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MotherfuckerJones
12-10-2012, 04:32 PM
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On a radio interview with 910am Sports in Phoenix just now, Jason LaCanfora reported that Kansas City is a sleeping giant for HC and GM.

Per Twitter from SOC

OnTheWarpath58
12-10-2012, 04:32 PM
Q

BigMeatballDave
12-10-2012, 04:37 PM
What?

But the guys we have in place have performed so splendidly...

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 04:37 PM
How is that a "report."

It's an opinion.

chiefzilla1501
12-10-2012, 04:39 PM
If you care about winning and not a popularity contest, this is a great job as long as he gets paid handsomely for it.

Good core of young players. Tremendous cap position. Opportunity to draft a legit QBOTF in year 1. And largely a team that has talent but has been soiled by poor coaching.

You hire a top-notch coaching staff and draft a no-brainer at QB, and you immediately get your balls sucked for turning this into a winning team. Hell, one playoff win and not only can you stay here 20 years, you could become mayor.

MotherfuckerJones
12-10-2012, 04:39 PM
I have no idea. It just an opinion. But i would like to hear the interview so I could hear him elaborate

OnTheWarpath58
12-10-2012, 04:42 PM
If you care about winning and not a popularity contest, this is a great job as long as he gets paid handsomely for it.

Good core of young players. Tremendous cap position. Opportunity to draft a legit QBOTF in year 1. And largely a team that has talent but has been soiled by poor coaching.

You hire a top-notch coaching staff and draft a no-brainer at QB, and you immediately get your balls sucked for turning this into a winning team. Hell, one playoff win and not only can you stay here 20 years, you could become mayor.

Sounds like 2009 all over again.

Good core of young players? Check.

Sadly, those core players are still our core players.

Tremendous cap position? Check.

Opportunity to draft a QBOTF? Check.

But we'll get another 5-tech, wait and see.

What talent we did have soiled by poor coaching? Check.


It's like fucking Groundhog's Day in here.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-10-2012, 04:42 PM
I have no idea. It just an opinion. But i would like to hear the interview so I could hear him elaborate

http://www.xtra910.com/main.html I bet they have a Podcast later tonight.

mcaj22
12-10-2012, 04:52 PM
Sounds like 2009 all over again.

Good core of young players? Check.

Sadly, those core players are still our core players.

Tremendous cap position? Check.

Opportunity to draft a QBOTF? Check.

But we'll get another 5-tech, wait and see.

What talent we did have soiled by poor coaching? Check.


It's like ****ing Groundhog's Day in here.

name the good core of YOUNG players

Hali, DJ and Bowe do not count, because by the time we do another rebuild and are even remotely competitive 4 years from now, those 3 will be well over the hill

BossChief
12-10-2012, 04:52 PM
Sounds like 2009 all over again.

Good core of young players? Check.

Sadly, those core players are still our core players.

Tremendous cap position? Check.

Opportunity to draft a QBOTF? Check.

But we'll get another 5-tech, wait and see.

What talent we did have soiled by poor coaching? Check.

It's like fucking Groundhog's Day in here.
This team is in much better shape now than in 2009.

OnTheWarpath58
12-10-2012, 04:55 PM
This team is in much better shape now than in 2009.

Interesting, that 2-14 record looks the same to me.

People come up with every excuse under the sun - it's all Cassel's fault, it's the coaching, the sun was in our eyes.

Everything but the truth:

This roster sucks.

You don't get to 2-14 by accident, and you surely don't do so because of one player or coach.

chiefzilla1501
12-10-2012, 04:57 PM
Sounds like 2009 all over again.

Good core of young players? Check.

Sadly, those core players are still our core players.

Tremendous cap position? Check.

Opportunity to draft a QBOTF? Check.

But we'll get another 5-tech, wait and see.

What talent we did have soiled by poor coaching? Check.


It's like ****ing Groundhog's Day in here.

The team in 2009 had gaps at RT, C, WR2, WR3, QB, OLB, ILB, NT, 5-Tech, Nickel Back, arguably at FS too. I'm not talking about non-starters. I'm talking about complete garbage, with no backups.

THis team has shown it can run the ball. It can protect the QB. It can play defense when they're motivated. This team is a very good coach and very good QB away from being a playoff team. That wasn't even close to the case in 2009.

I"m not a fan of Pioli. But he did end up rounding out the roster with at least serviceable talent across the board.

Pestilence
12-10-2012, 04:59 PM
This team still needs:

3 QBs
1 RB
1 FB
2 WR
2 TE
OL depth
2 DEs
ILB
2 CBs
A starting FS and safety depth
And a kicker

chiefzilla1501
12-10-2012, 05:00 PM
Interesting, that 2-14 record looks the same to me.

This is the same team that went 7-9 last year with basically the same players and an average QB. The talent is even better this year than last year.

This team runs a predictable offense behind a doofus of a head coach who can't motivate his players worth a shit leading to soft passive players and with backup talent at the most important position in the game.

Again... you put a good head coach and a good QB for a full season on last year's team, and that's a legit playoff team. Not Super Bowl yet. But a good solid lower-tier playoff team.

notorious
12-10-2012, 05:01 PM
The offensive line is better, other than that everything else is a push.

chiefzilla1501
12-10-2012, 05:02 PM
This team still needs:

3 QBs
1 RB
1 FB
2 WR
2 TE
OL depth
2 DEs
ILB
2 CBs
A starting FS and safety depth
And a kicker

That's BS. No team is going to have great players at every position. And to say we can't compete because we don't have backup QBs is wrong. If we really think guys like Arenas and Kendrick Lewis and Siler or Moeaki/Boss are what's holding us back from a Super Bowl, we're kidding ourselves. Those are nice guys to upgrade, but you can build a championship team in spite of those guys.

