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petegz28
12-09-2012, 03:03 PM
When you lose the way we did against Cleveland you suddenly find yourself staring at 2-11 and being embarrassed would be an improvement. Today we saw in a nutshell the complete and utter stupidity that Pioli has spent the better part of 4 years putting together.

We bitched about this team early in the season, gave up on them mid-way and now actually root for a loss in hopes for a good draft spot. Unfortunately a new QB, regardless of who it is or how high he is drafted, is not going to help this sorry ass compilation of fail and suck.

Think about the mess Pioli has created in just under 4 years that we now have to clean up in a hurry, somehow.

1. No QB's
2. No WR's...Bowe will walk leaving us with nothing worth a fuck
3. No LT, I expect Albert to walk from this abortion
4. No DE's, Dorsey will walk and TJ still sucks
5. No punter..Colquitt can walk this year
6. No secondary, save flowers
7. 1 RB worth a shit
8. No Center worth a fuck
9. No HC worth a fuck
10. No OC worth a fuck
11. No DC worth a fuck
12. No ST coach worth a fuck
13. No kicker worth a fuck

So as I see it, we need at least 2 QB's, 2 WR's, a center, 2 DE's, 2 CB's, 1-2 Safetys, a HC, an OC, a DC, a ST coach, a kicker, a punter and of course a new GM

/rant off

Count Alex's Losses
12-09-2012, 03:04 PM
it's a pete thread

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2012, 03:05 PM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

Brock
12-09-2012, 03:05 PM
:facepalm:

ArrowheadMagic
12-09-2012, 03:06 PM
What about the refs? Umps? There is no true /rant...... without

something cooler
12-09-2012, 03:07 PM
Just about

KCUnited
12-09-2012, 03:09 PM
:facepalm:

petegz28
12-09-2012, 03:09 PM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

For some reason I am just pissed about this loss. It's not that we lost but it's things like,

Breaston on the bench and we have no WR worth a fuck
An OC that refuses to pass the ball regardless
The TO at the end of the half to only runa fucking draw play


it's just the level of stupidity

-King-
12-09-2012, 03:09 PM
Cool story sis.

crazychiefsfan
12-09-2012, 03:09 PM
Whooo Hooo...closer to the #1 pick

Hog Farmer
12-09-2012, 03:09 PM
When they start throwing to Baldwin it will all turn around.

petegz28
12-09-2012, 03:10 PM
Whooo Hooo...closer to the #1 pick

That ain't going to make much of a difference, unfortunately

the Talking Can
12-09-2012, 03:10 PM
i'm glad you and coogs finally figured things out...

theelusiveeightrop
12-09-2012, 03:11 PM
Trying to decide who is more out of shape: RAC or Baldwin?

FAX
12-09-2012, 03:12 PM
Don't listen to them, Mr. petegz28. I like your thread.

It's better even than Mr. gblowfish's 10 things thread. Yours has 13 things plus some additional, miscellaneous stuff on top of that.

FAX

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:12 PM
That ain't going to make much of a difference, unfortunately

It will make a huge difference.

crazychiefsfan
12-09-2012, 03:12 PM
That ain't going to make much of a difference, unfortunately

#1 Pick KICKS ASS!!!!!

ArrowheadMagic
12-09-2012, 03:14 PM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.


Yes because you never have new teams making the playoffs every year.

Rudy lost the toss
12-09-2012, 03:14 PM
It's funny because Bernie Kosar was right

Prison Bitch
12-09-2012, 03:15 PM
Did people seriously watch this game? For what possible reason? I didn't watch even 5 minutes of it.

petegz28
12-09-2012, 03:15 PM
It will make a huge difference.

How so? There has to be a ton of other shit happen for any pick, #1 or anything else, to be a difference maker.

Right now, if any part of this front office or coaching staff is here come draft time then we might as well trade away our draft pick. Pioli, even if he made the best pick of the draft, will find some way to fuck it up.

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2012, 03:17 PM
Yes because you never have new teams making the playoffs every year.

Starting QB, back-up QB.
Two starting WRs.
A spell HB.
Two or more starting OL.

A new DE/DT to replace Dorsey.
New ILB. Safety. At least one new CB, probably two.

That's eleven picks or free agents.

KC will not contend for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

GloryDayz
12-09-2012, 03:17 PM
Based on the clowns behind the wheel, just because we have a 1st round pick doesn't mean they'll use it well. And it's not a QB-rich class anyway... Ugh!

KCChiefsFan88
12-09-2012, 03:17 PM
Did people seriously watch this game? For what possible reason? I didn't watch even 5 minutes of it.

To ensure the Chiefs don't mess up the chance to get the #1 overall pick further.

Marcellus
12-09-2012, 03:18 PM
Aside from actual death I dont think there is much of anything worse than embarrassment.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:19 PM
How so? There has to be a ton of other shit happen for any pick, #1 or anything else, to be a difference maker.

Right now, if any part of this front office or coaching staff is here come draft time then we might as well trade away our draft pick. Pioli, even if he made the best pick of the draft, will find some way to **** it up.

Of the #1 pick is a QB, anything can happen.

Forget about Pioli and Crennel. They're goners.

Prison Bitch
12-09-2012, 03:20 PM
To ensure the Chiefs don't mess up the chance to get the #1 overall pick further.


Seems like I got the same info, after spending the afternoon walking my dog in the park.

petegz28
12-09-2012, 03:20 PM
Of the #1 pick is a QB, anything can happen.

Forget about Pioli and Crennel. They're goners.

I'm from Missouri

Sure-Oz
12-09-2012, 03:21 PM
it's a pete thread

This....let it out pete

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:21 PM
Starting QB, back-up QB.
Two starting WRs.
A spell HB.
Two or more starting OL.

A new DE/DT to replace Dorsey.
New ILB. Safety. At least one new CB, probably two.

That's eleven picks or free agents.

KC will not contend for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

The offensive line has one starter on IR and a decade vet playing center for the first time ever.

They're top half in the league.

JFC this fanbase overvalues o-line and as a result have no way to evaluate their play.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:22 PM
I'm from Missouri

Whoopity do.

It's the show me state, not the I am impatient so I will whine like a kid state.

Baconeater
12-09-2012, 03:23 PM
I thought today's game went pretty well. :shrug:

ArrowheadMagic
12-09-2012, 03:24 PM
Starting QB, back-up QB.
Two starting WRs.
A spell HB.
Two or more starting OL.

A new DE/DT to replace Dorsey.
New ILB. Safety. At least one new CB, probably two.

That's eleven picks or free agents.

KC will not contend for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

A little dramatic, well a lot.

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2012, 03:25 PM
A little dramatic, well a lot.

Who's on the roster now that's actually a legitimate NFL starter besides DJ, Charles, Tamba, Houston, Bowe, Flowers, and Berry?

MahiMike
12-09-2012, 03:26 PM
For some reason I am just pissed about this loss.

I'm just pissed we won last week.

Bob Dole
12-09-2012, 03:26 PM
Did people seriously watch this game? For what possible reason? I didn't watch even 5 minutes of it.

To take a shot every time KC shoots itself in the foot.

Bob Dole is trashed.

wazu
12-09-2012, 03:27 PM
Colquitt leads the league in punts that pin opponents inside their own 20. But yeah, let's find somebody who doesn't lead the league. That'd make us better.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:33 PM
Who's on the roster now that's actually a legitimate NFL starter besides DJ, Charles, Tamba, Houston, Bowe, Flowers, and Berry?

Wow.

Just wow.

rabblerouser
12-09-2012, 03:33 PM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

I don't think this franchise will EVER get its shit together...

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2012, 03:34 PM
Wow.

Just wow.

Forgot most of the starting OL, my bad. That's still a lack of talent.

-King-
12-09-2012, 03:35 PM
Forgot most of the starting OL, my bad. That's still a lack of talent.

It's a lack of coaching. Blowouts happen because of lack of preparation. This coaching staff would have the Texans at 4-9 right now.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:36 PM
Forgot most of the starting OL, my bad. That's still a lack of talent.

We have significant needs.

Saying having the #1 overall pick will make zero difference is ridiculous all the same.

-King-
12-09-2012, 03:39 PM
We have significant needs.

Saying having the #1 overall pick will make zero difference is ridiculous all the same.

This.

The Redskins and the Colts had/still have significant needs, but adding a franchise QB still made a very big difference.

Bob Dole
12-09-2012, 03:40 PM
It's a lack of coaching. Blowouts happen because of lack of preparation. This coaching staff would have the Texans at 4-9 right now.

Lack of prep.
The complete inability to adjust on the fly.
Lack of understanding of the most basic concepts of game management.
Lack of imagination.
Inability to think critically.

"Not sure what happened. We'll have to look at the tape."

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2012, 03:40 PM
We have significant needs.

Saying having the #1 overall pick will make zero difference is ridiculous all the same.

Never said that. There's a good shot that the #1 will address one of the needs. I'm saying the holes on the team will need 2 or 3 drafts to address.

bevischief
12-09-2012, 03:47 PM
I'm just pissed we won last week.

This.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 03:48 PM
Never said that. There's a good shot that the #1 will address one of the needs. I'm saying the holes on the team will need 2 or 3 drafts to address.

I strongly disagree. A QB goes a long way to fixing the offense and an offense that's even 25% more effective on 3rd down makes the defense that much better.

Not to mention that getting rid of Crennel is worth a couple of wins all by itself.

The sky isn't falling.

BoneKrusher
12-09-2012, 03:49 PM
it's a cluster fuck

FringeNC
12-09-2012, 03:52 PM
It all comes down to luck now. We're going to have a new GM, new coach, and will draft a QB with the first pick in the draft. Chances are there will be a true franchise QB taken in the draft -- but it's not obvious to me who that will be. Just as Pioli's failed tenure was defined by Matt Cassel, the new GM will be defined by that QB selection. He needs to get it right, or he'll fail, too.

PunkinDrublic
12-09-2012, 03:55 PM
Was Moeaki being kept in to block? One meaningless catch wtf?

bevischief
12-09-2012, 03:56 PM
Clean house and get a real qb and see this team turn it around.

King_Chief_Fan
12-09-2012, 03:57 PM
lets start over

send this sorry bunch to LA

KC Tattoo
12-09-2012, 03:57 PM
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo99/Arial86/Tumblr/tumblr_m1m15i0mmu1qhz3hpo1_500.gif

Bob Dole
12-09-2012, 04:01 PM
lets start over

send this sorry bunch to LA

And then what? Wait for some bored billionaire to petition the league for a team in KC for the next 30 years?

bevischief
12-09-2012, 04:02 PM
Send in the midgets.

