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Direckshun
11-05-2012, 08:13 AM
Any questions?

BucEyedPea
11-05-2012, 08:35 AM
Florida's Amendment 1- yes, Yes, YES!
Allows our state to opt out of Obamacare

luv
11-05-2012, 09:05 AM
I'm undecided on Prop B. I agree on Amendment 3. Could you review Prop A and Prop E?

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:08 AM
I'm undecided on Prop B. I agree on Amendment 3. Could you review Prop A and Prop E?

Here's (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Missouri_Municipal_Police_Amendment,_Proposition_A_(2012)) a pretty good review of A.

St. Louis is trying to have better control over their own police forces. Currently they have to run everything through state-wide appeals process, which (a.) gums up the works, and (b.) prevents a degree of self-determination for the folks of St. Louis.

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:10 AM
As for E, this was clearly a preemptive shot at Obamacare.

One of the most important aspects of the Affordable Care Act is for buying insurance to be much, much easier. State-run exchanges make that much easier.

E would ban a state-run exchange from ever being created in Missouri.

This would likely run counter to federal law, and end up in the federal court system, though I'm not sure how the courts would come down since they said that states don't have to have the Medicaid expansion dumped on them against their will -- so the courts could conceivably rule in favor of Missouri here, though I doubt it.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Missouri_Health_Care_Exchange_Question,_Proposition_E_(2012)

luv
11-05-2012, 09:10 AM
Here's (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Missouri_Municipal_Police_Amendment,_Proposition_A_(2012)) a pretty good review of A.

St. Louis is trying to have better control over their own police forces. Currently they have to run everything through state-wide appeals process, which (a.) gums up the works, and (b.) prevents a degree of self-determination for the folks of St. Louis.

Ah, ok. I remember reading some stuff on that, but didn't know which prop it was.

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:11 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_exchange

President Obama promoted the concept of a health insurance exchange as a key component of his health reform initiative. Obama stated that it should be "...a market where Americans can one-stop shop for a health care plan, compare benefits and prices, and choose the plan that's best for them, in the same way that Members of Congress and their families can. None of these plans should deny coverage on the basis of a preexisting condition, and all of these plans should include an affordable basic benefit package that includes prevention, and protection against catastrophic costs. There are those who strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. The belief is that will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest."[10] However, the public health insurance option was ultimately dropped from the reform legislation; the insurance sold on the health insurance exchanges in the United States will, therefore, now be exclusively from the private insurers.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) sets up insurance exchanges in each state known as American Health Benefits (AHB) Exchanges. Implementation of the individual exchanges changes the practice of insuring individuals. The expansion of this market is the major focus of President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act[11]. Studies have shown that increases in health care costs are driven by increases in per-case cost, not merely the overall prevalence of disease[12], thus driving the need for greater access to health coverage.

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:13 AM
http://healthreform.kff.org/faq/what-is-a-health-insurance-exchange.aspx

What is a health insurance exchange?

Exchanges are new organizations that will be set up to create a more organized and competitive market for buying health insurance. They will offer a choice of different health plans, certifying plans that participate and providing information to help consumers better understand their options.

Beginning in 2014, Exchanges will serve primarily individuals buying insurance on their own and small businesses with up to 100 employees, though states can choose to include larger employers in the future. States are expected to establish Exchanges--which can be a government agency or a non-profit organization--with the federal government stepping in if a state does not set them up. States can create multiple Exchanges, so long as only one serves each geographic area, and can work together to form regional Exchanges. The federal government will offer technical assistance to help states set up Exchanges.

luv
11-05-2012, 09:13 AM
As for E, this was clearly a preemptive shot at Obamacare.

One of the most important aspects of the Affordable Care Act is for buying insurance across state lines to be much, much easier. State-run exchanges make that much easier.

E would ban a state-run exchange from ever being created in Missouri.

This would likely run counter to federal law, and end up in the federal court system, though I'm not sure how the courts would come down since they said that states don't have to have the Medicaid expansion dumped on them against their will -- so the courts could conceivably rule in favor of Missouri here, though I doubt it.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Missouri_Health_Care_Exchange_Question,_Proposition_E_(2012)

I actually hadn't heard of this prop. Thanks for the link and info.

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:15 AM
I actually hadn't heard of this prop. Thanks for the link and info.

No sweat. The link actually has other links in it that you can follow.

patteeu
11-05-2012, 09:15 AM
Any questions?

Yeah, why? I'd like to hear your rationale on each of them.

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:21 AM
Yeah, why? I'd like to hear your rationale on each of them.

