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HonestChieffan
10-29-2012, 11:28 AM
Dedication for sure. Amazing photo

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/sent-550x513.jpg

L.A. Chieffan
10-29-2012, 11:30 AM
Whats up with that sign language translator at the Bloomberg conference? HAHA

Bowser
10-29-2012, 11:31 AM
Awesome

Marco Polo
10-29-2012, 11:40 AM
+1

theelusiveeightrop
10-29-2012, 11:47 AM
Pretty cool.

jiveturkey
10-29-2012, 12:03 PM
Very cool.

Thanks for sharing.

saphojunkie
10-29-2012, 12:05 PM
Whats up with that sign language translator at the Bloomberg conference? HAHA

Deaf people should be used as flotation devices! Herp derp.

L.A. Chieffan
10-29-2012, 12:09 PM
Apparently pic wasnt taken today.

Still cool photo.

Fish
10-29-2012, 12:11 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

SuperChief
10-29-2012, 12:12 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

I think the sentiment is that these soldiers WANT to be there, no matter what. It's a very high honor to be guarding this tomb.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-29-2012, 12:17 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

no one makes them do anything. they all volunteer.

Deberg_1990
10-29-2012, 12:18 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

You cant apply common sense to military traditions, customs and courtesies.

Its a show of respect, these guys know full well what the job entails and do so willingly.

Bravo to them.

Braincase
10-29-2012, 12:21 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

The guys standing guard know they have friends and fellows that have it a lot worse off than they do somewhere else in the world. It's for them and those that came before them that they stand watch.

gblowfish
10-29-2012, 12:21 PM
I've been to Arlington before. The tomb detail is considered elite service. You have to be the best of the best to get that assignment. Very great honor to be chosen to serve there.

ThaVirus
10-29-2012, 12:38 PM
Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?

DaFace
10-29-2012, 12:43 PM
Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_unknowns

J Diddy
10-29-2012, 12:44 PM
Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?

Are you serious? First, I can say, obviously, they are unknown. Second google unknown soldier and read all about it.

vailpass
10-29-2012, 12:46 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

You are right Fish. You don't understand.

L.A. Chieffan
10-29-2012, 12:47 PM
Apparently pic wasnt taken today.

Still cool photo.

Picture taken September 18th.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/25447106_rRDwDr#!i=2095592651&k=7L4hN9m

L.A. Chieffan
10-29-2012, 12:49 PM
My bad, here you go

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.515517068472407.121621.109701809053937&type=1

Brock
10-29-2012, 12:50 PM
Picture taken September 18th.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/25447106_rRDwDr#!i=2095592651&k=7L4hN9m

The "park" may be closed, but the watch continues.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/29/standing-guard-through-hurricane-sandy-at-tomb-of-the-unkown-soldier/

L.A. Chieffan
10-29-2012, 12:54 PM
The "park" may be closed, but the watch continues.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/29/standing-guard-through-hurricane-sandy-at-tomb-of-the-unkown-soldier/

Yup. As my post right above this one says. Very cool.

Its just the top photo was taken a month and half ago in a rain storm. Props to The Old Guard for letting everyone know right away

Fish
10-29-2012, 12:55 PM
It just seems really odd to me that something like this would rise to the top as the most honorable and respected service in the military. Again, please excuse my ignorance, but I would think that the most elite and respected servicemen would want to do something other than standing like a statue all day guarding a cemetery. Just the thought of taking an otherwise boring, uneventful, and potentially shitty job like standing in the rain guarding dead people, and making it the most prized and respected duty, just doesn't make sense. And there's got to be a point where it's a danger to these guys, to stand out there. I mean, if a tornado rolls right through there, are these guys expected to die because of this tradition? Or would they be justified in running like hell?

vailpass
10-29-2012, 12:55 PM
My bad, here you go

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.515517068472407.121621.109701809053937&type=1

:thumb:

vailpass
10-29-2012, 12:57 PM
It just seems really odd to me that something like this would rise to the top as the most honorable and respected service in the military. Again, please excuse my ignorance, but I would think that the most elite and respected servicemen would want to do something other than standing like a statue all day guarding a cemetery. Just the thought of taking an otherwise boring, uneventful, and potentially shitty job like standing in the rain guarding dead people, and making it the most prized and respected duty, just doesn't make sense. And there's got to be a point where it's a danger to these guys, to stand out there. I mean, if a tornado rolls right through there, are these guys expected to die because of this tradition? Or would they be justified in running like hell?