Discuss Thrower
12-09-2012, 04:02 PM
And then what? Wait for some bored billionaire to petition the league for a team in KC for the next 30 years?

Football won't be recognizable by that point so it might actually be a kindness...

Bob Dole
12-09-2012, 04:03 PM
Send in the midgets.

Might as well.

We already sent in the clowns.

Chocolate Hog
12-09-2012, 04:03 PM
Pete thread....

Otter
12-09-2012, 04:10 PM
We just got the snot kicked out of us by the Cleveland Browns. It wasn't even close. think about that.

TEX
12-09-2012, 04:14 PM
FACT - Pioli inherited a 2-14 team, and 4 years later actually made it worse.

TEX
12-09-2012, 04:17 PM
It all comes down to luck now. We're going to have a new GM, new coach, and will draft a QB with the first pick in the draft. Chances are there will be a true franchise QB taken in the draft -- but it's not obvious to me who that will be. Just as Pioli's failed tenure was defined by Matt Cassel, the new GM will be defined by that QB selection. He needs to get it right, or he'll fail, too.

No way I draft a QB with the # 1 overall pick in this draft. I do everything I can to trade out of the # 1 pick if possible. Just the Chiefs luck that when they FINALLY SUCK bad enough to pick # 1 overall, there is no QB worthy of the selection. Hiring the RIGHT GM and HC is more important IMO.

Marcellus
12-09-2012, 04:21 PM
No way I draft a QB with the # 1 overall pick in this draft. I do everything I can to trade out of the # 1 pick if possible. Just the Chiefs luck that when they FINALLY SUCK bad enough to pick # 1 overall, there is no QB worthy of the selection.

**** no. You draft the QB who you think is best #1 QB and pay the guy that slot $.

This isnt 2 years ago where the #1 pick gets $50MM guaranteed. If you think you have a guy you want drat and pay him. Who cares if you are wrong?

We gave Cassel a $60MM contract and that's not the issue, the issue is we could have cut bait earlier and moved on earlier and didn't.

Messier
12-09-2012, 04:30 PM
FACT - Pioli inherited a 2-14 team, and 4 years later actually made it worse.

I was just thinking today, was it Pioli or Haley that told Waters they could get 22 players off the street and win more that 2 games? If it was Pioli, he's got three games to prove he can do it with his hand picked team.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 04:35 PM
The important thing here is that a True Fan is losing all faith and being raped simulataneously.

alanm
12-09-2012, 04:40 PM
Did people seriously watch this game? For what possible reason? I didn't watch even 5 minutes of it.I fell asleep on the couch when it was 7-7 and missed the rest of the game. heh.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 04:43 PM
I fell asleep on the couch when it was 7-7 and missed NOT A DAMNED THING.

FXD! :evil:

wazu
12-09-2012, 04:43 PM
I fell asleep on the couch when it was 7-7 and missed the rest of the game. heh.

It was never 7-7. Maybe you fell asleep right before Cleveland got held to a field goal and you dreamed they got a TD.

ArrowheadMagic
12-09-2012, 04:45 PM
I strongly disagree. A QB goes a long way to fixing the offense and an offense that's even 25% more effective on 3rd down makes the defense that much better.

Not to mention that getting rid of Crennel is worth a couple of wins all by itself.

The sky isn't falling.

The Colts must need a massive rebuild based off last year. 2010 49ers need a massive rebuild...er wait... they only replaced a coach.

L.A. Chieffan
12-09-2012, 04:46 PM
Browns really aren't a bad team. And they drafted a running back in the first round, maybe we should follow suit.

alanm
12-09-2012, 04:49 PM
It was never 7-7. Maybe you fell asleep right before Cleveland got held to a field goal and you dreamed they got a TD.Well I remember Succop doinking the FG and Cleveland down inside the Chiefs 10 after that. I believe you're right they did kick a FG. ;)

Flachief58
12-09-2012, 04:50 PM
FACT - Pioli inherited a 2-14 team, and 4 years later actually made it worse.

Relax, it's part of the process. Pioli's got this shit

bevischief
12-09-2012, 04:51 PM
Might as well.

We already sent in the clowns.

ROFL

alanm
12-09-2012, 04:51 PM
FXD! :evil:I woke up right at the end just before they switched to the Redskins/Ravens game.

bevischief
12-09-2012, 04:52 PM
The important thing here is that a True Fan is losing all faith and being raped simulataneously.

The 400 pound man has been busy lately...

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 04:53 PM
Browns really aren't a bad team. And they drafted a running back in the first round, maybe we should follow suit.

TrollololololololololololLMAO

Seriously, who'd Mult is this? It's getting kind of old...

Bump
12-09-2012, 04:55 PM
No way I draft a QB with the # 1 overall pick in this draft. I do everything I can to trade out of the # 1 pick if possible. Just the Chiefs luck that when they FINALLY SUCK bad enough to pick # 1 overall, there is no QB worthy of the selection. Hiring the RIGHT GM and HC is more important IMO.

it's dumbass thinking like that, that gets us no where. Why are you so scared to draft a QB? Geno is most certainly worth the #1 pick. WVU isn't all that great, but he is and whoever gets him will be glad they did.

That's the one thing that's been holding us back, but you would rather draft a fucking lineman. JFC

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2012, 04:57 PM
3 losses till Chocolate Painii. All is good.

RippedmyFlesh
12-09-2012, 05:00 PM
The important thing here is that a True Fan is losing all faith and being raped simulataneously.
1 week and back to reality.

Brock
12-09-2012, 05:02 PM
No way I draft a QB with the # 1 overall pick in this draft. I do everything I can to trade out of the # 1 pick if possible. Just the Chiefs luck that when they FINALLY SUCK bad enough to pick # 1 overall, there is no QB worthy of the selection. Hiring the RIGHT GM and HC is more important IMO.

Embarrassingly stupid.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2012, 05:04 PM
No QBs worth selecting....except that there actually is and we only need 1 to be awesome and the rest need to suck ass. Just got to grab the right one...the chocolatey one.

OnTheWarpath58
12-09-2012, 05:07 PM
You want embarrassing?

Wait until April when we have a Top 3 pick and don't take a QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 05:14 PM
You want embarrassing?

Wait until April when we have a Top 3 pick and don't take a QB.

At that point, all of the paraphanelia comes off the car, the jerseys go in the closet, and my ass is DONE.

scho63
12-09-2012, 05:20 PM
Don't listen to them, Mr. petegz28. I like your thread.

It's better even than Mr. gblowfish's 10 things thread. Yours has 13 things plus some additional, miscellaneous stuff on top of that.

FAX

:$2500:

You sir are a slimy newt!

bevischief
12-09-2012, 05:28 PM
You want embarrassing?

Wait until April when we have a Top 3 pick and don't take a QB.

And we take another midget.

FAX
12-09-2012, 05:37 PM
You know, one of the things that concerns me (among the multitude of fears and woes) is the fact that Len Dawson doesn't speak publicly about how totally screwed up this team has become. It isn't that it's not completely obvious and he is occasionally critical during the games. But here's a guy who, along with Nick Buoniconti, used to host the biggest NFL-centric program on television and presumably has a pretty good grasp of the game and what is needed to win. Yet, he stands in the background for the most part and allows these imbeciles to destroy the franchise step by dreadful step.

Of all the people who have come and gone over the years, Lenny owes it to the fans to be honest and up-front ... and public. I guess he's just collecting his paycheck like everybody else, but that isn't how he played the game.

FAX

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 05:45 PM
No way I draft a QB with the # 1 overall pick in this draft. I do everything I can to trade out of the # 1 pick if possible. Just the Chiefs luck that when they FINALLY SUCK bad enough to pick # 1 overall, there is no QB worthy of the selection. Hiring the RIGHT GM and HC is more important IMO.

Thank God for small miracles. Like the one that you are not the GM of the Chiefs.

Get fucking real man. Oh my god there isn't a Luck this year or there isn't an RG3 this year. There generally isn't one of those types in the draft every year. Those 2 types only come around once every decade or 2. Smith/Wilson are just as good as Stafford/Bradford or most other years at the QB position.
The only acceptable reason for not coming out of this draft without one of those 2 is draft position and the teams above us won't trade out.

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 05:48 PM
You want embarrassing?

Wait until April when we have a Top 3 pick and don't take a QB.

At that point, all of the paraphanelia comes off the car, the jerseys go in the closet, and my ass is DONE.

So Wilson and Smith are gone you are setting there at #3. Are you really going to draft Barkley?

OnTheWarpath58
12-09-2012, 05:48 PM
Thank God for small miracles. Like the one that you are not the GM of the Chiefs.

Get fucking real man. Oh my god there isn't a Luck this year or there isn't an RG3 this year. There generally isn't one of those types in the draft every year. Those 2 types only come around once every decade or 2. Smith/Wilson are just as good as Stafford/Bradford or most other years at the QB position.
The only acceptable reason for not coming out of this draft without one of those 2 is draft position and the teams above us won't trade out.

There wasn't a RGIII in the draft this time last year. People still considered him a late R1 or early R2 pick.

I'll agree that there's not a Luck-like prospect in this draft, but the depth in this draft at the QB position is as solid as it's been in years. Several of these guys have a chance to be successful.

WildTurkey
12-09-2012, 05:50 PM
There wasn't a RGIII in the draft this time last year. People still considered him a late R1 or early R2 pick.

I'll agree that there's not a Luck-like prospect in this draft, but the depth in this draft at the QB position is as solid as it's been in years. Several of these guys have a chance to be successful.

This. Lots of potential in this draft

Rain Man
12-09-2012, 05:52 PM
I'm numb to the losses now, and there's an advantage to losing. However, getting blown out by Cleveland really stinks. As important as a quarterback is, losing to Cleveland by four scores implies that we're more than a quarterback away.

notorious
12-09-2012, 05:53 PM
It's not embarrassing if I don't give a fuck anymore.

Iowanian
12-09-2012, 05:54 PM
I see it differently.

As plugged up with concrete turds as this team is, Clark Hunt will have no choice but to give it an enema.

So, alter your expectations, accept that this team is as bad as it has ever been and around a month from now, Clark is going to have his herald trumpeters play the brown noise.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 05:55 PM
You know, one of the things that concerns me (among the multitude of fears and woes) is the fact that Len Dawson doesn't speak publicly about how totally screwed up this team has become. It isn't that it's not completely obvious and he is occasionally critical during the games. But here's a guy who, along with Nick Buoniconti, used to host the biggest NFL-centric program on television and presumably has a pretty good grasp of the game and what is needed to win. Yet, he stands in the background for the most part and allows these imbeciles to destroy the franchise step by dreadful step.

