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JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 04:10 PM
Forget trading up for Tannehill, Luck, or Griffin--we could have had any of these 3 guys and they would have instantly been the best QB on our team and probably would've made us competitive this season. Given the steaming pile of shit that we had at QB coming into the season, if Clark Hunt is imbecilic enough to let the same guy who passed on these guys pick the next guy then **** the ****ing Chiefs. Have fun explaining a season ticket base of 10,000.

If not for a couple holdovers on offense and defense from the disastrous Carl Peterson era, we'd be one of the worst teams of the last 50 years--if we're not anyway. Pioli has absolutely no idea how to evaluate talent at by far the most important position in the NFL. None whatsoever. He got lucky and drafted Tom Brady as an afterthought and he's built his entire fortune on that one, lucky-ass move. I'd like to punch that fat, bald-headed prick right in the mouth for what he's done to this already pathetic franchise.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 04:12 PM
Cousins hasn't even started a game. JFC

He's had a comeback, sure. But the other time RGIII went out, he was less than stellar.

The Bad Guy
12-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Cousins gets an absurd amount of love for a few drives (I just edited because I saw the end of game heroics.)

Wilson would have been a great find. This fanbase would have ****ing loved him.

Too bad Pioli can't scout to save his ****ing life.

loochy
12-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Cousins hasn't even started a game. JFC

He's had a comeback, sure. But the other time RGIII went out, he was less than stellar.

He hasn't been as "less than stellar" as our QBs though

The Bad Guy
12-09-2012, 04:15 PM
He hasn't been as "less than stellar" as our QBs though

If our QBs are the measuring stick, then grab anyone off the waiver wire and it's an upgrade.

loochy
12-09-2012, 04:16 PM
If our QBs are the measuring stick, then grab anyone off the waiver wire and it's an upgrade.

Yes, I know.

kcpasco
12-09-2012, 04:17 PM
Or Kapernick

Micjones
12-09-2012, 04:18 PM
Wilson is the only QB whose name belongs in this discussion.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 04:20 PM
Cousins hasn't even started a game. JFC

He's had a comeback, sure. But the other time RGIII went out, he was less than stellar.

If you've watched him play for more than 5 minutes and you can't tell that he's better than Cassel or Quinn, then I've got a pair of stylish designer-framed glasses that I'd like to show you, Mr. Pioli. They'll make your face look less fat.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:21 PM
The thread title is an insult to Russell Wilson.

Bob Dole
12-09-2012, 04:22 PM
But, but, but...

There was open competition for the starting QB job in training camp. Bob Dole read it, so it must be true!

Would not have mattered one fucking bit who we had on this roster opening day. Mark Castle was going to start, come hell or high water.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:22 PM
If you've watched him play for more than 5 minutes and you can't tell that he's better than Cassel or Quinn, then I've got a pair of stylish designer-framed glasses that I'd like to show you, Mr. Pioli. They'll make your face look less fat.

My grandma is better than Cassel and Quinn.

Setsuna
12-09-2012, 04:24 PM
Cousins and Foles need to be deleted from any comparison or conversation with Wilson. Wilson is in discussions with RGIII and Luck. He should be OROY because he was taken so late and is doing equally as well as them.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 04:26 PM
If you've watched him play for more than 5 minutes and you can't tell that he's better than Cassel or Quinn, then I've got a pair of stylish designer-framed glasses that I'd like to show you, Mr. Pioli. They'll make your face look less fat.

I didn't say that he wasn't better than Cassel or Quinn, I just don't think you can judge him off of 1 amazing performance and 1 less than stellar one.

Bob Dole
12-09-2012, 04:28 PM
My grandma is better than Cassel and Quinn.

At???

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:30 PM
At???

Just about everything.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:31 PM
I didn't say that he wasn't better than Cassel or Quinn, I just don't think you can judge him off of 1 amazing performance and 1 less than stellar one.

We are so starved for a QB that people actually like the thought of acquiring Kirk fucking Cousins.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 04:32 PM
We are so starved for a QB that people actually like the thought of acquiring Kirk ****ing Cousins.

Would he be more entertaining to watch then Quinassel? Probably. But that doesn't mean he'd be the solution.

Oh, and you guys only have 3 more games left of watching the flaming pile of shit Quinassel, I would think. I thought that after Crennel benched Cassel that that was the sign that Cassel is on his way out.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 04:33 PM
Wilson is the only QB whose name belongs in this discussion.

So you're saying Nick Foles wouldn't even be in the discussion as being the starter between him, Cassel, and Quinn? That's just the kind of complete stupidity that keeps people buying tickets at Arrowhead.

