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ROYC75
11-27-2012, 10:25 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/27/obama-goes-on-offensive-with-christmas-campaign-for-tax-hike/

Obama Goes on Offensive With Christmas Campaign for Tax Hike

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Most important is you canít change Washington from inside, only from the outside. Thatís how some of our biggest accomplishments like health care got done ó mobilizing the American people.Ē

-- President Obama at a Sept. 20 Presidential candidate forum in Miami hosted by Spanish-language broadcaster Univision.

For Americans weary of the perpetual presidential campaign, Election Day seems to have brought little relief.

President Obama will return to the electoral battleground of Montgomery County in suburban Philadelphia on Friday to press his case for a tax increase on top earners. Meanwhile, Team Obama is pushing campaign volunteers to turn their attention to the battle for higher tax rates.

While Republicans are talking about how much they should get in return for their concession to the re-elected president, that same president is going public with his answer: Nada.

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Obama will reportedly hold his campaign-style event at a toymaker in Hatfield, Pa., dovetailing with his argument that if Congress does not accept his plan, Christmas sales will suffer and the economy could tumble.

Going out to say that Republicans are ruining Christmas is the strongest sign yet weíve seen that Obama isnít looking for a Kumbaya moment with the GOP. He wants Republicans to start the process with a full concession on tax rates.

The thinking in Obamaís new Christmas campaign is that he can maximize his leverage in the negotiations with congressional Republicans over looming, automatic, across-the-board tax hikes and spending cuts by rallying public support for his position and painting conservative Republicans, rather than liberal Democrats, as the cliff jumpers.

Obama has long held that the struggles of his first term have been mostly due to failing to rally public support to his positions, rather than the positions themselves. Itís clear in the battle over the so-called fiscal cliff, the president means to keep his campaign going in order to apply political pressure to his Republican foes.

Those Republican foes, however, are already looking for a way to cut a deal with Obama. Thereís little debate on the GOP side that any deal to avert the massive tax hikes and other ticking fiscal time bombs will involve top earners paying more in taxes. The debate on the right is over how to structure such a deal to maximize spending cuts, changes to entitlement programs and simplifying the tax code.

While Republicans are talking about how much they should get in return for their concession to the re-elected president, that same president is going public with his answer: Nada.

Obamaís top White House political adviser David Plouffe, the architect of the presidentís smash-mouth re-election campaign, told an audience at his alma mater, the University of Delaware, that Obama wanted to use this moment to reset the fiscal footing of the nation for the next 10 or 20 years and address the convoluted tax code and long-term drivers of the debt, like Medicare and Medicaid.

But, Plouffe also warned that in order to get a big deal done, ďthis is going to get hairy.Ē

The translation: Obama plans to push Republicans hard in this negotiation in order to use a short-term crisis to get a long-term deal thatís to his liking.

While lots of Republicans are open to the idea of doing a big deal that addresses the long-term drivers of federal debt and there is broad support for tax reform on the Red Team, there is deep resistance to giving Obama what he wants right now, which is to see tax rates climb for top earners.

Having been forced to extend current tax rates twice in his first term, Obama is looking to show that heís going to stand his ground in a second term.

Obamaís first public appearance after his re-election was a campaign-style event at the White House featuring middle-class folks who the president said would be the victims if Republicans failed to accept his proposal for higher rates in top brackets.

Fridayís event is intended to show how the economy would be damaged if those middle-class folks had less money to spend on toys and Christmas cheer.

What Republicans had in mind was doing a big bundle of a deal that would address taxes, spending, entitlements, the soon-to-be-breached debt ceiling and other lingering concerns. They came back to town offering concessions on taxes in hopes of getting the ball rolling on doing the big deal.

But Obama is going the other way, looking to manufacture a real mandate for a top-tier tax increase and to force Republicans to eat it before the end of the year. The president is no doubt already imagining the GOP in chaos as moderate members of the Red Team jump for the tax-hike deal as the clock ticks down.

Vicious Republican primary fights and a splintered GOP House majority are the sugarplums dancing in the heads of Obama and Plouffe this Christmas season.

Having blown up the GOP over the year-end tax hikes, Obama no doubt imagines that he will be able to roll up victories on spending, the rest of the tax code and entitlements, especially the one created by his 2010 health law.

At a moment where the Republicans are trying to hand Obama the gift of a victory on taxes, the president is sending a clear message that heís not starting the discussion until Republicans give him exactly what he wants on the extension of tax rates.

So much for the new spirit of compromise.



Chris Stirewalt is digital politics editor for Fox News, and his POWER PLAY column appears Monday-Friday on FoxNews.com. Catch Chris Live online daily at 11:30amET at http:live.foxnews.com.


