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ziggysocki
10-29-2012, 02:55 PM
There is lots of talk about Pioli getting the boot, but I haven't seen much about possible replacements. Who is available? Who would have a chance at success (not mediocrity) Who makes your short list of candidates?

I am not any kind of expert on NFL execs, but I want one how understands that modern NFL franchises need to build around a franchise quarterback.

I just want my Chiefs back... I miss caring about the game on Sunday.

What say you?

Count Zarth
10-29-2012, 02:56 PM
http://legacy.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/mueller_r_1.html

http://i.imgur.com/g5LPf.jpg

SNR
10-29-2012, 02:57 PM
There have been a billion threads on this all year. They all wind up turning into a pissing match about Bill Cowher.

Glad I could help.

bevischief
10-29-2012, 02:58 PM
http://legacy.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/mueller_r_1.html

http://i.imgur.com/g5LPf.jpg

To the ship!

The Bad Guy
10-29-2012, 02:58 PM
I want Marc Ross. He's the Giants director of college scouting and has been overseeing their draft for 5 years.

Really young, and apart of an incredible organization. The Giants don't typically spend in free agency. He's the one who found Victor Cruz, drafted Nicks, Kenny Phillips.

I think he would also be a guy that wouldn't have any ties or any other bullshit where he picked from a shallow pool of candidates.

ziggysocki
10-29-2012, 03:00 PM
Guess I forgot the obligatory "Sorry if repost" I have not spent much time on the planet and I apparently did not search long enough to find a good thread with people's opinions.

Marcellus
10-29-2012, 03:00 PM
Lake Dawson , he is smart, he is young and he was a Chief.

Ben N 58men
10-29-2012, 03:01 PM
Oliver Luck, no reasoning. Just something new and he has a decent résumé

ziggysocki
10-29-2012, 03:01 PM
I want Marc Ross. He's the Giants director of college scouting and has been overseeing their draft for 5 years.

Really young, and apart of an incredible organization. The Giants don't typically spend in free agency. He's the one who found Victor Cruz, drafted Nicks, Kenny Phillips.

I think he would also be a guy that wouldn't have any ties or any other bullshit where he picked from a shallow pool of candidates.

Intriguing choice. Giants have been solid for a while now.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-29-2012, 03:05 PM
I'm too scared to discuss replacements now. I kind of think Hunt is either too stupid or too intimidated to fire him anytime soon.

ziggysocki
10-29-2012, 03:08 PM
I'm too scared to discuss replacements now. I kind of think Hunt is either too stupid or too intimidated to fire him anytime soon.

I think the 'purge of the pioli scourge' is inevitable, but I was curious if the delay is due to a lack of potential replacements that would be considered a step up. (of course at this point a dead goat would be a step up imo)

ChiefsCountry
10-29-2012, 03:08 PM
My list is two names:

Russ Ball, Packers
Marc Ross, Giants

Get one of those two and I will be happy.

Detoxing
10-29-2012, 03:13 PM
The obvious answer is Eric DeCosta (Who I wanted over Pioli back in '09) but that's obviously a shit in one hand, wish in the other scenario.

Pestilence
10-29-2012, 03:15 PM
I want Marc Ross. He's the Giants director of college scouting and has been overseeing their draft for 5 years.

Really young, and apart of an incredible organization. The Giants don't typically spend in free agency. He's the one who found Victor Cruz, drafted Nicks, Kenny Phillips.

I think he would also be a guy that wouldn't have any ties or any other bullshit where he picked from a shallow pool of candidates.

This.

MahiMike
10-29-2012, 03:15 PM
Anyone responsible for personnel w/Colts, Steelers, or Giants.

Chocolate Hog
10-29-2012, 03:17 PM
Lake Dawson , he is smart, he is young and he was a Chief.

Tennessee's drafts have been a disaster.

loochy
10-29-2012, 03:18 PM
ACCORDING TO JAYCIE PEARSON IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WE THINK SO WE SHOULD JUST STFU

Chiefs Pantalones
10-29-2012, 03:20 PM
Anyone who will draft a QB and spend money in free agency. Wisely. Not cheap though.

htismaqe
10-29-2012, 03:21 PM
Who?

Scott Pioli.

Why?

Because that's who it's going to be.

Strongside
10-29-2012, 03:28 PM
Who: Me

Why: I can win 2 games with 22 guys off the street.

DaWolf
10-29-2012, 03:39 PM
Depends how we go about things. If we are picking the GM first, and letting him hire his own coach, then the GM absolutely MUST be a leader. Pioli, say what you want about him, he was the hottest name out there because he did his job well in New England. But his job was not to be a leader. His job was to go scout dudes and work with the scouting department to get info to Belichick in the style Belichick wanted. He didn't have to lead an organization. What you are seeing right now is Pioli in over his head organizationally. He's a guy who would be better served just doing the bidding of a big time coach like he did in New England.

If we go about hiring a big time coach (IE Cowher, Gruden, etc) to run the show and be the face of the franchise, then you just need to worry about hiring a personnel guy in the background who will work well with the coach and can go out and get his type of players. Good ability to negotiate contracts and organize your scouts and assimilate info, but don't need to be the strong leader type.

Without knowing more about a guy like Ross and what his leadership style is, and how Hunt would want to go about hiring a coach, it's hard to answer. Clark will probably want the front office guy to be the top guy rather than the head coach, so the danger is if you go get another young guy, if he doesn't know how to lead, we will have wasted another four to five years.

If Hunt wants to go young at GM, and not hire a big time coach, he may want to invest in a VP of Football Operations position and put in a strong, experienced and proven leader to guide the franchise along for a few years...

Marcellus
10-29-2012, 03:50 PM
I do think if Pioli is canned Clark will realize he needs a splash to get people back in the seats.

Here comes Cowher.

Not my choice.

Chocolate Hog
10-29-2012, 03:53 PM
Marc Ross is my first choice.

If you're going for Cowher, Omar Khan but he has no personnel experience and would be GM in name only.

Other intriguing candidates:

Tom Gamble: Player personal for the 49ers

Elliott Wolf: He's probably too young

Vincent Newsome: Director of pro personal

CaliforniaChief
10-29-2012, 04:00 PM
DaWolf brings up a good point. Teams don't always hire the GM first, particularly if a high caliber guy comes in as HC who wants his own people there.

