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jiveturkey
11-14-2012, 09:24 AM
How are we supposed to bring back manufacturing jobs with the advances in robotics?

http://singularityhub.com/2012/11/12/1-million-robots-to-replace-1-million-human-jobs-at-foxconn-first-robots-have-arrived/

Foxconn, the Chinese electronics manufacturer that builds numerous mobile devices and gaming consoles, has been in the media lately because of labor issues, complaints over working conditions, rumored riots, and even suicides, all occurring in the past few years as demand for smartphones and tablets is skyrocketing.

While consumers began to complain in response to media coverage over working conditions, prompting Apple to hire an audit of the factories, Foxconn’s President Terry Gou had another idea for dealing with labor concerns: replace people with robots. In fact, last year Gou said that the company would be aiming to replace 1 million Foxconn workers with robots within 3 years.

It appears as if Gou has started the ball in motion. Since the announcement, a first batch of 10,000 robots — aptly named Foxbots — appear to have made its way into at least one factory, and by the end of 2012, another 20,000 more will be installed.

Though little is really known about these new bots, the rate of robot installation thus far is much lower than Gou’s original claim; however, the evidence suggests that it is difficult to know exactly what is going on in the factories and what is coming down the pipe. On top of that, these robots are manufactured in house, meaning that little information about them needs to be shared with the outside world in marketing reports, for example.

The FoxBots that have been installed apparently are designed for simple, yet precise repetitive actions common for simple manufacturing robots (lifting, selecting, placement). When it comes to automated factories, robots that can perform these tasks aren’t really anything new. But one look at the photo of the robot and it’s clear this isn’t just a simple machine, but a similar type of robotic arm to those used in assembly lines of automotive manufacturers.

That means more sophistication might be possible with these bots alone or in tandem.

As part of the investigation into conditions inside the factory, a few camera crews have been given access. As we reported back in April, you can see for yourself what conditions appear to be like:

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According to a translated page from the Chinese site Techweb, each robot costs between $20,000 to $25,000, which is over three times the average salary of one worker. However, amid international pressure, Foxconn continues to increase worker salaries with a 25 percent bump occurring earlier this year.

It’s worth noting that you can see automation is already part of the manufacturing process at Foxconn, but the new Foxbots are aimed to not merely complement factor workers, but replace them. As the world’s largest manufacturer of electronics, this move wouldn’t be happening unless the robots were ultimately cheaper than human beings.

If Foxconn ramps up the robot rollout, it’ll be interesting to see what the worldwide response is. While there are those who worry that the rise of robots will bring about the end of work as we know it, others see the Foxconn working conditions as violating human rights, and therefore, might welcome robotic replacements, if it means that conditions for the remaining human workforce could improve.

Because Foxconn employs 1.2 million workers, robot replacements both solve worker problems and create them. It should come as no surprise then that many manufacturers are watching the situation at the company closely.

It would be too easy to criticize Foxconn for a move like this, but the company is not alone – Canon reportedly aims to do the same thing.

An important statistic from the International Federation of Robotics is that the number of operational robots in China increased by 42 percent from 2010 to 2011 (close to 75,000 robots), an unprecedented growth in the 50-year history of robots. At that rate of adoption, it would be 2019 before there were 1 million robots in all of China, but odds are that the use of robots is only going to increase as the pendulum that led to the economic boom in China swings back in the other direction.

In the end, we all know that the future of manufacturing is all about robots. It’s a question now of how fast the transition will occur and whether governments, businesses, and organizations will be able to adjust with the shifting workforce and economies.

During this time of flux, many are looking for leaders to take the lead. Whether Foxconn proves it can correct its current problems with robots or digs an even deeper hole by its displacement of a large workforce will play out in the immediate future.

Regardless, it means bots are here to stay.

Brainiac
11-14-2012, 02:35 PM
I say we outlaw any type of automation that could displace workers.

Dayze
11-14-2012, 02:58 PM
I bought a keypad for my Ipad yesterday and the manager said apple has been working with restaurants to make an ipad-type device to installed, and eliminated the need for watiers/waitresses. order at your table and servers bring your stuff out.

FD
11-14-2012, 03:02 PM
Sounds like progress.

Calcountry
11-14-2012, 03:09 PM
Do you have to buy health care for the robots?

loochy
11-14-2012, 03:10 PM
Sounds like progress.

this.

put people to work doing something that can't be automated

loochy
11-14-2012, 03:11 PM
Do you have to buy health care for the robots?

Are robots required to take 2 15 minute breaks and 1 30 minute lunch break per 8 hour shift?

Rain Man
11-14-2012, 03:17 PM
When the robots eventually unionize, they'll be much more efficient than union workers at tipping over cars and setting them on fire.

I think the best way to envision this is that robots are eventually going to give humans a life of leisure where they don't have to work. We're starting with manufacturing workers with welfare and unemployment payments, and eventually we'll work our way up to market research, at which point I retire. At some point everyone is replaced, and robots do everything while we play video games and watch pornography. That is, unless acting in a porn movie is work and then we'll lose interest because who wants to watch two robots having sex.

loochy
11-14-2012, 03:21 PM
who wants to watch two robots having sex.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/Tao_Orii_13/Expressions/nervous.gif

me?

