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thabear04
11-15-2012, 01:26 PM
Kansas City Chiefs RG Jon Asamoah has been ruled out Sunday for the game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

This means that Russ Hochstein will start in his place at right guard. Hochstein was picked up earlier this season and hasn’t got much playing time.

The Chiefs also reported that Jon Baldwin would be out. This likely means that Steve Breaston will be active this week. I think Breaston could be good if he got some playing time and if Matt Cassel trusts him.

Jake O’Connell has also been ruled out, but I don’t think this is very significant because he doesn’t see much playing time as it is.
Do you think this will affect the Chiefs’ blocking this Sunday?

loochy
11-15-2012, 01:30 PM
Do you think this will affect the Chiefs’ blocking this Sunday?

doesnt matter

BigMeatballDave
11-15-2012, 01:30 PM
What is wrong with Asamoah?

That Cincy DL is gonna rape Cassel's face.

Chocolate Hog
11-15-2012, 01:30 PM
Steve Breastons 6 catches all year will be the difference this week

BigMeatballDave
11-15-2012, 01:33 PM
Steve Breastons 6 catches all year will be the difference this week

I refuse to believe he is the problem this yr. He caught 61 last yr.

suds79
11-15-2012, 01:34 PM
Russ Hochstein at Guard... Sweet.

Tank, tank, tank.

BourbonMan
11-15-2012, 01:36 PM
What is wrong with Asamoah?

Chiefs guard Asamoah to miss Bengals game after having thumb surgery

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/15/3918551/chiefs-guard-asamoah-to-miss-bengals.html#storylink=cpy

:hmmm:..Conspiracy, was seen talking and giving a hug to Haley on Monday night.:hmmm:

Chiefnj2
11-15-2012, 01:37 PM
Breaston should tweak his hammy tomorrow. No point risking an injury for a team that has disrespected you because the old coach brought you in.

HoneyBadger
11-15-2012, 01:38 PM
Well shit...

BourbonMan
11-15-2012, 01:38 PM
.

KCrockaholic
11-15-2012, 01:40 PM
Russ played a few snaps last week. Didn't think he looked that bad for a career back up and guy who just joined the team mid season. With that said, Geno Atkins will duck his world on Sunday. Can't wait. Cassel might die....

SNR
11-15-2012, 01:40 PM
Clark: "The black out is because fans are frustrated that the Chiefs are losing, and we're losing games like this because we don't have all our pieces."

KCrockaholic
11-15-2012, 01:40 PM
Damn auto correct.

Frosty
11-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Jake O’Connell has also been ruled out,


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notorious
11-15-2012, 01:41 PM
If it Baldwin's injury recovery is as fast as his start off the line it will be awhile.

thabear04
11-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Chiefs guard Asamoah to miss Bengals game after having thumb surgery

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/15/3918551/chiefs-guard-asamoah-to-miss-bengals.html#storylink=cpy

:hmmm:..Conspiracy, was seen talking and giving a hug to Haley on Monday night.:hmmm:

Well Hell move Alberts to his guard spot and start are Rookie at LT

Chocolate Hog
11-15-2012, 01:43 PM
I refuse to believe he is the problem this yr. He caught 61 last yr.

I never said he was a problem but he's vastly overrated on here.

SNR
11-15-2012, 01:45 PM
I never said he was a problem but he's vastly overrated on here.

He's a dependable WR, but needs a great QB to really make him shine like some people think he's capable of doing.

Since we don't have one, he looks like overrated garbage.

KCrockaholic
11-15-2012, 01:45 PM
Well Hell move Alberts to his guard spot and start are Rookie at LT
... I pity a foo

KCrockaholic
11-15-2012, 01:47 PM
Playing Breaston is an upgrade over Baldwin.

Frosty
11-15-2012, 01:47 PM
The hits to Baldwin, Quinn and Cassel this year that led to concussions really haven't looked that bad. Either it's worse than it seems on TV or Pioli bought discount helmets to save a couple of bucks.

notorious
11-15-2012, 01:52 PM
Playing Breaston is an upgrade over Baldwin.

