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ChiefsandO'sfan
12-10-2012, 09:25 AM
Matt Vensel ‏@mattvensel

It's official. Cam Cameron is gone.

the Talking Can
12-10-2012, 09:25 AM
deserved

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 09:26 AM
Daboll: still employed.

King_Chief_Fan
12-10-2012, 09:27 AM
wow, he isn't the best in the world, but a far cry better than Daboll and Daboll still has a job?

Dayze
12-10-2012, 09:28 AM
again....Chiefs ownership/management are pussies.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2012, 09:30 AM
Just a victim of the "Average" that is Joe Flacco....

Flachief58
12-10-2012, 09:31 AM
again....Chiefs ownership/management are pussies.

They need a bigger sample size. You can't rush these things

stevenidol
12-10-2012, 09:31 AM
again....Chiefs ownership/management are pussies.

If you are going to clean house after the season, why fire someone now?

Frankie
12-10-2012, 09:37 AM
Matt Vensel ‏@mattvensel

It's official. Cam Cameron is gone.Decisive organization. Clark, are you watching?

wazu
12-10-2012, 09:38 AM
again....Chiefs ownership/management are pussies.

Nah, let these coaches wear it. Let the losses sit on their records and keep pushing us towards a #1 pick for the new GM.

loochy
12-10-2012, 09:39 AM
If you are going to clean house after the season, why fire someone now?

Why keep them around?

Dayze
12-10-2012, 09:42 AM
The Chiefs should've made the decision a month ago. Now, perception is killing them.

I'm fine with them waiting etc. Just sayin the come off as pussies...more so than usual.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 09:44 AM
Why keep them around?

Because you don't have anybody to replace them and because you don't want the new GM/HC to start their career here with the stench of losing.

There's ABSOLUTELY zero functional reason to fire anybody now.

And placating the fans is not a functional reason.

loochy
12-10-2012, 09:45 AM
Because you don't have anybody to replace them and because you don't want the new GM/HC to start their career here with the stench of losing.

There's ABSOLUTELY zero functional reason to fire anybody now.

And placating the fans is not a functional reason.

?

It's the Chiefs.

Valiant
12-10-2012, 09:45 AM
Wow 18th in yards. 15th in passing. 17th rushing. 9th scoring.
Flacco 11th in yards and a rating of 87. Rice 10th in rushing tied for 4th in tds.

Something else had to be going on to get fired.

Dayze
12-10-2012, 09:48 AM
Flacco's eyebrows made the final decision.

Flachief58
12-10-2012, 09:49 AM
Wow 18th in yards. 15th in passing. 17th rushing. 9th scoring.
Flacco 11th in yards and a rating of 87. Rice 10th in rushing tied for 4th in tds.

Something else had to be going on to get fired.

That's the difference between a team that expects wins vs a team that's ok with losing as long as the game was competative

DJ's left nut
12-10-2012, 09:50 AM
You can't fire a coordinator mid-season, it creates too much disruption and upheaval.

Dayze
12-10-2012, 09:51 AM
Yup

I would love to see Clark and Pioli put this turd on the field in Philly, or NY.

Buehler445
12-10-2012, 09:52 AM
I haven't paid a lick of attention to the Ravens. What did he do that was so egregious? I thought everybody liked him there.

DJ's left nut
12-10-2012, 09:54 AM
I haven't paid a lick of attention to the Ravens. What did he do that was so egregious? I thought everybody liked him there.

He let RGIII and Nick Foles drive down the field in the last couple of minutes to tie the game.

Wait...that seems wrong.

Cameron's a good OC. Though, in defense of the Ravens here, Cameron has lost track of Ray Rice a few times this year. That's a pretty egregious screwup.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 09:54 AM
Cameron was fired because his bosses want to get better at that position.

Daboll hasn't been fired because his bosses are busy looking for jobs.

Valiant
12-10-2012, 09:56 AM
That's the difference between a team that expects wins vs a team that's ok with losing as long as the game was competative

Baltimore is 25in yards given up. 10th in pts.

9wins. Division leader and half of thier losses the d got rocked.

So that example does not really vibe.

Pestilence
12-10-2012, 10:00 AM
That's what happens when you repeatedly give Ray Rice 9 carries in a game.

Pestilence
12-10-2012, 10:02 AM
Jim Caldwell has been promoted to OC.