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Bowser
11-27-2012, 10:30 AM
Well, Obama isn't necessarily wrong. If we get down to the wire with this, and both sides are pissing and moaning about who gives what, Christmas sales likely WILL suffer.

And look at it like this - This is like negotiating for a new car. They give an offer of what they want, you counter, and so on and so on....

La literatura
11-27-2012, 10:33 AM
Reportedly, Obama's speeches refuse to use the word "Christmas." Instead, he will only make reference to "Holiday Sales."

Bowser
11-27-2012, 10:38 AM
Reportedly, Obama's speeches refuse to use the word "Christmas." Instead, he will only make reference to "Holiday Sales."

Did he show the ring? DID HE SHOW THE RING??

ROYC75
11-27-2012, 10:40 AM
Reportedly, Obama's speeches refuse to use the word "Christmas." Instead, he will only make reference to "Holiday Sales."

This time of year, people know what he means and fails to say.

That would be like me saying you didn't tell the truth when in fact you lied about it.

ROYC75
11-27-2012, 10:41 AM
Class warfare ......scare the masses.

Dave Lane
11-27-2012, 10:43 AM
Reportedly, Obama's speeches refuse to use the word "Christmas." Instead, he will only make reference to "Holiday Sales."


Good on him.

Dave Lane
11-27-2012, 10:44 AM
Class warfare ......scare the masses.

So what class do you think you are in, just out of Curiosity?

Bowser
11-27-2012, 10:47 AM
Class warfare ......scare the masses.

Sure

La literatura
11-27-2012, 10:49 AM
This time of year, people know what he means and fails to say.

That would be like me saying you didn't tell the truth when in fact you lied about it.

Good on him.

I made that up.

ROYC75
11-27-2012, 10:50 AM
So what class do you think you are in, just out of Curiosity?

Well since you asked, I was low middle class until Obama got re-elected and now I have dropped to the poor class.

Lack of stable markets and new hires, along with the construction not booming has left this family in some of the toughest times I have ever seen.

Rebound ? Sure, one of these days, I just don't see a rebound for us for another 5 to 6 months.

For what was projected to be a very prosperous 2012 year, Obama has turned that backwards due to the Keystone slowdown & unstable markets.

SNR
11-27-2012, 10:50 AM
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HonestChieffan
11-27-2012, 11:06 AM
Obama Claus is coming down your chimney to steal your childrens toys and your liquor.

Chief Faithful
11-27-2012, 11:07 AM
Well since you asked, I was low middle class until Obama got re-elected and now I have dropped to the poor class.

Lack of stable markets and new hires, along with the construction not booming has left this family in some of the toughest times I have ever seen.

Rebound ? Sure, one of these days, I just don't see a rebound for us for another 5 to 6 months.

For what was projected to be a very prosperous 2012 year, Obama has turned that backwards due to the Keystone slowdown & unstable markets.

Stock speculators are saying in 3 to 4 months to expect a market crash worse than when the housing bubble popped.

Saulbadguy
11-27-2012, 11:24 AM
Well since you asked, I was low middle class until Obama got re-elected and now I have dropped to the poor class.

Lack of stable markets and new hires, along with the construction not booming has left this family in some of the toughest times I have ever seen.

Rebound ? Sure, one of these days, I just don't see a rebound for us for another 5 to 6 months.

For what was projected to be a very prosperous 2012 year, Obama has turned that backwards due to the Keystone slowdown & unstable markets.

Sounds like you made a lot of poor decisions.

theelusiveeightrop
11-27-2012, 11:30 AM
Stock speculators are saying in 3 to 4 months to expect a market crash worse than when the housing bubble popped.

Can you give me the Powerball numbers too?

alpha_omega
11-27-2012, 11:53 AM
Fuck him! Over the cliff!

FD
11-27-2012, 11:55 AM
Stock speculators are saying in 3 to 4 months to expect a market crash worse than when the housing bubble popped.

The VIX looks nice and low from where I'm sitting.

ROYC75
11-27-2012, 12:15 PM
Sounds like you made a lot of poor decisions.

How so ?


I really want to hear this one since you do not have all of the facts.

HonestChieffan
11-27-2012, 12:19 PM
Cabelas, Sturm Ruger, Smith and Wesson.

HonestChieffan
11-27-2012, 02:52 PM
ANDREA MITCHELL: There are reliable studies that show you can’t cap enough deductions and level the playing field enough to raise the kind of revenue you need. We’re talking about a trillion and a half dollars here.

