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Sorter
11-13-2012, 07:17 PM
If we picked our QB already (Smith, Barkley, Wilson,etc.) and it's the early 20s and Star hasn't been picked, would you be willing to trade up for him?

This hypothetical scenario also ensures that we no longer play the 2-gap and have switched to a Phillipsesque 1-gap. Thus, by drafting Star, he would most likely start at NT and Poe would play line up at either the 3 or 5-tech in our base 3-4 front.

Thoughts?

Nightfyre
11-13-2012, 07:32 PM
If we picked our QB already (Smith, Barkley, Wilson,etc.) and it's the early 20s and Star hasn't been picked, would you be willing to trade up for him?

This hypothetical scenario also ensures that we no longer play the 2-gap and have switched to a Phillipsesque 1-gap. Thus, by drafting Star, he would most likely start at NT and Poe would play line up at either the 3 or 5-tech in our base 3-4 front.

Thoughts?

I think this is a pretty deep draft and I would have a hard time justifying a trade up. But since he will be gone in the top 10, it's probably fairly irrelevant.

Sorter
11-13-2012, 07:58 PM
I think this is a pretty deep draft and I would have a hard time justifying a trade up. But since he will be gone in the top 10, it's probably fairly irrelevant.

Agree, this was just hypothetical situation I posted after watching 3 games of Stars after 2 Gins :)

I don't want to sound true-fanish here, but a line of Poe, Star, and Sheldon Richardson from MU would be awesome, IMO. Especially if we could still have Barkley/Smith/Wilson. Maybe it's the Bombay talking though. :)

Nightfyre
11-13-2012, 08:00 PM
I think Allen Bailey instantly becomes a three down player if we shift to a 1-gap 3-4. Really, the biggest issue would be adding speed to our LB corps. This is a pretty deep LB class though.

Back to Star though - what he did to USC was epic. He obviously is a great talent.

Sorter
11-13-2012, 08:06 PM
I think Allen Bailey instantly becomes a three down player if we shift to a 1-gap 3-4. Really, the biggest issue would be adding speed to our LB corps. This is a pretty deep LB class though.

Ideally, yes. I'm probably the biggest Bailey homer on the board. However, that won't stop me from thinking we should try and upgrade the 3-tech. The base front for a 1-gap is a 5-tech, shaded 1, and then a 3-tech. So either Bailey plays full time in the 3 (ideal for him IMO) or full time in the 5 barring a draft pick.

This team definitely needs to upgrade at least 2X at ILB and probably obtain another OLB for depth, in addition to getting depth on the 3-tech, and in the secondary.


Fuck, this team has way more holes than I had anticipated 5 months ago. Back to the Bombay :(

Sorter
11-13-2012, 08:11 PM
I think Allen Bailey instantly becomes a three down player if we shift to a 1-gap 3-4. Really, the biggest issue would be adding speed to our LB corps. This is a pretty deep LB class though.

Back to Star though - what he did to USC was epic. He obviously is a great talent.

How about Powe at NT, Poe playing the 5/4tech and Bailey playing the 3-tech?

That seems like it cold be a solid group.

Woodchuck
11-14-2012, 08:24 AM
I would definately trade up for him. I would also trade up for Jenkins if he were there in the 20s. He is an experienced 3-4 NT and might be a better fit than star. He causes a ton of chaos and would make an immediate impact.

JASONSAUTO
11-14-2012, 08:50 AM
I would definately trade up for him. I would also trade up for Jenkins if he were there in the 20s. He is an experienced 3-4 NT and might be a better fit than star. He causes a ton of chaos and would make an immediate impact.
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DJ's left nut
11-14-2012, 04:40 PM
Star's a damn monster.

We should've made a move for Tannehill last season so we could go Star this season. Hell yes you would move up for him if he's available in the 20s.

He won't be.

Saccopoo
11-18-2012, 01:35 AM
Star's a damn monster.

We should've made a move for Tannehill last season so we could go Star this season. Hell yes you would move up for him if he's available in the 20s.

He won't be.

I already said, when they did it, that the pick of Poe was a waste if they wanted a NT as there were three first round talents in the next draft.

Another shortsighted piss away draft pick by Pioli.

Starlite is a beast.

However, it's going to end up fucking great as Pioli is going to be fired, Crennel is going to be fired and Daboll is going to be fired and we will actually draft a position that actually is relevant to ultimate team success in the NFL - the quarterback.

And Starlite is going to make either Jacksonville or Carolina very happy. He's a top five pick at this point. And a redundant pick by the Chiefs. Unless they switch to a 4-3 next season with the new coaching staff.