Ceej
12-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Our o-line and LBs aren't too bad.

Everything else needs severe tweaking.

Pestilence
12-10-2012, 05:05 PM
That's BS. No team is going to have great players at every position. And to say we can't compete because we don't have backup QBs is wrong. If we really think guys like Arenas and Kendrick Lewis and Siler or Moeaki/Boss are what's holding us back from a Super Bowl, we're kidding ourselves. Those are nice guys to upgrade, but you can build a championship team in spite of those guys.

Dude....I never said we needed great players at all of those positions (outside of QB). That's my opinion on what this team is lacking.

Boss is done. That guy is a walking injury. Moeaki hasn't really done shit. Arenas is a decent NB....not a starter. Lewis sucks dick.....he needs to be replaced.

chiefzilla1501
12-10-2012, 05:07 PM
Dude....I never said we needed great players at all of those positions (outside of QB). That's my opinion on what this team is lacking.

Boss is done. That guy is a walking injury. Moeaki hasn't really done shit. Arenas is a decent NB....not a starter. Lewis sucks dick.....he needs to be replaced.

Then you're right. But I think most of us want to rattle a list off of stuff we need, when we have to talk about "stuff that's really hurting us." TEs, for example... nice to have, but it's not going to stop us from being competitive.

OnTheWarpath58
12-10-2012, 05:09 PM
This is the same team that went 7-9 last year with basically the same players and an average QB. The talent is even better this year than last year.

2012: We don't get to play Caleb Hanie every week.

So in 4 years, we have a 4 win season and a likely 2 win season, with a 10 win season against one of the weakest schedules in the history of the NFL (something like .420, IIRC) and a 7 win season in which 5 of those wins came against backup or third string QB's.

You're severely overestimating the level of "talent" on this roster.

Pestilence
12-10-2012, 05:09 PM
A good TE will be nice to have with a rookie QB.

SNR
12-10-2012, 05:10 PM
Did Ryan Succop murder his girlfriend then shoot himself in the face this weekend?

I missed the game. Honestly. Why does EVERYBODY say we need a new kicker?

The dude is 6/7 from 40 yards+ this year. 17/21 total.

I call that a pretty good field goal kicker.

stonedstooge
12-10-2012, 05:13 PM
This team still needs:

3 QBs
1 RB
1 FB
2 WR
2 TE
OL depth
2 DEs
ILB
2 CBs
A starting FS and safety depth
And a kicker

Add to that a punter. Not signed for next year so he's gone unless they franchise him

SNR
12-10-2012, 05:13 PM
This team still needs:

3 QBs
1 RB
1 FB
2 WR
2 TE
OL depth
2 DEs
ILB
2 CBs
A starting FS and safety depth
And a kicker
Get me one of those QBs, our old starting LT and WR, a starting CB, and a HC who doesn't suck this offseason.

I would call that a pretty good team if we can have that this offseason. Might take awhile to actually win games due to the rookie QB, but that's hardly total rebuild material right there.

The only thing that needs to be rebuilt is the defensive line, and I'd rather we do that gradually instead of rushing into shit like we always do.

That honestly might have been Pioli's worst problem. He started the job and his first goal was "FIX TEH DEFENSIVE LINE!!!!11"

He made several stupid and hasty picks, and it still hasn't worked.

OnTheWarpath58
12-10-2012, 05:13 PM
The offensive line is better, other than that everything else is a push.

I was going to say the pass rush was better, until I looked at the numbers.

They are barely ahead of 2009's pace, and behind last year's. And WAY behind 2010's numbers.

Prison Bitch
12-10-2012, 05:17 PM
I would think any NFL job would be great. There are only 32 of em.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-10-2012, 05:33 PM
http://www.xtra910.com/player/?station=KGME-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=interviews.xml&mid=22701764


Podcast is up

Discuss Thrower
12-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Guise, Ed Heartwell is buying a house in Leawood

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Jason Thinks Todd Haley might be the new HC of the Cards.

BigMeatballDave
12-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Jason Thinks Todd Haley might be the new HC of the Cards.

Can we get Ken?

Sorter
12-10-2012, 05:40 PM
This is a worthless thread.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-10-2012, 05:40 PM
Jason said IF KC makes change.

JASONSAUTO
12-10-2012, 05:51 PM
I was going to say the pass rush was better, until I looked at the numbers.

They are barely ahead of 2009's pace, and behind last year's. And WAY behind 2010's numbers.
Wouldn't that be somewhat explained by the fact we have been down twenty points for about 3/4 of the season?
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Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-10-2012, 05:54 PM
PHX guys had LaCanfora on to talk about the NFL and the Cardinals ass-drubbing that Seattle dished out. That led to questions about Wisenhunt getting the boot and NFL coach openings in general. KC was last mentioned and that's when he said we were a sleeping giant.

To me that means a few things:

(1) LaCanfora was the first one to report the Pioli extension. He is brochacho's with Pioli. They text like BFFs. He knows change is coming.

(2) Change is coming. Romeo will not be back nor will Pioli.

(3) Sleeping giant means this: #1 draft pick, good defensive talent, and other factors that make the Chiefs job attractable probably more so than people realize.

(4) Hunt perhaps realizes he needs to be more involved, spend more of the family's money.

**Ok, #4 is a pipe dream.

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-10-2012, 05:55 PM
It also means that @ChiefsandO'sfan is still a Twitter whore and hates it when others beat him to news.

:)

MotherfuckerJones
12-10-2012, 06:08 PM
PHX guys had LaCanfora on to talk about the NFL and the Cardinals ass-drubbing that Seattle dished out. That led to questions about Wisenhunt getting the boot and NFL coach openings in general. KC was last mentioned and that's when he said we were a sleeping giant.