That being said, I still like the GM, then coach, system of doing things. And if we were to go that route, I would prefer Marc Ross to be the guy.

He might go the Perry Fewell route (and there could be worse directions, IMO), but he also seems less bound to a "way" and more freethinking, based on what the Giants have done in the front office and on the field.

He's young, intelligent, has a track record in scouting/drafting, and is well-spoken of by those who know him. I would be excited by a Ross hire. If another team doesn't get to him first, that is.

SNR
10-29-2012, 04:01 PM
Anyone responsible for personnel w/Colts, Steelers, or Giants.
Jim Bob Cooter here we come

ChiefMojo
10-29-2012, 04:21 PM
I like Russ Ball from the Green Bay Packers and Mike Holmgren as his HC.

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/russ-ball/b42d75d1-310e-4916-9f4e-7567ed7712e0/


Joined the Packers organization as vice president of football administration/player finance on Feb. 13, 2008.

Entering his 24th season in the NFL, having previously worked for the New Orleans Saints, Washington Redskins, Minnesota Vikings and Kansas City Chiefs.

Was selected by the Saints to attend the 2005 NFL Managers Program at Stanford University’s Executive Education Graduate School of Business.

Began his NFL career with the Chiefs in 1989 as assistant strength and conditioning coach.

Russ Ball, entering his 24th season in the NFL, begins his fifth season in Green Bay as the organization’s vice president of football administration/ player finance.

Named to the position on Feb. 13, 2008, Ball brings a vast array of experience to the Packers’ front office and is highly involved in all team decisions both on and off the playing field. He is responsible for negotiating player contracts and managing the salary cap, in addition to the daily supervision of football-administration departments including athletic training, equipment, video, corporate travel, player development, family programs and public relations.

“The first thing that needs to be said is that Russ Ball is a good man,” said Ted Thompson, Packers Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations. “He is a tremendous help to all of us here with the Packers, and his influence is felt throughout the organization. He does a lot of valuable work that often goes unnoticed by many. Russ is also a steady hand and a valued friend that we all come to for advice. He represents the Packers proudly, and we are fortunate to have him with us.”

Before coming to Green Bay, Ball spent six seasons (2002-07) with the New Orleans Saints, the final two as vice president of football administration and the first four as senior football administrator. His responsibilities with the Saints included monitoring the salary cap, contract negotiations and roster management, as well as maintaining the team’s compliance with NFL and Management Council regulations. Ball also coordinated different areas of the football operations, and was involved in several other administrative functions with the club. During his time in New Orleans, he also served in a similar capacity with the New Orleans VooDoo of the Arena Football League from 2004-07. Ball was selected by the Saints to attend the 2005 NFL Managers Program at Stanford University’s Executive Education Graduate School of Business.

Ball, 53, spent the 2001 season as director of football administration for the Washington Redskins, where his duties included managing the salary cap as well as team operations, as he oversaw the video, athletic training, equipment, strength and conditioning and player development departments.

Ball served as senior football administrator for the Minnesota Vikings from 1999-2000, where he assisted with salary-cap management and player contracts. He began working in the NFL with the Kansas City Chiefs and spent 10 seasons (1989-98) there, the final two in football operations as administrative assistant to then-head coach Marty Schottenheimer. Ball began his career with the Chiefs as assistant strength and conditioning coach.

A 1981 graduate of the University of Central Missouri, Ball was a four-year letterman at center for the Mules. He served as head strength and conditioning coach at the University of Missouri from 1982-89 and earned his master’s degree in human performance from Missouri in 1990.

Ball was born Aug. 28, 1959, in Moberly, Mo. He and his wife, Diana, reside in Green Bay and have two children, Joe, 26, and Andrea, 14. Away from work, Ball enjoys spending time with his family.
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I admit that Marc Ross/Perry Fewell combo from the Giants would be very good as well.

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 04:22 PM
Lake Dawson , he is smart, he is young and he was a Chief.

And he's sucking ass in Tennessee.

That team is pathetic and has a serious lack talent.

The Bad Guy
10-29-2012, 04:24 PM
If I'm betting on who I think will get it, I think Cowher comes here and he brings a guy he trusts to help him run the football operations like Fisher did in StL.

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 04:25 PM
I like Russ Ball from the Green Bay Packers!



Team President? Yes.

General Manager? No.

And NO to Holmgren.

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 04:25 PM
If I'm betting on who I think will get it, I think Cowher comes here and he brings a guy he trusts to help him run the football operations like Fisher did in StL.

As long as it's not Tom Donahoe or Tom Modrak.

ChiefMojo
10-29-2012, 04:26 PM
Don't think Ball is ready to be a GM yet?

Chocolate Hog
10-29-2012, 04:28 PM
Russ Ball has never made personnel moves. I don't understand why you'd hire a guy with no experience in that field.

ChiefMojo
10-29-2012, 04:29 PM
Well that is true and in hindsight him as the President would probably work best.

GoChargers
10-29-2012, 04:30 PM
I nominate AJ Smith. He has a lot of experience with acquiring personnel, showing up to the draft on time, and inhabiting an NFL front office.

Rausch
10-29-2012, 04:38 PM
If I'm betting on who I think will get it, I think Cowher comes here and he brings a guy he trusts to help him run the football operations like Fisher did in StL.

I'd love it.

And while many fans would puke it would bring an instant credibility to the rest of the league.

Cowher is a guy players love without being a pushover/player's coach...

Chocolate Hog
10-29-2012, 04:42 PM
If Cowher is coming back wouldn't Carolina be his 1st choice since he lives in Raleigh?

SNR
10-29-2012, 04:44 PM
Russ Ball has never made personnel moves. I don't understand why you'd hire a guy with no experience in that field.

Exactly. He'd be Pioli all over again.

This team doesn't need more assholes with bright ideas for ad campaigns and charity functions. All that bullshit nobody cares about can be handed to any ol' dumbass stiff.

A GM needs to have an eye for talent regardless of whether or not he has a director of scouting he trusts. That director of scouting can leave at any time, and then the team is screwed.

chiefzilla1501
10-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Exactly. He'd be Pioli all over again.

This team doesn't need more assholes with bright ideas for ad campaigns and charity functions. All that bullshit nobody cares about can be handed to any ol' dumbass stiff.

A GM needs to have an eye for talent regardless of whether or not he has a director of scouting he trusts. That director of scouting can leave at any time, and then the team is screwed.