La literatura
11-14-2012, 03:23 PM
Looking forward to my robot long-term care assistance when I turn 80.

Calcountry
11-14-2012, 03:24 PM
When the robots eventually unionize, they'll be much more efficient than union workers at tipping over cars and setting them on fire.

I think the best way to envision this is that robots are eventually going to give humans a life of leisure where they don't have to work. We're starting with manufacturing workers with welfare and unemployment payments, and eventually we'll work our way up to market research, at which point I retire. At some point everyone is replaced, and robots do everything while we play video games and watch pornography. That is, unless acting in a porn movie is work and then we'll lose interest because who wants to watch two robots having sex.Dude, have you seen those boorish man robots when they go downtown for an oil bath?

jiveturkey
11-14-2012, 03:25 PM
Sounds like progress.
Definitely

The expectation that any major manufacturing expansions are part of the future seems naive IMO.

We've been moving away from manufacturing for a while now. How f'd are the Chinese in the long run?

mr. tegu
11-14-2012, 03:26 PM
Who is building the robots? If it is robots, then who built them and is maintaining them? If it is robots then...

vailpass
11-14-2012, 03:40 PM
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

BucEyedPea
11-14-2012, 03:43 PM
Do you have to buy health care for the robots?

Do they have rights?

ROYC75
11-14-2012, 04:01 PM
Great Googly Moogly, Obots with robots.:eek:

HonestChieffan
11-14-2012, 04:02 PM
I bought a keypad for my Ipad yesterday and the manager said apple has been working with restaurants to make an ipad-type device to installed, and eliminated the need for watiers/waitresses. order at your table and servers bring your stuff out.

Buy more apple stock

vailpass
11-14-2012, 04:06 PM
I bought a keypad for my Ipad yesterday and the manager said apple has been working with restaurants to make an ipad-type device to installed, and eliminated the need for watiers/waitresses. order at your table and servers bring your stuff out.

Bring that shit on.

KChiefer
11-14-2012, 04:23 PM
I bought a keypad for my Ipad yesterday and the manager said apple has been working with restaurants to make an ipad-type device to installed, and eliminated the need for watiers/waitresses. order at your table and servers bring your stuff out.

Outside of this being used at dunkin donuts, this is rediculous.

mr. tegu
11-14-2012, 04:31 PM
I bought a keypad for my Ipad yesterday and the manager said apple has been working with restaurants to make an ipad-type device to installed, and eliminated the need for watiers/waitresses. order at your table and servers bring your stuff out.

Umm...those are one in the same. Besides this isn't a revolutionary idea. Just a complex way to go about doing it. Can't wait for the devices to have all kinds of junk splattered on them and be filthy as can be.

Dick Bull
11-14-2012, 04:36 PM
Outside of this being used at dunkin donuts, this is rediculous.

I remember restaurants trying this before with little success. Part of the dining is the experience not just the food.

vailpass
11-14-2012, 04:39 PM
I remember restaurants trying this before with little success. Part of the dining is the experience not just the food.

At Applebees and Olive Garden?

listopencil
11-14-2012, 05:28 PM
When the robots eventually unionize, they'll be much more efficient than union workers at tipping over cars and setting them on fire.

I think the best way to envision this is that robots are eventually going to give humans a life of leisure where they don't have to work. We're starting with manufacturing workers with welfare and unemployment payments, and eventually we'll work our way up to market research, at which point I retire. At some point everyone is replaced, and robots do everything while we play video games and watch pornography. That is, unless acting in a porn movie is work and then we'll lose interest because who wants to watch two robots having sex.

What if they were hot lesbian robots?

WoodDraw
11-14-2012, 05:28 PM
At Applebees and Olive Garden?

Eh, I bet you'd be surprised. I can think of plenty demographics that eat at places like that that would hate having to mess with technology in order to get a meal.

banyon
11-14-2012, 05:33 PM
No need to worry, we will magically sort this out and everyone will have better currently unidentifiable jobs, we promise (free-trader absolutists and reassuring 'entrepreneurs').

BucEyedPea
11-14-2012, 05:42 PM
The Machines are Coming!!!

bowener
11-14-2012, 05:45 PM
Who is building the robots? If it is robots, then who built them and is maintaining them? If it is robots then...

One team of 10 engineers using a machine that was built by humans, but has since been maintained by 2.

bowener
11-14-2012, 05:46 PM
Outside of this being used at dunkin donuts, this is rediculous.

This. I enjoy a good server, especially when you go to more upscale restaurants. Denny's could probably go ahead and replace their staff though.

Dayze
11-14-2012, 05:52 PM
well, all i'm saying is someone won't physically be there to take your order; only people to bring out the food (and for the record, 80% of the time I get my food from someone other than my waiter/waitress).