To me that means a few things:

(1) LaCanfora was the first one to report the Pioli extension. He is brochacho's with Pioli. They text like BFFs. He knows change is coming.
How do you know theyre BFFs and text?
(2) Change is coming. Romeo will not be back nor will Pioli. I sure hope so

(3) Sleeping giant means this: #1 draft pick, good defensive talent, and other factors that make the Chiefs job attractable probably more so than people realize. Hmm. Interesting. I thought about that. I dont know how attractive KC is though and if they can land a good HC

(4) Hunt perhaps realizes he needs to be more involved, spend more of the family's money.

**Ok, #4 is a pipe dream.


Ya 4 is probably a pipe dream but ya never know. Royals are spending so maybe Hell is freezing over

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-10-2012, 06:21 PM
(1) A guy never kisses and tells. Just trust me on this one. Learned a lot about Pioli from some national and local media guys. Pioli is not a fan of Jay Glazer and Glazer isn't a fan of Pioli.

Hoover
12-10-2012, 07:22 PM
Biggest needs in order.

1. QB
2. CB
3. DE

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Biggest needs in order.

1. GM
1. HC
1. QB
2. CB
3. DE

BossChief
12-10-2012, 07:27 PM
1. Quarterback
2. Head coach
3. GM (that can work with hc)
4. CB2
5. S

bricks
12-10-2012, 07:29 PM
Interesting, that 2-14 record looks the same to me.

People come up with every excuse under the sun - it's all Cassel's fault, it's the coaching, the sun was in our eyes.

Everything but the truth:

This roster sucks.

You don't get to 2-14 by accident, and you surely don't do so because of one player or coach.

I believe that coaching makes a HUGE difference in the NFL.

This roster is not the greatest but there is some exceptional talent on it. Sure there are holes to fill particularily at QB, DB, WR, LB and so forth. Plus, I believe this team lacks depth as usual.

I don't think its just about how talented your roster is, its about getting your team to execute on all cylinders. I think one of the reasons this team can't execute is because they lack discipline. You have to attribute severe lack of discipline from a football team to sh*tty coaching.

And it's funny because this is a trend that has been ongoing for years with this ****ing team. And it makes me sick because its so ongoing that they fail to correct it. Look at who our coaches have been over the last 7-8 years, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, and Romeo Crennel. Nothing but a bunch of hot trashes.

Whats the coincedence? They are all shitty coaches and Shitty coaching= lack of discipline=lack of execution everywhere. I think that explains the 2-14 records behind a roster with some exceptional talent on it. Inability to hire good coaches has hurt this team and it shows up in the record books.

O.city
12-10-2012, 08:05 PM
(1) A guy never kisses and tells. Just trust me on this one. Learned a lot about Pioli from some national and local media guys. Pioli is not a fan of Jay Glazer and Glazer isn't a fan of Pioli.

Please elaborate a little

KC Tattoo
12-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Did Ryan Succop murder his girlfriend then shoot himself in the face this weekend?

I missed the game. Honestly. Why does EVERYBODY say we need a new kicker?

The dude is 6/7 from 40 yards+ this year. 17/21 total.

I call that a pretty good field goal kicker.

We gave up on Larence Tynes & he wins 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. . .

I think we have a good kicker in Ryan Succop. He doesn't miss that often.

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-10-2012, 08:52 PM
I can't. Not trying to be a dick or anything but I made a promise to someone. Glazer hates Pioli. Respects the position of GM but hates the person occupying the position.


Please elaborate a little

ChiefsCountry
12-10-2012, 08:59 PM
Intresting article in the Post-Dispatch today:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordon-fisher-proves-value-of-real-leadership/article_8fdb7604-3fbc-5d30-a4a1-f8cae9845dfe.html

ChiefsCountry
12-10-2012, 09:00 PM
I can't. Not trying to be a dick or anything but I made a promise to someone. Glazer hates Pioli. Respects the position of GM but hates the person occupying the position.

Glazer also was Carl Peterson's go to guy in the national media.

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 09:01 PM
Glazer also was Carl Peterson's go to guy in the national media.

Pretty sure that was Clark Judge.

SNR
12-10-2012, 09:01 PM
We gave up on Larence Tynes & he wins 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. . .

I think we have a good kicker in Ryan Succop. He doesn't miss that often.
Tynes has made clutch kicks to win those playoff games leading to the Super Bowl, too. Yet we didn't want him because of some stupid shit like, "I get so nervous when he trots onto the field! He occasionally misses the easy ones!"

It's the same shit with Succop now. People don't fucking learn.

MotherfuckerJones
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
Pretty sure that was Clark Judge.

You mean Nick Athan? ROFL

chiefzilla1501
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
2012: We don't get to play Caleb Hanie every week.

So in 4 years, we have a 4 win season and a likely 2 win season, with a 10 win season against one of the weakest schedules in the history of the NFL (something like .420, IIRC) and a 7 win season in which 5 of those wins came against backup or third string QB's.

You're severely overestimating the level of "talent" on this roster.

I'm not overestimating the talent. You're underestimating how important the QB and head coach and offensive coordinator are to making the talent significantly better.

mcaj22
12-10-2012, 09:41 PM
Tynes has made clutch kicks to win those playoff games leading to the Super Bowl, too. Yet we didn't want him because of some stupid shit like, "I get so nervous when he trots onto the field! He occasionally misses the easy ones!"

It's the same shit with Succop now. People don't ****ing learn.

same thing with Connor Barth

and Connor Barth is as good as they come for NFL kickers these days

rabblerouser
12-10-2012, 09:51 PM
Sounds like 2009 all over again.

Good core of young players? Check.

Sadly, those core players are still our core players.

Tremendous cap position? Check.

Opportunity to draft a QBOTF? Check.