It's a HUGE upgrade.

suds79
11-15-2012, 01:53 PM
Playing Breaston is an upgrade over Baldwin.

It really is.

What does Breaston have to do on Sunday to fill Baldwin's shoes?

What? 1 catch for 14 yards?.. I'd say that's about right.

scho63
11-15-2012, 02:07 PM
That Jon Baldwin has been one hell of a 1st RD pick....

tyton75
11-15-2012, 02:08 PM
How is a OG not playing in a game due to a thumb injury?!? Steve DeBerg played QB with a crushed pinkie!

pussies.

InChiefsHell
11-15-2012, 02:14 PM
ROFL.

theelusiveeightrop
11-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Well, what now?

DTLB58
11-15-2012, 02:25 PM
Well, what now?

1-9 :p

BigMeatballDave
11-15-2012, 02:29 PM
I never said he was a problem but he's vastly overrated on here.

61 catches for a #2 is not bad. In a running offense with shitstained QBs.

He did last season what he's done in Arizona. He's not overrated.

Chocolate Hog
11-15-2012, 02:35 PM
61 catches for a #2 is not bad. In a running offense with shitstained QBs.

He did last season what he's done in Arizona. He's not overrated.

2 touchdowns all last season which came in 1 game and didn't do much when Orton was the QB. His numbers go down when he's not around Haley. The guy isn't a #2 WR and should be dumped at the end of the year with the rest of the WR's minus Bowe.

Chief_For_Life58
11-15-2012, 02:55 PM
who cares. rule everyone out. have rockhurst highschool play the bengals instead. prolly be a closer game

Chief_For_Life58
11-15-2012, 03:02 PM
OH NO JAKE THE BONECRUSHER OCONNELL IS OUT?!?!? WHATRE WE GONNA DO????

saphojunkie
11-15-2012, 03:08 PM
I think this team could still win a lot of games. We signed Kevni Boss and Peyton Hills so all they have to do is show up like in 2010 and then teams won't be able to cover evreyone

rabblerouser
11-15-2012, 03:09 PM
His numbers go down when he's not around Haley.

It sure looks like everyone's numbers have went down without Haley...

I sense a trend.

rabblerouser
11-15-2012, 03:10 PM
I think this team could still win a lot of games. We signed Kevni Boss and Peyton Hills so all they have to do is show up like in 2010 and then teams won't be able to cover evreyone

Yeah.

That's gonna get it done, all right.

Kevin Boss and Peyton Hillis are gonna get this thing turned around...

:clap:

Pasta Giant Meatball
11-15-2012, 03:21 PM
Clark: "The black out is because fans are frustrated that the Chiefs are losing, and we're losing games like this because we don't have all our pieces."

He'll fire Pioli, only to stick a fake mustache on and rehire him.

whoman69
11-15-2012, 03:42 PM
I think this team could still win a lot of games. We signed Kevni Boss and Peyton Hills so all they have to do is show up like in 2010 and then teams won't be able to cover evreyone

Uhm, Boss is on IR since doctors won't release him to play the rest of the year with a head injury.

Frosty
11-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Uhm, Boss is on IR since doctors won't release him to play the rest of the year with a head injury.

Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken but I think he is ripping on the people that said that in the off-season. :shrug:

TEX
11-15-2012, 04:17 PM
Wow, didn't know Baldwin was still on the team until I saw a player get hurt against the Steelers and the anouncers said his name...:hmmm:

I'm betting he won't be missed...

the Talking Can
11-15-2012, 04:29 PM
4 years of pioli and our WR core is worse than ever

Baldwin = worthless
mccluster = clown
breaston = benched
moeaki = ghost

Count Zarth
11-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Outstanding.

A terrible rookie LG and a brokedick veteran RG should go along way towards fucking our shit up.

notorious
11-15-2012, 05:13 PM
4 years of pioli and our WR core is worse than ever

Baldwin = worthless
mccluster = clown
breaston = benched
moeaki = ghost

B b b b bbbbut we had one of the best WR cores in the NFL!