ROFL

philfree
12-10-2012, 10:03 AM
It will be interesting to hear some reasons why Cameron was fired. I guess it was his job to stop RGIII/Cousins after his O put up 28 points. Scapegoat! At 9-4? :spock:

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 10:06 AM
There's your next QB coach.

stonedstooge
12-10-2012, 10:08 AM
Daboll thinks Cameron is a dumb shit

Dante84
12-10-2012, 10:08 AM
Because you don't have anybody to replace them and because you don't want the new GM/HC to start their career here with the stench of losing.

There's ABSOLUTELY zero functional reason to fire anybody now.

And placating the fans is not a functional reason.

Oh, this old song and dance.

The Ravens disagree with your logic.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 10:08 AM
Don't the Ravens have a looming showdown with Joe Flacco's contract?

It's entirely possible this was an appeasement deal - trying to win favor with Flacco in an effort to ease up on his demands a bit.

GloryDayz
12-10-2012, 10:09 AM
I'm sure CHunt will have another press conference! And like RC, do nothing more than a quick recap of what we just saw (as if we didn't see it!!) and tell us again how the things his team does isn't going to win games. I thin they need another meaningless sign in the locker room!

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 10:09 AM
Oh, this old song and dance.

The Ravens disagree with your logic.

The Ravens are 9-4 and looking to improve ONE coaching position.

The Chiefs are 2-11 and looking to improve EVERY coaching position.

There's absolutely NO COMPARISON between the 2 situations so what the Ravens think about my logic concerning the Chiefs is 100% irrelevant.

GloryDayz
12-10-2012, 10:10 AM
I'm sure CHunt will have another press conference! And like RC, do nothing more than a quick recap of what we just saw (as if we didn't see it!!) and tell us again how the things his team does isn't going to win games. I thin they need another meaningless sign in the locker room!

Oh, that's right, CHunt is scared of cameras and the press (unless they agree to be nice)...

Buehler445
12-10-2012, 10:16 AM
Don't the Ravens have a looming showdown with Joe Flacco's contract?

It's entirely possible this was an appeasement deal - trying to win favor with Flacco in an effort to ease up on his demands a bit.

That makes more sense than his performance.

Sometimes they get away from the run, but if the defense is puking up scores, you have to pass, or end up like the chiefs with 0 margin for error,

Seemed to me like he wasn't doing a bad job, but like I said, I haven't paid attention to the Ravens at all.

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 10:27 AM
i would take Cam Cameron

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 10:29 AM
Cameron was fired because his bosses want to get better at that position.

Daboll hasn't been fired because his bosses are busy looking for jobs.
Ya, i beginning to think that no coaching firing for us means that everyone is gone.

If Pioli was staying i think there would be some coaching changes during the season. They still could happen but it's looking more and more like a house cleaning.

Kraus
12-10-2012, 10:29 AM
I've watched a lot of the Ravens games this year. For some reason, even when Ray Rice is gaining 5+ YPC he'll keep calling passes over and over again.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 10:32 AM
Ya, i beginning to think that no coaching firing for us means that everyone is gone.

If Pioli was staying i think there would be some coaching changes during the season. They still could happen but it's looking more and more like a house cleaning.

Exactly.

Chris Meck
12-10-2012, 10:36 AM
The reason everyone from Pioli down has not been fired midseason is that from an organizational standpoint it looks BAD.
It looks reactionary and unstable. You take your lumps with the guys you chose, then you fire them after the season and choose new guys. Nobody wants to take the job with the unstable, freak-out-and-fire-everybody owner. The fans would love it if Clark held a press conference and showed up, red faced and screaming, firing everybody and calling them worthless pieces of shit. However, nobody competent would ever, ever come here afterwards.
It's politics. You project that you are a steady ship looking for a better captain and you'll be able to hire well.

Bowser
12-10-2012, 10:40 AM
There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 10:41 AM
The reason everyone from Pioli down has not been fired midseason is that from an organizational standpoint it looks BAD.
It looks reactionary and unstable. You take your lumps with the guys you chose, then you fire them after the season and choose new guys. Nobody wants to take the job with the unstable, freak-out-and-fire-everybody owner. The fans would love it if Clark held a press conference and showed up, red faced and screaming, firing everybody and calling them worthless pieces of shit. However, nobody competent would ever, ever come here afterwards.
It's politics. You project that you are a steady ship looking for a better captain and you'll be able to hire well.
this too

especially since Daboll/Crennel are 1st year guys at their positions for us

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 10:42 AM
There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.

what does everyone think about Whisenhunt?

lazepoo
12-10-2012, 10:46 AM
There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.