But we'll get another 5-tech, wait and see.

What talent we did have soiled by poor coaching? Check.


It's like ****ing Groundhog's Day in here.

:doh!:

rabblerouser
12-10-2012, 09:53 PM
same thing with Connor Barth

and Connor Barth is as good as they come for NFL kickers these days

better than Succop...even if only marginally, Pioli let him walk and used a draft pick to replace him with someone almost as good.

Almost.

ROYC75
12-10-2012, 10:04 PM
I'm not overestimating the talent. You're underestimating how important the QB and head coach and offensive coordinator are to making the talent significantly better.

This has a lot to do with our problem guys.

Look what Weis did wit Cassel, sure it was a weak schedule, but we know know Cassel can screw up just by walking onto the field.

But let's not lose site on getting our GM first, a good GM will allow the rest to fall into place, so to speak. ( Sure we thought this with Pioli )

Chiefs=Good
12-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Tynes has made clutch kicks to win those playoff games leading to the Super Bowl, too. Yet we didn't want him because of some stupid shit like, "I get so nervous when he trots onto the field! He occasionally misses the easy ones!"

It's the same shit with Succop now. People don't ****ing learn.

This can all be attributed to a lack of qb. You don't have a qb whos consistently able to score touchdowns so you must rely on your kicker a bit more. The position gets magnified because we don't have a qb that can bring us back from a kickers mistakes..

Succop is the least of our problems.

rabblerouser
12-10-2012, 11:06 PM
I believe that coaching makes a HUGE difference in the NFL.

This roster is not the greatest but there is some exceptional talent on it. Sure there are holes to fill particularily at QB, DB, WR, LB and so forth. Plus, I believe this team lacks depth as usual.

I don't think its just about how talented your roster is, its about getting your team to execute on all cylinders. I think one of the reasons this team can't execute is because they lack discipline. You have to attribute severe lack of discipline from a football team to sh*tty coaching.

And it's funny because this is a trend that has been ongoing for years with this ****ing team. And it makes me sick because its so ongoing that they fail to correct it. Look at who our coaches have been over the last 7-8 years, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, and Romeo Crennel. Nothing but a bunch of hot trashes.

Whats the coincedence? They are all shitty coaches and Shitty coaching= lack of discipline=lack of execution everywhere. I think that explains the 2-14 records behind a roster with some exceptional talent on it. Inability to hire good coaches has hurt this team and it shows up in the record books.

When Haley was HC, this ENTIRE ROSTER played better football - WITHOUT Berry, Charles, and Moeaki.

This team was more competitive with Palko at QB, and he was fucking terrible.

tell ME 'coaching doesn't make that much of a difference' - you ain't been watching the same team, jack.

rabblerouser
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
Succop is the least of our problems.


Succop is emblematic of the Epic fail of the Pioli organization :

We already had a really good kicker...but Pioli let him walk for total peanuts to another team, without attempting to resign him, choosing instead to draft a guy who is almost as good...but as a rookie, was paid considerably less.

Kinda like when we already had a really good corner...but Pioli let him walk for relative peanuts to another team, without attempting to resign him, choosing instead to sign a FA who was not nearly as good...and as such was paid considerably less. Before he got cut.

Now do you understand why Succop is a sore fucking subject to some people??

jAZ
12-10-2012, 11:23 PM
Pioli should be fired because I don't want him hiring a 3rd coach. Nothing else matters in this discussion.

bricks
12-10-2012, 11:29 PM
When Haley was HC, this ENTIRE ROSTER played better football - WITHOUT Berry, Charles, and Moeaki.

This team was more competitive with Palko at QB, and he was ****ing terrible.

tell ME 'coaching doesn't make that much of a difference' - you ain't been watching the same team, jack.

Haley was lucky to have Romeo as his defensive coordinator.

The defense was the main factor in helping the Chiefs achieve a 7-9 record.

For some reason the difference between Romeo as a DC compared to HC is night and and day. And for whatever reason, don't know why?

I refuse to believe Haley was a good coach. The year he went 10-6 he had two really good coordinators helping him out.

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 11:38 PM
H
For some reason the difference between Romeo as a DC compared to HC is night and and day. And for whatever reason, don't know why?


Hmmm...gee, I dunno...I wonder...maybe...could it be....

http://www.footballnewsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/kyle_boller_sm.jpg

http://cdn.sportsoverdose.com/thumbs/curtis-painter-7-nfl.jpg

http://www.chicagonow.com/pop-buzz/files/2011/06/Caleb-Hanie-216x162.jpg

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/timtebowheadshot-e1306799595604.jpg?w=250

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01sMgnc6S4aOa/350x.jpg

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 11:40 PM
All you need to know about Romeo is that as a DC AND a HC he got his ass kicked by Chan Gailey and Ryan Shitzpatrick two years in a row.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 12:06 AM
Haley was lucky to have Romeo as his defensive coordinator.

The defense was the main factor in helping the Chiefs achieve a 7-9 record.

For some reason the difference between Romeo as a DC compared to HC is night and and day. And for whatever reason, don't know why?

I refuse to believe Haley was a good coach. The year he went 10-6 he had two really good coordinators helping him out.

With a merely competant GM, Haley would have had the Chiefs in serious contention for the Super Bowl right now.

The year he went 10-6 was a masterful job of coaching by ALL involved...as well as a weak interconference schedule and a shit division...

But the fact remains, every single player on this roster played better football with Haley as HC - they were more disciplined, better prepared, in better conditioning...

You can refuse to believe Haley was a good coach...but that sounds like a blind man refusing to believe that the sun is yellow.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 12:09 AM
All you need to know about Romeo is that as a DC AND a HC he got his ass kicked by Chan Gailey and Ryan Shitzpatrick two years in a row.

fact.

