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Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 07:54 PM
Let's say hell freezes over and Pioli is our GM next April. Let's say hell also then melts and freezes over again and he decides to draft a QB with the #1 pick.

Who would he pick?

There is no question in my mind he'd take Barkley.

This is a worthwhile QB thread, thanks for participating.

Sorter
11-14-2012, 07:54 PM
I think Barkley as well.

The Bad Guy
11-14-2012, 07:55 PM
If Scott Pioli is here, I don't give a shit who they take. I'm no longer a fan.

Marcellus
11-14-2012, 07:55 PM
Barkley x2. Not even sure why and I actually don't mind it other than I don't want Pioli here.

Deberg_1990
11-14-2012, 07:55 PM
He lets Albert walk and drafts whatever the top LT is.

hometeam
11-14-2012, 07:56 PM
And for the first pick of the 2013 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select.. Sam Montgomery, defensive end, LSU.

Ace Gunner
11-14-2012, 07:56 PM
Pioli ain't drafting for the chiefs. ever again.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 07:57 PM
Interestingly enough NFLdraftcountdown.com has Barkley as their #1.

TribalElder
11-14-2012, 07:57 PM
Jarvis Jones or whatever his name is from Georgia

Monte tao or whatever from Norte Dame

Hopefully it's a QB but he might lack the sack

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 07:58 PM
ROFLCOPTER

http://i.imgur.com/wQ8Qi.jpg

jd1020
11-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Weird.

Every option is a QB...

Ace Gunner
11-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Interestingly enough NFLdraftcountdown.com has Barkley as their #1.

and walter yadayada has Geno there for the Chiefs.

The Bad Guy
11-14-2012, 07:59 PM
He lets Albert walk and drafts whatever the top LT is.

Wouldn't shock me. He's been trying to find a reason to replace Albert every year and this would be the best excuse yet.

jaa1025
11-14-2012, 08:00 PM
LSU is pretty upset that their Dline has no representative on your poll.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 08:01 PM
Barkley is barely 6-2 and has a questionable arm and limited mobility.

There is no way I take him #1.

I'd rather have Bray.

jd1020
11-14-2012, 08:01 PM
If it's a QB and Pioli is the one making the decision I think, given his history, I would throw Barkley out... too short.

Discuss Thrower
11-14-2012, 08:01 PM
Manti Te'o

Tribal Warfare
11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Manti Te'o

This

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Wouldn't shock me. He's been trying to find a reason to replace Albert every year and this would be the best excuse yet.

The fact that Albert wasn't extended after last season tells you all you need to know.

Ace Gunner
11-14-2012, 08:03 PM
from walter football;

The Chiefs are terrible. They need to clean house and start over, as the awesome @saveourchiefs Twitter handle will tell you. They have to fire people in the front office, including Scott Pioli, who has done an awful job. They also need to find a franchise quarterback. Thanks to stupid plays, as seen on Monday night at Pittsburgh, they're currently projected to have a very early selection, which means they can draft either Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.

Smith is now atop the mock again in the wake of Matt Barkley's struggles, but I wouldn't rule out Barkley re-taking the No. 1 position in the future. It'll be a tight race until April.


hahahaha awesome truth

Bump
11-14-2012, 08:04 PM
Pioli ain't drafting for the chiefs. ever again.

yes he is. 0% chance Clark fires him and he ain't resigning...

Bump
11-14-2012, 08:05 PM
but he's not gonna take a QB. HE's gonna take that d-lineman from LSU and Cassel will be the starter next year.

jd1020
11-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Probably more likely that Pioli trades down and picks Jones/Bray in round 2/late round 1, if Bray declares.

AussieChiefsFan
11-14-2012, 08:07 PM
A d lineman

notorious
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
Probably more likely that Pioli trades down and picks Jones/Bray in round 2/late round 1, if Bray declares.

Yep.


He will keep/start Casfail or acquire retread garbage and bench a mid rounder for the future.

Ace Gunner
11-14-2012, 08:10 PM
yes he is. 0% chance Clark fires him and he ain't resigning...

I think things are going to get real ugly real soon at arrowhead. no way Pioli survives.

notorious
11-14-2012, 08:11 PM
I think things are going to get real ugly real soon at arrowhead. no way Pioli survives.

We keep saying that, but nothing happens.


They don't give a fuck.

Bump
11-14-2012, 08:14 PM
I think things are going to get real ugly real soon at arrowhead. no way Pioli survives.

Clark doesn't even care though, he's not gonna fire anybody. He's too much of a pussy for that.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Clark doesn't even care though, he's not gonna fire anybody. He's too much of a pussy for that.

He forced out Carl and permitted Haley's axing.

tk13
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
Trade down. Pick up an extra 3rd and 5th round pick. That will allow us to finally get that LT we need in the 1st, and still pick up a QB and slot WR in the 5th.

Chief Roundup
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
Barkley is barely 6-2 and has a questionable arm and limited mobility.

There is no way I take him #1.

I'd rather have Bray.

Wonder how many of Parcells qualifications Barkley meets?

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
Wonder how many of Parcells qualifications Barkley meets?

All of them, since he's a 4-year starter, basically.

His rules are as follows:

The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback

He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.

He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.

He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

Fat Elvis
11-14-2012, 08:37 PM
I think things are going to get real ugly real soon at arrowhead. no way Pioli survives.

Clark wants consistency (ROFL how many coordinators and head coaches under Pioli?). No way he axes Pioli. Clark doesn't want the next GM (several years down the road) to feel as though the front office is little more than a game of musical chairs.