Of all the people who have come and gone over the years, Lenny owes it to the fans to be honest and up-front ... and public. I guess he's just collecting his paycheck like everybody else, but that isn't how he played the game.

FAX

I just had a warm, fuzzy, Inside The NFL-flashback.

Rep.

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 05:57 PM
There wasn't a RGIII in the draft this time last year. People still considered him a late R1 or early R2 pick.

I'll agree that there's not a Luck-like prospect in this draft, but the depth in this draft at the QB position is as solid as it's been in years. Several of these guys have a chance to be successful.

I have been seeing this statement a lot lately. I think it is incorrect. RG3 was a finalists for the Heisman last year.
As I recall there was a lot of talk about him. No not like there was after the combine and interviews. But there was a lot of chatter because of the season that he had.

bevischief
12-09-2012, 05:59 PM
Draft another midget...

Baby Lee
12-09-2012, 06:02 PM
There wasn't a RGIII in the draft this time last year. People still considered him a late R1 or early R2 pick.

I'll agree that there's not a Luck-like prospect in this draft, but the depth in this draft at the QB position is as solid as it's been in years. Several of these guys have a chance to be successful.

I have been seeing this statement a lot lately. I think it is incorrect. RG3 was a finalists for the Heisman last year.
As I recall there was a lot of talk about him. No not like there was after the combine and interviews. But there was a lot of chatter because of the season that he had.

I concur with the latter. Talk was even whether he'd go over Luck. Consensus was he wouldn't, but that was just because Luck was phenomenal. RGIII was widely respected and his stint in the NFL was highly anticipated. Not just athletic and accurate but mature and intelligent as well.

Don't know the EXACT timeline, but well over a just year sounds right.

Saleenman607
12-09-2012, 06:38 PM
To the OP.......

#14 Worthless, silent and tight fisted owner.


Please sell the team to someone who cares.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 07:49 PM
I have been seeing this statement a lot lately. I think it is incorrect. RG3 was a finalists for the Heisman last year.
As I recall there was a lot of talk about him. No not like there was after the combine and interviews. But there was a lot of chatter because of the season that he had.

Until about mid-February (maybe early March) the consensus on RG3 was the "can he take snaps from under center in the NfL" standard spread QB conversation...

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 07:51 PM
So Wilson and Smith are gone you are setting there at #3. Are you really going to draft Barkley?

Yep. And not think twice about it.

This is a new era, the CBA is too conducive to taking a QB every year until you find one.

Messier
12-09-2012, 07:54 PM
Yep. And not think twice about it.

This is a new era, the CBA is too conducive to taking a QB every year until you find one.

No. I know we neeeeeeed a QB, but let's not take a late 1st, early 2nd round QB 3rd overall. If the first two QBs are gone, either take the next best one in the 2nd, or, sadly, we wait another year for the QBOF.

milkman
12-09-2012, 08:03 PM
There wasn't a RGIII in the draft this time last year. People still considered him a late R1 or early R2 pick.

I'll agree that there's not a Luck-like prospect in this draft, but the depth in this draft at the QB position is as solid as it's been in years. Several of these guys have a chance to be successful.

I'm going to repost something I posted a couple of weeks ago to follow up on your post here.

I am really amazed at the stupidity here.

In 2011, the first 3 QBs taken were Cam Newton, Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert.

In 2010, the first 3 QBs taken were Sam Bradford, Tim TeBow and Jimmy Clausen.

In 2009, the first 3 QBs taken were Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman.

In 2008, the first 3 QBs taken were Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco and Brian Brohm.

And you think this is a down year for QBs.

Last year's draft was an anomaly.

This is a superior top 3 than any of those listed above.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 08:10 PM
No. I know we neeeeeeed a QB, but let's not take a late 1st, early 2nd round QB 3rd overall. If the first two QBs are gone, either take the next best one in the 2nd, or, sadly, we wait another year for the QBOF.

With the current CBA, a team should use their first pick on a QB every year until they find one.

Baby Lee
12-09-2012, 08:16 PM
With the current CBA, a team should use their first pick on a QB every year until they find one.

I think that's slight overstatement, particularly if you're a top five picker and 2 QBs are already gone.

Draft every QB you are fairly convinced has the goods and is at least on the block of BPA? Sure.

Draft a QB because even blind squirrels can find nuts. Not so much, particularly if clearly superior is still available.

LiveSteam
12-09-2012, 08:25 PM
Its Botarded
I wont even waist the electricity that it takes to run my TV to watch it. Im that done

ROYC75
12-09-2012, 08:32 PM
Never said that. There's a good shot that the #1 will address one of the needs. I'm saying the holes on the team will need 2 or 3 drafts to address.

Having the # 1 pick and then the top of each round should bring in the best talent we have ever seen. But that depends on the person and people in charge of the draft.

Picking up a few good players in the FA signing period and keeping what good players we have now , plus with a new staff, will be head and shoulders the # of wins we have this year, a few breaks could be pivotal to a possible play off venture. Give them a year of building team chemistry and you are looking at playoffs in year 2 after the 2014 draft.

Count Alex's Losses
12-09-2012, 08:40 PM
With the current CBA, a team should use their first pick on a QB every year until they find one.

You can't do that if you just got done picking a QB, though. You have to use that pick to support him.

SNR
12-09-2012, 08:47 PM
How so? There has to be a ton of other shit happen for any pick, #1 or anything else, to be a difference maker.

Right now, if any part of this front office or coaching staff is here come draft time then we might as well trade away our draft pick. Pioli, even if he made the best pick of the draft, will find some way to fuck it up.

That ton of other shit is called Dwayne Bowe and a pretty good offensive line you fucking idiot.

Rausch
12-09-2012, 08:54 PM
With the current CBA, a team should use their first pick on a QB every year until they find one.

Complete agreement.

With rule changes and the new CBA it doesn't matter if you have 11 probowlers if none of them are at QB...

SNR
12-09-2012, 08:54 PM
So Wilson and Smith are gone you are setting there at #3. Are you really going to draft Barkley?
Passing on a QB isn't going to make the talent any better when we pick again.

If Barkley is the best of the remaining QBs, then he's our pick. End of fucking story.

ROYC75
12-09-2012, 08:56 PM
Passing on a QB isn't going to make the talent any better when we pick again.

If Barkley is the best of the remaining QBs, then he's our pick. End of ****ing story.

No way, another Cassel

Wanting Barkley is claiming you are a Casselite.

|Zach|
12-09-2012, 09:02 PM
How could this game even conjure any kind of emotion.

Nothing was learned here.

It has been like this all year. Did Pete think they were not going to be horrible or something?

milkman
12-09-2012, 09:11 PM
How could this game even conjure any kind of emotion.

Nothing was learned here.

It has been like this all year. Did Pete think they were not going to be horrible or something?

I think we all understand that Pete is just a little slow on the uptake.

Rausch
12-09-2012, 09:12 PM
I think we all understand that Pete is just a little slow on the uptake.

LMAO

RunKC
12-09-2012, 09:16 PM
If Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith are gone, we had better draft Tyler Bray. He is EASILY the 3rd best QB in the draft.

Bray even has the potential to be the best QB in the class if he shows how smart he is in February.

DeezNutz
12-09-2012, 09:23 PM
If Tyler Wilson and Geno Smith are gone, we had better draft Tyler Bray. He is EASILY the 3rd best QB in the draft.

Bray even has the potential to be the best QB in the class if he shows how smart he is in February.

Bray has to declare first, which is possible given the clusterfuck at TN right now.

petegz28
12-09-2012, 09:36 PM
That ton of other shit is called Dwayne Bowe and a pretty good offensive line you ****ing idiot.

No, you fucking retarded prick, the ton of shit is a coaching staff and GM along with the lack of depth, along with players like Bowe, Albert, Dorsey, Colquitt and Breaston most likely not being here next year

SNR
12-09-2012, 09:37 PM
No, you fucking retarded prick, the ton of shit is a coaching staff and GM along with the lack of depth, along with players like Bowe, Albert, Dorsey, Colquitt and Breaston most likely not being here next year

So hire a coaching staff and GM.

ONE YEAR. NEW GM, COACH, AND QB. DONEZO.

FAX
12-09-2012, 09:38 PM
How could this game even conjure any kind of emotion.

Nothing was learned here.

It has been like this all year. Did Pete think they were not going to be horrible or something?

It. Was. The. Browns.

FAX

SNR
12-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Geno Smith should be a new Ronco product.

JUST DRAFT IT AND FORGET IT

Rausch
12-09-2012, 09:39 PM
So hire a coaching staff and GM.

ONE YEAR. NEW GM, COACH, AND QB. DONEZO.

ONE GOOD OFFSEASON can completely change a team.

It can be done - it has been done - but it requires COMPETENCY...

Rausch
12-09-2012, 09:40 PM
It. Was. The. Browns.

FAX

And it wasn't even close...

petegz28
12-09-2012, 09:40 PM
So hire a coaching staff and GM.

ONE YEAR. NEW GM, COACH, AND QB. DONEZO.

You left off, OC, DC, new #1 WR, LT, DE and some depth. Might as well throw in a #2 WR as well.

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 09:42 PM
Passing on a QB isn't going to make the talent any better when we pick again.

If Barkley is the best of the remaining QBs, then he's our pick. End of ****ing story.

Not for me. I want no part of Barkley. I think after Wilson/Smith the next level of talent at QB is Bray, Murray, Glennon in this draft. I am not taking those guy at #3 when one of those will be available at the top of the 2cd.

DeezNutz
12-09-2012, 09:43 PM
12 seconds? TD. Remaining 59 minutes and 48 seconds? Nothing.

Pioli's roster exhibited NFL premature ejaculation and couldn't ever get it back up.

SNR
12-09-2012, 09:45 PM
You left off, OC, DC, new #1 WR, LT, DE and some depth. Might as well throw in a #2 WR as well.

IT DOESN'T TAKE MULTIPLE SEASONS TO HIRE A GM AND COACHING STAFF. IT TAKES ONE FUCKING WEEK.

As for the others:

WR1: Re-sign Bowe with all that money
LT: Re-sign Albert with all that money
DE: Draft someone with picks 2-7
Depth: Draft/free agency

All that matters is that a new system comes in and drafts Geno. If that happens and they're good at their jobs, and Bowe and Albert both get new contracts, we're gold.

That of course means we hire competent people. But that's ALWAYS the risk when you hire new people.

