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Direckshun
11-07-2012, 06:24 AM
Get used to hearing those words.

The IMF predicted the US is on track for faster and stronger growth than any of our global allies.

Housing has turned around, home values are coming back up.

And when housing turns around, it will be impossible to stop the wave of millions of new jobs.

Consumer confidence is rising and is stronger at this point than at any point of the Obama presidency, and the last year of the Bush presidency.

This has all occured with zero help from the GOP, and it doesn't appear that the GOP is particularly ready to help out the President very much in his second term.

Repeat: this recovery was created almost entirely without Republican assistance.

If this economy is as sturdy in 2016 as people are estimating, and the GOP has continued the obstructionism of the past four years, then another Democratic president seems too reasonable to ignore.

Alright, GOP: you took your ball, you went home. And Americans punished you for it.

Come back to the table.

Make the next four years bipartisan, dare I say, and have a hand in what is sure to be an exciting four years economically.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 06:24 AM
The Obama recovery is a bunch of numbers and will not last with the taxes that are coming. It's just another bubble, courtesy of Bernanke, being created. Some people never learn.

baitism
11-07-2012, 06:37 AM
You can't tax your way out of a recession. Even a freshman in college has learned that already.

theelusiveeightrop
11-07-2012, 06:46 AM
We are one well placed Iranian missile away from global war.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 06:52 AM
We are one well placed Iranian missile away from global war.

Please, they don't have a missile delivery system that can reach us and it's not likely they'd start a conventional war.

blaise
11-07-2012, 08:26 AM
Bad news, Obama not responsible.
Good news, Obama responsible.

Seems like a good deal.

Ugly Duck
11-07-2012, 08:44 AM
You can't tax your way out of a recession. Even a freshman in college has learned that already.

Obama is only proposing raising income taxes from the Bush 35% to the Clinton 39.6% on personal income OVER $250,000. The first $250,000 is taxed at the Bush rate, only the amount in excess of $250,000 gets taxed a measly 4.6% higher. That only impacts 2% of the populace, 98% of us would not see any increase. Capital gains would go up from the Bush 15% to the Clinton 20%. He's proposed a 2.5 to 1 ratio of spending cuts to the resulting revenue increases. Do your homework - its hardly a marxist socialist communist proposal to "tax our way out of recession."

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 08:46 AM
Enjoy, the lull before the storm....it is a coming. No matter who won last night.

Saul Good
11-07-2012, 09:16 AM
Obama is only proposing raising income taxes from the Bush 35% to the Clinton 39.6% on personal income OVER $250,000. The first $250,000 is taxed at the Bush rate, only the amount in excess of $250,000 gets taxed a measly 4.6% higher. That only impacts 2% of the populace, 98% of us would not see any increase. Capital gains would go up from the Bush 15% to the Clinton 20%. He's proposed a 2.5 to 1 ratio of spending cuts to the resulting revenue increases. Do your homework - its hardly a marxist socialist communist proposal to "tax our way out of recession."

I'm on board.

HonestChieffan
11-07-2012, 09:20 AM
I'm on board.


Careful what you buy into. Cap Gains increase is on all income levels as is taxes on dividends and interest. The hidden and unspoken tax increases for all.

But after the fiscal cliff battle, dont look for a hell of a lot of good

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:21 AM
Enjoy, the lull before the storm....it is a coming. No matter who won last night.

Yeah, at least the demoncrats will own this, there will be no excuses. I've had businesses for 2 decades and they have no clue what is coming.

TGI

Brock
11-07-2012, 09:22 AM
Yeah, at least the demoncrats will own this, there will be no excuses. I've had businesses for 2 decades and they have no clue what is coming.

TGI

signed, republicans in 1996.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:23 AM
signed, republicans in 1996.

Gloat now, soon you will own this.

TGI

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 09:24 AM
The Obama Recovery is a Grand Illusion.

blaise
11-07-2012, 09:25 AM
The only people calling it the Obama Recovery will be MSNBC and people like Direckshun and cosmo.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:25 AM
The Obama Recovery is a Grand Illusion.

ROFL

Liberalism is a Grand Illusion, hence the username.

TGI

Brock
11-07-2012, 09:25 AM
Gloat now, soon you will own this.

TGI

I'm neither gloating, nor am I a supporter of Obama. I simply call out hysterical nonsense when I see it.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:28 AM
I'm neither gloating, nor am I a supporter of Obama. I simply call out hysterical nonsense when I see it.