If you ever get the chance take a visit to Arlington. The Gaurd is one part of the gravity and majesty of the place.

Raiderhader
10-29-2012, 01:00 PM
It just seems really odd to me that something like this would rise to the top as the most honorable and respected service in the military. Again, please excuse my ignorance, but I would think that the most elite and respected servicemen would want to do something other than standing like a statue all day guarding a cemetery. Just the thought of taking an otherwise boring, uneventful, and potentially shitty job like standing in the rain guarding dead people, and making it the most prized and respected duty, just doesn't make sense. And there's got to be a point where it's a danger to these guys, to stand out there. I mean, if a tornado rolls right through there, are these guys expected to die because of this tradition? Or would they be justified in running like hell?

They are not just guarding "dead people". My god. They are watching over their brothers and sisters.

Fish
10-29-2012, 01:00 PM
The tomb has been guarded continuously since 1937. Service in the 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) is considered to be an assignment of the highest honor for soldiers. Their dedication to the duty is so strong that when Hurricane Isabel approached, the soldiers were ordered to seek safety. It was an order they disobeyed, and the Tomb was guarded throughout the storm.

OK, so evidently they aren't ordered to stay in dangerous weather. And in fact they disobeyed orders during Hurricane Isabel, and stood post during the storm.

This is even more confusing.....

Old Dog
10-29-2012, 01:02 PM
I'm not trying to be an ass here Fish, but it's one of those things you just aren't going to understand.

blaise
10-29-2012, 01:04 PM
It just seems really odd to me that something like this would rise to the top as the most honorable and respected service in the military. Again, please excuse my ignorance, but I would think that the most elite and respected servicemen would want to do something other than standing like a statue all day guarding a cemetery. Just the thought of taking an otherwise boring, uneventful, and potentially shitty job like standing in the rain guarding dead people, and making it the most prized and respected duty, just doesn't make sense. And there's got to be a point where it's a danger to these guys, to stand out there. I mean, if a tornado rolls right through there, are these guys expected to die because of this tradition? Or would they be justified in running like hell?

No offense, but this may be the worst post I've ever read.

Raiderhader
10-29-2012, 01:06 PM
If you ever get the chance take a visit to Arlington. The Gaurd is one part of the gravity and majesty of the place.

Very much so.

LVNHACK
10-29-2012, 01:07 PM
Literature, Direkshun and Saulbadguy....am I right...?

Fish
10-29-2012, 01:08 PM
I'm not trying to be an ass here Fish, but it's one of those things you just aren't going to understand.

Yes, I think you are right. I'm not trying to be an ass either. Please excuse my ignorance.

LVNHACK
10-29-2012, 01:09 PM
OK, so evidently they aren't ordered to stay in dangerous weather. And in fact they disobeyed orders during Hurricane Isabel, and stood post during the storm.

This is even more confusing.....

Dude....Somethings you're just not gonna understand....

L.A. Chieffan
10-29-2012, 01:11 PM
KC Fish is a robot made by Apple.

blaise
10-29-2012, 01:13 PM
KC Fish, just in case you didn't know- they don't stand there for hours on end. Guys rotate in and out every half hour or so. There's a little room of some kind they have under the building, too. So, one group is out there and then another comes out, so the other ones can go inside.

DaFace
10-29-2012, 01:13 PM
Yes, I think you are right. I'm not trying to be an ass either. Please excuse my ignorance.

It's certainly symbolic rather than logical. But the symbolism is that they're keeping guard over all of those who have been killed, but never identified, in wars over our country's entire history. The Tomb is, by far, the most revered grave in the U.S. and is treated as such.

It's not completely unlike guards at Buckingham Palace in England. Those are largely symbolic as well. We just choose to symbolically guard those who gave their lives for this country rather than monarchs.

blaise
10-29-2012, 01:14 PM
If you're never seen it it's pretty awesome when they change guards. It the one must-see thing if you're in the DC area, in my opinion.

