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Deberg_1990
11-07-2012, 11:41 AM
Nice. Rosanne Barr managed 48,000.

Congrats!


http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

Taco John
11-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Lot of Ron Paul votes floating around in the mix too.

L.A. Chieffan
11-07-2012, 11:43 AM
If only we didnt have that stupid electoral college everything would be different!

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 11:45 AM
If only we didnt have that stupid electoral college everything would be different!

Yeah right. It would have really mattered—NOT!

listopencil
11-07-2012, 12:51 PM
Yeah, but that's less than the difference between the top two candidates in a close election. The Libertarians need an outspoken leader who can clearly articulate those pars of the platform that appeal to R's and D's, while playing down some of those parts of the platform that are going to be incredibly unpopular.

Taco John
11-07-2012, 12:54 PM
It's too bad Romney siphoned all those votes away from Johnson.

FishingRod
11-07-2012, 12:54 PM
Yeah, but that's less than the difference between the top two candidates in a close election. The Libertarians need an outspoken leader who can clearly articulate those pars of the platform that appeal to R's and D's, while playing down some of those parts of the platform that are going to be incredibly unpopular.

And they need one with Bill Gates kinda money they don't mind spending just for the fun of messing with the Reps and Dems

listopencil
11-07-2012, 12:55 PM
Off the top of my head: They are for the legalization of recreational drug use and gay marriage, they are Pro Choice, and they flat at state that they intend to abolish income tax. They are also for privatizing a shit ton of programs, so they fall in line with being against Obamacare and many "entitlement" programs. There is a way to weave that into something that is more reasonably acceptable to the general population.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 12:58 PM
Off the top of my head: They are for the legalization of recreational drug use and gay marriage, they are Pro Choice, and they flat at state that they intend to abolish income tax. They are also for privatizing a shit ton of programs, so they fall in line with being against Obamacare and many "entitlement" programs. There is a way to weave that into something that is more reasonably acceptable to the general population.

They could do that by following the Constitution's federalism and not making certain issues federal issues. That removes some of the unpopular issues. Not all but enough.

I think Paul had it right to cut military to 2006 levels and reduce the empire so that those on entitlements would not be tossed on on the streets overnight. This actually matched what people wanted in polls. It's no wonder the Republicans lost since they wanted to increase military spending.

teedubya
11-07-2012, 12:59 PM
Gary Johnson - Jesse Ventura 2016.

listopencil
11-07-2012, 01:00 PM
I'll take a stab at it. On the liberal social issues they can go with "leave that to the states." On the conservative fiscal issues they can go with "it's a process" and change a few things to long term goals instead of immediate legislation.

listopencil
11-07-2012, 01:00 PM
They could do that by following the Constitution's federalism and not making certain issues federal issues. That removes some of the unpopular issues. Not all but enough.

I think Paul had it right to cut military to 2006 levels and reduce the empire so that those on entitlements would not be tossed on on the streets overnight. This actually matched what people wanted in polls. It's no wonder the Republicans lost since they wanted to increase military spending.

Yup. Exactly what I was thinking.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 01:01 PM
I'll take a stab at it. On the liberal social issues they can go with "leave that to the states." On the conservative fiscal issues they can go with "it's a process" and change a few things to long term goals instead of immediate legislation.

I think that could work. Could also say we didn't get where we are overnight, we won't get out of it overnight. By then the boomers will have died.:p

listopencil
11-07-2012, 01:01 PM
Gary Johnson - Jesse Ventura 2016.

Not bad. That might get more than 1 MIL votes.

listopencil
11-07-2012, 01:04 PM
I think that could work. Could also say we didn't get where we are overnight, we won't get out of it overnight. By then the boomers will have died.:p


Heh. We are getting around to that. The "greatest generation"....and than that. Kind of sad.

Chocolate Hog
11-07-2012, 01:19 PM
I believe that's a record number of votes for a Libertarian candidate.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 01:20 PM
I believe that's a record number of votes for a Libertarian candidate.

That's whats being reported.

Iowanian
11-07-2012, 01:23 PM
That is a pretty impressive number, until you realize that 3 million people watch honey boo boo every week.


I'm excited for the day a 3rd party puts out a really good candidate.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 01:25 PM
Well, this election shows how conservative evangelicals are just a niche voting block for the Rs and that if the Rs are to succeed they need to leave them behind. Even the Catholic vote is no longer a likely block for them. There's lots of young people out there who like liberty and who have not fallen into the Marxist trap either. People are catching onto how the Right isn't really for free markets but are plutocrat mercantilists using govt to gain an edge by creating markets for themselves at the expense of the people.

Chocolate Hog
11-07-2012, 01:25 PM
That is a pretty impressive number, until you realize that 3 million people watch honey boo boo every week.


I'm excited for the day a 3rd party puts out a really good candidate.

3 mil watch honey boo boo 58 mil voted Obama. You see a trend here?

Iowanian
11-07-2012, 01:31 PM
47 million are now on welfare as compared to 33 million when Obama took office.

I know...do the numbers on the national debt totals then and now........

Care to talk about trends further?

Chocolate Hog
11-07-2012, 01:35 PM
Yes the trend is people like hand outs. We need an articulate candidate who can convince voters that reform doesn't mean throwing grandma out in the street. I was surprised Romney/Ryan didn't do much of that both are bright guys.

Fish
11-07-2012, 01:37 PM
47 million are now on welfare as compared to 33 million when Obama took office.

I know...do the numbers on the national debt totals then and now........

Care to talk about trends further?

Welfare tends to trend with the economy though. It would be surprising to see anything but an increase considering how bad the economy has been. In addition to that, the population increases by about 2M per year.

Not trying to justify it, as welfare definitely needs reform...

ChiefsCountry
11-07-2012, 01:37 PM
Yes the trend is people like hand outs. We need an articulate candidate who can convince voters that reform doesn't mean throwing grandma out in the street. I was surprised Romney/Ryan didn't do much of that both are bright guys.

Romney/Ryan went for hard work attitude will get you out of this situation, when most people didn't want their gravy train messed with.

FishingRod
11-07-2012, 01:39 PM
I believe that's a record number of votes for a Libertarian candidate.

They are making some progress about 400,000 in 2004, 500,000 in 2008 to a million.

Need about 5-10 million to get noticed

KILLER_CLOWN
11-07-2012, 01:41 PM
Johnson isn't horrible as I like most of his positions but his campaign was horribly run.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 01:41 PM
They are making some progress about 400,000 in 2004, 500,000 in 2008 to a million.

Need about 5-10 million to get noticed

Need the mainstream media to get to that.

Deberg_1990
11-07-2012, 01:46 PM
I'm excited for the day a 3rd party puts out a really good candidate.

Perot got 19 million votes in 92 and another 8 mil in 96. Its going to take alot of $$$ for a 3rd party candidate to break through like that again.

Chocolate Hog
11-07-2012, 01:48 PM
Perot got 19 million votes in 92 and another 8 mil in 96. Its going to take alot of $$$ for a 3rd party candidate to break through like that again.

We needed 5%. 5% will get equal ballot and funding access.

BucEyedPea
11-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Johnson isn't horrible as I like most of his positions but his campaign was horribly run.

Most of the money went to Paul earlier who had more connections and better campainers. ( not that it couldn't have been better managed either.)

There's a big Austrian network and following and Johnson may be a libertarian but he's not an Austrian. In fact some felt he was just with the Establishment on certain issues too much. So he couldn't get them all. He'd still be better than Mitt or Obama but I do think the NCs could have worked him over on Iran etc.

KILLER_CLOWN
11-07-2012, 02:34 PM
Most of the money went to Paul earlier who had more connections and better campainers. ( not that it couldn't have been better managed either.)

There's a big Austrian network and following and Johnson may be a libertarian but he's not an Austrian. In fact some felt he was just with the Establishment on certain issues too much. So he couldn't get them all. He'd still be better than Mitt or Obama but I do think the NCs could have worked him over on Iran etc.

Ya I considered him too weak on FP.

whoman69
11-07-2012, 02:46 PM
How many people in Gary Johnson's party got elected to statehouses or Congress? You can't have a third party movement if they are only trying to move things from the top.

alpha_omega
11-07-2012, 03:06 PM
Gary Johnson...fine. But who are the 48K idiots that voted for Roseanne?