This. Why the Ravens think Jim Caldwell is an improvement is a mystery to me. That clown is every bit the fraud Romeo has been here.
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Deberg_1990
12-10-2012, 10:50 AM
what does everyone think about Whisenhunt?

Hes just a Kurt Warner away from being good again.

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 10:51 AM
Hes just a Kurt Warner away from being good again.
But is he a Geno Smith away from being good again?

Pestilence
12-10-2012, 10:53 AM
No to Cameron or Whisenhunt

Deberg_1990
12-10-2012, 10:53 AM
But is he a Geno Smith away from being good again?

Hmmm..probably not. Hes never developed a young QB, and hes never really won alot of games. Their Super Bowl year they just got hot at the right time.

Chris Meck
12-10-2012, 10:54 AM
Of those guys, I'd like Turner. He's got experience coaching up QB's (Aikman, Rivers) and I like his vertical take on offense.

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 10:58 AM
Hmmm..probably not. Hes never developed a young QB, and hes never really won alot of games. Their Super Bowl year they just got hot at the right time.
I question whether Geno Smith would fit his offense either.


seems to me that Whisenhunt likes the quick,timing passing game.


I would think that Geno would fit best in an offense that takes advantage of his superior deep passing.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2012, 11:00 AM
heh, i know alot of fans hate to hear this, but Andy Reid is the most proven guy who will be available whith a history of success with young QBs.

Frankie
12-10-2012, 11:02 AM
Because you don't have anybody to replace them and because you don't want the new GM/HC to start their career here with the stench of losing.

There's ABSOLUTELY zero functional reason to fire anybody now.


I disagree here. If I'm Hunt, firing Pioli now (actually weeks ago) would give me a chance to observe the operation of the FO and the interim GM. I know it's very unlikely that we do have a diamond in the rough future GM in our own office, but it would make me look stupid if I (Clark) missed out on him, in case there is. How that potential candidate handle the adversity the rest of the season will be a great exploratory tool for Clark.

There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.Marty Mornhinweg?

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 11:05 AM
heh, i know alot of fans hate to hear this, but Andy Reid is the most proven guy who will be available whith a history of success with young QBs.
I would take him as an OC in a heartbeat but i still think he will get another shot as a Head Coach. He will probably want to do both (HC/OC) again. He is another guy that ignores the run a lot.

I don't like the dual roles much


Don't want my HC to have player personnel or be a coordinator.

FRCDFED
12-10-2012, 11:18 AM
Of those guys, I'd like Turner. He's got experience coaching up QB's (Aikman, Rivers) and I like his vertical take on offense. This! Turner as an OC would finally be a breath of fresh air! If not Turner then I would prefer that we go young with the HC and allow him to bring in his own college coordinator. Our team needs life!

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 11:21 AM
I disagree here. If I'm Hunt, firing Pioli now (actually weeks ago) would give me a chance to observe the operation of the FO and the interim GM. I know it's very unlikely that we do have a diamond in the rough future GM in our own office, but it would make me look stupid if I (Clark) missed out on him, in case there is. How that potential candidate handle the adversity the rest of the season will be a great exploratory tool for Clark.

Marty Mornhinweg?

Every single position in our front office is manned by people HAND-PICKED by Pioli based on personal relationships rather then MERIT.

There is ZERO reason to evaluate any of them. They all need to be fired with Pioli.

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 11:21 AM
Every single position in our front office is manned by people HAND-PICKED by Pioli based on personal relationships rather then MERIT.

There is ZERO reason to evaluate any of them. They all need to be fired with Pioli.

This isn't entirely true, there are holdovers like Ray Farmer.

But yeah, anyone Pioli brought in needs axe.

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 11:27 AM
Every single position in our front office is manned by people HAND-PICKED by Pioli based on personal relationships rather then MERIT.

There is ZERO reason to evaluate any of them. They all need to be fired with Pioli.
too far ... again

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 11:43 AM
too far ... again

In your opinion...again.

ChiefMojo
12-10-2012, 11:57 AM
Ray Farmer is highly respected as well but it sounds like no one wants to hire him away because they fear he is sorta toxic right now working under this Chiefs front office led by Pioli.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 12:05 PM
Ray Farmer is highly respected as well but it sounds like no one wants to hire him away because they fear he is sorta toxic right now working under this Chiefs front office led by Pioli.

Ray Farmer had been with the Chiefs since 2006, most notably as the Director of Pro Personnel.