OK, bury your head in the sand, statism never works no matter the deception or the lies.

TGI

BigCatDaddy
11-07-2012, 09:29 AM
I wouldn't read too much into other then Obama is a master con man that conned a lot of people. I highly doubt the next democratic nominee is as good of a con man.

Brock
11-07-2012, 09:31 AM
OK, bury your head in the sand, statism never works no matter the deception or the lies.

TGI

You do understand Obama can't just do whatever he wants, right? It wasn't a mandate, he was just perceived as a better candidate than Romney for whatever reason. I mean, feel free to run around in a panic if that feels like the right thing to do, but it doesn't mean you have some kind of insight that everybody else is lacking.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:34 AM
You do understand Obama can't just do whatever he wants, right? It wasn't a mandate, he was just perceived as a better candidate than Romney for whatever reason. I mean, feel free to run around in a panic if that feels like the right thing to do, but it doesn't mean you have some kind of insight that everybody else is lacking.

Well, we may not be a true democracy but last night proves America want's their free stuff:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

― Alexis de Tocqueville

FD
11-07-2012, 09:39 AM
Well, we may not be a true democracy but last night proves America want's their free stuff:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

― Alexis de Tocqueville

Um, I'm pretty sure de Tocqueville never said anything like that.

Ugly Duck
11-07-2012, 09:40 AM
We've heard this all before, remember? Except the squeals of "socialism!" are even louder now - even though Obama is only proposing a Clintonian 4.6% raise on the top 2%. Just a little tiny taste compared to what Clinton did offset by a 2.5:1 spending cut ratio. Over-react much?


FLASHBACK 1993: GOP squeals "Clinton’s Tax Plan will Kill Jobs!, Kill The Current Recovery!"

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: I believe that raising taxes will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX), May 24, 1993: I would much rather be here today supporting the President and I would do so if his proposals could expect to increase jobs and the standard of living for Americans, but I believe his massive tax increases will do just the opposite. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-GA), July 13, 1993: Small businesses generate the bulk of this Nation’s new jobs. And they will be the hardest hit by the Clinton tax-and-spend budget. Because, when you raise taxes, you kill jobs. (Congressional Record, 1993, Thomas)

Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA), May, 27, 1993: This is really the Dr. Kevorkian plan for our economy. It will kill jobs, kill businesses, and yes, kill even the higher tax revenues that these suicidal tax increasers hope to gain. (Congressional Record, 1993, Page: H2949)

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:42 AM
Um, I'm pretty sure de Tocqueville never said anything like that.

Who cares who said it, we have become a nation of moochers and takers by last night's election results. Statism at its finest. This nation is so screwed.

TGI

Brock
11-07-2012, 09:42 AM
Who cares who said it, we have become a nation of moochers and takers by last night's election results. Statism at its finest. This nation is so screwed.

TGI

LMAO

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:44 AM
LMAO

Says the user from the most liberal (statist) city in Kansas, Larryville.

TGI

mlyonsd
11-07-2012, 09:47 AM
If taxes need to be raised it should be done across the board.

FD
11-07-2012, 09:49 AM
"Who cares who said it, we have become a nation of moochers and takers by last night's election results. Statism at its finest. This nation is so screwed. "
- Adolf Hitler

Brock
11-07-2012, 09:52 AM
Says the user from the most liberal (statist) city in Kansas, Larryville.

TGI

Where I live has zero to do with the ridiculousness of what you're saying.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 09:52 AM
The only people calling it the Obama Recovery will be MSNBC and people like Direckshun and cosmo.

It's a recovery for them because more money earned by others goes in their pockets!ROFL That's a recovery to people of that persuasion.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:54 AM
"Who cares who said it, we have become a nation of moochers and takers by last night's election results. Statism at its finest. This nation is so screwed. "
- Adolf Hitler

ROFL

Let me give you Hitler's Nazi Party's full name and why your post was not so bright: The National Socialist German Workers' Party

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 09:55 AM
Where I live has zero to do with the ridiculousness of what you're saying.

ROFL

You are a product of your environment, ROFL

TGI

FD
11-07-2012, 09:58 AM
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.



Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.



The scream of the twelve-inch shrapnel is more penetrating than the hiss from a thousand Jewish newspaper vipers. Therefore let them go on with their hissing.



The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.



:shake:

Brock
11-07-2012, 09:58 AM
ROFL

You are a product of your environment, ROFL

TGI

IIRC, you're from Salina. I'm awfully proud of Salina today.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 10:00 AM
:shake:

ROFL

OMG, Nazi references? Are you kidding me? Do you realize why your post attributing what I said to Hitler was so dumb? It's because Hitler was a statist. Damn, our American education system sucks.

