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R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:17 PM
This is fantasy, I am not a prepper or a doomsday thinker.
An electromagnetic pulse (commonly abbreviated EMP) just hit the USA.
After a few days
Money is worthless
Grocery Stores are empty and Looted
Electricity , Cell Phones and Water is off
Rioting in the streets.




What is your next move?... Be descriptive.

Buck
11-13-2012, 12:18 PM
The EMP hit the whole USA?

Ebolapox
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
I fuck your wife. that's my only plan.

petegz28
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
Fire Pioli!

Buck
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
Thank God, all my Credit Card Debt is gone now.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
The EMP hit the whole USA?


Yes Massive outages Multiple EMPS

allen_kcCard
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
Head for the country.

Buck
11-13-2012, 12:20 PM
Yes Massive outages Multiple EMPS

I would probably just drive to Canada in an old car.

Fire Me Boy!
11-13-2012, 12:20 PM
I load up the handguns.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:20 PM
I **** your wife. that's my only plan.

What does yours look like? We may be able to work out something

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:20 PM
I would probably just drive to Canada in an old car.

All of North America

Buck
11-13-2012, 12:21 PM
All of North America

Can I just get on a ship and go to Japan or are the ships down too?

Donger
11-13-2012, 12:22 PM
This thread wouldn't exist.

milkman
11-13-2012, 12:22 PM
I put on my tinfoil hat.

ChiefsandO'sfan
11-13-2012, 12:22 PM
Blame Obama

bevischief
11-13-2012, 12:23 PM
It was a tv series called Jericho.

teedubya
11-13-2012, 12:23 PM
I turn off the show, Revolution... and go to bed.

Buck
11-13-2012, 12:24 PM
It was a tv series called Jericho.

Not the same. That was Nuclear Bombs. They had to deal w/ Nuclear Fallout.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:25 PM
I load up the handguns.

Stand your ground or leave?

Predarat
11-13-2012, 12:25 PM
Is that why my hair just spiked, like static electricity?

okoye35chiefs
11-13-2012, 12:25 PM
head to my underground bunker where I have 70 years of toilet paper and old Chiefs VHS tapes to watch!

Munson
11-13-2012, 12:26 PM
I'd wait for FEMA to come rescue me.

ChiefsandO'sfan
11-13-2012, 12:26 PM
I turn off the show, Revolution... and go to bed.

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Chief Roundup
11-13-2012, 12:27 PM
I would go to where I grew up. I know the land there. I know where Caves are that are inhabitable. Where there are springs that run year round. Where the lake makes for a defenseable place. Of course there are lots of deer, squirrel and fish.

Superbowltrashcan
11-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Use the spare keys to the daughter's Mercedes 240D and drive around and watch the zombie apocalypse unfold in real time.....
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hTMal28MbTM/Sxam2j8UrfI/AAAAAAAAAV0/pSqcnfaWgS4/s400/mercedes240D_2.jpg

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:29 PM
No Politics No blaming .. a foreign country just put us back to the early 1900's computers on the modern cars are blown out and stranded on the highway from east coast west coast. Computerized gas pumps are out...

Graystoke
11-13-2012, 12:30 PM
I would blow up a couple of old bridges and claim myself the Mayor

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:30 PM
I would go to where I grew up. I know the land there. I know where Caves are that are inhabitable. Where there are springs that run year round. Where the lake makes for a defenseable place. Of course there are lots of deer, squirrel and fish.

Now we are talking....

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:31 PM
Can I just get on a ship and go to Japan or are the ships down too?

computerized anything is down

Dayze
11-13-2012, 12:31 PM
post on Chiefs planet.
then raid the liquor stores.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:32 PM
post on Chiefs planet.
then raid the liquor stores.

Won't work, stores have been empty for days, you must barter for a bottle

Steron
11-13-2012, 12:32 PM
Kill my neighbor. I hate that fucker.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:34 PM
Kill my neighbor. I hate that ****er.

For his food? You may need his strength when others come around to take what you have... Are you sure you want to kill him?

King_Chief_Fan
11-13-2012, 12:36 PM
I would go to where I grew up. I know the land there. I know where Caves are that are inhabitable. Where there are springs that run year round. Where the lake makes for a defenseable place. Of course there are lots of deer, squirrel and fish.

I'm going with him

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:38 PM
I'm going with him

What do you have to offer him? Another mouth to feed? Another to possibly get him or his family sick... There are no meds... Why should he take a chance on you?

King_Chief_Fan
11-13-2012, 12:39 PM
What do you have to offer him? Another mouth to feed? Another to possibly get him or his family sick... There are no meds... Why should he take a chance on you?