Strongside
10-29-2012, 01:15 PM
If you're never seen it it's pretty awesome when they change guards. It the one must-see thing if you're in the DC area, in my opinion.

Yeah it's pretty incredible, for sure.

Radar Chief
10-29-2012, 01:22 PM
Yes, I think you are right. I'm not trying to be an ass either. Please excuse my ignorance.

It would probably help to look up the history of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, understand what it represents.

blaise
10-29-2012, 01:24 PM
Now, a weatherman standing outside in a hurricane? That's stupid.

Count Alex's Losses
10-29-2012, 01:26 PM
Those guys need to go be safe with their families.

We didn't send people to die in wars aboard to let people die at home due to standing in front of Hurricanes.

DaFace
10-29-2012, 01:31 PM
Those guys need to go be safe with their families.

We didn't send people to die in wars aboard to let people die at home due to standing in front of Hurricanes.

I'd generally agree, but you're not going to convince the guards to do it.

FAX
10-29-2012, 01:32 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

They guard the tomb out of respect, Mr. KC Fish. There really isn't any more to it than that and they require no other reason.

But I fear that, as time goes on, the concept of respect becomes stranger and makes less sense to more people. In fact, I would venture to say that respect is something that few people truly understand anymore.

You know, the ancient Greeks had this extremely important concept called "sophrosyne". Unfortunately, that word can no longer be translated by any single English word.

This quality, "sophrosyne" was, to the Greeks, an ideal second to none in importance. But it is no longer counted among our ideals. We have simply lost the conception of it. We can sort of describe its parts (after a fashion), but we cannot name it or properly define it. It is a human quality that, once revered, no longer exists.

I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

FAX

stevieray
10-29-2012, 01:34 PM
If you're never seen it it's pretty awesome when they change guards. It the one must-see thing if you're in the DC area, in my opinion.

I served with a guy who had that assignment....it is nothing short of incredible.

stevieray
10-29-2012, 01:36 PM
But I fear that, as time goes on, the concept of respect becomes stranger and makes less sense to more people. In fact, I would venture to say that respect is something that few people truly understand anymore.



FAX

..sadly, it's already happening...going into Arrowhead yesterday....NA starts..I stop and put my hand on my heart....was about the only one ..hundreds didn't stop...it was like it meant nothing....:(

Sorter
10-29-2012, 01:36 PM
I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

FAX

That will be a sad day indeed.

loochy
10-29-2012, 01:37 PM
They guard the tomb out of respect, Mr. KC Fish. There really isn't any more to it than that and they require no other reason.

But I fear that, as time goes on, the concept of respect becomes stranger and makes less sense to more people. In fact, I would venture to say that respect is something that few people truly understand anymore.

You know, the ancient Greeks had this extremely important concept called "sophrosyne". Unfortunately, that word can no longer be translated by any single English word.

This quality, "sophrosyne" was, to the Greeks, an ideal second to none in importance. But it is no longer counted among our ideals. We have simply lost the conception of it. We can sort of describe its parts (after a fashion), but we cannot name it or properly define it. It is a human quality that, once revered, no longer exists.

I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

FAX

It's not the idea of respect, it's the idea that THAT is how respect manifests itself

Radar Chief
10-29-2012, 01:38 PM
I served with a guy who had that assignment....it is nothing short of incredible.

I have an old friend that used to be a Tomb guard. He had a big part in my joining the Army when I did.
The way he describes it the attention to detail not just on their uniforms but in each and every movement they make while on guard is truly incredible.

ForeverChiefs58
10-29-2012, 01:38 PM
Guarding the unknown tomb is such an amazing and honored tradition. Here is photos of The Old Guard as they watch over the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier during hurricane Irene:

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Snapz-Pro-XScreenSnapz0197-620x415.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Snapz-Pro-XScreenSnapz0208-620x409.jpg

For those that don't know, Soldiers of “The Old Guard” maintain a 24-hour vigil at the Tomb of the Unknowns (Tomb of the Unknown Soldier), provide military funeral escorts at Arlington National Cemetery and participate in parades at Fort Myer and Fort Lesley J. McNair.


“While on duty the Tomb Sentinel crosses a 63-foot rubber surfaced walkway in exactly 21 steps. He then faces the Tomb for 21 seconds, turns again, and pauses an additional 21 seconds before retracing his steps.

