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pr_capone
10-25-2012, 11:02 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/25/3885815/chiefs-fans-feel-ignored.html


The coupons caught Clark Hunt’s attention.

Jim Lakey was just creative and gutsy and fed-up enough to think they might. So after he wrote a letter to the Chiefs owner detailing a list of mistakes and slights on Kansas City, Jim took two days’ worth of newspaper coupons and stuffed them in the envelope to “help” the team sign more discounted free agents.

“However many were in The Star,” Jim says of the coupons. “Probably about 200 of them.”

Lakey is 66, a retired associate dean at UMKC. He lives in Kansas City and has cheered for the Chiefs for years. This isn’t the first letter he’s written. Clark’s father, Lamar, wrote Jim back a few times. Jim mentioned this in his words to Clark, essentially daring the younger Hunt to write back.

Jim didn’t expect an invitation to Clark’s office.

“I wondered if he just wanted to see who the nutcase is who sent all the coupons,” Jim says.

Jim sent me a copy of the letter, and described the meeting when I reached out.

Maybe you’re surprised that Clark Hunt invited a critical fan to his office. It doesn’t fit the narrative pushed by many in this town of an absentee owner who cares more about profits than football, but the story of the country’s most dysfunctional sports marriage is more complicated than a sound bite or oversimplified caricature.

The saddest part is that the Chiefs and their fans should be sharing unending bliss, not a vague, mutual distaste. This used to be a model partnership, one that made each side stronger.

The Chiefs once brought big-time sports to one of the NFL’s smallest markets, and their fans made the players, coaches and management-types rich and adored. This was peanut butter and jelly, fall and football, Christmas and children. One made the other better.

No team in the NFL had a better homefield advantage than the Chiefs in the 1990s. Arrowhead Stadium was, literally, a game-changer. Las Vegas sports books pushed their point spreads a little further. Opposing teams spent a little more time coordinating silent snap counts. Players talked of their heads ringing for days after games here, even if they never got hit that hard.

That’s all gone now, of course. The Chiefs have lost 28 of their last 40 home games. Only three of those 12 wins came against teams that finished with a winning record.

Three weeks ago, fans paid to fly a banner over Arrowhead before a home game. It called for general manager Scott Pioli to be fired. This weekend, they’ll do it again.

In three weeks, they’ll encourage fans to wear black to a game at Arrowhead — mourning the loss of their joy.

“The Chiefs are my longest-lasting relationship,” says Eric Grannell, a 32-year-old man from Wichita who’s organized what amounts to a fan revolt called Save Our Chiefs. “I’m having a public fight with my girlfriend, is what it feels like.”

This is the loudest and largest group of frustrated fans, and Grannell says “nobody with any authority has said anything to us.” They feel ignored, they feel taken advantage of, and they feel that they’ve been taken for granted.

The Chiefs seem to think Grannell’s group will be angry no matter what, and maybe that’s right. But the Chiefs haven’t tried to bridge the gap, and these are some of their most passionate fans.

The Chiefs are broken, and they don’t seem able or willing to fix themselves. Not right now, anyway.

Hunt, team president Mark Donovan and general manager Pioli know they have a problem. What’s not clear is how much of the problem they’re willing to own blame for, or how much of the problem they foolishly dismiss as false perception.

Pioli did a series of interviews last week but largely avoided direct responses to the questions fans most wanted answered. Hunt and Donovan each declined requests to talk for this column, and neither has talked publicly since the beginning of the season.

They are letting fan sentiment get away from them, or perhaps more accurately, they are now wearing the consequences of too much previous negligence. It’s normal for fans to be upset at a 1-5 team, but it’s extraordinary for fans to be upset enough to fly banners over the stadium and come to games dressed for a funeral. Some inside the Chiefs’ offices want to portray the Save Our Chiefs movement as a vocal minority, and maybe they’re right.

After all, how could you tell for sure?

“That’s a great question,” says David Carter, executive director of USC’s Sports Business Institute. “And maybe this is a weird answer, but I don’t know that you need to. If you run a team, or any business, you should be out in front about what your customers’ issues are. You shouldn’t have to wait to find out what’s driving them crazy.”

The Chiefs actually interact more with fans than popular narrative gives them credit for. Hunt and Donovan do some of this personally; Hunt spends at least a little time before each game talking with fans in the parking lot, and has invited some in for lunch during the week.

But what they’re doing is the equivalent of fighting rising waters with a colander. Actually, if you consider the previous neglect when it comes to large-scale fan interaction, they’re fighting rising waters with a colander after not paying for flood insurance.

Some inside the Chiefs’ offices think this is all blown out of proportion. They blame the 1-5 record, ignoring that losing only exposes issues that have been building for years. They point to letters from fans who are still supportive, but comfort taken in the relative few who refuse to acknowledge their problems is as counterproductive as worry over the relative few who refuse to see any positives.

The Chiefs do too much of both, which is a small but telling example of how they helped create this mess.

The Chiefs are run by smart people who care. The aggravating part is their lousy way of showing it to the masses.

Lakey, the coupon clipper, says he and his wife spent about two hours in Clark Hunt’s office. Lake had wanted the letter to be noticed, which is why he made a candy-wrapper joke, but he couldn’t be sure if he went too far by essentially mocking Hunt and talking of giving up season tickets for yardwork.

Jim didn’t think he’d be invited to Hunt’s office, and certainly didn’t think the owner would go through various draft classes, pick by pick, voicing disappointment in some and pride in others.

“He was very nice, very cordial,” Jim says.

Jim liked that Hunt listened, that he asked questions. Hunt treated Jim like he mattered, which is essentially what all fans want. Jim had his chance to criticize spending, personnel decisions and what he saw as a detached way of operating.

“I came out of there believing the guy cares,” Jim says. “I think he’s genuinely concerned that he has a perception problem. I think he understands this.”

Jim is one man. The problem is that Hunt and the Chiefs aren’t doing nearly enough for the thousands of others with legitimate frustrations. They haven’t for years.

The irony of Jim’s story is that the Chiefs obviously know how to get their message across. They just aren’t doing it on a scale worthy of an NFL franchise, and the result is hurting both sides, team and fan, whose formerly strong bond is now infected with mistrust.

pr_capone
10-25-2012, 11:03 PM
TW beat me there

cabletech94
10-25-2012, 11:09 PM
TW beat me there

in this case, totally cool, man!:clap:

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-25-2012, 11:10 PM
Maybe once Clark feels ignored he'll feel the fans pain.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:11 PM
The Chiefs once brought big-time sports to one of the NFL’s smallest markets, and their fans made the players, coaches and management-types rich and adored. This was peanut butter and jelly, fall and football, Christmas and children. One made the other better.



http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/2065109_o.gif

notorious
10-25-2012, 11:13 PM
Go out and kiss babies in public, Clark. It's not going to change a ****ing thing.



GM, QB. That is what it is going to take to un**** this situation.

Ace Gunner
10-25-2012, 11:14 PM
snore

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-25-2012, 11:14 PM
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/2065109_o.gif

I can't speak for everyone but I know I'd take you more seriously if you spoke from the heart more and posted gifs less.

BossChief
10-25-2012, 11:14 PM
I miss the enjoyment I used to get from watching the Chiefs.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:15 PM
I can't speak for everyone but I know I'd take you more seriously if you spoke from the heart more and posted gifs less.

That GIF is my heart after reading that passage.

tk13
10-25-2012, 11:17 PM
They're right, winning will fix this. So go do it.

RunKC
10-25-2012, 11:18 PM
We'll find out how much Clark really cares about us on December 31st

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-25-2012, 11:19 PM
That GIF is my heart after reading that passage.

I just find actual words more meaningful. Might be just me. I have no doubt about your passion. Just seems to me that you're more about show than substance a lot of the time.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:19 PM
We'll find out how much Clark really cares about us on December 31st

Dec. 31st is my birthday.

It's destiny.

HemiEd
10-25-2012, 11:21 PM
I feel all warm now

SPchief
10-25-2012, 11:26 PM
Clark is in on damage controll now. Pioli is as good as gone

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:29 PM
"The Chiefs seem to think Grannell’s group will be angry no matter what, and maybe that’s right."

This bothers me. It dovetails with the idea that the banner flyers are merely a loud minority.

That idea has to be squashed. And pronto. If the Chiefs can sell themselves and the media that SaveOurChiefs is merely a small cadre of overly dramatic, rude, attention-seekers (likely the same ones who cheered Cassel's injury, etc.), that will go a long way in stalling the movement. We need some kind of response that makes it clear SOC is a majority. A couple thousand letters from the twat followers ought to do it.

FAX

jspchief
10-25-2012, 11:29 PM
I miss the enjoyment I used to get from watching the Chiefs.Yep. It pisses me off that I spend 8 months anticipating the season, and I end up disinterested after 4 weeks because the team gives me so little to cheer about. I hate that it's Raider week and no one cares.

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:30 PM
Somebody needs to dress up like the "Anonymous" dude and mobilize a letter-writing campaign to both Mellinger and Clark.

FAX

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:31 PM
Clark is in on damage controll now. Pioli is as good as gone

:hmmm:

If Clark is putting out stories trying to get fans to feel good about him....maybe....maybe......

pr_capone
10-25-2012, 11:32 PM
Somebody needs to dress up like the "Anonymous" dude and mobilize a letter-writing campaign to both Mellinger and Clark.