ILChief
11-14-2012, 08:40 PM
I think things are going to get real ugly real soon at arrowhead. no way Pioli survives.

I think it happens after the season. What's the point now

DJ's left nut
11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Please - as if this is a question.

He'll take the 'safe', wholesome kid from a major program. There's no question he'll take Barkley because Barkley can step in next year and play. He's the most limited QB available, but he also probably has the least work to do to get to at NFL ready.

Geno will be better than Barkley by the end of 2013, but he'll still be considered too risky for Pioli.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Clark wants consistency (ROFL how many coordinators and head coaches under Pioli?). No way he axes Pioli. Clark doesn't want the next GM (several years down the road) to feel as though the front office is little more than a game of musical chairs.

Anyone can see Pioli is one of the biggest failures of a GM in NFL history.

No sense in keeping him. A competent GM isn't gonna care that we fired Pioli after the 4 worst years in franchise history.

petegz28
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
I said Landry because Scott would see a QB would available later down the pipe, trade down in the Patriot Way to get more picks and pick the worst of the lot.

BigMeatballDave
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Clark wants consistency (ROFL how many coordinators and head coaches under Pioli?). No way he axes Pioli. Clark doesn't want the next GM (several years down the road) to feel as though the front office is little more than a game of musical chairs.

Musical chairs?

The last one was there 20 yrs.

jd1020
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Clark wants consistency (ROFL how many coordinators and head coaches under Pioli?). No way he axes Pioli. Clark doesn't want the next GM (several years down the road) to feel as though the front office is little more than a game of musical chairs.

Could be a reason for him to get rid of Pioli... He wants consistency, but because Pioli is such a dumbass and in love with ex-Patriot washouts he'll never get it. So maybe he'll fire him to hire someone who will get it.

petegz28
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
I can't see how anyone in their right mind would retain Pioli. If this was his 1st year he would get a pass. This is his 4th and we are worse than the day he got here. Not something that would get you kudos in any other walk of life.

JoeyChuckles
11-14-2012, 08:46 PM
If we draft Geno, can we say Genoious! to everything he does?

If so, I hope it's him.

BWillie
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
Who will Pioli draft? A defensive tackle. So the common fan wont be able to know if his draft pick failed. As usual

Chief Roundup
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
All of them, since he's a 4-year starter, basically.

Kind of what I thought. That is our boy. Pioli will follow this.

Ace Gunner
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
Clark wants consistency (ROFL how many coordinators and head coaches under Pioli?). No way he axes Pioli. Clark doesn't want the next GM (several years down the road) to feel as though the front office is little more than a game of musical chairs.

this is Pioli's forth season. He will get fired because he had plenty of time and did turn the team around, but then made some moves that forced it into a tailspin. Clark will be limited in who comes, yes, but it wont be because of fear of "musical chairs" it will be a very well founded fear of getting talent to come and help this bottom feeder of a team -- which is Clark's fault.

TribalElder
11-14-2012, 09:03 PM
They tried to tank last season but Palko's tenacity kept this team in it. This year we are all in on operation rebuild through the draft.

It's cheaper thanks to the wage scale and fans allow some fail if a new QB comes in.

I gotta think the Clarks are on board, the question is will Pioli have to walk the plank before April so we get someone else in here to help rebuild

RunKC
11-14-2012, 09:04 PM
If Pioli is here, I literally think he's gonna try like hell to bring in Josh McDaniels and trade our 33rd pick for Ryan Mallet.

That's why we must get rid of him.

Mile High Mania
11-14-2012, 09:10 PM
If Pioli is here, I literally think he's gonna try like hell to bring in Josh McDaniels and trade our 33rd pick for Ryan Mallet.

That's why we must get rid of him.

And then Josh makes a trade for Tebow.

Chief_For_Life58
11-14-2012, 09:18 PM
wheres the choice for the top corner? hes already got his qb

BossChief
11-14-2012, 09:22 PM
Pioli is such a dumbfuck that he would take Barkley (because he has a higher floor than the other QBs) and he would force him to sit his whole rookie year while Matt Cassel plays...hoping that he could build up some trade value for Matt.

Complete backwards logic, but its what he would do.

The thing that should happen is that they should take Geno Smith and start him game one and cut Cassel unless they can get SOMETHING for him.

If they arent confident in Stanzi, cut him and draft another QB in round 4 and sign a FA that could step in for a couple games if Geno gets dinged up.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 09:25 PM
What should have happened if Pioli had a clue in his head was for us to sign Mike Sherman as the OC and to trade up for Tannehill and signed Orton.

Cassel should have been traded or cut prior to this season.

Orton
Tannehill
Stanzi

Sherman

This team would be energized right now...big time.

Sorter
11-14-2012, 09:27 PM
Pioli is such a dumb**** that he would take Barkley (because he has a higher floor than the other QBs) and he would force him to sit his whole rookie year while Matt Cassel plays...hoping that he could build up some trade value for Matt.

Complete backwards logic, but its what he would do.

The thing that should happen is that they should take Geno Smith and start him game one and cut Cassel unless they can get SOMETHING for him.

If they arent confident in Stanzi, cut him and draft another QB in round 4 and sign a FA that could step in for a couple games if Geno gets dinged up.

Not only that, he would force him to an EP Offense instead of hiring a WCO guy and helping his development, rather than hindering it.

Big Smoke
11-14-2012, 09:28 PM
Tyler Wilson I hope.