Nick Foles vs Tampa 32/51 381 yds 2 tds 0 int

Brady Quinn vs Tampa 22/38 180 yds 0 td's, 2 ints

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:33 PM
Would he be more entertaining to watch then Quinassel? Probably. But that doesn't mean he'd be the solution.

Precisely.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:34 PM
So you're saying Nick Foles wouldn't even be in the discussion as being the starter between him, Cassel, and Quinn? That's just the kind of complete stupidity that keeps people buying tickets at Arrowhead.

Nick Foles vs Tampa 32/51 381 yds 2 tds 0 int

Brady Quinn vs Tampa 22/38 180 yds 0 td's, 2 ints

Do you want to win a Super Bowl?

Better than Cassel or Quinn isn't the fucking goal.

Better than bad <> good.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 04:43 PM
Do you want to win a Super Bowl?

Better than Cassel or Quinn isn't the ****ing goal.

Better than bad <> good.

I believe my post said "probably would have made us more competitive", not anything about winning a Super Bowl. I thought my post was pretty self-explanatory, but then I'm not from Kansas or Missouri, so let me slow it down for you. My point was that any of these 3 guys would be better than what we have, so let's not let the same guy who passed on these 3 guys pick the next guy. Do you understand now, or should I use crayons?

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2012, 04:44 PM
....and Geno will be an upgrade over any of these slapdicks.

Bump
12-09-2012, 04:45 PM
Pioli would never have tried to get us a good QB. He was determined to live or die with Cassel. He should die, but he won't. Clark won't fire him yet, GM's always get at least 10 years it seems, at least with KC it does.

We are stuck with Pioli and he'll probably draft Landry Jones or some shit with the #1 pick.

-King-
12-09-2012, 04:45 PM
Wilson is the only one that belongs in any conversation involving QBs.

And Geno has more potential than all 3 Qbs combined.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 04:50 PM
Forget trading up for Tannehill, Luck, or Griffin--we could have had any of these 3 guys an-

Stop right there, sir.

And we would have nevar known the joy of Chocolate Penii.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 04:50 PM
Wilson is the only one that belongs in any conversation involving QBs.

So you don't think Foles or Cousins is as good as Stanzi/Quinn/Cassel? You agree with Pioli in that if you had Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi on your roster that you're so set at QB that you wouldn't want to take a stab at Foles or Cousins in the 3rd round? Because that's what you're saying.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 04:51 PM
So you don't think Foles or Cousins is as good as Stanzi/Quinn/Cassel? You agree with Pioli in that if you had Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi on your roster that you're so set at QB that you wouldn't want to take a stab at Foles or Cousins in the 3rd round? Because that's what you're saying.

No. What he's saying is that none of them-aside from Wilson- are part of the solution.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 04:55 PM
No. What he's saying is that none of them-aside from Wilson- are part of the solution.

Did my post say that they were part of the solution, or did my post say that they probably would have made us more competitive than the guys we had, so let's not let the same guy who passed over them--given what we had--pick the next guy?

****ing illiterates....

istas
12-09-2012, 04:56 PM
And Dalton instead of Baldwin.

ArrowheadMagic
12-09-2012, 04:57 PM
Its why you draft one and take the chance. You do whatever it takes to find the right person at the most important position on the field. You keep swinging until you hit.

Setsuna
12-09-2012, 04:58 PM
Wilson is the only one that belongs in any conversation involving QBs.

And Geno has more potential than all 3 Qbs combined.

That's an ignorant statement. You are still, to this day, underestimating Wilson. You haven't learned shit from what's been right in front of your eyes.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2012, 04:58 PM
Don't forget Assweiler for those halftime "massages" to Horsey Jr!!!

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 04:59 PM
I believe my post said "probably would have made us more competitive", not anything about winning a Super Bowl. I thought my post was pretty self-explanatory, but then I'm not from Kansas or Missouri, so let me slow it down for you. My point was that any of these 3 guys would be better than what we have, so let's not let the same guy who passed on these 3 guys pick the next guy. Do you understand now, or should I use crayons?

I am not from Kansas or Missouri either you giant ****ing tool.

Lets shoot for competitive, yeah! Participation trophies for everyone.

The Bad Guy
12-09-2012, 04:59 PM
Wilson isn't in the same stratosphere as Luck or Griffin in terms of QB play. That's not a slight on him, but those 2 guys are carrying their teams.

Wilson is put in great spots by a great defense.