FAX

Guy Fawkes

Tribal Warfare
10-25-2012, 11:33 PM
We need to burn this fucker down.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:33 PM
"The Chiefs seem to think Grannell’s group will be angry no matter what, and maybe that’s right."


We've been angry since Vermeil left.

And justifiably so.

Fucking trainwreck.

If the Chiefs were smart, and put a winning, kickass product on the field, "Grannell's Group" would be down on both knees servicing the franchise.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:34 PM
Guy Fawkes

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/292869_463355327020717_475763555_n.jpg

Tribal Warfare
10-25-2012, 11:35 PM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/292869_463355327020717_475763555_n.jpg

November is coming

BossChief
10-25-2012, 11:35 PM
Yep. It pisses me off that I spend 8 months anticipating the season, and I end up disinterested after 4 weeks because the team gives me so little to cheer about. I hate that it's Raider week and no one cares.

It sure does suck.

I used to get pumped when the Raiders were coming to town. It was like football Christmas or something...now, I actually HOPE they lose.

Matt Cassel and Pioli have been the worst thing to ever happen to my fanhood.

Ace Gunner
10-25-2012, 11:36 PM
We'll find out how much Clark really cares about us on December 31st

I'm hoping/expecting to find out sooner. If this fuckstick is going to continue protecting Pioli from the meanies, I'm done with the Chiefs. I'll stick with my home town team and leave this in the dust. I've always liked rooting for the underdog, the Chiefs hit my radar first when they upset the Vikes. I followed them a bit when Marv Levy came in, liked the direction of the team and liked Marty and his time, but I never really became a full fledged fan until I took an assignment in KC a few years ago, '07. I moved on to LA and kept following them, but this is just becoming empty for me. Clark does not know what he's doing. His passion for sports is translating to the field -- this team is passionless. He'll need to prove me wrong here or I'm done.

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:36 PM
Clark is in on damage controll now. Pioli is as good as gone

Man ... I didn't get any kind of feel good from that article. Just the opposite.

It reveals the Chiefs' spin on this deal pretty clearly and it isn't good. It's smart, but it isn't good. They want to traduce SaveOurChiefs, re-cast the movement, and change the topic from the Chiefs' failures to a mob's incoherent ravings.

FAX

SNR
10-25-2012, 11:38 PM
I can't speak for everyone but I know I'd take you more seriously if you spoke from the heart more and posted gifs less.

If a picture is worth 1000 words, then a gif is worth 1000n words, where n = the number of frames in the gif.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:39 PM
If Clark is going through draft choices one-by-one, as the article mentions, Pioli is a goner.

There has been no bigger draft failure in the past four years than Scott Pioli.

His drafts make Carl Peterson Pro Football Hall of Fame worthy, where Hall of Fame where statues of Jack Steadman and Jim Schaaf greet each person as they enter.

Pioli is a fucking disaster of epic proportion and anyone that has a differing opinion should be physically or chemically castrated.

Or both.

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:40 PM
Perception vs. reality. The Chiefs are changing the story line. It doesn't matter if fans have been angry since Mr. Bob Dole lost his virginity. What matters is that they paint SOC as a basement clubhouse of drunken, half-witted, raving lunatics.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:41 PM
Perception vs. reality. The Chiefs are changing the story line. It doesn't matter if fans have been angry since Mr. Bob Dole lost his virginity. What matters is that they paint SOC as a basement clubhouse of drunken, half-witted, raving lunatics.

FAX

Which, coincidentally, is exactly where Mr. Bob Dole lost his virginity.

jspchief
10-25-2012, 11:42 PM
We've been angry since Vermeil left....
Yes and no.

I think a lot of fans were (relatively) patient with the post Vermeil era. It was a very old team that had to be torn down and rebuilt. And while fans weren't happy with the losses or Herm's coaching, I think a lot of them recognized that it was a team that was devoid of talent due to that demolition job.

The problem now is they tore it down and built the foundation, and now all the bricks and lumber are lying around rotting while the general contractor trips over his own dick.

I don't consider the current state of fan anger to be the same as it was 6 years ago, nor is it totally just a larger version of the snowball. People know that this team is capable of much better, and the front office is not only holding them down, they are flipping off the fans in the process.

notorious
10-25-2012, 11:42 PM
SOC as a basement clubhouse of drunken, half-witted, raving lunatics.

FAX



Uh-oh. You might be onto something.

BossChief
10-25-2012, 11:42 PM
There has been no bigger draft failure in the past four years than Scott Pioli.


This, I totally disagree with.

Sorry.

I think this team has a whole lot of talent that is being wasted because Pioli has been unable to sign a good quarterback or coach.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:43 PM
Yes and no.

I think a lot of fans were (relatively) patient with the post Vermeil era. It was a very old team that had to be torn down and rebuilt. And while fans weren't happy with the losses or Herm's coaching, I think a lot of them recognized that it was a team that was devoid of talent due to that demolition job.

The problem now is they tore it down and built the foundation, and now all the bricks and lumber are lying around rotting while the general contractor trips over his own dick.

I don't consider the current state of fan anger to be the same as it was 6 years ago, nor is it totally just a larger version of the snowball. People know that this team is capable of much better, and the front office is not only holding them down, they are flipping off the fans in the process.

Personally, I hated the Vermeil hire and his tenure. It set the franchise back five years.

Eight, if you count the "continuation" that Herm brought.

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:44 PM
If Clark is going through draft choices one-by-one, as the article mentions, Pioli is a goner.


This is immediately what I thought, too.

Especially if he's taking fans into his office and essentially talking shit on the GM by criticizing draft picks.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:44 PM
This, I totally disagree with.

Sorry.

How so?

As I said on draft day 2009, Tyson Jackson was the WORST pick in franchise history.

The entire 2009 draft was a fucking disaster of epic proportions that set back this franchise for four years, at least.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-25-2012, 11:44 PM
If a picture is worth 1000 words, then a gif is worth 1000n words, where n = the number of frames in the gif.

Still doesn't work for me. If you have something to say then say it. I don't doubt Claytons passion, as I said. GIF's just feel like cheap cop out to me. Like not trying.

Doesn't matter anyway.

Phobia
10-25-2012, 11:44 PM
They have another surprise coming. Jerks.

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:45 PM
I think this team has a whole lot of talent that is being wasted because Pioli has been unable to sign a good quarterback or coach.

Who? Who on this fucking team that Pioli drafted SHOULD be performing at a higher level that isn't?

Half the motherfucking draft picks are GONE and the other half, outside of Justin Houston and maybe Berry, were overdrafted and/or suck ass.

Dr. Facebook Fever
10-25-2012, 11:47 PM
Personally, I hated the Vermeil hire and his tenure. It set the franchise back five years.

Eight, if you count the "continuation" that Herm brought.

You and I don't agree on much but we do on this. Vermeil was a complete joke. Yeah nice offense. Too bad you need a defense too. I hate Vermeil.

SNR
10-25-2012, 11:49 PM
Who? Who on this fucking team that Pioli drafted SHOULD be performing at a higher level that isn't?

Half the motherfucking draft picks are GONE and the other half, outside of Justin Houston and maybe Berry, were overdrafted and/or suck ass.
Baldwin and Breaston could be doing a HELL of a lot more with a remotely good QB and a competent coach.

And... yeah, that's all I got. I guess Charles, the run game, and all the offensive line guys that Pioli has brought in would greatly benefit from the QB change as well.

BossChief
10-25-2012, 11:49 PM
How so?

As I said on draft day 2009, Tyson Jackson was the WORST pick in franchise history.

The entire 2009 draft was a fucking disaster of epic proportions that set back this franchise for four years, at least.I dont disagree with a word of this post. In fact I totally agree with it. The only good pick from that draft was a kicker taken with a comp pick (I know, I know Barth is better and I agree, but Succop is a good kicker).

Funny that Belcher is probably the best player from that offseason and he didn't get here until Phil Emery was brought in and wanted him, not Pioli.

My disagreement is with the draft classes after the 2009 dumpster fire.

2010 and 2011 were damn good draft classes and 2012 was above average.



If you would like me to continue, should I use my words, or yours?

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:52 PM
I dont disagree with a word of this post. In fact I totally agree with it. The only good picks from that draft were a kicker taken with a comp pick (I know, I know Barth is better and I agree, but Succop is a good kicker).

Funny that Belcher is probably the best player from that offseason and he didn't get here until Phil Emery was brought in and wanted him, not Pioli.

My disagreement is with the draft classes after the 2009 dumpster fire.

2010 and 2011 were damn good draft classes and 2012 was above average.



If you would like me to continue, should I use my words, or yours?

My quotes in 2010 are irrelevant because whatever hope I had has dissipated due to their individual and collective performances (I wasn't around for the 2011 draft).

See, Pioli is paid $5 million a year to know more that I do. Although more often than not, he knows less.

He's a disaster.

cdcox
10-25-2012, 11:52 PM
Clark doesn't get it. It's the notion that Matt Cassel was an acceptable QB and the notion that RAC was an acceptable HC. If you screw these up this bad, you don't get a free pass on some draft picks that didn't work out as well as you had hoped.

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:52 PM
I hate to see the movement set back ... and of all things, due to a blatant misrepresentation of the facts. It's pretty smart, though. They will effectively mitigate SOC simply be re-defining it. Good politics.

FAX

Count Alex's Losses
10-25-2012, 11:52 PM
2010 was a great draft. Berry, McCluster, Moeaki and Arenas are fucking studs for sure.