Well, I don't know if he'd be Pioli. But I think the better point is that the Chiefs can keep Mark Donovan. I think Donovan became a dick because Pioli asked him to, but under a new leadership, I think he could do just find handling the operations side of the team.

SNR
10-29-2012, 05:01 PM
Well, I don't know if he'd be Pioli. But I think the better point is that the Chiefs can keep Mark Donovan. I think Donovan became a dick because Pioli asked him to, but under a new leadership, I think he could do just find handling the operations side of the team.

Perfect. I'll support Donovan the same way I supported Denny Thum. I absolutely trust him to organize charity fundraisers, move money around the budget, and make sure the cheerleaders' new pompoms are delivered on time.

aturnis
10-29-2012, 06:41 PM
ACCORDING TO JAYCIE PEARSON IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WE THINK SO WE SHOULD JUST STFU

His stance was that we shouldn't fire everyone mid season, it wouldn't accomplish anything. He changed his tune after yesterday's game. Thinks Daboll should have been fired last night.

Bump
10-29-2012, 06:43 PM
Marc Ross from the Giants sounds fine to me

chiefzilla1501
10-29-2012, 06:47 PM
Perfect. I'll support Donovan the same way I supported Denny Thum. I absolutely trust him to organize charity fundraisers, move money around the budget, and make sure the cheerleaders' new pompoms are delivered on time.

Yup. My fear is that with Russ Ball, you get a guy like Thum or Donovan. Not a guy like Dimitroff or Ozzie Newsome. Get some guy with personnel experience.

xztop12
10-29-2012, 06:52 PM
Some HOSS, studs

Mr_Tomahawk
10-29-2012, 07:10 PM
If Cowher is coming back wouldn't Carolina be his 1st choice since he lives in Raleigh?

I agree. For those who want Cowher...I see him ending up in Carolina before I see him ending up in KC.

chiefzilla1501
10-29-2012, 07:12 PM
I agree. For those who want Cowher...I see him ending up in Carolina before I see him ending up in KC.

I don't know why we'd want a head coach to be our GM. Has this ever worked for anybody?

Dayze
10-29-2012, 07:18 PM
Anyone that doesn't involved Marty or Bill. JFc I'm tired of idiots thinking that is an awesome idea.

Dayze
10-29-2012, 07:20 PM
Anyone that doesn't involved Marty or Bill. JFc I'm tired of idiots thinking that is an awesome idea.

Edit

...idiot is too strong of a word. I let the emotions get the better of me.m
However I think it's a terrible idea

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 07:28 PM
Edit

...idiot is too strong of a word. I let the emotions get the better of me.m
However I think it's a terrible idea

You were right the first time.

I'm actually embarrassed when people say "Marty for GM!".

:facepalm:

JFC, people, Marty Schottenheimer was never a GM and his coaching career left much to be desired (i.e., playoff wins).

milkman
10-29-2012, 08:21 PM
I"d still be all in on Eric DeCosta, but Marc Ross would work for me too.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-29-2012, 08:23 PM
DeCosta

JASONSAUTO
10-29-2012, 08:25 PM
You were right the first time.

I'm actually embarrassed when people say "Marty for GM!".

:facepalm:

JFC, people, Marty Schottenheimer was never a GM and his coaching career left much to be desired (i.e., playoff wins).
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Ceej
10-29-2012, 08:25 PM
Mike Maslowski.

Coogs
10-29-2012, 08:30 PM
I'm still on the Oliver Luck bandwagon...

This guy might have his own ideas, and not try and copy someone elses ideas... much like the idiot we now have as a GM.


In college...

Luck was a finalist to be a Rhodes Scholar (but he did not obtain the scholarship), a National Football Foundation Scholar, and a two-time GTE/CoSIDA Academic All-American who graduated magna cum laude from WVU in 1982. He was named the team MVP in 1980 and 1981 and won the 1981 Louis D. Meisel Award. He is a member of Phi Beta Kappa. Luck was inducted into the Academic All-America Hall of Fame in 2000.

And after his NFL career...

After retiring from football, Luck received a J.D. from the University of Texas, graduating in 1987 with honors,[5] and he practiced law in Germany. In 1990, he was the Republican nominee for Congress from West Virginia's Second Congressional District, which included his alma mater West Virginia University, but he was defeated by incumbent Democrat Harley Staggers, Jr. An ethical controversy arose after his campaign used a mailing list generated by the non-profit Mountaineer Athletic Club to send a photo of himself as WVU's quarterback, along with a letter from Luck, to over 4000 of the club's contributors. A state Ethics Commission report subsequently found that the list had been generated at Luck's request, and Luck apologized.[6]

In 1991, he became general manager of the Frankfurt Galaxy of the fledgling World League of American Football. He held the post for two years until the league was suspended. Upon its resumption in 1995, he became general manager of the Rhein Fire, and was named league president the following year. Luck held that role until 2000, during which time he oversaw the league's rebranding as NFL Europe, intended to strengthen the connection between the league and its parent, the NFL.

In 2001, Luck was sworn in as Chief Executive Officer of the Houston Sports Authority. In this role he oversaw the operations of the Harris County Houston Sports Authority, the governmental entity created in 1997 to provide the financing, construction and management oversight of the three large sports and entertainment venues in Houston: Minute Maid Park (home of the Houston Astros), Reliant Stadium, (home of the Houston Texans and the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo), and the new Downtown multi-purpose arena (home of the Houston Rockets and Comets).[citation needed]

Prior to joining the Sports Authority, Luck was a top-ranking executive with the National Football League for more than ten years, where he served as Vice President of Business Development and President and CEO of NFL Europe. In 2005, he was named president of the Houston Dynamo of Major League Soccer.

On June 27, 2008, Luck was appointed by West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin to the West Virginia University Board of Governors, effective July 1.[5] On June 9, 2010, Luck was hired as the athletic director of West Virginia University. Two years later his name surfaced as a potential candidate to fill the open athletic director's slot at Stanford University, where his son Andrew played quarterback and one of his daughters played volleyball. But Luck announced on May 17, 2012, that he was staying at WVU.[7]

During Luck's tenure, the WVU athletic program has made significant changes, including: WVU's move from the Big East Conference to the Big 12 Conference;[8] the resignation of head football coach Bill Stewart and subsequent promotion of Dana Holgorsen to that spot;[9] and the firing of baseball coach Greg Van Zant.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Luck

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 08:50 PM
I'm still on the Oliver Luck bandwagon...


