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Mr. Laz
10-30-2012, 12:36 PM
i've been hesitant because if you clean house you almost always have to wait again for another 2/3 years.

Romeo is just terrible, Daboll sucks too

If we have to change Head coaches again then Pioli has to go too.

it's a shame, but necessary

I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy

Have no idea if anyone worth a shit is out there.

How good would we be if we had gotten Jim Harbaugh?

carry on with all your crazy conspiracy shit


:sulk:

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 12:37 PM
Harbaugh would never have chosen to work with an assclown like Pioli.

Never in a million fucking years. Keep in mind, Zorn wanted out, too.

Bowser
10-30-2012, 12:38 PM
Yep, burn it to the ground.

Jettison all the New England castoffs on this team - management and players - and start again.

loochy
10-30-2012, 12:38 PM
http://i.myniceprofile.com/126/12601.gif

Im glad you realize that nuking it from orbit is the only way to be sure

Bowser
10-30-2012, 12:39 PM
Harbaugh would never have chosen to work with an assclown like Pioli.

Never in a million fucking years. Keep in mind, Zorn wanted out, too.

Neither did Kyle Orton or Peyton Manning, either.

In fact, I can't imagine ONE impact free agent wanting to come play for this knob.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 12:40 PM
Wait 2-3 yrs for what? To be competitive?

Look at Indy.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 12:41 PM
I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy
LMAO

loochy
10-30-2012, 12:42 PM
LMAO

personal

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 12:43 PM
personal

LOL I just noticed that.

I'm assuming he meant personnel.

Bowser
10-30-2012, 12:43 PM
http://i.myniceprofile.com/126/12601.gif

Im glad you realize that nuking it from orbit is the only way to be sure

This video needs to be stickied until Pioli's Regime of Doom is ran out of the city....

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2s1MspmfEwg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 12:44 PM
Wait 2-3 yrs for what? To be competitive?

Look at Indy.

Ryan Grigson's done an incredible job for Indy. They've made a few trades, had a great draft and are slowly but surely putting it all together. Arians will definitely get a head coaching gig somewhere next year.

Grigson is the type of GM that the Chiefs need: Former D-I and NFL player, regional scout, pro personnel guy that worked his way up in an organization.

I don't expect the Chiefs to land the QB equivalent of Andrew Luck but they won't need another Luck IF they make the right moves this offseason.

The Bad Guy
10-30-2012, 12:45 PM
How can you say he's still a quality personnel guy? This roster sucks. He didn't pay Carr, he signed a garbage corner in Routt, Hudson looked like shit, Baldwin is invisible, Poe and Jackson are awful first round picks, there's no depth on the O-line or in the secondary.

When he doesn't have Belichick to hold his hand, he's one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 12:45 PM
I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy



There is absolutely no proof that exists that supports this statement.

From poor drafting to awful free agent acquisitions, Pioli has bungled the Chiefs personnel moreso than any person in the history of the franchise.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 12:47 PM
This video needs to be stickied until Pioli's Regime of Doom is ran out of the city....

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2s1MspmfEwg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fuckin' A

The Bad Guy
10-30-2012, 12:47 PM
I said this last night, but I really believe that Cowher will be the next HC. He'll have full control of football decisions and he'll bring someone to help run the football side.

One name I did hear yesterday was Polian with Cowher. Cowher and him apparently are close.

Not a fan of Polian though.

notorious
10-30-2012, 12:48 PM
Pioli is possibly one of the worst GM's in NFL history.

Der Flöprer
10-30-2012, 12:49 PM
Welcome aboard Laz. You deserve better. Now find me some nekkid pics of Hayden Pannitiere.

loochy
10-30-2012, 12:49 PM
How can you say he's still a quality personnel guy? This roster sucks. He didn't pay Carr, he signed a garbage corner in Routt, Hudson looked like shit, Baldwin is invisible, Poe and Jackson are awful first round picks, there's no depth on the O-line or in the secondary.

When he doesn't have Belichick to hold his hand, he's one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

Hali is good...oh wait. Well, Flowers is good...oh wait. Jamaal Charles is good...oh wait...

Uhm...McCluster scored a garbage time TD last week!

MOhillbilly
10-30-2012, 12:49 PM
How can you say he's still a quality personnel guy? This roster sucks. He didn't pay Carr, he signed a garbage corner in Routt, Hudson looked like shit, Baldwin is invisible, Poe and Jackson are awful first round picks, there's no depth on the O-line or in the secondary.