TOM PRICE: You know well, Andrea, that the president’s plan to increase taxes on the upper 2 president covers the spending by this federal government not for eight years, not for eight months, not for eight weeks but for eight days. Eight days only. It’s not a real solution. So, again, I’m puzzled by an administration that seems to be more interested in raising tack rates than in gaining economic vitality.

ROYC75
11-27-2012, 10:10 PM
Sounds like you made a lot of poor decisions.

Once again you speak of what you know not about.

Dave Lane
11-27-2012, 10:14 PM
Well since you asked, I was low middle class until Obama got re-elected and now I have dropped to the poor class.

Lack of stable markets and new hires, along with the construction not booming has left this family in some of the toughest times I have ever seen.

Rebound ? Sure, one of these days, I just don't see a rebound for us for another 5 to 6 months.

For what was projected to be a very prosperous 2012 year, Obama has turned that backwards due to the Keystone slowdown & unstable markets.

So your plan is to raise your portion of taxes should you ever recover and lower the taxes on the rich. I'm curious once again as how you see this in any way helping your situation.

Also are you on any form or government assistance due to your circumstances?

ROYC75
11-27-2012, 11:00 PM
So your plan is to raise your portion of taxes should you ever recover and lower the taxes on the rich.
Why would I want to raise my own taxes ? Plus where have I said it's best to raise taxes. Lower taxes on the rich, no, raise them, no , raising them slows job growth.
I'm curious once again as how you see this in any way helping your situation.
Not sure what you want me to answer here? If we are talking economy, we need job growth. We have to make it worth while for new business to open to create jobs, nobody wants to invest and have to pay higher taxes on a new business.
Also are you on any form or government assistance due to your circumstances?
Nope, matter of fact, I'm helping part of my family out to help out the government out on entitlements.


Now, do you wish to pay higher taxes?

Are you taking any government assistance?

Psyko Tek
11-27-2012, 11:21 PM
Obama Claus is coming down your chimney to steal your childrens toys and your liquor.

and bulletts

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 01:22 AM
Well since you asked, I was low middle class until Obama got re-elected and now I have dropped to the poor class.

Lack of stable markets and new hires, along with the construction not booming has left this family in some of the toughest times I have ever seen.

Rebound ? Sure, one of these days, I just don't see a rebound for us for another 5 to 6 months.

For what was projected to be a very prosperous 2012 year, Obama has turned that backwards due to the Keystone slowdown & unstable markets.

More "conservatives" blaming their free market problems on Obama.

Because ya know...they are the party of personal responsibility.

Saulbadguy
11-28-2012, 05:50 AM
Once again you speak of what you know not about.

So, you aren't poor because of poor decisions you made? Perhaps choosing whatever line of work you are in was a poor decision.

Saulbadguy
11-28-2012, 05:53 AM
Why would I want to raise my own taxes ? Plus where have I said it's best to raise taxes. Lower taxes on the rich, no, raise them, no , raising them slows job growth. Not sure what you want me to answer here? If we are talking economy, we need job growth. We have to make it worth while for new business to open to create jobs, nobody wants to invest and have to pay higher taxes on a new business.
Nope, matter of fact, I'm helping part of my family out to help out the government out on entitlements.


Now, do you wish to pay higher taxes?

Are you taking any government assistance?
There is no shame in taking government assistance.

Dave Lane
11-28-2012, 06:33 AM
Now, do you wish to pay higher taxes?

Are you taking any government assistance?

Higher Taxes are necessary if we are going to decrease the deficit.

The last government assistance I got I was 18 when the GM plant I was working at had the roof collapse. Took unemployment for a few weeks then started my own company. That was my last government assistance and paycheck with someone elses name on it.

WilliamTheIrish
11-28-2012, 08:09 AM
Once again you speak of what you know not about.

Do we have any english teachers on the board? This sentence structure troubles me.

HonestChieffan
11-28-2012, 08:26 AM
Do we have any english teachers on the board? This sentence structure troubles me.



Id ask the missus but she's away. Diagram it, that will some time fill.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 10:58 AM
More "conservatives" blaming their free market problems on Obama.

Because ya know...they are the party of personal responsibility.

Be more specific, if you will since you do not answer my questions.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 11:03 AM
So, you aren't poor because of poor decisions you made? Perhaps choosing whatever line of work you are in was a poor decision.

Nope, just more of you speaking on things you know nothing about.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 11:04 AM
There is no shame in taking government assistance.

Didn't say that there was, unless you allow it to become your lifestyle over neglecting to better yourself.

Surely you can agree, no ?

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 11:06 AM
Higher Taxes are necessary if we are going to decrease the deficit.