:facepalm:


We should take every fluff piece written about Baldwin, roll them up and jam them straight up the propaganda spewing media's ass.

bevischief
11-15-2012, 05:14 PM
We suck again...

notorious
11-15-2012, 05:15 PM
We still suck

FYP

saphojunkie
11-15-2012, 05:21 PM
Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken but I think he is ripping on the people that said that in the off-season. :shrug:

You are the winner! :)

bevischief
11-15-2012, 05:24 PM
At least it could be worse, your wife could have dragged you to watch the new Twilight movie...

DeezNutz
11-15-2012, 06:13 PM
Bowe = extremely productive from the start with garbage QBs, and fans consistently whip shit on him.

Baldwin = no production in the regular season and fans fluff(ed) him repeatedly.

Embarrassing.

Chief3188
11-15-2012, 07:36 PM
2 touchdowns all last season which came in 1 game and didn't do much when Orton was the QB. His numbers go down when he's not around Haley. The guy isn't a #2 WR and should be dumped at the end of the year with the rest of the WR's minus Bowe.

Your opinion in this matter frankly.. matters not. You were a Cassel defender and should be treated as such.

BourbonMan
11-15-2012, 07:46 PM
I usually agree with most everybody when it comes to how bad certain players are playing..But I'm going to disagree on Baldwin.

I think he is a good player, but has not been developed correctly...of course how can anybody be developed correctly under this screwd up management.

Dave Lane
11-15-2012, 07:46 PM
I refuse to believe he is the problem this yr. He caught 61 last yr.

Pioli being vindictive Pioli, god I hate that fucker.

stevieray
11-15-2012, 07:49 PM
Bowe = extremely productive from the start with garbage QBs, and fans consistently whip shit on him.

Baldwin = no production in the regular season and fans fluff(ed) him repeatedly.

Embarrassing.

I like what Gruden said the other night..guy has to show he's the real deal, and he hasn't.

...he's a big target, but he either runs crappy routes,(ie separation) or is just going through the motions.

BigMeatballDave
11-15-2012, 08:04 PM
I like what Gruden said the other night..guy has to show he's the real deal, and he hasn't.

...he's a big target, but he either runs crappy routes,(ie separation) or is just going through the motions.

:spock:

Yes. It's all Bowe's fault.

Not the shitty 9 QBs that he's caught passes from.

ChiefsandO'sfan
11-16-2012, 10:34 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Albert, Allen, Hochstein Winston, Stephenson. that's right, Winston at right guard

Pestilence
11-16-2012, 10:36 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Albert, Allen, Hochstein Winston, Stephenson. that's right, Winston at right guard

Lilja is hurt?

Chiefnj2
11-16-2012, 10:37 AM
I usually agree with most everybody when it comes to how bad certain players are playing..But I'm going to disagree on Baldwin.

I think he is a good player, but has not been developed correctly...of course how can anybody be developed correctly under this screwd up management.

Yet McCluster can get open and get looks from the QB.

Even with horrible QB's and revolving OC's etc, Bowe, Breaston, Moeaki and McCluster were all able to be put into the game plan and get the ball thrown their way over the last few years. For some reason Baldwin hasn't, and that reason isn't solely the QB.

ChiefsandO'sfan
11-16-2012, 10:37 AM
Lilja is hurt?

Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Ryan Lilja is on the exercise bike at chiefs practice so he will obviously be added to their injury list.

Pestilence
11-16-2012, 10:38 AM
Cassel is going to have to file rape charges after this game.

Rausch
11-16-2012, 10:39 AM
Kansas City Chiefs RG Jon Asamoah has been ruled out Sunday for the game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

...

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bevischief
11-16-2012, 10:40 AM
Cassel is going to have to file rape charges after this game.

ROFL

notorious
11-16-2012, 10:41 AM
Cassel is going to have to file rape charges after this game.

Against the fans or his O-Line?

Scary as this sounds, but he played better with that horrible line year 1 than he does today. Think about THAT......

Easy 6
11-16-2012, 10:48 AM
Talk about a patchwork line, mother of pearl.