SNR
12-09-2012, 09:47 PM
Not for me. I want no part of Barkley. I think after Wilson/Smith the next level of talent at QB is Bray, Murray, Glennon in this draft. I am not taking those guy at #3 when one of those will be available at the top of the 2cd.

If Bray is the #3, you take Bray at #3 overall.

Rausch
12-09-2012, 09:50 PM
If Bray is the #3, you take Bray at #3 overall.

Yup.

I don't give a $#it about draft value or projected slotting.

When it comes to QB we need one. Get one...

petegz28
12-09-2012, 09:51 PM
Yup.

I don't give a $#it about draft value or projected slotting.

When it comes to QB we need one. Get one...

I think I'd take Bray over all of them, personally.

Chiefnj2
12-09-2012, 09:56 PM
There's little doubt that University of Tennessee junior quarterback Tyler Bray has the physical skills to have a productive National Football League career.

At 6-6, 215 pounds, he has one of the strongest arms in college football. And no one has disputed his courage in playing hurt.

But what can be called into question - once again - is his lack of judgment and a tendency for his focus to wander at the worst of times.

It's happened several times off the field, twice this past summer when Bray and a friend vandalized two cars at an apartment complex where he was living by throwing beer bottles and golf balls from a balcony.

He was also ticketed for recklessly operating a jet ski on July 4.

College athletes - no, make that mostly college football players - sometimes have a tendency to think they are bulletproof, maybe because of the physical nature of the sport and the perceived Big Man on Campus status.

A few players think they aren't subject to laws, rules or using common sense.

Bray's latest brain cramp came after the Vols' 41-31 loss at Mississippi State last Saturday to fall to 3-3 overall and 0-3 in the Southeastern Conference. Upset by criticism on Twitter, Bray tweeted: "We got some bandwagon fans. Hopefully my apt. isn't egged."

One of Bray's friends, Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray, found his house egged and rolled a couple of weeks ago after the Bulldogs lost to South Carolina. Murray also discovered that day that his father was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. But a poised Murray never took a shot back at the fans in any form of media.

Bray deleted his tweet and issued a Twitter apology on Sunday, saying he was frustrated by the loss and added publicly on Tuesday that "it's been two weeks in a row we could have won, and I was just frustrated."

Tennessee third-year coach Derek Dooley, as he has with Bray's other incidents, gave his only viable quarterback the benefit of the doubt.

"It is classic impulse control, when you are angry, lonely, tired, hurt," Dooley said of Bray's tweet. "It could have been a good tweet if he had left out the first part. He should have just said, 'I hope my house doesn't get egged tonight.' It could have been kind of funny."

What's not funny is the lack of maturity in a 21-year-old who has started 18 college games as a quarterback, who still reacts with thin skin and who has a head coach who basically dismisses it.

It shouldn't be a big deal. But little things add up when you're losing and can't stop.

Quarterbacks are supposed to be leaders, supposed to set the example on and off the field. If a quarterback can't keep focus and discipline off the field in the offseason, or after a tough loss, can his teammates count on him when games are on the line?

Apparently not, since Bray is 4-6 in 10 career starts in SEC games. In the fourth quarter of those league contests, he has completed just 45 percent of his passes - 40-of-89 - for 489 yards, four interceptions and three TDs while being sacked four times.

Bray has lost six of his last seven SEC starts. This season, he has completed just 9-of-27 passes for 120 yards, two interceptions and lost a fumble in the fourth quarters of losses to Florida, Georgia and Mississippi State.

But it's all great with Dooley, because it has to be. He doesn't have another QB with Bray's raw skills, and Dooley, with a 4-15 career record in SEC play and 0-13 vs. ranked teams, needs every win he can get to save his job.

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 09:57 PM
IT DOESN'T TAKE MULTIPLE SEASONS TO HIRE A GM AND COACHING STAFF. IT TAKES ONE ****ING WEEK.

As for the others:

WR1: Re-sign Bowe with all that money
LT: Re-sign Albert with all that money
DE: Draft someone with picks 2-7
Depth: Draft/free agency

All that matters is that a new system comes in and drafts Geno. If that happens and they're good at their jobs, and Bowe and Albert both get new contracts, we're gold.

That of course means we hire competent people. But that's ALWAYS the risk when you hire new people.
We also can use the tag on Bowe again or on Albert if needed.

If Bray is the #3, you take Bray at #3 overall.

No way that would be simply retarded and a knee jerk type of reaction to our problem. The kid is no where near ready to start. He will only come out early because of the coaching change.

Rausch
12-09-2012, 10:00 PM
No way that would be simply retarded and a knee jerk type of reaction to our problem. The kid is no where near ready to start. He will only come out early because of the coaching change.

There is no sitting and waiting as a 1st round pick anymore.

The same was said about how many QB's the last two years?...

Baby Lee
12-09-2012, 10:05 PM
ONE GOOD OFFSEASON can completely change a team.

It can be done - it has been done - but it requires COMPETENCY...

Soooo, no comprehension of English? :)

Rausch
12-09-2012, 10:07 PM
Soooo, no comprehension of English? :)

Whut?

Baby Lee
12-09-2012, 10:11 PM
Whut?

Competency, a Herm Edwards heologism if ever I heard. Just funnin'

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 10:14 PM
There is no sitting and waiting as a 1st round pick anymore.

The same was said about how many QB's the last two years?...

Locker, Ponder, Gabbert. They aren't doing very well either.

Rausch
12-09-2012, 10:23 PM
Competency, a Herm Edwards heologism if ever I heard. Just funnin'

Heh, yeah.





















Whut?

|Zach|
12-09-2012, 10:33 PM
It. Was. The. Browns.

FAX

We are the Chiefs.

If someone doesn't know exactly what that means right now then LMAO

SNR
12-09-2012, 10:41 PM
We also can use the tag on Bowe again or on Albert if needed.



No way that would be simply retarded and a knee jerk type of reaction to our problem. The kid is no where near ready to start. He will only come out early because of the coaching change.

If the Chiefs had the #1 overall pick and Bray were the best QB in the draft, would you still pass on him?

O.city
12-09-2012, 10:51 PM
I'm just ready for the front office to be gone. I'm tired of hoping for bad things and not being able to cheer for my favorite franchise.

FAX
12-09-2012, 10:56 PM
We are the Chiefs.

If someone doesn't know exactly what that means right now then LMAO

They. Scored. 30.

FAX

|Zach|
12-09-2012, 10:59 PM
They. Scored. 30.

FAX

So what you are saying is...

today surprised you?

FAX
12-09-2012, 11:05 PM
So what you are saying is...

today surprised you?

A little, yes.

As I've often said, hope springs eternal in the heart of a Chiefs fan. In that respect, I was hoping we wouldn't flat out embarrass ourselves again.

Honestly, I thought that, performance-wise, we had hit rock-bottom earlier in the year. Games like this make me realize that there may well be no end to our ineptness. That's why it's still painfully sad.

It's like watching a deformed, drunken, Chinese midget girl dance on stage. You kinda know what to expect, but still ... I mean, damn.

FAX

JCharles1981
12-09-2012, 11:08 PM
When you lose the way we did against Cleveland you suddenly find yourself staring at 2-11 and being embarrassed would be an improvement. Today we saw in a nutshell the complete and utter stupidity that Pioli has spent the better part of 4 years putting together.

We bitched about this team early in the season, gave up on them mid-way and now actually root for a loss in hopes for a good draft spot. Unfortunately a new QB, regardless of who it is or how high he is drafted, is not going to help this sorry ass compilation of fail and suck.

Think about the mess Pioli has created in just under 4 years that we now have to clean up in a hurry, somehow.

1. No QB's
2. No WR's...Bowe will walk leaving us with nothing worth a ****
3. No LT, I expect Albert to walk from this abortion
4. No DE's, Dorsey will walk and TJ still sucks
5. No punter..Colquitt can walk this year
6. No secondary, save flowers
7. 1 RB worth a shit
8. No Center worth a ****
9. No HC worth a ****
10. No OC worth a ****
11. No DC worth a ****
12. No ST coach worth a ****
13. No kicker worth a ****

So as I see it, we need at least 2 QB's, 2 WR's, a center, 2 DE's, 2 CB's, 1-2 Safetys, a HC, an OC, a DC, a ST coach, a kicker, a punter and of course a new GM

/rant off

You're an idiot if you think we have no defense. The defense would do a better job if they didn't have to keep going back out on the field because the offense doesn't want to quit doing multiple 3 and outs.

J Diddy
12-09-2012, 11:09 PM
I'll be honest. I saw cousins tonight and was pissed we didn't draft him and I'd throw a 2nd round pick his way b/c he's better than gino or barkley

RunKC
12-09-2012, 11:09 PM
A little, yes.

As I've often said, hope springs eternal in the heart of a Chiefs fan. In that respect, I was hoping we wouldn't flat out embarrass ourselves again.

Honestly, I thought that, performance-wise, we had hit rock-bottom earlier in the year. Games like this make me realize that there may well be no end to our ineptness. That's why it's still painfully sad.

It's like watching a deformed, drunken, Chinese midget girl dance on stage. You kinda know what to expect, but still ... I mean, damn.

FAX

Hope is a powerful thing FAX. I "hope" we can regain our hope by selecting the right QB in April.

Reerun_KC
12-09-2012, 11:11 PM
You're an idiot if you think we have no defense. The defense would do a better job if they didn't have to keep going back out on the field because the offense doesn't want to quit doing multiple 3 and outs.

That and eliminate Crennel from this team will help...

Crennels defense in KC has been laughable at best...

I still hate him from the playoff game... He got his shit pushed in his fat ass and it hasnt stopped... Dude gets raped each and every weekend....

SNR
12-09-2012, 11:15 PM
Chiefs go 2-11.

Pete attributes partial blame to Succop and Colquitt.

Wow.

Chief Roundup
12-09-2012, 11:33 PM
If the Chiefs had the #1 overall pick and Bray were the best QB in the draft, would you still pass on him?

That is not the situation so it doesn't really matter. But if Bray was qualified to be a true #1 prospect then sure I would. But he is not. I do not want to take a 2cd or 3rd round prospect that needs a lot of work and time at the top of the draft. It is just ridiculous. A good GM would find a way to get the next guy without having to reach that far for the talent.
I would rather do what the skins did to get RG3 than to reach that bad for a guy that very likely would not be the day one starter. Just because he was drafted #1 or #3 overall doesn't qualify him. So if he can't or shouldn't be starting then what, we are stuck with Quinn or some other vet starting again while having an investment in a guy that is going to have to hold the clipboard for a year.