The Bills kicked his fat shit in, Chuck Norris-style.

NJChiefsFan
12-11-2012, 12:23 AM
All you need to know about Romeo is that as a DC AND a HC he got his ass kicked by Chan Gailey and Ryan Shitzpatrick two years in a row.

Come on. I bet if you gave him two or three more shots at Fitz he might be able to figure out the puzzle.

Guru
12-11-2012, 01:20 AM
1. Quarterback
2. Head coach
3. GM (that can work with hc)
4. CB2
5. S

NO NO NO NO NO
That is what Pioli did, getting the QB first. YOu let the HC pick his QB. There is no other way to make it work.

This is what they should do.

1. HC
2. GM
3. QB

Then the rest.

BigMeatballDave
12-11-2012, 06:52 AM
NO NO NO NO NO
That is what Pioli did, getting the QB first. YOu let the HC pick his QB. There is no other way to make it work.

This is what they should do.

1. HC
2. GM
3. QB

Then the rest.

I really don't want Clark hiring a HC.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 07:19 AM
The HC/GM are going to come first, the QB last, solely by virtue of chronology.

We won't be getting the QB until April...

bricks
12-11-2012, 07:25 AM
All you need to know about Romeo is that as a DC AND a HC he got his ass kicked by Chan Gailey and Ryan Shitzpatrick two years in a row.

But yet he was masterful at scheming against Peyton Manning during the years the Pats won SB's right? He was a DC that could outscheme the **** out of anyone during his run with the Pats.

Say what you want about Romeo, he was championship caliber DC. I was ecstatic when he first got here. It's just not till recently that he has stunk it up. Maybe the game passed him by? I don't know.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 08:19 AM
He can still coordinate a defense to contain Manning. Can't stop Weeden, Fitzpatrick, or guys like Matt Moore though. It's wierd as fuck.

Molitoth
12-11-2012, 08:32 AM
We gave up on Larence Tynes & he wins 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. . .

I think we have a good kicker in Ryan Succop. He doesn't miss that often.

This.

Succup was just doing his part in sucking for Geno.

SNR
12-11-2012, 08:46 AM
With a merely competant GM, Haley would have had the Chiefs in serious contention for the Super Bowl right now.

The year he went 10-6 was a masterful job of coaching by ALL involved...as well as a weak interconference schedule and a shit division...

But the fact remains, every single player on this roster played better football with Haley as HC - they were more disciplined, better prepared, in better conditioning...

You can refuse to believe Haley was a good coach...but that sounds like a blind man refusing to believe that the sun is yellow.
Haley got his shit pushed in from the fucking Buffalo Bills just like Romeo. He's no better

Brock
12-11-2012, 09:08 AM
With a merely competant GM, Haley would have had the Chiefs in serious contention for the Super Bowl right now.

The year he went 10-6 was a masterful job of coaching by ALL involved...as well as a weak interconference schedule and a shit division...

But the fact remains, every single player on this roster played better football with Haley as HC - they were more disciplined, better prepared, in better conditioning...

You can refuse to believe Haley was a good coach...but that sounds like a blind man refusing to believe that the sun is yellow.

Yep, what this team needs is more fake punts from its own 20. More botched two minute drives. More wasted timeouts because the right players aren't on the field. More draws on third and eight. And by all means, more childish tantrums by a grown man being shown on TV.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 12:29 PM
Haley got his shit pushed in from the ****ing Buffalo Bills just like Romeo. He's no better

RAC was the DC for both losses; hard to pin the freefall on Haley...we know whose mess this really is.

Yep, what this team needs is more fake punts from its own 20. More botched two minute drives. More wasted timeouts because the right players aren't on the field. More draws on third and eight. And by all means, more childish tantrums by a grown man being shown on TV.

When Matt Cassel is your QB...you totally try to manufacture points by any means neccessary. When Matt Cassel is your QB...you MAY AS WELL fucking fake punt from your own 20. When Matt Cassel is your QB...you fucking throw your hands up and let Bill Muir's geriatric ass and Jim Zorn deal with him, because you just want to throat punch him everytime you see him. When Matt Cassel is your QB...you may as well call a draw on 3rd and 8. When Matt Cassel is your QB...a childish tantrum may be the best thing you can muster (re: throat punching)

Notice how he has none of those problems in an actual professional football locker room...

Chocolate Hog
12-11-2012, 12:35 PM
This team is in much better shape now than in 2009.

This.

AdumbGuy
12-11-2012, 01:01 PM
Yep, what this team needs is more fake punts from its own 20. More botched two minute drives. More wasted timeouts because the right players aren't on the field. More draws on third and eight. And by all means, more childish tantrums by a grown man being shown on TV.

Thank you - Haley was terrible. He acted like he was the greatest coach that ever lived without ever having done anything.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 01:52 PM
Thank you - Haley was terrible. He acted like he was the greatest coach that ever lived without ever having done anything.

No he did not.

He acted like a great many things that weren't pleasant or appealing.

But what you say above is absolutely untrue.

bowener
12-11-2012, 01:57 PM
I think I don't give a shit anymore. Thanks for that, Pioli.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 02:22 PM
No he did not.

He acted like a great many things that weren't pleasant or appealing.

But what you say above is absolutely untrue.

Todd Haley gave a shit about being the Head Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, despite and in spite of a horrible working environment fostered by the large-egoed but small-minded GM who hired him, then hamstrung him with a roster that had plenty of top-end holdover talent from the Peterson era, no depth and no starting calibre NFL QB. These are all facts - provable.

Haley wanted Matt Hasselbeck after 2010 - Pioli responded by signing Tyler Palko.

Fuck Scott Pioli. I'm a Todd Haley fan now. I hate the Steelers, hate Big Ben the Rapist...but I hope they win the Super Bowl this year. I want Todd Haley to rub Clark Hunt's nose in it when he goes on to HC Super Bowl winning teams of his own.

