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jwhit
10-28-2012, 09:31 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...ry/980160.html

Hiring of Pioli puts the Chiefs in the Hunt again
Jason Whitlock

We have no more questions about Clark Huntís commitment to winning the Super Bowl.

By landing the biggest fish in the NFLís off-season ocean ó Patriots front-office guru Scott Pioli ó Hunt told us everything we need to know about his desire to win at the highest level.

Clark Hunt is as passionate and committed as the most fanatic Chiefs fan.

You pierce your costume with arrows on game day, wear red on Fridays, decorate your basement with Chiefs apparel, rock Priest Holmes jerseys throughout the week, tolerate taxes to renovate Arrowhead Stadium and pay $22 to tailgate before exhibition games.

Clark Hunt appreciates all that. But he wants you to recognize he just spent a fortune to eliminate the stench of Carl Peterson and make the Chiefs Super Bowl contenders again.

We thought dethroning King Carl was a big deal. Luring Pioli to replace Peterson is much, much bigger.

There is no way to guarantee Pioli will be a success. The longtime Bill Belichick right-hand man might be as fraudulent as Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Eric Mangini and the other Belichick clones who failed once they left the Patriots coachís shadow and cashed in.

I like Pioli ó a lot. Heís young, confident, disciplined, smart and heís certainly been in the right organization.

But when it comes to the Patriots and success, we just donít know where Belichick ends and everybody else begins. The Patriots are like the Jackson 5, and Belichick is Michael Jackson. Crennel and Weis proved to be Tito and Jackie.

Is Pioli the next Jermaine Jackson, who had a solid solo career? Or, better yet, is Pioli the next Janet Jackson, a megastar just waiting for the opportunity to shine?

We donít know. And we wonít know for a couple of years. Weíll need to see how he drafts, whether he can find a legitimate quarterback of the future for the Chiefs, whether he can hire his own version of Belichick.

(Oops, Iím assuming that Herm Edwards will be relieved of his duties.)

What we know for sure is that ownership is going to provide Pioli with everything he needs to be successful.

Thereís no way Pioli takes the job without those assurances. He had a great deal of leverage entering this off-season. The Cleveland Browns wanted to make him their general manager. The Lions were initially interested. Pioli couldíve stayed with the Patriots and waited for the perfect situation.

He got it here. He took this job because he found an owner ready to do things the Patriots way. He found an owner ready to match his level of commitment.

You donít leave Belichick and all those Super Bowl rings unless you believe youíve discovered a place where you believe you can do the same thing. Oh, Iím sure the money is awesome. Iím sure the Pioli family is set.

But Pioli has no interest in being Weis or Crennel. Theyíre laughingstocks. Theyíre known as football men who were great Belichick puppets and nothing else. One of lifeís toughest tasks is recovering a lost reputation.

Pioli has a great rep. Heís risking a lot leaving the Belichick nest. He didnít do it blindly or with dollar signs dancing in his head.

He did it thinking about creating his own legacy and with playoff victories dancing in his head.

Pioli and Hunt recruited each other. Pioli had to convince Hunt that he had a plan to fix the Chiefs. And Hunt had to convince Pioli that he was willing to support that plan.

For two decades under Petersonís rule and Lamar Huntís budget, the Chiefs shopped for bargains in their pursuit of a championship. Peterson grabbed Marcus Allen and Joe Montana at the end of their careers. Peterson snagged underappreciated veterans such as Dan Saleaumua and James Hasty.

Only once can I remember Peterson stepping out and paying top dollar for a big-time free agent. He gave his football godfather Dick Vermeil a golden parachute. Peterson spent lavishly on assistants and Vermeilís dream of building an offense superior to Mike Martzís.

It worked.

Well, now Clark Hunt has stepped out and grabbed the most elite name in front-office magic.

And with this move, Hunt has boldly stated only the best and brightest are good enough for the Chiefs.

Thatís just what we needed to hear.

TribalElder
10-28-2012, 09:33 PM
What's the updated version gonna look like?

siberian khatru
10-28-2012, 09:33 PM
Q

hometeam
10-28-2012, 09:34 PM
Hunt did what anyone else would have done. He went out and got THE GUY from the legendary legacy team. Hunt bears some of the blame for this debacle, but the bulk lands squarely on the shoulders of Pioli.