Loved the 2011 draft with Baldwin and Bailey as 2 of the first 4 picks. Dominating game changers.

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:53 PM
Ah well ... let's puff out our chests and make monkey sounds. Then, maybe things will look better in the morning.

ROFL

FAX

DaneMcCloud
10-25-2012, 11:54 PM
2010 was a great draft. Berry, McCluster, Moeaki and Arenas are fucking studs for sure.

Loved the 2011 draft with Baldwin and Bailey as 2 of the first 3 picks. Dominating game changers.

If you were to pull up the 2010 draft day thread, I was advocating Sean Lee, Daryl Washington and others in the second round.

Later that day, I was attempting to be optimistic about the draft class but any optimism (much like my optimism heading into 2012) was quickly dispelled due to the product on the field.

chiefzilla1501
10-25-2012, 11:55 PM
I don't think Clark's a bad guy. Maybe not active as we'd like, but I don't think this story is necessarily surprising.

Here's what's funny. Clark Hunt is the boss. After the fans got ripped in public, Clark Hunt stood up for the fans. Pioli didn't say shit.

When Kent Babb did an expose` on Arrowhead Anxiety, Clark agreed to the interview. Pioli refused. And Pioli refused interviews afterward too.

It almost seems like Clark is distant enough to not even realize what Pioli is doing and who he's pissing off. What also bothers me is missed opportunities. This guy probably sounded off on Clark for being cheap. When he should have been sounding off on the expensive GM who isn't doing shit.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-25-2012, 11:58 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about the signs we're gonna be seeing at the game on Sunday LMAO

FAX
10-25-2012, 11:59 PM
I don't think Clark's a bad guy. Maybe not active as we'd like, but I don't think this story is necessarily surprising.

Here's what's funny. Clark Hunt is the boss. After the fans got ripped in public, Clark Hunt stood up for the fans. Pioli didn't say shit.

When Kent Babb did an expose` on Arrowhead Anxiety, Clark agreed to the interview. Pioli refused. And Pioli refused interviews afterward too.

It almost seems like Clark is distant enough to not even realize what Pioli is doing and who he's pissing off. What also bothers me is missed opportunities. This guy probably sounded off on Clark for being cheap. When he should have been sounding off on the expensive GM who isn't doing shit.

The Yep Machine just pounded out 32 pre-fab Yeps.

What it sounds like is Mellinger (who used to be Babb-esque in his support of our cause) is echoing the story-line the Chiefs have fed him. That's bad enough, but their counter-attack is well-conceived and could be very effective at reducing our number and reinforcing the already-existing notion that we're "bad fans".

I'm going to go outside and fart real loud now.

FAX

Tribal Warfare
10-26-2012, 12:04 AM
The Yep Machine just pounded out 32 pre-fab Yeps.

What it sounds like is Mellinger (who used to be Babb-esque in his support of our cause) is echoing the story-line the Chiefs have fed him. That's bad enough, but their counter-attack is well-conceived and could be very effective at reducing our number and reinforcing the already-existing notion that we're "bad fans".

I'm going to go outside and fart real loud now.

FAX

We hit them up with facts of their failure , and see how the franchise and the fan base reacts. If they just give you're not "true fans" then give them the evidence of not providing an entertaining product which is why we and many others are angry.

DaWolf
10-26-2012, 12:19 AM
We've been angry since Vermeil left.


No, this franchise became a joke the day Gunther was hired as HC. It lost all credibility the day that Carl forced Vermeil to hire Gunther as his DC. It sunk in the toilet when we gave away DRAFT PICKS for HERM FREAKING EDWARDS.

The Vermeil era was a travesty. The decline started once Gunther took over but Vermeil just turned this into a soft, finesse team who couldn't stop anyone on defense, and this team has never stopped being soft, going from the spinner defense to the Dumbther defense to Cover 2 to this wussy 3-4 scheme we play now with all the worthless sub packages...

FAX
10-26-2012, 12:36 AM
We hit them up with facts of their failure , and see how the franchise and the fan base reacts. If they just give you're not "true fans" then give them the evidence of not providing an entertaining product which is why we and many others are angry.

I understand that, Mr. Tribal Warfare. I've been disseminating ugly, damning, Pioli factoids on that tweeter place as if I were some kind of Tourette's-aflicted, town crier.

I just can't help noticing the change in Mellinger's tone and the contextual cynosure he's chosen. For example, instead of focusing on the fact that WE HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE LEAD IN A SINGLE GAME ALL SEASON LONG, he's relating the Chiefs' rhetoric that SaveOurChiefs and the Banner Folk are nothing more than a few, isolated, loud-mouthed imbeciles who never saw a tittah they didn't hate.

If I were running this campaign, I would be formulating a counter-attack to deal with that misrepresentation that could be implemented by sun-up.

But, I've drop-kicked this poor nag enough for one thread, so I'll give it a rest.

FAX

RunKC
10-26-2012, 12:42 AM
As much as we bag on Pioli I will give him credit for one thing. He's done a great job with the OL.

Asamoah has played well most of the time, Lilja had a good year in 2009 and looks like an above average C so far this year and Hudson is gonna be a stud. He just needs experience. Oh and Winston has been above average.

I loved the Hudson and Allen picks. Multi-year starters who were very proven guys coming out of college. I think the OL is set up for the future.

Tribal Warfare
10-26-2012, 12:47 AM
If I were running this campaign, I would be formulating a counter-attack to deal with that misrepresentation that could be implemented by sun-up.

But, I've drop-kicked this poor nag enough for one thread, so I'll give it a rest.

FAX

I concur with the counter attack, we'll need a global voice and a viral campaign which would involve a YouTube channel and a Q & A with Mellinger.

mdchiefsfan
10-26-2012, 05:24 AM
I hate to see the movement set back ... and of all things, due to a blatant misrepresentation of the facts. It's pretty smart, though. They will effectively mitigate SOC simply be re-defining it. Good politics.

FAX

Hopefully the majority wear black on the 18th, if they don't, we've proven their point.

Guru
10-26-2012, 06:37 AM
Hopefully the majority wear black on the 18th, if they don't, we've proven their point.

Yeah, I am really hoping that doesn't backfire. I'll be wearing my black chiefs jacket to that game.

AussieChiefsFan
10-26-2012, 06:37 AM
Say it does backfire. What then?

Dave Lane
10-26-2012, 06:53 AM
Yes and no.

I think a lot of fans were (relatively) patient with the post Vermeil era. It was a very old team that had to be torn down and rebuilt. And while fans weren't happy with the losses or Herm's coaching, I think a lot of them recognized that it was a team that was devoid of talent due to that demolition job.

The problem now is they tore it down and built the foundation, and now all the bricks and lumber are lying around rotting while the general contractor trips over his own dick.


This is so off base as to be ludicrous.

Guru
10-26-2012, 06:58 AM
Say it does backfire. What then?

We've proven their point. heh

Der Flöprer
10-26-2012, 07:00 AM
This is so off base as to be ludicrous.

I agree. Had Herm and Carl gotten another year, then I would be more inclined to agree with him. As it was, they were ran out of town with pitchforks. I won't even bump the Carl is fired thread for proof. Everyone should remember.

Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team? Would we have drafted that 1st round QB? If they had 1 more year, do you think they would've been successful? What would be different about this team, and who would be running it if Clark had given them just one more year?

Those questions are for everyone, not just Dave. I'm just curious. I'm trying to get my finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans. ;)

AussieChiefsFan
10-26-2012, 07:02 AM
I agree. Had Herm and Carl gotten another year, then I would be more inclined to agree with him. As it was, they were ran out of town with pitchforks. I won't even bump the Carl is fired thread for proof. Everyone should remember.

Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team? Would we have drafted that 1st round QB? If they had 1 more year, do you think they would've been successful? What would be different about this team, and who would be running it if Clark had given them just one more year?

Those questions are for everyone, not just Dave. I'm just curious. I'm trying to get my finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans. ;)

:hmmm:

Marcellus
10-26-2012, 07:05 AM
- "They blame the 1-5 record, ignoring that losing only exposes issues that have been building for years."

Did he just forget the rest of the sentence? What do they blame the 1-5 start on?

King_Chief_Fan
10-26-2012, 07:10 AM
I agree. Had Herm and Carl gotten another year, then I would be more inclined to agree with him. As it was, they were ran out of town with pitchforks. I won't even bump the Carl is fired thread for proof. Everyone should remember.

Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team? Would we have drafted that 1st round QB? If they had 1 more year, do you think they would've been successful? What would be different about this team, and who would be running it if Clark had given them just one more year?

Those questions are for everyone, not just Dave. I'm just curious. I'm trying to get my finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans. ;)

NO, don't think they should have had 1 more year. Carl had 20 for his 5 year plan. That was plenty. Herm was a joke to begin with and he wasn't going to get any better. Do you see Herm coaching any where....Is Carl a GM any where?

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 07:10 AM
The Blackout event will be when the SOC movement shows its cards. If the turnout is a paltry one, then Hunt and company will effectively win the war; the churlish banner-fliers will be "proven" to be nothing more than a "few" angry fans...

However, if the stadium is truly blacked out...change be a coming because the SOC movement will be in full throat.

P.S.: Fuck Pioli.