I'm so fucking mad he's gone, I'm pretty much done with the NFL because of it.

Fuck you, Pioli. I hope you read this, because you know in your heart, that you fucked up. 2-11, style. Haley won as many games with Tyler Palko at QB as RAC has all year...

and people think he's a 'terrible' coach - ha!! He made chicken soup out of chicken shit. Even in 2011 - he got fired at 5-8 with his team in contention for the division. Only to be replaced with the fucking clown show we see here before us today - What kind of stupid shit is that?? Are you KIDDING me??

Brock
12-11-2012, 02:27 PM
and people think he's a 'terrible' coach - ha!! He made chicken soup out of chicken shit. Even in 2011 - he got fired at 5-8 with his team in contention for the division. Only to be replaced with the fucking clown show we see here before us today - What kind of stupid shit is that?? Are you KIDDING me??

Yeah. I especially liked it when he put a receiving corps in a game that consisted of Terrence Copper, Jerheme Urban, and Jeramy Horne. That showed unbelievable brilliance and fortitude. It's the kind of never say die attitude we need.

chiefzilla1501
12-11-2012, 03:34 PM
Yeah. I especially liked it when he put a receiving corps in a game that consisted of Terrence Copper, Jerheme Urban, and Jeramy Horne. That showed unbelievable brilliance and fortitude. It's the kind of never say die attitude we need.

And who are these magical receivers that got taken off the field because these guys played? Haley did a solid job given the talent he was given, and that absolutely begins with the QB.

Count Zarth
12-11-2012, 03:35 PM
And who are these magical receivers that got taken off the field because these guys played?

Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin.

Haley was tanking that Jets game.

Count Zarth
12-11-2012, 03:37 PM
Does this really need to be rehashed?

This was on a few key third downs last year vs the Jets.

Look at that personnel grouping.

TANK 4 FIRE MY ASS

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/377386_306848142671437_1395180233_n.jpg

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 03:39 PM
Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin.

Haley was tanking that Jets game.

not playing Baldwin was not puzzling in the least; the guy still can't do more than run fly routes.

What percentage of pass plays were Bowe and Breaston on the bench for??

Maybe Haley was waiting for the next week when Kyle Orton was gonna start, getting the scrubs some playing time in a blowout instead of letting T. Palko lead his best WRs into triple coverage with high throws that would get them hurt while his team was still in the thick of a division race??

Hell, shit like that gets receivers ribs broke and whatnot.

Count Zarth
12-11-2012, 03:41 PM
7-0. It wasn't a blowout.

Haley was tanking that game.

chiefzilla1501
12-11-2012, 03:42 PM
Does this really need to be rehashed?

This was on a few key third downs last year vs the Jets.

Look at that personnel grouping.

TANK 4 FIRE MY ASS

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/377386_306848142671437_1395180233_n.jpg

I think Haley looked exhausted. The team looked unmotivated and flat.

But I don't agree with people who said he ever tanked games by trying to sabotage. Think he was trying to be creative with an offense that couldn't run 80% of the plays in their playbook because their QB literally could not make the plays.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:07 PM
Yeah. I especially liked it when he put a receiving corps in a game that consisted of Terrence Copper, Jerheme Urban, and Jeramy Horne. That showed unbelievable brilliance and fortitude. It's the kind of never say die attitude we need.

So now, we get Copper, Jamar Newsome, and Dexter McFuckster??

So much improvement there.

:doh!:

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:07 PM
I think Haley looked exhausted. The team looked unmotivated and flat.

But I don't agree with people who said he ever tanked games by trying to sabotage. Think he was trying to be creative with an offense that couldn't run 80% of the plays in their playbook because their QB literally could not make the plays.

Holy shit...logic comes crashing in.

Having Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko start the season as your #1 and #2 QBs while your boss taps your phone and obsesses over candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning mediocre TEs and SSs will probably make you, me, or anyone exhausted...and go total fucking bonkers.

:thumb:

Brock
12-11-2012, 04:09 PM
So now, we get Copper, Jamar Newsome, and Dexter McFuckster??

So much improvement there.

:doh!:

The difference is Bowe wasn't hurt at that time.

Count Zarth
12-11-2012, 04:10 PM
I think Haley looked exhausted. The team looked unmotivated and flat.

But I don't agree with people who said he ever tanked games by trying to sabotage. Think he was trying to be creative with an offense that couldn't run 80% of the plays in their playbook because their QB literally could not make the plays.

Playing worthless shitbags isn't being creative.

It was deliberate middle fingers to Pioli.

Brock
12-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Does this really need to be rehashed?

This was on a few key third downs last year vs the Jets.

Look at that personnel grouping.

TANK 4 FIRE MY ASS

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/377386_306848142671437_1395180233_n.jpg

That is a slam dunk firing offense right there.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:15 PM
That is a slam dunk firing offense right there.

It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, fuck.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, fuck it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the fuck can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.

Brock
12-11-2012, 04:18 PM
It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, fuck.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, fuck it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the fuck can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.

"Get Bowe and Breaston a breather"? In a 7-0 game when he's supposedly fighting for his job. Holy shit. :doh!:

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 04:19 PM
It didn't matter if Fitgerald, Megatron, and A. Johnson were the WRs with Hernandez at TE...Cassel has a Pop Warner arm and couldn't hit any of them in stride. May as well put the scrubs in, ****.

I can see it - the game is 7-0; get Bowe and Breaston a breather - call a play with run personnel flexed out wide, **** it. As stated and proven, Cassel couldn't make it go anyway.

How the **** can any of that be Haley's fault?? He got saddled with Bill Muir, who called the plays and formations (including personnel groupings) and sent them to Zorn.