The trade up you need to be talking about is Manti Te'o or John Banks. The past two MSU games, Banks, even with an injured knee, is still the best player on the field. He just stands out. That guy is a stud. Same with Te'o.

BossChief
11-18-2012, 02:54 AM
I already said, when they did it, that the pick of Poe was a waste if they wanted a NT as there were three first round talents in the next draft.

Another shortsighted piss away draft pick by Pioli.

Starlite is a beast.

However, it's going to end up fucking great as Pioli is going to be fired, Crennel is going to be fired and Daboll is going to be fired and we will actually draft a position that actually is relevant to ultimate team success in the NFL - the quarterback.

And Starlite is going to make either Jacksonville or Carolina very happy. He's a top five pick at this point. And a redundant pick by the Chiefs. Unless they switch to a 4-3 next season with the new coaching staff.

The trade up you need to be talking about is Manti Te'o or John Banks. The past two MSU games, Banks, even with an injured knee, is still the best player on the field. He just stands out. That guy is a stud. Same with Te'o.

Fuck trading up for a non pass rushing linebacker.

Id be totally fine if we did so for Star or one of the other stud DL though...depending on the cost, but if we are trading up, I think Id rather use the ammo to move up and take another playmaker on offense.

If we have a chance at taking Geno Smith in the first round, we need to spend some resources on putting as many weapons around him as possible...even though I think our current weapons are pretty damn good.

Saccopoo
11-18-2012, 11:38 AM
**** trading up for a non pass rushing linebacker.

Id be totally fine if we did so for Star or one of the other stud DL though...depending on the cost, but if we are trading up, I think Id rather use the ammo to move up and take another playmaker on offense.

If we have a chance at taking Geno Smith in the first round, we need to spend some resources on putting as many weapons around him as possible...even though I think our current weapons are pretty damn good.

The offense is pretty loaded. Having guys like Bowe, Baldwin, Boss, Moeaki, McCluster, Charles and Hillis as well as a pretty decent offensive line is not a bad situation for a rookie QB to come into, especially one that can throw a ball.

As long as there is a competent offensive coordinator running/calling the system.

However, there's not a chance in hell that Starlite falls out of the top ten. He's got a chance to be the first pick in the draft depending upon who's taking that pick. If the Chiefs lose picks to move up for a defensive tackle, I'd fucking freak out.

Personally, I don't think that there is a huge difference between Shane Skov and Manti Te'o, and Skov should be there in the third when the Chiefs make their selection.

And as much as I like John Banks, I think that Dave Amerson is about the same level and could be had with the Chiefs second rounder as I have them taking him in my most recent mock.

DJ's left nut
11-19-2012, 12:26 PM
Fuck trading up for a non pass rushing linebacker.

Id be totally fine if we did so for Star or one of the other stud DL though...depending on the cost, but if we are trading up, I think Id rather use the ammo to move up and take another playmaker on offense.

If we have a chance at taking Geno Smith in the first round, we need to spend some resources on putting as many weapons around him as possible...even though I think our current weapons are pretty damn good.

I'm still opposed to the 3-4.

If Te'o is bouncing around in the late 1st, you trade up and switch to a 4-3 to accommodate him. The kid's the next Urlacher, IMO.

If you can get Smith and Te'o, you've put together the cornerstones for the next decade on both sides of the ball. Those are the two most valuable leadership positions and they'd be filled by guys with absolute top-shelf ability and intangibles.

DJ's left nut
11-19-2012, 12:30 PM
The offense is pretty loaded. Having guys like Bowe, Baldwin, Boss, Moeaki, McCluster, Charles and Hillis as well as a pretty decent offensive line is not a bad situation for a rookie QB to come into, especially one that can throw a ball.

As long as there is a competent offensive coordinator running/calling the system.

However, there's not a chance in hell that Starlite falls out of the top ten. He's got a chance to be the first pick in the draft depending upon who's taking that pick. If the Chiefs lose picks to move up for a defensive tackle, I'd fucking freak out.

Personally, I don't think that there is a huge difference between Shane Skov and Manti Te'o, and Skov should be there in the third when the Chiefs make their selection.

And as much as I like John Banks, I think that Dave Amerson is about the same level and could be had with the Chiefs second rounder as I have them taking him in my most recent mock.

Skov would be a really nice pickup in the third to eventually replace Belcher. I wouldn't mind a trade-down scenario where we take him in the 2nd either (otherwise I think he's a reach).

If you go with Skov, it signals a commitment to the 3-4 though, as I don't see him doing as well in a 4-3.

Dicky McElephant
11-21-2012, 03:46 PM
I'm still opposed to the 3-4.