When he doesn't have Belichick to hold his hand, he's one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

This x infinity

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 12:50 PM
I said this last night, but I really believe that Cowher will be the next HC. He'll have full control of football decisions and he'll bring someone to help run the football side.

One name I did hear yesterday was Polian with Cowher. Cowher and him apparently are close.

Not a fan of Polian though.

I don't care for Polian whatsoever.

With all of the coaching vacancies in 2013 (San Diego, Carolina, Cleveland, etc.), I'd be shocked that Cowher, if he decides to return, would choose Kansas City.

That seems like a very long shot to me.

bevischief
10-30-2012, 12:50 PM
i've been hesitant because if you clean house you almost always have to wait again for another 2/3 years.

Romeo is just terrible, Daboll sucks too

If we have to change Head coaches again then Pioli has to go too.

it's a shame, but necessary

I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy

Have no idea if anyone worth a shit is out there.

How good would we be if we had gotten Jim Harbaugh?

carry on with all your crazy conspiracy shit


:sulk:

Welcome aboard the Crazy train.

siberian khatru
10-30-2012, 12:56 PM
Pioli is possibly one of the worst GM's in NFL history.

I'm shocked at how bad he's been.

I figured if he failed, it would be the way Carl failed -- field competitive teams that couldn't get over the hump. You think that even if Belichick and Brady were the keys to SB titles, Pioli in his time at NE at least would've figured out how to field a decent team. Hell, Dimitroff did.

But Pioli has been exposed as one of the biggest frauds in recent NFL history.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 01:06 PM
I'm shocked at how bad he's been.

I figured if he failed, it would be the way Carl failed -- field competitive teams that couldn't get over the hump. You think that even if Belichick and Brady were the keys to SB titles, Pioli in his time at NE at least would've figured out how to field a decent team. Hell, Dimitroff did.

But Pioli has been exposed as one of the biggest frauds in recent NFL history.

I can't even comprehend this level of fail.

Even Houston Astro fans are astounded by this level of failure.

The Bad Guy
10-30-2012, 01:09 PM
Pioli is the absolute worst.

Think about the fact he's lost 29 of his last 41 games at Arrowhead. The Raiders have won 2 games at Arrowhead in the last 10 months. The Chiefs have won zero.

It's his 2nd 1-6 start in 4 years.

htismaqe
10-30-2012, 01:10 PM
What conspiracy?

Pioli and his band of goons flat out suck.

It's painfully obvious, no conspiracy needed.

FAX
10-30-2012, 01:15 PM
It's unfortunate, but when you back off and look at this situation coolly and objectively (which is what I hope Clark is doing) then base your analysis on the totality of Pioli's performance in Kansas city, you are forced to arrive at the conclusion that he is functionally incompetent.

I've know a few people who have risen to the very top in their respective fields who were functionally incompetent - two in the music industry and one in financial planning. It happens. It starts by being in the right place at the right time. It's a combination of pure, blind luck and associating with people who are highly effective. Then, you capitalize on the organization's accomplishments by positioning yourself as a principal factor in that success. Soon, your name becomes synonymous with achievements that were, in actual fact, the work of others.

The fascinating part is that each of the men I've known who found themselves in that situation did not know the difference. They actually believed that they were responsible (in large measure, at least) for their success. How they convince themselves of it, I do not know.

Pioli is simply the product of a system. He was part gofer and part media figurehead. And the public persona and reputation he cultivated over the years did not reflect his true abilities.

Worst of all, he honestly believed that he could do the job here ... and probably still does. And that, my friends, is dangerous. He will say the things he's learned to say in public, and they'll sound reasonable. Meanwhile, privately he doesn't understand why things aren't working. He's probably imagining that time alone will correct the problems. But he will lack the capacity to see himself as the issue and, in his mind, any fault or failure will have an external cause. It's why we've spun our wheels as we've continually dug the hole deeper and deeper and it's why Clark must fire him as quickly as possible. There is a form of madness in Pioli for which the only cure is failure.

FAX

DJ's left nut
10-30-2012, 01:21 PM
Well praise Jesus, everyone.

We can finally get started with this thing, Laz is on board.

Halle-fucking-lujah.

P.S. Laz is still a goddamn moron.

the Talking Can
10-30-2012, 01:37 PM
what makes everything so clear is to just look at other 'rebuilding' teams and the difference a single good decision can make...