I've provided my rationale for two of them.

I'm in favor of Prop B because it favors funneling additional funding to education instutitions and health institutions across Missouri by a menial cigarrette tax increase. It is the definition of taking something bad and turning it into something good.

And Amendment 3 is one of the few issues where Missouri has had a visionary system put in place to promote the election of effective judges, so visionary that a dozen other states have followed what is now called "The Missouri System."

I stand with maintaining the Nonpartisan Judicial Commision.

luv
11-05-2012, 09:24 AM
I've provided my rationale for two of them.

I'm in favor of Prop B because it favors funneling additional funding to education instutitions and health institutions across Missouri by a menial cigarrette tax increase. It is the definition of taking something bad and turning it into something good.

And Amendment 3 is one of the few issues where Missouri has had a visionary system put in place to promote the election of effective judges, so visionary that a dozen other states have followed what is now called "The Missouri System."

I stand with maintaining the Nonpartisan Judicial Commision.

AMEN.

patteeu
11-05-2012, 09:27 AM
OK, here's my vote:

No on Amendment 3
No on A
No on B
Yes on E

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 09:28 AM
No on Amendment 3

It is official, anybody who votes Yes on 3 is now opposed by both Direckshun and patteeu.

Ask yourself how many times that'll happen.

luv
11-05-2012, 09:35 AM
I'm leaning towards:

No on Amendment 3
Yes on Prop A
No on Prop B
No on Prop E

Direckshun
11-05-2012, 11:14 AM
I'm leaning towards:

No on Amendment 3
Yes on Prop A
No on Prop B
No on Prop E

It is official, anybody who votes Yes on 3 is now opposed by Direckshun, patteeu, and luv.

KILLER_CLOWN
11-05-2012, 11:30 AM
What is a health insurance exchange?


Is it similar to the Carbon exchange? Where 2 individuals stand next to each other and release inaudible hot air?

ChiefsCountry
11-05-2012, 11:54 AM
Yes on Prop E for sure. If we get health care in Missouri, we need the people to vote on it.

Pawnmower
11-05-2012, 12:08 PM
As for E, this was clearly a preemptive shot at Obamacare.

One of the most important aspects of the Affordable Care Act is for buying insurance to be much, much easier. State-run exchanges make that much easier.

E would ban a state-run exchange from ever being created in Missouri.

This would likely run counter to federal law, and end up in the federal court system, though I'm not sure how the courts would come down since they said that states don't have to have the Medicaid expansion dumped on them against their will -- so the courts could conceivably rule in favor of Missouri here, though I doubt it.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Missouri_Health_Care_Exchange_Question,_Proposition_E_(2012)

how is this one polling?

mnchiefsguy
11-05-2012, 12:16 PM
I agree with the "No" for Amendment 3. Missouri's method of choosing judges is respected nationwide, and other states have followed suit. No reason to change it now.

I am leaning towards a yes on Prop A...local cities should have control of their own police departments.

No on Prop B...it is just another tax, and I doubt that the money would ever wind up in our schools, just like the lottery money...how much of that goes to schools?

Yes on Prop E...anything that stalls Obamacare is a good thing.

Dallas Chief
11-05-2012, 12:16 PM
Any questions?

Yes. Do you know how I know you are gay?

luv
11-05-2012, 12:31 PM
The thing I don't like about having propositions or amendments on this ballot is that every Joe Schmo that is registered to vote will go to vote for the presidential, congressional , or state official elections, but will be totally clueless as to what the propositions or amendments are even about and make uninformed decisions.

Huffmeister
11-05-2012, 12:36 PM
So what is the argument against Prop A? I found this site (http://propa.webs.com/) that has an argument against it, which basically boils down to the GOP not wanting to give the Dems (who currently run the city) control over the police dept.

I'm not a Dem, but I am in favor of giving local municipalities control of their own police forces. Then, if the people of St Louis decide they're not doing a good job, they can vote them out of office.

luv
11-05-2012, 02:01 PM
I agree with the "No" for Amendment 3. Missouri's method of choosing judges is respected nationwide, and other states have followed suit. No reason to change it now.

Even if other states hadn't followed suit, I would rather not have a judge start making judgments based upon what he think the popular opinion would be in order to get re-elected.

mnchiefsguy
11-05-2012, 02:04 PM
Even if other states hadn't followed suit, I would rather not have a judge start making judgments based upon what he think the popular opinion would be in order to get re-elected.

I agree. The current system works and works well. I see no reason to change what is working.