JCharles1981
12-09-2012, 11:39 PM
That and eliminate Crennel from this team will help...

Crennels defense in KC has been laughable at best...

I still hate him from the playoff game... He got his shit pushed in his fat ass and it hasnt stopped... Dude gets raped each and every weekend....

Crennel's defense isn't actually all that bad compared to the sluggish job Greg Robinson did with them early last decade. By the way, I wonder what Crennel had to say about the former team he coached beating the pants off the Chiefs today.

DJ's left nut
12-10-2012, 12:00 AM
So Wilson and Smith are gone you are setting there at #3. Are you really going to draft Barkley?

There I'd probably trade back to the 11th/12th overall and take Bray.

Saccopoo
12-10-2012, 01:31 AM
I'll be honest. I saw cousins tonight and was pissed we didn't draft him and I'd throw a 2nd round pick his way b/c he's better than gino or barkley

Are you fucking high?

Better than Geno?

If Ghandi was a quarterback, he wouldn't be better than Geno.

Fuck you.

SNR
12-10-2012, 01:36 AM
Cousins = Stanzi.

Stanzi = Cousins.

Get that through your tiny brains. He's a shitty Big 10 QB from a run first offense with a barely adequate pro arm.

Sorter
12-10-2012, 01:36 AM
I'll be honest. I saw cousins tonight and was pissed we didn't draft him and I'd throw a 2nd round pick his way b/c he's better than gino or barkley

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbg6lgKbTc1qgw3f6o1_400.gif

KC Tattoo
12-10-2012, 01:41 AM
I'll be honest. I saw cousins tonight and was pissed we didn't draft him and I'd throw a 2nd round pick his way b/c he's better than gino or barkley

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e323/HylianTom/Mel%20Brooks%20Gifs/slap.gif

Sorter
12-10-2012, 01:42 AM
I'll be honest. I saw cousins tonight and was pissed we didn't draft him and I'd throw a 2nd round pick his way b/c he's better than gino or barkley

Continuing with the bitch-slap theme.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me6n4nSpxe1qcg93qo1_500.gif

FAX
12-10-2012, 01:43 AM
Gandhi could read defenses alright, but his footwork was terrible and he couldn't hit the deep out worth a damn.

FAX

Sorter
12-10-2012, 01:45 AM
Gandhi could read defenses alright, but his footwork was terrible and he couldn't hit the deep out worth a damn.

FAX

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UukAibkhaOg/Tf-gaJ8FzwI/AAAAAAAAAMc/J35kmfvoXXo/s1600/xl.jpg

This Gandhi?

TEX
12-10-2012, 01:52 AM
So hire a coaching staff and GM.

ONE YEAR. NEW GM, COACH, AND QB. DONEZO.

Yep. See the 2012 Colts.

WhiteWhale
12-10-2012, 06:26 AM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

Just like the Colts were 'the worst team in football' last year even though they had 2 surefire HOFers on the roster.

When you have bad coaching and terrible QB play, it can undermine everything the rest of the team works for.

You're an idiot if you think we have no defense. The defense would do a better job if they didn't have to keep going back out on the field because the offense doesn't want to quit doing multiple 3 and outs.

Don't forget we average about 3 turnovers per game. That can make a defense's job pretty much impossible. If your offense turns it over 3X a game, your D is gonna give up 25+ points per game. It's kinda amazing to me that people don't seem to consider this a factor in the number of points the team gives up.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 07:34 AM
http://youtu.be/bsEbRzR2hfQ



Brady Quinn hits ref in the head lol. Sorry too lazy to embed.

InChiefsHell
12-10-2012, 07:58 AM
http://youtu.be/bsEbRzR2hfQ



Brady Quinn hits ref in the head lol. Sorry too lazy to embed.

ROFL That's almost as good as Matt's Hail Mary Doink off the crossbar a few years ago...wait...wasn't that against Cleveland too?

KC Tattoo
12-10-2012, 08:05 AM
http://youtu.be/bsEbRzR2hfQ



Brady Quinn hits ref in the head lol. Sorry too lazy to embed.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/bsEbRzR2hfQ?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

bevischief
12-10-2012, 08:15 AM
http://youtu.be/bsEbRzR2hfQ



Brady Quinn hits ref in the head lol. Sorry too lazy to embed.

I was wondering when someone was going to post this...

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 08:51 AM
Locker, Ponder, Gabbert. They aren't doing very well either.

And the Jags will replace Gabbert in the draft.

They will have drafted TWO 1st-round QBs in ONE TENTH THE TIME WE'VE DRAFTED ONE.

notorious
12-10-2012, 08:52 AM
And the Jags will replace Gabbert in the draft.

They will have drafted TWO 1st-round QBs in ONE TENTH THE TIME WE'VE DRAFTED ONE.

You see! It's too risky. The Jags have done what you guys are pining for and they are horrible. /truefan

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 08:56 AM
No way, another Cassel

Wanting Barkley is claiming you are a Casselite.

There's simply NO WAY you can objectively say that, at least not at this point.

Barkley started 4 YEARS at USC. Matt Cassel started 4 QUARTERS...

At a position OTHER THAN QB.

ndws
12-10-2012, 08:57 AM
it's a Mccluster ****

Fixed it for ya

TEX
12-10-2012, 08:58 AM
You see! It's too risky. The Jags have done what you guys are pining for and they are horrible. /truefan

It's not as risky as it once was with the new collective bargaining agreement. In fact - there has never been a "safer" time to draft a BUST at # 1.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 08:59 AM
I'll be honest. I saw cousins tonight and was pissed we didn't draft him and I'd throw a 2nd round pick his way b/c he's better than gino or barkley

ROFL

Wait, lemme...well...

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

notorious
12-10-2012, 09:00 AM
You see! It's too risky. The Jags have done what you guys are pining for and they are horrible. /truefan

It's not as risky as it once was with the new collective bargaining agreement. In fact - there has never been a "safer" time to draft a BUST at # 1.

My sarcasm producer runs at 110% Monday morning.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 09:01 AM
Cousins = Stanzi.

Stanzi = Cousins.

Get that through your tiny brains. He's a shitty Big 10 QB from a run first offense with a barely adequate pro arm.

Stanzi has a better arm. Period. Cousins is a little "safer" with his decision making.

Both of them are SEVERELY LIMITED in terms of NFL potential.

If Stanzi were in Washington, with MIKE SHANAHAN, he'd look like Cousins too.

The offense Stanzi ran in college is almost identical to Shanahan's. Zone blocking, cut the field in half, run the ball and playaction...

TEX
12-10-2012, 09:01 AM
My sarcasm producer runs at 110% Monday morning.

Gotcha. Mine runs the other way, but I make up for it come mid week.

Flachief58
12-10-2012, 09:04 AM
It's not as risky as it once was with the new collective bargaining agreement. In fact - there has never been a "safer" time to draft a BUST at # 1.

This. I don't get why the talking heads can't grasp that. QB is this teams biggest (but not only)weakness by far and has to be addressed early in the draft. We may not get a once in a decade guy but we can get a very good one. If not, draft another one in 2 years

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 09:07 AM
This. I don't get why the talking heads can't grasp that. QB is this teams biggest (but not only)weakness by far and has to be addressed early in the draft. We may not get a once in a decade guy but we can get a very good one. If not, draft another one in 2 years

Exactly.

That's the GREAT thing about how much the game revolves around the QB.

Picking the wrong QB doesn't get you mediocrity, it gets you another top 5 pick (see Jax).

If we take the wrong guy now, we'll be right back in this spot 2 years from now and can take someone else.

Keep trying until you get it right.

FAX
12-10-2012, 09:21 AM
I'm beginning to lean toward an all-QB draft. We pick quarterbacks in every freaking round, let them battle it out for roster slots, and trade the ones who don't make the cut.

FAX

InChiefsHell
12-10-2012, 10:39 AM
I'm beginning to lean toward an all-QB draft. We pick quarterbacks in every freaking round, let them battle it out for roster slots, and trade the ones who don't make the cut.

FAX

In all seriousness, I'd love it if we drafted like 3 QB's. Let em all fight it out. Can't do any worse...

mcaj22
12-10-2012, 10:41 AM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

even if you get a QB in the first round we will still need to put talent around him. 1 good RB wont cut it and holy shit the defense has more holes now than when Pioli got here four years ago

MLB2
CB2
FS
DE
and
DE

not to mention CB depth, Safety depth, MLBer depth, and D-line depth. We need all of that. Because everything thats there now is dog trash and that is obvious

Chief Faithful
12-10-2012, 11:03 AM
You want embarrassing?

Wait until April when we have a Top 3 pick and don't take a QB.

That sir, is my single greatest fear as a Chiefs fan.

Dicky McElephant
12-10-2012, 11:05 AM
And the Jags will replace Gabbert in the draft.

They will have drafted TWO 1st-round QBs in ONE TENTH THE TIME WE'VE DRAFTED ONE.

I'm wondering if the Jags don't try and go defense and grab a QB in the late 1st....early 2nd. Maybe wait for a Barkley slide and trade up to get him.

SNR
12-10-2012, 11:16 AM
even if you get a QB in the first round we will still need to put talent around him. 1 good RB wont cut it and holy shit the defense has more holes now than when Pioli got here four years ago

MLB2
CB2
FS
DE
and
DE

not to mention CB depth, Safety depth, MLBer depth, and D-line depth. We need all of that. Because everything thats there now is dog trash and that is obviousIf the QB and HC picks go right, we won't necessarily need more than half of those things. We can acquire them along the way as "Hey, this thing would be nice to have on the team" kind of picks.

Again, see Indianapolis.

Flachief58
12-10-2012, 11:20 AM
If the QB and HC picks go right, we won't necessarily need more than half of those things. We can acquire them along the way as "Hey, this thing would be nice to have on the team" kind of picks.

Again, see Indianapolis.

This

The right GM, HC & QB will go a LONG way towards fixing this mess

Molitoth
12-10-2012, 11:20 AM
This Chiefs season has been the biggest waste of talent I've ever seen on a team... except for possibly my Detroit Lions...

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-10-2012, 11:27 AM
Yup.

I don't give a $#it about draft value or projected slotting.

When it comes to QB we need one. Get one...

How fucking hard is it to understand this? JFC, the "draft value" is out the window with the new CBA when you need a QB (or other high impact player). :banghead:

GloryDayz
12-10-2012, 11:43 AM
I'm sure they'd replace the fan-base too if they could.. Far too many of us are just mean people!

ROYC75
12-10-2012, 12:48 PM
There's simply NO WAY you can objectively say that, at least not at this point.