RGIII and Luck don't have that luxury.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 05:00 PM
Its why you draft one and take the chance. You do whatever it takes to find the right person at the most important position on the field. You keep swinging until you hit.

I wouldn't mind if we took a QB with every pick in the draft this year. I'm serious. I've been watching the Chiefs since the late 70's, and I'm sick of never, ever having a good qb that wasn't picked off some other team's scrap heap.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 05:01 PM
Did my post say that they were part of the solution, or did my post say that they probably would have made us more competitive than the guys we had, so let's not let the same guy who passed over them--given what we had--pick the next guy?

****ing illiterates....

No one gives a shit if the team is competitive with the guys they have. It's all about winning the Super Bowl.

WildTurkey
12-09-2012, 05:01 PM
I am not from Kansas or Missouri either you giant ****ing tool.

Lets shoot for competitive, yeah! Participation trophies for everyone.

Yay 9-7 or 10-6 and an early playoff loss every year!!! A chiefs true fans' wet dream

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 05:02 PM
I am not from Kansas or Missouri either you giant ****ing tool.

Lets shoot for competitive, yeah! Participation trophies for everyone.

Sorry, if I would've known you were from Iowa, I would've just talked about ****ing cows in cornfields.

I believe the natural progression is becoming competitive, then challenging for championships.

The Bad Guy
12-09-2012, 05:03 PM
Yay 9-7 or 10-6 and an early playoff loss every year!!! A chiefs true fans' wet dream

My goal is the make the playoffs now.

We've been dogshit for too long. Making the playoffs with a QB drafted by KC would absolutely be a huge step for me as a fan.

If you want to pie in the sky hopes and say SB right now, be my guest.

-King-
12-09-2012, 05:03 PM
So you don't think Foles or Cousins is as good as Stanzi/Quinn/Cassel? You agree with Pioli in that if you had Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi on your roster that you're so set at QB that you wouldn't want to take a stab at Foles or Cousins in the 3rd round? Because that's what you're saying.

What QB in the league ISN'T better than those 3?

-King-
12-09-2012, 05:04 PM
That's an ignorant statement. You are still, to this day, underestimating Wilson. You haven't learned shit from what's been right in front of your eyes.

:rolleyes:

Crush
12-09-2012, 05:05 PM
Its why you draft one and take the chance. You do whatever it takes to find the right person at the most important position on the field. You keep swinging until you hit.


TOO RISKY!!! /Laz

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 05:05 PM
What QB in the league ISN'T better than those 3?

exactly

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 05:06 PM
That's an ignorant statement. You are still, to this day, underestimating Wilson. You haven't learned shit from what's been right in front of your eyes.

It is the motherfucking TRUTH, and you will damned well begin embracing it.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 05:07 PM
Yay 9-7 or 10-6 and an early playoff loss every year!!! A chiefs true fans' wet dream

Name all the teams that have gone from a losing record one year to a Super Bowl Championship the next year.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 05:07 PM
That's an ignorant statement. You are still, to this day, underestimating Wilson. You haven't learned shit from what's been right in front of your eyes.

Then you have been as blind as a bat if you haven't seen how good Seattle's D is.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 05:09 PM
Name all the teams that have gone from a losing record one year to a Super Bowl Championship the next year.

2 teams off of the top of my head.

1999 St. Louis Rams.
2001 New England Patriots.

Marcellus
12-09-2012, 05:09 PM
Then you have been as blind as a bat if you haven't seen how good Seattle's D is.

Yea you are missing how good Wilson is. He is better than your QB for sure.

Wilson has outperformed RGIII and luck in many ways.


Stick your head back in the sand though.

Setsuna
12-09-2012, 05:10 PM
It is the mother****ing TRUTH, and you will damned well begin embracing it.

:grovel:

Setsuna
12-09-2012, 05:12 PM
Then you have been as blind as a bat if you haven't seen how good Seattle's D is.

STFU. Your #1 pick is and has been shit. The best player on your team is a rookie CB in Janoris Jenkins.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 05:12 PM
Yea you are missing how good Wilson is. He is better than your QB for sure.

Wilson has outperformed RGIII and luck in many ways.


Stick your head back in the sand though.

Give him the Colts D and tell me how he performs.

He's had a good season, no doubt, but not as good as Luck or RGIII.

Edit: Wilson reminds me more of Dalton than RGIII or Luck. I think Dalton is a decent if not good QB on a talented team.

WildTurkey
12-09-2012, 05:13 PM
Name all the teams that have gone from a losing record one year to a Super Bowl Championship the next year.