Hochstein was at home until failoi called him because no one else wanted his career journeyman ass.

Sorter
11-16-2012, 11:58 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Albert, Allen, Hochstein Winston, Stephenson. that's right, Winston at right guard

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/tumblr_md5h6phUZY1rnvwt1.gif

Count Zarth
11-16-2012, 12:07 PM
LMAO

Is this staff fucking real? We're gonna play Stephenson?

LMAO

LMAO


LMAO



LMAO

Buckweath
11-16-2012, 12:26 PM
LMAO

Is this staff ****ing real? We're gonna play Stephenson?

LMAO

LMAO


LMAO



LMAO

What's wrong with that? Win-win situation... if Stephenson plays well, it's a positive sign for the future, if he plays bad, he helps the #1 overall pick quest.

BigMeatballDave
11-16-2012, 12:30 PM
Its gonna be an ugly 9th loss LOL

Pestilence
11-16-2012, 12:32 PM
What's wrong with that? Win-win situation... if Stephenson plays well, it's a positive sign for the future, if he plays bad, he helps the #1 overall pick quest.

Positive sign for the future of what? We already have our LT and RT.

HemiEd
11-16-2012, 12:55 PM
Well Hell move Alberts to his guard spot and start are Rookie at LT

Glad I bought a decoder ring last year.

HemiEd
11-16-2012, 01:02 PM
B b b b bbbbut we had one of the best WR cores in the NFL!


:facepalm:


We should take every fluff piece written about Baldwin, roll them up and jam them straight up the propaganda spewing media's ass.

I just don't agree with the Baldwin hate, sorry. Helloooooooooo, he has fucking Cassel throwing to him on the rare occasion he isn't locked on to Bowe or McCluster.

I think Monday night was the first time I recall Cassel going to his second read since he has been a Chief.

I for one still believe in Baldwin and would love to see him get a chance with a legit QB, or even a mediocre QB similar to Orton.

Chiefnj2
11-16-2012, 02:39 PM
I just don't agree with the Baldwin hate, sorry. Helloooooooooo, he has ****ing Cassel throwing to him on the rare occasion he isn't locked on to Bowe or McCluster.

I think Monday night was the first time I recall Cassel going to his second read since he has been a Chief.

I for one still believe in Baldwin and would love to see him get a chance with a legit QB, or even a mediocre QB similar to Orton.

How was Breaston and Moeaki able to get on Cassel's radar?

Buckweath
11-16-2012, 02:42 PM
Positive sign for the future of what? We already have our LT and RT.

A reliable backup in case a starter goes down or whatever happens?? Did I really need to explain that?

HemiEd
11-16-2012, 03:25 PM
How was Breaston and Moeaki able to get on Cassel's radar?

Yeah, they are both lighting it up right now with Cassel.

Moeaki is averaging less than two catches per game, look out Tony G! In 2010, we all know that the running game of Jamaal Charles made the short passing game work.

I am not sure Breaston has even been active yet this season, has he?

**edit** silly me, he has been active for 8 games, and has 6 catches out of 12 targets. 50%, there is some fail there somewhere, but it is not Baldwin.

Yeah, it is all Baldwin's fault. ROFL

We are talking about the 2012 Matt Cassel right, the one that Baldwin has been trying to play with?

Chiefnj2
11-16-2012, 03:29 PM
Yeah, they are both lighting it up right now with Cassel.

Moeaki is averaging less than two catches per game, look out Tony G! In 2010, we all know that the running game of Jamaal Charles made the short passing game work.

I am not sure Breaston has even been active yet this season, has he?

We are talking about the 2012 Matt Cassel right, the one that Baldwin has been trying to play with?

Breaston isn't active, but when he was he caught the ball. He's blackballed because he was a Haley player.

The fact is that in other years guys like Breaston and Moeaki (when he wasn't injured as a rookie) could get open and catch the ball, something Baldwin hasn't been able to do.

Pestilence
11-16-2012, 03:33 PM
A reliable backup in case a starter goes down or whatever happens?? Did I really need to explain that?

Yeah....because that's always a good thing to get with a 3rd round pick.

