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ChiefsandO'sfan
10-29-2012, 10:51 AM
Howard Eskin ‏@howardeskin

#eagles Andy Reid met with coaches after game on sunday to discuss QB situation. Meet again Mon Morn. I'm told likely QB change to Foles.

Simply Red
10-29-2012, 10:52 AM
Do not want.

DJ's left nut
10-29-2012, 10:52 AM
Cassel for Vick.

Done and done. At least Vick would give me something to watch while turning the ball over, as opposed to Cassel who just turns the ball over without having play-making ability.

BoneKrusher
10-29-2012, 10:53 AM
Cassel for Vick.

Done and done. At least Vick would give me something to watch while turning the ball over, as opposed to Cassel who just turns the ball over without having play-making ability.

yeah, Bring him in.

Old Dog
10-29-2012, 10:55 AM
Do not want.

Would possibly win a game or two with him....get our own guy in April

Cave Johnson
10-29-2012, 10:55 AM
Cassel for Vick.

Done and done. At least Vick would give me something to watch while turning the ball over, as opposed to Cassel who just turns the ball over without having play-making ability.

So we can win just enough to move out of Smith/Barkley range? No thanks.

blaise
10-29-2012, 10:56 AM
So Foles will win 5 games and the Chiefs will trade a second rounder for him, and then fail for 3 more years.

BoneKrusher
10-29-2012, 10:56 AM
Do not want.

Would possibly win a game or two with him....get our own guy in April

i dont either, i was just being sarcastic.

Bane
10-29-2012, 10:58 AM
Meh...

Bowser
10-29-2012, 10:58 AM
Cassel for Vick.

Done and done. At least Vick would give me something to watch while turning the ball over, as opposed to Cassel who just turns the ball over without having play-making ability.

Plus, we get the added benefit of watching the Eagles fans unload on Cassel.

mr. tegu
10-29-2012, 11:00 AM
If Vick is getting blasted behind that o-line, what makes them think Foles will do any better. He is going to get destroyed.

Old Dog
10-29-2012, 11:02 AM
Plus, we get the added benefit of watching the Eagles fans unload on Cassel.

OK, how about we give them Cassel for a used "K" ball and two new golf tees. We get the better end of the trade AND get to watch Philly fans disembowel Cassel.

DJ's left nut
10-29-2012, 11:03 AM
If Vick is getting blasted behind that o-line, what makes them think Foles will do any better. He is going to get destroyed.

Yup.

Andy Reid just destroyed Nick Foles' career trying to save his own ass. I don't have any idea how Foles will survive this.

He's an interesting prospect, but he's a slow decisionmaker and isn't fleet of foot, to say the least. He's going to have to lock onto his targets to even get the ball out and he's going to get picked off like crazy.

The Eagles are making a move to spark the team...but it's still a bad move. Foles has less of a chance to win with that team than Vick does.

Death2CasselFans
10-29-2012, 11:40 AM
The Eagles are benching a QB that is better than Cassel and Sanchez

Brock
10-29-2012, 11:42 AM
The Eagles are benching a QB that is better than Cassel and Sanchez

and have a plan B.

DJ's left nut
10-29-2012, 11:46 AM
and have a plan B.

Not really.

They're grasping at straws the same as we are. Foles starting as a rookie behind that line would be a 'plan' in the same way us choosing to run a wildcat for the rest of the year would be.

This isn't going to work. Frankly I think it's completely insane for a team that believes it can win this year (as the Eagles do). Foles has no prayer behind that line and they're going to have to completely re-vamp their system to deal with a RH quarterback and the reverse progressions on account of it.

This isn't a plan, it's a prayer.

Sorter
10-29-2012, 11:52 AM
Not really.

They're grasping at straws the same as we are. Foles starting as a rookie behind that line would be a 'plan' in the same way us choosing to run a wildcat for the rest of the year would be.

This isn't going to work. Frankly I think it's completely insane for a team that believes it can win this year (as the Eagles do). Foles has no prayer behind that line and they're going to have to completely re-vamp their system to deal with a RH quarterback and the reverse progressions on account of it.