TGI

FD
11-07-2012, 10:03 AM
ROFL

OMG, Nazi references? Are you kidding me? Do you realize why your post attributing what I said to Hitler was so dumb? It's because Hitler was a statist. Damn, our American education system sucks.

TGI

Just quoting what you yourself said.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 10:06 AM
Just quoting what you yourself said.

It was a failed attempt to tie what I said to Hitler. It was major fail because the statism that the democrat party has become in this country aligns more with the statism of the The National Socialist German Workers' Party of the past. It's not my fault the American education system failed you.

TGI

FD
11-07-2012, 10:27 AM
It was a failed attempt to tie what I said to Hitler. It was major fail because the statism that the democrat party has become in this country aligns more with the statism of the The National Socialist German Workers' Party of the past. It's not my fault the American education system failed you.

TGI

ROFL

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 10:33 AM
ROFL

I know you don't understand this. There is the liberal statist fantasy world and the real world. The stock market today agrees with me, it's reality. All I can say is for people to prepare.

TGI

L.A. Chieffan
11-07-2012, 10:34 AM
Just waiting for the intern sex scandal to break.

ClevelandBronco
11-07-2012, 10:35 AM
I thought Barack Obama would go down in history as a new Jimmy Carter. I was wrong. He's a new Herbert Hoover.

L.A. Chieffan
11-07-2012, 10:42 AM
I thought Barack Obama would go down in history as a new Jimmy Carter. I was wrong. He's a new Herbert Hoover.

Hes the new Hugo Chavez! Bend over America, because dont be surprised when Obama orchestrates some national threat/disaster that forces Congress to change the 2 term limit and we end up with this guy for the next TWENTY years! Just watch, the new 9/11 is coming. I take no solace in saying I told you so!

Pitt Gorilla
11-07-2012, 10:43 AM
Who cares who said it, we have become a nation of moochers and takers by last night's election results. Statism at its finest. This nation is so screwed.

TGIUp, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Pitt Gorilla
11-07-2012, 10:44 AM
Hes the new Hugo Chavez! Bend over America, because dont be surprised when Obama orchestrates some national threat/disaster that forces Congress to change the 2 term limit and we end up with this guy for the next TWENTY years! Just watch, the new 9/11 is coming. I take no solace in saying I told you so!Has it really been four years since we heard all of the martial law talk? Time flies.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 10:48 AM
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

You leftists will own this disaster, no excuses.

TGI

Brock
11-07-2012, 10:50 AM
You leftists will own this disaster, no excuses.

TGI

:tinfoil:

Bewbies
11-07-2012, 10:50 AM
You leftists will own this disaster, no excuses.

TGI

No they won't. If it's still Bush's problem 4 years after he left office it will still be Bush's problem after 8 years.

It will be funny to hear Biden running for President (kill me if he wins) and blaming Bush for why the economy still sucks.

The_Grand_Illusion
11-07-2012, 10:55 AM
No they won't. If it's still Bush's problem 4 years after he left office it will still be Bush's problem after 8 years.

It will be funny to hear Biden running for President (kill me if he wins) and blaming Bush for why the economy still sucks.

Oh I understand, they will try to play the blame game but it will be much more difficult the next go round. The stock market today is the first vote of no confidence. These libs have no clue how small business is going to clamp down because of what is coming. Many are so ignorant on how business really works. All we can do is prepare.

TGI

patteeu
11-07-2012, 11:21 AM
Get your suntan lotion out, Recovery Summer is right around the corner. Again. :rolleyes:

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 11:27 AM
No they won't. If it's still Bush's problem 4 years after he left office it will still be Bush's problem after 8 years.

It will be funny to hear Biden running for President (kill me if he wins) and blaming Bush for why the economy still sucks.

Surprising, exit polls showed how Obama's campaign convinced them it was still the fault of Bush. This is the result of public education and economic ignorance.

Ultra Peanut
11-07-2012, 01:13 PM
You can't tax your way out of a recession. Even a freshman in college has learned that already.Freshman econ is the level at which the people who say that are operating, so kudos for pointing that out.

Hes the new Hugo Chavez!IF ONLY

Radar Chief
11-07-2012, 01:17 PM
Get your suntan lotion out, Recovery Summer is right around the corner. Again. :rolleyes:

Shovel ready jobs!


For China.