Barkley started 4 YEARS at USC. Matt Cassel started 4 QUARTERS...

At a position OTHER THAN QB.

I do not want KC to have anything to do but face this guy. His arm is weak, ala Matt Cassel. I don't care if he was a red shirt 5th year player. Stay away from being a member of he Chiefs.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 12:56 PM
I do not want KC to have anything to do but face this guy. His arm is weak, ala Matt Cassel. I don't care if he was a red shirt 5th year player. Stay away from being a member of he Chiefs.

If he's the best QB on the board when they pick, they should take him.

And if, in 2 years, he turns out to be like you think he is, then they should draft another QB.

Rain Man
12-10-2012, 01:05 PM
If he's the best QB on the board when they pick, they should take him.

And if, in 2 years, he turns out to be like you think he is, then they should draft another QB.

This is the proper strategy in the modern NFL. Nothing else matters until you have a quarterback.

ROYC75
12-10-2012, 01:13 PM
If he's the best QB on the board when they pick, they should take him.

And if, in 2 years, he turns out to be like you think he is, then they should draft another QB.

Tyler Bray has more upside in talent than Barkley. The problem with Bray is the maturity level and rather he can comprehend the NFL playbook.

We get 1 or 2, they better not use it on Barkley. Smith or Wilson is the only logical choice.

God forbid we end up at 3, As much as we need QB, I'm almost inclined to go elsewhere if Smith & Wilson are gone, take Bray top of the 2nd.

Smith 1 and Bray in the 2nd is intriguing. Fill in the gaps with the draft & FA with a new ( good staff ) administration and we are on to something.

ct
12-10-2012, 01:16 PM
For some reason I am just pissed about this loss. It's not that we lost but it's things like,

Breaston on the bench and we have no WR worth a ****
An OC that refuses to pass the ball regardless
The TO at the end of the half to only runa ****ing draw play

it's just the level of stupidity

We've been running hopeless draws all year to our 3rd down back, UDFA Shaun friggin Draughn. I know Jamaal can't survive 30 carries every week, but he sure as hell should be in on 90% of 3rd down passing situations.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 01:18 PM
Tyler Bray has more upside in talent than Barkley. The problem with Bray is the maturity level and rather he can comprehend the NFL playbook.

We get 1 or 2, they better not use it on Barkley. Smith or Wilson is the only logical choice.

God forbid we end up at 3, As much as we need QB, I'm almost inclined to go elsewhere if Smith & Wilson are gone, take Bray top of the 2nd.

Smith 1 and Bray in the 2nd is intriguing. Fill in the gaps with the draft & FA with a new ( good staff ) administration and we are on to something.

If Bray is the best QB available, pick him.

ct
12-10-2012, 01:19 PM
Tyler Bray has more upside in talent than Barkley. The problem with Bray is the maturity level and rather he can comprehend the NFL playbook.

We get 1 or 2, they better not use it on Barkley. Smith or Wilson is the only logical choice.

God forbid we end up at 3, As much as we need QB, I'm almost inclined to go elsewhere if Smith & Wilson are gone, take Bray top of the 2nd.

Smith 1 and Bray in the 2nd is intriguing. Fill in the gaps with the draft & FA with a new ( good staff ) administration and we are on to something.

this
and that

ROYC75
12-10-2012, 01:22 PM
Guys, Matt Barkley is NOT going to be the best QB at 1 or 2 in the draft, NO WAY NO HOW !. No noodle arm QB is worth a 1 or 2 pick. If he smart as all get out, maybe in a WC offense or a version of a dink and dunk offense, OK. But damn he has to be accurate as hell, of which the times I've seen him, he wasn't.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 01:37 PM
Guys, Matt Barkley is NOT going to be the best QB at 1 or 2 in the draft, NO WAY NO HOW !. No noodle arm QB is worth a 1 or 2 pick. If he smart as all get out, maybe in a WC offense or a version of a dink and dunk offense, OK. But damn he has to be accurate as hell, of which the times I've seen him, he wasn't.

What if we're picking 3rd?

Chief Roundup
12-10-2012, 02:01 PM
And the Jags will replace Gabbert in the draft.

They will have drafted TWO 1st-round QBs in ONE TENTH THE TIME WE'VE DRAFTED ONE.

Yeah oh boy. Lets knowingly throw away our top pick on a QB that won't get the job done. I would rather throw away a FA signing and let him suck than totally waste a draft pick.

There's simply NO WAY you can objectively say that, at least not at this point.

Barkley started 4 YEARS at USC. Matt Cassel started 4 QUARTERS...

At a position OTHER THAN QB.

Barkley is undersized, has a weak arm, played in a weak conference, had more talent around him than any other QB in this draft and he still couldn't lead that team anywhere and his stock is currently falling like a rock. Matt Barkley is not a good prospect at all.

Chief Roundup
12-10-2012, 02:05 PM
What if we're picking 3rd?

If we can we have to trade up or hope that Wilson or Smith falls to us. If none of those options pan out then we should trade back or take another position and then take which ever one of the next level QBs that they have evaluated as a player that they would also like or want. Whether that is at the top of the 2cd or trading back up into the first.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 02:17 PM
Barkley is undersized, has a weak arm, played in a weak conference, had more talent around him than any other QB in this draft and he still couldn't lead that team anywhere and his stock is currently falling like a rock. Matt Barkley is not a good prospect at all.

And he's still not Matt Cassel.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 02:18 PM
If we can we have to trade up or hope that Wilson or Smith falls to us. If none of those options pan out then we should trade back or take another position and then take which ever one of the next level QBs that they have evaluated as a player that they would also like or want. Whether that is at the top of the 2cd or trading back up into the first.

Yeah, let's fuck around and end up getting NOTHING at the QB position.

Just draft a fucking QB first and let the chips fall where they may.

DaneMcCloud
12-10-2012, 02:20 PM
I officially just don't care anymore.

For the first time since Herm was the coach, I bailed in the early 4th quarter to run errands and other stuff. The Chiefs were down 27-7 and I knew it was over. I just didn't care to watch the end.

It sucks to give up on a team in early December but we all know what's going to happen. It's sad, really. I'm more excited about tonight's Texans-Pats game than I was for the Chiefs and it's pretty much been like this since September.

I know changes are coming but it's going to be difficult to get me excited about 2013, whether Pioli, Crennel and the entire staff is gone or not.

This franchise is like a Vampire. It never stops sucking.

SNR
12-10-2012, 02:21 PM
Yeah, let's fuck around and end up getting NOTHING at the QB position.

Just draft a fucking QB first and let the chips fall where they may.

A lot of people want us to suck at the right time for a QB. Well guess what? There's no better way to ensure that than by drafting a QB.

QB is good = position fixed
QB sucks = team sucks, which = the perfect chance to draft that magical pro guy people want so bad

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 02:34 PM
A lot of people want us to suck at the right time for a QB. Well guess what? There's no better way to ensure that than by drafting a QB.

QB is good = position fixed
QB sucks = team sucks, which = the perfect chance to draft that magical pro guy people want so bad

Exactly.

Hey man, I know Cindy Crawford just asked me if I wanted to **** but damn, she's old, and who knows, maybe Katy Perry will walk by in 30 minutes and ask me. If I go **** Cindy Crawford, I won't be here when Katy Perry walks by. What am I going to do?!?!?!

Calcountry
12-10-2012, 02:48 PM
When you lose the way we did against Cleveland you suddenly find yourself staring at 2-11 and being embarrassed would be an improvement. Today we saw in a nutshell the complete and utter stupidity that Pioli has spent the better part of 4 years putting together.

We bitched about this team early in the season, gave up on them mid-way and now actually root for a loss in hopes for a good draft spot. Unfortunately a new QB, regardless of who it is or how high he is drafted, is not going to help this sorry ass compilation of fail and suck.

Think about the mess Pioli has created in just under 4 years that we now have to clean up in a hurry, somehow.

1. No QB's
2. No WR's...Bowe will walk leaving us with nothing worth a ****
3. No LT, I expect Albert to walk from this abortion
4. No DE's, Dorsey will walk and TJ still sucks
5. No punter..Colquitt can walk this year
6. No secondary, save flowers
7. 1 RB worth a shit
8. No Center worth a ****
9. No HC worth a ****
10. No OC worth a ****
11. No DC worth a ****
12. No ST coach worth a ****
13. No kicker worth a ****

So as I see it, we need at least 2 QB's, 2 WR's, a center, 2 DE's, 2 CB's, 1-2 Safetys, a HC, an OC, a DC, a ST coach, a kicker, a punter and of course a new GM

/rant offLMAO Vote for Obama, he will fix everything.

SNR
12-10-2012, 02:49 PM
Exactly.

Hey man, I know Cindy Crawford just asked me if I wanted to **** but damn, she's old, and who knows, maybe Katy Perry will walk by in 30 minutes and ask me. If I go **** Cindy Crawford, I won't be here when Katy Perry walks by. What am I going to do?!?!?!

If Cindy Crawford will fuck you, I think you should ask Meg Ryan if she'll fuck you AND let you chill at her place for the weekend. Gotta fuck the right celebrity for the right price, y'know. Old Meg Ryan isn't that much worse than old Cindy Crawford, after all

Big Smoke
12-10-2012, 03:08 PM
Pete sucks.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 03:15 PM
Exactly.

Hey man, I know Cindy Crawford just asked me if I wanted to **** but damn, she's old, and who knows, maybe Katy Perry will walk by in 30 minutes and ask me. If I go **** Cindy Crawford, I won't be here when Katy Perry walks by. What am I going to do?!?!?!

Then you get to her place, and Dennis Rodman pulls off his Cindy Crawford mask and pisspounds your anus.

You say 'oh well, can't say I didn't try, back to the mean streets hoping the next thing to walk by works out a little better.'

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 03:24 PM
Then you get to her place, and Dennis Rodman pulls off his Cindy Crawford mask and pisspounds your anus.

You say 'oh well, can't say I didn't try, back to the mean streets hoping the next thing to walk by works out a little better.'

At least you got a story you can tell your kids...

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 03:25 PM
At least you got a story you can tell your kids...

I pondered tacking those exact words on the end [pronouns excepted], but figured a succinct point is a superior point.

SNR
12-10-2012, 03:27 PM
Then you get to her place, and Dennis Rodman pulls off his Cindy Crawford mask and pisspounds your anus.

You say 'oh well, can't say I didn't try, back to the mean streets hoping the next thing to walk by works out a little better.'

That accurately describes the Chiefs' tryout with Scott Pioli.