He's not an NFL general manager. Why in the hell would you hire someone as a GM that's never scouted, never been a college or pro personnel guy and never an NFL GM?

He might be a candidate for team president but even that's not a certainty.

Simply Red
10-29-2012, 08:54 PM
Some HOSS, studs

FUCK YOU!

spades
10-29-2012, 08:55 PM
marc ross

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:01 PM
He's not an NFL general manager. Why in the hell would you hire someone as a GM that's never scouted, never been a college or pro personnel guy and never an NFL GM?

He might be a candidate for team president but even that's not a certainty.

So you are saying I would not have been smart enough to have drafted Tyson Jackson, Eric Berry, Jon baldwin, and Dontari Poe? And neither would Oliver Luck, who actually has had success in the football arena? That decisions like those 4 gems need to be left to the guys like Pioli who have experience?

I think I'll stick with Luck for a little while longer.

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 09:05 PM
So you are saying I would not have been smart enough to have drafted Tyson Jackson, Eric Berry, Jon baldwin, and Dontari Poe? And neither would Oliver Luck, who actually has had success in the football arena? That decisions like those 4 gems need to be left to the guys like Pioli who have experience?

I think I'll stick with Luck for a little while longer.

:facepalm:

clyde05
10-29-2012, 09:06 PM
As long as his name isn't Scott Pioli!!!

rtmike
10-29-2012, 09:06 PM
I'm still on the Oliver Luck bandwagon...

This guy might have his own ideas, and not try and copy someone elses ideas... much like the idiot we now have as a GM.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Luck

Prolly has his own ideas because by the sounds of it he's never been part of putting together an NFL team so he has no ideas cause he has no idea.

Sorry, but no thanks.

Dayze
10-29-2012, 09:06 PM
Mike Maslowski.
Fuck that, you know shit. Case Printers

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:08 PM
:facepalm:

Look, the dude was a Rhodes Scholar candidate. I'm sure he is smart enough to recognize football talent. I'm sure he is smart enough to make wise decisions with regards to building a team.

I like him as a prospect. That was the purpose of the thread.

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 09:11 PM
Look, the dude was a Rhodes Scholar candidate. I'm sure he is smart enough to recognize football talent. I'm sure he is smart enough to make wise decisions with regards to building a team.

I like him as a prospect. That was the purpose of the thread.

Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea.

Hire a guy that's never worked in the NFL and ask him to rebuild your franchise through free agency and the draft because, well, he's smart and can figure it out.

:facepalm:

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Prolly has his own ideas because by the sounds of it he's never been part of putting together an NFL team so he has no ideas cause he has no idea.

Sorry, but no thanks.

That's fine if you want the standard Steelers, Giants, Ravens, Packers response. I'm cool with it.

I think the guy is smart enough to build a team. Look what he did with his own son. And I am assuming he coached up his son a bit as a young lad with the finer points of the game, because he knows what the finer points are.

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:17 PM
Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea.

Hire a guy that's never worked in the NFL and ask him to rebuild your franchise through free agency and the draft because, well, he's smart and can figure it out.

:facepalm:

So I think outside the box once in a while. Sue me!

T-post Tom
10-29-2012, 09:19 PM
I want Marc Ross. He's the Giants director of college scouting and has been overseeing their draft for 5 years.

Really young, and apart of an incredible organization. The Giants don't typically spend in free agency. He's the one who found Victor Cruz, drafted Nicks, Kenny Phillips.

I think he would also be a guy that wouldn't have any ties or any other bullshit where he picked from a shallow pool of candidates.

I'd go for this.

It needs to be done ASAP. Then quickly hire a PROVEN HC with connections so that he can cherry pick his coordinators from the failed & soon-to-be-fired HCs that were great coordinators.

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:26 PM
I'd go for this.

Packers... franchise QB's Favre and Rodgers
Giants... franchise QB Manning
Ravens... franchise GM Newsome... who may or may not be able to get a franchise QB
Steelers... franchise QB Roethlisberger

Patriots... franchise QB Brady

Buyers beware. Not saying it's a bad idea at all. But franchise QB's make a lot of things look pretty good.

Count Zarth
10-29-2012, 09:29 PM
Flacco is a franchise QB. No question at this point.

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Flacco is a franchise QB. No question at this point.

I'd tend to agree.

Dayze
10-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Too risky. Shut your face. We need a LT first

Mr_Tomahawk
10-29-2012, 09:35 PM
That's fine if you want the standard Steelers, Giants, Ravens, Packers response. I'm cool with it.

I think the guy is smart enough to build a team. Look what he did with his own son. And I am assuming he coached up his son a bit as a young lad with the finer points of the game, because he knows what the finer points are.

We should go after Archie Manning...right?

Coogs
10-29-2012, 09:39 PM
We should go after Archie Manning...right?

Probably could do worse.

DaneMcCloud
10-29-2012, 10:07 PM
So I think outside the box once in a while. Sue me!

"Thinking outside the box" is how Matt Millen had a job, as well as Marty Hurney (former sports writer).

The Chiefs NEED a GM that's been a proven scout and personnel director.

Not a guy that's never been either.

T-post Tom
10-29-2012, 10:24 PM
Packers... franchise QB's Favre and Rodgers
Giants... franchise QB Manning
Ravens... franchise GM Newsome... who may or may not be able to get a franchise QB
Steelers... franchise QB Roethlisberger

Patriots... franchise QB Brady

Buyers beware. Not saying it's a bad idea at all. But franchise QB's make a lot of things look pretty good.

Agreed that a franchise QB is the quickest path to success in today's NFL, but I'd take that Giants d-line over ours any day and twice on Sundays.

Chiefshrink
10-29-2012, 10:32 PM
I'm too scared to discuss replacements now. I kind of think Hunt is either too stupid or too intimidated to fire him anytime soon.

This !;)

wazu
10-29-2012, 10:33 PM
Flacco is a franchise QB. No question at this point.

Meh. Do not want.

bevischief
10-29-2012, 10:49 PM
I"d still be all in on Eric DeCosta, but Marc Ross would work for me too.