BucEyedPea
11-14-2012, 05:56 PM
well, all i'm saying is someone won't physically be there to take your order; only people to bring out the food (and for the record, 80% of the time I get my food from someone other than my waiter/waitress).

Why can't a robot bring out the food too?

BucEyedPea
11-14-2012, 05:58 PM
Personally, I hate all this self serve stuff. No receptionists answering phones anymore but having to listen to a long drawn out menu of items before I get to press the right key. Sometimes there's just no key that I need.

WoodDraw
11-14-2012, 06:11 PM
Personally, I hate all this self serve stuff. No receptionists answering phones anymore but having to listen to a long drawn on menu of items before I get to press the right key. Sometimes there's just no key that I need.

The absolute fucking worst is calling your bank.

"Please say what you need help with".
Computer tries to process it, and fails.
I'm sorry, please try again.
Computer fails again, I throw myself out the window.

Grrr

BucEyedPea
11-14-2012, 06:14 PM
The absolute ****ing worst is calling your bank.

"Please say what you need help with".
Computer tries to process it, and fails.
I'm sorry, please try again.
Computer fails again, I throw myself out the window.

Grrr

ROFL Oh that is exactly how I feel. Very frustrating. You'd think we'd be charged less for doing half the work for them.

KC Jones
11-15-2012, 06:20 AM
I bought a keypad for my Ipad yesterday and the manager said apple has been working with restaurants to make an ipad-type device to installed, and eliminated the need for watiers/waitresses. order at your table and servers bring your stuff out.

That's nothing new - I remember eating at restaurants in the 70's where every table had a telephone and you just picked up the phone whenever you wanted something.

King_Chief_Fan
11-15-2012, 06:23 AM
well, all i'm saying is someone won't physically be there to take your order; only people to bring out the food (and for the record, 80% of the time I get my food from someone other than my waiter/waitress).

then who the heck are we tipping?

listopencil
11-15-2012, 09:29 AM
That's nothing new - I remember eating at restaurants in the 70's where every table had a telephone and you just picked up the phone whenever you wanted something.

It wasn't an Apple telephone so it wasn't cool.

Radar Chief
11-15-2012, 09:48 AM
That's nothing new - I remember eating at restaurants in the 70's where every table had a telephone and you just picked up the phone whenever you wanted something.

Same here. We also have these things called “drive in’s” where one doesn’t even have to leave their vehicle, Sonic being one of them, and the food quality is exactly what you’d expect from a mass producer detached from the customer.

vailpass
11-15-2012, 09:54 AM
Buffet?
OK!

BucEyedPea
11-15-2012, 10:10 AM
That's nothing new - I remember eating at restaurants in the 70's where every table had a telephone and you just picked up the phone whenever you wanted something.

Really?

BucEyedPea
11-15-2012, 10:11 AM
What also bugs me is seeing a tip jar by the cashier at a self-serve place.

vailpass
11-15-2012, 10:29 AM
What also bugs me is seeing a tip jar by the cashier at a self-serve place.

Cracks me up too.
As if.

fan4ever
11-15-2012, 12:19 PM
Well personally I applaud all the new robots...as long as they're middle class robots.

Graystoke
11-15-2012, 12:22 PM
That's nothing new - I remember eating at restaurants in the 70's where every table had a telephone and you just picked up the phone whenever you wanted something.

Yea I remember that as well. I think the place I am thinking of was called "Kings"

I am still paitiently awaiting the "Sex-Bot"

Dick Bull
11-15-2012, 06:20 PM
This. I enjoy a good server, especially when you go to more upscale restaurants. Denny's could probably go ahead and replace their staff though.

I've seen that jack in the box went to a self ordering kiosk as well. Sort of like walmarts

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BucEyedPea
11-15-2012, 06:25 PM
Cracks me up too.
As if.

The nerve! :mad:

Oh Snap
11-16-2012, 01:08 PM
I say we outlaw any type of automation that could displace workers.

Manufacturing is a dieing sector in terms of employment. Automation is the main cause of lost US manufacturing jobs, not China. The US still is the worlds largest manufacturer in the world today, and its largely thanks to automation.

http://www.jeffjacoby.com/jacoby/pics/large/752.jpg

Rain Man
11-16-2012, 01:19 PM
What if they were hot lesbian robots?

If that happens, then the whole system falls apart, because we stop making all other kinds of robots and start having to work again.

vailpass
11-16-2012, 01:49 PM
I for one welcome our new waiter robot overlords.

Radar Chief
11-16-2012, 02:04 PM
I for one welcome our new waiter robot overlords.

As we all should, or plan on suffering the consequences.

sd4chiefs
11-18-2012, 09:07 PM
The Machines are Coming!!! .

RNR
11-18-2012, 09:30 PM
If that happens, then the whole system falls apart, because we stop making all other kinds of robots and start having to work again.

Fuck that call the robot people tell them to review their process to ensure we do not have to deal with this work thing~

Jerm
11-18-2012, 09:47 PM
The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug...