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HonestChieffan
11-15-2012, 08:51 PM
Talked to a dentist friend of mine today. He recieved notice from the Invisalign people (clear braces) thathey will add $50 to their lab fees as a result of the medical equipment tax under ObamaCare. My kid is over 30 so it wont impact me but Doc said he will pass it on as a line item as an ObamaCare tax so his clients know why the prices are going up.

Forward!!!

Only rich peoples kids get braces so it is probably a good thing right?

petegz28
11-15-2012, 08:54 PM
This is one tax I never understood and will call out every blind supporter of Obamacare.

If the point of Obamacare was to make healthcare cheaper, WTF did they tax medical devices higher? Isn't that about as counterproductive as it can be?

lewdog
11-15-2012, 08:57 PM
No totally on line with this thread but I was informed my health insurance premiums are going up $45 a month and with less coverage. Awesome.

mlyonsd
11-15-2012, 09:06 PM
No totally on line with this thread but I was informed my health insurance premiums are going up $45 a month and with less coverage. Awesome.The fat lazy fuck diabetic that thinks delivering pizzas is too much work applauds your efforts.

Comrade Crapski
11-15-2012, 09:11 PM
Well at least 30 something year old career students can now get their $15 dollar tube of spermacidal lube on the dole. It's for the greater good™.


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La literatura
11-15-2012, 09:42 PM
No totally on line with this thread but I was informed my health insurance premiums are going up $45 a month and with less coverage. Awesome.

Does your company provide you with health insurance, or do you purchase it individually?

La literatura
11-15-2012, 09:44 PM
Only rich peoples kids get braces so it is probably a good thing right?

Only rich people get Invisalign. The lower class losers get metal wires.

lewdog
11-15-2012, 10:04 PM
Does your company provide you with health insurance, or do you purchase it individually?

You have the option to purchase it through the company, differing degrees of coverage are available based on your needs.

J Diddy
11-15-2012, 10:53 PM
Well as long as we are stating shit nobody can prove in an effort to better forward our case, mine went down. Sounds like your insurance sucks.

BWillie
11-15-2012, 11:00 PM
Hey... just want to make sure. When I quit my job in two years to work 10 hrs a week at the golf course, will I get completely free health care w out paying any health premium whatsoever? If so. .. Thank you Obama. That is one thing ive been worrying about when I go part time.

ForeverChiefs58
11-15-2012, 11:17 PM
They're not the only ones.

Get ready to pay more for your Grand Slam.

A Florida restaurateur who operates roughly 40 Denny’s locations and five Hurricane Grill & Wings franchises in Florida, Virginia and Georgia intends to add a 5 percent surcharge to customers’ bills to offset costs from ObamaCare beginning in January 2014 when the Affordable Care Act is fully implemented.

“People are trying to find ways to avoid the penalties and to avoid having to pay for ObamaCare,” John Metz told FoxNews.com. “Everyone’s looking for a way to not have to provide insurance for their employees. It’s essentially a huge tax on all us business people.”

To further offset the costs, Metz, who oversees roughly 1,200 employees as president and CEO of RREMC Restaurants, LLC, said he also will slash most of the staff's time to fewer than 30 hours per week. That change will be announced to employees next month, he said.

“I want to explain it to everybody, to let them know what’s coming down the pike,” he said. “We like to keep our employees informed.”

The changes will force some front-of-the-house employees to look for second jobs, Metz said, but he simply cannot afford the penalties associated with ObamaCare.

“It’s a great concept,” he said. “We want to have everyone insured. The problem is, who is going to pay for it and how are we going to accomplish this?”

Under the current law, employers with more than 50 full-time (or equivalent) workers will be charged a penalty for the number of employees exceeding 30 full-time staffers who are not covered. With an average of 35 full-time employees per location, Metz said the $2,000 penalty would total roughly $70,000 per restaurant. Current coverage costs Metz up to $6,000 annually per full-time employee, he said. He currently provides coverage to about 250 employees.

“It’s going to be a big issue for all of us — for my employees and for me,” said Metz, who has been in the industry since 1975. “The ones that are working more than 28 hours, they’re going to act as if I’m cutting their hours and they’ll have to find another job.”

At Denny’s restaurants operated by Metz, the average check is $9, he said, meaning the ObamaCare surcharge if implemented would be 45 cents on that bill. At Hurricane Grill & Wings locations, where the average bill is $14.50, the surcharge would total 72 cents.

Metz said he believes the entire restaurant industry — even high-end locations — will ultimately embrace the idea.

“That is what I foresee and that is the easier, least painful way to deal with these added costs,” he said. “In a true playing field, everybody will impose this, from McDonald’s to Denny’s to even maybe the fine dining restaurants in order to have the funds to be able to pay for either insurance or the penalty for not providing insurance to their employees.”

Metz also is urging his employees to consider contacting their local elected officials in hopes of finding another solution to offset his looming increased costs.

“It’s never good news, but it is what it is,” Metz said of increasing customers’ checks. “We really should look for a better or different way to pay for [ObamaCare]. I think what we’re going to ultimately see here is a European-type system where we have a value added tax or a national sales tax.”

Metz continued: “I have a choice: try to live within the rules, or go out of business.”

In a statement to FoxNews.com, the National Restaurant Association said it’s “premature” to assess precisely how the health care law will affect individual businesses.

“We have warned for some time that the mechanics of the health care law are very difficult for the restaurant industry, which is a low-margin industry that works to keep costs down in order to provide value to customers,” said Scott DeFife, executive vice president of policy and government affairs for the National Restaurant Association. “All costs, from gas and commodities to labor and insurance, eventually impact the price on the menu. It is important that operators get very familiar with the provisions of the law and start planning for its implementation; however, it’s premature to make a specific assessment of exactly how the law will affect any individual business because there are so many details that are unknown.”


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/florida-restaurateur-to-impose-surcharge-for-obamacare.html

|Zach|
11-15-2012, 11:20 PM
The free market doesn't work out for everyone. Be sure to blame Obama before you turn off the lights.

Good businesses succeed. Shitty ones make excuses and go away.

OmahaChief
11-16-2012, 09:41 AM
The free market doesn't work out for everyone. Be sure to blame Obama before you turn off the lights.

Good businesses succeed. Shitty ones make excuses and go away.

Or they get bailed out.

ROYC75
11-16-2012, 10:06 AM
Or they get bailed out.

On the tax payers money...

FORWARD !

ROYC75
11-16-2012, 10:07 AM
Maybe the next presidential election slogan should be , " REVERSE ".

durtyrute
11-16-2012, 10:08 AM
Only wealthy people deserve good healthcare, it's the American way.

TEX
11-16-2012, 10:08 AM
Talked to a dentist friend of mine today. He recieved notice from the Invisalign people (clear braces) thathey will add $50 to their lab fees as a result of the medical equipment tax under ObamaCare. My kid is over 30 so it wont impact me but Doc said he will pass it on as a line item as an ObamaCare tax so his clients know why the prices are going up.

Forward!!!

Only rich peoples kids get braces so it is probably a good thing right?

More to come in every other medical industry. This is gonna be a KILLER for the country. Idiots that voted for Obama need to pay it.

Brock
11-16-2012, 10:11 AM
More to come in every other medical industry. This is gonna be a KILLER for the country. Idiots that vother for Obama need to pay it.

LOL at the butthurt.

BucEyedPea
11-16-2012, 10:12 AM
Only wealthy people deserve good healthcare, it's the American way.

That's not true durtyrute. Healhcare was once affordable, although not always cheap...and no one was turned away. The Progressives were pushing for universal healthcare as far back as the early 1900's before there was a healthcare crisis.

All this govt intervention in healthcare markets has done and pushed up the price and made both doctors and patients unhappy while corporations got the most out of it. It doesn't work. It distorts pricing signals and pushes the demand curve.

ROYC75
11-16-2012, 10:13 AM
I know we are not rich, yet we have to pay an additional $ 500.00 ( 250 x 2 ) for 2 doctor visits on the wife and I just to continue getting our medications, of which each has went up 10 %.

That's FORWARD with our money that is very difficult to come by now a days.

The horror stories our doctor has told us about this ObamaCare on 2 Seniors that have no insurance is not promising at all.

Leave it to the dumb ass punks and idiots of this country to put a plan together to limit the care of Seniors. But as they say, just die quickly and leave the money to us.

Brock
11-16-2012, 10:14 AM
Leave it to the dumb ass punks and idiots of this country to put a plan together to limit the care of Seniors. But as they say, just die quickly and leave the money to us.

Your generation created this mess.

BucEyedPea
11-16-2012, 10:15 AM
I know we are not rich, yet we have to pay and additional $ 500.00 ( 250 x 2 ) for 2 doctor visits on the wife and I just to continue getting our medications, of which each has went up 10 %.

That's FORWARD with our money that is very difficult to come by now a days.

The horror stories our doctor has told us about this ObamaCare on 2 Seniors that have no insurance is not promising at all.

Leave it to the dumb ass punks and idiots of this country to put a plan together to limit the care of Seniors. But as they say, just die quickly and leave the money to us.

That's why some are calling Boomers pasty old white guys. Their lives are worthless. Their thinking is suitable for a system that will ration the elderly to an earlier grave. More for them. Not only do they pit the rich and the poor against each other but the generations.

durtyrute
11-16-2012, 10:20 AM
That's not true durtyrute. Healhcare was once affordable, although not always cheap...and no one was turned away. The Progressives were pushing for universal healthcare as far back as the early 1900's before there was a healthcare crisis.

All this govt intervention in healthcare markets has done and pushed up the price and made both doctors and patients unhappy while corporations got the most out of it. It doesn't work. It distorts pricing signals and pushes the demand curve.

You understand all of this far more than I do Buc. I just don't like the principle of some people getting better healthcare than others because they make more - to me that should be a basic right.

KC Dan
11-16-2012, 10:45 AM
The free market doesn't work out for everyone. Be sure to blame Obama before you turn off the lights.

Good businesses succeed. Shitty ones make excuses and go away.Same could be said about govt's, but it's Bush's fault

BucEyedPea
11-16-2012, 10:48 AM
You understand all of this far more than I do Buc. I just don't like the principle of some people getting better healthcare than others because they make more - to me that should be a basic right.

Well,sorry, but I don't consider that a basic right.

ROYC75
11-16-2012, 11:02 AM
Your generation created this mess.

Since you are big on ObamaCare, how about I make arraignments for all of my pre exsisisting conditions let you pay for it if you are standing big on hand outs, spreading the wealth, etc.

The way this election went, I'm quite sure I can get many liberals here to sign up and help.

We have seen our cost of medical care at the doctor go up by $ 500.00 a year, plus the medication by $ 10%, that's only $ 300.00, crap who's counting here, right. Plus we have less options to the coverage we will get in 2014.

YOU, tell me why we should be happy ?

BucEyedPea
11-16-2012, 11:03 AM
Your generation created this mess.

ROFL

KC Dan
11-16-2012, 11:04 AM
Since you are big on ObamaCare, how about I make arraignments for all of my pre exsisisting conditions let you pay for it if you are standing big on hand outs, spreading the wealth, etc.

The way this election went, I'm quite sure I can get many liberals here to sign up and help.

We have seen our cost of medical care at the doctor go up by $ 500.00 a year, plus the medication by $ 10%, that's only $ 300.00, crap who's counting here, right. Plus we have less options to the coverage we will get in 2014.

YOU, tell me why we should be happy ?My 27 year old son who works at Home Depot as a promotional guy, just was told yesterday that he has to pay $100 more per month for his medical. $1200/yr increase overnight. Thanks Obamacare. But, the middle and lower class won't see any increase in their costs = BULLCRAP!

Mr. Plow
11-16-2012, 11:05 AM
You understand all of this far more than I do Buc. I just don't like the principle of some people getting better healthcare than others because they make more - to me that should be a basic right.

Having access to affordable healthcare should be a right for everyone - that I agree on - but rich people always get "better" than everyone else at everything. Homes, cars, food, schools, etc etc etc.

ROYC75
11-16-2012, 11:06 AM
Well,sorry, but I don't consider that a basic right.

I do.... we should all be entitled to the same.

Crap, ObamaCare is going to help us all ...... do you really think we will all have the same coverage there ? I know you will agree with me and say No, we will not.

So to be looked upon at a lesser degree is American in the eyes of Liberals?

BucEyedPea
11-16-2012, 11:09 AM
Having access to affordable healthcare should be a right for everyone - that I agree on - but rich people always get "better" than everyone else at everything. Homes, cars, food, schools, etc etc etc.

Your making a case for a positive right though, not a basic right. But you're right, the rich have everything better. That's just an unavoidable fact of life.

I think a more accurate way of calling access to affordable healthcare, is one has a right to get it on their own—not at someone else's expense. That's just what liberty would allow. Liberty is a natural right at least here. The latter has never been a right. Unless one is a socialist. It intrudes on someone else's natural rights.

The market can and does do a better job of delivering affordable health care. Prices on hi tech eventually come down but not when the govt interferes attempting to make it affordable. That winds up driving up costs. If the govt takes over, then you just get poorer quality, waits and lines. That is not more access. People die in govt healthcare systems, socialist healthcare systems and market systems. There's no way of achieving a perfect system.

theelusiveeightrop
11-16-2012, 11:14 AM
Invisalign is subject to the medical excise tax because the aligners are made overseas.

ROYC75
11-16-2012, 11:18 AM
My 27 year old son who works at Home Depot as a promotional guy, just was told yesterday that he has to pay $100 more per month for his medical. $1200/yr increase overnight. Thanks Obamacare. But, the middle and lower class won't see any increase in their costs = BULLCRAP!

I agree, I would hate to see what our premiums would be if we were both under an insurance plan. No freaking way to be able to pay for it.


But listening to Liberals here, we have ObamaCare on the way to save us.ROFL

If those idiots only knew what coverage we get. If we seek other treatments above what ObamaCare will pay for it's so damn outrageous it makes you head spin.

My doctor told me last week not to expect getting anything fixed in this ObamaCare. That there would be so much red tape to go through with the current pre existing conditions it is really mind boggling plus the list would be very long. Having to prove I need the surgeries, why now when I have had some of these issues for 17 years. Could you get by if we alleviate the pain in a different way..... ( crap, drugs are not doing this now ). I want a quality life as well, being able to move without saying ****, ***of a **** and a few other choice words.

InChiefsHell
11-16-2012, 11:21 AM
Just got my haircut and the gal who cuts my hair says (it's a national chain) that their insurance is going through the roof now, and that BC&BS said that unless it's 50% participation they are getting dropped or something like that. Not sure what IT is, but she said the bottom line is, they are going to be forced to buy their own health insurance.

'sall good.

|Zach|
11-16-2012, 11:51 AM
My friend just said something...so I thought I should post in this thread.

Brainiac
11-16-2012, 03:00 PM
Having access to affordable healthcare should be a right for everyone - that I agree on - but rich people always get "better" than everyone else at everything. Homes, cars, food, schools, etc etc etc.
The trick is how to pay for it. Sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating "_______________ should be a right for everyone" over and over doesn't really solve the problem of how to pay for it.

I say we just take all of the money from the rich people and give it to the poor people who deserve it. /liberals

BigMeatballDave
11-16-2012, 03:04 PM
The fat lazy fuck diabetic that thinks delivering pizzas is too much work applauds your efforts.

:spock:

What does that have to do with obamafail?

vailpass
11-16-2012, 03:04 PM
Talked to a dentist friend of mine today. He recieved notice from the Invisalign people (clear braces) thathey will add $50 to their lab fees as a result of the medical equipment tax under ObamaCare. My kid is over 30 so it wont impact me but Doc said he will pass it on as a line item as an ObamaCare tax so his clients know why the prices are going up.

Forward!!!

Only rich peoples kids get braces so it is probably a good thing right?

My 14 year old is getting invisaligns over Christmas break. I'll probably dodge the obama penalty on that one. Two more boys behind him, don't know yet if they will need them but if so I'll look forward to obama adding to what is already a hefty bill.
Asshole in chief.

alpha_omega
11-16-2012, 03:09 PM
.... Doc said he will pass it on as a line item as an ObamaCare tax so his clients know why the prices are going up....



I approve of the way the doc will be handling the invoices.

La literatura
11-16-2012, 03:41 PM
The horror stories our doctor has told us about this ObamaCare on 2 Seniors that have no insurance is not promising at all.

What are the horror stories? Seniors (w/ and w/o insurance) have Medicare, so it must be something related to Medigap Insurance policies?

mlyonsd
11-16-2012, 03:50 PM
:spock:

What does that have to do with obamafail?

When this guy gets subsidized insurance who do you think picks up the slack?

Brock
11-16-2012, 04:11 PM
When this guy gets subsidized insurance who do you think picks up the slack?

The same people who pick it up now?

RedNeckRaider
11-16-2012, 04:17 PM
The fact remains this unread bullshit was shoved up our ass at a price of 900 hundred billion and now it is approaching 3 trillion~

Dave Lane
11-16-2012, 05:01 PM
No totally on line with this thread but I was informed my health insurance premiums are going up $45 a month and with less coverage. Awesome.

Thats never happened before. You must be on to something.

Alert the media.

vailpass
11-16-2012, 05:03 PM
The fact remains this unread bullshit was shoved up our ass at a price of 900 hundred billion and now it is approaching 3 trillion~

Indeed.

HonestChieffan
11-16-2012, 06:41 PM
My 14 year old is getting invisaligns over Christmas break. I'll probably dodge the obama penalty on that one. Two more boys behind him, don't know yet if they will need them but if so I'll look forward to obama adding to what is already a hefty bill.
Asshole in chief.

Jensen says you are rich. You bastard. Mr Plow thinks you are a fat cat with nice things. Must suck to be you

Comrade Crapski
01-15-2013, 08:45 AM
More of Barry's lies and BS revealed...

Now the other shoes begin to drop. Voters knew in November that many of the promises Obama made in 2008 had been broken. The economy had not revived as he had promised it would ("or we'll be talking about a one-term proposition"). He has not "changed the tone in Washington" — except for the worse. He didn't prevent lobbyists from holding positions in his administration. He didn't cut the deficit in half; he increased it radically. But voters apparently decided that the president deserved credit for good intentions.

How long will that indulgence last? The next four years, whatever else they may bring, will tally the results of Obama's first term policies. Some of those will not be felt until 2014, when Obamacare comes fully online. Others will be subtle, like the depressing effect of Dodd/Frank on lending. Still others will be obvious — Obama's "chickens coming home to roost."

One of these deserves close attention because it so perfectly captures what's wrong with the president's (and the Democratic Party's) approach to government.

Remember Mr. Obama's pet project to improve American medical care by moving to digital medical records? Candidate Obama talked it up in 2008, and the newly-elected president inserted it into the stimulus bill in 2009. Switching from paper to digital medical records, Obama said, would reduce the cost and improve the quality of care. It would "cut waste, eliminate red tape and reduce the need to repeat expensive medical tests." Digital records would also reduce "deadly but preventable medical errors that pervade our health care system."

Because Obama thought it would be a good idea, because it seemed like common sense to him, U.S. taxpayers spent $19 billion to transition doctors' offices and hospitals to electronic systems. Doctors and hospitals that adopt digital systems are eligible for payments from Uncle Sam. Those who fail to comply will be punished with declining Medicare reimbursements starting in 2015. It's a coercive, top-down, big government "solution" in search of a problem.

It might be a good idea to adopt digital medical records. But the "common sense" way to do it would be through an organic, grassroots system in which doctors and other health professionals tested systems and selected those that worked best for the money expended.

Only doctors themselves are in a position to judge whether switching to an electronic system makes them more or less efficient. Doctors would not spend the money unless they were confident that such technology would be worth the price.

If the government is paying for it, such calculations fly out the window. In fact, with the government coercing adoption, bad decisions are inevitable.


A number of studies and reports are filtering in showing that government-sponsored digital medical records have not reduced medical costs. A study in the journal Health Affairs found that offices with digital medical records were 40 to 70 percent more likely to order diagnostic tests — thus increasing medical spending. Doctors have also raised privacy concerns. Patient confidentiality is strictly regulated by the 1996 HIPAA law.

Unauthorized releases could leave physicians vulnerable to lawsuits. But many of the existing software systems fail to protect confidentiality.

As with so much government cash, we have no idea whether it really gets spent on the intended ends. HHS has issued a report suggesting that Medicare officials have failed to verify whether the health professionals who got the government cash to adopt digital systems have actually used them. None of the payments has been audited.

The RAND Corporation, which had issued a cheerleading report in 2005 arguing that the U.S. could save $81 billion a year by adopting digital records, has issued a new report suggesting that its original estimates were, ahem, optimistic. "Evidence of significant savings is scant," reports The New York Times, "and there is increasing concern that electronic records have actually added to costs by making it easier to bill more for some services."

The latest RAND study notes that many of the electronic records systems are hard to use and lack interoperability. Anecdotal evidence suggests that doctors hate them. Like all computer-based systems, they are vulnerable to crashes. Dr. David Brailer, the health information czar under George W. Bush summed it up well for the Times, "The vast sum of stimulus money flowing into health information technology created a 'race to adopt' mentality — buy the systems today to get government handouts, but figure out how to make them work tomorrow."

If then, but taxpayers will never see that $19 billion again. That's Democratic leadership — less efficiency at higher prices.

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