:facepalm:

HemiEd
11-16-2012, 03:46 PM
Breaston isn't active, but when he was he caught the ball. He's blackballed because he was a Haley player.

The fact is that in other years guys like Breaston and Moeaki (when he wasn't injured as a rookie) could get open and catch the ball, something Baldwin hasn't been able to do.

Actually, that is not true. Breaston and Moeaki both have a lesser catch per target percentage than Baldwin does. Breaston has been active 8 games, and CP believes he is being held back for being a Todd Haley player.

Baldwin is actually a little over 50%, and both of those guys are exactly 50%.

Baldwin is trying to play with the 2012 version of Matt Cassel, and he is out performing both of those guys with the same QB.

In 2010, we all know why Cassel was "statistically" successful, and his name was Jamaal Charles.

Easy 6
11-16-2012, 04:14 PM
Baldwin is worth keeping for now, no doubt about it imo.

Most wr's take 2-3 years to become an efficient machine, throw in the fact that he's on a team in stage 9 meltdown... yeah, i've seen enough flash to want to see what more there is on a stable team.

Setsuna
11-16-2012, 05:52 PM
Baldwin is worth keeping for now, no doubt about it imo.

Most wr's take 2-3 years to become an efficient machine, throw in the fact that he's on a team in stage 9 meltdown... yeah, i've seen enough flash to want to see what more there is on a stable team.

FALSE.

HemiEd
11-16-2012, 08:27 PM
Baldwin is worth keeping for now, no doubt about it imo.

Most wr's take 2-3 years to become an efficient machine, throw in the fact that he's on a team in stage 9 meltdown... yeah, i've seen enough flash to want to see what more there is on a stable team.

Baldwin hasn't even had an opportunity to show what he has. I am not sure how you can judge any receiver right now with Cassel launching his wobbles at his first read almost exclusively, if he actually gets a pass off before going fetal.

Count Zarth
11-16-2012, 10:29 PM
Baldwin hasn't even had an opportunity to show what he has. I am not sure how you can judge any receiver right now with Cassel launching his wobbles at his first read almost exclusively, if he actually gets a pass off before going fetal.

Baldwin has had plenty of opportunity. He struggles to get open because he is just not very quick, and you can see it when the ball is in his hands.

He has straight line speed (4.4, not even elite speed) and elite jumping ability. That's it.

Other receivers have had plenty of success with Cassel throwing. Bowe, Breaston, Chris Chambers for a few games in 2009, Wes Welker and Randy Moss in New England. Tony Moeaki was very good as a rookie.

Baldwin is a bust. He's Mike Williams II. A big guy with some speed who can't get open against NFL DBs. It says a lot about what the Chiefs think about his abilities that he hasn't received a single jump ball in the red zone this year.

He's just not very good. Scott Pioli has this bugaboo about drafting physical specimens. He falls in love with height/weight. That's why he picked Baldwin. That's why he picked Tyson Jackson. That's why he picked Dontari Poe.

Baldwin is not a bust yet. But next year, when he has about 15 catches after Week 8, he will be.

Chocolate Hog
11-16-2012, 10:41 PM
Baldwin hasn't even had an opportunity to show what he has. I am not sure how you can judge any receiver right now with Cassel launching his wobbles at his first read almost exclusively, if he actually gets a pass off before going fetal.

This isn't true.

Count Zarth
11-16-2012, 10:44 PM
Baldwin is 111th in yards per pass route run.

That's a pretty bad stat when you have 193 pass snaps.

HemiEd
11-17-2012, 02:09 AM
Baldwin has had plenty of opportunity. He struggles to get open because he is just not very quick, and you can see it when the ball is in his hands.

He has straight line speed (4.4, not even elite speed) and elite jumping ability. That's it.

Other receivers have had plenty of success with Cassel throwing. Bowe, Breaston, Chris Chambers for a few games in 2009, Wes Welker and Randy Moss in New England. Tony Moeaki was very good as a rookie.