Whatever Milkman says I agree with.

rtmike
10-29-2012, 11:19 PM
That's fine if you want the standard Steelers, Giants, Ravens, Packers response. I'm cool with it.

I think the guy is smart enough to build a team. Look what he did with his own son. And I am assuming he coached up his son a bit as a young lad with the finer points of the game, because he knows what the finer points are.


I never said who I wanted, just not some smart dude with no personnel experience in the NFL.

Last GM hire I was happier than a Slinkee on an escalator since I was one of the many who was pimpin' him before the hire.

I obviously don't know jackshit though.

AussieChiefsFan
10-29-2012, 11:57 PM
Marc Ross definitely seems like a good candidate.

Coogs
10-30-2012, 05:40 AM
"Thinking outside the box" is how Matt Millen had a job, as well as Marty Hurney (former sports writer).

The Chiefs NEED a GM that's been a proven scout and personnel director.

Not a guy that's never been either.

But he has been a GM. Minor league? Yes. But he does have a bit of experience.

Look. Would he be great? I don't know. Would he suck? I don't know.

No more than I know about any of these other names being thrown around. I do know that all these other guys work on teams that have franchise QB's leading them. And we already know that a guy that works on a team with a franchise QB at the helm can be a little overrated. Fool me once...

I don't want a different version of "The Patriot Way". No "Raven Way". No "Giants Way". No "Packers Way". No "Steelers Way". I want the "Chiefs Way" for a change.

So you can call me a dumbass or whatever all you want. That's your prerogative.

The OP asked for our short list with a reason. I gave mine.

Woodchuck
10-30-2012, 06:18 AM
Marc Ross has interviewed for several jobs. It's unclear if he was offered any of them. The question is whether or not he is holding out for the perfect job? For example, Mike Tannenbaum, the Jets GM, may get fired this year. Could he be holding out for that one? Why would Ross want to come to KC? Why would he leave New York to come to KC? Does he have a family like Pioli? What would be so great about the KC job? Will there still be a sense of stability in the GM position like years past? I mean will guys still think it's a 20 year job like it was for Carl? Or, will they see an owner with a short fuse? If he's the hottest prospect, he could probably get the money anywhere right? I'm not saying he won't come but, he seems like a longshot to me.

ChiefsCountry
10-30-2012, 06:58 AM
Marc Ross has interviewed for several jobs. It's unclear if he was offered any of them. The question is whether or not he is holding out for the perfect job? For example, Mike Tannenbaum, the Jets GM, may get fired this year. Could he be holding out for that one? Why would Ross want to come to KC? Why would he leave New York to come to KC? Does he have a family like Pioli? What would be so great about the KC job? Will there still be a sense of stability in the GM position like years past? I mean will guys still think it's a 20 year job like it was for Carl? Or, will they see an owner with a short fuse? If he's the hottest prospect, he could probably get the money anywhere right? I'm not saying he won't come but, he seems like a longshot to me.

You are a fucking idiot.
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Ace Gunner
10-30-2012, 07:16 AM
“This is the best,” he said. “If you had to give me the choice: Get the GM job or win the Super Bowl, I’m taking win the Super Bowl every day of the week.

“Of course, going through the process, I want to be the guy that comes out on top and gets the job, but I feel confident that my time will come. And if not, I’m with a great organization. I love being here, I love working for the Giants, I love working for John Mara and Jerry Reese. I’m happy.”

-Marc Ross, Dir. Player Personnel, NYG



He likes guys with speed & quickness -- Guys like Hakeem Nicks, Vic Cruz, Manningham, JPP etc. so it's going to be a real challenge and long road to victories if he were to take the GM job here.

It'd be great for the Chiefs. I just don't know whether it's the place he would want to go.

Micjones
10-30-2012, 07:24 AM
1. Marc Ross: Vet personnel guy. Has worked with several organizations with recent success. Deserves a ton of credit for two Giants Superbowl wins. He's money in April...on both sides of the ball.

2. Eric DeCosta: He's been instrumental in building a championship-caliber defense in Baltimore. Guy just has an eye for talent. Both through the Draft and in Free Agency.

KC_Lee
10-30-2012, 07:25 AM
It'd be great for the Chiefs. I just don't know whether it's the place he would want to go.

A top 3 pick and a pile of money might remedy that...

Micjones
10-30-2012, 07:33 AM
A top 3 pick and a pile of money might remedy that...

And a half-dozen or more talented young players to build around.
This would be a great job for Ross.

Every man wants to carve out his own niche.
Ross is unsung in New York. He won't be in Kansas City.

ChiefsNow
10-30-2012, 07:47 AM
A new GM will have it easy. The fans can tell him what to do each week. Just read the flying banners each week.

OmahaChief
10-30-2012, 07:51 AM
2. Eric DeCosta: He's been instrumental in building a championship-caliber defense in Baltimore. Guy just has an eye for talent. Both through the Draft and in Free Agency.

DeCosta seems like Pioli verision 2 to me. Young up and coming guy that is getting a lot of credit when it is mostly his boss doing the job.

DaWolf
11-19-2012, 09:21 PM
I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2012, 09:23 PM
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.


:facepalm:

milkman
11-19-2012, 09:25 PM
I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?

I'd be pissed.

NJChiefsFan
11-19-2012, 09:31 PM
I'd be pissed.

Haha yeah that's about it. Super pissed. Cassel is gone. Let's see what backup QB might work out for us........

RunKC
11-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Clark should take look at the best candidates from GB or PIT.

Tombstone RJ
11-19-2012, 09:45 PM
There is lots of talk about Pioli getting the boot, but I haven't seen much about possible replacements. Who is available? Who would have a chance at success (not mediocrity) Who makes your short list of candidates?

I am not any kind of expert on NFL execs, but I want one how understands that modern NFL franchises need to build around a franchise quarterback.

I just want my Chiefs back... I miss caring about the game on Sunday.

What say you?

Sorry, but Elway is already taken.

Coach
11-19-2012, 09:57 PM
Anybody who doesn't say "The Process" gets a bonus.

I get tired of hearing that phrase.

SNR
11-19-2012, 10:03 PM
I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?
Taking backups from other teams is what the Chiefs have almost always done. That's not a very good endorsement of that strategy.

Draft a QB. It's time. The last GM was supposed to do that. Clark even wanted it. It didn't happen.

If the new GM continues to shit on us, I'll be pissed.