Chocolate Hog
11-14-2012, 09:29 PM
If Scott Pioli is here, I don't give a shit who they take. I'm no longer a fan.

This.

Sorter
11-14-2012, 09:30 PM
Tyler Wilson I hope.

Any of the top 3 if Pioli is gone for me.

If by some chance Scott is here, I think Barkley busts.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 09:33 PM
Not only that, he would force him to an EP Offense instead of hiring a WCO guy and helping his development, rather than hindering it.

That's exactly what would happen.

For the love of God, I hope that bald headed bitch is fired.

I wouldnt be completely shocked if Pioli takes Landry Jones first overall.

Sorter
11-14-2012, 09:36 PM
I wouldnt be completely shocked if Pioli takes Landry Jones first overall.

If this happens, I'll be taking a Chiefs hiatus.

Cephalic Trauma
11-14-2012, 09:38 PM
What should have happened if Pioli had a clue in his head was for us to sign Mike Sherman as the OC and to trade up for Tannehill and signed Orton.

Cassel should have been traded or cut prior to this season.

Orton
Tannehill
Stanzi

Sherman

This team would be energized right now...big time.

We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

Sorter
11-14-2012, 09:44 PM
We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

That would probably put us at 6-10 maybe 8-8 at best?

With a potential franchise QB, that opens up a lot of things in the draft if they finished out at 6-10. Opens a potential trade down, maybe twice that nets us a 1, 2 more 2nds, 2 more 3rds or more. Add that to the additional compensatory picks the Chiefs will get, you could trade back up and grab whatever player you wanted or fill your roster with both BPA in the 1st two rounds and then draft for need in the 3rd and later if you wanted to.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 09:46 PM
We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

Really?

In 2011, for only 3 games with Kyle Orton as the starter we beat 2 playoff teams and should have won all three games.

I dont think we would have been blown out of any of our games thus far and would be anywhere from 4-5 to 7-2.

Not only that, we would have a young franchise quarterback developing and a very bright future.

Were you insinuating that would only be marginally a better situation?

Oh well, in th grand scheme of things...if we end up drafting Geno Smith we are better off that way.

Geno Smith + Dontari Poe > Ryan Tannehill and Teo.

I think Teo is another Kuechly or Aaron Curry.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 09:49 PM
We would be 4-5 at best, instead of 1-8.

Wasn't hard to see what the appropriate course of action was. Cassel desperately needed to compete for his job after last year. He had been an utter dogshit QB dating back to 2010 vs Oakland.

Yet Pioli treated him like he was a top 10 QB.

And now he should lose his job over it.

I honestly believe he's not very smart at all.

pr_capone
11-14-2012, 09:50 PM
Fellas... we are talking about Pioli here. There is no question in my mind that he would pick the shittiest QB out of the bunch. If pioli is in charge of the draft in 2013, the pick will undoubtedly be Landry Jones or Collin Klein.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 09:56 PM
Wasn't hard to see what the appropriate course of action was. Cassel desperately needed to compete for his job after last year. He had been an utter dogshit QB dating back to 2010 vs Oakland.

Yet Pioli treated him like he was a top 10 QB.

And now he should lose his job over it.

I honestly believe he's not very smart at all.

Do you listen to Colin Cowherd?

He has mentioned Pioli more than a time or two over the last couple weeks and is always clowning his football acumen.

The last one that immediately comes to mind was when he was talking with someone (I think it was Tedy Bruschi if you want to look up the show or something for a sound bite) and they were talking about Jerry Jones and how little he knows about the intricacies of the game. they sighted a time when Jerry Jones was talking about what had happened to Romo at the end of a game and Jerry said something very "pre school NFL" quality like "They ran a zone type of defense" showing that he didnt even know that the team had run a combo defense and that usually confuses Romo.

Colin immediately started talking about times when he had talked to Scott Pioli and how he got that same feeling from him. That he didnt really know the game at this level very well. He was actually laughing about it.

You could hear Bruschi chuckle, but not comment...we all know why.

I feel bamboozled and should have seen the signs that were all there going back to Piolis first day on the job.

Props go to guys like Talking can, Dane,Hamas and Deez for identifying these things immediately and sticking with their guns.

Those are some of the best posters this site has to offer IMO....even though I disagree with some of them from time to time.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:00 PM
Fellas... we are talking about Pioli here. There is no question in my mind that he would pick the shittiest QB out of the bunch. If pioli is in charge of the draft in 2013, the pick will undoubtedly be Landry Jones or Collin Klein.

the guy got to see Matt Cassel every day for 4 years after the time he spent actually scouting him...and STILL traded a premium pick for him and gave him the biggest contract in Chiefs history.

Ebolapox
11-14-2012, 10:06 PM
Teo could be ray freaking lewis--and I wouldn't use the first overall pick on him. positional value=QB. end of story.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:07 PM
Teo is NOT Ray Lewis.

Not even close.

Ebolapox
11-14-2012, 10:07 PM
Teo is NOT Ray Lewis.

Not even close.

yeah. I know. I was making a point, stanzi.

Guru
11-14-2012, 10:08 PM
none of the above.

SNR
11-14-2012, 10:09 PM
I feel bamboozled and should have seen the signs that were all there going back to Piolis first day on the job.

Props go to guys like Talking can, Dane,Hamas and Deez for identifying these things immediately and sticking with their guns.

Those are some of the best posters this site has to offer IMO....even though I disagree with some of them from time to time.
I loved the hire.