This isn't a plan, it's a prayer.
^^^This.

However, reversing the progressions won't be too troubling IMO. The progressions are the same if you just flip the play (typically).

Here is some old Philly plays that should show that.


http://www.footballxos.com/download/offense/pro-offense/2002-Philidelphia-Eagle-Mini-Camp-Andy-Reid-Offense.pdf

SNR
10-29-2012, 12:22 PM
Foles sucks.

Can't wait for some jackass to come storming in here yelling, "DAMN IT PIOLI EAGLES DRAFTED A STARTING QB AND YOU STOOD PAT WITH NOTHING WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU RAAAWWR"

gblowfish
10-29-2012, 12:25 PM
You think Vick is going to want to come anywhere near Leavenworth again? I don't think so!

BossChief
10-29-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't think you guys are giving Foles credit.

The guy has a lot of talent and there was a time he was talked about as a high first round pick.

Sorter
10-29-2012, 12:34 PM
I don't think you guys are giving Foles credit.

The guy has a lot of talent and there was a time he was talked about as a high first round pick.

Unless his decision making and pocket presence has gotten quite a bit better, I can't see sustained success for Foles, especially as a rookie.

That being said, I'll reserve judgement until he plays a full game.

DJ's left nut
10-29-2012, 12:37 PM
I don't think you guys are giving Foles credit.

The guy has a lot of talent and there was a time he was talked about as a high first round pick.

I'm not convinced that Foles will always suck.

But c'mon, the kid isn't ready for prime-time. If he were, he wouldn't have had his draft stock plummet like it did.

People thought he was a turnkey QB. When they realized that he'd take a good deal of development, his stock fell into the third round. Well, he still needs that development and behind a swiss-cheese O-Line on a struggling Philly team ain't the place for OTJ training.

This seems doomed to fail.

SNR
10-29-2012, 12:37 PM
I don't think you guys are giving Foles credit.

The guy has a lot of talent and there was a time he was talked about as a high first round pick.

I never saw his talent come to fruition. And that's also taking into account his shitty college offensive system.

Dude was talked about as a possible first round pick before the season started, and then peoples' opinions turned south. There's a reason why.

You can lump him and Osweiler together. I think both guys will fail miserably in the NFL

Chocolate Hog
10-29-2012, 12:38 PM
I don't think you guys are giving Foles credit.

The guy has a lot of talent and there was a time he was talked about as a high first round pick.

Pioli passed on him so he must be good.

If we're going to hire Chip Kelly might as well jump on the Vick bandwagon I don't see a guy in this draft who can run the Oregon offense

BossChief
10-29-2012, 12:50 PM
I see Foles as more of a traditional qb that might just use all of his weapons mores than Vick did. No way am I writing the kid off. I think he has a real chance to succeed and not take years to do so.

IMO Reid needs to help the kid with playcalling, though.

Misdirection...screens..draws...quick slants and other stuff that can help the OL protect and give the kid time to make good decisions.

Flame me all you want, I think he can be their Flacco.

Garcia Bronco
10-29-2012, 12:52 PM
Andy Reid is a loser....when is he gonna bench himself? Personally wouldnt be able to coach if my son killed himself on my watch. And of course enching the QB when the defense couldn't stop anybody is always a good decision.

Frosty
10-29-2012, 01:01 PM
I see Foles as more of a traditional qb that might just use all of his weapons mores than Vick did. No way am I writing the kid off. I think he has a real chance to succeed and not take years to do so.

IMO Reid needs to help the kid with playcalling, though.

Misdirection...screens..draws...quick slants and other stuff that can help the OL protect and give the kid time to make good decisions.

Flame me all you want, I think he can be their Flacco.

I agree with this. I was high on Foles before the draft and after watching him play with the 1's during preseason, nothing has changed my opinion. It will be interesting to see how he does in a real game.