Harbaugh v haley/crennel

basically any QB drafted in the first round v Cassel

too many draft picks to list

pioli doesn't deserve the right to make any more important decisions for this franchise...he has disqualified himself

L.A. Chieffan
10-30-2012, 01:38 PM
FUCK YOU

Count Alex's Losses
10-30-2012, 01:39 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22300676.jpg

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 01:42 PM
What conspiracy?

Pioli and his band of goons flat out suck.

It's painfully obvious, no conspiracy needed.

I think he's referring to the 'head injuries'.

Count Alex's Losses
10-30-2012, 01:43 PM
Fuckin' A

I say we grease this rat fuck son of a bitch right now.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-30-2012, 01:51 PM
WHEW! WE CAN ALL BREATHE A HUGE FUCKING SIGH OF RELIEF NOW!@!@

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 01:54 PM
I said this last night, but I really believe that Cowher will be the next HC. He'll have full control of football decisions and he'll bring someone to help run the football side.

One name I did hear yesterday was Polian with Cowher. Cowher and him apparently are close.

Not a fan of Polian though.

Where'd you hear this at? I don't like Polian either but atleast he gets fired after being successful first.

boogblaster
10-30-2012, 01:58 PM
How can you say he's still a quality personnel guy? This roster sucks. He didn't pay Carr, he signed a garbage corner in Routt, Hudson looked like shit, Baldwin is invisible, Poe and Jackson are awful first round picks, there's no depth on the O-line or in the secondary.

When he doesn't have Belichick to hold his hand, he's one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

yuppppp .....

Mr. Arrowhead
10-30-2012, 02:05 PM
Carl Peterson>Scott Pioli
and the sad part is, its not even close

tooge
10-30-2012, 02:20 PM
Look, we all wanted Pioli at the time he was hired. At least the majority of us did, and I know I was one of the fans that did. Here we are 4 years later, and it is painfully evident that his system simply isn't working. His egotistical ways have run good people off, his reputation has kept free agents away, and his drafting has been very mediocre. Romeo Crennel is a decent defensive coordinator, but he's over his head as a head coach. He got a great effort from his team last year in two of the last three games against two crappy teams and one that dropped about a dozen balls (Packers). Daboll, I'm not sure about to be honest. He has no QB, the O line is a mess with the center out and a rook playing guard, and his receiving corps is very pedestrian. It's time to blow it up. It's time for a completely different style of management, coaching, and playing. It's like the players want to play but they just arent being coached or motivated to do so. Time to start over Clark. Your father did it in 1988, and the fans got on board. Time to do the same. Fire Pioli, bring in an inspiring head coach, let them build their staff, draft a QB in the first round, and the fans will follow. Anything short of that, and it's 1985 all over again as far as fan devotion goes.

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-30-2012, 02:23 PM
I wanted him until he committed the ultimate betrayal by bringing bag o' dicks on board...

DJ's left nut
10-30-2012, 02:23 PM
Tooge.

Nobody cares.

The key takeaway from this thread is that Laz agrees with you. Nothing else matters, good sir. We respect your take and I'm sure you lovingly crafted that wall o' text, but it's immaterial.

Laz loves you, and that's all there is.

Rausch
10-30-2012, 02:24 PM
I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy

...

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/05/09/will-smith-is-confused.jpg

Count Alex's Losses
10-30-2012, 02:31 PM
Laz, where are my props?

Frosty
10-30-2012, 02:32 PM
I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy




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DJ's left nut
10-30-2012, 02:35 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/5bbpds.jpg

Laz would bang her.

Frosty
10-30-2012, 02:37 PM
Laz would bang her.

Would you blame him?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-30-2012, 02:39 PM
So would I.

htismaqe
10-30-2012, 02:43 PM
I think he's referring to the 'head injuries'.

Given his history, I imagine he's talking about "Arrowhead Anxiety".

Laz has said from the beginning that none of that matters and it's just there as something for some of us to bitch about.

Otter
10-30-2012, 02:44 PM
Well Laz is in, we can finally move forward.

DJ's left nut
10-30-2012, 02:45 PM
Would you blame him?

Of course not.

But the key is that he's finally on board. If not, I don't think I could talk myself into throwing that girl a bone. Repeatedly.

Saulbadguy
10-30-2012, 02:48 PM
Well praise Jesus, everyone.

We can finally get started with this thing, Laz is on board.

Halle-fucking-lujah.

P.S. Laz is still a goddamn moron.

LMAO

Frazod
10-30-2012, 02:54 PM
Well Laz is in, we can finally move forward.

Somebody text Clark! LMAO

tooge
10-30-2012, 03:21 PM
Tooge.

Nobody cares.

The key takeaway from this thread is that Laz agrees with you. Nothing else matters, good sir. We respect your take and I'm sure you lovingly crafted that wall o' text, but it's immaterial.

Laz loves you, and that's all there is.

this is true. It's not just one more person, its LAZ

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 03:26 PM
Laz would bang her.

Who wouldn't?

loochy
10-30-2012, 03:30 PM
Who wouldn't?

Omaha. She's too fat.

BigChiefTablet
10-30-2012, 03:31 PM
Well, now that you're on board, I guess we can get started then.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 03:40 PM
Omaha. She's too fat.

ROFL

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 03:41 PM
i've been hesitant because if you clean house you almost always have to wait again for another 2/3 years.

Romeo is just terrible, Daboll sucks too

If we have to change Head coaches again then Pioli has to go too.

it's a shame, but necessary

I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy

Have no idea if anyone worth a shit is out there.

How good would we be if we had gotten Jim Harbaugh?

carry on with all your crazy conspiracy shit


:sulk:

When 20 people witness a murder, it's a murder, not a conspiracy.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 03:48 PM
How can you say he's still a quality personnel guy? This roster sucks. He didn't pay Carr, he signed a garbage corner in Routt, Hudson looked like shit, Baldwin is invisible, Poe and Jackson are awful first round picks, there's no depth on the O-line or in the secondary.

When he doesn't have Belichick to hold his hand, he's one of the worst talent evaluators in the NFL.

Routt solidifies Pioli's complete lack of competence in evaluating talent. Cassel himself provides more than enough proof, since "no one knew him better" than Pioli. Furthermore, Pioli went solo for the '09 draft and completely shit himself.

Thus, while the early moves were often disregarded and excused, Routt brings everything full circle.

Pioli is one embarrassing, fraudulent motherfucker.

Flachief58
10-30-2012, 03:50 PM
i've been hesitant because if you clean house you almost always have to wait again for another 2/3 years.

Romeo is just terrible, Daboll sucks too

If we have to change Head coaches again then Pioli has to go too.

it's a shame, but necessary

I still think Pioli is a quality player personal guy

Have no idea if anyone worth a shit is out there.

How good would we be if we had gotten Jim Harbaugh?

carry on with all your crazy conspiracy shit


:sulk:

Breaking 70 year old records for suck will break even the strongest fans

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 03:57 PM
This year has been funny. For example, 810 is now banging the loudest drum about the overall importance of the QB position. "Teams cannot win without it!"

And CP has been saying this, literally, for years. Oh well, and least public pressure is going to force correct decisions.

And I agree with TBG; it's going to be Cowher, and Pioli might even remain a figurehead GM/contract guy, while Chin has full say about personnel. And watch Pioli suddenly "improve" because he'll be stripped of all true decision-making ability, whether it's publicly announced or not.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 03:59 PM
-Arrowhead Anxiety was not a conspiracy. It was an incredibly comprehensive, fair piece
-The comments about Scott Pioli being a dick... they're backed by Whitlock claiming he was completely disrespectful. -They're backed by the idea that
-The comments about Scott Pioli being obsessive about his reputation... talk to any person who's written about the Chiefs. Pioli literally reaches out to let you know he approves/disapproves
-Pioli is the guy driving the silence machine. Babb and Whitlock turned on him. And it's all an invention in Scott's mind. Donovan and Hunt both gave opinions in Arrowhead Anxiety. Guess who did NOT. Clark Hunt defended the fans. Guess who did not.
-Blaming the QB decision on Pioli isn't conspiracy. He's the boss. He has final say in personnel. Layer in reports from credible sources that Haley wanted Hasselbeck and Dick Haley didn't like Cassel. Layer in speculation that Weis didn't like Cassel either.
-The lack of depth is on Pioli. 100% on Pioli.
-Blaming the poor coach choices is on Pioli.
-Pretty clear and obvious implication that the poor coaching choices are a product of Pioli's stubborn insistence to build one scheme and one scheme only. He has hired 2 head coaches, 5 coordinators. Only one of them (Pendergast) didn't have connection to erhardt-perkins or 2-gap 3-4. And Pendergast was forced to run a defense outside of his expertise and was quickly forced out
-Did Pioli wiretap? I don't know. What I know is there are lots of stories about there of micromanagement. And this super-secretive organization somehow managed to "leak" several stories about Haley going to Lil Wayne concerts and eating pizza with his family. There's something fishy there

These are not conspiracies. How can you act like these stories don't tell a pretty glaringly obvious story that Pioli has run this team extraordinarily dysfunctionally.

Oh Snap
10-30-2012, 04:00 PM
This team is going to have to be blown up if we expect to ever get back on the right track. It might take an Indianapolis Colt like blow up to rectify this team. Get rid of quality yet aging players who still have great trade value and bring in young impact players.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 04:02 PM
This team is going to have to be blown up if we expect to ever get back on the right track. It might take an Indianapolis Colt like blow up to rectify this team. Get rid of quality yet aging players who still have great value and bring in young impact players.

This team isn't that far away. They need quality coaching and a franchise QB. But our GM doesn't deserve the chance to do that, nor is he ever going to get a quality coach without a huge stroke of luck.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 04:03 PM
Pioli isn't going to get the next coach; Clark is.

Clark will hire and empower him, and Pioli is going to be turned into a glorified "yes" man, which is the job he excelled at in NE.

Frosty
10-30-2012, 04:04 PM
This team is going to have to be blown up if we expect to ever get back on the right track. It might take an Indianapolis Colt like blow up to rectify this team. Get rid of quality yet aging players who still have great trade value and bring in young impact players.

The oldest players on the team are 30. There aren't that many players that would fit the "quality but aging" profile. Most of the 30 year olds blow (Cassel, Lilja, Elam).

The Bad Guy
10-30-2012, 04:05 PM
This year has been funny. For example, 810 is now banging the loudest drum about the overall importance of the QB position. "Teams cannot win without it!"

And CP has been saying this, literally, for years. Oh well, and least public pressure is going to force correct decisions.

And I agree with TBG; it's going to be Cowher, and Pioli might even remain a figurehead GM/contract guy, while Chin has full say about personnel. And watch Pioli suddenly "improve" because he'll be stripped of all true decision-making ability, whether it's publicly announced or not.

According to what I've heard, there's no way in hell Cowher will come anywhere near here with Pioli. They tried to hire Cowher in 2009 and he wouldn't work with Pioli then.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 04:07 PM
According to what I've heard, there's no way in hell Cowher will come anywhere near here with Pioli. They tried to hire Cowher in 2009 and he wouldn't work with Pioli then.

Interesting. I do think he would take the job (sans Pioli, of course, then) because I believe that Clark could sell him on "returning to his roots" etc.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:07 PM
According to what I've heard, there's no way in hell Cowher will come anywhere near here with Pioli. They tried to hire Cowher in 2009 and he wouldn't work with Pioli then.

Did you hear about Polian/Cowher from your source?

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:14 PM
Why would Bill Cowher choose Kansas City over San Diego (perhaps the most beautiful city in America with an amazing climate) or Carolina (where he and his family reside) or even Cleveland, who has a potential franchise QB, WR and RB in place?

I'm not doubting The Bad Guy's source, I just can't see Cowher choosing Kansas City, especially when Jimmy Haslem was a minority owner of the Steelers.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 04:16 PM
Why would Bill Cowher choose Kansas City over San Diego (perhaps the most beautiful city in America with an amazing climate) or Carolina (where he and his family reside) or even Cleveland, who has a potential franchise QB, WR and RB in place?

I'm not doubting The Bad Guy's source, I just can't see Cowher choosing Kansas City, especially when Jimmy Haslem was a minority owner of the Steelers.

Because he has KC ties and, perhaps most importantly, he'll be able to hand-pick his franchise QB, and Cowher, more than anyone, understands the importance of the QB.

Sometimes home isn't always the best place for one to be in professional sports because of the distractions.

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Because he has KC ties and, perhaps most importantly, he'll be able to hand-pick his franchise QB, and Cowher, more than anyone, understands the importance of the QB.

Sometimes home isn't always the best place for one to be in professional sports because of the distractions.

Cowher has ties to Cleveland and Carolina as well and he was only in KC for the 1989-1991 seasons. That was a long, long time ago.

I just can't imagine Cowher in KC. I guess we'll all know soon enough.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Cowher has ties to Cleveland and Carolina as well.

I just can't imagine Cowher in KC. I guess we'll all know soon enough.

I think Kansas City is a quicker fix.

Reerun_KC
10-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Because he has KC ties and, perhaps most importantly, he'll be able to hand-pick his franchise QB, and Cowher, more than anyone, understands the importance of the QB.

Sometimes home isn't always the best place for one to be in professional sports because of the distractions.

He should, His track record of QB's is fucking pathetic.... Shit his QB's outside of rape boy were atrocious and Cassel like...

I really hope he stays in the studio or goes somewhere else.

Reerun_KC
10-30-2012, 04:20 PM
I think Kansas City is a quicker fix.

based on what?

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:21 PM
based on what?

Compare the rosters.

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:22 PM
I think Kansas City is a quicker fix.

And I think Cleveland is a quicker fix.

Weedon, Richardson and Gordon over ?, Charles and ?

Oh Snap
10-30-2012, 04:22 PM
This team isn't that far away. They need quality coaching and a franchise QB. But our GM doesn't deserve the chance to do that, nor is he ever going to get a quality coach without a huge stroke of luck.

The oldest players on the team are 30. There aren't that many players that would fit the "quality but aging" profile. Most of the 30 year olds blow (Cassel, Lilja, Elam).

I think the main issues concerning this team are coaching and poor front office decisions in regards to personnel grouping. The fact that Matt Cassel has been given free reign as QB without so much as any competition for the past four years is absolutely inexcusable!

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:24 PM
And I think Cleveland is a quicker fix.

Weedon, Richardson and Gordon over ?, Charles and ?

Chiefs play in an easier division and I also don't think Weeden is that good. He's also almost 30.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 04:26 PM
Cowher has ties to Cleveland and Carolina as well and he was only in KC for the 1989-1991 seasons. That was a long, long time ago.

I just can't imagine Cowher in KC. I guess we'll all know soon enough.

Cleveland is not a desirable spot, IMO. Weeden is too old to gamble on for a guy like Cowher. Similarly, Cam is showing all sorts of red flags.

SD is obviously a better landing spot in terms of climate, city, etc., but the fan base is a joke, the team may or may not move, and Rivers has regressed severely.

KC is not bereft of talent, but the front office incompetence is turning everything else into a clusterfuck; far worse than it would be otherwise.

New GM, HC, and QB will solve a lot of problems just because of a true "change in culture." The team simply must get rid of the Mickey Moose bullshit.

loochy
10-30-2012, 04:27 PM
I'm hungry for some banana bread.

Rausch
10-30-2012, 04:29 PM
He should, His track record of QB's is ****ing pathetic.... Shit his QB's outside of rape boy were atrocious and Cassel like...

I really hope he stays in the studio or goes somewhere else.

He's the perfect HC then because this town has only had 2 decent QB's in 30 years and Cowher's been able to win playoff games without one...

Frosty
10-30-2012, 04:29 PM
Similarly, Cam is showing all sorts of red flags.

It also appears that the ownership in Carolina is doing everything they can for Cam, much like Tennessee did for Vince Young. An experienced coach may not want that albatross around their neck.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 04:35 PM
Cam is showing all sorts of red flags.

I see I'm not alone here.

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:35 PM
Cleveland is not a desirable spot, IMO. Weeden is too old to gamble on for a guy like Cowher. Similarly, Cam is showing all sorts of red flags.

I would counter that both Cleveland and Carolina will be choosing Top Five in the draft and therefore any new GM/Coach combo could move on from the incumbents rather easily.

Cleveland has a built-in audience, a solid offensive line, and two burgeoning stars in Richardson and Gordon. They're not that far away from competing, especially since the Bengals and Ravens can never seem to get over the hump.

As for Carolina, they have running backs to trade as well as Newton. It could potentially be a clean slate for the newcomers with a solid defense in place and a division undergoing transformation.

As for San Diego, what could be better than living in San Diego, having both offensive and defensive talent with the possibility of moving to one of the hottest spots in the country in Los Angeles?

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:37 PM
Also Cleveland is a fucking shithole

Frosty
10-30-2012, 04:39 PM
Also Cleveland is a ****ing shithole

I wonder if Cleveland being in the same division as the Steelers would be a plus or a minus for Cowher? He seems proud of his Steelers legacy, so I don't know if he would want to be "the enemy" to the Steeler faithful.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:41 PM
I wonder if Cleveland being in the same division as the Steelers would be a plus or a minus for Cowher? He seems proud of his Steelers legacy, so I don't know if he would want to be "the enemy" to the Steeler faithful.

That's a good point.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 04:42 PM
Cleveland is not a desirable spot, IMO. Weeden is too old to gamble on for a guy like Cowher. Similarly, Cam is showing all sorts of red flags.

SD is obviously a better landing spot in terms of climate, city, etc., but the fan base is a joke, the team may or may not move, and Rivers has regressed severely.