BossChief
11-19-2012, 10:10 PM
I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a fuckton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.

Tombstone RJ
11-19-2012, 10:15 PM
I was sitting here thinking about this today: let's say Pioli gets canned and Clark goes after one of the hottest names on this thread. Let's say he gets Marc Ross from the Giants. Yay, right?

What would your feeling be if Ross did this during his first months as GM:

1) Hire a defensive guy like Perry Fewell to be head coach
2) Decided to switch to a 4-3 defense
3) Decided that no QB was worth a top two pick and elects to draft defense in the first round to improve the pass rush
4) Traded for someone like TJ Yates, Colin Kaepernick, Matt Flynn, or Ryan Mallet and drafted a QB in the 4th round.
5) Let Bowe walk and draft a speedy WR in round 2

How would you evaluate the hire? Let's say DeCosta would do something similar.

Point being, would you be willing to trust any new GM if he passed on taking Geno Smith No 1 overall, or is it Geno or Bust for whoever takes over? Should Clark Hunt insist that the QB be taken (similar to what Stephen Ross and Arthur Blank told their GM's)?

let's just assume that kc is drafting either #1 or #2. If the new GM doesn't take a QB then he better trade down for a king's ransom and then max out the draft with quality AND quantity.

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2012, 10:16 PM
I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a fuckton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.

Negatives:

Fired after the 1993 Bills season

Left Carolina in piss poor shape because he went the veteran route and had poor drafts.

Poor drafts in Indy left the Colts completely helpless once Manning went down.

Hired a poor coach in Jim Caldwell. He was also helpless once Manning went down.

69 years old and will likely bring his dumbass son along.

Known for Pioli-like secrecy/dumbassery.

Tombstone RJ
11-19-2012, 10:20 PM
I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a ****ton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.

Polian is certainly a safe hire for GM. He kind of sucked for the last 4-5 years in Indy but he had Manning carrying the team. When Manning went down they sucked sooooo bad (due to Polian's suckiness at assembling talent) that BOOM, the Colts get the #1 pick and Andrew Luck.

He lost his job but he still left Indy with a shot at a once-in-a-lifetime QB.

DaWolf
11-19-2012, 10:23 PM
I am not a huge fan of the guy, but Bill Polian has been successful everywhere he has been.

The Bills went to 4 superbowls
The Panthers went to the NFCC game in his second year there as an expansion team.
The Colts went to a ****ton of championship games and superbowls.

Its hard to argue that the guy wouldn't be a damn good hire and possibly the best option out there.

Match him up with a HC like Bill Cohwer and this team could turn things around quickly.

Polian is 70 and I will assume he would want to be the team president and make his son the GM, or at least in line to be the next GM after Polian retires.

Based on two years of Chris Polian in Indy, I'd wager that's a road we'd want to avoid.

Ironically, after getting fired as GM of the Colts, the best Chris Polian could do is get an Area Scout job from the Atlanta falcons and Pioli's buddy, Dimitrioff...

Chief_For_Life58
11-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Negatives:

Fired after the 1993 Bills season

Left Carolina in piss poor shape because he went the veteran route and had poor drafts.

Poor drafts in Indy left the Colts completely helpless once Manning went down.

Hired a poor coach in Jim Caldwell. He was also helpless once Manning went down.

69 years old and will likely bring his dumbass son along.

Known for Pioli-like secrecy/dumbassery.

yea, no. polian cant draft worth shit.

hire a young gun head coach & then hire a gm. I think hc is more important to this team at this point then gm in my opinion.

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2012, 10:31 PM
i think hc is more important to this team at this point then gm in my opinion.

I could not disagree more.

Talent trumps scheme every single time.

Look no further than the 90's Chiefs as proof.

BossChief
11-19-2012, 10:44 PM
Negatives:

Fired after the 1993 Bills season

Left Carolina in piss poor shape because he went the veteran route and had poor drafts.

Poor drafts in Indy left the Colts completely helpless once Manning went down.

Hired a poor coach in Jim Caldwell. He was also helpless once Manning went down.

69 years old and will likely bring his dumbass son along.

Known for Pioli-like secrecy/dumbassery.

Fired after he built a team that went to its 4th straight superbowl. Id JIMP.

Of course he "went the veteran route" he was starting an expansion team. How the team did after he left was on somebody else, he had them in the NFCC game in his second year there.

While I agree that his drafts werent very good in Indy, he did fill some crucial spots while there that helped the team win big games and he made it a point to put as many weapons as he could around PM to help him succeed.

Most teams are "helpless" when their HOF starter goes down.

Age is a concern, as is bringing Chris with him....I agree. Maybe Chris has learned something as a scout, though. Its not like Atlanta hasnt drafted well.

Interesting, I honestly didn't know about his secrecy stuff...can you elaborate?

BossChief
11-19-2012, 10:45 PM
I could not disagree more.

Talent trumps scheme every single time.

Look no further than the 90's Chiefs as proof.

I disagree to an extent.

Look at the 2012 Chiefs.

Count Zarth
11-19-2012, 10:47 PM
The 2012 Chiefs lack talent. Only homers think we have talent.

You're gonna lose the Dex bet. :)

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2012, 10:51 PM
Fired after he built a team that went to its 4th straight superbowl. Id JIMP.

Of course he "went the veteran route" he was starting an expansion team. How the team did after he left was on somebody else, he had them in the NFCC game in his second year

Actually, it was after their third Super Bowl appearance.

Jacksonville went for youth, yet was in the AFC Championship Game quickly and repeatedly won playoff games. Carolina was a disaster and didn't get better until after John Fox and Marty Hurny took over eight years later. Carolina endured a 1-15 season post Polian as well.

I'm on the iPad so I can't link so you'll need to search for Polian's militant tactics.

Also, I wouldn't lay any bets that Chris has learned enough to become a successful GM in a short time period.

BossChief
11-19-2012, 10:53 PM
The 2012 Chiefs lack talent. Only homers think we have talent.

You're gonna lose the Dex bet. :)

I made no Dex bet and this team has plenty of talent.

Bowe
Charles
Hali
Houston
Flowers
Moeaki
Albert
Asamoah
Winston
Breaston
DJ
Berry

DaneMcCloud
11-19-2012, 10:54 PM
The 2012 Chiefs lack talent. Only homers think we have talent.