King_Chief_Fan
10-26-2012, 07:11 AM
The Blackout event will be when the SOC movement shows its cards. If the turnout is a paltry one, then Hunt and company will effectively win the war; the churlish banner-fliers will be "proven" to be nothing more than a "few" angry fans...

However, if the stadium is truly blacked out...change be a coming because the SOC movement will be in full throat.

P.S.: **** Pioli.

Deez- what is your guess that will happen? I am not close enough to the noise to have an opinion.

Guru
10-26-2012, 07:12 AM
Of course, it is going to be hard to black out arrowhead will all those empty seats. LMAO

AussieChiefsFan
10-26-2012, 07:13 AM
LMAOOf course, it is going to be hard to black out arrowhead will all those empty seats. LMAO

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 07:13 AM
Deez- what is your guess that will happen? I am not close enough to the noise to have an opinion.

For the Blackout to be a success, the media is going to have to champion it, too. 810, for example, is going to need to come into the fold. Perhaps The Star.

Just a guess: I don't believe the SOC sites are pervasive enough to carry the day. I might be very wrong about this, though.

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 07:15 AM
Of course, it is going to be hard to black out arrowhead will all those empty seats. LMAO

And, in all seriousness, this might be great for the cause. Trash bag those fucking seats. Now, visually speaking, the movement grows in number, and SOC is trying to make a visual splash.

King_Chief_Fan
10-26-2012, 07:17 AM
For the Blackout to be a success, the media is going to have to champion it, too. 810, for example, is going to need to come into the fold. Perhaps The Star.

Just a guess: I don't believe the SOC sites are pervasive enough to carry the day. I might be very wrong about this, though.

Again, not close enough to have a feel, but my gut tells me your guess is correct. They havn't demonstrated that 70k people are riled up. Just a few hundred. But I admire the attempt.

Der Flöprer
10-26-2012, 07:17 AM
For the Blackout to be a success, the media is going to have to champion it, too. 810, for example, is going to need to come into the fold. Perhaps The Star.

Just a guess: I don't believe the SOC sites are pervasive enough to carry the day. I might be very wrong about this, though.

I agree. We need this to become a focal point in the media for it to be a true success. I think if we get some preorder numbers from Sports Nutz, it will give us a good idea of where we're going to need to be in terms of rallying the troops if you will. I'm hoping they're already rallied, but I just don't know...

wazu
10-26-2012, 07:28 AM
Go out and kiss babies in public, Clark. It's not going to change a ****ing thing.

GM, QB. That is what it is going to take to un**** this situation.

This. I'm not interested in PR campaigns.

Der Flöprer
10-26-2012, 07:29 AM
NO, don't think they should have had 1 more year. Carl had 20 for his 5 year plan. That was plenty. Herm was a joke to begin with and he wasn't going to get any better. Do you see Herm coaching any where....Is Carl a GM any where?

I understand the sentiment, and agree it was Carl's time for departure. I will say this though. Hindsight being 50/50, that draft class was great. What would Dorsey have done in a 4-3? If we had drafted the right franchise QB, where would we be? It certainly wouldn't be any worse than this. Couldn't be. I dunno, doesn't really matter. What's done is done.

CoMoChief
10-26-2012, 07:41 AM
Mark me down as still don't give a shit.

The Hunts are businessmen.....all they care about is $$$$

O.city
10-26-2012, 07:54 AM
The city of Kansas City wants to go crazy over a sports team. If the front office would just get out of its own way and put a consistent winner on the field, this town would go nuts. KC is absolutely a sports fanatic town.


I believe if the chiefs were good, arrowhead would be as good as it once was.

Marcellus
10-26-2012, 08:01 AM
Mark me down as still don't give a shit.

The Hunts are businessmen.....all they care about is $$$$

You do realize that the NFL is a business right? It is a huge, very lucrative business involving more $$ than the GNP of many countries.

So yea.

It is possible to be about the $ and still build a winner. I don't for a minute believe Clark likes the losing.

Some of you guys crack me up. I don't know what its like to have a billion $ but I know this, I am pretty sure that all these guys including Clark are competitive and don't like looking bad in front of their peers or to the media.

Do you like looking like a fool at your job?

mdchiefsfan
10-26-2012, 08:02 AM
I agree. We need this to become a focal point in the media for it to be a true success. I think if we get some preorder numbers from Sports Nutz, it will give us a good idea of where we're going to need to be in terms of rallying the troops if you will. I'm hoping they're already rallied, but I just don't know...

That would be a good way to know how much support we are drawing in. Are you guy's getting info back from them as far as orders go?

Woodchuck
10-26-2012, 08:19 AM
Good read. I have always thought he cared. I mean the dude was one of the major players in the cba negociations, he remodeled the stadium, and signed a lease through like 2022 or something right? He's done quite a bit since he got the job and he is trying to carry his father's torch.

He wants to win. I am sure of that. I just think he's in over his head and is being manipulated by Pioli. He needs a football advisor who won't bullshit him.

Dan Reeves did it for Houston's owner. Parcell's did it in Miami. He needs someone he can trust. I've said it before but, I would love to see Marty in this role. Marty won't bullshit him and he cares about the success of KC.

DaWolf
10-26-2012, 08:53 AM
I agree. Had Herm and Carl gotten another year, then I would be more inclined to agree with him. As it was, they were ran out of town with pitchforks. I won't even bump the Carl is fired thread for proof. Everyone should remember.

Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team? Would we have drafted that 1st round QB? If they had 1 more year, do you think they would've been successful? What would be different about this team, and who would be running it if Clark had given them just one more year?

Those questions are for everyone, not just Dave. I'm just curious. I'm trying to get my finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans. ;)


HELL no. Bag on Pioli all you want, he deserves it, but Carl had TWENTY years to draft a QB and never did. He passed on more QB opportunities and more chances to draft one in the first round or opportunities to trade up and get one than Pioli has. He wasted first day picks on people like Blundin. He drafted Croyle and thought this guy was capable. He let what became an NFL MVP QB walk away in favor of Grbac. His lack of ability to find a QB wasted the great defense we had in the mid 90s. So I repeat, HELL no...

gblowfish
10-26-2012, 09:31 AM
CHunt was just excited to learn that newspapers have money saving coupons in them.

RippedmyFlesh
10-26-2012, 09:47 AM
CHunt was just excited to learn that newspapers have money saving coupons in them.
You were not ignored by the previous coaching staff.:evil:

Count Alex's Losses
10-26-2012, 10:09 AM
Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team?

Dude, that regime was ready to roll with Tyler Thigpen as the starting QB.

It would have been a disaster that reached the lofty heights of mediocrity at best.

Don't forget the defense was trash in 08. It's questionable whether they could have fixed it.

We made the right move firing those guys. Thanks for the draft class, but GTFO. That's only about 25 percent of your job.

kaplin42
10-26-2012, 10:22 AM
Let us be honest here, the team is a disaster. All though it is some hyperbole, it seems that not one fcku has been given in order to truly fix this team in years. NOT ONE!

There has been some appeasement FA signings, and some potential drafts that could have turned out really well. But since T. Green went down, has the team made a single effort to get a real QB here?

D. Huard
T. Thigpen
B. Croyle
M. Cassel
T. Palko
R. Stanzi
B. Quinn

You tell me if you look at that list of QB talent and don't picture Clark walking up to your morning bowl of cheerios and taking a big fat dumper in them.

This pic is on theChive this morning. And I thought it was relevant.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w461/ZombieClownZ/Stuff%20n%20Things/BadDecisions.jpg

RippedmyFlesh
10-26-2012, 10:24 AM
Dude, that regime was ready to roll with Tyler Thigpen as the starting QB.

It would have been a disaster that reached the lofty heights of mediocrity at best.

Don't forget the defense was trash in 08. It's questionable whether they could have fixed it.

We made the right move firing those guys. Thanks for the draft class, but GTFO. That's only about 25 percent of your job.

Yep as bad as the Chiefs are today herm's teams were tougher to watch.

Detoxing
10-26-2012, 10:38 AM
You do realize that the NFL is a business right? It is a huge, very lucrative business involving more $$ than the GNP of many countries.

So yea.

It is possible to be about the $ and still build a winner. I don't for a minute believe Clark likes the losing.

Some of you guys crack me up. I don't know what its like to have a billion $ but I know this, I am pretty sure that all these guys including Clark are competitive and don't like looking bad in front of their peers or to the media.

Do you like looking like a fool at your job?

This.

Clark wants to win. He hired the best GM available at the time, spent 63 Million on the QB his GM told him was the best option. He has MLS championships and you guys think he doesn't want to hoist the trophy with HIS FATHER'S name on it?

I don't buy it for one second. I think he wants to win. No one wants to look this bad. He just needs to hire the right men to get the job done.

Remember, Pioli was his first and only hire. Lets see what he does after the season before we crucify him.

Micjones
10-26-2012, 10:40 AM
This.

Clark wants to win. He hired the best GM available at the time, spent 63 Million on the QB his GM told him was the best option. He has MLS championships and you guys think he doesn't want to hoist the trophy with HIS FATHER'S name on it?

I don't buy it for one second. I think he wants to win. No one wants to look this bad. He just needs to hire the right men to get the job done.

Remember, Pioli was his first and only hire. Lets see what he does after the season before we crucify him.

More knee-jerk por favor.
This is far too reasonable for this forum.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 10:49 AM
Man ... I didn't get any kind of feel good from that article. Just the opposite.