The 21 is symbolic of the highest salute according to dignitaries in military and state ceremonies.”

Awesome.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4898252063769249&pid=15.1

Fish
10-29-2012, 01:43 PM
It's not the idea of respect, it's the idea that THAT is how respect manifests itself

Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.

scho63
10-29-2012, 01:43 PM
I ride through Arlington National Cemetery at least once every 3-4 months. It is a humbling experience

stevieray
10-29-2012, 01:44 PM
I have an old friend that used to be a Tomb guard. He had a big part in my joining the Army when I did.
The way he describes it the attention to detail not just on their uniforms but in each and every movement they make while on guard is truly incredible.

:thumb:

I had the same experience....taps on the shoes, etc.

mikey23545
10-29-2012, 01:47 PM
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

You've already voted early for Obama, right?

blaise
10-29-2012, 01:48 PM
Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.

What do you want them to do, just put up a plaque that everyone will ignore?

FAX
10-29-2012, 01:56 PM
Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?

ROFL

Filed under questions even I wouldn't ask.

FAX

FAX
10-29-2012, 02:00 PM
I ride through Arlington National Cemetery at least once every 3-4 months. It is a humbling experience

If you've lost someone dear to you in a war, the Tomb and the Cemetery are sometimes difficult to take. Tears come from nowhere. Uncontrollable emotion. Great sadness. Unspeakable gratitude.

It's a powerful place. I'm glad its there, but I have a very hard time going there.

FAX

Fish
10-29-2012, 02:01 PM
What do you want them to do, just put up a plaque that everyone will ignore?

No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..

FAX
10-29-2012, 02:05 PM
No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..

Sometimes it helps looking at it another way. Were they to leave the Tomb unattended, to those men it would feel like abandonment or desertion. They know that those remains could be anyone and they represent everyone.

To leave would be to dishonor their memory.

Therefore, no leaving.

FAX

stevieray
10-29-2012, 02:09 PM
No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..
revolutionary soldiers endured extremely harsh winter weather..adverse conditions do not override the call to duty...in fact, they demand it...

....the day we fail to remember those who have given their life for something bigger than themselves, is the day we lose our soul as a Nation.

JMO

Woodchuck
10-29-2012, 02:09 PM
What if they just sat in their car or something? They would still be there for all technical purposes. ROFL

I'm just kidding. it's really cool what they do.

ForeverChiefs58
10-29-2012, 02:12 PM
http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/-images/2007/11/06/10046/army.mil-2007-11-07-110143.jpg
The remains of the Unknown Soldier is committed to the ground during the burial services at Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, VA November 11 1921. (WW1 Signal Corps Collection).

Woodchuck
10-29-2012, 02:14 PM
The remains of the Unknown Soldier is committed to the ground during the burial services at Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, VA November 11 1921. (WW1 Signal Corps Collection).

I think they finally figured out who the soldier was didn't they? He's been taken out and given a proper burial if I remember right.

demonhero
10-29-2012, 02:56 PM
I think they finally figured out who the soldier was didn't they? He's been taken out and given a proper burial if I remember right.

Nope.. you are referring to the Tomb of the Unknowns. FYI, the Tomb of the Unknowns contains the remains of unidentified servicemen from several U.S.A. conflicts.

ForeverChiefs58
10-29-2012, 03:04 PM
I think they finally figured out who the soldier was didn't they? He's been taken out and given a proper burial if I remember right.

It was for the vietnam tomb. In the late 1990's I believe they found who it is through DNA and removed his remains

ForeverChiefs58
10-29-2012, 03:07 PM
The Tomb was placed at the head of the grave of the World War I Unknown. West of this grave are the crypts of Unknowns from World War II (south) and Korea (north). Between the two lies a crypt that once contained an Unknown from Vietnam (middle). His remains were positively identified in 1998 through DNA testing as First Lieutenant Michael Blassie, United States Air Force and were removed. Those three graves are marked with white marble slabs flush with the plaza.

The Tomb has a flat-faced form and is relieved at the corners and along the sides by neo-classical pilasters set into the surface with objects and inscription carved into the sides. The 1931 symbolism of the objects on the north, south and east sides changed over time.