You're gonna lose the Dex bet. :)

Outside of QB, there are very few positions of immediate need. There are no dominate teams right now and if the Chiefs can acquire a QB and fill a few holes, they'll be right back in the thick of it come 2013.

But it's going to take the right moves in order for that to happen.

NJChiefsFan
11-19-2012, 10:58 PM
This team needs more than I thought before the season started. To be fair, we didn't realize how much of a drop off we would get with Carr gone. We also are seeing Berry not fully healthy(hopefully that is the reason). Most of all, I think this team quit pretty early on. Some of that shows character issues, some of that is the QB and head coach.

We need some work for sure but a good QB makes players better. I think this roster inspired plus a QB looks a lot different. If we lose either Albert or Bowe its certainly going to look even worse. Keep them both, get a QBOTF, a solid head coach, and then fix the Dline and CB2. Maybe we aren't SB bound after that but I think its a pretty decent team.

Last year with a motivated team and decent QB we looked alright to end the season.

DaWolf
11-19-2012, 11:02 PM
Interesting, I honestly didn't know about his secrecy stuff...can you elaborate?

http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2012/01/04/polian-dismissal-means-no-more-fear/

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/1/4/2681679/the-polian-reign-of-terror-ends

I had a friend who landed a job with the Colts many years ago. The first time we ran into each other in a complex hallway, I congratulated him. All I received was a nod as he kept walking. I didn’t know what to think. After the work day, my friend phoned to apologize.

“You understand why I can’t stop and talk to you in the building,” he said.

I didn’t.

He was afraid Polian would see us exchanging pleasantries.

“He hates all of us, too,” the friend said.

I was reminded recently about how a former Colts player was in a hallway, talking to a then-current player, when Polian walked up. The boss didn’t care for the former player, and refused to acknowledge the man’s presence. A short time later, a nearby phone rang. The current player explained the former player had to leave.

Like Phil, I had a similar experience with friends who landed jobs with the Colts. Some of these people were family friends, people I deeply care for. Once the word reached Polian that they were close to me, all communication with those people stopped.

At Super Bowl XLIV in Miami, I walked up to one such friend and to say hello. Bill Polian was just a few feet away. The friend nodded and shuffled away. I didn't know what was wrong until a month later, when people told me that if anyone within the team was seen speaking with me, they could lose their jobs.

Like Phil, I couldn't get out of my head the unbelievable culture of fear that the insecure, violently paranoid Polians used to keep control of the organization. And I won't lie. I'm glad Polian and his equally odious son were fired.

Not reassigned.

Not 'allowed to resign.'

Fired.

It was a fitting end to two people who simply lacked the ability to treat others decently and respectfully, especially if those others worked under them.

Chocolate Hog
11-19-2012, 11:23 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit how employees are treated with franchises?

Chief_For_Life58
11-19-2012, 11:24 PM
I could not disagree more.

Talent trumps scheme every single time.

Look no further than the 90's Chiefs as proof.

I say that bc our team is really already in place for most the part. we need a hc who can fire this team up and get the players to play their hearts out. a guy the team listens to and who knows how to scheme and put gameplans together. we just need a gm who is good with contracts and sees our team from an outside perspective and what would help and whats hurting. were past the stage where we need a draft guru to draft key anchors. just how I feel anyway

BossChief
11-19-2012, 11:26 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit how employees are treated with franchises?

You may not be the only one, but you are in the minority.

"I treat everyone like a gentleman, not because they are one...but because I am."

DaWolf
11-20-2012, 12:11 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit how employees are treated with franchises?

I used to not care, and think that as long as the team won, that was the bottom line.

Now, especially with the prevalence of social media and it being the digital age, it becomes fairly obvious who the classy organizations are and who the crappy organizations are. I'd rather my franchise be a place where the cream of the crop are clamoring to work for rather than being a cesspool where you can only get people desperate to land a job. This has trickled into free agency too. Our top TE target never visited. Manning never visited. Orton couldn't wait to get out of here. Carr never entertained staying. Bowe wants out, even though he denies it now. Flowers allegedly wants out. Haley revolted and wanted out. No worthwhile assistant coach even sniffed in our direction. Zorn wanted out of his contract. Fisher didn't really consider coaching here. Romeo and Philbin were the only legit coaching candidates we had. Hell, it took us three days to convince our top FA acquisition, Winston, to sign here. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that delay was due to hesitation based on what he had heard.

No, I'd prefer that the Chiefs organization be a place where people are happy and excited to work at, because that attitude permeates and reflects in the end product. Most of that comes hand in hand with winning, but you learn a lot about people when the going is rough...

Chieftain58
11-20-2012, 06:10 AM
Schottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

milkman
11-20-2012, 09:35 PM
Schottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

:facepalm:

BigMeatballDave
11-20-2012, 09:37 PM
LMAOSchottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

Chief_For_Life58
11-20-2012, 09:40 PM
Schottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

& uve been a cp member since 2002? jesus christ

DaneMcCloud
11-20-2012, 10:21 PM
Schottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

:Lin:

JohnnyHammersticks
11-20-2012, 10:23 PM
Schottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

Schaaf GM and Kotite or Art shell coach, singletary would be nice

DaneMcCloud
11-20-2012, 10:27 PM
Schaaf GM and Kotite or Art shell coach, singletary would be nice

THIS

Although Dick Steinberg, Terry Bradway and Matt Millen should be considered for the GM position.

DaWolf
11-20-2012, 10:30 PM
I'm still holding out hope for Marty as GM, Brian as HC, and Kurt as DC. Make it happen Clarks!

DaneMcCloud
11-20-2012, 10:32 PM
I'm actually hoping for Jerry Jones.

Do you guys think we can get him?

Brainiac
11-20-2012, 10:43 PM
Schottenheimer GM and Reid or Brian billick coach, cowher would be nice

Allard Baird and Trey Hillman would be nice.

ClevelandBronco
11-20-2012, 10:48 PM
It's simple. Fire Scott, promote Romeo to GM.

BossChief
11-20-2012, 10:54 PM
I'm actually hoping for Jerry Jones.

Do you guys think we can get him?


I'd probably give up our first round pick if such a thing were possible.

Chief Roundup
11-20-2012, 10:58 PM
It's simple. Fire Scott, promote Romeo to GM.

not funny

htismaqe
11-21-2012, 06:55 AM
Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.