Then the Cassel trade happened. I started to get worried. Then the 2009 draft happened

I knew deep down as soon as that happened that we were screwed, but I foolishly kept buying more and more Pioli stock. I said multiple times in early 2009 that I felt sorry for the dumbass team who would wind up trading for Matt Cassel. I knew Jackson was shit. I listened to the endless empty sophistry and bullshit that came from his mouth. But I still believed in him as some football wizard.

It actually took the playoff loss to the Ravens for me to realize that Scott Pioli was a braindead moron who got to the top of the NFL by keeping his nose firmly attached to Bill Parcells' rectum. But by then it was too late.

Absolutely kudos should go to those posters who not only saw this shit stain for what he was at the beginning but also were able to admit to themselves that Pioli was a giant walking vomit stain of a mistake.

tredadda
11-14-2012, 10:09 PM
He lets Albert walk and drafts whatever the top LT is.

Or lets Dorsey walk and replace him with the top SEC d-lineman.

Cephalic Trauma
11-14-2012, 10:09 PM
Really?

In 2011, for only 3 games with Kyle Orton as the starter we beat 2 playoff teams and should have won all three games.

I dont think we would have been blown out of any of our games thus far and would be anywhere from 4-5 to 7-2.

Not only that, we would have a young franchise quarterback developing and a very bright future.

Were you insinuating that would only be marginally a better situation?

Oh well, in th grand scheme of things...if we end up drafting Geno Smith we are better off that way.

Geno Smith + Dontari Poe > Ryan Tannehill and Teo.

I think Teo is another Kuechly or Aaron Curry.

We would be in a much better situation than we are now because the only way we can go is up. I just don't think the Sherman-led dolphins offense (with tannehill) is anything special, and Orton wouldn't make up for the fact that this team has way too many holes. Anything is an upgrade over what we have as our OC/QB combo now, but I still think this team has too many holes to be competitive.

But i do agree that Geno would lead to a brighter future if his ability translates well to the pro game.

Cephalic Trauma
11-14-2012, 10:12 PM
Wasn't hard to see what the appropriate course of action was. Cassel desperately needed to compete for his job after last year. He had been an utter dogshit QB dating back to 2010 vs Oakland.

Yet Pioli treated him like he was a top 10 QB.

And now he should lose his job over it.

I honestly believe he's not very smart at all.

I agree with all of that. But with Orton, I'm not so sure we would be in position for the #1 pick. What would be better for the long term?

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:16 PM
I loved the hire.

Then the Cassel trade happened. I started to get worried. Then the 2009 draft happened

I knew deep down as soon as that happened that we were screwed, but I foolishly kept buying more and more Pioli stock. I said multiple times in early 2009 that I felt sorry for the dumbass team who would wind up trading for Matt Cassel. I knew Jackson was shit. I listened to the endless empty sophistry and bullshit that came from his mouth. But I still believed in him as some football wizard.

It actually took the playoff loss to the Ravens for me to realize that Scott Pioli was a braindead moron who got to the top of the NFL by keeping his nose firmly attached to Bill Parcells' rectum. But by then it was too late.

Absolutely kudos should go to those posters who not only saw this shit stain for what he was at the beginning but also were able to admit to themselves that Pioli was a giant walking vomit stain of a mistake.

I still love his 2010 and 2011 drafts...the last two free agency classes were above average.

I also loved the Todd Haley hire and still think he will be an exceptional coach.

That said, EVERYTHING ELSE was a complete and utter failure with his crowning jewel being his double and tripling down on Matt Cassel.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:17 PM
I agree with all of that. But with Orton, I'm not so sure we would be in position for the #1 pick. What would be better for the long term?

I agree completely. I'm glad Pioli didn't sign Orton because we'd be stuck in mediocrity hell.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:18 PM
I still love his 2010 and 2011 drafts...


Yeah, you love McCluster despite the fact that he is the most drop-prone wide receiver in the NFL basically.

Arenas finally had a good game so you can trumpet that for a week until Andrew Hawkins is toasting his short, slow ass.

tredadda
11-14-2012, 10:18 PM
I think he will take Landry Jones. That is if he is still here which I hope he is not. Jones seems like such a Pioli guy. Questionable talent protected by fantastic talent. Also based off of the TJ and Poe picks it is clear Pioli is not a fan of picking a sure thing.

SNR
11-14-2012, 10:20 PM
Yeah, you love McCluster despite the fact that he is the most drop-prone wide receiver in the NFL basically.

Arenas finally had a good game so you can trumpet that for a week until Andrew Hawkins is toasting his short, slow ass.

?? Are you confusing BossChief with Reerun_KC?

SNR
11-14-2012, 10:22 PM
What about emu boy from NC State? He seems like the kind of midround QB that a Patriot fucker would take to add competition for the QB2 spot, while completely ignoring the enormous fucking hole at the starter spot

tredadda
11-14-2012, 10:22 PM
Really?

In 2011, for only 3 games with Kyle Orton as the starter we beat 2 playoff teams and should have won all three games.

I dont think we would have been blown out of any of our games thus far and would be anywhere from 4-5 to 7-2.

Not only that, we would have a young franchise quarterback developing and a very bright future.

Were you insinuating that would only be marginally a better situation?

Oh well, in th grand scheme of things...if we end up drafting Geno Smith we are better off that way.

Geno Smith + Dontari Poe > Ryan Tannehill and Teo.

I think Teo is another Kuechly or Aaron Curry.