It reveals the Chiefs' spin on this deal pretty clearly and it isn't good. It's smart, but it isn't good. They want to traduce SaveOurChiefs, re-cast the movement, and change the topic from the Chiefs' failures to a mob's incoherent ravings.

FAX

I agree.

Folks - Pioli has at least 2 more years here. The organization is still putting forward "Clark and Pioli" as though they're a pair.

If Clark were trying to distance himself, it would be much more obvious.

Pioli's going to get a 2nd chance at drafting a quarterback. Unfortunately, I don't even think he's going to be forced to fire Crennel.

All I took from this article is that Clark would be a hell of a car salesman.

Count Alex's Losses
10-26-2012, 10:52 AM
Folks - Pioli has at least 2 more years here. The organization is still putting forward "Clark and Pioli" as though they're a pair.


Are they?

How?

Have they done any joint press conferences?

Clark Hunt released his pro-fan statement ALONE.

Dave Lane
10-26-2012, 10:53 AM
And, in all seriousness, this might be great for the cause. Trash bag those ****ing seats. Now, visually speaking, the movement grows in number, and SOC is trying to make a visual splash.

This times 10 million!!

Dave Lane
10-26-2012, 10:56 AM
He just needs to fire the men that can't get the job done.

Remember, Pioli was his first and only hire. Lets see what he does after the season before we crucify him.

FYP

ChiefMojo
10-26-2012, 11:01 AM
I admit there are time I feel for Clark. He means well and in his eyes he is trying. Frankly he just hasn't learned how to do things right yet in running the Chiefs like his father. The main difference I see between Clark and Lamar is the fact Lamar MADE the Chiefs Kingdom a part of his franchise. Even if he didn't live here, he brought in people that tried to connect the franchise to the fan base/city/region.

All Clark has done by bringing in Pioli is tear down all the advantages the Chiefs Kingdom had. The franchise is so secretive and disconnect with the fans and city now. There use to be a sense of pride amongst the fan base and what the Chiefs stood for. It was a great marriage even without the playoff wins. The Chiefs may be a small market team but they had high merchandise sales and the Arrowhead was always filled and loud. Now sales are drastically down and Arrowhead is a morgue now.

We need to bring in a GM that is visible and makes the Chiefs fan base feel wanted and a part of the team. Carl did some things wrong but he didn't get the nickname King Carl for nothing. I've rode his a** hard for years but as time has gone by I've missed certain aspects of his leadership. He was a very open GM to the fan base.

Now we have a idiot GM that runs the franchise as the Mafia. Everything is cloaked in secrecy and if one does wrong they banish you from the Kingdom. Pioli's mistakes can't be challenged or your labelled as Chiefs hater. In reality those yelling at you Pioli are the ones that care enough to show their displeasure to you. We want a happy, energetic franchise that wins f**king ballgames!!!!!!!

okoye35chiefs
10-26-2012, 11:03 AM
anyone watch Eddie DeBartolo 'A Football Life': TV Special Highlights NFL's Greatest Owner... that guy knew how to win and motivate his team.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 11:06 AM
Are they?

How?

Have they done any joint press conferences?

Clark Hunt released his pro-fan statement ALONE.

Again, read the article.

The access that Mellinger was given, the message that was sent by 'those within the organization', it all points to a franchise that is still committed to Scott Pioli.

If the chiefs win 4 games or more, he stays. 3 or fewer and I think he has to be let go (it's just what you do).

Detoxing
10-26-2012, 11:18 AM
If the chiefs win 4 games or more, he stays. 3 or fewer and I think he has to be let go (it's just what you do).

I honestly think Pioli is going to keep his job /ducks for cover.

G.M's always have two scapegoats. The coach and the QB.

He used up his coach last season and he used his QB card this season. He will be allowed to draft a QB, and if that QB Gabbert's it up, Pioli is gone. If that QB shows promise, then Pioli will be extended.

That's me reading the future at least.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 11:23 AM
I honestly think Pioli is going to keep his job /ducks for cover.

G.M's always have two scapegoats. The coach and the QB.

He used up his coach last season and he used his QB card this season. He will be allowed to draft a QB, and if that QB Gabbert's it up, Pioli is gone. If that QB shows promise, then Pioli will be extended.

That's me reading the future at least.

Nah.

If we go 3-13, even Clark will have to fire him.

The list of GM's that have survived 3-13 seasons, if there is one, can't be more than 3 or 4 guys long. And I'm pretty sure none of them fired their 2nd coach in 2 years or had 2 other dog-ass seasons on their resume.

If he goes 3-13 and keeps his job, there's simply no hope for the franchise.

He won't. If the Chiefs continue to suck this badly, there will be no hiding from the backlash.

Count Alex's Losses
10-26-2012, 11:26 AM
4-12 or 5-11 should be enough, IMO.

If you're 4-12 your first season, and 5-11 or worse your 4th season, HTF do you keep your job?

Strongside
10-26-2012, 11:27 AM
In other news, the Chiefs announced Friday that they will be taking the place of Sporting KC in the Plaza lighting ceremony this year and that the teams quarterbacks will have the honor of flipping the switch. Per a source, the three quarterbacks, Quinn, Stanzi and Cassel will take turns throwing a ball from a distance of ten yards and trying to hit the button that will light up the Plaza and signal the beginning of the Christmas season. This will add an element of suspense and drama to the ceremony, since each quarterback will probably have to make several attempts before hitting the target. Spectators are encouraged to bring lawn chairs, a blanket and enough food to last at least two days in preparation for what is sure to be a lengthy process.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 11:29 AM
4-12 or 5-11 should be enough, IMO.

If you're 4-12 your first season, and 5-11 or worse your 4th season, HTF do you keep your job?

Of course it should. Hell, I'd be comfortable firing him if he can't go 10-6 in this shithole division.

But it won't. If he wins 4, then 3 of them came after the QB change, suggesting 'progress' and Clark will keep him around.

He shouldn't, but he will.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 11:40 AM
Go out and kiss babies in public, Clark. It's not going to change a ****ing thing.



GM, QB. That is what it is going to take to un**** this situation.

Hammer meet Nail.

mdchiefsfan
10-26-2012, 11:41 AM
If he wins 4, then 3 of them came after the QB change, suggesting 'progress' and Clark will keep him around.

He shouldn't, but he will.

wouldn't be shocked

vailpass
10-26-2012, 12:52 PM
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/2065109_o.gif

LMAO good one Draven.

Marcellus
10-26-2012, 01:47 PM
Nah.

If we go 3-13, even Clark will have to fire him.

The list of GM's that have survived 3-13 seasons, if there is one, can't be more than 3 or 4 guys long. And I'm pretty sure none of them fired their 2nd coach in 2 years or had 2 other dog-ass seasons on their resume.

If he goes 3-13 and keeps his job, there's simply no hope for the franchise.

He won't. If the Chiefs continue to suck this badly, there will be no hiding from the backlash.

I agree.

Folks - Pioli has at least 2 more years here. The organization is still putting forward "Clark and Pioli" as though they're a pair.

If Clark were trying to distance himself, it would be much more obvious.

Pioli's going to get a 2nd chance at drafting a quarterback. Unfortunately, I don't even think he's going to be forced to fire Crennel.

All I took from this article is that Clark would be a hell of a car salesman.

:hmmm:

FAX
10-26-2012, 02:38 PM
It's sometimes and strangely funny watching from afar as some people talk themselves into believing an absolute mythology.

If Clark so desired, he could grab this fan base by the nads, twirl it above his head, and fling it headlong into the river where the fan base would drown or get eaten by catfish or chopped to pieces by passing boat propellers.

He's being very cautious and conservative at the moment ... feeling things out ... taking his time. It's actually pretty impressive.

FAX

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 02:48 PM
:hmmm:

I don't think we'll go 3-13.

I think the Chiefs will fall into 4 or 5 wins and he'll survive. My consternation arises from the fact that he shouldn't survive at 4 or 5 wins.

My apologies for the ambiguity.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 02:50 PM
I don't think we'll go 3-13.

I think the Chiefs will fall into 4 or 5 wins and he'll survive. My consternation arises from the fact that he shouldn't survive at 4 or 5 wins.

My apologies for the ambiguity.

I disagree. We've won our game this year.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 02:54 PM
I disagree. We've won our game this year.

Pioli will not survive a 1-15 season. Nobody ever has, nobody ever will.

If they go 1-15, everyone goes.

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 02:59 PM
It's sometimes and strangely funny watching from afar as some people talk themselves into believing an absolute mythology.

If Clark so desired, he could grab this fan base by the nads, twirl it above his head, and fling it headlong into the river where the fan base would drown or get eaten by catfish or chopped to pieces by passing boat propellers.

He's being very cautious and conservative at the moment ... feeling things out ... taking his time. It's actually pretty impressive.

FAX

Impressively pathetic?

This is not methodical logic. Rather, we're watching perpetual apathy. No word after the Winston fisting is evidence of this.

kaplin42
10-26-2012, 03:11 PM
Pioli will not survive a 1-15 season. Nobody ever has, nobody ever will.

If they go 1-15, everyone goes.

Dare to dream.

Marcellus
10-26-2012, 03:33 PM
Impressively pathetic?

This is not methodical logic. Rather, we're watching perpetual apathy. No word after the Winston fisting is evidence of this.

Clark did speak after the Winston fisting, Pioli did not. Which is another curious thing.

Pioli has been eerily quiet I would say.