Haley's hands were completely tied.

Haley did not get saddled with Muir. No way.

In the Haley v. Pioli fight, I will side with Haley 9 times out of 10.

But this one is just flat wrong. He WAS tanking the Jets game, it was obvious.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:21 PM
"Get Bowe and Breaston a breather"? In a 7-0 game when he's supposedly fighting for his job. Holy shit. :doh!:

And he had no other QB but Palko (Orton was hurt), who had quite possibly developed some sort of chemistry with the 2nd squad.

They could have just been looking for something - ANYTHING - to get something going offensively.

I think Haley looked exhausted. The team looked unmotivated and flat.

But I don't agree with people who said he ever tanked games by trying to sabotage. Think he was trying to be creative with an offense that couldn't run 80% of the plays in their playbook because their QB literally could not make the plays.

Holy shit...logic comes crashing in.

Yay!

Having Matt Cassel and Tyler Palko start the season as your #1 and #2 QBs while your boss taps your phone and obsesses over candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning mediocre TEs and SSs will probably make you, me, or anyone exhausted...and go total ****ing bonkers.

:thumb:

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Haley did not get saddled with Muir. No way.

In the Haley v. Pioli fight, I will side with Haley 9 times out of 10.

But this one is just flat wrong. He WAS tanking the Jets game, it was obvious.

I think Haley wanted to be his own OC again. And he was probably justified in feeling that way - but his downfall was that he was always pissed at Cassel. You could tell in '11...he hated having Cassel under center...but he hated Palko even more.

I don't know if Haley was 'tanking' the game so much as using the opportunity to put the full spectrum of Pioli's deep and talented roster on display.

It was his biggest 'fuck you' to Pioli...

Fuck you, Pioli

Brock
12-11-2012, 04:28 PM
And he had no other QB but Palko (Orton was hurt), who had quite possibly developed some sort of chemistry with the 2nd squad.

They could have just been looking for something - ANYTHING - to get something going offensively.


By all means, get your best players off the field! We're trying to WIN here!

JFC.

:facepalm:

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 04:35 PM
You could tell in '11...he hated having Cassel under center...

True.

but he hated Palko even more.

Absolutely unequivocally untrue.

Haley LOVED Palko. People who were in the locker room after the Bears game got to see it first hand - Haley was on a personal mission to see Palko succeed. In many ways, it looks like he was living vicariously through a kid that grew up in many of the same circles Haley did.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:37 PM
By all means, get your best players off the field! We're trying to WIN here!

JFC.

:facepalm:

None of these best players you speak of have translated to wins this year.

Haley can win more games with Cassel and Palko at Qb, Jackie Battle at RB and Urban, Horne, and Copper at WR than RAC can with Bowe & Breaston at WR, Charles at RB, the return of Moeaki, Berry, Cassel...

Fact. Haley won more games without Jamal Charles than RAC has won WITH him.

Brock
12-11-2012, 04:40 PM
None of these best players you speak of have translated to wins this year.

Haley can win more games with Cassel and Palko at Qb, Jackie Battle at RB and Urban, Horne, and Copper at WR than RAC can with Bowe & Breaston at WR, Charles at RB, the return of Moeaki, Berry, Cassel...

Fact. Haley won more games without Jamal Charles than RAC has won WITH him.

that's a hell of a recommendation.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:41 PM
True.



Absolutely unequivocally untrue.

Haley LOVED Palko. People who were in the locker room after the Bears game got to see it first hand - Haley was on a personal mission to see Palko succeed. In many ways, it looks like he was living vicariously through a kid that grew up in many of the same circles Haley did.

If Orton hadn't have been hurt, Orton starts that NY game.The Pittsburg game sealed Palko's fate - Palko's big thing with Haley was that, in Chicago at least, he didn't give up that deflating crushing mistake that turns the tide of a game...

the kind of crushig turnovers that Matt Cassel specializes in.

Haley make have been ecstatic to win in Soldier Field - given the circumstances, that win alone should have garnered some kind of recognition - but in no way can I believe Haley was 'ecstatic' to have Palko.

Well...he wasn't Matt Cassel, so he DID have that going for him...

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 04:42 PM
that's a hell of a recommendation.

When you look at it from a cognitive standpoint, it actually says quite a lot.

Brock
12-11-2012, 04:45 PM
When you look at it from a cognitive standpoint, it actually says quite a lot.

All it says is "better than Romeo".

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 04:46 PM
Haley make have been ecstatic to win in Soldier Field - given the circumstances, that win alone should have garnered some kind of recognition - but in no way can I believe Haley was 'ecstatic' to have Palko.

He celebrated at Palko's locker after the game, yelling things like "I knew we could do it" and "we proved them wrong".

He LOVED Tyler Palko. Like a son. LOVED him.

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 04:48 PM
All it says is "better than Romeo".

:Lin:

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 05:00 PM
All it says is "better than Romeo".

Which is the point you were trying to argue.

So...I'm pissed that Haley get fired and replaced with someone who is clearly (and admittedly by you) worse than him - even though the inferior coach had 3-4 MORE years head coaching experience and close to 40 years of NFL coaching experience on the coach who you yourself admitted is the better of the two??

Geez...ya think maybe Haley would have grown into the job, had he received even a modicum of support from his GM??

I'm sure of it.

Brock
12-11-2012, 05:01 PM
Which is the point you were trying to argue.

So...I'm pissed that Haley get fired and replaced with someone who is clearly (and admittedly by you) worse than him - even though the inferior coach had 3-4 MORE years head coaching experience and close to 40 years of NFL coaching experience on the coach who you yourself admitted is the better of the two??

Geez...ya think maybe Haley would have grown into the job, had he received even a modicum of support from his GM??

I'm sure of it.