Really? You give Orton credit for those wins? It was the defense that allowed us to win. Orton did not do any better than Cassel when it came to putting points on the board and as each week went on we scored progressively less. To give Orton any credit for our defense shutting down the GB offense or that 7-3 shootout against a Tebow led Broncos is the height of foolishness. Orton was good at moving the ball, that is it. He could not punch it in when it mattered, so no we would not be any better off with him at QB.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:23 PM
I agree completely. I'm glad Pioli didn't sign Orton because we'd be stuck in mediocrity hell.

bullshit.

The mistake would have been going into the year with Orton and Cassel...not Orton/Stanzi and Tannehill.

Only making a move for Orton would have had us stuck in mediocrity,but that in no way should have been where they should have stopped in fixing our quarterback position.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:24 PM
?? Are you confusing BossChief with Reerun_KC?

No, BossChief thinks Dexter is the shit and just needs a QB.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:26 PM
Yeah, you love McCluster despite the fact that he is the most drop-prone wide receiver in the NFL basically.

Arenas finally had a good game so you can trumpet that for a week until Andrew Hawkins is toasting his short, slow ass.

I never said that I love Dexter...but I dont think he is anywhere near as bad as you try to portray him, either.

If we draft Geno Smith (a quarterback that is not only accurate, but can also stretch the field) players like Dexter become far more valuable because of what they can do in space with their acceleration.

Sorter
11-14-2012, 10:26 PM
Really? You give Orton credit for those wins? It was the defense that allowed us to win. Orton did not do any better than Cassel when it came to putting points on the board and as each week went on we scored progressively less. To give Orton any credit for our defense shutting down the GB offense or that 7-3 shootout against a Tebow led Broncos is the height of foolishness. Orton was good at moving the ball, that is it. He could not punch it in when it mattered, so no we would not be any better off with him at QB.

I don't know if you realize this but if you constantly leave your defense in bad situations via turnovers and leave them on the field the whole game because of your offensive ineptitude and inability to sustain drives (i.e. not going 3&out every drive ala Cassel) they will typically struggle.

By not leaving our defense on the field the whole fucking game, they played better. Orton isn't the answer but he showed what even an average QB could do for this team.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:29 PM
No, BossChief thinks Dexter is the shit and just needs a QB.

Thats not too far off, actually.

I don't think he is "the shit" but I do think he can be a very effective player in the right circumstances.

You will owe me an authentic Jersey because of him after this year and Im sure we will make another wager next year when Geno is gonna help the kid exploit matchups in space.

Munson
11-14-2012, 10:31 PM
He'll draft a LT(if Albert leaves) or a 3-4 DE with zero pass rushing ability.

God help us if he isn't fired by the end of the season.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:32 PM
I don't know if you realize this but if you constantly leave your defense in bad situations via turnovers and leave them on the field the whole game because of your offensive ineptitude and inability to sustain drives (i.e. not going 3&out every drive ala Cassel) they will typically struggle.

By not leaving our defense on the field the whole fucking game, they played better. Orton isn't the answer but he showed what even an average QB could do for this team.

I knew someone would post truth and that I didnt need to.

there is a clear reason that the team played with more energy with Orton at QB and anyone that has played the game at a high, organized level knows that when you have a QB, you give max effort because you know that you dont want to be the reason the team lost.

With a guy like Cassel, you don't have much hope of actually winning games and that takes away your field energy.

tredadda
11-14-2012, 10:33 PM
I don't know if you realize this but if you constantly leave your defense in bad situations via turnovers and leave them on the field the whole game because of your offensive ineptitude and inability to sustain drives (i.e. not going 3&out every drive ala Cassel) they will typically struggle.

By not leaving our defense on the field the whole ****ing game, they played better. Orton isn't the answer but he showed what even an average QB could do for this team.

Fair enough although I look forward to the day when the legend of Orton the mediocre QB dies in KC.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:35 PM
You will owe me an authentic Jersey because of him after this year

Not on your life.

He has 276 receiving yards in 9 games.

He's gonna need to average 46 yards a game the rest of the year for me to lose.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:36 PM
I never said that I love Dexter...but I dont think he is anywhere near as bad as you try to portray him, either.
.

He drops more passes than just about anyone, and turns the ball over a shit ton. And doesn't make big plays.

How much worse can he get?

Sorter
11-14-2012, 10:38 PM
Fair enough although I look forward to the day when the legend of Orton the mediocre QB dies in KC.

I think most reasonable people know he is average and could have been a solid stop-gap at best.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:39 PM
Fair enough although I look forward to the day when the legend of Orton the mediocre QB dies in KC.

I dont think anyone here wanted to sign Orton as the end all be all.

But, he would have been an optimum backup and a damn good stop gap.

With Orton, the receiving corps could be properly evaluated as could the other members of the team and the teams talent wouldnt be losing confidence like this year has done.

Cassel has a way of sucking not only on the field, but sucking the energy of his teammates.

Its beyond laughable that the guy was championed as some kind of great leader that had great intangibles.

the guy tries to absorb undue praise and deflects criticism...when a real leader deflects praise to his teammates and accepts the blame for its failures.

RunKC
11-14-2012, 10:41 PM
I feel bamboozled and should have seen the signs that were all there going back to Piolis first day on the job.


I think if you were to ask Clark Hunt about Scott Pioli right now, he would give you that exact answer.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:42 PM
Not on your life.

He has 276 receiving yards in 9 games.