Kind of like when they fired Haley, Clark did all the talking and it seemed was a bit miffed with his GM.

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 03:35 PM
Clark did speak after the Winston fisting, Pioli did not. Which is another curious thing.

Pioli has been eerily quiet I would say.

Kind of like when they fired Haley, Clark did all the talking and it seemed was a bit miffed with his GM.

He said something on what, Wednesday? That's pathetic. The excuse offered was that he "was expecting Pioli to step forward," but if Hunt were actually paying attention, he would have been proactive in formulating a response.

In other words, he would have been acting like a leader. But he's not. He's a detached owner.

KCDC
10-26-2012, 03:41 PM
I don't think Clark's a bad guy. Maybe not active as we'd like, but I don't think this story is necessarily surprising.

Here's what's funny. Clark Hunt is the boss. After the fans got ripped in public, Clark Hunt stood up for the fans. Pioli didn't say shit.

When Kent Babb did an expose` on Arrowhead Anxiety, Clark agreed to the interview. Pioli refused. And Pioli refused interviews afterward too.

It almost seems like Clark is distant enough to not even realize what Pioli is doing and who he's pissing off. What also bothers me is missed opportunities. This guy probably sounded off on Clark for being cheap. When he should have been sounding off on the expensive GM who isn't doing shit.

Agreed. Hunt has taken steps, albeit modest ones, to show he cares. Pioli has not.

R8RFAN
10-26-2012, 03:47 PM
Poor wittle Chiefs fans are being neglected.

Marcellus
10-26-2012, 03:49 PM
He said something on what, Wednesday? That's pathetic. The excuse offered was that he "was expecting Pioli to step forward," but if Hunt were actually paying attention, he would have been proactive in formulating a response.

In other words, he would have been acting like a leader. But he's not. He's a detached owner.

I don't necessarily agree but this year has been like a nightmare so I am probably wrong on this as well.

The only thing worse than being a laughing stock would be to be a laughing stock and keep the conductor of this train wreck around or even worse give him an extension.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 03:51 PM
He said something on what, Wednesday? That's pathetic. The excuse offered was that he "was expecting Pioli to step forward," but if Hunt were actually paying attention, he would have been proactive in formulating a response.

In other words, he would have been acting like a leader. But he's not. He's a detached owner.

There's the other possibility - he's not a detached owner...he's just not a good one.

He may want the Chiefs to win. He may live and die with victories. He also may be an easily manipulated sap that is going to get steamrolled by larger than life personalities like Scott Pioli. He may be a guy that's going to just get duped over and over again by hucksters that are able to pull the wool over his eyes just long enough to make a lot of money and produce little in the way of results.

I think I prefer to believe that he just doesn't care.

But what if he actually does? That could be even scarier.

R8RFAN
10-26-2012, 03:51 PM
I don't necessarily agree but this year has been like a nightmare so I am probably wrong on this as well.

The only thing worse than being a laughing stock would be to be a laughing stock and keep the conductor of this train wreck around or even worse give him an extension.

You really disappoint me

Marcellus
10-26-2012, 03:52 PM
You really disappoint me


Glad to hear it.

KCDC
10-26-2012, 03:53 PM
He said something on what, Wednesday? That's pathetic. The excuse offered was that he "was expecting Pioli to step forward," but if Hunt were actually paying attention, he would have been proactive in formulating a response.

In other words, he would have been acting like a leader. But he's not. He's a detached owner.

I wouldn't doubt he waited because he wanted to see if Pioli wanted to do anything.

Also, other than Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder/Jim Irsay, owners are supposed to be behind the scenes and only step forward at major moments. I know this counts as a major moment; but, I hope that he is remaining back a bit to allow Pioli to try and salvage the situation himself before making any final decisions.

gblowfish
10-26-2012, 04:00 PM
Mellinger is supposed to be on 610 at 4pm.

pr_capone
10-26-2012, 04:18 PM
Mellinger is supposed to be on 610 at 4pm.

We got a positive mention. :D

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 04:39 PM
Pioli will not survive a 1-15 season. Nobody ever has, nobody ever will.

If they go 1-15, everyone goes.

Good...gooooooooooood...

http://images.hollywood.com/site/Emperor-Palpatine.jpg

R8RFAN
10-26-2012, 04:43 PM
Good...gooooooooooood...

http://images.hollywood.com/site/Emperor-Palpatine.jpg

Help me Mommy!

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 04:49 PM
Help me Mommy!

With a real GM and QB, I'll be HAPPY to root for my team to stomp your ass each and every game.

Until then; enjoy the V!

(I don't mean "V" as in your faider-loving vagina. Just so you know)

R8RFAN
10-26-2012, 04:57 PM
With a real GM and QB, I'll be HAPPY to root for my team to stomp your ass each and every game.

Until then; enjoy the V!

(I don't mean "V" as in your faider-loving vagina. Just so you know)

You are one of the biggest pussy fans I have ever seen in my life... Mommy and Daddy always gave you what you wanted didn't they? so you are gonna bring that same mentality to others.. I wouldn't be surprised if some old skool chiefs fan don't yank your ass up by the nap of the neck and shake you boy... You pink panty wearing pussy

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 04:58 PM
You are one of the biggest pussy fans I have ever seen in my life... Mommy and Daddy always gave you what you wanted didn't they? so you are gonna bring that same mentality to others.. I wouldn't be surprised if some old skool chiefs fan don't yank your ass up by the nap of the neck and shake you boy... You pink panty wearing pussy

blahblahblahdouchemyself/R8ers

R8RFAN
10-26-2012, 05:05 PM
blahblahblahdouchemyself/R8ers

You better be glad I am not a Chiefs fan bitch

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 05:07 PM
You better be glad I am not a Chiefs fan bitch

You're too fucking stupid to be a Chiefs fan.

FAX
10-26-2012, 05:20 PM
We got a positive mention. :D

What did he say?

FAX THE MISSED OUT

FAX
10-26-2012, 05:26 PM
I wouldn't doubt he waited because he wanted to see if Pioli wanted to do anything.

Also, other than Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder/Jim Irsay, owners are supposed to be behind the scenes and only step forward at major moments. I know this counts as a major moment; but, I hope that he is remaining back a bit to allow Pioli to try and salvage the situation himself before making any final decisions.

I have no doubt that something like that is close to the truth.

If I were Clark, I'd hold off for a tad to see how my GM was going to handle the matter. Then, when nothing happened after a few days, I'd make a personal, public statement. After that, I'd burn the yellow-bellied GM's cowardly ass and tell him to talk to the paper and all the radio stations within the week. Then I'd throw the rest of my coffee on his tie and tell him to fetch me a refill while wearing nothing but socks and a hat.

I think that's pretty much how it probably went down.

FAX

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 05:27 PM
The KC franchise is reaching a point where if they acquiesce to the fans to get an 'elite' QB in the draft, it's similar to what Denver had with Tebow..mob rule.

I want them to draft a QB, but frankly, I dont want them to do it just because of the mob with torches and pitchforks outside the gates wanting blood.

rico
10-26-2012, 05:30 PM
My God when I saw the title, I was hoping that Barry's Kool Aid was in no way involved.... I mean, I don't know why he would be in a Mellinger, just 1st thought because of how stupid I thought his shtick was on his podcast.

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 05:30 PM
The KC franchise is reaching a point where if they acquiesce to the fans to get an 'elite' QB in the draft, it's similar to what Denver had with Tebow..mob rule.

I want them to draft a QB, but frankly, I dont want them to do it just because of the mob with torches and pitchforks outside the gates wanting blood.

They weren't going to it without a mob. Pioli would (and still may) just take another 5th round flier and use his 1st rounder on another NT.

There are 2 exceptionally good ones coming out in this draft. If you don't think that Pioli would have loved to have grabbed on of them and slid Poe over to the 5-tech to replace Dorsey, you haven't been paying attention.

If we draft a QB, it will be exclusively because of the mob rule.

I can live with that.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 05:33 PM
They weren't going to it without a mob. Pioli would (and still may) just take another 5th round flier and use his 1st rounder on another NT.

There are 2 exceptionally good ones coming out in this draft. If you don't think that Pioli would have loved to have grabbed on of them and slid Poe over to the 5-tech to replace Dorsey, you haven't been paying attention.

If we draft a QB, it will be exclusively because of the mob rule.

I can live with that.

That's the power of the peeps, baby.

FAX
10-26-2012, 05:36 PM
There's the other possibility - he's not a detached owner...he's just not a good one.

He may want the Chiefs to win. He may live and die with victories. He also may be an easily manipulated sap that is going to get steamrolled by larger than life personalities like Scott Pioli. He may be a guy that's going to just get duped over and over again by hucksters that are able to pull the wool over his eyes just long enough to make a lot of money and produce little in the way of results.

I think I prefer to believe that he just doesn't care.

But what if he actually does? That could be even scarier.

I don't think you're giving Clark enough credit, Mr. DJ's left nut.

I haven't given up on him ... not by a long shot. I'm not even sure he deserves the "cheap" and "detached" labels ... at least, not yet. Frankly, it makes good sense to let your GM do the job he was hired to do and only interfere or intercede when or if it's absolutely necessary.

I mean, look ... he took his coins and went to market in order to bring back the best consensus GM candidate available. How was he to know that the magic beans were going to grow into a vine that led to a crazy, misanthropic, giant cannibal's crash pad? Now, because Pioli promptly screwed the pooch, Clark has to deal with a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place. It takes time.

