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Bump
12-10-2012, 05:56 PM
Really strange thing just happened.

So I'm sitting here lurking CP and Reddit. It was about 6:30 pm at the time.

My doorbell rang. People around here always go door to door and it's always an annoying foreign person trying to get money (often french, sometimes asian), so I didn't want to answer the door and I chose to ignore it since I'm not expecting anybody. I keep forgetting to get a no soliciting sign to put on my door.

Well then this guy starts ringing the doorbell over and over and over and over and over and then he starts banging the door really loud over and over and then more ringing the doorbell. It seemed really aggressive.

Mind you, I just watched Batman The Dark Knight Rises like 2 days ago. And without even knowing it, I yelled in a very loud batman voice WHO IS IT???

he yells PLUMBER in a loud manner and he sounded mexican, just to paint a picture.

I yell, I DIDNT ORDER A PLUMBER

The problem with the way my house is, I can't see from any window who is at the door. I have to do downstairs and open the door to see who it is. So I didn't know who the fuck is out there and I didn't order any plumber.

So after I yelled "I DIDNT ORDER A PLUMBER!!" he starts banging the door and jiggling the door knob. So I'm like holy shit, this guy is trying to get in my house. I grab my knife and yell "I DIDNT ORDER A PLUMBER, SO LEAVE"

and he continues to jiggle the door knob and he's saying something that I can't make out. And continues to ring the door bell and bang on the door.

So I yell I'M CALLING THE POLICE

he continues to bang the door and jiggle the door knob for about another second and then disappears. Because at that point, my adrenaline is pumping and I already called the police so I march outside with my knife because at that point I want to see who the fuck it is and why are they trying to get in my house. No sign of anybody.

There is a plumber van outside the door parked on the street, a reputable company. But nobody there.

He probably had the wrong house, but what kind of plumber keeps banging the door like that?

I told the cops, I don't know this just seemed really really off. They were like that's okay, thats what we are here for and they looked in the van but nobody in there and mentioned they wanted to speak to the plumber.

20 minutes later I hear the van start up and it drives off.

Fucking weird.

Everything points to a complete misunderstanding except why did the guy keep banging the door, jiggling the door know and ringing the doorbell after I already told him to leave? Who does that?

Aidan
12-10-2012, 05:58 PM
epic.

JASONSAUTO
12-10-2012, 05:59 PM
Good thing you weren't busy partaking
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Nightfyre
12-10-2012, 06:00 PM
Sounds like Jenson decided to post another story.

stonedstooge
12-10-2012, 06:02 PM
They're after your weed man

Rain Man
12-10-2012, 06:04 PM
I bet he was trying to steal the copper out of your house.

LiveSteam
12-10-2012, 06:06 PM
epic.

Now see. This is a good post

Reerun_KC
12-10-2012, 06:06 PM
My .45 answers the door and says " say hello to my little friend"

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 06:11 PM
Mind you, I just watched Batman The Dark Knight Rises like 2 days ago. And without even knowing it, I yelled in a very loud batman voice WHO IS IT???



http://i.imgur.com/kQHnc.gif

Goldmember
12-10-2012, 06:13 PM
I had a drunk guy try to break into my apt once. I didn't open the door at first but he was throwing his body into the door. He was a big guy and I thought he was going to break the door down. His friend was trying to tell him he had he wrong place but didn't try too hard to pull him away. I told his friend I was going to call the police. I opened the door and told him to get the fuck out and he started toward me. I shoved him backward, he stumbled back and I closed the door. The police finally came and escorted him to his apt which was another bldg away. Dumbass drunk.

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-10-2012, 06:13 PM
epic.
lol

Bump
12-10-2012, 06:16 PM
I had a drunk guy try to break into my apt once. I didn't open the door at first but he was throwing his body into the door. He was a big guy and I thought he was going to break the door down. His friend was trying to tell him he had he wrong place but didn't try too hard to pull him away. I told his friend I was going to call the police. I opened the door and told him to get the **** out and he started toward me. I shoved him backward, he stumbled back and I closed the door. The police finally came and escorted him to his apt which was another bldg away. Dumbass drunk.

you never hear of anybody high doing that. We'd be like "damn, is this the right place? whoa? and sit there for a few minutes thinking about it and then reach the conclusion that this isn't the right place and move along.

GloryDayz
12-10-2012, 06:16 PM
It was prolly Eric Winston who's disgusted at your pipes.

cosmo20002
12-10-2012, 06:21 PM
Really strange thing just happened.

So I'm sitting here lurking CP and Reddit. It was about 6:30 pm at the time.

My doorbell rang. People around here always go door to door and it's always an annoying foreign person trying to get money (often french, sometimes asian), so I didn't want to answer the door and I chose to ignore it since I'm not expecting anybody. I keep forgetting to get a no soliciting sign to put on my door.

Well then this guy starts ringing the doorbell over and over and over and over and over and then he starts banging the door really loud over and over and then more ringing the doorbell. It seemed really aggressive.

Mind you, I just watched Batman The Dark Knight Rises like 2 days ago. And without even knowing it, I yelled in a very loud batman voice WHO IS IT???

he yells PLUMBER in a loud manner and he sounded mexican, just to paint a picture.

I yell, I DIDNT ORDER A PLUMBER

The problem with the way my house is, I can't see from any window who is at the door. I have to do downstairs and open the door to see who it is. So I didn't know who the **** is out there and I didn't order any plumber.

So after I yelled "I DIDNT ORDER A PLUMBER!!" he starts banging the door and jiggling the door knob. So I'm like holy shit, this guy is trying to get in my house. I grab my knife and yell "I DIDNT ORDER A PLUMBER, SO LEAVE"

and he continues to jiggle the door knob and he's saying something that I can't make out. And continues to ring the door bell and bang on the door.

So I yell I'M CALLING THE POLICE

he continues to bang the door and jiggle the door knob for about another second and then disappears. Because at that point, my adrenaline is pumping and I already called the police so I march outside with my knife because at that point I want to see who the **** it is and why are they trying to get in my house. No sign of anybody.

There is a plumber van outside the door parked on the street, a reputable company. But nobody there.

He probably had the wrong house, but what kind of plumber keeps banging the door like that?

I told the cops, I don't know this just seemed really really off. They were like that's okay, thats what we are here for and they looked in the van but nobody in there and mentioned they wanted to speak to the plumber.

20 minutes later I hear the van start up and it drives off.

****ing weird.

Everything points to a complete misunderstanding except why did the guy keep banging the door, jiggling the door know and ringing the doorbell after I already told him to leave? Who does that?

Is there any chance--any chance at all--that you were really baked and this might not have happened like this?

seclark
12-10-2012, 06:22 PM
so, are the pants you pissed in being washed yet, or just laying on the floor?

"BOB'S NOT HERE, MAN!"
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something cooler
12-10-2012, 06:22 PM
You got tough after you'd called the police

MIAdragon
12-10-2012, 06:23 PM
http://i.qkme.me/3qt8hq.jpg

LiveSteam
12-10-2012, 06:25 PM
My friend was banging his wife & caught a pepping tom out side his window. He ran out caught the guy & proceeded beat the tar out of the Tom. Tom got a ticket & was sent of his way. My friend Marty. He went to jail for 190 days for assault .
This was in Iowa for the record. Council-tucky weirdos

seclark
12-10-2012, 06:26 PM
My friend was banging his wife & caught a pepping tom out side his window. He ran out caught the guy & proceeded beat the tar out of the Tom. Tom got a ticket & was sent of his way. My friend Marty. He went to jail for 190 days for assault .
This was in Iowa for the record. Council-tucky weirdos

ROFLdid he put some pants on first?
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Bump
12-10-2012, 06:28 PM
Is there any chance--any chance at all--that you were really baked and this might not have happened like this?

nope

burt
12-10-2012, 06:29 PM
I had a drunk guy try to break into my apt once. I didn't open the door at first but he was throwing his body into the door. He was a big guy and I thought he was going to break the door down. His friend was trying to tell him he had he wrong place but didn't try too hard to pull him away. I told his friend I was going to call the police. I opened the door and told him to get the fuck out and he started toward me. I shoved him backward, he stumbled back and I closed the door. The police finally came and escorted him to his apt which was another bldg away. Dumbass drunk.

and I am still sorry!!!

Bump
12-10-2012, 06:30 PM
You got tough after you'd called the police

ya, pretty much. I couldn't see who is out there. I don't own a gun. What's a knife gonna do in the event someone has a gun?

I thought to myself, hell the cops will be here soon if I have to fight lol

Goldmember
12-10-2012, 06:30 PM
you never hear of anybody high doing that. We'd be like "damn, is this the right place? whoa? and sit there for a few minutes thinking about it and then reach the conclusion that this isn't the right place and move along.

that is true

Goldmember
12-10-2012, 06:31 PM
You never sent me any flowers

burt
12-10-2012, 06:33 PM
You never sent me any flowers

I probably sent those to the wrong place too.......

LiveSteam
12-10-2012, 06:34 PM
ROFLdid he put some pants on first?
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Just underwear. The Tom just wanted to leave. Marty like an idiot called the cops thinking the Tom would go to jail. Police wouldn't care that Marty smacked the guy around a bit. Did not work out that way. Marty was in trouble for hitting him & holding him there against his will until the cops came.

PRIEST
12-10-2012, 06:35 PM
you never hear of anybody high doing that. We'd be like "damn, is this the right place? whoa? and sit there for a few minutes thinking about it and then reach the conclusion that this isn't the right place and move along.





This ROFL

Bwana
12-10-2012, 06:37 PM
ya, pretty much. I couldn't see who is out there. I don't own a gun. What's a knife gonna do in the event someone has a gun?

I thought to myself, hell the cops will be here soon if I have to fight lol

Get you dead.

TribalElder
12-10-2012, 06:40 PM
TL;DR

Fuck callin the police

scott free
12-10-2012, 06:41 PM
Sounds like a real plumber, an aggressive, dickhead plumber.

If he was banging around on doors in the neighborhood like that for twenty minutes, probably wasnt trying to be slick.

But honestly, who knows, its a crazy world out there...

Should've just shotgun blasted him through the door to be sure.

seclark
12-10-2012, 06:43 PM
so, how'd your dog act? did it get fired up w/someone jackin with the door?
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theelusiveeightrop
12-10-2012, 06:43 PM
Step away from the bag of cheet-ohs...............

Bump
12-10-2012, 06:49 PM
so, how'd your dog act? did it get fired up w/someone jackin with the door?
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she's is not a guard dog lol. She just got excited but I put her in her room but she wasn't barking, just acting excited. I don't know if that's how black labs typically are or not. I would like her to be a little defensive of the home lol.

Bump
12-10-2012, 06:51 PM
at some point, when I move out of here and have more land I'm going to get another dog that's more aggressive, as long as it gets along with my dog now. I think that will rub off on my dog and once one dog starts barking and acting badass, the other one will to.

seclark
12-10-2012, 06:55 PM
she's is not a guard dog lol. She just got excited but I put her in her room but she wasn't barking, just acting excited. I don't know if that's how black labs typically are or not. I would like her to be a little defensive of the home lol.

yeah, but she probably knew you were calling the cops.
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CHENZ A!
12-10-2012, 07:36 PM
No, you were right to call the police.. It was pretty dumb to run out your door with a knife though.

munkey
12-10-2012, 07:42 PM
epic.

This....

Big Smoke
12-10-2012, 07:45 PM
Claythan got scared

hometeam
12-10-2012, 07:54 PM
You weren't wrong to call the cops. Lots of home invasions start with some bullshit line like 'I'm a plumber'

That being said, why don't you own a handgun?

petegz28
12-10-2012, 07:59 PM
Firstly, no, you were not wrong to call the cops. This guy may be doing this elsewhere and if so the cops need to know he was at your house, in your neighborhood, etc.

Secondly and more importantly, buy a mother fucking firearm!

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:02 PM
Get you dead.

Inside 12 feet, a knife is a better weapon than a gun.

Count Zarth
12-10-2012, 08:03 PM
Claythan got scared

WOULD YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP I DON'T HAVE ANY GODDAMN MULTS

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:06 PM
Inside 12 feet, a knife is a better weapon than a gun.

two words....

12
gauge

KChiefer
12-10-2012, 08:06 PM
That's a landshark encounter if I've ever heard one. Better upgrade your knife to a harpoon.

Dayze
12-10-2012, 08:08 PM
just a dolphin ma'am.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:11 PM
two words....

12
gauge

Doesn't matter. Inside 12 feet, you aren't going to hit unless you've already aimed. Knives don't miss.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:12 PM
Who in the **** calls the cops? What a ****ing sissy.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Doesn't matter. Inside 12 feet, you aren't going to hit unless you've already aimed. Knives don't miss.

Uh, yes, knives too miss and if the other guy has a gun, you're dead. A shotguns don't miss inside 12 feet. That's why they are the best firearm for homedefense. It's point and shoot and you will drop a mother fucker with a 12 gauge.


WTF would I want to get all up on someone with a knife when I can stand 5 ft away and drop a bitch?

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:15 PM
Who in the **** calls the cops? What a ****ing sissy.

You call the cops to cover your ass. ALWAYS call the cops first if you have the chance. It makes it look like you did all you could after the cops show up and there is a dead body just inside your door.

Demonpenz
12-10-2012, 08:16 PM
I would fucking snake him.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:17 PM
You call the cops to cover your ass. ALWAYS call the cops first if you have the chance. It makes it look like you did all you could after the cops show up and there is a dead body just inside your door.

I would have told him to kick the fucking door in instead of screaming like a girl.

Dayze
12-10-2012, 08:18 PM
I just keep a Cassel jersey handy and toss it at the intruder. No one wants a part of that shit.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:18 PM
Uh, yes, knives too miss and if the other guy has a gun, you're dead. A shotguns don't miss inside 12 feet. That's why they are the best firearm for homedefense. It's point and shoot and you will drop a mother ****er with a 12 gauge.


WTF would I want to get all up on someone with a knife when I can stand 5 ft away and drop a bitch?

If all you have is a knife, and someone with a gun is breaking into your house, you want to get as close as you can to him.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 08:19 PM
Inside 12 feet, a knife is a better weapon than a gun.

Yeah, OK. You can have the knife. I'll stick with what I have.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:19 PM
I just keep a Cassel jersey handy and toss it at the intruder. No one wants a part of that shit.

Intruder commits suicide.



AHHHHHHHHH BOOM

Dayze
12-10-2012, 08:20 PM
Intruder commits suicide.



AHHHHHHHHH BOOM

LMAO

Demonpenz
12-10-2012, 08:20 PM
wish I could just queue up my home defense.jpgs

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:21 PM
If all you have is a knife, and someone with a gun is breaking into your house, you want to get as close as you can to him.

If all you have is a knife and someone with a gun is breaking into your house you need to hide or just gtfo. You bring a knife to a gun fight and you are going to lose.

I am not talking no hollywood bs here. You never, ever want to engage someone in hand-hand if you can avoid it. Most people have no clue of how to use a knife in a fight. And you just might end up getting stabbed with your own knife.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:23 PM
Yeah, OK. You can have the knife. I'll stick with what I have.

Agreed. I'll take my chances on dropping someone with a firearm as opposed to trying to drop them with a knife.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:25 PM
Shotguns: The Best Felon Killing Home Defense Tool Ever Made

Countless hours have been spent arguing what makes the “best” home defense gun. The reality is there is not a single gun that meets the requirements of every person and household.

Frequently, when talking about home defense guns, the shotgun is brought up first. The shotgun can make a very good home defense weapon, but it does have limitations that should be carefully considered.

Shotguns offer devastating stopping power. From a 12 gauge shell, a homeowner can put nine 00-buck (.33 caliber) pellets into an assailant with each pull of the trigger. While this is not guaranteed to stop a determined attacker, it is certainly an attention getter.

By comparison, a 9mm pistol fires a single .355 caliber bullet at typically slower velocities than the shotgun. You would have to pull the trigger nine times on a pistol to put the same kind of stopping power into an assailant as a single shotgun shell.

But there are a number of drawbacks associated with the shotgun including recoil, size and unrealistic expectations regarding performance.

Ouch Factor

Shotgun recoil is stout. A smaller statured shooter is less likely to want to shoot a 12 gauge pump. The very thing that makes the shotgun so effective — power — is the same thing that makes people shy away from using it.

Shotgun recoil can be tamed in a variety of ways. For example, consider using a 20 gauge instead of 12 gauge shotgun. A 20 gauge shotgun loaded with #3 buck (20 .25 caliber pellets) is nearly as effective on human targets in across-the-room distances as a 12 gauge loaded with 00-buck, but has significantly less recoil.

Also, the use of a semi-auto shotgun can reduce felt recoil since the operating system uses some of that energy to eject and chamber shells. Moving from a 12 gauge pump to a semi automatic 20 can really change a reluctant shooter into a willing one.

If you decide to go with the 12 gauge shotgun, consider using the reduced recoil loads offered by most manufacturers. These loads have been used to great effect by law enforcement agencies, with no noticeable loss in terminal performance. In other words, less recoil but same stopping power.

A Knoxx recoil reduction stock from BLACKHAWK! significantly reduces recoil. As a former cop, I carried a shotgun in a patrol car for more than 10 years, and I state without any hesitation that the Knoxx stock is the best accessory ever designed for a combat shotgun.

Size Matters

Size matters in two important aspects: length of barrel and length of pull.

The length of the shotgun barrel typically ranges from 18” to 28”. Anything shorter is illegal without the proper tax stamp from Big Brother.

A long shotgun barrel, such as would be used for wing shooting, is difficult to tactically maneuver through a house. I would never suggest leaving the relative safety of an entrenched position to go looking for home intruders, but reality is you may have to move from your room to go protect your children or other family member.

An 18” – 20” barrel is optimal. If you have a shotgun with a longer barrel, you can easily purchase a second barrel that installs in about five minutes. When you get ready to go hunting, simply swap the barrel back. Shotguns are very easy with which to work.

Second Childhood

Length of pull refers to how a long gun fits you. If the size of the shotgun is wrong, you are going to be less accurate and it will be more difficult for you to work the slide and other controls on the gun.

While aftermarket stocks like the Knoxx allow for an adjustable length of pull, another option is to purchase a youth-sized shotgun. These shotguns have a shorter stock for children learning to shoot. The great thing is, these same guns work very well for many women and smaller statured men.

A side benefit for the youth guns is they often times are slightly less expensive than their larger cousins.

Point and Shoot – No Aiming Required

I cringe every time I hear a gun store commando telling a novice shooter “With the scattergun, all ya gots to do is just point it in the general direction and pull the trigger. You ain’t gotta aim.”

Bovine manure. Shotguns come with a sighting system for a reason. At typical house distances (down the hall, across the room), the shot pattern is going to be very tight. If you do not aim, you will miss.

If you don’t believe me, carry your shotgun out to the range and shoot man-sized targets at five yards. The hole it makes will be impressive. But, you will notice that there is very little spread of the pellets. In other words, if you don’t aim, that tight group of pellets is likely go go somewhere other than the intruder.

The Magic of Racking a Shotgun

Another piece of gun store hero advice goes something along the lines of “The sound of a 12 gauge being racked will cause the assailant to wet himself and run, you’ll never have to shoot.”

Much like the previous statement, this piece of ‘wisdom’ is better used for fertilizing vegetables than for self defense.

I’ve spent a significant portion of my adult life dealing with the criminal element. Today’s criminal is a predator who is not scared of a homeowner merely making noise with a shotgun.

If someone comes into your home to do you harm, racking the shotgun will not scare them away. Through rage, socialization or drugs human predators are frequently incapable of feeling fear or compassion. Making noise will not likely stop an attacker. Lead will.

This is My Boomstick

The shotgun offers a lot of advantages for a home defense gun. They offer exceptional stopping power, are relatively inexpensive and they are pretty simple to operate.

However, the shotgun is not a perfect tool. Your circumstances and needs may dictate an alternative weapon to the shotgun. But finding the proper shotgun for your needs and a little planning, the ‘old smoothbore’ can be an extremely effective tool for protecting you and your family.

Effective Tools for Felon Repellant

Remington 870, model 24591 – This is a 12 gauge shotgun built on the famous 870 action, but with a few nice upgrades. From the factory, it comes with the Knoxx recoil reducing stock, a Wilson Combat ghost ring rear sight and a XS front sight post. MSRP $986.

Mossberg 930 Home Security, model 85320 – This 12 gauge is a reasonably priced, reliable semi-auto shotgun. No frills, just business. With a 4+1 capacity, front bead sight and Mossberg ambidextrous safety, this shotgun is easy to run and easy on the wallet. MSRP $612.

Remington 11-87 Sportsman Youth – As a compact, easy shooting shotgun, it is tough to beat the Remington 11-87 Youth. A semi-auto chambered in 20 gauge, this shotgun has a 21” barrel and a adjustable pull of length, meaning you can fit the firearm perfectly for the shooter. MSRP $804.

Federal Power-Shok 20 Gauge, #3 Buck – Full power, yet easier shooting that 12 gauge, these shells load 20 #3 buck pellets and launches them at 1200 fps. The tight patterns mean a devastating impact on any unwanted house guests. Expect to pay around $4.50 for a box of five.

Hornady Critical Defense 12 Gauge 00 Buck – Designed specifically for personal defense, these reduced recoil loads from Hornady feature eight 00 buck pellets moving at 1600 fps. Street price is about $9.50 for a box of 10.

http://www.humanevents.com/2011/03/29/shotguns-the-best-felon-killing-home-defense-tool-ever-made/

excessive
12-10-2012, 08:26 PM
"BOB'S NOT HERE, MAN!"
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That would be Dave. Dave's not here, man.

Dayze
12-10-2012, 08:27 PM
I wasn't looking at his neck, man

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:29 PM
If all you have is a knife and someone with a gun is breaking into your house you need to hide or just gtfo. You bring a knife to a gun fight and you are going to lose.

I am not talking no hollywood bs here. You never, ever want to engage someone in hand-hand if you can avoid it. Most people have no clue of how to use a knife in a fight. And you just might end up getting stabbed with your own knife.

http://www.realclearscience.com/video/2012/06/14/when_is_a_knife_better_than_a_gun.html

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:30 PM
I wasn't looking at his neck, man

LMAO C&C rep

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:31 PM
http://www.realclearscience.com/video/2012/06/14/when_is_a_knife_better_than_a_gun.html

Dude, we are talking about someone breaking into your house, not approaching you on the street. Purposely engaging someone in hand-hand is just stupid and should always be a last resort.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 08:32 PM
http://www.realclearscience.com/video/2012/06/14/when_is_a_knife_better_than_a_gun.html

Will the assailant with the knife be required to run and hold the weapon like a bitch? If so, I'm probably cool without a thing.

hometeam
12-10-2012, 08:33 PM
As long as there have been guns people have said 'don't bring a knife to a gun fight'.

Please. For the love of god, no one, follow this mans advice about doing so.

scott free
12-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Yeah, gun please.

Not some suburban rambo "ya git up on him close, ya see"

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Dude, we are talking about someone breaking into your house, not approaching you on the street. Purposely engaging someone in hand-hand is just stupid and should always be a last resort.

So if somebody tries to break into my house, and I only have a knife, your advice would be for me to hide?

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:34 PM
Will the assailant with the knife be required to run and hold the weapon like a bitch? If so, I'm probably cool without a thing.

I don't get what Adam is doing in the video? Is he chambering a round? Turning off the safety? Cocking the pistol?

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:34 PM
So if somebody tries to break into my house, and I only have a knife, your advice would be for me to hide?

You can't kill somebody just because they kick your door in. You have to be in some sort of life or death situation.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:35 PM
I don't get what Adam is doing in the video? Is he chambering a round? Turning off the safety? Cocking the pistol?

He's turning off the safety. Also, the other guy is making zero attempt to juke him.

Dayze
12-10-2012, 08:36 PM
in KS you can. Castle Doctrine IIRC

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Say something that is 100% incorrect.

You can't kill somebody just because they kick your door in. You have to be in some sort of life or death situation.

thanks

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:36 PM
So if somebody tries to break into my house, and I only have a knife, your advice would be for me to hide?

My advice to you is to get out of the house if possible. Do you know how to use a knife? How are you going to attack him? Keep in mind this has to be self-defense meaing you have to be in a life-threatening situation to begin with.

So guy busts in your door. WTF are you going to do with that knife?

DonkyPuncher
12-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Hey man the guy's in Home Alone sport a plumber van

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:37 PM
You can't kill somebody just because they kick your door in. You have to be in some sort of life or death situation.

Actually, the second someone enters your house illegally you can drop them. Them being in your house has threatened your life. But, he has to in the house.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:39 PM
He's turning off the safety. Also, the other guy is making zero attempt to juke him.

That's a fucked up safety and thus a bad choice for a firearm for self-defense. On my pistol I can drop the safety and fire in one motion. Or you by a Sig that doesn't even have a safety. :thumb:

Dayze
12-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Will the assailant with the knife be required to run and hold the weapon like a bitch? If so, I'm probably cool without a thing.



http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=h_vvI26NnwE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dh_vvI26NnwE

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:41 PM
Actually, the second someone enters your house illegally you can drop them. Them being in your house has threatened your life. But, he has to in the house.

If you are in fear of your life or in fear of the life of another person you can legally protect yourself by any reasonable and prudent means. Generally speaking you just can't shoot someone that just walks into your home uninvited. You must have a strong reason to believe that this person is going to do you bodily harm. You can be prosecuted for using "excessive force" for over reacting.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:42 PM
My advice to you is to get out of the house if possible. Do you know how to use a knife? How are you going to attack him? Keep in mind this has to be self-defense meaing you have to be in a life-threatening situation to begin with.

So guy busts in your door. WTF are you going to do with that knife?

Sorry honey. Tough shit, kids. I'm out.

In my house, it's a life threatening situation. If you've got a knife, you rush a gun.

hometeam
12-10-2012, 08:43 PM
If you are in fear of your life or in fear of the life of another person you can legally protect yourself by any reasonable and prudent means. Generally speaking you just can't shoot someone that just walks into your home uninvited. You must have a strong reason to believe that this person is going to do you bodily harm. You can be prosecuted for using "excessive force" for over reacting.


As long as you don't pull some pyscho shit like that old man in Minnesota, you will be fine.

I'll be sure I live to tell the story.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Sorry honey. Tough shit, kids. I'm out.

In my house, it's a life threatening situation. If you've got a knife, you rush a gun.

And you die. You'd be better off using a tazer if you're going to bum rush someone anyway.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:45 PM
If you are in fear of your life or in fear of the life of another person you can legally protect yourself by any reasonable and prudent means. Generally speaking you just can't shoot someone that just walks into your home uninvited. You must have a strong reason to believe that this person is going to do you bodily harm. You can be prosecuted for using "excessive force" for over reacting.

Excessive force is not popping someone for being in your house illegally. Walking up and unloading your clip on them after you've dropped them is.

You can pump as many rounds in them as it takes to drop them.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 08:47 PM
Excessive force is not popping someone for being in your house illegally. Walking up and unloading your clip on them after you've dropped them is.

You can pump as many rounds in them as it takes to drop them.

And there's some bullshit with this, too. If I'm going to make the decision to pull the trigger, the dude is going to die. There might be an excess round or two (or four) because this is far from a normal situation. Too much adrenaline and fear fueling the situation.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:47 PM
And you die. You'd be better off using a tazer if you're going to bum rush someone anyway.

The odds are on your side. If you can get inside 12 feet before the person with a gun begins to take aim, you have a huge advantage.

This isn't new to me. I train fairly extensively with this stuff.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:47 PM
As long as you don't pull some pyscho shit like that old man in Minnesota, you will be fine.

I'll be sure I live to tell the story in prison.


FYP.


Use common sense if you're in a situation like this. Call the cops, hide the family and get yourself a nice weapon (hopefully a gun). Put yourself in a good position to confront the intruder while you're protecting yourself.

If you and your family can make a run for it, then by all means do it and direct the cops. Don't be silly. It could be some drunk kid that got confused. Happens more often then you think. Also, the common rule when owning a gun. Think before you pull that trigger.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:48 PM
And you die. You'd be better off using a tazer if you're going to bum rush someone anyway.

Yeah, most people just have tasers lying around...and you're still wrong.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Excessive force is not popping someone for being in your house illegally. Walking up and unloading your clip on them after you've dropped them is.

You can pump as many rounds in them as it takes to drop them.

.......smh

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:48 PM
The odds are on your side. If you can get inside 12 feet before the person with a gun begins to take aim, you have a huge advantage.

This isn't new to me. I train fairly extensively with this stuff.

If you are trained with a knife, maybe. I'll take my chances with a firearm.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:49 PM
Yeah, most people just have tasers lying around...and you're still wrong.

Go buy one. And yes, you taze someone and they will drop.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:50 PM
And there's some bullshit with this, too. If I'm going to make the decision to pull the trigger, the dude is going to die. There might be an excess round or two (or four) because this is far from a normal situation. Too much adrenaline and fear fueling the situation.

Yep. If you shoot someone, empty your clip. If you stab someone, stab them several times in different places. If you punch someone, keep punching until they stop fighting back.

People die because they underestimate the ability of a person to take a bullet and keep coming, especially when that person is on drugs.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:51 PM
.......smh

Have you ever pulled the trigger? I have. I admit, it's scary as fuck and I am lucky I didn't kill anyone.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:51 PM
Go buy one. And yes, you taze someone and they will drop.

You've got a taser, I've got a knife, and I'm within three body lengths of you, and you're dead.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:52 PM
And there's some bullshit with this, too. If I'm going to make the decision to pull the trigger, the dude is going to die. There might be an excess round or two (or four) because this is far from a normal situation. Too much adrenaline and fear fueling the situation.

You have to be smart about it. The simple answer to your sitation is called hollow points. If you drop someone and they are still alive and you pop them until they die you will be going to prison. Don't kid yourself.

That being said I agree that you want to kill them, not hurt them. But you just can't pop extra rounds into them and yes, they have ways to tell if you did that.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:53 PM
If you are trained with a knife, maybe. I'll take my chances with a firearm.

It takes no more training than you saw in that video. That is to say, if you know which way the pointy end goes, you're good.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:53 PM
You've got a taser, I've got a knife, and I'm within three body lengths of you, and you're dead.

Yeah, right until you go into spasms, drop the knife, I take it and stab you.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:53 PM
It takes no more training than you saw in that video. That is to say, if you know which way the pointy end goes, you're good.

Yeah, ok.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:54 PM
You have to be smart about it. The simple answer to your sitation is called hollow points. If you drop someone and they are still alive and you pop them until they die you will be going to prison. Don't kid yourself.

That being said I agree that you want to kill them, not hurt them. But you just can't pop extra rounds into them and yes, they have ways to tell if you did that.

Are you for real?

Goldmember
12-10-2012, 08:54 PM
I probably sent those to the wrong place too.......

haha

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 08:55 PM
Have you ever pulled the trigger? I have. I admit, it's scary as **** and I am lucky I didn't kill anyone.

I've pulled several triggers, just not towards someone. If someone is kicking my door in then. You have to react calmly. You can't just go bat shit with the trigger. A few friendly rounds, to try an scare the intruder will do. If you give him a warning or two and doesn't listen, then you pop him one. Keep shooting until the threat is gone. Meaning he's no longer walking towards you. He still could be standing, just not moving. The threat is gone. If he reaches for something then I would shoot until he drops. Basically killing him.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 08:55 PM
You have to be smart about it. The simple answer to your sitation is called hollow points. If you drop someone and they are still alive and you pop them until they die you will be going to prison. Don't kid yourself.

That being said I agree that you want to kill them, not hurt them. But you just can't pop extra rounds into them and yes, they have ways to tell if you did that.

I'm not advocating being maniacal about the situation. If someone is down, incapacitated but clearly alive, I'm not going to walk over to kill him. It's going to be up to the ambulance to determine whether he lives or dies.

My point is that the initial onslaught is likely to be more than decisive.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:56 PM
Yeah, right until you go into spasms, drop the knife, I take it and stab you.

Jesus Christ, Pete. You aren't going to be able to hit a person with a taser from that range unless you've already got it aimed in the time it takes him to stab you. This is pretty basic stuff.

DeezNutz
12-10-2012, 08:57 PM
I've pulled several triggers, just not towards someone. If someone is kicking my door in then. You have to react calmly. You can't just go bat shit with the trigger. A few friendly rounds, to try an scare the intruder will do. If you give him a warning or two and doesn't listen, then you pop him one. Keep shooting until the threat is gone. Meaning he's no longer walking towards you. He still could be standing, just not moving. The threat is gone. If he reaches for something then I would shoot until he drops. Basically killing him.

The fuck?

Yeah, there are only "friendly rounds" chambered at my house.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:57 PM
Are you for real?

I am very for real. This is advice straight from the mouts if police officers. Trust me. I worked in liquor stores in very, very bad parts of town. I have had several conversations with law enforcment both friends of family and cops that would come into the store.

One thing you best understand, the criminal has more rights than you do, like it or not.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 08:57 PM
I've pulled several triggers, just not towards someone. If someone is kicking my door in then. You have to react calmly. You can't just go bat shit with the trigger. A few friendly rounds, to try an scare the intruder will do. If you give him a warning or two and doesn't listen, then you pop him one. Keep shooting until the threat is gone. Meaning he's no longer walking towards you. He still could be standing, just not moving. The threat is gone. If he reaches for something then I would shoot until he drops. Basically killing him.

Is this a bad advice contest? If so, I apologize. You NEVER fire a warning shot. NEVER

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:58 PM
Jesus Christ, Pete. You aren't going to be able to hit a person with a taser from that range unless you've already got it aimed in the time it takes him to stab you. This is pretty basic stuff.

I am not talking about a tazer you shoot. I am talking about hand held. You engage in hand-hand, I don't have to stab you or slice you or whatever. Don't even have to be on target...just get the taze on you and you will drop.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 08:59 PM
Is this a bad advice contest? If so, I apologize. You NEVER fire a warning shot. NEVER

I agree with this. If you are going to fire a round you need to put it center mass.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 09:00 PM
I am very for real. This is advice straight from the mouts if police officers. Trust me. I worked in liquor stores in very, very bad parts of town. I have had several conversations with law enforcment both friends of family and cops that would come into the store.

One thing you best understand, the criminal has more rights than you do, like it or not.

A liquor store (lights are on, you have a counter between you and the intruder, your wife and children aren't sleeping, etc.) is completely different than being at home and waking up to someone trying to break into your house.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:00 PM
I'm not advocating being maniacal about the situation. If someone is down, incapacitated but clearly alive, I'm not going to walk over to kill him. It's going to be up to the ambulance to determine whether he lives or dies.

My point is that the initial onslaught is likely to be more than decisive.

That's why you use a hollow point or a 12 gauge. It won't take more than one round to drop them unless you are using a little 22 or 9mm.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 09:01 PM
Is this a bad advice contest? If so, I apologize. You NEVER fire a warning shot. NEVER

I was iffy about that as well. I took a law enforcement class for 2 years and was told that's the common way to prevent a deadly situation.

:-/

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:01 PM
A liquor store (lights are on, you have a counter between you and the intruder, your wife and children aren't sleeping, etc.) is completely different than being at home and waking up to someone trying to break into your house.

I agree you are granted more liberty in engagment if it is in your house. The fact is though I was at risk a lot more in the stores than most people ever will be in their homes.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:03 PM
I was iffy about that as well. I took a law enforcement class for 2 years and was told that's the common way to prevent a deadly situation.

:-/

I personally would not follw that line of thinking.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 09:03 PM
I am not talking about a tazer you shoot. I am talking about hand held. You engage in hand-hand, I don't have to stab you or slice you or whatever. Don't even have to be on target...just get the taze on you and you will drop.

Fair enough. Still, I think it's reasonable to assume that, if someone doesn't have a gun, they don't have a taser. If you've got an arsenal at your disposal, don't grab a knife. If you have no other weapon, grab the knife and get yourself into a position where you have the drop on the intruder and are close enough to rush him.

If you can run away because nobody else is home, so much the better, but that isn't usually the case in the middle of the night.

TribalElder
12-10-2012, 09:04 PM
If you don't have a revolver called the judge in your home your way behind the curve. I keep the 3" cylinder model on the nightstand. Holds 5 rounds. Round 1 is a 410 shotgun shell shot size 6. Round 2 is size 4 shot 410. Rounds 3 & 4 are triple ot buck. The last round is a hornady 45 long colt hollow point with the plastic tip insert.

Get one of those would be my advice. Call the cops to clean up the mess.
http://www.carinsurance.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Judge.jpg

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
If you don't have a revolver called the judge in your home your way behind the curve. I keep the 3" cylinder model on the nightstand. Holds 5 rounds. Round 1 is a 410 shotgun shell shot size 6. Round 2 is size 4 shot 410. Rounds 3 & 4 are triple ot buck. The last round is a hornady 45 long colt hollow point with the plastic tip insert.

Get one of those would be my advice. Call the cops to clean up the mess.
http://www.carinsurance.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Judge.jpg

You hunt elephant with that thing?

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 09:05 PM
I agree with this. If you are going to fire a round you need to put it center mass.

Yep. A warning shot gives away your location and endangers everyone else in the area. Firing haphazardly inside a house is not a good idea.

Saul Good
12-10-2012, 09:06 PM
I agree you are granted more liberty in engagment if it is in your house. The fact is though I was at risk a lot more in the stores than most people ever will be in their homes.

Absolutely.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:06 PM
Fair enough. Still, I think it's reasonable to assume that, if someone doesn't have a gun, they don't have a taser. If you've got an arsenal at your disposal, don't grab a knife. If you have no other weapon, grab the knife and get yourself into a position where you have the drop on the intruder and are close enough to rush him.

If you can run away because nobody else is home, so much the better, but that isn't usually the case in the middle of the night.

I am not saying that if you have no choice to not use a knife. I am saying that if a knife is my only means of defense then I am looking to bail first but I agree given no other choice that a knife is better than nothing.

TribalElder
12-10-2012, 09:09 PM
You hunt elephant with that thing?

Ha! It's like a handheld jr 12 gauge. Shotgun and pistol combo. Ultimate home defense weapon

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:09 PM
Fact is most times someone enters your house while you are home it is going to be dark, you are going to most likely be waken out of a sleep and scared shitless. This is why I favore a shotgun over other firearms for home defense. While the phrase "point and shoot" is exagerated, it is a lot easier to aim a shotgun than an AR or a .45 when you are shaking, scared and most likley can't see well. There is just a little more room for error.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:10 PM
Ha! It's like a handheld jr 12 gauge. Shotgun and pistol combo. Ultimate home defense weapon

How much recoil does that bad boy kick?

TribalElder
12-10-2012, 09:13 PM
How much recoil does that bad boy kick?

It is the purest feeling I have ever experienced shooting a pistol. It's like a shotgun by the bed without the long barrel? It kicks but it's awesome. Highly recommend for home defense.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:14 PM
It is the purest feeling I have ever experienced shooting a pistol. It's like a shotgun by the bed without the long barrel

That's flipping awesome.

TribalElder
12-10-2012, 09:16 PM
http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm

Gunblast review

Run about 5-600 in mo or kan depending on cylinder size, frame size, and barrel length

Frazod
12-10-2012, 09:18 PM
The whole pounding on the door-jiggling the knob would have gotten a rather unfriendly reaction here. Call the cops, but be ready in case he breaks the door down. Then it's .40 caliber enema time.

LOCOChief
12-10-2012, 09:19 PM
someone that has no business being at my home after I already told them to leave rattling my door knob trying to get in is getting shot, not stabbed tazered or any other wacky rambo bullshit. Got a dog and a 12 and they're both noisy.

petegz28
12-10-2012, 09:20 PM
The whole pounding on the door-jiggling the knob would have gotten a rather unfriendly reaction here. Call the cops, but be ready in case he breaks the door down. Then it's .40 caliber enema time.

This be my .40

http://www.bonzerwolf.com/storage/Beretta-Px4-Storm.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1353852264806

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 09:21 PM
If you don't have a revolver called the judge in your home your way behind the curve. I keep the 3" cylinder model on the nightstand. Holds 5 rounds. Round 1 is a 410 shotgun shell shot size 6. Round 2 is size 4 shot 410. Rounds 3 & 4 are triple ot buck. The last round is a hornady 45 long colt hollow point with the plastic tip insert.

Get one of those would be my advice. Call the cops to clean up the mess.
http://www.carinsurance.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Judge.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/11/quha3yjy.jpg

Frazod
12-10-2012, 09:22 PM
This be my .40.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 09:26 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/11/ujahyvez.jpg

My Glock 37.


.45 G.A.P

Bump
12-10-2012, 09:27 PM
I think my next goal will be to educate myself about firearms and take some classes, lessons and get one. I'll start with a shotgun I think. Honestly, I've only shot a gun once in my life. That was at a friends house and I hit a cotton mouth that was about 10 feet away in the swamp. So I'm sitting with 100% lifetime accuracy, lol

Frazod
12-10-2012, 09:34 PM
I think my next goal will be to educate myself about firearms and take some classes, lessons and get one. I'll start with a shotgun I think. Honestly, I've only shot a gun once in my life. That was at a friends house and I hit a cotton mouth that was about 10 feet away in the swamp. So I'm sitting with 100% lifetime accuracy, lol

Good home defense gun for a beginner. Very hard to miss. Has a lovely OH SHIT factor as well.

Inmem58
12-10-2012, 09:35 PM
Good home defense gun for a beginner. Very hard to miss. Has a lovely OH SHIT factor as well.

They'll make a mess too. Have some extra bleach and 409 handy.

LiveSteam
12-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Ill have the Colt walker.Smokey but effective. The 11 year old can shoot the 45 pretty well.

http://www.americanhandgunner.com/~hrank/ah/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1b.jpg

Sorter
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
I think my next goal will be to educate myself about firearms and take some classes, lessons and get one. I'll start with a shotgun I think. Honestly, I've only shot a gun once in my life. That was at a friends house and I hit a cotton mouth that was about 10 feet away in the swamp. So I'm sitting with 100% lifetime accuracy, lol

Illegal and reported to MO Conservation Agents.


;)

Predarat
12-11-2012, 07:46 AM
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

3rd&48ers
12-11-2012, 07:54 AM
Get a gun Son, don't dial 911

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 07:55 AM
Damn Faider fans trying to break in and get yo weed!!!

WhiteWhale
12-11-2012, 07:55 AM
After the weed wore off he finally remembered calling that plumber. :D

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 07:57 AM
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens

Predarat
12-11-2012, 08:02 AM
That is creepy knocking loudly and trying to break the door knob off like he did, that is forced entry. Especially after you told him you did not need a plumber and to go away. In the good states you would be able to kill him to death, especially if he had successfully broke in, not so much the wussy bad states.

3rd&48ers
12-11-2012, 08:10 AM
Why don't this kind of shit ever happen to me?

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 08:14 AM
Why don't this kind of shit ever happen to me?

Tough to get past those iron bars.

Frazod
12-11-2012, 08:22 AM
Why don't this kind of shit ever happen to me?

You need indoor plumbing first.

Dartgod
12-11-2012, 08:42 AM
You sure it wasn't a land shark?

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 08:43 AM
Could have just been a ginger itching for a new freckle

Fish
12-11-2012, 08:50 AM
You've got a taser, I've got a knife, and I'm within three body lengths of you, and you're dead.

Yeah... I saw your Youtube video. You're totally hardcore....

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scott free
12-11-2012, 09:09 AM
Nah, Fish, **** that gun or taser... ya just gotta get in real close ya see, then ya just stick'im like a frog, its easy...he learned that as a LRRP back in Nam.

Setsuna
12-11-2012, 09:35 AM
The solution to all of this is to own a Sword. Preferably a Longsword. Maybe dual wield those bad boys. To combat a gun, use a shield to get in range and then cut him up with your longsword. PBJ

Lzen
12-11-2012, 09:38 AM
I've pulled several triggers, just not towards someone. If someone is kicking my door in then. You have to react calmly. You can't just go bat shit with the trigger. A few friendly rounds, to try an scare the intruder will do. If you give him a warning or two and doesn't listen, then you pop him one. Keep shooting until the threat is gone. Meaning he's no longer walking towards you. He still could be standing, just not moving. The threat is gone. If he reaches for something then I would shoot until he drops. Basically killing him.

Sheesh, I think living in Kalifornia has warped your brain. :doh!:

Lzen
12-11-2012, 09:46 AM
Bump,
That was kind of dangerous of you to call the cops. I mean, they could have been partners with a crystal meth cook or something and they could have just killed you.

Frazod
12-11-2012, 10:03 AM
I've pulled several triggers, just not towards someone. If someone is kicking my door in then. You have to react calmly. You can't just go bat shit with the trigger. A few friendly rounds, to try an scare the intruder will do. If you give him a warning or two and doesn't listen, then you pop him one. Keep shooting until the threat is gone. Meaning he's no longer walking towards you. He still could be standing, just not moving. The threat is gone. If he reaches for something then I would shoot until he drops. Basically killing him.

:spock:

So, let me get this straight. You plan to fire off a few "friendly" warning shots to scare off somebody banging on your door? Which part of your house do you plan to shoot up with these friendly rounds?

There's no such thing as a friendly round discharged in your house. Trust me on this.

Bump
12-11-2012, 10:04 AM
Illegal and reported to MO Conservation Agents.


;)

I'm pretty sure the statute of limitations has passed on that lol. That had to be about 15 years ago and it was in south Kansas.

dirk digler
12-11-2012, 10:18 AM
:spock:

So, let me get this straight. You plan to fire off a few "friendly" warning shots to scare off somebody banging on your door? Which part of your house do you plan to shoot up with these friendly rounds?

There's no such thing as a friendly round discharged in your house. Trust me on this.

Yep.


And for those that are discounting knives they are very good in close combat settings

Bump
12-11-2012, 10:29 AM
Yep.


And for those that are discounting knives they are very good in close combat settings

I'm no skilled fighter, but I'd figure a knife is better than nothing. Of course there is always the possibility the other guy is a better fighter than me and could take the knife and stab me with it, lol. But I think I would rather have a knife than nothing.

kcfanXIII
12-11-2012, 10:44 AM
You can't kill somebody just because they kick your door in. You have to be in some sort of life or death situation.

false. you kick in my door, you are dead if you don't have a warrant. in missouri, i wouldn't serve a day in jail either.

Lzen
12-11-2012, 10:46 AM
false. you kick in my door, you are dead if you don't have a warrant. in missouri, i wouldn't serve a day in jail either.

Exactly! He said that as if someone kicking in your door isn't what a normal, rational person would consider a life or death situation. I'm pretty sure the courts would recognize that as such.

dirk digler
12-11-2012, 10:46 AM
I'm no skilled fighter, but I'd figure a knife is better than nothing. Of course there is always the possibility the other guy is a better fighter than me and could take the knife and stab me with it, lol. But I think I would rather have a knife than nothing.

You are right. If you are defending yourself in your house you have the advantage and know all the good places to conceal yourself to make the strike.

If you are at the O.K. corral then you are screwed

Bump
12-11-2012, 10:49 AM
You are right. If you are defending yourself in your house you have the advantage and know all the good places to conceal yourself to make the strike.

If you are at the O.K. corral then you are screwed

this actually would be a great house to bug in. 2 ways in here, the front door is a great choke point and I could easily block the back door and nobody could get up here.

Dayze
12-11-2012, 11:20 AM
:spock:

So, let me get this straight. You plan to fire off a few "friendly" warning shots to scare off somebody banging on your door? Which part of your house do you plan to shoot up with these friendly rounds?

There's no such thing as a friendly round discharged in your house. Trust me on this.

the refridgerator, obviously.:D

Bump
12-11-2012, 11:28 AM
Exactly! He said that as if someone kicking in your door isn't what a normal, rational person would consider a life or death situation. I'm pretty sure the courts would recognize that as such.

Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 278, Section 8(a): In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

Please note: If the criminal intruder is not threatening death or serious bodily injury, the occupant will not be covered by this law and could be charged with murder or manslaughter for using deadly force against said criminal. To be protected by this law an occupant that is prosecuted for using deadly force has the burden of producing a claim of self-defense. Once the occupant shows proof it will be upon the prosecution to prove otherwise.


so the way I understand that, the intruder would have to shoot first basically. If he actually kicked in the door and came in, I couldn't do shit until he charged me or shot at me.

3rd&48ers
12-11-2012, 12:44 PM
Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 278, Section 8(a): In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

Please note: If the criminal intruder is not threatening death or serious bodily injury, the occupant will not be covered by this law and could be charged with murder or manslaughter for using deadly force against said criminal. To be protected by this law an occupant that is prosecuted for using deadly force has the burden of producing a claim of self-defense. Once the occupant shows proof it will be upon the prosecution to prove otherwise.


so the way I understand that, the intruder would have to shoot first basically. If he actually kicked in the door and came in, I couldn't do shit until he charged me or shot at me.

You live in a moonbat state... Move

demonhero
12-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Get a .45 for home defense, and I'd recommend the Judge as well . Now on to that you tube link that was posting in here. When are you taught to wildly swing the sword and hold breathing? You know how I know he is a civilian... single attack strikes.

Predarat
12-11-2012, 01:53 PM
Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 278, Section 8(a): In the prosecution of a person who is an occupant of a dwelling charged with killing or injuring one who was unlawfully in said dwelling, it shall be a defense that the occupant was in his dwelling at the time of the offense and that he acted in the reasonable belief that the person unlawfully in said dwelling was about to inflict great bodily injury or death upon said occupant or upon another person lawfully in said dwelling, and that said occupant used reasonable means to defend himself or such other person lawfully in said dwelling. There shall be no duty on said occupant to retreat from such person unlawfully in said dwelling.

Please note: If the criminal intruder is not threatening death or serious bodily injury, the occupant will not be covered by this law and could be charged with murder or manslaughter for using deadly force against said criminal. To be protected by this law an occupant that is prosecuted for using deadly force has the burden of producing a claim of self-defense. Once the occupant shows proof it will be upon the prosecution to prove otherwise.


so the way I understand that, the intruder would have to shoot first basically. If he actually kicked in the door and came in, I couldn't do shit until he charged me or shot at me.

What a fucking horrible shit for brains law.

BIG_DADDY
12-11-2012, 01:56 PM
Sounds like you just need a real dog.

whoman69
12-11-2012, 02:05 PM
They're after your weed man

Those fiends

http://m0vie.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/batman1966b.jpg?w=468

BIG_DADDY
12-11-2012, 02:09 PM
Were you bumping before all this happened?

Frazod
12-11-2012, 02:16 PM
What a fucking horrible shit for brains law.

Plant a kitchen knife in his dead fucking hand = problem solved.

I guess they assume that some shitbag who breaks into your house just wants to watch TV and have a snack.

LiveSteam
12-11-2012, 02:22 PM
Appeals court overturns Illinois concealed carry law in gun rights victory

http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/2012/12/big_win_for_gun-rights_groups_federal_appeals_court_tosses_state_ban_on_carrying_concealed_weapons.html

Inmem58
12-11-2012, 08:03 PM
If you don't have a revolver called the judge in your home your way behind the curve. I keep the 3" cylinder model on the nightstand. Holds 5 rounds. Round 1 is a 410 shotgun shell shot size 6. Round 2 is size 4 shot 410. Rounds 3 & 4 are triple ot buck. The last round is a hornady 45 long colt hollow point with the plastic tip insert.

Get one of those would be my advice. Call the cops to clean up the mess.
http://www.carinsurance.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Judge.jpg

These are illegal in California lmao.


I have a 45 and a 12 gauge, but I can't own one of these? Fuck you California.

JASONSAUTO
12-11-2012, 08:24 PM
I own the judge too, ultralight, matte stainless. 3" barrel.

Don't come in my house.

Dude running at me is dead. Knife or no. If my gun is in my hand and I'm facing you you aren't making up 12 feet before taking a round to the chest
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