I am going to kick anyone's ass that messes with him

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:43 PM
I am going to kick anyone's ass that messes with him

He already has his own personal weapon, what are you going to be able him to offer him to realistically warrant you going with him? What if things go wrong, would you kill him to survive? I would't take you with me.

mikeyis4dcats.
11-13-2012, 12:45 PM
interesting you posted this, I just finished One Second After yesterday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After

Steron
11-13-2012, 12:47 PM
For his food? You may need his strength when others come around to take what you have... Are you sure you want to kill him?

No because he's a douche. Seriously, the first thing I do is grab one of the horses from my mother-in-laws and head off to get my kids and wife.

Chief Roundup
11-13-2012, 12:48 PM
I am going to kick anyone's ass that messes with him

Sorry dude. I have that covered. I already have about 20 people in my family that is going with me.
By the way I do have a large supply of antibiotics and medical supplies. Hand Crank radio. Large stock pile of dried goods. Very extensive arsenal of weapons. Been through 6 survival classes.

HoneyBadger
11-13-2012, 12:49 PM
This is a type of thread Rainman normally starts.

Ace Gunner
11-13-2012, 12:49 PM
This is fantasy, I am not a prepper or a doomsday thinker.
An electromagnetic pulse (commonly abbreviated EMP) just hit the USA.
After a few days
Money is worthless
Grocery Stores are empty and Looted
Electricity , Cell Phones and Water is off
Rioting in the streets.




What is your next move?... Be descriptive.

I would go down to the basement and pick up a piece of coal from the rubble down there (this building is old) and check on the generator/gas systems. Then I'd take that piece of coal out to the building side wall and write "fire Pioli" on it.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:51 PM
This is a type of thread Rainman normally starts.

Yes it is, I love his threads

Brock
11-13-2012, 12:52 PM
Sorry dude. I have that covered. I already have about 20 people in my family that is going with me.
By the way I do have a large supply of antibiotics and medical supplies. Hand Crank radio. Large stock pile of dried goods. Very extensive arsenal of weapons. Been through 6 survival classes.

Hi, batman.

Romeo's Pants
11-13-2012, 12:52 PM
interesting you posted this, I just finished One Second After yesterday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After

This. It was an interesting and probably a fairly realistic approximation of what to expect if something like this (or any other widespread disaster) happens. The audio book narrator is somewhat emo and does a really bad impression for all of the female character voices.

TL;DR - Cessation of emergency services and lack of electronic communication causes a widespread panic. People in cities will be the worst off. Anyone needing daily medication (diabetics) or special care is boned.

Iowanian
11-13-2012, 12:52 PM
There are a lot of variables.

What is the season of the year? Am I home or working out of town?


In my circumstances, I have no reason to over-react. Me and mine are going to be fine.

Come to pillage at your own risk.

Brock
11-13-2012, 12:52 PM
This is a type of thread Rainman normally starts.

Except his are usually funny and interesting.

Steron
11-13-2012, 12:53 PM
Sorry dude. I have that covered. I already have about 20 people in my family that is going with me.
By the way I do have a large supply of antibiotics and medical supplies. Hand Crank radio. Large stock pile of dried goods. Very extensive arsenal of weapons. Been through 6 survival classes.

The first guy killed in my ex father-in-laws platoon in Vietnam? The one who had specialized jungle training. Just sayin'.

Chief Roundup
11-13-2012, 12:54 PM
Hi, batman.

I wish I wouldn't need any of that stuff. And I would of stopped the EMP catastrophy.

Steron
11-13-2012, 12:56 PM
I have two US Army forts within 60 minutes drive. I'm sure I would head there, on horseback, along with the other thousands in the surrounding area.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:57 PM
Except his are usually funny and interesting.

Sorry Brock but you are welcome to take your unhappy ass out of it if it does not do anything for you.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 12:58 PM
I have two US Army forts within 60 minutes drive. I'm sure I would head there, on horseback, along with the other thousands in the surrounding area.


They are not going to let you in.

theelusiveeightrop
11-13-2012, 12:58 PM
EMP's are a process. Omaha.

Brock
11-13-2012, 12:59 PM
Sorry Brock but you are welcome to take your unhappy ass out of it if it does not do anything for you.

Go to work, bum.

Steron
11-13-2012, 01:00 PM
They are not going to let you in.

Why wouldn't they help? And unless the plan on opening fire on American citizens at the gate, I suspect they would have to do as much as they could to help the people.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:02 PM
Go to work, bum.

I just got a big fat ass check today in the mailbox LMAO life is good

I am going back Nov 27

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:03 PM
Why wouldn't they help? And unless the plan on opening fire on American citizens at the gate, I suspect they would have to do as much as they could to help the people.

they are going to be busy, I bet you will be ignored and the gates will be shut and armed guards will shoot if you try to breach them.