Did I say anything about a Super Bowl next year? I did not.. My point is to not settle on a qb because he's better than the shit we currently have. Doing that leads to 9-7 every year and losing in the playoffs. So go get your franchise qb and go for it instead of settling for just being good enough

Marcellus
12-09-2012, 05:14 PM
Give him the Colts D and tell me how he performs.

He's had a good season, no doubt, but not as good as Luck or RGIII.

They have played a few of the same teams, all 3 of them, and Wilson's numbers are better.

Last I checked the QB plays against the same defense as the other guys right? We aren't just talking win losses we are talking personal performance.

Rams Fan
12-09-2012, 05:14 PM
STFU. Your #1 pick is and has been shit. The best player on your team is a rookie CB in Janoris Jenkins.

He's led the Rams to comeback victories the last two weeks in the 4th quarter, but whatever.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 05:16 PM
2 teams off of the top of my head.

1999 St. Louis Rams.
2001 New England Patriots.

So over 96% of the time, you have to have at least been competitive enough to have had a winning record the previous season to expect to win a Super Bowl the next season.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-09-2012, 05:17 PM
:grovel:

LMAO Rep.

That is the 9-7 True Fan Smiley, used in the immortal, "Do you suffer from TFS(?)"-thread.

Inmem58
12-09-2012, 05:17 PM
Woulda coulda shoulda, dumb thread.

WildTurkey
12-09-2012, 05:19 PM
Woulda coulda shoulda, dumb thread.

We would be so awesome if we'd only taken Aaron Rodgers instead of a DJ.. Dammit I need to hop into my TARDIS and make that happen

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 05:20 PM
Did I say anything about a Super Bowl next year? I did not.. My point is to not settle on a qb because he's better than the shit we currently have. Doing that leads to 9-7 every year and losing in the playoffs. So go get your franchise qb and go for it instead of settling for just being good enough

Or, you could "settle" on one of those 3 guys instead of drafting a backup offensive lineman, and then when you draft your franchise QB, you have a solid backup, or a trade chip with good value.

Jesus, I never thought so many Chiefs fans were closet Scott Pioli lovers...

Dylan
12-09-2012, 05:33 PM
RG3 or should we be talking about Albert Morris...

WildTurkey
12-09-2012, 05:39 PM
Or, you could "settle" on one of those 3 guys instead of drafting a backup offensive lineman, and then when you draft your franchise QB, you have a solid backup, or a trade chip with good value.

Jesus, I never thought so many Chiefs fans were closet Scott Pioli lovers...

Can you read? Where in any of my statements have I said anything supporting Pioli. I don't think Foles or Cousins are anywhere near as good as what we can get in this years draft. Having any desire for those two is ludicrous. Yes they are better than Cassel and Quinn but neither are franchise qb's.. They would be our ticket to "competitive" 9-7 football for a long time

chiefzilla1501
12-09-2012, 05:50 PM
I think you guys are taking this the wrong way.

This isn't about whether these guys are superstars. It's that we spent this entire season developing a QB who had zero upside when we could have spent it on a guy who was at least a longshot. Completely arrogant to not even try.

SNR
12-09-2012, 06:06 PM
Ricky Stanzi > Kirk Cousins

Seriously, folks. Quit pining for bullshit that nobody wants just because it's better than what we have.

We're getting Geno Smith. Enjoy the fucking losses and quit your fucking bitching.

"WAAAAAAHHHHH THE GAMES ARE UNWATCHABLE!"

DEAL WITH IT

SNR
12-09-2012, 06:08 PM
I think you guys are taking this the wrong way.

This isn't about whether these guys are superstars. It's that we spent this entire season developing a QB who had zero upside when we could have spent it on a guy who was at least a longshot. Completely arrogant to not even try.

Again, Ricky Stanzi is a longshot. The Chiefs apparently don't seem interested in developing longshots in a 2-11 year. So Foles/Assweiler/Cousins would have been put to waste. They'd be the 3rd string QB just like where Stanzi is right now

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2012, 06:12 PM
I knew SNR would love this thread, heh.

Baby Lee
12-09-2012, 06:13 PM
2 teams off of the top of my head.

1999 St. Louis Rams.
2001 New England Patriots.

More importantly, they went from losing record to multiple SBs in a short span.

-King-
12-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Yea you are missing how good Wilson is. He is better than your QB for sure.

Wilson has outperformed RGIII and luck in many ways.


Stick your head back in the sand though.

Wait...what now?

In what ways has he outperformed the two of them?

Setsuna
12-09-2012, 06:17 PM
He's led the Rams to comeback victories the last two weeks in the 4th quarter, but whatever.