I wouldn't say that I "believe" in Clark. There is simply insufficient evidence to warrant that level of confidence. But I am also unprepared to declare him to be a certified, level 2 dumbass, either.

FAX

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 05:38 PM
They weren't going to it without a mob. Pioli would (and still may) just take another 5th round flier and use his 1st rounder on another NT.

There are 2 exceptionally good ones coming out in this draft. If you don't think that Pioli would have loved to have grabbed on of them and slid Poe over to the 5-tech to replace Dorsey, you haven't been paying attention.

If we draft a QB, it will be exclusively because of the mob rule.

I can live with that.

This year (or last draft as I like to call it) would have been the time to make that move. Doing so next year, after all this turmoil, practically means only one thing and it doesnt set a good tone for the incoming QB, especially, if management doesnt really want him in the first place. It's destined to fail.

If KC is sitting at 1 or 2 and one of them are available, it makes it easy, but if they have to sell out to move up, then it's an act of desperation to acquiesce to the fans and that's not good. Because, frankly, the fans will never be happy. These are the same fans that wanted Piloi...

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 05:39 PM
I haven't lost faith in the Hunts per se, but I am absolutely DONE with this team under Peeholi.

R8RFAN
10-26-2012, 05:42 PM
I haven't lost faith in the Hunts per se, but I am absolutely DONE with this team under Peeholi.

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Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 05:45 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, still posting and hating.

See how effective you are, R8er?

DJ's left nut
10-26-2012, 05:50 PM
This year (or last draft as I like to call it) would have been the time to make that move. Doing so next year, after all this turmoil, practically means only one thing and it doesnt set a good tone for the incoming QB, especially, if management doesnt really want him in the first place. It's destined to fail.

If KC is sitting at 1 or 2 and one of them are available, it makes it easy, but if they have to sell out to move up, then it's an act of desperation to acquiesce to the fans and that's not good. Because, frankly, the fans will never be happy. These are the same fans that wanted Piloi...

Be desperate.

You cannot win in this league without a quarterback and I'm not sitting around another year waiting for one to show up.

What happens if we wait until 2014 and the QB class is mediocre again? The 2012 QB class is not likely to happen again for a very long time so we have to do what we can do.

If that means selling the farm for Smith, do it. If it means giving up slightly less for Barkley or Wilson - so be it.

This team cannot afford to continue with the 'wait until the next class, it will be better' mantra. It's what kept us from moving up for a guy like Tannehill last year, who would probably be the 2nd best QB in the class this season.

Make the !@#$ing move already - we're stuck in neutral until it's done.

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 05:59 PM
Be desperate.

You cannot win in this league without a quarterback and I'm not sitting around another year waiting for one to show up.

What happens if we wait until 2014 and the QB class is mediocre again? The 2012 QB class is not likely to happen again for a very long time so we have to do what we can do.

If that means selling the farm for Smith, do it. If it means giving up slightly less for Barkley or Wilson - so be it.

This team cannot afford to continue with the 'wait until the next class, it will be better' mantra. It's what kept us from moving up for a guy like Tannehill last year, who would probably be the 2nd best QB in the class this season.

Make the !@#$ing move already - we're stuck in neutral until it's done.

I empathize, and agree to a point, but selling out only does one thing and it sends the wrong message. There was a time several years ago the fans wanted KC to sell out to get the 'next best thing' named Joey Harrington. He, like Blackledge, have desk jobs at ESPN.

Selling out only does one thing and it's not a good option. If they pass up on a QB, I certainly fault them for not making an attempt, but the other option is lunacy from a management/ownership standpoint. That tells the fans that they can intimidate the club into doing whatever they want. That franchise is 100% guaranteed destined for absolute ruin.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 06:02 PM
I empathize, and agree to a point, but selling out only does one thing and it sends the wrong message. There was a time several years ago the fans wanted KC to sell out to get the 'next best thing' named Joey Harrington. He, like Blackledge, have desk jobs at ESPN.

Selling out only does one thing and it's not a good option. If they pass up on a QB, I certainly fault them for not making an attempt, but the other option is lunacy from a management/ownership standpoint. That tells the fans that they can intimidate the club into doing whatever they want. That franchise is 100% guaranteed destined for absolute ruin.

Dude, after almost 30 fucking years, it's TIME to tell these asshats what to do because apparantly, they are not familiar with the modern NFL.

Tribal Warfare
10-26-2012, 06:03 PM
I empathize, and agree to a point, but selling out only does one thing and it sends the wrong message. There was a time several years ago the fans wanted KC to sell out to get the 'next best thing' named Joey Harrington. He, like Blackledge, have desk jobs at ESPN.

Selling out only does one thing and it's not a good option. If they pass up on a QB, I certainly fault them for not making an attempt, but the other option is lunacy from a management/ownership standpoint. That tells the fans that they can intimidate the club into doing whatever they want. That franchise is 100% guaranteed destined for absolute ruin.

You can't be afraid of pulling the trigger, or you you'll never what could be. If the player fails okay, try again because the absolute worst thing to do is not attempting to get one at all.

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 06:11 PM
Dude, after almost 30 ****ing years, it's TIME to tell these asshats what to do because apparantly, they are not familiar with the modern NFL.

Well, yes, they need to get a QB, but not at the expense of admitting that enough fan pressure will get them to draft the shiny new toy in the next draft.

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 06:12 PM
You can't be afraid of pulling the trigger, or you you'll never what could be. If the player fails okay, try again because the absolute worst thing to do is not attempting to get one at all.

Isnt that what KC's done with defensive linemen recently? Pulling the trigger on a QB, or more to the point, 'selling the farm' to get one means that if he doesnt work out, KC will be waiting a while before they can pull the trigger again.

I understand the point and agree, KC needs a QB, but it's the cost and message that I have trepidation about.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 06:13 PM
Well, yes, they need to get a QB, but not at the expense of admitting that enough fan pressure will get them to draft the shiny new toy in the next draft.

The fan pressure comes in the form of getting rid of Pioli and his absolute disaster of a marriage to Cassel.

Any new GM worth even one quarter of a shit will draft a 1st round QB for this franchise and build around him.

CoMoChief
10-26-2012, 06:15 PM
Peyton Manning

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 06:18 PM
Peyton Manning

Is.....unavailable?

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 06:19 PM
The fan pressure comes in the form of getting rid of Pioli and his absolute disaster of a marriage to Cassel.

Any new GM worth even one quarter of a shit will draft a 1st round QB for this franchise and build around him.

Again, the vast majority of the fan base wanted Piloi...they got what they wanted and are now near revolt. That should say something.

Sure, bring in another GM, sell out and draft the best QB int he draft...it's still NO guarantee of success. That's not my point.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-26-2012, 06:22 PM
Again, the vast majority of the fan base wanted Piloi...they got what they wanted and are now near revolt. That should say something.

Sure, bring in another GM, sell out and draft the best QB int he draft...it's still NO guarantee of success. That's not my point.

Well, we always kind of knew that the majority of the fanbase was retarded as fuck to begin with, and I'm happy that they are now serving a somewhat useful purpose in life.

FAX
10-26-2012, 06:25 PM
I empathize, and agree to a point, but selling out only does one thing and it sends the wrong message. There was a time several years ago the fans wanted KC to sell out to get the 'next best thing' named Joey Harrington. He, like Blackledge, have desk jobs at ESPN.

Selling out only does one thing and it's not a good option. If they pass up on a QB, I certainly fault them for not making an attempt, but the other option is lunacy from a management/ownership standpoint. That tells the fans that they can intimidate the club into doing whatever they want. That franchise is 100% guaranteed destined for absolute ruin.

It's a valid point. I mean, you can't cede full control to the inmates ... if, that is, you don't want the wrong people to get lobotomized. Ideally, we should only want the correct people to get lobotomized ... not the incorrect ones. They are the ones who should receive the underwater shock treatment with brain screws.

On the other hand, we don't want to be the only NFL team without any hope whatsoever at the quarterback position.

Depending on how the draft shapes up, it could be a tough call. A reach isn't great and there doesn't appear to be a slam dunk in this class ... or, at least, one hasn't yet emerged.

But surely everybody from Clark on down gets the joke on this deal ... finally. We're not going anywhere fast with no quarterback and if we don't make the effort (including enduring the potential risk factors), our best players today will be our retired players by the time we finally find one. No ... the more you look at the situation, the more you realize that we have to pull the trigger in the next draft. There really isn't any other option ... fan pressure, or no.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 06:29 PM
There's the other possibility - he's not a detached owner...he's just not a good one.

He may want the Chiefs to win. He may live and die with victories. He also may be an easily manipulated sap that is going to get steamrolled by larger than life personalities like Scott Pioli. He may be a guy that's going to just get duped over and over again by hucksters that are able to pull the wool over his eyes just long enough to make a lot of money and produce little in the way of results.

I think I prefer to believe that he just doesn't care.

But what if he actually does? That could be even scarier.

Looking at my last post, my statements were contradictory. Based on that, I'd say he's simply not a leader, which is not good for us.

Der Flöprer
10-26-2012, 06:30 PM
I'm not giving up on Clark Hunt yet. I've talked shit, but it was just frustration. He did go out and hire the best guy available for the job. Turned out, he sucks, but at least Clark tried. They did roll cap money over that they didn't have too, and they spent some of it. Clark didn't tell Scott to not sign Bowe under any circumstances, and possibly Bowe just flat out wants out of KC.