However, the worst that happens with a QB is that old Cindy Crawford decides she doesn't actually want to have sex and has her doorman show you the way out. I can't think of any horrific scenarios that will set the team back years if the QB busts.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 03:33 PM
That accurately describes the Chiefs' tryout with Scott Pioli.

However, the worst that happens with a QB is that old Cindy Crawford decides she doesn't actually want to have sex and has her doorman show you the way out. I can't think of any horrific scenarios that will set the team back years if the QB busts.

QB busts, particularly high draft position ones, take years to determine.

A QB bust is the sine qua non of setting the team back years.

And I'm not saying 'don't draft a QB,' I'm saying 'take whatever QB is there for the taking because you really need one and he appears to be one' is retarded.

EDIT: and htis, I can't see any way for you to disagree with this given your stance on Cousins.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 03:38 PM
QB busts, particularly high draft position ones, take years to determine.

A QB bust is the sine qua non of setting the team back years.

And I'm not saying 'don't draft a QB,' I'm saying 'take whatever QB is there for the taking because you really need one and he appears to be one' is retarded.

That's no longer true with the current CBA.

No drafting, at any position, will set a team back "years".

SNR
12-10-2012, 03:44 PM
QB busts, particularly high draft position ones, take years to determine.

A QB bust is the sine qua non of setting the team back years.

And I'm not saying 'don't draft a QB,' I'm saying 'take whatever QB is there for the taking because you really need one and he appears to be one' is retarded.

EDIT: and htis, I can't see any way for you to disagree with this given your stance on Cousins.

Why do busted QBs set a team back so much as opposed to busted 5-tech defensive linemen? In both cases, the draft pick has been pissed away.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 04:18 PM
That's no longer true with the current CBA.

No drafting, at any position, will set a team back "years".

Why do busted QBs set a team back so much as opposed to busted 5-tech defensive linemen? In both cases, the draft pick has been pissed away.

It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 04:19 PM
Why do busted QBs set a team back so much as opposed to busted 5-tech defensive linemen? In both cases, the draft pick has been pissed away.

Longer-leash theory. But, as Carolina demonstrated (yeah, yeah, second-rounder), teams go back to the well more quickly in today's game.

Three years isn't necessarily a given for any QB, no matter the draft position.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 04:20 PM
It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

Caroline. Imperfect example because Clausen was a second-rounder.
Perhaps JAX this year. Looks very possible.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:22 PM
It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.

Jamarcus Russell.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 04:23 PM
Longer-leash theory. But, as Carolina demonstrated (yeah, yeah, second-rounder), teams go back to the well more quickly in today's game.

Three years isn't necessarily a given for any QB, no matter the draft position.

That wasn't nearly as much a 'we thought Clausen was our future but he clearly isn't now' thing, as it was a 'we get the 1 pick and Cam Newton's there, no brainer' thing.

I don't care if the Chiefs had Aaron Rodgers at QB, if they had the opportunity to draft Luck or RGIII, they better take him/

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Jamarcus Russell.

1. It's the Raiders, they're retarded.
2. He was their starter for 2 full years, and the end of his first.
3. I'd count Purple Drank as a career ending injury.
4. Overall, his selection has set them back more than the duration of him starting, including the desperation driven Palmer trade that did them no favors.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:36 PM
Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".

SNR
12-10-2012, 04:36 PM
It's not a $$ thing, and it's not an 'all busts are the same' thing.

It's a 'trust us, he's showing great things in practice, great strides are just around the corner' PR QBOTF sells tickets thing.

But please, tell us a story about a highly drafted QB who 1) busted, 2) didn't get a career ending injury to shorten his stay, 3) was named the team's starter, and 4) the realization of bust-ness took less than years.
A good bet is Blaine Gabbert. Possibly even Brandon Weeden.

Brady Quinn only took two seasons to bust out. Same with Tim Tebow.

Going back a long time, there's also Cade McNown and Akili Smith, both of whom only got to play for a single season.

|Zach|
12-10-2012, 04:37 PM
Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".

If you are bent out of shape about it then just move on...

right?

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:39 PM
If you are bent out of shape about it then just move on...

right?

I'm not bent out of shape about anything.

If they pass on a QB in April, I will move on. That's a promise.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 04:39 PM
QB busts, particularly high draft position ones, take years to determine.

A QB bust is the sine qua non of setting the team back years.

And I'm not saying 'don't draft a QB,' I'm saying 'take whatever QB is there for the taking because you really need one and he appears to be one' is retarded.

EDIT: and htis, I can't see any way for you to disagree with this given your stance on Cousins.

Let's just pass on a QB then. Heaven forbid that a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in 2 decades and that is nearing in on two 2-win seasons and two 4-win seasons in 6 years "set themselves back".

OIC, you can't read. It's OK, buck up li'l buddy.

Hypothetical for the sake of curiosity about consistency. If Kirk Cousins was the best QB in the upcoming draft when the Chiefs are on the clock, do you want the Chiefs to take him?

SNR
12-10-2012, 04:43 PM
Also, if the risk involved in picking just any ol' QB with a high draft pick boils down to "the team is forced to live with his mistakes for too long," then I don't know what to tell you. Teams need QBs. If they don't draft a guy, then they go the Chiefs route of trading for backups.

Elvis Grbacs, Rich Gannons, and Matt Cassels aren't any safer than rolling the dice on risky QBs in the first round. When they bust, they still require the franchise to give the company line, "Just be patient." The only difference is that when they succeed, they succeed as bullshit game managers, and when they fail they fail just as hard and fast as the QBs that fail spectacularly.

So does it come down to the pricetag, Baby Lee? If you're going to hang yourself, you shouldn't pay too much?

SNR
12-10-2012, 04:44 PM
OIC, you can't read. It's OK, buck up li'l buddy.

Hypothetical for the sake of curiosity about consistency. If Kirk Cousins was the best QB in the upcoming draft when the Chiefs are on the clock, do you want the Chiefs to take him?

Yes. I've said that many times. So has htismaqe.

I can't ever recall a QB draft that fucking horrific, but whatever.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 04:48 PM
Yes. I've said that many times. So has htismaqe.

I can't ever recall a QB draft that fucking horrific, but whatever.

Bullshit, htis has said JUST TODAY that Cousins isn't worth later round picks. How the fuck can the same person say 'if he's there at #1, 2, 3 overall in the draft and he's the best QB available take him' AND 'he's not worth trading away a 2nd 3rd or 4th round pick because I already know he's worthless and always will be?'

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:50 PM
OIC, you can't read. It's OK, buck up li'l buddy.

Hypothetical for the sake of curiosity about consistency. If Kirk Cousins was the best QB in the upcoming draft when the Chiefs are on the clock, do you want the Chiefs to take him?

Since your hypothetical is impossible, it doesn't require an answer. A player with Kirk Cousins' skill set would never be a first-round pick, let alone a top 5 pick.

See, we're not picking 11. We'll be picking in the top 3. That's where you get your QB.

So take Smith, or Wilson, or Barkley and get it done.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:52 PM
Bullshit, htis has said JUST TODAY that Cousins isn't worth later round picks. How the **** can the same person say 'if he's there at #1, 2, 3 overall in the draft and he's the best QB available take him' AND 'he's not worth trading away a 2nd 3rd or 4th round pick because I already know he's worthless and always will be?'

So basically you're saying that your hypothetical scenario involves Kirk Cousins being the BEST QB available, despite having a 4th-round skillset.

Again, your hypothetical is BS baiting and nothing more. Your hypothetical scenario would never happen in the REAL WORLD.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 04:52 PM
Also, if the risk involved in picking just any ol' QB with a high draft pick boils down to "the team is forced to live with his mistakes for too long," then I don't know what to tell you. Teams need QBs. If they don't draft a guy, then they go the Chiefs route of trading for backups.

Elvis Grbacs, Rich Gannons, and Matt Cassels aren't any safer than rolling the dice on risky QBs in the first round. When they bust, they still require the franchise to give the company line, "Just be patient." The only difference is that when they succeed, they succeed as bullshit game managers, and when they fail they fail just as hard and fast as the QBs that fail spectacularly.

So does it come down to the pricetag, Baby Lee? If you're going to hang yourself, you shouldn't pay too much?

If the situation is as dire as ours, you don't settle for a Gannon or Cassel either. If the talent isn't there in the draft class you find the way to trade for the Montanas, Youngs and Mannings out there.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:54 PM
If the situation is as dire as ours, you don't settle for a Gannon or Cassel either. If the talent isn't there in the draft class you find the way to trade for the Montanas, Youngs and Mannings out there.

The talent is there in this draft class.

Something tells me that it is this little tidbit that has created this HUGE difference in thinking between SNR, myself, and you.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 04:56 PM
If Smith is gone, there will be Wilson. If both are gone, there will be Barkley. All are legitimate first-round talents.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 04:57 PM
If Smith is gone, there will be Wilson. If both are gone, there will be Barkley. All are legitimate first-round talents.

Exactly.

ROYC75
12-10-2012, 05:25 PM
If Smith is gone, there will be Wilson. If both are gone, there will be Barkley. All are legitimate first-round talents.

If Smith and Wilson is gone at 1 & 2 and we are at 3 and you think Barkley is the 3rd best QB in the draft, yet he isn't the best fit for this team , you let that sucker go by. Take BPA, find some other team that has a sloberfest hard on for a weak armed QB and acquire another 1 or a 2, package something together somewhere somehow to get a quality BPA at a 1 and take Bray at the other 1 to complete your draft. You then have your 2 to grab another player unless you had to use him in your package to get 2 - #1high enough to get your QB and BPA.

This team has man needs but to settle for a guy like Barkley that doesn't fit our plans of stretching the field is assine. We have that in Cassel now, at least Quinn or Stanzi can throw it deep to keep the corners and safeties from crowding the line.

Sure the CBA has cut the risk of selecting a QB high now, but would you still want Barkley if the CBA wasn't the way it is now ?

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 05:28 PM
This team has man needs but to settle for a guy like Barkley that doesn't fit our plans of stretching the field is assine. We have that in Cassel now, at least Quinn or Stanzi can throw it deep to keep the corners and safeties from crowding the line.

This team has a plan to stretch the field?

Do you know who the next coach is already?

ROYC75
12-10-2012, 05:32 PM
This team has a plan to stretch the field?

Do you know who the next coach is already?

Copycat league, if we are not we must be on the leading edge to bring the WC offense back.;)

Barkley's only chance to succeed in the NFL is with a team planning more ball control or a WC offense.

SNR
12-10-2012, 07:11 PM
If the situation is as dire as ours, you don't settle for a Gannon or Cassel either. If the talent isn't there in the draft class you find the way to trade for the Montanas, Youngs and Mannings out there.

