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JonesCrusher
11-28-2012, 08:46 AM
Hairdressers, photographers, carpenters... Do small businesses that frequently do cash jobs have any negative economic impact or should they be allowed to perform a service for someone without passing some of it forward?


http://livesafely.org/financial-freedom/67-jobs-that-pay-under-the-table/

Buehler445
11-28-2012, 08:51 AM
It's against the law. If people are willing to evade taxes, it's their call to take that risk.

Dave Lane
11-28-2012, 08:55 AM
If everyone paid all the taxes they legally should the surplus would be so high we really could cut taxes.

Fish
11-28-2012, 09:41 AM
It's hard to get worked up over that, when mega corporations can "Legally" skirt tax laws to the point where they pay little to nothing while profiting billions upon billions. The impact of that is so much greater that something like this seems silly.

Rain Man
11-28-2012, 10:02 AM
Having some people avoid taxes means that other people eventually pay more. If we're going to have taxes, everyone should pay them fairly and tax laws should be enforced.

Oh, and "quarterback of the Broncos" is also a job that is typically paid under the table.

loochy
11-28-2012, 10:13 AM
I got an under the table job once. It was even more fun than normal because of the danger of being caught.

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JonesCrusher
11-28-2012, 10:28 AM
Barter systems are growing also. These seem like tax evasion also but appear to be legal.

https://www.imsbarter.com/

BucEyedPea
11-28-2012, 10:28 AM
'f the govt

patteeu
11-28-2012, 10:29 AM
It's hard to get worked up over that, when mega corporations can "Legally" skirt tax laws to the point where they pay little to nothing while profiting billions upon billions. The impact of that is so much greater that something like this seems silly.

You're comparing legal tax planning with illegal tax evasion and finding the former more offensive?

BucEyedPea
11-28-2012, 10:30 AM
Barter systems are growing also. These seem like tax evasion also but appear to be legal.

https://www.imsbarter.com/

That's how many are surviving in Greece. Black markets grow under socialisms. That's how Iron Curtain countries survived. It's survival instinct—the last way to survive. It's the market having the last say.

HonestChieffan
11-28-2012, 11:04 AM
The issue is confined to republicans. Democrats like paying taxes so they have no incentive to work the underground economy.

JonesCrusher
11-28-2012, 11:15 AM
The issue is confined to republicans. Democrats like paying taxes so they have no incentive to work the underground economy.

Goes without saying. This is how the less wealthy R's can do their part in not building roads and bridges.

Fish
11-28-2012, 11:51 AM
You're comparing legal tax planning with illegal tax evasion and finding the former more offensive?

Yes. That's how bad the system is.

patteeu
11-28-2012, 12:07 PM
Yes. That's how bad the system is.

OK, I guess I can understand it if you're blaming the system. At first, I thought you were blaming the corporations.

Fish
11-28-2012, 12:11 PM
OK, I guess I can understand it if you're blaming the system. At first, I thought you were blaming the corporations.

I despise corporations for many reasons. But regarding taxes, they're only doing what they're legally able to do. My frustration is that they're legally allowed to do it. The entire tax system is busted, and worrying about Joe Carpenter getting paid $50 under the table for a day's wage is way down the list for me.

BWillie
11-28-2012, 12:13 PM
All you ppl on your high horse, please get off. There are so many things that technically are taxed that ppl don't report. When you win $300 at the blackjack table do you include that in your taxes? Part of the attraction of doing odd jobs is not being taxed off out of your ass for doing it.

theelusiveeightrop
11-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Haven't had an "under the table job" since the war in 'Nam.

BIG_DADDY
11-28-2012, 12:26 PM
'f the govt

LMAO

BIG_DADDY
11-28-2012, 12:27 PM
Cash businesses are growing big time in this enviroment. Can't say I blame anyone when the system is this corrupt.

patteeu
11-28-2012, 12:28 PM
I despise corporations for many reasons. But regarding taxes, they're only doing what they're legally able to do. My frustration is that they're legally allowed to do it. The entire tax system is busted, and worrying about Joe Carpenter getting paid $50 under the table for a day's wage is way down the list for me.

OK, I understand. I agree with you that our tax system is busted, but I disagree with you about Joe Carpenter. I think people should pay their fair share of taxes, but I can understand, given our complex and non-transparent tax code, why most people at all levels of income feel like the system is screwing them.

Detoxing
11-28-2012, 01:05 PM
Cash businesses are growing big time in this enviroment. Can't say I blame anyone when the system is this corrupt.

Bottom line is that it's just another way to save more money. Im sure there are thousands of small business' that need to pay under the table or go out of business otherwise.

Bowser
11-28-2012, 01:14 PM
Speaking of..... I have a CPA friend that just did the taxes of a guy that last paid in 2003. Apparently the IRS doesn't find people not paying their taxes for the better part of a decade all that amusing.

JonesCrusher
11-28-2012, 01:17 PM
Bottom line is that it's just another way to save more money. Im sure there are thousands of small business' that need to pay under the table or go out of business otherwise.

So it is just government assistance without all of the messy paperwork?

Detoxing
11-28-2012, 01:19 PM
So it is just government assistance without all of the messy paperwork?

Small business doing what they have to do to stay afloat = Government assistance?

huh?

theelusiveeightrop
11-28-2012, 01:20 PM
Once worked with a CRNA who was part of the IRS is unconstitutional crowd. His wife had an interior design small business. Bragged about not paying income tax for 6 years. IRS finally decided the party was over. He lost his nursing license, she lost the business, and he now cleans fish tanks.

JonesCrusher
11-28-2012, 01:27 PM
Small business doing what they have to do to stay afloat = Government assistance?

huh?

Self-imposed tax exemption to some could be construed as government assistance.

Calcountry
11-28-2012, 02:30 PM
The issue is confined to republicans. Democrats like paying taxes so they have no incentive to work the underground economy.On the table of cliff negotiations, should be one codicil, that specifically targets all of the types of income that Warren buffet enjoys. Call it the Buffet rule. Then watch that whiney Bitch move to Europe.

HonestChieffan
11-28-2012, 03:19 PM
By the time a small business person pays fed, state, FICA its right at 50% of gross in some cases. So the incentive to do some cash business is pretty darn high.

2bikemike
11-28-2012, 05:27 PM
All you ppl on your high horse, please get off. There are so many things that technically are taxed that ppl don't report. When you win $300 at the blackjack table do you include that in your taxes? Part of the attraction of doing odd jobs is not being taxed off out of your ass for doing it.

Well I would think it was in the Govt. best interest not to get worked up over me not claiming my $300 winning in black jack. Because if you are claiming your winnings you certainly can write off your losses which is more likely in the thousands. We should all know by now the House always holds the edge.

cosmo20002
11-28-2012, 08:02 PM
Well I would think it was in the Govt. best interest not to get worked up over me not claiming my $300 winning in black jack. Because if you are claiming your winnings you certainly can write off your losses which is more likely in the thousands. We should all know by now the House always holds the edge.

You can only deduct losses up to the amount of your winnings.

|Zach|
11-28-2012, 08:06 PM
Photography represent!