Hopefully you can write another article like this, except about a new front office/coach/qb all at once.

jwhit
10-28-2012, 09:34 PM
I think it's proof that Clark was committed and promised to give Pioli exactly what Pioli felt he needed to win. This proves that the problem is Pioli. He had the leverage to get everything he felt was necessary to win. This season can't be blamed on Clark not providing Pioli the resources. I like this column and I'm not embarrassed by it. Not sure why the thread was locked.

J Diddy
10-28-2012, 09:35 PM
What's the updated version gonna look like?

The Pioli virus has burrowed its way into the brains of Chiefs fans causing a serious condition that will never allow them to feel joy over the game of football again.


Just my guess.

Simply Red
10-28-2012, 09:35 PM
That's great Jason.

Heck thanks again!

chiefzilla1501
10-28-2012, 09:36 PM
Lots of us agreed with you and many people who say they didn't are lying. The point isn't what we originally thought about the guy but what we think about him now. And right now, we're glad to have you on the right side of this.

J Diddy
10-28-2012, 09:37 PM
I think it's proof that Clark was committed and promised to give Pioli exactly what Pioli felt he needed to win. This proves that the problem is Pioli. He had the leverage to get everything he felt was necessary to win. This season can't be blamed on Clark not providing Pioli the resources. I like this column and I'm not embarrassed by it. Not sure why the thread was locked.

Whatcha think man? Is the shit ever going to hit the fan? Watching that game today was worse than watching golf.

GloryDayz
10-28-2012, 09:37 PM
If Pioli was Japanese, he'd fall on his sword... Alas, he is not...

CaliforniaChief
10-28-2012, 09:38 PM
We need to make damned sure that Clark knows that ANY plan moving forward that involves Scott Pioli or ANYTHING wreaking of the Patriot Way is unacceptable no matter what other bones (new HC, 1st round QB, big free agent, etc) is thrown our way.

Ace Gunner
10-28-2012, 09:38 PM
Ya, but I get the feeling Clark kind of helped fuck this up. His handling of employees, or should I say lack of at least giving some guidance to the new staff with regard to dismissals etc leads me to believe he is just as much to blame for this organizational breakdown as anyone.

Rain Man
10-28-2012, 09:39 PM
Pioli was obviously a coup when we got him. He had the rings and the awards and I think he was dating Gisele Bundchen. It was the right move by Clark.

It's not working out like we'd hoped, which means one of three things is true:

1. It was really Belichick.

2. It was really Brady.

3. The difference between success and failure is razor thin and even the best judges of talent can miss several shots in a row, which is enough to produce Millenesque results.

I'd like to think that it's #3, and that, like blackjack, he'll eventually get on a hot streak to even out the numbers. But the Cassel trade makes me wonder if it's really #1. And it's still hard to rule out #2 from a global perspective.

When we think about what Pioli did, it all seemed right. He hired a hot young offensive coordinator in Todd Haley, and he made the biggest investment (pick-wise) in a QB since Trent Green. He followed the rules of "it's all about the passer and the people who rush the passer" by getting a QB and d-linemen. It's just that none of them are working out.

Baconeater
10-28-2012, 09:41 PM
I don't understand why the other thread was locked either.

Ace Gunner
10-28-2012, 09:43 PM
I'm thinking the Chiefs have been and are going to continue to be viewed by those candidates to replace this staff/players as "that thing you wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole".

Peyton Manning sure didn't want to. It makes me wonder about Clark.

L.A. Chieffan
10-28-2012, 09:45 PM
SPAM

jwhit
10-28-2012, 09:46 PM
I don't understand why the other thread was locked either.


People here becoming too protective of me. You guys should still call bullshit on me and are free to disagree with my opinions. I'm no different from anyone else. The $600 bucks did not come with strings attached. A little criticism won't stop my support of making your voices heard.

Easy 6
10-28-2012, 09:47 PM
The level of pressure that SaveOurChiefs can bring to bear, is NOTHING compared to the actual, onfield product on display today.

YOU'RE NOT BLIND CLARK @./..

jspchief
10-28-2012, 09:49 PM
At the time it happened, landing Pioli was a huge win. No one can fault Clark for that move.

Problem is everyone thought we were getting a guy that could build a race car. Turns out he's just a guy that was in the garage when it was done.

But now is when Clark needs to shoulder some of the blame. He got fooled the second time when he believed Haley was the problem. How much farther down does he allow the team to be taken before he changes something.

Lonewolf Ed
10-28-2012, 09:58 PM
People here becoming too protective of me. You guys should still call bullshit on me and are free to disagree with my opinions. I'm no different from anyone else. The $600 bucks did not come with strings attached. A little criticism won't stop my support of making your voices heard.