Yep I know those wins helped you all clinch your division. You = delusional

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-09-2012, 06:18 PM
RG3 or should we be talking about Albert Morris...

RG3. I could run for a grand in the Rat's system.

jspchief
12-09-2012, 06:34 PM
Cousins came in and completed his first throw and I said to my wife "he's thrown 11 NFL passes and in a huge situation he shows more composure than either of our QBs ever show on even the most routine plays".

It's not that any of these guys have proven themselves to be exceptional NFL QBs. They just demonstrate how incredibly aweful our guys are.

Guru
12-09-2012, 07:19 PM
Geno with Cousins as a backup.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 07:22 PM
I think you guys are taking this the wrong way.

This isn't about whether these guys are superstars. It's that we spent this entire season developing a QB who had zero upside when we could have spent it on a guy who was at least a longshot. Completely arrogant to not even try.

Nice to hear from someone who can actually read a post.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 07:24 PM
Cousins came in and completed his first throw and I said to my wife "he's thrown 11 NFL passes and in a huge situation he shows more composure than either of our QBs ever show on even the most routine plays".

It's not that any of these guys have proven themselves to be exceptional NFL QBs. They just demonstrate how incredibly aweful our guys are.

Thank you. I was beginning to think everyone here was completely brainless.

JohnnyHammersticks
12-09-2012, 07:29 PM
I know Pioli went through something you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy with the whole Belcher thing, but if his ass doesn't get blown out of here the second the season ends, then Clark Hunt deserves all the criticism and loss of revenue he gets because only a complete fool would allow the same man who assembled this clusterphuck of ineptitude we have at QB to try to pick the next cast.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 07:56 PM
My goal is the make the playoffs now.

We've been dogshit for too long. Making the playoffs with a QB drafted by KC would absolutely be a huge step for me as a fan.

If you want to pie in the sky hopes and say SB right now, be my guest.

You don't take a QB in the draft with any goal LESS than winning it all. That's how you end up with a guy whose ceiling prevents you from winning one.

Sure, you take it one step at a time but you don't ever take your eyes off the real prize.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 07:58 PM
Or, you could "settle" on one of those 3 guys instead of drafting a backup offensive lineman, and then when you draft your franchise QB, you have a solid backup, or a trade chip with good value.

Jesus, I never thought so many Chiefs fans were closet Scott Pioli lovers...

:rolleyes:

Wanting a real franchise QB = loving Scott Pioli.

Just about the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board.

-King-
12-09-2012, 08:01 PM
Or, you could "settle" on one of those 3 guys instead of drafting a backup offensive lineman, and then when you draft your franchise QB, you have a solid backup, or a trade chip with good value.

Jesus, I never thought so many Chiefs fans were closet Scott Pioli lovers...

2 out of those 3 guys suck ass and won't start more than 16 games in their entire career.

htismaqe
12-09-2012, 08:01 PM
Cousins came in and completed his first throw and I said to my wife "he's thrown 11 NFL passes and in a huge situation he shows more composure than either of our QBs ever show on even the most routine plays".

It's not that any of these guys have proven themselves to be exceptional NFL QBs. They just demonstrate how incredibly aweful our guys are.

The original poster said we could have drafted Kirk fucking Cousins.

That's not AT ALL about highlighting how bad our guys are. It's about wishing we would have drafted a mediocre game manager with limited physical skills and thinking that's ok because hell, at least he is better than Cassell.

GarH
12-09-2012, 08:15 PM
If Foles can survive playing behind what Philly calls an offensive line (6 sacks today), he will turn out to be a very good QB. He's light years better than the QBs the Chiefs have. He was a total steal in the third round.

ROYC75
12-09-2012, 09:00 PM
Geno with Cousins as a backup.

Nice wish, but what makes you think they will trade Cousins ?

notorious
12-09-2012, 09:04 PM
This coaching staff would have fucked every single one of them up.

FAX
12-09-2012, 11:37 PM
I wonder why more countries aren't named after the stuff they have. Take "Iceland", for instance. They named their country "Iceland" because there's lots of ice there. And then there's "Finland" known, of course, for lots of fish which have fins. But are there more cans in Canada than other places? Heck no, there's not.

FAX

SNR
12-09-2012, 11:52 PM
I wonder why more countries aren't named after the stuff they have. Take "Iceland", for instance. They named their country "Iceland" because there's lots of ice there. And then there's "Finland" known, of course, for lots of fish which have fins. But are there more cans in Canada than other places? Heck no, there's not.

FAXInteresting theory. I think I just discovered a way for the Falkland Islands to boost their tourism.