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Boss Hog
11-04-2012, 10:06 PM
The Bills suck and Chan Gailey is the reason why. Why did Todd Haley fire him? He seems like he could be a good OC but he's a terrible head coach.

Inmem58
11-04-2012, 10:06 PM
Littering on the premises.

Chiefspants
11-04-2012, 10:08 PM
He and Haley had different offensive philosophies.

KCChiefsFan88
11-04-2012, 10:08 PM
This is a relevant topic.

Phobia
11-04-2012, 10:09 PM
Chan was fired because he lied on his resume and said he coached for the Patriots. When Pioli's secret agents found out he was escorted from the premises.

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2012, 10:45 PM
He and Haley had different offensive philosophies.

That's untrue. Both run the Erhardt/Perkins offense.

Todd fired him because of his ego.

Count Zarth
11-04-2012, 10:46 PM
He was way too smart for these Patriotard Way fuckers.

Chiefspants
11-04-2012, 10:56 PM
That's untrue. Both run the Erhardt/Perkins offense.

Todd fired him because of his ego.

I was certain that I read that Chan wanted to continue the spread style offense he ran with THIGPEN in 2008, perhaps I was mistaken?

chiefzilla1501
11-04-2012, 11:01 PM
That's untrue. Both run the Erhardt/Perkins offense.

Todd fired him because of his ego.

I don't think it's ego as much as it is having a certain style and expecting to work in that style. Offensive coaches are very strong-minded when it comes to scheme. I think it's absolutely outrageous that a front office would hire an OC without any input whatsoever from the head coach. Yet another example of how laughably arrogant our front office is.

It's not like it's uncommon. McCarthy and Whisenhunt have pretty much de facto OCs. Shurmur calls plays in Cleveland. If Haley wanted strong say in play calling, the front office should have listened. Instead, for 2 years, they didn't listen to their head coach. What else is new? I would have liked to have seen how Haley would have done with a bright mind who was willing to play more of an offensive coordinator support role vs. being full-time play caller. But again, we will never know the answers to these things because Pioli didn't even try it.

KCrockaholic
11-04-2012, 11:07 PM
Because Todd wanted his offense to be ran one way. Gailey wanted it a different way. It came down to that, and the fact that Haley felt more comfortable calling his own plays.

chiefzilla1501
11-04-2012, 11:11 PM
Because Todd wanted his offense to be ran one way. Gailey wanted it a different way. It came down to that, and the fact that Haley felt more comfortable calling his own plays.

Yup. It's pretty demeaning when your head coach asks to call his own plays, and the GM bullheadedly hires two strong-minded offensive coordinators who would control the entire offensive system. In year 1, Pioli didn't give Haley nearly enough help. In year 2, he gave him way more help than Haley wanted. In year 3... I still believe that the Muir hiring validates Gretz's point that Pioli was trying to sabotage Haley to give him an excuse to be fired.

KCrockaholic
11-04-2012, 11:13 PM
Didn't Muir like fall asleep during a game once or something...

Falling asleep. Throwing a temper tantrum like Daboll. Neither way seems to work.

My favorite thing about Haley other than he demanded a lot from the players was that he was a passionate coach. He cared about everything that went on, and he always gave his best. When he ran around cursing out players, and yelling at Bowe cause he was lined up incorrectly, it wasn't cause he was just an asshole, it was cause he cared about the team....

Romeo is like watching a toad wait for a fly to go by.

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Chocolate Hog
11-04-2012, 11:26 PM
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BossChief
11-04-2012, 11:27 PM
That's untrue. Both run the Erhardt/Perkins offense.

Todd fired him because of his ego.

I asked this question a year or so ago to someone that has direct knowledge of the situation (same guy that gave me the information about the Todd/Josh finger pointing incident and how the backstory was that Josh had cheated in the game and Haley basically caught him...my info was later backed up by Dustin Colquit a month or so later) and was told that the biggest reason was that Todd wanted to be very hard on the players and to build their mental tougness up and Gailey somewhat undermined that and somewhat consoled the players after getting verbally assaulted by Haley.

Gaily is more of a nice guy that talks and is passive in his ways of dealing with problems...Haley was like a clone of Bill Parcells in that he would try to destroy a player in practice so that the player would be ready for almost anything during a game.

Todd caught wind of it and had a couple talks with Chan about it and when it continued, Todd fired him.

Todd basically ripped up every page of his playbook that the team had been working on to that point when he did so, too...fearing that Chan would use that information by sharing it with opposing teams.

KCrockaholic
11-04-2012, 11:31 PM
I could definitely see that.

BossChief
11-04-2012, 11:55 PM
I could definitely see that.

It's what happened.

What's more fucked up is that it's a similar reason of why Haley was fired.

Haley knew Cassel didn't have the mental toughness the position requires to be successful and was positive about it leading into 2010. Weis was brought in to be the "good cop" and to "fix the quarterback" and Pioli genuinely thought Haley was destroying his prized quarterback with his hard coaching. (sad, huh...fuck Pioli)

This part is partially my speculation...Weis left because he knew two things...Cassel was mentally weak and was very limited physically and that there was no way the team was gonna win a championship with a limited qb and a head coach that was overly demanding and a bit of a prick.