North and South panel with 3 wreaths on each side represent (in 1931) "a world of memories" but later the six major battles engaged in by American forces in France; Ardennes, Belleau Wood, Chateau-Thierry, Meusse-Argonne, Oisiu-Eiseu, and Somme. Each wreath has 38 leaves and 12 berries. East panel that faces Washington, D.C., are three Greek figures representing Peace, Victory, and "American Manhood" but later "Valor" instead of "American Manhood"

Western panel is inscribed the words (centered on the panel):

HERE RESTS IN
HONORED GLORY
AN AMERICAN
SOLDIER
KNOWN BUT TO GOD

DaFace
10-29-2012, 03:14 PM
Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.

Again, I agree - it's not logical. But if you have trouble understanding the purpose of guarding the Tomb of the Unknowns, I'd imagine you'd have similar feelings toward just about every monument we have. After all, what does a giant, phallic hunk of rock have to do with George Washington for example? Monuments are strange things - they exist purely to give us something to remember.

In this case, the only difference is that it's so important for us to remember that its existence isn't enough to elevate it as high as is warranted, so we (as a country) have determined it requires the addition of a symbolic "guard" to emphasize its importance even more.

NJChiefsFan
10-29-2012, 03:25 PM
Again, I agree - it's not logical. But if you have trouble understanding the purpose of guarding the Tomb of the Unknowns, I'd imagine you'd have similar feelings toward just about every monument we have. After all, what does a giant, phallic hunk of rock have to do with George Washington for example? Monuments are strange things - they exist purely to give us something to remember.

In this case, the only difference is that it's so important for us to remember that its existence isn't enough to elevate it as high as is warranted, so we (as a country) have determined it requires the addition of a symbolic "guard" to emphasize its importance even more.

Yeah. Most monuments while honoring others, are really in the end, for us. This monument is one that really was and still is meant for others, whether they can someone know it or not.

Fat Elvis
10-29-2012, 03:35 PM
Not a Hurricane Sandy photo. But then again, what do you expect from Dishonestchieffan?

kcmaxwell
10-29-2012, 03:41 PM
..sadly, it's already happening...going into Arrowhead yesterday....NA starts..I stop and put my hand on my heart....was about the only one ..hundreds didn't stop...it was like it meant nothing....:(

That shit irritates the hell outta me! "Take off your damn hat and shut the hell up!"

Fish
10-29-2012, 03:44 PM
Again, I agree - it's not logical. But if you have trouble understanding the purpose of guarding the Tomb of the Unknowns, I'd imagine you'd have similar feelings toward just about every monument we have. After all, what does a giant, phallic hunk of rock have to do with George Washington for example? Monuments are strange things - they exist purely to give us something to remember.

In this case, the only difference is that it's so important for us to remember that its existence isn't enough to elevate it as high as is warranted, so we (as a country) have determined it requires the addition of a symbolic "guard" to emphasize its importance even more.

This makes sense to me. Thanks.

ForeverChiefs58
10-29-2012, 05:17 PM
Not a Hurricane Sandy photo. But then again, what do you expect from Dishonestchieffan?

This stupid post is so full of fail.

Dayze
10-29-2012, 08:02 PM
..sadly, it's already happening...going into Arrowhead yesterday....NA starts..I stop and put my hand on my heart....was about the only one ..hundreds didn't stop...it was like it meant nothing....:(

My wife and I were walking the concourse at the Royals game last year, and we heard the NA begin. Without even saying something to each other, we stopped and removed our hats and place them over our hearts and faced the flag (where we thought it would be).

Meanwhile asshats walked by, and even grumbled to us to get out of the way. Though, we did have an ol timer shake our hands afterwards. Made my day.

Dayze - USN VFA 22 / CVN 70 USS Varl Vinson: 1996-2000

Rain Man
10-29-2012, 08:09 PM
I hope they have the names of those guards in case they get killed in the hurricane.

ThaVirus
10-29-2012, 09:38 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_unknowns

Thank you. I was on my phone and didn't feel like doing research.

Are you serious? First, I can say, obviously, they are unknown. Second google unknown soldier and read all about it.

I had never heard of the tomb before..

Seems odd to me that they can remain unknown. I mean, don't they have records of who's in the military? Wouldn't a higher ranking officer or member if their platoon or whatever notice they were missing and report it? Couldn't they figure out who they were just by process of elimination?