During that time, the Chiefs have compiled an impressive 38-71 record.

I'm surprised nobody wants to hire him away.

MotherfuckerJones
12-10-2012, 12:17 PM
Bears hired Phil Emery and he's working out ok so far

BoneKrusher
12-10-2012, 12:20 PM
wow, he isn't the best in the world, but a far cry better than Daboll and Daboll still has a job?

but Daboll's from the Parcell's Tree.LMAO

the Talking Can
12-10-2012, 12:24 PM
whenever i watched the ravens, they were using Rice as a decoy or a blocking back while throwing some very low percentage pass routes regardless of situation....

it just seemed clumsy...

rabblerouser
12-10-2012, 12:27 PM
I disagree here. If I'm Hunt, firing Pioli now (actually weeks ago) would give me a chance to observe the operation of the FO and the interim GM. I know it's very unlikely that we do have a diamond in the rough future GM in our own office, but it would make me look stupid if I (Clark) missed out on him, in case there is. How that potential candidate handle the adversity the rest of the season will be a great exploratory tool for Clark.

Marty Mornhinweg?

Good God, no.

Are you even serious??

There isn't a sarcasm font, you know...

Amnorix
12-10-2012, 12:37 PM
There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.


I find it impossible to imagine Andy Reid being an OC again. :shrug:

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 12:38 PM
Ray Farmer is highly respected as well but it sounds like no one wants to hire him away because they fear he is sorta toxic right now working under this Chiefs front office led by Pioli.
complete and utter crap


people just making shit up

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 12:39 PM
I find it impossible to imagine Andy Reid being an OC again. :shrug:
unless he prefers to take a step back because he's tired of the shit.

siberian khatru
12-10-2012, 12:39 PM
Good God, no.

Are you even serious??

There isn't a sarcasm font, you know...

You're new here. It's Frankie.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2012, 12:40 PM
I find it impossible to imagine Andy Reid being an OC again. :shrug:

He wont be. Hes earned the right to not regress and take a demotion.

htismaqe
12-10-2012, 12:42 PM
complete and utter crap


people just making shit up

It's much more likely that people don't want to hire him because he's BAD AT HIS JOB.

38-71.

Mr. Laz
12-10-2012, 12:45 PM
It's much more likely that people don't want to hire him because he's BAD AT HIS JOB.

38-71.
i would think so too.

It's much more likely that his job performance is effecting his job offers instead of some make-believe Pioli crap.

DaWolf
12-10-2012, 12:47 PM
Bears hired Phil Emery and he's working out ok so far

Amazing what having a QB can do for ya...

-King-
12-10-2012, 12:56 PM
The Ravens are making the playoffs so there's an incentive to fire one or two coaches now as opposed to firing them after the regular season and still having a plyiff game later that week.

Chiefs don't have any incentive to fire anyone now. Might as well let everyone stay these next 3 weeks and totally clean house on black Monday.
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htismaqe
12-10-2012, 12:59 PM
The Ravens are making the playoffs so there's an incentive to fire one or two coaches now as opposed to firing them after the regular season and still having a plyiff game later that week.

Chiefs don't have any incentive to fire anyone now. Might as well let everyone stay these next 3 weeks and totally clean house on black Monday.
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This.

Reaper16
12-10-2012, 01:29 PM
Ravens fans hate Cam as much as we hate Dabol. I'm inclined to believe them.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-10-2012, 03:21 PM
Just a victim of the "Average" that is Joe Flacco....

Yup

seamonster
12-10-2012, 04:34 PM
I have to watch flaco everyweek. He sort of mopes around the sidelines by himself and plays football like he's bored and confused. The writing was on the wall for cam cameron when he was forced to drop their dogsht no huddle offense two weeks ago. No question Flaco probably whined to ownership.

dtebbe
12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
There is going to be an impressive list of offensive coordinators that will 9Most likely) be available for next season

Cam Cameron
Andy Reid
Ken Whisenhunt
Norf Turner

Nowhere to go but up.

Oh noes... Norf Turner ROFL

I think you were confusing your favorite pr0n actor Peter Norf?

DT

notorious
12-10-2012, 05:03 PM
Flacco is average. Baltimore needs to move beyond him.

listopencil
12-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Hopefully this weakens them for their next game.

MahiMike
12-10-2012, 05:35 PM
I'm all for organizations that take action but this is assinine. Nobody's ever heard of a team that wins their division fire their OC 3 weeks before the playoffs.