He'll be at a disadvantage this week, though, if Jackson is out.

smittysbar
10-29-2012, 01:05 PM
Vick has talent, the line he is playing behind make ours look all pro

mr. tegu
10-29-2012, 01:08 PM
Vick has talent, the line he is playing behind make ours look all pro

In addition to the poor o-line, it seems like the offensive scheme compounds problems because all Jackson and to a lesser extent, Maclin, want to do is rund 50 yards downfield to catch the ball. They don't have much of a possession receiver to allow Vick to get rid of the ball quickly. Celek is decent but Vick needs more than one target within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage sometimes.

smittysbar
10-29-2012, 01:37 PM
In addition to the poor o-line, it seems like the offensive scheme compounds problems because all Jackson and to a lesser extent, Maclin, want to do is rund 50 yards downfield to catch the ball. They don't have much of a possession receiver to allow Vick to get rid of the ball quickly. Celek is decent but Vick needs more than one target within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage sometimes.

I agree

smittysbar
10-29-2012, 01:37 PM
FWIW nothing has been mentioned on ESPN or NFL Network that this is true up to this point.

DaKCMan AP
10-31-2012, 06:45 AM
Not so fast!

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Eagles head coach Andy Reid confirms that Michael Vick is the team's starting QB. Eagles will resume practice on Thursday.

Dave Lane
10-31-2012, 06:55 AM
I never saw his talent come to fruition. And that's also taking into account his shitty college offensive system.

Dude was talked about as a possible first round pick before the season started, and then peoples' opinions turned south. There's a reason why.

You can lump him and Osweiler together. I think both guys will fail miserably in the NFL

I think Osweiler has a shot. I was fairly impressed with Foles early last year and then he seemed to regress with his reads and accuracy.

jspchief
10-31-2012, 07:08 AM
It's the best time if its gonna happen. Going against the Saints D is as good a first game as you can ask for.

The Eagles are fucked. Vick scheduled to make $15m in '13. He's gone. Reid is gone at season end. So your new coach comes in with Foles at QB? And a mid round pick that won't get you a QB that's an overwhelmingly better prospect than Foles. What a mess.

mdchiefsfan
10-31-2012, 07:19 AM
It's the best time if its gonna happen. Going against the Saints D is as good a first game as you can ask for.

The Eagles are ****ed. Vick scheduled to make $15m in '13. He's gone. Reid is gone at season end. So your new coach comes in with Foles at QB? And a mid round pick that won't get you a QB that's an overwhelmingly better prospect than Foles. What a mess.

Don't worry. They'll trade up into the Chiefs spot so we can get that DL we've had our eye on, plus picks :thumb:

DJ's left nut
10-31-2012, 01:09 PM
It's the best time if its gonna happen. Going against the Saints D is as good a first game as you can ask for.

The Eagles are fucked. Vick scheduled to make $15m in '13. He's gone. Reid is gone at season end. So your new coach comes in with Foles at QB? And a mid round pick that won't get you a QB that's an overwhelmingly better prospect than Foles. What a mess.

The Eagles would be best served to fire Reid and restructure Vick.

Vick is in his own head right now but we've seen him go out there and be a winning QB. That skill hasn't disappeared, he's just faltering under the chaos surrounding that team right now.

He needs a change of scenery, but perhaps a change of coaches is all that would require.

Ceej
10-31-2012, 01:20 PM
ANOTHER tweet fail.

Reerun_KC
10-31-2012, 01:21 PM
Foles will unseat Vick soon...

Shox
10-31-2012, 01:28 PM
I'm sorry Vick had one magical year when he actually threw the ball pretty well.....who does that remind you of, aw Matt Cassel....I digress, but other than that he has always been a marginal NFL QB. He has one year of 100+ rating, one at 93 and all the rest at low 80s and worse. Except for a couple of years, picks are about even with tds.

The Eagles are coming to grips with reality much like the Chiefs and Cassel.

dannybcaitlyn
10-31-2012, 02:13 PM
The Eagles offensive line is just horrendous. I dont see anyone succeeding until that's fixed.