There's nothing to criticize here lately, Jason. When Pioli was first hired, it looked good. It felt good. Herm was gone, Carl was gone, and things were set up to get going in the right direction. For a while, it looked like they were, and many of us were not sure what to make of your articles and calling Pioli "Egoli."

Now that hindsight is clear, we're saying you were right on the money. We're sick of this and the tales of Pioli's bizarre management methods and quirks, for example, the supposedly bugged phones and the candy wrapper debacle.

For Christmas the year KC went 2-14, I received a long sleeved black Chiefs shirt. The words "Kansas City Chiefs" are in red with a white outline, but the rest is black. I wore it and said I was a fan in mourning. I despise Oakland, but I wore the black shirt today to watch the game, fully expecting a loss. That was the first time I wore the mourning jersey when KC played Oakland. The first!

My hope for this team is a rapidly dwindling ember where once it was a roaring campfire.

Ace Gunner
10-28-2012, 10:00 PM
People here becoming too protective of me. You guys should still call bullshit on me and are free to disagree with my opinions. I'm no different from anyone else. The $600 bucks did not come with strings attached. A little criticism won't stop my support of making your voices heard.

I've kind of brought forward some points that at least raise questions about the Hunts. If you think this is not coming from the ownership to some degree, then ya, I would say it's worth another look.

How do you explain all this foolish behavior by Pioli while he has a boss that is alleged to be part of the decision process in how the FO was turned over? There are lawsuits with regard to how those personnel decisions were deliberated, from my understanding, or there were.

You've met Clark, is he not a different personality than the person responsible for all the horror stories coming out of 1 arrowhead? Why does he serve you white bread while his staff is threatening folks for not picking up candy wrappers?

I don't know, but shit isn't adding up right to me with regard to the Hunt family. I hear how much southern charm they carry, all the while scrutiny seems to permeate the atmosphere at 1 arrowhead.

Chiefs=Good
10-28-2012, 10:00 PM
Continue the good fight jwhit my man. Im so excited about the prospect of emulating the colts next year. New gm, new coach, new qb, new defense and hope.

keg in kc
10-28-2012, 10:05 PM
I still question what kind of resources any GM here is or will ever be given. Which is not intended to be a statement of any sort of leniency towards Pioli or the job he's failed to do. I just think that the next GM may end up looking an awful lot like the current GM and the GM before him, where the marching orders that get the guy hired will continue to be basically "do as much as you can with what little you have to work with".

BigRedChief
10-28-2012, 10:06 PM
You have been hanging here long enough to know we are not shy about calling you out.

It's not about the $600. I don't think anyone finds that money a major factor in SOC. It's much more important to have your verbal support. We feel voiceless. You give voice to ours on a national level. And that Mr. jwhit rocks.

smittysbar
10-28-2012, 10:07 PM
You have been hanging here long enough to know we are not shy about calling you out.

It's not about the $600. I don't think anyone finds that as important as your support. We feel voiceless. You give voice to ours on a national level. And that Mr. jwhit rocks.

This :clap::clap:

ChiefsCountry
10-28-2012, 10:09 PM
People here becoming too protective of me. You guys should still call bullshit on me and are free to disagree with my opinions. I'm no different from anyone else. The $600 bucks did not come with strings attached. A little criticism won't stop my support of making your voices heard.

Come on you have been here long enough to know when people will call you out.

L.A. Chieffan
10-28-2012, 10:11 PM
Fuck you Fatlock.

There. Feel better?

Phobia
10-28-2012, 10:16 PM
I don't understand why the other thread was locked either.

I don't either. Seemed relevant to me.

GoHuge
10-28-2012, 11:51 PM
Wonder what JWhit would be saying right now if Pioli was black? I'm being serious.

jwhit
10-29-2012, 12:24 AM
Wonder what JWhit would be saying right now if Pioli was black? I'm being serious.


I love this stuff. So clueless.

I'd give him the same protection I provided Turner Gill.

Pawnmower
10-29-2012, 12:25 AM
lots of people actually enjoy the smell of their own farts

fire_egoli
10-29-2012, 12:25 AM
I love this stuff. So clueless.

I'd give him the same protection I provided Turner Gill.

obama or romney?