DeezNutz
11-21-2012, 06:59 AM
Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.

htis has seen the light.

htismaqe
11-21-2012, 07:03 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit how employees are treated with franchises?

If their treatment of employees are part of a larger pattern of behavior that could get in the way of winning, you SHOULD give a shit.

That stuff about Polian sounds just like Pioli.

People can say all they want "I don't care if Pioli makes the media get an escort to go to the bathroom as long as they win" but they're not recognizing that his insistence on such things is an indication that he believes such things give the Chiefs a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE.

In other words, he doesn't have a fucking clue...

bevischief
11-21-2012, 07:05 AM
No to Polian.

htismaqe
11-21-2012, 07:05 AM
htis has seen the light.

Clark says he wants to emulate the Steelers. Since the glory years of the 1970's, how many of their GMs can you name? One?

Look all around the NFL at the successful teams and the coaches are equal too or slightly above the GM in terms of say...

Saulbadguy
11-21-2012, 07:11 AM
I don't care.

The overwhelming majority of this board wanted (and got) Pioli. We don't know shit about football, obviously.

htismaqe
11-21-2012, 07:25 AM
I don't care.

The overwhelming majority of this board wanted (and got) Pioli. We don't know shit about football, obviously.

ROFL

Great point!

Chiefs Pantalones
11-21-2012, 09:36 AM
Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.

Great post. 100% agreed

Pestilence
11-21-2012, 09:39 AM
Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.

So....IYO.....who should we bring in at HC? And who do you think they would realistically bring in for a GM?

htismaqe
11-21-2012, 09:46 AM
So....IYO.....who should we bring in at HC? And who do you think they would realistically bring in for a GM?

I havent' done a whole lot of research yet so the only guy I know of off the top of my head that fits my criteria is Andy Reid.

Pestilence
11-21-2012, 09:50 AM
http://legacy.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/mueller_r_1.html

http://i.imgur.com/g5LPf.jpg

Think maybe Reid would bring this guy?

bevischief
11-21-2012, 10:04 AM
Think maybe Reid would bring this guy?

I could live with this setup.

whoman69
11-21-2012, 12:40 PM
THIS

Although Dick Steinberg, Terry Bradway and Matt Millen should be considered for the GM position.

Is this opposite day? The Chiefs should have a do not contact order with Millen. Absolutely the worst GM in NFL history.

Woodchuck
11-24-2012, 07:12 AM
The 2012 Chiefs lack talent. Only homers think we have talent.

You're gonna lose the Dex bet. :)

Yep.:thumb:

milkman
11-24-2012, 08:02 AM
Everybody talks about drafting a QB because we haven't done it since 1983.

Well, I've come around to the thinking of guys like Petro and others. I personally think we should hire the COACH first and let him have some say in who we get as GM.

We've tried the other way for the better part of 40 years and it hasn't worked. The last time we had a coach with as much or more power than the GM (Stram), we won it all.

I don't believe the structure matters as much as the people.


Clark says he wants to emulate the Steelers. Since the glory years of the 1970's, how many of their GMs can you name? One?

Look all around the NFL at the successful teams and the coaches are equal too or slightly above the GM in terms of say...

Jerry Reece and Tom Coughlin.
Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.
Micky Loomis and Sean Payton
Bill Polian and Tony Dungy

Not opposed to the idea of a different structure, but your claim is off the mark.



I havent' done a whole lot of research yet so the only guy I know of off the top of my head that fits my criteria is Andy Reid.

Oh....Hell no.

mcaj22
11-24-2012, 08:05 AM
if its not Chip Kelly or Bruce Arians and it has to be a veteran coach I'd take Andy Reid and his GMing/FO over any of those potential other retread/vet coaches and the Bill Polian type control GMs that come with that.

I'd be happy with any of those 3. All 3 I feel would be the best at player development and that is pretty much what we need right now

Molitoth
11-24-2012, 10:38 AM
A head coach should be able to pick the guys he wants to coach. Therefor we need to hire the HC first and have them select a GM they want to take care of the business side.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-24-2012, 12:01 PM
Intriguing choice. Giants have been solid for a while now.

Sounds like a winner to me.

whoman69
11-24-2012, 12:50 PM
I think both models can work. If you hire a coach who has a strong personnel sense then he should run everything except the contracts and the scouting. If you don't have that then you better rely more on a GM. I don't like the idea of a GM/coach as they flame out rather quickly.

DaneMcCloud
11-24-2012, 12:53 PM
A head coach should be able to pick the guys he wants to coach. Therefor we need to hire the HC first and have them select a GM they want to take care of the business side.

No. No, no, no, no, no.

DaneMcCloud
11-24-2012, 12:57 PM
JFC, people, you hire a head coach to assemble a coaching staff that fits his vision of the football team.

You hire a General Manager to hire regional and national scouts, a director of college scouting and a director of pro personnel to aquire the best players possible to fit the head coach's scheme.

It's not the other way around. Andy Reid is the most proof that coaches with personnel decision don't do either job well. Jimmy Johnson in Miami is another example.

The Team President runs the marketing and business side of the operations.

As for Pittsburgh, Dick Haley ran the personnel in the 70's and 80's, Tom Donohoe and Tom Modrak in the 90's and Kevin Colbert since the early part of 2000.

DaneMcCloud
11-24-2012, 12:59 PM
Think maybe Reid would bring this guy?

Mueller licked ass with the Dolphins and Saints.

Andy Reid can fuck off. If he's hired in Kansas City, I'm cancelling Sunday Ticket. He's a disaster at this point and needs a few years off to recover emotionally from the death of his son this past summer.

DenverDanChiefsFan
11-24-2012, 01:14 PM
JFC, people, you hire a head coach to assemble a coaching staff that fits his vision of the football team.

You hire a General Manager to hire regional and national scouts, a director of college scouting and a director of pro personnel to aquire the best players possible to fit the head coach's scheme.


I agree with this. Check the fucking egos at the door and work together to build and coach the best team possible.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-24-2012, 01:36 PM
No. No, no, no, no, no.

LMAO

Nightfyre
12-07-2012, 05:11 PM
Anybody give any thought to Mike Maccagnan out of Houston? Houston has drafted pretty well.

Sorter
12-07-2012, 06:12 PM
Anybody give any thought to Mike Maccagnan out of Houston? Houston has drafted pretty well.

Wouldn't be opposed to that.