Baldwin is a bust. He's Mike Williams II. A big guy with some speed who can't get open against NFL DBs. It says a lot about what the Chiefs think about his abilities that he hasn't received a single jump ball in the red zone this year.

He's just not very good. Scott Pioli has this bugaboo about drafting physical specimens. He falls in love with height/weight. That's why he picked Baldwin. That's why he picked Tyson Jackson. That's why he picked Dontari Poe.

Baldwin is not a bust yet. But next year, when he has about 15 catches after Week 8, he will be.
You think Randy Moss had success with Cassel in New England? Compare the numbers with Cassel and Brady. There was a lot of news about that at the time.

I explained earlier in the thread why Moeaki and the rest had success in 2010, #25. Besides, Cassel was just flat playing better than he has since.
Chambers, seriously?

Baldwin had a short season due to Thomas Jones, then no training camp due to the strike, now Paul Hacket 2.0 for and OC with the worst QB in the league.

You are a numbers guy, Baldwin has done a better job than Moeaki and Breaston in 2012 trying to catch the crap Cassel is subjecting them to.

HemiEd
11-17-2012, 02:13 AM
This isn't true.

tis to, honk honk

Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 09:12 AM
Chambers, seriously?
.

Yes, Chambers. He had 600 yards receiving for this team in 2009 in only 9 games. That equates to a 1,000-yard season.

So far Baldwin is the least productive wide receiver the Chiefs have had during Cassel's time in KC. He makes McCluster, who fucking sucks, look good.

What does that tell you?

Breaston, in 2011, looked fine. This season he has obviously been Pioli'd.

Baldwin has flashed something in only one game here. And he did it against a 4th string CB who happened to be starting that game.

He is an abysmal player and QB changes won't help him. He didn't do shit with Orton last year.

And despite the fact that he's playing a LOT more this season, his receiving yards per game has barely improved at all.

He sucks and he's not showing improvement.

Pestilence
11-17-2012, 09:20 AM
This offense isn't utilizing Baldwin how they should be.

Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 09:22 AM
This offense isn't utilizing Baldwin how they should be.

I agree that our QB is useless past 20 yards, but I honestly think Baldwin sucks at running intermediate routes.

He doesn't comprehend the nuances of playing WR in the NFL.

He's just a big guy who can run fast.

Pestilence
11-17-2012, 09:24 AM
I agree that our QB is useless past 20 yards, but I honestly think Baldwin sucks at running intermediate routes.

He doesn't comprehend the nuances of playing WR in the NFL.

He's just a big guy who can run fast.

He came into the perfect situation. He had Haley as his HC....a guy who had been known to get the best out of his WRs. Thomas Jones fucked him from the beginning.....and then Pioli took over fucking him after he left.

notorious
11-17-2012, 10:40 AM
He sucks and he's not showing improvement.

This.

Chiefnj2
11-17-2012, 10:46 AM
The only time Baldwin was ever reported to look good was when Pioli failed to reach an agreement with Bowe. All of a sudden there were media reports of Baldwin hauling in every pass thrown his way and how Baldwin was in an excellent position to replace Bowe if need be.

notorious
11-17-2012, 10:51 AM
The only time Baldwin was ever reported to look good was when Pioli failed to reach an agreement with Bowe. All of a sudden there were media reports of Baldwin hauling in every pass thrown his way and how Baldwin was in an excellent position to replace Bowe if need be.

Just imagine if Bowe would have sat out...........

And fuck our media for doing Pioli's bidding.

HemiEd
11-17-2012, 03:39 PM
This offense isn't utilizing Baldwin how they should be.

Baldwin and Cassel contradict each other.

There is a reason why Cassel has gotten worse each year after getting his shot. Every swinging dick on an opposing defense knows Cassel CAN NOT beat you if pressured.

Instead of standing in there, taking the hit and hitting the single covered receiver, open receiver in the face of a blitz, he just goes fetal.

Cassel has his mind made up if a pass is called, he is staring down
Bowe or McCluster, end of story.

It is going to be hilarious watching this fan base's lack of patience it they ever do draft a QB.

Oh, and the pass that was called incomplete, that Baldwin got injurred on, was complete and a fumble.