T-post Tom
10-29-2012, 12:48 AM
Wonder what JWhit would be saying right now if Pioli was black? I'm being serious.

obama or romney?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4LFH4b8LNm8/UD-3JgVDAdI/AAAAAAAAAi0/k4tKeaPXr3o/s1600/facepalm.jpg

NJChiefsFan
10-29-2012, 12:52 AM
I love this stuff. So clueless.

I'd give him the same protection I provided Turner Gill.

And Jeremy Lin? Have a hard time believing you would be cool with a joke being made like that towards an African American.

Either way I don't really care about that. Just not sure the hints towards that are totally clueless. Doesn't matter. Every man or child that can handle a gun needs to be at the front lines, no questions asked.

-King-
10-29-2012, 12:53 AM
God damn...is this dude a regular poster now?

Psyko Tek
10-29-2012, 01:09 AM
I think it's proof that Clark was committed and promised to give Pioli exactly what Pioli felt he needed to win. This proves that the problem is Pioli. He had the leverage to get everything he felt was necessary to win. This season can't be blamed on Clark not providing Pioli the resources. I like this column and I'm not embarrassed by it. Not sure why the thread was locked.

at the time it all seemed like a great idea
he was the executive of the year
now he is the why the fuck does he still have a job?

Psyko Tek
10-29-2012, 01:14 AM
At the time it happened, landing Pioli was a huge win. No one can fault Clark for that move.

Problem is everyone thought we were getting a guy that could build a race car. Turns out he's just a guy that was in the garage when it was done.

But now is when Clark needs to shoulder some of the blame. He got fooled the second time when he believed Haley was the problem. How much farther down does he allow the team to be taken before he changes something.

yeah billicheck asks for a 9/16th open end, piloi gives him a crescent wrench

in KC he has been using robo grips and thinks they are the right tools
how the fuck does a coach that answers questions I don't know still have a job
5 years in arrowwood to the raiders
jebus

Phobia
10-29-2012, 01:47 AM
@jwhit - That thread was probably locked because we have a policy regarding bumping ancient threads without a compelling reason. But there was a good reason so it's unlocked now. I can merge these two without it jacking the flow too much or whatever. Doesn't matter to me either way. For the record, I don't think anybody is protecting you. I mean, we're grateful you threr pioli under the bus, pimped SOC, and kicked in some bucks for the banners but now one of our biggest idiots has put up a grand and he definitely isn't getting any special treatment.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-29-2012, 01:51 AM
@jwhit - That thread was probably locked because we have a policy regarding bumping ancient threads without a compelling reason. But there was a good reason so it's unlocked now. I can merge these two without it jacking the flow too much or whatever. Doesn't matter to me either way. For the record, I don't think anybody is protecting you. I mean, we're grateful you threr pioli under the bus, pimped SOC, and kicked in some bucks for the banners but now one of our biggest idiots has put up a grand and he definitely isn't getting any special treatment.

Who's the Idiot?

Phobia
10-29-2012, 01:54 AM
Who's the Idiot?

Hugh Janus - formerly kcchiefsfan50/50 or whatever.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-29-2012, 01:55 AM
Hugh Janus - formerly kcchiefsfan50/50 or whatever.

Ahhh, nice.

SPchief
10-29-2012, 01:56 AM
@jwhit - That thread was probably locked because we have a policy regarding bumping ancient threads without a compelling reason. But there was a good reason so it's unlocked now. I can merge these two without it jacking the flow too much or whatever. Doesn't matter to me either way. For the record, I don't think anybody is protecting you. I mean, we're grateful you threr pioli under the bus, pimped SOC, and kicked in some bucks for the banners but now one of our biggest idiots has put up a grand and he definitely isn't getting any special treatment.

Heh, I hope someone gives him (50/50) a (very) brief vacation just for the hell of it.

FAX
10-29-2012, 02:04 AM
I'm astonished. This thread-locking behavior is unlike that we have come to expect from our fabulously talented mods.

Nevertheless, it provided an opportunity for you to turn attention back to your own glorious self, Mr. jwhit, so there is that ...

As for Pioli, what more need to be said? Pioli has never beaten the Faiders at Arrowhead. Our arch-rivals now own our ass and the keys to our home field. We are once again the laughing stock of the NFL and are establishing records that are, in the era of parity, supposedly impossible to achieve.

Still, it is puzzling how supportive the fans continue to be under the circumstances. Most Chiefs fans would never give an alcoholic a drink or prep a hit for a junkie. Yet they are serial enablers when it comes to Pioli and Clark. Every ticket sold is another reinforcement that the FO can get away with running this franchise into oblivion along with themselves. Intervention is what's needed. If Pioli wants to destroy himself, let him do it elsewhere. I don't want to watch.

FAX

rtmike
10-29-2012, 03:09 AM
Wonder what JWhit would be saying right now if Pioli was black? I'm being serious.

Really?

My guess is you don't read Whitlock's columns' much?

whoman69
10-29-2012, 07:41 AM
Pioli is way too mired in his ways. He is horrible in reacting (non-reacting) to adversity. Even after all this time he is still picking up Belichick's turds and smelling them. He took all the bad things about the Browns/Patriots formula and implemented them here in KC where there's nary a wrapper to be found.

Easy 6
10-29-2012, 07:43 AM
Many slaps on the back for Mr. Janus.

Manila-Chief
10-29-2012, 08:33 AM
Thanks Jason! I agree, most all of us were excited about the hire. Also, I agree with you that Hunt has given Pioli all he needs. He is just not very good at his job. Yep, Hunt seems to be complicit in some of the stuff going on inside the FO, but I see that as supporting his GM.

Doubt if you have the means of doing this, but I'd like to know where Haley and Pioli differed over personnel issues. Is it possible that Haley is a better scout and really wanted better players. Haley could have been a much improved coach were a few different choices made.

Oh!!! Thanks for your support!

Mr. Arrowhead
10-29-2012, 08:34 AM
Hey Jwhit, Do you still like Pioli? do you still like him a lot?

Radar Chief
10-29-2012, 09:02 AM
Wonder what JWhit would be saying right now if Pioli was black? I'm being serious.

Might as well ask what Jason would be saying about Romeo if he were white.
Iíve never known Jason to pause even momentarily to criticize a black athlete/coach when they deserved it.

Stanley Nickels
10-29-2012, 09:09 AM
jwhit- I bumped that old thread. I thought it contained a really interesting perspective, in hindsight, of how even Pioli's most vociferous of critics was initially highly supportive of his signing. I think it only validates your story of "the dinner", as you clearly didn't show any ill-will from the get-go and were simply looking for a reason to dislike the guy. And, further, I think you're right to say that Clark DID make every attempt to put this franchise in a great position to win.

I wanted to say all of those things, but I didn't.

Instead, I bumped it with "LOL", as if I was a child poking fun at you for once believing in Pioli, like you should've portended the rise of Egoli, or have seen through what was inarguably the best resume--ON PAPER-- of any GM candidate. It really was a poor way to bump a nearly four year-old thread, and I don't really blame the mods for the lock.

But I'm glad you brought it up. It is a MAJOR sign of integrity and self-respect to allow and encourage others to critique your work, because that is the most effective way to critique, and therefore improve, yourself. So, much respect to you for that.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-29-2012, 09:41 AM
But when it comes to the Patriots and success, we just donít know where Belichick ends and everybody else begins. The Patriots are like the Jackson 5, and Belichick is Michael Jackson. Crennel and Weis proved to be Tito and Jackie.


LMAO

Aaaaaaaaand FIN.

Kerberos
10-29-2012, 11:01 AM
Obumma or Robme?

FYP

Woodchuck
10-29-2012, 11:05 AM
I look at this article and think about how great things seemed when we got Pioli. At the time, he was the best money could buy. Now I think about how fans think Marc Ross or Bill Cowher are probably the greatest canidates right now. The truth is that they could bomb just as bad. Hell, Geno Smith could bomb.

If there is one thing we should learn from all of this it's that nothing is guaranteed in this business.

Not Pioli

Not Eric Winston

Not Eric Berry

The smartest thing we can do as fans is keep our expectations low with the future hirings, signings, and draft picks imo.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-29-2012, 11:10 AM
I look at this article and think about how great things seemed when we got Pioli. At the time, he was the best money could buy. Now I think about how fans think Marc Ross or Bill Cowher are probably the greatest canidates right now. The truth is that they could bomb just as bad. Hell, Geno Smith could bomb.

If there is one thing we should learn from all of this it's that nothing is guaranteed in this business.

Not Pioli

Not Eric Winston

Not Eric Berry

The smartest thing we can do as fans is keep our expectations low with the future hirings, signings, and draft picks imo.

Uh, yeah/no.

saphojunkie
10-29-2012, 11:17 AM
Bill Belichick is Joe Jackson.

Tom Brady is Michael.

Matt Cassel is Latoya.