He knew staying would be a "coach killer" and that he was better off to get out asap. Probably wishes he wouldn't have ever came here.

BossChief
11-05-2012, 12:01 AM
I love how people throw out that Haley was just throwing up a big f-u to Pioli by aging Palko...Haley was directly told that Stanzi wouldn't play a snap his rookie season and Palko was the backup. That's the patriot way. Rookie qbs are inactive and get a "redshift year" (that's also why I want Pioli gone asap) Haley got Orton up to speed asap and when he was brought in he broke his finger on his first pass and would have started the next game...but wasn't coming in to fully take over during that flea ficker play.

Pioli is one big old pussy...

Here is what you have to work with (Cassel and Palko) and if you can't win playoff games with it, you're out and I'll find a coach who can.

BossChief
11-05-2012, 12:01 AM
Sorry about the typos...posting from phone.

rtmike
11-05-2012, 12:11 AM
Not that big of a deal but I remember reading or hearing that Haley wanted more routes over the middle & Chan wouldn't have any part of it.

Count Zarth
11-05-2012, 12:14 AM
The best game Cassel played the last two seasons was with Haley breathing fire up his ass.

V. Minnesota last year.

KCrockaholic
11-05-2012, 12:15 AM
So why haven't they considered giving a Stanzi a chance now that he's not a rookie. He could just as easily have 18 turnovers like Cassel. Hell, he'd probably be doing better than that right now.

KCrockaholic
11-05-2012, 12:16 AM
The best game Cassel played the last two seasons was with Haley breathing fire up his ass.

V. Minnesota last year.

Was at that game, watched the argument up close. It was great stuff.

13and3
11-05-2012, 06:28 AM
I asked this question a year or so ago to someone that has direct knowledge of the situation (same guy that gave me the information about the Todd/Josh finger pointing incident and how the backstory was that Josh had cheated in the game and Haley basically caught him...my info was later backed up by Dustin Colquit a month or so later) and was told that the biggest reason was that Todd wanted to be very hard on the players and to build their mental tougness up and Gailey somewhat undermined that and somewhat consoled the players after getting verbally assaulted by Haley.

Gaily is more of a nice guy that talks and is passive in his ways of dealing with problems...Haley was like a clone of Bill Parcells in that he would try to destroy a player in practice so that the player would be ready for almost anything during a game.

Todd caught wind of it and had a couple talks with Chan about it and when it continued, Todd fired him.

Todd basically ripped up every page of his playbook that the team had been working on to that point when he did so, too...fearing that Chan would use that information by sharing it with opposing teams.

I missed that post, can you enlighten me on how exactly Josh cheated? I always expected something was amiss during that game. It seems like they knew every play to run against the Chiefs, and scored on almost every possession in the first half.

theelusiveeightrop
11-05-2012, 06:29 AM
Felon in possession of a firearm was Gailey's final offense.

htismaqe
11-05-2012, 06:31 AM
I love how people throw out that Haley was just throwing up a big f-u to Pioli by aging Palko...Haley was directly told that Stanzi wouldn't play a snap his rookie season and Palko was the backup. That's the patriot way. Rookie qbs are inactive and get a "redshift year" (that's also why I want Pioli gone asap) Haley got Orton up to speed asap and when he was brought in he broke his finger on his first pass and would have started the next game...but wasn't coming in to fully take over during that flea ficker play.

Pioli is one big old pussy...

Here is what you have to work with (Cassel and Palko) and if you can't win playoff games with it, you're out and I'll find a coach who can.

The flea flicker is inexcusable. It's almost like he was wanting to get Orton hurt.

You don't call that play in that situation. Ever.

Dave Lane
11-05-2012, 06:35 AM
My favorite thing about Haley other than he demanded a lot from the players was that he was a passionate coach. He cared about everything that went on, and he always gave his best. When he ran around cursing out players, and yelling at Bowe cause he was lined up incorrectly, it wasn't cause he was just an asshole, it was cause he cared about the team....

Romeo is like watching a toad wait for a fly to go by.


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Dave Lane
11-05-2012, 06:38 AM
The flea flicker is inexcusable. It's almost like he was wanting to get Orton hurt.

You don't call that play in that situation. Ever.

It was one play, big deal, for a player that had no familiarity with the play book it's as good as any.

notorious
11-05-2012, 06:40 AM
Gailey has forgotten more about offense than the entire Chiefs franchise combined.

rabblerouser
11-05-2012, 06:48 AM
I asked this question a year or so ago to someone that has direct knowledge of the situation (same guy that gave me the information about the Todd/Josh finger pointing incident and how the backstory was that Josh had cheated in the game and Haley basically caught him...my info was later backed up by Dustin Colquit a month or so later) and was told that the biggest reason was that Todd wanted to be very hard on the players and to build their mental tougness up and Gailey somewhat undermined that and somewhat consoled the players after getting verbally assaulted by Haley.

Gaily is more of a nice guy that talks and is passive in his ways of dealing with problems...Haley was like a clone of Bill Parcells in that he would try to destroy a player in practice so that the player would be ready for almost anything during a game.

Todd caught wind of it and had a couple talks with Chan about it and when it continued, Todd fired him.

Todd basically ripped up every page of his playbook that the team had been working on to that point when he did so, too...fearing that Chan would use that information by sharing it with opposing teams.

I was certain that I read that Chan wanted to continue the spread style offense he ran with THIGPEN in 2008, perhaps I was mistaken?

Both.

Gailey just simply wasn't going to fit - on paper, it seemed perfect.

In reality, it was oil and water; Gailey had a connection to these guys, having coached them in '08 - Haley was trying to change a culture in the face of a coach who was a part of that losing culture. Couple that with the fact that Gailey actually thought that they would have a better offense with Thiggy running the spread (though looking back, it seems more an early indictment of Cassel - and to a lesser extent, Croyle - than a ringing endorsement of Thigpen.)

That being said, really seems as if ultimately, it was Pioli who hired and fired Haley's staff...not Haley.

htismaqe
11-05-2012, 07:07 AM
It was one play, big deal, for a player that had no familiarity with the play book it's as good as any.

Absolutely.

If your intention is to get him killed so you can put Palko back in.

:rolleyes:

Ace Gunner
11-05-2012, 07:24 AM
I asked this question a year or so ago to someone that has direct knowledge of the situation (same guy that gave me the information about the Todd/Josh finger pointing incident and how the backstory was that Josh had cheated in the game and Haley basically caught him...my info was later backed up by Dustin Colquit a month or so later) and was told that the biggest reason was that Todd wanted to be very hard on the players and to build their mental tougness up and Gailey somewhat undermined that and somewhat consoled the players after getting verbally assaulted by Haley.

Gaily is more of a nice guy that talks and is passive in his ways of dealing with problems...Haley was like a clone of Bill Parcells in that he would try to destroy a player in practice so that the player would be ready for almost anything during a game.

Todd caught wind of it and had a couple talks with Chan about it and when it continued, Todd fired him.

Todd basically ripped up every page of his playbook that the team had been working on to that point when he did so, too...fearing that Chan would use that information by sharing it with opposing teams.

I agree this was about coaching philosophy. Haley said as much during the presser explaining Gailey was excused. He basically said Gailey is a good coach etc but their styles weren't mixing well.

Deberg_1990
11-05-2012, 07:36 AM
Gailey sucks, but Haley has proven he has issues collaborating with other coaches.

mcaj22
11-05-2012, 07:37 AM
Chan Gailey looks awful every other game with the Bills except when he plays the Chiefs. They beat our shit in. Looks like it will be that way next year as well unless Chan gets fired, which is very likely, and if that's the case the Bills will be drafting a QB. Good thing we pick ahead of them

but we will still have Pioli so we arent drafting a QB in the first round so why do I even hope.

Ace Gunner
11-05-2012, 07:49 AM
Gailey sucks, but Haley has proven he has issues collaborating with other coaches.

I think it was the fact some coaches weren't following his directions. Pendergast, Gailey. It's becoming less credible to say Haley "couldn't get along with coaches".. especially the excuse "Weis was driven out" by Haley. If you have "proof", I'd certainly take a look. He certainly seems normal coaching the Steelers. Imo, Haley did what needed done in KC and what's happening now is directly related to that. This team is hot tubbin again.

Too bad he didn't fire Crennel.

aturnis
11-05-2012, 08:09 AM
Gailey sucks, but Haley has proven he has issues collaborating with other coaches.

No, he hasn't. He has proven he has issues collaborating with coaches forced upon him. What coach wants to work with someone who doesn't share their vision and undermines their authority? Not only coaches, but anyone? Haley was NOT the problem.

BossChief
11-05-2012, 08:25 AM
No coach succeeds without a legit starting caliber NFL QB.

Coaches make around a 20% difference in team performance...a qb can factor as much as 75% of the overall team performance including the defense.

I'd LOVE to have Gailey back...especially if we are developing a rookie qb. He is a PREMIER offensive coordinator.

Boss Hog
11-12-2012, 07:22 PM
Not that big of a deal but I remember reading or hearing that Haley wanted more routes over the middle & Chan wouldn't have any part of it.

We did a mock up of the passes from Fitzputrid. Chan's offense rarely throws over the middle. 90% of the passes are towards the sidelines. He is a stubborn fucking asshole.

aturnis
11-12-2012, 07:50 PM
We did a mock up of the passes from Fitzputrid. Chan's offense rarely throws over the middle. 90% of the passes are towards the sidelines. He is a stubborn ****ing asshole.

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11-12-2012, 07:52 PM
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11-12-2012, 07:59 PM
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11-12-2012, 08:04 PM
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