JASONSAUTO
11-17-2012, 04:49 PM
You think Randy Moss had success with Cassel in New England? Compare the numbers with Cassel and Brady. There was a lot of news about that at the time.

I explained earlier in the thread why Moeaki and the rest had success in 2010, #25. Besides, Cassel was just flat playing better than he has since.
Chambers, seriously?

Baldwin had a short season due to Thomas Jones, then no training camp due to the strike, now Paul Hacket 2.0 for and OC with the worst QB in the league.

You are a numbers guy, Baldwin has done a better job than Moeaki and Breaston in 2012 trying to catch the crap Cassel is subjecting them to.
Clay has said many times that Cassel made moss a worse player.

he likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth
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Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 04:51 PM
Clay has said many times that Cassel made moss a worse player.

he likes to talk out of both sides of his mouth
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That still doesn't mean Baldwin is any good.

Cassel probably makes Baldwin worse, yes.

With a better QB he'd still be pretty below average.

Cassel turns elite receivers into good receivers and below average receivers like Baldwin into complete shit. Which is what he is.

JASONSAUTO
11-17-2012, 04:53 PM
That still doesn't mean Baldwin is any good.

Cassel probably makes Baldwin worse, yes.

With a better QB he'd still be pretty below average.

Cassel turns elite receivers into good receivers and below average receivers like Baldwin into complete shit. Which is what he is. what it actually means is that you can't put much stock in what you say.


Like right now.
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Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 04:54 PM
what it actually means is that you put much stock in what you say.


What part of what I said is untrue?

Enlighten us.

Chances are Baldwin is shitty. If he was worth crap he'd at least flash once inawhile. He doesn't.

This isn't rocket science.

JASONSAUTO
11-17-2012, 04:56 PM
What part of what I said is untrue?

Enlighten us.

Chances are Baldwin is shitty. If he was worth crap he'd at least flash once inawhile. He doesn't.

This isn't rocket science.he isn't getting the ball dude. Multiple people that have been there in person have reported him running wide open many times.


Look I know you hate all things Pioli so you feel you need to bash most players he's drafted. It's cool. Makes you look silly sometimes but whatever
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Chocolate Hog
11-17-2012, 05:01 PM
He isn't getting the ball because he struggles to get off the line and when he does he can't run the correct route.

Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 05:01 PM
he isn't getting the ball dude. Multiple people that have been there in person have reported him running wide open many times.


Yeah, there is very little proof of this.

Just watch him play. He isn't quick at all. It's not surprising he doesn't get many targets. And even when he does he gets little separation.

BigMeatballDave
11-17-2012, 05:12 PM
Yeah, there is very little proof of this.

Just watch him play. He isn't quick at all. It's not surprising he doesn't get many targets. And even when he does he gets little separation.

IF YOU WERE MAKING GIFS WE WOULD KNOW!

Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 05:15 PM
Believe me, if I saw him open a ton I'd GIF it up.

I even did so last season on one play against Miami.

Anyone here who has NFL rewind can go look at coach's film. If you see him open I'll gladly GIF it.

Ace Gunner
11-17-2012, 05:41 PM
well if baldwin is being replaced by breaston then doesn't this put our Geno in jeopardy??:cuss:

Ace Gunner
11-17-2012, 05:45 PM
and OBTW the passing game looks worse than Matty Tin foil's first season here. He's such a damn tardo. Who the fuck knows if Baldwin is actually running the right routes or the wrong ones, as it appears. All I know is the whole damn pass game has been consistently horrible.

Count Zarth
11-17-2012, 05:48 PM
and OBTW the passing game looks worse than Matty Tin foil's first season here. He's such a damn tardo. Who the fuck knows if Baldwin is actually running the right routes or the wrong ones, as it appears. All I know is the whole damn pass game has been consistently horrible.

Even when our passing game was good in Week 1, Baldwin was nowhere to be found.

Ace Gunner
11-17-2012, 07:32 PM
Even when our passing game was good in Week 1, Baldwin was nowhere to be found.

no argument here mang. either way, JB has underwhelmed.