R8RFAN
10-29-2012, 09:41 PM
Thank you. I was on my phone and didn't feel like doing research.



I had never heard of the tomb before..

Seems odd to me that they can remain unknown. I mean, don't they have records of who's in the military? Wouldn't a higher ranking officer or member if their platoon or whatever notice they were missing and report it? Couldn't they figure out who they were just by process of elimination?

They are the ones who have not been identified, the ones blown to bits to protect the people of the United States and even protect the scumbags.

NewChief
10-29-2012, 09:42 PM
I used today to do a little extracurricular education of my students as one, who was obviously on Facebook on her phone looking at this pic, asked me about the Tomb of the Unknown. By the time we finished discussing, there were more than a few misty eyes in the room.

tredadda
10-29-2012, 09:48 PM
I truly understand the dedication of those that serve as a guard even when no one is there because of the hurricane. To do what they do regardless of whether 1000 people are watching or zero are watching is phenomenal. That is why them doing this for their brothers who have fallen but were not forgotten in previous wars is the highest of honors.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2012, 09:51 PM
Thank you. I was on my phone and didn't feel like doing research.



I had never heard of the tomb before..

Seems odd to me that they can remain unknown. I mean, don't they have records of who's in the military? Wouldn't a higher ranking officer or member if their platoon or whatever notice they were missing and report it? Couldn't they figure out who they were just by process of elimination?

War is Hell. There is no such thing as a moral war. Remember that. Warfare should only be used when all other means have been exhausted.

HonestChieffan
10-29-2012, 10:09 PM
I went to Europe three years ago on a WW2 tour. We went to American, brit, and German cemeteries. Its amazing the number of graves noted as an unknown soldier. Our effort reflects respect to all not just those from the US

GloryDayz
10-29-2012, 10:11 PM
It just seems really odd to me that something like this would rise to the top as the most honorable and respected service in the military. Again, please excuse my ignorance, but I would think that the most elite and respected servicemen would want to do something other than standing like a statue all day guarding a cemetery. Just the thought of taking an otherwise boring, uneventful, and potentially shitty job like standing in the rain guarding dead people, and making it the most prized and respected duty, just doesn't make sense. And there's got to be a point where it's a danger to these guys, to stand out there. I mean, if a tornado rolls right through there, are these guys expected to die because of this tradition? Or would they be justified in running like hell?

It's awesome, just leave it at that. As for the tornado, maybe this picture answers your question without words. It's just a matter of intensity. Maybe they'd run, maybe they'd stay. Here's the question (if there really is one), what might you do?

I've known one guy who had this duty.... He thought it was like looking into the eyes of God. How's that for liking your job!

Agree or not, there are awesome men standing their watch. And it may not be on the front lines, it's where they are.... I love these guys, whomever they are! And I thank them for their service too!

listopencil
10-29-2012, 10:20 PM
the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather


You have to be trolling.

stevieray
10-29-2012, 10:22 PM
I truly understand the dedication of those that serve as a guard even when no one is there because of the hurricane. To do what they do regardless of whether 1000 people are watching or zero are watching is phenomenal. That is why them doing this for their brothers who have fallen but were not forgotten in previous wars is the highest of honors.

....from what I've been told, it is highly sought after and very hard to get the assignment.

and rightly so....


...USMC Silent Drill Team at Arrowhead yesterday....whoa...best thing on the field all day....phenomenal!

GloryDayz
10-29-2012, 10:27 PM
Again, I agree - it's not logical. But if you have trouble understanding the purpose of guarding the Tomb of the Unknowns, I'd imagine you'd have similar feelings toward just about every monument we have. After all, what does a giant, phallic hunk of rock have to do with George Washington for example? Monuments are strange things - they exist purely to give us something to remember.

In this case, the only difference is that it's so important for us to remember that its existence isn't enough to elevate it as high as is warranted, so we (as a country) have determined it requires the addition of a symbolic "guard" to emphasize its importance even more.

Add a of bits to that... Those who lost loved ones and had nothing to bury and the belief of an after-life (if there is one) for those who did come home (often times a very hard thing to deal with). It's important to have a reminder that we'll never give up, never forget, never stop trying, to find an honor those who didn't come home. For bones in a grave it may mean little, but for those who sacrificed their loved one whom might be what's represented in that crypt, it's nice to know that they'll be forever remembered and thought of respectfully. And for those who have returned without all their brother's in arms, memorials like this mean a lot. They have a place to visualize and in some cases exercise their pain.

I'm not sure about the after-life, but I know if you've ever been part of it, even if to just see these memorials, "The Wall", The WW-I memorial, the WW-II, the Korean War" memorials, or "The Tomb" it's humbling.

So I think these monuments mean as much to those who returned as for those who lost somebody who didn't return. And for them, it's priceless. As for the country, if it were just a brown sign on the side of the road showing that some guys came this way as they traveled west, would it mean much? Both important, both meaningful, but in reality....not...

Dayze
10-29-2012, 10:35 PM
Fuckin A . Nice man

ThaVirus
10-29-2012, 11:59 PM
War is Hell. There is no such thing as a moral war. Remember that. Warfare should only be used when all other means have been exhausted.

Umm.. Ok?

FAX
10-30-2012, 12:07 AM
... Warfare should only be used when all other means have been exhausted.

Or ... until somebody steals your grilled cheese sandwich.

Because it takes friggin' time to make a decent grilled cheese sandwich. It isn't like you slam some meat and mayonnaise and pickles between some bread. You have to cook a grilled cheese sandwich and you have to clean up after making a grilled cheese sandwich and while you're cooking a grilled cheese sandwich you have to be careful to avoid burning your grilled cheese sandwich and you damn sure don't want your grilled cheese sandwich to be under-done because then you might as well just have a cheese sandwich.

FAX

stevieray
10-30-2012, 12:13 AM
Or ... until somebody steals your grilled cheese sandwich.

Because it takes friggin' time to make a decent grilled cheese sandwich. It isn't like you slam some meat and mayonnaise and pickles between some bread. You have to cook a grilled cheese sandwich and you have to clean up after making a grilled cheese sandwich and while you're cooking a grilled cheese sandwich you have to be careful to avoid burning your grilled cheese sandwich and you damn sure don't want your grilled cheese sandwich to be under-done because then you might as well just have a cheese sandwich.

FAX

butter that bread!

grilled cheese and mater soup.....mmmmm.

KILLER_CLOWN
10-30-2012, 01:03 AM
7 Fake Hurricane Sandy Photos You’re Sharing on Social Media
Annie Colbert October 29, 2012 by Annie Colbert

Fake Hurricane Sandy photos flew around Twitter and Facebook on Monday, as users shared jaw-dropping images. Unfortunately, the race to post the most striking pics has most folks skipping the all-important fact check.

We’ve gathered up five “Hurricane Sandy” photographs that have spread on the social web, but weren’t actually taken during the massive storm.

Have you spotted a fake photograph? Tell us in the comments below.
1. Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

Soldiers weather hurricane conditions at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

The moving photo purporting to show soldiers standing guard at the Arlington National Cemetery monument during Hurricane Sandy quickly spread on the social web. But the Old Guard pointed out that the photo was actually a shot taken in September.

On Facebook, the group shared a real image taken during the early hours of the storm.

http://4.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Hurricane-Sandy-tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier.jpg

more at this link http://mashable.com/2012/10/29/fake-hurricane-sandy-photos/

La literatura
10-30-2012, 07:37 AM
Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?

Ulysses S. Grant.

HMc
10-30-2012, 07:54 AM
Umm.. Ok?


ROFL

your post..his response...so confusing

The Iron Chief
10-30-2012, 10:36 AM
If you ever get the chance take a visit to Arlington. The Gaurd is one part of the gravity and majesty of the place.

This^

Once you've been there,once you've watched the changing of the gaurds, You'll then understand and get it.
I've been there twice.
This past summer was the last time with my two boys(8,12).
If it sends goose bumps up your 12 yr olds arms and he Gets it so would you.

Its a feeling in the air of complete and total respect that almost has to be witnessed to understand.

Radar Chief
10-30-2012, 10:59 AM
I had never heard of the tomb before..

That is truly a shame.

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R8RFAN
10-30-2012, 12:32 PM
And you do not make any noise either ... You will be fucked up

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