If Te'o is bouncing around in the late 1st, you trade up and switch to a 4-3 to accommodate him. The kid's the next Urlacher, IMO.

If you can get Smith and Te'o, you've put together the cornerstones for the next decade on both sides of the ball. Those are the two most valuable leadership positions and they'd be filled by guys with absolute top-shelf ability and intangibles.

Do you move DJ to weakside? DJ - Teo - Houston? Do you put Houston at DE opposite Hali?

DJ's left nut
11-26-2012, 01:33 PM
Do you move DJ to weakside? DJ - Teo - Houston? Do you put Houston at DE opposite Hali?

Y'know, DJ has slowed down enough as he's aged while also getting smarter, that I think I put him on the strong side.

He's stronger than we realize, so I think he can seal on run plays. He's also proven to be solid in coverage, so having him lined up over the TE would be nice. He's never been an elite rusher, so why bother putting him on the weakside where his pass-rush skills would be utilized?

Nah, I'd go with Te'o in the middle and DJ on the strong side. The question really does become how you line out Houston and Hali. While Hali would probably be considered a RDE, I almost wonder if you don't get better use out of him as an LDE with Houston lined up as the Will opposite of him. Look at is as duplicating the Thomas/Neil Smith dynamic.

With our present personnel, perhaps you go with Hali - Powe - Poe - Bailey lined up from left to right across the front with DJ - Te'o and Houston behind them.

It's moot though, Te'o has locked himself in as a top 10 pick and probably a top 5 guy at this point.

Sorter
11-26-2012, 01:44 PM
If we were to go to a 4-3, I'd have our front 4 look like

Hali-Powe-Poe-Draft Pick

or Hali-Poe-Bailey-Draft pick

with the LBs being DJ, Belcher/Draft pick, and Houston playing the SAM like Miller.

Sorter
12-12-2012, 10:26 AM
So I got a nice view at this link today: http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-college-senior-prospects/nfl-draft/2013/1885185

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Star Lotulelei DT Utah 6037 320 5.00(40 time)
Two-year starter plus three starts as a sophomore in 2010. Big, thick, and quick. Was voted the coveted Morris Trophy as the defensive lineman of the year by the Pac-12 offensive linemen. A big man who rarely comes out of the game. Good endurance. Moved to defensive end in three man front nickel package. Quick to diagnose the play after controlling his opponent. Quick reactions. Finds the ball. Can read trap and combination blocks. Reacts quickly on the snap. He can explode and unlock his hips with force. Good base leverage and lower strength with knee bend to hold the point. Stout inline play strength. Plays with good balance and use of hands. Good arm extension and hand placement.

IIRC, Poe's 40 time last year was 4.8? We really reached and drafted Poe knowing we'd be able to take a NT with similar measurables, better production, and less ???s the following year?

This team sucks the life out of me.

Chocolate Hog
12-12-2012, 03:23 PM
The defense was 11th last year and 16th this year. Why the hell would you switch back to the 4-3?

If Star was there in the 20's or late teens fuck yes you trade up for him. NT is the missing piece to this defense.

Hire a DC who isn't afraid to use his best pass rushers with a healthy Eric Berry and an adequate NT the defense is a top 10 defense next year.

Saccopoo
12-14-2012, 04:53 PM
So I got a nice view at this link today: http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-college-senior-prospects/nfl-draft/2013/1885185

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Star Lotulelei DT Utah 6037 320 5.00(40 time)
Two-year starter plus three starts as a sophomore in 2010. Big, thick, and quick. Was voted the coveted Morris Trophy as the defensive lineman of the year by the Pac-12 offensive linemen. A big man who rarely comes out of the game. Good endurance. Moved to defensive end in three man front nickel package. Quick to diagnose the play after controlling his opponent. Quick reactions. Finds the ball. Can read trap and combination blocks. Reacts quickly on the snap. He can explode and unlock his hips with force. Good base leverage and lower strength with knee bend to hold the point. Stout inline play strength. Plays with good balance and use of hands. Good arm extension and hand placement.

IIRC, Poe's 40 time last year was 4.8? We really reached and drafted Poe knowing we'd be able to take a NT with similar measurables, better production, and less ???s the following year?

This team sucks the life out of me.

This was discussed ad nausem draft time last year.

Lotulelei and John Hankins are absolute beasts. Both have enormous ceilings. Why on earth do you take a second team Conference USA guy with the #11 pick when these guys are going to be available in a year?

Yeah, these fucking guys just don't get it.

However, I don't think we're going to have to worry about it past the end of the season. There is no way that Pioli, Crennel and all their sychophants keep their jobs.

And we get Geno Smith.