This is just another example of how the Harbaugh brothers are a couple of dicks.

Frankie
12-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Good God, no.

Are you even serious??

There isn't a sarcasm font, you know...

I don't know which one of the two posts you are responding to here. Once you learn to post clearly we'll discuss it.

listopencil
12-10-2012, 06:47 PM
The firing of Cam Cameron by John Harbaugh was reportedly precipitated by a heated argument (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-cam-camerons-play-selections-against-the-redskins-led-to-heated-exchange-with-john-harbaugh-20121210,0,536303.column) between the two that started on the sideline and continued into the locker room yesterday during the team's loss to Washington.

From IOAFM.

listopencil
12-10-2012, 06:50 PM
From the article:



The Ravens got off to a strong start this season and Flacco seemed in control of the no-huddle offense, but he started faltering on the road. As he continued to struggle, the Ravens appeared to water down the offense and they hit a major snag a week ago against Pittsburgh.

Ahead by a touchdown going into the fourth quarter, star running back Ray Rice never touched the ball in the period even through his last two runs in the third quarter tallied 34 yards and 10 yards. The Ravens lost, 23-20, as Pittsburgh mounted a 12-play, 61-yard drive in the last 6 minutes.

That might have been the unforgivable football sin. And then came Sunday.

According to two Ravens sources, both Harbaugh and Bisciotti were not pleased with the play selection at the end of the half and end of the game. Harbaugh was also not happy with the pass protection in the second half and wanted Flacco to be protected more.

Harbaugh and Cameron, according to the sources, were involved in a heated exchange on the sidelines that carried over into the locker room after the game. After Harbaugh conferred with Bisciotti and several others in the organization, according to the sources, a decision was made to release Cameron.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2012, 07:25 PM
From the article:



The Ravens got off to a strong start this season and Flacco seemed in control of the no-huddle offense, but he started faltering on the road. As he continued to struggle, the Ravens appeared to water down the offense and they hit a major snag a week ago against Pittsburgh.

Ahead by a touchdown going into the fourth quarter, star running back Ray Rice never touched the ball in the period even through his last two runs in the third quarter tallied 34 yards and 10 yards. The Ravens lost, 23-20, as Pittsburgh mounted a 12-play, 61-yard drive in the last 6 minutes.

That might have been the unforgivable football sin. And then came Sunday.

According to two Ravens sources, both Harbaugh and Bisciotti were not pleased with the play selection at the end of the half and end of the game. Harbaugh was also not happy with the pass protection in the second half and wanted Flacco to be protected more.

Harbaugh and Cameron, according to the sources, were involved in a heated exchange on the sidelines that carried over into the locker room after the game. After Harbaugh conferred with Bisciotti and several others in the organization, according to the sources, a decision was made to release Cameron.


Every season its a new excuse for Flacco.......every season.

Hes not a bad QB, you can win with him obviously.......but hes just a notch below.

GoChargers
12-10-2012, 07:27 PM
I'm all for organizations that take action but this is assinine. Nobody's ever heard of a team that wins their division fire their OC 3 weeks before the playoffs.

No, they're asinine for keeping Cameron for this long in the first place. He's awful.

Sorter
12-10-2012, 07:29 PM
Anyone who doesn't give Ray Rice the ball doesn't deserve to be in charge of play selection.

RJ
12-10-2012, 09:03 PM
Cameron should have been fired weeks ago. His play calling was schizophrenic. I would hate playing for that guy, particularly as a lineman.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 07:27 AM
The firing of Cam Cameron by John Harbaugh was reportedly precipitated by a heated argument (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-cam-camerons-play-selections-against-the-redskins-led-to-heated-exchange-with-john-harbaugh-20121210,0,536303.column) between the two that started on the sideline and continued into the locker room yesterday during the team's loss to Washington.

From IOAFM.

So Jim and John aren't all that different...

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 07:37 AM
Cameron should have been fired weeks ago. His play calling was schizophrenic. I would hate playing for that guy, particularly as a lineman.

He's had the problem for quite some time. He's much more like Mike Martz than Norv Turner when it comes to using the Coryell system.

BigRichard
12-16-2012, 03:45 PM
Maybe Cam wasn't the problem? Scape goat?

Deberg_1990
12-16-2012, 04:57 PM
Maybe Cam wasn't the problem? Scape goat?

Exactly. Like I mentioned before, the root of the problem is Flacco himself.

He's a good QB, but not a great one.