No. Not time to give up on our owner. His father was full of pride, and sportsmanship, and competitiveness. I think Clark will be too. He was hand picked after all.

JASONSAUTO
10-26-2012, 06:32 PM
I agree flop
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KCTitus
10-26-2012, 06:35 PM
Well, we always kind of knew that the majority of the fanbase was retarded as **** to begin with, and I'm happy that they are now serving a somewhat useful purpose in life.

LOL...

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 06:37 PM
It's a valid point. I mean, you can't cede full control to the inmates ... if, that is, you don't want the wrong people to get lobotomized. Ideally, we should only want the correct people to get lobotomized ... not the incorrect ones. They are the ones who should receive the underwater shock treatment with brain screws.

On the other hand, we don't want to be the only NFL team without any hope whatsoever at the quarterback position.

Depending on how the draft shapes up, it could be a tough call. A reach isn't great and there doesn't appear to be a slam dunk in this class ... or, at least, one hasn't yet emerged.

But surely everybody from Clark on down gets the joke on this deal ... finally. We're not going anywhere fast with no quarterback and if we don't make the effort (including enduring the potential risk factors), our best players today will be our retired players by the time we finally find one. No ... the more you look at the situation, the more you realize that we have to pull the trigger in the next draft. There really isn't any other option ... fan pressure, or no.

FAX

Mr. FAX, I love your analysis...good read.

Reaper16
10-26-2012, 06:39 PM
I just find actual words more meaningful. Might be just me. I have no doubt about your passion. Just seems to me that you're more about show than substance a lot of the time.

You're just old.

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 06:49 PM
You're just old.
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Tribal Warfare
10-26-2012, 06:57 PM
Isnt that what KC's done with defensive linemen recently? Pulling the trigger on a QB, or more to the point, 'selling the farm' to get one means that if he doesnt work out, KC will be waiting a while before they can pull the trigger again.

I understand the point and agree, KC needs a QB, but it's the cost and message that I have trepidation about.

We aren't selling the farm since we have the 2nd overall pick, with QBs available we'll have one with plenty of talent without reaching.

JASONSAUTO
10-26-2012, 07:03 PM
Who gives a shit?

If you have to sell the farm, you sell the fucking farm. what do you do if it doesn't work?


You sell the city house and both cars and try again.
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KCTitus
10-26-2012, 07:37 PM
We aren't selling the farm since we have the 2nd overall pick, with QBs available we'll have one with plenty of talent without reaching.

We shall see, wont we...

whoman69
10-26-2012, 07:40 PM
There's the other possibility - he's not a detached owner...he's just not a good one.

He may want the Chiefs to win. He may live and die with victories. He also may be an easily manipulated sap that is going to get steamrolled by larger than life personalities like Scott Pioli. He may be a guy that's going to just get duped over and over again by hucksters that are able to pull the wool over his eyes just long enough to make a lot of money and produce little in the way of results.

I think I prefer to believe that he just doesn't care.

But what if he actually does? That could be even scarier.
I don't think he does either. Its a business to him.

whoman69
10-26-2012, 07:43 PM
Isnt that what KC's done with defensive linemen recently? Pulling the trigger on a QB, or more to the point, 'selling the farm' to get one means that if he doesnt work out, KC will be waiting a while before they can pull the trigger again.

I understand the point and agree, KC needs a QB, but it's the cost and message that I have trepidation about.

Selling the farm isn't the same as the old days. If you draft a QB that doesn't work, you just draft another one. In the old days a first round QB it would cost so much that your organization would be crippled if they fell flat. Now if you draft a bust, you're probably in a position to draft another.

KCTitus
10-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Selling the farm isn't the same as the old days. If you draft a QB that doesn't work, you just draft another one. In the old days a first round QB it would cost so much that your organization would be crippled if they fell flat. Now if you draft a bust, you're probably in a position to draft another.

Possibly...I would assume 'selling the farm' would include the subsequent years #1, and if so, for all intents and purposes, your draftee is going to be the guy for at least 3 years. If that doesnt work, then yes, I guess KC tries again...assuming that the year has a good QB prospect or has to trade up, yet again, for the top prospect. Then that means yet another trading of multiple picks for the top prospect who may or may not pan out.

KC is not the Washinton Redskins flush with money every year from suites and other ad revenue that can make these kinds of blunders year after year and then just piss away numerous picks for another top pick. While RG3 appears to be the QB there, Im interested to see what happens throughout the season and next year.

FAX
10-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Selling the farm isn't the same as the old days. If you draft a QB that doesn't work, you just draft another one. In the old days a first round QB it would cost so much that your organization would be crippled if they fell flat. Now if you draft a bust, you're probably in a position to draft another.

True ... and, interestingly, it also means a much more robust secondary market in young, 1st- and 2nd-year quarterbacks is going to develop which is also something to consider and keep an eye on.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 07:56 PM
True ... and, interestingly, it also means a much more robust secondary market in young, 1st- and 2nd-year quarterbacks is going to develop which is also something to consider and keep an eye on.

FAX

I love garage sales. /"EotD"

FAX
10-26-2012, 08:09 PM
And what, pray tell, is "EotD", Mr. DeezNutz?

I honestly don't want to be up all night trying in vain to figure it out on my own.

"Edith On The Dope"?
"Exclusive: Oppenheimer Tryst Denied"?
"Eggcups Overemphasize Traumatized Dates"?

FAX

DeezNutz
10-26-2012, 08:13 PM
And what, pray tell, is "EotD", Mr. DeezNutz?

I honestly don't want to be up all night trying in vain to figure it out on my own.

"Edith On The Dope"?
"Exclusive: Oppenheimer Tryst Denied"?
"Eggcups Overemphasize Traumatized Dates"?

FAX

Oh, it's what those crazy youth are calling the "Executive of the Decade," but I keeps it real in calling him Tuna taint.

FAX
10-26-2012, 08:17 PM
Oh, it's what those crazy youth are calling the "Executive of the Decade," but I keeps it real in calling him Tuna taint.

Oh ... my God ... I should have know that.

And, if I had, that would have been funny. Dang.

I was headed in the general direction of, "Early Onset Testicular Darkening". Thanks for saving me from any more.

FAX THE MISSED OUT AGAIN BUT STILL GRATEFUL

GloryDayz
10-26-2012, 08:34 PM
I can't wait for CHunt to invite me to chat. Hell, he can come to mine if that works better for me. All spring for lunch and make sure we're not irrupted by calls or any other such minutia... PM me Clark!

milkman
10-27-2012, 12:41 PM
I agree. Had Herm and Carl gotten another year, then I would be more inclined to agree with him. As it was, they were ran out of town with pitchforks. I won't even bump the Carl is fired thread for proof. Everyone should remember.

Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team? Would we have drafted that 1st round QB? If they had 1 more year, do you think they would've been successful? What would be different about this team, and who would be running it if Clark had given them just one more year?

Those questions are for everyone, not just Dave. I'm just curious. I'm trying to get my finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans. ;)

No, there's no way that Carl and Herman fucking Edwards should have been given another year.

The time to make a change at the GM position had come years prior to the actual change, and Herman fucking Edwards should never be allowed to coach on any level.

It is well documented, though, that I, along with a couple of others (Hamas, Warpath58 and Dane) weren't on board with hiring Pioli.

I did, however, give Clark Hunt credit for getting the most sought after candidate of the the previous 4 or 5 years that no other team could pry away from New England.

I didn't think he was the right guy, but it should have shown that Hunt did actually care about winning.

whoman69
10-27-2012, 01:19 PM
I agree. Had Herm and Carl gotten another year, then I would be more inclined to agree with him. As it was, they were ran out of town with pitchforks. I won't even bump the Carl is fired thread for proof. Everyone should remember.

Seriously, and be honest with yourself, if not out loud, looking back right now, do you wish they'd had just 1 more year to see what they could do with the team? Would we have drafted that 1st round QB? If they had 1 more year, do you think they would've been successful? What would be different about this team, and who would be running it if Clark had given them just one more year?

Those questions are for everyone, not just Dave. I'm just curious. I'm trying to get my finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans. ;)
Curiosity is not a reason to retain a failed GM and coach. They put way too many people on the field that last year that never should have been given a shot instead of trying to bring in steady FAs to field the positions they knew they could not cover. Herm never got the best out of any of his players. Pederson bought into his own genious.

Who was the QB we could have drafted that year? Freeman would have been a huge reach at 3, even bigger than Jackson was. That was a horrible draft top to bottom. Even doubts are being placed on Stafford and his lazy work ethic.

Rausch
10-27-2012, 01:30 PM
The Chiefs are run by smart people who care. The aggravating part is their lousy way of showing it to the masses.

Show me by winning.

Anything else is more pointless babble we've already heard the last 30 years...

Monty
10-27-2012, 01:48 PM
Show me by winning.

Anything else is more pointless babble we've already heard the last 30 years...

This. CHunt has shown that he appears to care, whether he really cares is another matter. Having a meeting with a fan is more of a PR move than a real action IMO. Time to step it up CHunt.

BossChief
10-27-2012, 02:06 PM
Anyone claiming that ChiefsPlanet would be mad, even if the team is winning, should go read some posts from mid 2010.

It's not like CP members are the only ones that bood Cassel everytime he got on the field this year FFS.