He's gonna need to average 46 yards a game the rest of the year for me to lose.

He had a fucked up elbow for 3 of those games and evidently, they want to give him more looks.

Its cool, bro.

You wont give a fuck that you have to buy two Geno Smith jerseys.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:43 PM
He took the brace off Monday and was terrible dude.

Eventually you are going to see the light on this kid.

5-7, 4.6, no hands, acts like an MVP after 13-yard gains.

Shitty.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:43 PM
I think if you were to ask Clark Hunt about Scott Pioli right now, he would give you that exact answer.

Clark Hunt isnt much more than a checkbook and a figurehead. He lets Pioli run the team as if he is the actual owner...Pioli is like the Jerry Jones of Kansas City..think about that for a little bit before you respond.

If he had a clue about what he should do, he wouldn't need to hire advisers.

I bet he doesnt need to hire advisers for his soccer teams.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:46 PM
He took the brace off Monday and was terrible dude.

Eventually you are going to see the light on this kid.

5-7, 4.6, no hands, acts like an MVP after 13-yard gains.

Shitty.

Why do you care about his 40 time?

the more relevant time (in relevance to his position) was his shuttle time that was truly ELITE. that shows his short area burst and acceleration.

4.06 is fucking ridiculous.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:47 PM
Why do you care about his 40 time?


Because it's the reason he doesn't make big plays.

Linebackers can chase him down in the open field.

He's not explosive.

I can count the number of guys he's made miss this year on one hand.

RunKC
11-14-2012, 10:49 PM
Clark Hunt isnt much more than a checkbook and a figurehead. He lets Pioli run the team as if he is the actual owner...Pioli is like the Jerry Jones of Kansas City..think about that for a little bit before you respond.

If he had a clue about what he should do, he wouldn't need to hire advisers.

I bet he doesnt need to hire advisers for his soccer teams.

I agree. Didn't Marty advise Clark to hire Pioli? Thought I heard that.

If so, I think Clark really thought he was getting a goldmine.

I really think Clark cares about this franchise. He just doesn't know what he's doing.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:49 PM
Because it's the reason he doesn't make big plays.

Linebackers can chase him down in the open field.

He's not explosive.

I can count the number of guys he's made miss this year on one hand.

Im gonna wear that Geno Jersey 2 or 3 times a week.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:49 PM
I really think Clark cares about this franchise. He just doesn't know what he's doing.

Yes he does.

Pioli is toast.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:50 PM
Im gonna wear that Geno Jersey 2 or 3 times a week.

ROFL

I bet he doesn't top 500 yards.

I'm gonna laugh if he gets to like 597.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:51 PM
I agree. Didn't Marty advise Clark to hire Pioli? Thought I heard that.

If so, I think Clark really thought he was getting a goldmine.

I really think Clark cares about this franchise. He just doesn't know what he's doing.

I think that if Clark could just write a check for the Chiefs to win a superbowl, he wouldn't hesitate to write that check, regardless of the amount.

The trouble is, its not anywhere near that easy.

It takes work and he shouldnt need to hire an adviser if he was doing some of that work himself.

RunKC
11-14-2012, 10:52 PM
Yes he does.

Pioli is toast.

Then why not fire him now? He's shelling out a ton of money for Pioli to go on his scouting trips.

All Clark is doing is losing money.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:53 PM
ROFL

I bet he doesn't top 500 yards.

I'm gonna laugh if he gets to like 597.

Keep hoping that will happen.

Is our bet "at least 600" or "more than 600"?

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:54 PM
Then why not fire him now? He's shelling out a ton of money for Pioli to go on his scouting trips.

All Clark is doing is losing money.

Scouting trips in providence?

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:54 PM
Don't worry about it. He won't get close to 600, barring some kind of outlandish Miles Austin career day.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:55 PM
Then why not fire him now? He's shelling out a ton of money for Pioli to go on his scouting trips.

All Clark is doing is losing money.

Dude he has to pay him several million dollars when he fires him anyway.

A few scouting trips are a drop in the bucket.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 10:56 PM
Don't worry about it. He won't get close to 600, barring some kind of outlandish Miles Austin career day.

Take a look at our schedule, dude. Evaluate the matchups.

I just hope they draft Geno Smith.

If they take Barkley, Wilson, Jones or somebody else, I might just want a Delaney jersey...that would be a tough one.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 10:58 PM
Take a look at our schedule, dude.

ROFL

The opponent is irrelevant.

We are going to be running 40 times a game anyway.

Dex is gonna have 20 yards a game from here on out.

BossChief
11-14-2012, 11:00 PM
You have much to learn and I have much to teach...by years end I will AGAIN be saying better luck next year.

Only thing saving you this year is the Mayans.

RunKC
11-14-2012, 11:04 PM
Okay guys, just curious. Do you think Clark will fire this clown in like 3 weeks when we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs or on December 31st aka NFL axe day?

keg in kc
11-14-2012, 11:06 PM
He'll take a lineman if he's still here. They'll need a 5-tech to replace Dorsey.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 11:08 PM
Okay guys, just curious. Do you think Clark will fire this clown in like 3 weeks when we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs or on December 31st aka NFL axe day?

Dec. 31st is my birthday.

This is destiny.

New World Order
11-14-2012, 11:21 PM
Wait wait wait, we are getting ahead of ourselves. Let's not rule out Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU

SNR
11-14-2012, 11:31 PM
Okay guys, just curious. Do you think Clark will fire this clown in like 3 weeks when we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs or on December 31st aka NFL axe day?

According to cdcox's software we're already mathematically eliminated from the playoffs

BossChief
11-14-2012, 11:33 PM
According to cdcox's software we're already mathematically eliminated from the playoffs

I thought he said we can win out and still make the playoffs..shit I thought he said there were scenarios that show we could still make a wildcard spot with 1 more loss and end the year at 7-9.

SNR
11-14-2012, 11:41 PM
I thought he said we can win out and still make the playoffs..shit I thought he said there were scenarios that show we could still make a wildcard spot with 1 more loss and end the year at 7-9.
Well, the chart I saw had our odds at 0.00% to make the playoffs, which probably just means that our chances lie beyond the hundredths of a percentile.

Count Zarth
11-14-2012, 11:45 PM
The chart says 0 percent because it knows we're not winning 8 games.

BoneKrusher
11-15-2012, 05:58 AM
it's gonna be a crime if Pioli is still here come April.


Kansas City Chiefs (1-8)
That "Dance Fever" celebration penalty on the touchdown that didn't count Monday night in Pittsburgh really tells you all you need to know about the state of football in Kansas City these days. The team's highlight film this season should be set to a soundtrack of "Send in the Clowns."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/11/14/nfl-week-10-power-rankings/index.html#ixzz2CINguevX

Woodchuck
11-15-2012, 06:05 AM
Pioli would draft Jarvis Jones or Te'o if we pick #1.

bevischief
11-15-2012, 06:40 AM
Weird.

Every option is a QB...

That was my thought...

bevischief
11-15-2012, 06:49 AM
it's gonna be a crime if Pioli is still here come April.


Kansas City Chiefs (1-8)
That "Dance Fever" celebration penalty on the touchdown that didn't count Monday night in Pittsburgh really tells you all you need to know about the state of football in Kansas City these days. The team's highlight film this season should be set to a soundtrack of "Send in the Clowns."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/11/14/nfl-week-10-power-rankings/index.html#ixzz2CINguevX

ROFL

Steron
11-15-2012, 07:22 AM
I went with Barkley. I figure if Pioli is here, he'll go safe.

tredadda
11-15-2012, 07:55 AM
Okay guys, just curious. Do you think Clark will fire this clown in like 3 weeks when we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs or on December 31st aka NFL axe day?

We have to go 7-0 to finish 8-8. It is pretty reasonable to assume we are almost mathematically eliminated as of right now. About the only chance we have of making the playoffs will be to win the division. I just can't see a team led by Manning going 1-6 to finish the season.

Dayze
11-15-2012, 08:03 AM
Geno. F-it.
dude has a butt load of upside.


regardless, I'm confident we'll fuck it up.

Predarat
11-15-2012, 08:06 AM
He would take whoever sucks the worst.

theelusiveeightrop
11-15-2012, 08:25 AM
Can we draft Glenn Dorsey again?

HighChief
11-15-2012, 12:15 PM
well i may look really stupid in 5 years for saying this but there is no way i want Geno Smith as the chiefs qb. All i see in him is a child that either throws 4 td's or does absolutly nothing. I really think he will bust becuase he has not done anything against good teams. Give me Barkley. All said i have no opinion on wilson. Just dont like what i see from Geno

Mr. Laz
11-15-2012, 12:19 PM
Barkley or Landry Jones

Pioli has shown that he prefers solid over potential


landry Jones seems a ton like Cassel ... shits the bed against pressure.


Geno Smith is going to take a team confident in their ability to DEVELOP his potential.

BoneKrusher
11-15-2012, 12:27 PM
Barkley or Landry Jones

Pioli has shown that he prefers solid over potential


landry Jones seems a ton like Cassel ... shits the bed against pressure.


Geno Smith is going to take a team confident in their ability to DEVELOP his potential.

he didn't get either hen he traded for Cassel

easymobee
11-15-2012, 12:45 PM
Pioli is such a dumb**** that he would take Barkley (because he has a higher floor than the other QBs) and he would force him to sit his whole rookie year while Matt Cassel plays...hoping that he could build up some trade value for Matt.

Complete backwards logic, but its what he would do.

The thing that should happen is that they should take Geno Smith and start him game one and cut Cassel unless they can get SOMETHING for him.

If they arent confident in Stanzi, cut him and draft another QB in round 4 and sign a FA that could step in for a couple games if Geno gets dinged up.

This 1st paragraph seems realistic unfortunately. Except cassel doesn't get the whole year, only until the trade deadline or when the kc fightin chiefs are completely eliminated (whichever comes last). Eventually Cassel moves for a 5th and swap of 6ths.

scho63
11-15-2012, 01:14 PM
And for the first pick of the 2013 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select.. Sam Montgomery, defensive end, LSU.

As funny as that is, this team is dumb enough to pull it off!

Death2CasselFans
11-15-2012, 01:40 PM
Pioli will draft Tyler Bra (d) y

Frosty
11-15-2012, 01:44 PM
I've said it before but if the Chiefs have the #1 pick and Pioli is still here, he will trade down and take either a LT if Albert walks or a corner if not. Then he will draft a 2nd/3rd tier QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Same shit, different year

Woodchuck
11-15-2012, 02:55 PM
I've said it before but if the Chiefs have the #1 pick and Pioli is still here, he will trade down and take either a LT if Albert walks or a corner if not. Then he will draft a 2nd/3rd tier QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Same shit, different year

I think franchising Albert is the lock of the decade.... If he doesn't get a contract before March...

whoman69
11-15-2012, 03:30 PM
Poll fail. No 2 gap DE listed.

seamonster
11-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Wonder how many of Parcells qualifications Barkley meets?

Look, I wouldn't be depressed if we picked up geno smith, but people need to stop acting like he's a matt ryan/RGIII hybrid. He's only 6'3, is estimated to run a 4.7 forty and has decent arm strength, not the vaunted john elway power. He's also been mediocre against good defenses.

Psyko Tek
11-15-2012, 07:32 PM
a CB to replace Carr
no other option
unless LSU has another DL available

Dave Lane
11-15-2012, 07:37 PM
I heard Kiper say he really liked a LSU lineman or a ILB for us. Thats my pick of what dumb fuck would do.

Jobomb
11-15-2012, 10:21 PM
I don't know if Bray has the mental side of it. He seems a bit dumb, and he doesn't strike me as the type that will put in the hours it takes in the film room to dissect NFL defenses. But his arm is special.

(Tennessee fan)

Saccopoo
11-15-2012, 10:27 PM
Look, I wouldn't be depressed if we picked up geno smith, but people need to stop acting like he's a matt ryan/RGIII hybrid. He's only 6'3, is estimated to run a 4.7 forty and has decent arm strength, not the vaunted john elway power. He's also been mediocre against good defenses.

Only a legitimate 6'3"?

Can only run a 40 in 4.7?

And can hit receivers from all over the field?

(And no one has Elway arm power. Not Stafford, not Vick, not Favre, not nobody. But Geno can and has hit guys in stride at 50 yards. There hasn't been a single Chiefs QB ever who can do that. Ever.)

Yeah, I'll take Geno all day long.

Count Zarth
11-15-2012, 10:33 PM
Geno is clearly the most physically talented QB coming out.

You're blind if you don't see that.

He also happens to have 3 years of starting experience and 25 wins. Even Parcells would like him.

BossChief
11-15-2012, 10:36 PM
Geno fills all the Parcells criteria for a first round qb, doesn't he?

Count Zarth
11-15-2012, 10:41 PM
Geno fills all the Parcells criteria for a first round qb, doesn't he?

Close. He's not a 4-year starter. He didn't start every game his first year.

BossChief
11-15-2012, 10:48 PM
Close. He's not a 4-year starter. He didn't start every game his first year.

That's not one of his 4 requirements. Geno Smith meets all 4


He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.
He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.
He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time.
He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.

Count Zarth
11-15-2012, 10:54 PM
It's 3-year starter then. Killer.

BossChief
11-15-2012, 10:59 PM
Killer, indeed.

SNR
11-15-2012, 11:13 PM
He's also been mediocre against good defenses.
Ben Roethlisberger went to Miami, OH. Whenever his team faced against a BCS team, he got clobbered. He looked fucking terrible.

Now West Virginia isn't Miami, OH, but Geno's team is clearly outmatched by the competition in the Big XII. He has zero offensive line help, no defense, and his coach is a retard. And he's going up against some REALLY good defenses with that.

He hasn't been perfect, but I'll gladly take "pretty damn good" instead when perfection isn't available.

Man, behind Kansas City's offensive line with all kinds of protection? Chucking 50 yarders to Dwayne Bowe after Jamaal Charles just skull-fucked the defense and made them double down on stopping the run? The Chiefs haven't had a QB who can make defenses pay for their aggressiveness since... well, ever. Trent Green was excellent, but he didn't have Geno Smith's arm or his WRs.

Very quickly, teams are going to see exactly what Chiefs fans were talking about when they said, "If we only had a real QB." Geno Smith is that "real QB." You'll get a pretty good idea of what that means as early as his rookie year.

Woodchuck
11-16-2012, 06:40 AM
Geno is clearly the most physically talented QB coming out.

You're blind if you don't see that.



Maybe? But, he's not that talented imo and that's the problem.

Nightfyre
11-16-2012, 08:08 AM
I think pioli would get mcCarron to declare and draft him.

Woodchuck
11-16-2012, 10:06 AM
I think pioli would get mcCarron to declare and draft him.

I do too. In addition to a first round QB.

Buckweath
11-16-2012, 10:12 AM
Ben Roethlisberger went to Miami, OH. Whenever his team faced against a BCS team, he got clobbered. He looked ****ing terrible.

Now West Virginia isn't Miami, OH, but Geno's team is clearly outmatched by the competition in the Big XII. He has zero offensive line help, no defense, and his coach is a retard. And he's going up against some REALLY good defenses with that.

He hasn't been perfect, but I'll gladly take "pretty damn good" instead when perfection isn't available.

Man, behind Kansas City's offensive line with all kinds of protection? Chucking 50 yarders to Dwayne Bowe after Jamaal Charles just skull-****ed the defense and made them double down on stopping the run? The Chiefs haven't had a QB who can make defenses pay for their aggressiveness since... well, ever. Trent Green was excellent, but he didn't have Geno Smith's arm or his WRs.

Very quickly, teams are going to see exactly what Chiefs fans were talking about when they said, "If we only had a real QB." Geno Smith is that "real QB." You'll get a pretty good idea of what that means as early as his rookie year.

I agree with your stance. I'd love to have Geno Smith and I'll be happy if he becomes ''just'' a top 15 QB in this league.

bevischief
11-16-2012, 10:13 AM
I agree with your stance. I'd love to have Geno Smith and I'll be happy if he becomes ''just'' a top 15 QB in this league.

Same here.