Steron
11-13-2012, 01:06 PM
they are going to be busy, I bet you will be ignored and the gates will be shut and armed guards will shoot if you try to breach them.

Perhaps, but outside of my in-laws farm, I have nowhere to go. Failing at Fort Pickett or Fort Lee would send me back there to hunker down to try to stay alive as long as I could. (After I off my asshole neighbor, of course).

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Perhaps, but outside of my in-laws farm, I have nowhere to go. Failing at Fort Pickett or Fort Lee would send me back there to hunker down to try to stay alive as long as I could. (After I off my asshole neighbor, of course).

Sounds like you should keep the neighbor and you two team up

saphojunkie
11-13-2012, 01:11 PM
I just got a big fat ass check today in the mailbox LMAO life is good

I am going back Nov 27

You working on a show?

Chief Roundup
11-13-2012, 01:18 PM
Why wouldn't they help? And unless the plan on opening fire on American citizens at the gate, I suspect they would have to do as much as they could to help the people.

They would not let anyone in. It would be a state of emergency.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:19 PM
You working on a show?

No, I am on Short term disability for a broken rib

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:26 PM
is that all you people have?

WTF Yall gona DIE!!

Barret
11-13-2012, 01:29 PM
Well here is my thought.

1: Should have a "bug out bag" with clothing and other items such as fire starters, compass, axe and some other items ready to go. This should allow me to walk or find some sort of transportation to my Cousins ranch which is about 10 to 15 miles away.

2: Cousins ranch has 30 head of horses and about 20 goats and her husband is military and has weapons. Couple that along with my weapons and ammo and should be able to hunker down there for a brief time.

3: Bring in redneck family members that have guns. Its Texas so that quota should be filled quickly. This will assist on patrolling for people trying to steal the horses or cause havoc. Secure the area with traps and such so as to catch perhaps animals for food but humans trying to sneak in.

4: Slaughter a Horse or goat for its meat every week or so and then scout / raid other homes in the area for other animals or canned foods.

5: In the scout raid process look for more ammo, weapons and probably a couple older style vehicles. Diesel is preferred since you can make bio diesel and keep them running for a time frame.

Getting an older style vehicle assists in hauling items from locations and extends the scout / raid range further then a mile or so.

How am I doing so far?

King_Chief_Fan
11-13-2012, 01:33 PM
Sorry dude. I have that covered. I already have about 20 people in my family that is going with me.
By the way I do have a large supply of antibiotics and medical supplies. Hand Crank radio. Large stock pile of dried goods. Very extensive arsenal of weapons. Been through 6 survival classes.

Sounds like you need someone with logistical and planning skills not to mention someone to help keep the species going..you can't keep all that going within the family

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:34 PM
Well here is my thought.

1: Should have a "bug out bag" with clothing and other items such as fire starters, compass, axe and some other items ready to go. This should allow me to walk or find some sort of transportation to my Cousins ranch which is about 10 to 15 miles away.

2: Cousins ranch has 30 head of horses and about 20 goats and her husband is military and has weapons. Couple that along with my weapons and ammo and should be able to hunker down there for a brief time.

3: Bring in redneck family members that have guns. Its Texas so that quota should be filled quickly. This will assist on patrolling for people trying to steal the horses or cause havoc. Secure the area with traps and such so as to catch perhaps animals for food but humans trying to sneak in.

4: Slaughter a Horse or goat for its meat every week or so and then scout / raid other homes in the area for other animals or canned foods.

5: In the scout raid process look for more ammo, weapons and probably a couple older style vehicles. Diesel is preferred since you can make bio diesel and keep them running for a time frame.

Getting an older style vehicle assists in hauling items from locations and extends the scout / raid range further then a mile or so.

How am I doing so far?


Now this is some good thinking....


I am thinking armed roadblocks should be set up to prevent others from infiltrating our neighborhood.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:38 PM
Just remember, an injury could lead to death if it becomes infected without the proper antibiotics so pilfering in other neighborhoods and taking a shot in the leg could be the end of you.

rockymtnchief
11-13-2012, 01:39 PM
Grab the old Chevy at work, put the battery back in, change the starter if needed. Hook up the trailer, which has 2 generaotors and 10 gallons of gas. Load up my guns, survival gear, clothes, food and head to the little town I lived in before moving here. I have tons of friends there, 3 rivers originate there, tons of game and catlle, and two Hutterite colonies raising their own food. Its a pretty tight-knit community.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:42 PM
Grab the old Chevy at work, put the battery back in, change the starter if needed. Hook up the trailer, which has 2 generaotors and 10 gallons of gas. Load up my guns, survival gear, clothes, food and head to the little town I lived in before moving here. I have tons of friends there, 3 rivers originate there, tons of game and catlle, and two Hutterite colonies raising their own food. Its a pretty tight-knit community.

How far away?

mikeyis4dcats.
11-13-2012, 01:44 PM
after reading One Second After.....probably eat a bullet.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 01:47 PM
after reading One Second After.....probably eat a bullet.

This it? http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/21916902/1931499887/name/William+R+Forstchen+-+One+Second+After.pdf

rockymtnchief
11-13-2012, 01:48 PM
How far away?

90 miles on back roads. A little shorter if you use a short piece of interstate, which I'd avoid.

mikeyis4dcats.
11-13-2012, 01:50 PM
This it? http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/21916902/1931499887/name/William+R+Forstchen+-+One+Second+After.pdf

yup

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 02:02 PM
90 miles on back roads. A little shorter if you use a short piece of interstate, which I'd avoid.

Don't know that you could get that far, people would probably be shooting at you from the woods.

notorious
11-13-2012, 02:04 PM
Stay at our farm.


I can see 10 miles each direction and we have food growing around us in the form of crops and cattle.

Over 10,000 rounds of ammunition in every form from .22 to .308 with a perfect reloading facility.


For intruders, why do you think I have been practicing 500 yard + shooting? ;)


Within one moment flyover country becomes prime real estate. If it does happen I hope it happens during the winter so that the city scum get weeded out before trying to take over the countryside.

BigChiefTablet
11-13-2012, 02:11 PM
I put on my robe and wizard hat

Fat Elvis
11-13-2012, 02:41 PM
I'm just fine sitting in my Faraday cage.

jwazzie
11-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Release my zombie army.

Dave Lane
11-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Head for the country.

Yup. I grab all my guns and head to the farm got a propane furnace there that needs no electricity to heat the house.

Ultra Peanut
11-13-2012, 02:53 PM
I start a weed farm, mannnn

Dave Lane
11-13-2012, 02:54 PM
No, I am on Short term disability for a broken rib

You wouldn't survive the first minute you're the biggest pussy I've ever seen in my entire life.

Molitoth
11-13-2012, 03:01 PM
Yup. I grab all my guns and head to the farm got a propane furnace there that needs no electricity to heat the house.

This.


Guns/Ammo/Family and to the Farm to fend for ourselves.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 03:03 PM
Yup. I grab all my guns and head to the farm got a propane furnace there that needs no electricity to heat the house.

Is that before or after your manicure you pussy LMAO

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 03:04 PM
You wouldn't survive the first minute you're the biggest pussy I've ever seen in my entire life.


I am a mixture of grizzly adams and les stroud son, You would give up the first day your man panties got damp

KILLER_CLOWN
11-13-2012, 03:07 PM
Rape, loot, pillage...typical and assorted sundry stuff.

Inspector
11-13-2012, 03:37 PM
I start a weed farm, mannnn

I'd head over to Ultra Peanut's and remember to bring some Cheetos and Oreo's.

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 03:53 PM
interesting you posted this, I just finished One Second After yesterday.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Second_After

Heh, I finished this a few months ago. Pretty realistic.

Lumpy and I would be ok.
She can shoot, I have plenty of ammo and I have the resources available to reload shotgun shells, handgun rounds and several different rifle rounds.
I own 4 compound bows, (well, one is Lumpy's) one crossbow that is deadly out to 55 and 50+ firearms.

I have a 30 day plan, 180 day plan and an extended (2+ years) plan.

I know excellent hunting grounds all over NE and my family owns property in the boonies where game is plentiful and we have excellent relationships with the landowners in the area.

durtyrute
11-13-2012, 03:57 PM
Heh, I finished this a few months ago. Pretty realistic.

Lumpy and I would be ok.
She can shoot, I have plenty of ammo and I have the resources available to reload shotgun shells, handgun rounds and several different rifle rounds.
I own 4 compound bows, (well, one is Lumpy's) one crossbow that is deadly out to 55 and 50+ firearms.

I have a 30 day plan, 180 day plan and an extended (2+ years) plan.

I know excellent hunting grounds all over NE and my family owns property in the boonies where game is plentiful and we have excellent relationships with the landowners in the area.

^^^^^I'm going with him^^^^^^

Ultra Peanut
11-13-2012, 04:00 PM
I'd head over to Ultra Peanut's and remember to bring some Cheetos and Oreo's.

Don't forget the Entenmann's, duder

MTG#10
11-13-2012, 04:05 PM
I run up and down my street shouting Omaha Omaha

rabblerouser
11-13-2012, 04:16 PM
Blame Bush

fyp - everybody knows Obama is amazing, and it's all Bush's fault.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Neither Romney or Obama can save you from this shit, it's every man for himself.

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 04:22 PM
Neither Romney or Obama can save you from this shit, it's every man for himself.

Pretty much this.
I'm going to go purchase a couple more guns next week. Why? Because after I saw your thread title I thought, "Fuck... I need more guns ASAP."

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 04:39 PM
Pretty much this.
I'm going to go purchase a couple more guns next week. Why? Because after I saw your thread title I thought, "****... I need more guns ASAP."

More guns always make me feel better

xztop12
11-13-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm far more concerned about the biological effects of non ionizing electromagnetic radiation. Than procuring a meal or two

rockymtnchief
11-13-2012, 04:41 PM
Don't know that you could get that far, people would probably be shooting at you from the woods.

You must be assuming I'm waiting for all the big city folk to head this way before I bug out.

Central Montana is void of people to begin with. Plus, Montana is the 4th largest state with the third smallest population.

Also, the people around here are used to being without power for extended periods of time. Most are plenty self-sufficient for a few weeks. They aren't going to worry about my sorry ass.

We just drove a 45 mile stretch of Hwy 191 and only saw one car.

rabblerouser
11-13-2012, 04:42 PM
I need to start buying a box of ammo a week.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 04:42 PM
I'm far more concerned about the biological effects of non ionizing electromagnetic radiation. Than procuring a meal or two

That device will be set off very high in the air... You think it will affect the surface?

sd4chiefs
11-13-2012, 04:42 PM
I read 'One Second After' so I know that I would be F**ked so I would.

A. Slowly starve to death or die of thurst.

B. One of you A-holes would shot my ass and take all my stuff.

C. Down a bunch of prescription medicine and kill myself.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 04:43 PM
You must be assuming I'm waiting for all the big city folk to head this way before I bug out.

Central Montana is void of people to begin with. Plus, Montana is the 4th largest state with the third smallest population.

Also, the people around here are used to being without power for extended periods of time. Most are plenty self-sufficient for a few weeks. They aren't going to worry about my sorry ass.

We just drove a 45 mile stretch of Hwy 191 and only saw one car.

This does give a significant advantage...

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 04:45 PM
I'm far more concerned about the biological effects of non ionizing electromagnetic radiation. Than procuring a meal or two

From what I've read... If an EMP was going to be detonated, it would be done above the atmosphere in order to have a wider area of affect. Two or three would take out the eastern seaboard if placed correctly.

However, I see your point if it was detonated on the ground or a few thousand feet up. I don't think we'd worry too much since we'd probably be toast.

R8RFAN
11-13-2012, 04:53 PM
Buy 1 box of ammo every time you go in wally world

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 04:59 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/EMP_mechanism.GIF

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 05:03 PM
Another concern would be the EMP effecting the earths magnetic fields. It's been speculated that the axis and rotation might actually be affected.
That would cause some super cereal issues.

cyborgtable
11-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Another concern would be the EMP effecting the earths magnetic fields. It's been speculated that the axis and rotation might actually be affected.
That would cause some super cereal issues.

That speculation is pretty much false since the sun has released massive emp fields that would 100% present the situation the OP states. Depending on how massive the emp was would change how long the power would be out. Was the blast big enough to destroy the transformers or just shut them down?

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 05:15 PM
That speculation is pretty much false since the sun has released massive emp fields that would 100% present the situation the OP states. Depending on how massive the emp was would change how long the power would be out. Was the blast big enough to destroy the transformers or just shut them down?

Really? Debunked huh...
I thought that since the pulse is concentrated in an area instead of spread out (like a solar pulse) it would have a different effect on the planet. Maybe not...
Lets hope not, anyway since I see this as being the most likely doomsday scenario.

cyborgtable
11-13-2012, 05:19 PM
Really? Debunked huh...
I thought that since the pulse is concentrated in an area instead of spread out (like a solar pulse) it would have a different effect on the planet. Maybe not...
Lets hope not, anyway since I see this as being the most likely doomsday scenario.

I agree that that is the most likely scenario. In the 1880's a pulse so large hit that electronics of the time period ran better and faster after the batteries were taken out. If that same pulse happened tomorrow they estimate that it would cost the U.S. over 17 trillion dollars in damages.

On a side note, geologists believe that the earths magnetic field will reverse its polarity and then we are truly screwed if that is the case.

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 05:20 PM
I agree that that is the most likely scenario. In the 1880's a pulse so large hit that electronics of the time period ran better and faster after the batteries were taken out. If that same pulse happened tomorrow they estimate that it would cost the U.S. over 17 trillion dollars in damages.

Holy Shit.
I did not know that...

cyborgtable
11-13-2012, 05:25 PM
Holy Shit.
I did not know that...

In the last solar storm cycle entire cities in Switzerland lost power for a couple of weeks.

The cycles are supposed to resume next year also. If a big one hits we lose most satellites, and all current operating power systems that aren't protected by a Faraday cage, note almost everything, will be lost. Transformers could literally melt from the excess electricity causing a cycle that could take a very very long time to get power back.

crossbow
11-13-2012, 05:37 PM
Of Course this would happen in a year that the Chiefs get:

The first pick in the draft.
A Superbowl proven GM who chooses the best coaches.
KC is chosen to host the Superbowl.

ChiefsNow
11-13-2012, 06:32 PM
OMAHA! OMAHA!

Dave Lane
11-13-2012, 06:36 PM
I am a mixture of grizzly adams and les stroud son, You would give up the first day your man panties got damp

Shit you couldn't waddle out to the car. I mean you're so fat you broke a rib on a bath tub. So you 54?

Dave Lane
11-13-2012, 06:38 PM
I agree that that is the most likely scenario. In the 1880's a pulse so large hit that electronics of the time period ran better and faster after the batteries were taken out. If that same pulse happened tomorrow they estimate that it would cost the U.S. over 17 trillion dollars in damages.

On a side note, geologists believe that the earths magnetic field will reverse its polarity and then we are truly screwed if that is the case.

Link...

This smells like total BS

Dave Lane
11-13-2012, 06:41 PM
As a matter of fact there weren't battery powered things that were "electronic" in those days.

cyborgtable
11-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Read in in Popular Science, can't find the cost figure right now but the shortened online article is here

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-05/are-we-prepared-catastrophic-solar-storm

Will continue hunting

My bad it was 2 trillion, idk where 17 came from
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 08:00 PM
Read in in Popular Science, can't find the cost figure right now but the shortened online article is here

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-05/are-we-prepared-catastrophic-solar-storm

Will continue hunting

My bad it was 2 trillion, idk where 17 came from
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/

That figure actually sounds short to be honest. This would fry everything, not to mention all the 'bailouts' the govt. would have to do for Credit companies after they lost all their records or missed e-payments, etc.
Shit, the logistics would be incredible if they tried to repair everything that was lost. It would have to take two or three generations to recover.
Boggles the mind, it really does.

Would the US really try to completely recover?

notorious
11-13-2012, 08:10 PM
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Would the US really try to completely recover?

Yep, and everything would be shielded to the max.

cyborgtable
11-13-2012, 08:26 PM
That figure actually sounds short to be honest. This would fry everything, not to mention all the 'bailouts' the govt. would have to do for Credit companies after they lost all their records or missed e-payments, etc.
Shit, the logistics would be incredible if they tried to repair everything that was lost. It would have to take two or three generations to recover.
Boggles the mind, it really does.

Would the US really try to completely recover?

I wonder how many satellites would lose control and crash too. The amount of damage would be astronomical. It would be a long rebuild time, with enough warning the infrastructure needed to rebuild could be saved though.

And it wouldn't just be the U.S. either. It would have to be a truly global rebuild

mikeyis4dcats.
11-13-2012, 08:32 PM
I wonder how many satellites would lose control and crash too. The amount of damage would be astronomical. It would be a long rebuild time, with enough warning the infrastructure needed to rebuild could be saved though.

And it wouldn't just be the U.S. either. It would have to be a truly global rebuild

emp is a localized effect. a nuke detonated over the midwest would cover a siable portion of the US, but wouldn't affect anything outside that area.

but it would render EVERYTHING electronic unusable - modern vehicles, phones, medical devices, toys, etc. we would truly be back to the 1800s, but without the society or skills to survive in that era. it would be a disaster of epic proportions - disease, starvation, murder.

cyborgtable
11-13-2012, 08:37 PM
emp is a localized effect. a nuke detonated over the midwest would cover a siable portion of the US, but wouldn't affect anything outside that area.

but it would render EVERYTHING electronic unusable - modern vehicles, phones, medical devices, toys, etc. we would truly be back to the 1800s, but without the society or skills to survive in that era. it would be a disaster of epic proportions - disease, starvation, murder.

Pretty scary stuff. I personally would get mirrors lots of mirrors and a crock pot

Gonzo
11-13-2012, 09:24 PM
In that book, (One Second After) they were able to utilize older vehicles that were carbureted. I wonder how accurate that is...
I know that some things on e vehicle would likely malfunction with a huge powe surge...
Power windows, gauges, etc.
If the EMP were a level "E1" I'd think that even older ignition systems would fry.


Here's a little tidbit my dad told me about that happened in the 80's (he was a VIP in the USAF)...

They captured and reverse-engineered a soviet jet and they were astonished to find out that the son bitch had no modern electronics whatsoever. The damn thing still ran on glass tubes and transistors. It took them a while to figure out why, I guess. Those crafty commies.

I soviet Russia, plane flies you!

mikeyis4dcats.
11-14-2012, 09:07 AM
In that book, (One Second After) they were able to utilize older vehicles that were carbureted. I wonder how accurate that is...
I know that some things on e vehicle would likely malfunction with a huge powe surge...
Power windows, gauges, etc.
If the EMP were a level "E1" I'd think that even older ignition systems would fry.


Here's a little tidbit my dad told me about that happened in the 80's (he was a VIP in the USAF)...

They captured and reverse-engineered a soviet jet and they were astonished to find out that the son bitch had no modern electronics whatsoever. The damn thing still ran on glass tubes and transistors. It took them a while to figure out why, I guess. Those crafty commies.

I soviet Russia, plane flies you!

soviet aircraft have always been engineered that way because of maintenance constraints and skills. they also engineer them so they will run on jet fuel or kerosene, that way they have options for remote locations or when J8 supplies are exhausted. The fact of the matter is that the soviets and other eastern bloc countries may have thousands of aircraft in the inventory, but at any given time only a few hundred are operational because of the lack of parts, poor maintenance, and the like.

rockymtnchief
11-14-2012, 09:23 AM
This does give a significant advantage...

In your scenario, I'm not worried.

If you'd asked what we'd do if the Yellowstone Coldara blew, I'd tell you that I'll have the distinction of being disintigrated 7 seconds before Bwana.

redhed
11-14-2012, 09:55 AM
Just how much "shielding" would it take to stop a large EMP? Should it be metal, or would concrete work? Do submerged electronics survive?

To the googlecave!!

ThaVirus
11-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Its a good thing we have the Raider fan here to educate us on what EMP stands for

R8RFAN
11-14-2012, 11:31 AM
Its a good thing we have the Raider fan here to educate us on what EMP stands for

Wikipedia educated you Son, I just copy and pasted it.

R8RFAN
11-14-2012, 11:32 AM
In your scenario, I'm not worried.

If you'd asked what we'd do if the Yellowstone Coldara blew, I'd tell you that I'll have the distinction of being disintigrated 7 seconds before Bwana.

I would say an ATV would be a very important piece of equipment if you could make it run after the EMP

ThaVirus
11-14-2012, 01:21 PM
I've heard you can line the interior of your electronic devices with aluminum foil to protect against EMPs. Not sure if that's true..

To your scenario, I'd be fucked. I feel most people would be OK for the first few weeks but shit would get crazy once food got scarce. I live in a large metro area so I'd have to get out immediately, but seeing as how I don't have any family in the countryside I'd have to try to bunker down in the woods. I have no survival abilities as far as I'm aware so I'd die probably a few months in..

Fish
11-14-2012, 02:01 PM
I've heard you can line the interior of your electronic devices with aluminum foil to protect against EMPs. Not sure if that's true..

To your scenario, I'd be fucked. I feel most people would be OK for the first few weeks but shit would get crazy once food got scarce. I live in a large metro area so I'd have to get out immediately, but seeing as how I don't have any family in the countryside I'd have to try to bunker down in the woods. I have no survival abilities as far as I'm aware so I'd die probably a few months in..

That would certainly help, despite being a good way to burn your house down.. It's much more effective to wrap the outside of the device instead. The problem is that EMPs are very very unpredictable, and it's really hard to say what would happen in any given situation. If you wrapped a device in foil, but didn't actually ground it correctly, it could instead act as an antenna and attract the electromagnetic wave.

Your microwave is essentially a reverse faraday cage. So in a pinch, throw your shit in the microwave, and wrap the microwave in foil for good measure.

There's lots of materials that serve the same purpose.

http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html

rockymtnchief
11-14-2012, 03:02 PM
I would say an ATV would be a very important piece of equipment if you could make it run after the EMP

I have an older ATV that's carbed instead of EFI. Its only 2-wheel drive so I don't know if its worth packing. If the Polaris still ran it would definitely get loaded.

Fish
11-14-2012, 03:04 PM
I knew I had a reason to keep all these.....

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1159/vacuumtube.jpg

El Jefe
11-14-2012, 03:22 PM
I would be screwed. I live in a good area, but it is highly highly populated, and about 1 mile or so from my house there is section 8 housing. If this type of situation happened the street would be loaded with these morons stealing and looting whatever they could. I would give my wife the shotgun and I would take my handguns. Come to think of it, I currently only have 100 rounds or so total for my handguns, and maybe 30 shells for my shotgun. I never replenished my stock after a crazy 4th of July.

If I got out to my parents farm I would be fine. I would grab both go bags, my dogs, weapons and make for the woods. I would have at least a 2 day hike to my parents. Chances of me making it would be slim (far too populated area).

If I got out to my parents place I would be set. Neighbors are my really good friends, they have a home arsenal that would make most gun collectors ashamed. I have access at my parents to horses, chickens, pigs, cows and some other odds and ends. They also have a small natural spring and creek running through their property. "If" I made it there, we would be fine.

I am not a prepper, but self-sufficient/survialist is one of my hobbies. Once we buy our farm in the next year, I will be closer to living off the grid (somewhat). Once we have our place if the SHTF I will be fine. I do however need to buy more dry goods and a few more guns and a lot more ammo. If vehicles are rendered useless my horse is very capable, and I am an excellent rider.

Steron
11-14-2012, 03:38 PM
This thread made me go buy more ammo for my rifle today. Another 880 rounds. Money I really didn't have. Thanks! lol

El Jefe
11-14-2012, 03:45 PM
This thread made me go buy more ammo for my rifle today. Another 880 rounds. Money I really didn't have. Thanks! lol

Here is my thinking on the prepping thing. A lot of people talk about preppers like they are loons and they spends thousands of dollars on this crap they will never use. I look at it this way, if something did happen, wouldn't you be glad you spent that money? I would rather have the stuff and not have to use it than not have the stuff and direly need it. I have said before, I am not a prepper by any means, but I do a lot of things preppers do. I mainly do it for when the power goes out. We have had 3 times in the last 2 years that our power has been out for almost two weeks (twice in the winter). None of those times did I have to go outside of my house for anything.

Personally, I love farming and gardening, I love raising livestock, prepping plays into my desire to be self sufficient. I want to be as non-reliant on external factors (economy, government, etc etc) as I can be. I can grow my own food and raise my own animals, I like relying on myself. If the S really did HTF, then I want to be fully capable of protecting what is mine.

notorious
11-14-2012, 05:42 PM
Here is my thinking on the prepping thing. A lot of people talk about preppers like they are loons and they spends thousands of dollars on this crap they will never use. I look at it this way, if something did happen, wouldn't you be glad you spent that money? I would rather have the stuff and not have to use it than not have the stuff and direly need it. I have said before, I am not a prepper by any means, but I do a lot of things preppers do. I mainly do it for when the power goes out. We have had 3 times in the last 2 years that our power has been out for almost two weeks (twice in the winter). None of those times did I have to go outside of my house for anything.

Personally, I love farming and gardening, I love raising livestock, prepping plays into my desire to be self sufficient. I want to be as non-reliant on external factors (economy, government, etc etc) as I can be. I can grow my own food and raise my own animals, I like relying on myself. If the S really did HTF, then I want to be fully capable of protecting what is mine.

Bullets and rifles will NEVER lose their value. They are worth it.


We started prepping about 4 years ago by buying a bulk of canned foods and other food that lasts a long time. We cycle the food out and buy new just like any other family would, but our stock is built up to large quanities.

Nothing has gone past date, but we have piece of mind.

R8RFAN
11-14-2012, 05:49 PM
Bullets and rifles will NEVER lose their value. They are worth it.


We started prepping about 4 years ago by buying a bulk of canned foods and other food that lasts a long time. We cycle the food out and buy new just like any other family would, but our stock is built up to large quanities.

Nothing has gone past date, but we have piece of mind.

canned food can go way way way past date, that date is only on there for the absolute best flavor.

notorious
11-14-2012, 05:51 PM
canned food can go way way way past date, that date is only on there for the absolute best flavor.

Yes Sir. I have a growing family, so we easily eat it before it expires.


I did a little math when it comes to calories per dollar about a 6 months ago while waiting on finish to dry.


Oatmeal is BY FAR the cheapest per calorie, tastes good with just water,very compact, and it lasts a long time. We have a ton of it in our storage along with bugout and emergency bags stuffed full (when we visit the mountains).

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-14-2012, 06:54 PM
Put on spiked shoulder pads, paint my face black, and try to look tough.

Big Smoke
11-14-2012, 07:29 PM
Take a big shit on Scott Pioli.

notorious
11-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Put on spiked shoulder pads, paint my face black, and try to look tough.

You are going to switch to being an Oakland fan?

AussieChiefsFan
11-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Do nothing

Except mourn the loss of the NFL

El Jefe
11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
Thought this was interesting, its a video of a bunch of preppers who have bunkers and underground houses.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-doomsday-preppers---the-craziest-bunkers-we’ve-seen-so-far--video-.html?page=1

notorious
11-21-2012, 10:34 AM
Thought this was interesting, its a video of a bunch of preppers who have bunkers and underground houses.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-doomsday-preppers---the-craziest-bunkers-we’ve-seen-so-far--video-.html?page=1

The "bus bunker" is impressive.

Saulbadguy
11-21-2012, 10:43 AM
Thought this was interesting, its a video of a bunch of preppers who have bunkers and underground houses.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-doomsday-preppers---the-craziest-bunkers-we’ve-seen-so-far--video-.html?page=1

Those people seem well adjusted and balanced.