No, that was not the point I was trying to argue. Haley deserved to be fired. That was the point I was arguing. Whatever happened after that has no bearing whatever on my argument. Fuck that guy.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 05:06 PM
No, that was not the point I was trying to argue. Haley deserved to be fired. That was the point I was arguing. Whatever happened after that has no bearing whatever on my argument.

Um...for the Haley firing to be in any way be justifiable, there would have to have been some sort of upgrade at the position.

There has been no noticeable upgrade in any capacity for the Kansas City Chiefs since Haley's firing.

In fact :

we have a 1-win season at home
we went 8 straight games without ever having a lead
we had a player murder his girlfriend then shoot himself in front of the HC and GM on team grounds...

yeah, I think it's a safe assumption to say things have progressively gotten worse since he left.

Brock
12-11-2012, 05:10 PM
Um...for the Haley firing to be in any way be justifiable, there would have to have been some sort of upgrade at the position.

A logical hole you can drive a truck through. Fucking up the next hire doesn't mean firing this douchebag was a mistake. It means hiring Crennel was another bigger, but separate mistake.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 05:13 PM
A logical hole you can drive a truck through. ****ing up the next hire doesn't mean firing this douchebag was a mistake. It means hiring Crennel was another bigger, but separate mistake.

Well, that could be one inference; the second (and most logical, to me) is that instead of firing the guy who held the players accountable...maybe fire the guy who gave $63M to a barely servicable backup QB and spends all his time fucking with candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning those mediocre TEs and SSs he loves so much??

I would've fired Pioli and found a GM who would work with my coach and just get him a decent fucking QB...

This isn't hindsight, either - I called the Haley firing a mistake the day it happened.

Brock
12-11-2012, 05:16 PM
Well, that could be one inference; the second (and most logical, to me) is that instead of firing the guy who held the players accountable...maybe fire the guy who gave $63M to a barely servicable backup QB and spends all his time fucking with candy wrappers in between cutting and resigning those mediocre TEs and SSs he loves so much??

I would've fired Pioli and found a GM who would work with my coach and just get him a decent fucking QB...

This isn't hindsight, either - I called the Haley firing a mistake the day it happened.

Well, it wasn't a mistake. He earned it. Hiring a new GM would have gotten him fired a little later is all.

rabblerouser
12-11-2012, 05:38 PM
Well, it wasn't a mistake. He earned it. Hiring a new GM would have gotten him fired a little later is all.

that's purely conjecture; I think that if Haley would have had a QB who produced in a somewhat consistant manner, his bizarre antics would have curbed and there would have been a possibility of continuity and the prospect of success.

Pestilence
12-11-2012, 05:55 PM
that's purely conjecture; I think that if Haley would have had a QB who produced in a somewhat consistant manner, his bizarre antics would have curbed and there would have been a possibility of continuity and the prospect of success.

Fucking Christ.....are you Mrs. Haley?

htismaqe
12-11-2012, 06:01 PM
that's purely conjecture; I think that if Haley would have had a QB who produced in a somewhat consistant manner, his bizarre antics would have curbed and there would have been a possibility of continuity and the prospect of success.

This is also conjecture.

His bizarre antics DID happen and regardless of why he did it (I blame it 100% on Pioli) his choice to respond the way he did is his fault.

He deserved to be fired. End of story.

Brock
12-11-2012, 06:11 PM
that's purely conjecture; I think that if Haley would have had a QB who produced in a somewhat consistant manner, his bizarre antics would have curbed and there would have been a possibility of continuity and the prospect of success.

Calls out conjecture - Engages in conjecture

DeezNutz
12-11-2012, 06:17 PM
Are we still really debating whether or not Haley should have been fired?

Wut?

GloryDayz
12-11-2012, 06:47 PM
There has been a Clark sighting too!!!

http://hypothete.com/images/dump/ROBIE.gif

chiefzilla1501
12-11-2012, 07:40 PM
This is also conjecture.

His bizarre antics DID happen and regardless of why he did it (I blame it 100% on Pioli) his choice to respond the way he did is his fault.

He deserved to be fired. End of story.

All I care about is... if Pioli listened and did the common sense thing and brought in not just an average QB, but a good QB, would the Chiefs have been competitive? If Pioli even TRIED to spend a little money to improve the team.

Haley was asked to win without a QB. And with a GM unwilling to spend money. And with ZERO autonomy to build his own system. Instead, he was forced into running a 2-gap system I don't think haley wanted.

So yeah... I never said Haley was a good coach. But given the shitty situation he was given, he did okay.

unlurking
12-11-2012, 08:38 PM
I like Haley and hope he does well, but he deserved to be fired. The only mistake was not sending Pioli with him.

rabblerouser
12-12-2012, 06:42 AM
All I care about is... if Pioli listened and did the common sense thing and brought in not just an average QB, but a good QB, would the Chiefs have been competitive? If Pioli even TRIED to spend a little money to improve the team.

Haley was asked to win without a QB. And with a GM unwilling to spend money. And with ZERO autonomy to build his own system. Instead, he was forced into running a 2-gap system I don't think haley wanted.

So yeah... I never said Haley was a good coach. But given the shitty situation he was given, he did okay.

given the situation...

the proof is in the pudding : every single player on this roster played better football when Haley was the coach.

I don't understand how anyone could perceive it any differently, unless it's just gainsaying.

htismaqe
12-12-2012, 07:22 AM
given the situation...

the proof is in the pudding : every single player on this roster played better football when Haley was the coach.

I don't understand how anyone could perceive it any differently, unless it's just gainsaying.

Better than "bad" does not equal "good".

Nobody sees it differently, they were "better" under Haley.

But they weren't "good".

Furthermore, Haley's crazy behavior WARRANTED firing him.