The last government assistance I got I was 18 when the GM plant I was working at had the roof collapse. Took unemployment for a few weeks then started my own company. That was my last government assistance and paycheck with someone elses name on it.


Dave, higher taxes on a few , the so called 1% is going to be minimal compared to the millions of Americans getting to work and actually paying taxes.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 11:08 AM
Do we have any english teachers on the board? This sentence structure troubles me.

Awh, blow it out your kittykat butt, sheesh, it was a little foreign slang. ( what the english there )

Fish
11-28-2012, 11:22 AM
Dave, higher taxes on a few , the so called 1% is going to be minimal compared to the millions of Americans getting to work and actually paying taxes.

Are you sure about that? The richest 1% of Americans now own 40% of the nation's wealth(Source (http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/05/top-one-percent-201105)). And those unemployed Americans you're comparing them too are for the most part not currently paying taxes.

It's certainly not as black and white as saying tax the rich and it will fix things. But saying it would be "Minimal" is downright silly.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 12:19 PM
Be more specific, if you will since you do not answer my questions.

You can't hack it and you are blaming Obama for your own failures.

Oh well...the free market isn't for everyone.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 03:15 PM
You can't hack it and you are blaming Obama for your own failures.

Oh well...the free market isn't for everyone.

No, you are acting to know more of what my life and business consist of that than the limited information you may actually know.

Of which is common for you, so none of this surprises me at all.

But let's not let facts get in your way, by all means keep digging that hole.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 03:37 PM
No, you are acting to know more of what my life and business consist of that than the limited information you may actually know.


I can't even see straight anymore.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 04:02 PM
I can't even see straight anymore.

Nice, deflect, deflect.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 04:11 PM
Well since you asked, I was low middle class until Obama got re-elected and now I have dropped to the poor class.

Lack of stable markets and new hires, along with the construction not booming has left this family in some of the toughest times I have ever seen.

Rebound ? Sure, one of these days, I just don't see a rebound for us for another 5 to 6 months.

For what was projected to be a very prosperous 2012 year, Obama has turned that backwards due to the Keystone slowdown & unstable markets.

Blaming Obama for your own failures.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 04:18 PM
Blaming Obama for your own failures.

Nope, still prosperous, just not very prosperous.

Normal, you fail again for not knowing what you were talking about.

Wanna keep guessing more off the wall stuff, I mean, why quit. You are good at throwing stuff out there hoping for it to stick.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 04:40 PM
Nope, still prosperous, just not very prosperous.



Any successes or failures you have are your own.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 06:39 PM
Any successes or failures you have are your own.

Agreed.

But if you think for one moment that government or a / any person can not interfere with another mans good fortune is disingenuous.

As much as it is you, acting like you know my life and finances.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 07:09 PM
Agreed.

But if you think for one moment that government or a / any person can not interfere with another mans good fortune is disingenuous.

As much as it is you, acting like you know my life and finances.

Just going by what you have posted here in this very thread.

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 07:16 PM
Just going by what you have posted here in this very thread.

What you have done was stretch the posting to fit your agenda. Assuming something without all the facts is failure on your part.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 07:20 PM
What you have done was stretch the posting to fit your agenda. Assuming something without all the facts is failure on your part.

Am I still on the clock?

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 07:36 PM
Am I still on the clock?

Deflecting again I see ?

Funny of you to bring that up, you were losing this conversation just as you did the night that lead to that thread.

Still the same Zach, deflect, deflect deflect, you can't answer the simplest questions and still think you know more than anybody or anything.

What would be funny is I should call you my asshole, every time you speak I can say, Look, my asshole is talking. :p

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 07:45 PM
Deflecting again I see ?

Funny of you to bring that up, you were losing this conversation just as you did the night that lead to that thread.

Still the same Zach, deflect, deflect deflect, you can't answer the simplest questions and still think you know more than anybody or anything.

What would be funny is I should call you my asshole, every time you speak I can say, Look, my asshole is talking. :p

My points are made quite clear and backed up by your own words.

You not being able to understand what words mean or how to use them doesn't automatically make you the winner of arguments...it is actually the opposite.

Some people blame their hardships on others because they have a victim mentality while pretending they are conservatives. These threads won't change that. LMAO

ROYC75
11-28-2012, 07:58 PM
My points are made quite clear and backed up by your own words.

You not being able to understand what words mean or how to use them doesn't automatically make you the winner of arguments...it is actually the opposite.

Some people blame their hardships on others because they have a victim mentality while pretending they are conservatives. These threads won't change that. LMAO

What point have you made other than you do not know what you are talking about . But I will say that one point you have made very clear.