KC is not bereft of talent, but the front office incompetence is turning everything else into a cluster****; far worse than it would be otherwise.

New GM, HC, and QB will solve a lot of problems just because of a true "change in culture." The team simply must get rid of the Mickey Moose bullshit.

Why is Cleveland an undesirable spot? Their defense is ascending, they have a terrific running game and great offensive line. They're just a maturing QB and 1-2 WRs away from being serious contenders.

Plus, they're going to be run by Joe Banner, who knows a thing or two about football. Then again, I bet that means Andy Reid is a favorite to go there.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 04:42 PM
I would counter that both Cleveland and Carolina will be choosing Top Five in the draft and therefore any new GM/Coach combo could move on from the incumbents rather easily.

Cleveland has a built-in audience, a solid offensive line, and two burgeoning stars in Richardson and Gordon. They're not that far away from competing, especially since the Bengals and Ravens can never seem to get over the hump.

As for Carolina, they have running backs to trade as well as Newton. It could potentially be a clean slate for the newcomers with a solid defense in place and a division undergoing transformation.

As for San Diego, what could be better than living in San Diego, having both offensive and defensive talent with the possibility of moving to one of the hottest spots in the country in Los Angeles?

Ravens and Steelers are pretty big obstacles for Cleveland. While I like Richardson, I'm not banking on a RB.

Carolina would be fine, but many thought he might have already gone there if there was true interest on his part. Again, home isn't always the best landing spot for an NFL coach.

SD is OK, but I'm not impressed with their roster. Injured RB, sub-par WRs, regressing QB, OK defensive talent. Pretty "meh" in my view, but living in SD could be worse, for sure.

KC, has much potential on the roster, and the fan base/atmosphere is second-to-none when things are up and running. I honestly believe that a coach might look at KC's roster and think it's a QB away. That might be a bit optimistic in reality, but it's really not that far from true, either.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:42 PM
SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter
Bill Polian on Brady Quinn: "He can manage the game ... Not sure he can carry a team on his back." (#FanForum question via @bortofever)


uhhh

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:43 PM
I wonder if Cleveland being in the same division as the Steelers would be a plus or a minus for Cowher? He seems proud of his Steelers legacy, so I don't know if he would want to be "the enemy" to the Steeler faithful.

Like Marty coaching for the Chargers? Or Parcells coaching the Jets, Patriots and running the Dolphins?

Seriously, I don't think it matters. Cowher, IF he chooses to coach again, will go wherever he feels he has the best and quickest chance to win and win big.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 04:44 PM
I wish people would stop pumping up Cowher here.

He's going to want to coach for a team that gives him say in personnel. And I haven't seen many examples of that ending well for anyone. It's the main reason you stay away from retreads.

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:45 PM
Ravens and Steelers are pretty big obstacles for Cleveland. While I like Richardson, I'm not banking on a RB.

Carolina would be fine, but many thought he might have already gone there if there was true interest on his part. Again, home isn't always the best landing spot for an NFL coach.

SD is OK, but I'm not impressed with their roster. Injured RB, sub-par WRs, regressing QB, OK defensive talent. Pretty "meh" in my view, but living in SD could be worse, for sure.

KC, has much potential on the roster, and the fan base/atmosphere is second-to-none when things are up and running. I honestly believe that a coach might look at KC's roster and think it's a QB away. That might be a bit optimistic in reality, but it's really not that far from true, either.

If you're a guy like Cowher that basically has his pick of the litter, if he decides to return to NFL coaching, quality of life has to be a consideration.

With that in mind, Carolina and San Diego make the most sense for him.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:45 PM
I wish people would stop pumping up Cowher here.

He's going to want to coach for a team that gives him say in personnel. And I haven't seen many examples of that ending well for anyone. It's the main reason you stay away from retreads.

What are you basing this on?

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 04:46 PM
SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter
Bill Polian on Brady Quinn: "He can manage the game ... Not sure he can carry a team on his back." (#FanForum question via @bortofever)
:spock:

Flachief58
10-30-2012, 04:47 PM
SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter
Bill Polian on Brady Quinn: "He can manage the game ... Not sure he can carry a team on his back." (#FanForum question via @bortofever)


uhhh

He's not wrong, Brady can manage to lose the game as well as anyone

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 04:48 PM
I wonder if Cleveland being in the same division as the Steelers would be a plus or a minus for Cowher? He seems proud of his Steelers legacy, so I don't know if he would want to be "the enemy" to the Steeler faithful.

Another thing to consider in regards to Cleveland is the Rooney's may tell Cowher that Jimmy Haslam is the bomb. He's 81 years old and wants to win quickly.

There are all kinds of factors at play, although the biggest is that Cowher hasn't indicated that he's even interested in returning to the NFL.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 04:49 PM
Also Cleveland is a fucking shithole

Have you ever been there?

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:49 PM
Have you ever been there?

Yes.

Frosty
10-30-2012, 04:49 PM
Like Marty coaching for the Chargers? Or Parcells coaching the Jets, Patriots and running the Dolphins?

Seriously, I don't think it matters. Cowher, IF he chooses to coach again, will go wherever he feels he has the best and quickest chance to win and win big.

Well, Marty didn't really accomplish anything with the Chiefs and Parcells to the Cowboys would be a better example since he won the SB with the Giants.

However, if you watch the CBS pregame show, you can tell that Cowher still identifies strongly with the Steelers, which is why I mentioned it. Other coaches may not care about stuff like that.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 04:50 PM
What are you basing this on?

It comes up every time he is in a head coach search. And it comes from plenty of good sources.

DeezNutz
10-30-2012, 04:50 PM
I wish people would stop pumping up Cowher here.

He's going to want to coach for a team that gives him say in personnel. And I haven't seen many examples of that ending well for anyone. It's the main reason you stay away from retreads.

Except for Cowher himself, of course, when he won the power struggle in Pitts.

Rausch
10-30-2012, 04:53 PM
He's going to want to coach for a team that gives him say in personnel. And I haven't seen many examples of that ending well for anyone. It's the main reason you stay away from retreads.

Other than Marv Levy, The Hoodie, and Parcells...

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 04:55 PM
Another wild card could be the Cowboys. No way Garrett keeps his job if they miss the playoffs.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 04:56 PM
Other than Marv Levy, The Hoodie, and Parcells...

Okay, fair point. But I still hate the idea. Remember that Cowher refused to coach anywhere unless he brought the Steelers' GM with him. That Steelers' GM has been pretty questionable the last few years.

I don't want a head coach who is going to demand who his boss is.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 04:59 PM
Yes.

When?

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 05:02 PM
Yes.

I've been to so many cities and really they are basically the same.

Well, except for Detroit. That place is scary.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 05:03 PM
When?

3 or 4 years ago when I helped my friend move from Akron.

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 05:04 PM
I've been to so many cities and really they are basically the same.

Well, except for Detroit. That place is scary.

Wow, interesting. I find most cities to be quite a bit different, especially if you're comparing coastal cities to midwestern cities.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 05:06 PM
3 or 4 years ago when I helped my friend move from Akron.

Hey, you should have stopped by and said HI.

I was in the Akron area then. :)

IMO, all these cities are about the same. They all have their bad areas and good areas.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 05:07 PM
3 or 4 years ago when I helped my friend move from Akron.

I don't think a head coach cares about the city he works in. You're old enough to not care if you're surrounded by bright lights and you're working 24 hours a day anyway. And I think his kids are old enough that they won't care either.

For a player, yes. For a coach, I doubt it matters much at all.

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 05:07 PM
Wow, interesting. I find most cities to be quite a bit different, especially if you're comparing coastal cities to midwestern cities.

Not familiar with coastal cities.

I'm just comparing appearance.

Chocolate Hog
10-30-2012, 05:07 PM
Hey, you should have stopped by and said HI.

I was in the Akron area then. :)

IMO, all these cities are about the same. They all have their bad areas and good areas.

It wasn't much different than here but the weather off the lake fucking sucks

DaneMcCloud
10-30-2012, 05:10 PM
Not familiar with coastal cities.

I'm just comparing appearance.

Ah

BigMeatballDave
10-30-2012, 05:12 PM
It wasn't much different than here but the weather off the lake fucking sucks

Yeah, I do not miss lake-effect snow.

In that regard, yes, Cleveland is a shithole.

I don't think Cleveland is bad, its just forgettable. No redeeming qualities. That goes for all Ohio cities, now that I think about it.

chiefzilla1501
10-30-2012, 05:19 PM
Yeah, I do not miss lake-effect snow.

In that regard, yes, Cleveland is a shithole.

I don't think Cleveland is bad, its just forgettable. No redeeming qualities. That goes for all Ohio cities, now that I think about it.

Cleveland, Akron, Dayton, Toledo, Cincinnati... yes. Columbus is different. Whether you like the Buckeyes or not, football weekend at Ohio State is a very interesting experience.