If Smith, Wilson, and Barkley truly are 2nd round talents (which they aren't) and not worth the Chiefs' time, then we're stuck going a different route: trading for Alex Smith, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez or trying to sign Joe Flacco away from the Ravens.

Or we keep what we have and draft another slapdick Ricky Stanzi/Kirk Cousins clone to ride the bench under futile QB leadership.

All in the name of "draft value." And not setting the franchise back.

What's the appropriate solution?

Guitarkore
12-10-2012, 07:18 PM
The fact that people don't think we need a multi-year rebuild is baffling to me.

This...

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 08:01 PM
If Smith, Wilson, and Barkley truly are 2nd round talents (which they aren't) and not worth the Chiefs' time, then we're stuck going a different route: trading for Alex Smith, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez or trying to sign Joe Flacco away from the Ravens.

Or we keep what we have and draft another slapdick Ricky Stanzi/Kirk Cousins clone to ride the bench under futile QB leadership.

All in the name of "draft value." And not setting the franchise back.

What's the appropriate solution?

Goalposts movin' all over up in here.

There's a gulf of difference between;

'get the QB as soon as you can because we need one and if it's not the right guy we can throw him in the gutter and go buy another'

and

'these 3 guys are each certified 1st round material, and drafting them is a near lock, but even if he doesn't live up to certified status you have to try.'

A GULF.

SNR
12-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Goalposts movin' all over up in here.

There's a gulf of difference between;

'get the QB as soon as you can because we need one and if it's not the right guy we can throw him in the gutter and go buy another'

and

'these 3 guys are each certified 1st round material, and drafting them is a near lock, but even if he doesn't live up to certified status you have to try.'

A GULF.Hey, I just figured that if you can use ridiculous hypotheticals that have no bearing on the argument, then I can move the goalposts a few inches.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 08:24 PM
Yeah, let's fuck around and end up getting NOTHING at the QB position.

Just draft a fucking QB first and let the chips fall where they may.

That accurately describes the Chiefs' tryout with Scott Pioli.

However, the worst that happens with a QB is that old Cindy Crawford decides she doesn't actually want to have sex and has her doorman show you the way out. I can't think of any horrific scenarios that will set the team back years if the QB busts.

That's no longer true with the current CBA.

No drafting, at any position, will set a team back "years".

Why do busted QBs set a team back so much as opposed to busted 5-tech defensive linemen? In both cases, the draft pick has been pissed away.

Hey, I just figured that if you can use ridiculous hypotheticals that have no bearing on the argument, then I can move the goalposts a few inches.

Compared to your and htis' ridiculous stances before I started the work of drawing some substance out of you. That of;

'just draft someone, anyone, at QB ASAP, regardless of value or prospects for success. Could fail, but then you just wash, rinse, repeat.'

Do you guys really pay this little attention to what you post.

htis was NEARLY SIMULTANEOUSLY posting 'I guarantee Cousins is a waste of a later round draft pick. He'll never be a success.' AND 'just draft a QB [no mention of qualification or value] already. We need one, one's available, BOOM, tough actin' Tenactin.'

SNR
12-10-2012, 08:35 PM
Compared to your and htis' ridiculous stances before I started the work of drawing some substance out of you. That of;

'just draft someone, anyone, at QB ASAP, regardless of value or prospects for success. Could fail, but then you just wash, rinse, repeat.'

God, you're such a fucking lawyer LMAO

You're the one who preached caution with this QB class when there's really nothing to be all that cautious about more than most years. This is an above average class of QBs, and you said settling for this group is like getting surprise raped by Dennis Rodman. That's the first thing you said that was more obtuse than my "draft a QB if you don't have one" argument

The second one was when you tried to pawn off the ol' "Okay, you hate Kirk Cousins so much, so would you just draft him if he's the only QB available?" There has NEVER been a class of QBs that god awful in the modern era of the NFL, and if it were possible I'd probably bet a hefty chunk of money that there never will be. I always said that if you need a QB, then go get one. And if you're as desperate as the Chiefs and don't want to trade for a retread (we don't) then the QBs only get worse the further down the draft you go. That's what I've been saying this year, that's what I said in that abortion QB class of 2010, and that's what I would say to your nonexistent Kirk Cousins draft.

You're pretty crafty with your logic, but if you keep bouncing all over the goddamn place, you'll eventually trip on your own dick.

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 08:52 PM
God, you're such a fucking lawyer LMAO

You're the one who preached caution with this QB class when there's really nothing to be all that cautious about more than most years. This is an above average class of QBs, and you said settling for this group is like getting surprise raped by Dennis Rodman. That's the first thing you said that was more obtuse than my "draft a QB if you don't have one" argument

The second one was when you tried to pawn off the ol' "Okay, you hate Kirk Cousins so much, so would you just draft him if he's the only QB available?" There has NEVER been a class of QBs that god awful in the modern era of the NFL, and if it were possible I'd probably bet a hefty chunk of money that there never will be. I always said that if you need a QB, then go get one. And if you're as desperate as the Chiefs and don't want to trade for a retread (we don't) then the QBs only get worse the further down the draft you go. That's what I've been saying this year, that's what I said in that abortion QB class of 2010, and that's what I would say to your nonexistent Kirk Cousins draft.

You're pretty crafty with your logic, but if you keep bouncing all over the goddamn place, you'll eventually trip on your own dick.

1. I've heard 'such a fucking lawyer' on here a bajillion times, one for each time the true underlying response was 'OK, I see what you're saying, good point.'

2. You and htis' being vague with the 'draft a QB already' with absolutely no mention of value or qualification wasn't my doing. I may still have a semi-functional sarcasmeter, I don't know if a 'there's a ton of assumed qualifications to my blanket hyperbolic statements you should already know'-meter has even been invented.

3. My hypothetical of a draft where Cousins was the best QB available, even early on in the draft, might be unrealistic, but it is completely defensible when someone is NEARLY SIMULTANEOUSLY stating 'draft QB, any QB, already' and 'Cousins is a guaranteed failure regardless of draft position' as Cousins, regardless of future prospects, undeniably falls under the umbrella of 'any QB.'

4. Stepping on one's dick is a pain, one that those few fortunate whose dicks reach the ground must bear.

Flachief58
12-10-2012, 09:14 PM
4. Stepping on one's dick is a pain, one that those few fortunate whose dicks reach the ground must bear.

Yep, it's something I've learned to live with though

Baby Lee
12-10-2012, 09:29 PM
Yep, it's something I've learned to live with though

Guy 1 on bridge pissing: Water's cold.

Guy 2 on bridge pissing: Yeah, deep too.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 08:24 AM
2. You and htis' being vague with the 'draft a QB already' with absolutely no mention of value or qualification wasn't my doing. I may still have a semi-functional sarcasmeter, I don't know if a 'there's a ton of assumed qualifications to my blanket hyperbolic statements you should already know'-meter has even been invented.

3. My hypothetical of a draft where Cousins was the best QB available, even early on in the draft, might be unrealistic, but it is completely defensible when someone is NEARLY SIMULTANEOUSLY stating 'draft QB, any QB, already' and 'Cousins is a guaranteed failure regardless of draft position' as Cousins, regardless of future prospects, undeniably falls under the umbrella of 'any QB.'

The value of the QB was implied. I'm not stupid, despite the fact that every time I argue with you I end up looking so.

OF COURSE I'm not going to take "any QB".

But there's at least 3, if not 5, QBs worthy of a high 1st-round grade in this draft. We're going to have a top 3 pick.

So yes, in light of all that information, which was HEAVILY IMPLIED all along, take a QB, "any QB".

Chiefnj2
12-11-2012, 09:55 AM
But there's at least 3, if not 5, QBs worthy of a high 1st-round grade in this draft. We're going to have a top 3 pick.

.

Who? Right now when guys from ESPN and the NFL network are talking to scouts it seems like there aren't any QB's with a "high" first round grade.

Sure, that will change because QB's always move up the board whether warranted or not, but I think it's a stretch to say 5 will have a top 10 grade.

Dayze
12-11-2012, 10:02 AM
we're headed towards LT-ville.

LT or MLB.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 10:05 AM
Reach for the Dark Penii Dayze.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 10:08 AM
Who? Right now when guys from ESPN and the NFL network are talking to scouts it seems like there aren't any QB's with a "high" first round grade.

Sure, that will change because QB's always move up the board whether warranted or not, but I think it's a stretch to say 5 will have a top 10 grade.

There are 3 that will have a top 10 grade.

Come draft day, there could be (not that there will be) up to 5. I say that because QBs have been over-valued the past couple of years, for sure.

It's all moot anyway.

There are AT LEAST 3 QBs worth a top pick. And we're going to have a top 3 pick, so one of them will be there when we pick. We better take them.

SNR
12-11-2012, 10:29 AM
For sure in the top 5:
Geno
Wilson

Possibly in the top 5:
Barkley
Murray

That's as far as I'm willing to go. Four ain't a bad haul if it works that way.

At the worst, you'll see probably 3 of those QBs go in the top 10, and four, five, or possibly even six QBs go in the first round.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 10:44 AM
For sure in the top 5:
Geno
Wilson

Possibly in the top 5:
Barkley
Murray

That's as far as I'm willing to go. Four ain't a bad haul if it works that way.

At the worst, you'll see probably 3 of those QBs go in the top 10, and four, five, or possibly even six QBs go in the first round.

I think you could arguably move Barkley from the 2nd group to the 1st.

But again, the bottom line is that we're going to have a top 3 pick. We're not talking about spending our 1st-round draft pick on EJ Manuel.

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-11-2012, 11:52 AM
1. I've heard 'such a ****ing lawyer' on here a bajillion times, one for each time the true underlying response was 'OK, I see what you're saying, good point.'

2. You and htis' being vague with the 'draft a QB already' with absolutely no mention of value or qualification wasn't my doing. I may still have a semi-functional sarcasmeter, I don't know if a 'there's a ton of assumed qualifications to my blanket hyperbolic statements you should already know'-meter has even been invented.

3. My hypothetical of a draft where Cousins was the best QB available, even early on in the draft, might be unrealistic, but it is completely defensible when someone is NEARLY SIMULTANEOUSLY stating 'draft QB, any QB, already' and 'Cousins is a guaranteed failure regardless of draft position' as Cousins, regardless of future prospects, undeniably falls under the umbrella of 'any QB.'

4. Stepping on one's dick is a pain, one that those few fortunate whose dicks reach the ground must bear.

Holy shit, this post sounds like Frankie. :huh: