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Count Alex's Losses
12-10-2012, 11:33 PM
OL had one of the worst games of the year. Big Jon, Albert and Stephenson all had negative grades. Big Jon played his worst game of the year.

Jon Baldween got 17 whole pass snaps and 2 targets. Jamar Newsome picked up the slack with 15 pass snaps and 3 targets. ROFL

Tyson Jackson actually had a pretty good game based solely on his run defense (+1.0). He picked up 1 hurry and 1 sack in 30 pass rush snaps....fortunately Justin Houston only rushed 23 times.

Speaking of Houston, he had a terrible game, and easily his worst of the year with a -1.7. So did Poe with a -2.8.

Slightly impressed with Jalil Brown for once. He was targeted 5 times and only gave up 9 yards. Not so much impressed with Javy Arenass, who gave up 4 catches for 51 yards on 4 targets.

Tysyn Hartman played 69 snaps and had a +1.9. That's good work for a guy who has barely played at all. He might be a guy to watch.

Our front seven got abused by the Browns. Their entire OL graded at least +2.2 or higher. That's pretty rare. That's basically what the 03 Chiefs OL used to do most weeks.

Here's a fun stat: Brandon Flowers has only allowed 45.6% of the passes thrown his way to be caught this year. That's 4th best in the league.

On the opposite side: Only one safety has allowed more yards in coverage than Eric Berry. Ouch.

Chiefspants
12-10-2012, 11:35 PM
OL had one of the worst games of the year. Big Jon, Albert and Stephenson all had negative grades. Big Jon played his worst game of the year.

Jon Baldween got 17 whole pass snaps and 2 targets. Jamar Newsome picked up the slack with 15 pass snaps and 3 targets. ROFL

Tyson Jackson actually had a pretty good game based solely on his run defense (+1.0). He picked up 1 hurry and 1 sack in 30 pass rush snaps....fortunately Justin Houston only rushed 23 times.

Speaking of Houston, he had a terrible game, and easily his worst of the year with a -1.7. So did Poe with a -2.8.

Slightly impressed with Jalil Brown for once. He was targeted 5 times and only gave up 9 yards. Not so much impressed with Javy Arenass, who gave up 4 catches for 51 yards on 4 targets.

Tysyn Hartman played 69 snaps and had a +1.9. That's good work for a guy who has barely played at all. He might be a guy to watch.

Our front seven got abused by the Browns. Their entire OL graded at least +2.2 or higher. That's pretty rare. That's basically what the 03 Chiefs OL used to do most weeks.

Here's a fun stat: Brandon Flowers has only allowed 45.6% of the passes thrown his way to be caught this year. That's 4th best in the league.

On the opposite side: Only one safety has allowed more yards in coverage than Eric Berry. Ouch.

Really wish they'd put Berry in Hartman's position, it's obviously that major changes need to be made with his role in the defense.

Rain Man
12-10-2012, 11:37 PM
I forgot that Eric Berry was on the team.

Seriously, what's wrong with him this year? Is the knee not back, or did he just regress badly with a year off? He has been completely invisible all year.

Count Alex's Losses
12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
I don't think his knee is healthy whatsoever.

I also think he had the worst knee injury of the three guys, and he injured it twice. Once on the initial hit, and again when he was forced back into the game.

Moeaki and Charles have looked much much better the last month. You can tell they're getting those knees almost back to 100 percent now. I think Berry will need the offseason to get back to where he was.

Saccopoo
12-10-2012, 11:45 PM
On the opposite side: Only one safety has allowed more yards in coverage than Eric Berry. Ouch.

Reminds me of the time around the 2010 NFL Draft when this one guy around here said it was nuts to pick a safety in the top five and the Chiefs should draft TJ Ward or Morgan Burnett later in the draft versus drafting Berry at #5.

I wonder how many here went out and purchased Berry jerseys thinking that he was going to be the saviour of this team.

Dicky McElephant
12-10-2012, 11:46 PM
Berry needs to be moved to FS and we need to draft an actual SS.

Saccopoo
12-10-2012, 11:49 PM
I don't think his knee is healthy whatsoever.

I also think he had the worst knee injury of the three guys, and he injured it twice. Once on the initial hit, and again when he was forced back into the game.

Moeaki and Charles have looked much much better the last month. You can tell they're getting those knees almost back to 100 percent now. I think Berry will need the offseason to get back to where he was.

He has struggled in pass protection from Day 1 in the NFL. During his rookie season he was routinely abused by almost every TE we played against.

It hasn't changed.

I like the guy and he's got a great attitude (from what I can see), but it's beginning to look like a bust level pick at this point - especially considering the level of production of other safetys taken in that same draft.

Saccopoo
12-10-2012, 11:52 PM
Berry needs to be moved to FS and we need to draft an actual SS.

In Crennel's defense, they are almost interchangable positions.

I think it's more of a problem of him not being very good in pass protection more than anything else at this point versus him playing out of position.

He and Taylor Mays were both free lance type guys at the safety position in college and were given huge leeway in terms of actual assignments because of their insane physical gifts. Neither have done much in terms of translating their athletic ability into actual on-the-field production at the next level.

Count Alex's Losses
12-10-2012, 11:55 PM
Yeah but he's easily worse this year in pass coverage. The guy actually had a whole slew of green games in coverage at the end of 2010.

We'll know more next year.

Sorter
12-10-2012, 11:56 PM
He has struggled in pass protection from Day 1 in the NFL. During his rookie season he was routinely abused by almost every TE we played against.

It hasn't changed.

I like the guy and he's got a great attitude (from what I can see), but it's beginning to look like a bust level pick at this point - especially considering the level of production of other safetys taken in that same draft.

The problem stems from Eric being assigned to play man-coverage in a LB spot in nearly/if not all of our passing downs. If he was allowed to get more looks as a safety in a 2 deep or even a lurk/robber look, I feel you'd see better results.

He doesn't need to be stuck playing man coverage. He simply isn't that good at it to be doing it on nearly 2/3 snaps per series.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:02 AM
In Crennel's defense, they are almost interchangable positions.



Not quite. Romeo traditionally operates out of one sub package, a 2-3-6 look in which Berry plays a LB role. Quite different than the roles of a traditional FS such as Lewis.

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/638/640/Frust-Mann7_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=433&q=85

Here you can see said package, with Berry playing inside leverage on Dreesen.

Saccopoo
12-11-2012, 12:04 AM
The problem stems from Eric being assigned to play man-coverage in a LB spot in nearly/if not all of our passing downs. If he was allowed to get more looks as a safety in a 2 deep or even a lurk/robber look, I feel you'd see better results.

He doesn't need to be stuck playing man coverage. He simply isn't that good at it to be doing it on nearly 2/3 snaps per series.

He was a top five pick. As a safety.

He should be destroying guys in man coverage, especially with his athletic ability.

Right now, it looks like his college numbers were the effect of playing rogue in Monte Kiffin's Cover 2 versus his actual football instincts/capabilities.

He should have been Paul Krause. Right now, he's a really, really small Mike linebacker. That's a busted pick in my book and another shit bag Pioli first round pick.

He's the defensive equivilent of Baldwin. Supreme athletic gifts and just can't play the game (at least to the level his draft pick should dictate).

Count Alex's Losses
12-11-2012, 12:04 AM
Berry was fucking blitzing on that 50-yard TD by the Panthers Greg Olsen 2 weeks ago. We had Lewis and Elam playing safety.

Romeo is a tard.

RunKC
12-11-2012, 12:04 AM
This safety class is stacked with very good safety talent. Draft one in the 2nd or 3rd round tell Kendrick Lewis to sit the bench.

My favorites are Lester and the two Georgia Safeties. Preferably Rambo, because he's a hard hitter and his name is Baccari motherfucking RAMBO.

Count Alex's Losses
12-11-2012, 12:06 AM
He's the defensive equivilent of Baldwin. Supreme athletic gifts and just can't play the game (at least to the level his draft pick should dictate).

That's not fair. Go back and watch the Ravens playoff game. Berry was absolutely awesome in coverage that day.

The guy's knee isn't right.

RunKC
12-11-2012, 12:07 AM
Berry was ****ing blitzing on that 50-yard TD by the Panthers Greg Olsen 2 weeks ago. We had Lewis and Elam playing safety.

Romeo is a tard.

Or the Trent Richardson TD that was called back. Why the fuck was Houston in coverage on 3rd down? He should NEVER be dropping back on any 3rd down situation.

SOB Romeo.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:07 AM
He was a top five pick. As a safety.

He should be destroying guys in man coverage, especially with his athletic ability.

Right now, it looks like his college numbers were the effect of playing rogue in Monte Kiffin's Cover 2 versus his actual football instincts/capabilities.

He should have been Paul Krause. Right now, he's a really, really small Mike linebacker. That's a busted pick in my book and another shit bag Pioli first round pick.

He's the defensive equivilent of Baldwin. Supreme athletic gifts and just can't play the game (at least to the level his draft pick should dictate).

I definitely think he needs one more year due to the ACL injury. If he still can't perform, then he's a bust IMO. I'd still like to see us upgrade the position with 2 new safety additions (unless Hartman shows he can be productive).

Count Alex's Losses
12-11-2012, 12:07 AM
This is a nice bash on Poe.

While the choice of Dontari Poe (-2.8) hasn’t been a complete disaster, he’s hardly lived up to the 11th pick used to select him, as a run-stuffer or pass-rusher.

Poe’s 11 total pressures (zero in this game) from 314 rush attempts means he should probably be taking a break on third down. Instead, the defensive lineman has played 73% of all snaps including 49 more snaps against the pass than the run.

That said his play in the running game has also been lackluster and here he lost out to Alex Mack more often than not. On Montario Hardesty’s 25 yard scamper, watch the ease with which Mack pushes him back, to his knees and out of the play.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:08 AM
That's not fair. Go back and watch the Ravens playoff game. Berry was absolutely awesome in coverage that day.

The guy's knee isn't right.

He definitely needs another year for evaluation.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:09 AM
This is a nice bash on Poe.

To be fair, Alex Mack isn't exactly chopped liver. I think we all knew that Poe wasn't going to be very good this year.

RunKC
12-11-2012, 12:10 AM
This is a nice bash on Poe.

You mean to tell me a rookie got his ass kicked by a pro bowler?

Count Alex's Losses
12-11-2012, 12:11 AM
I didn't say it was fair.

Saccopoo
12-11-2012, 12:15 AM
Not quite. Romeo traditionally operates out of one sub package, a 2-3-6 look in which Berry plays a LB role. Quite different than the roles of a traditional FS such as Lewis. Here you can see said package, with Berry playing inside leverage on Dreesen.

Oh, I know what his role is in the third down/passing down sub-packages. He has to be that guy because of the personnel/design. But it still doesn't explain his continual break downs in coverage regardless of the package being put out.

And it may be as simple as what Clay said and that Romeo is a complete tard.

I find it hard to believe that with all these first rounders on the defensive side of the ball that they are all that fucking bad. Romeo could simply be the guy who is destroying their actual capabilities.

And that's why I'm willing to give all these guys the benefit of the doubt. Jackson, Bailey, Berry, Brown, Johnson, et al, should all be better than what they are showing on any given Sunday. The only guy who is a constant is Hali, and that's because he's really only asked to do one thing, and that's rush the passer.

We really need to purge these dipshits from this organization. There isn't a guy on this coaching staff who knows shit from shinola, of if they do, they are terrified of being another victim of the Inquisition like Haley.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:17 AM
Eh, I think Jackson you can remove from that list. As big of a Bailey homer as I am, he probably needs to be upgraded too.

I really think we have to wait until next year to fairly evaluate him. Personally, I think if we switch to a fire-zone based scheme, Eric could do wonders.

Count Alex's Losses
12-11-2012, 12:18 AM
The real talent still shines through, though (Houston), so I don't buy that.

I'd say our problem is 75 percent shitty picks, 25 percent dumbass coaching.

Saccopoo
12-11-2012, 12:20 AM
To be fair, Alex Mack isn't exactly chopped liver. I think we all knew that Poe wasn't going to be very good this year.

I really wish we drafted Mack in 2009. Best college center I've ever seen.

I hate Pioli.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:22 AM
I really wish we drafted Mack in 2009. Best college center I've ever seen.

I hate Pioli.

Really liked him coming out too. :(

keg in kc
12-11-2012, 12:46 AM
The real talent still shines through, though (Houston), so I don't buy that.

I'd say our problem is 75 percent shitty picks, 25 percent dumbass coaching.40% shitty QB, 40% shitty coaching, 30% shitty picks, -5% shitty math.

keg in kc
12-11-2012, 12:49 AM
He definitely needs another year for evaluation.ACL's are still generally a 2 year injury. You get back on the field in anywhere from 6-12 months, but it takes longer to really get your legs all the way back under you.

Chiefspants
12-11-2012, 12:58 AM
ACL's are still generally a 2 year injury. You get back on the field in anywhere from 6-12 months, but it takes longer to really get your legs all the way back under you.

Charles is just a force of nature.

Sorter
12-11-2012, 12:58 AM
ACL's are still generally a 2 year injury. You get back on the field in anywhere from 6-12 months, but it takes longer to really get your legs all the way back under you.

Yup.

aturnis
12-11-2012, 01:08 AM
You can tell Berry is getting beat b/c of his knee a lot of times. He started his rookie year shaky, but came on strong late that year. This year, it's like he can't turn with the TE. I hope another year helps... Should get himself some stem cells....

KCrockaholic
12-11-2012, 01:33 AM
And Berry is the one I thought would come back the fastest from the injury :(

But think of it this way, this isn't Berry's third NFL season. It's really only his second. Combine that with his injury, and Romeo putting him in bad situations, and it makes it hard for him right now. If he falls flat next year, then he's a bust. But I'd be very surprised if that's the case.

One thing he needs to work on is wrapping up to tackle.

keg in kc
12-11-2012, 01:50 AM
Charles is just a force of nature.Even with him you've seen him get stronger and more confident during the year.

DaneMcCloud
12-11-2012, 02:00 AM
I'd say our problem is 75 percent shitty picks, 25 percent dumbass coaching.

Welcome to the NFL

DaneMcCloud
12-11-2012, 02:01 AM
I really wish we drafted Mack in 2009. Best college center I've ever seen.

I hate Pioli.

I agree.

Yet when I said I wanted the Chiefs to move back and take him, I was met with scorn here.

bowener
12-11-2012, 03:16 AM
Adrian Peterson is a mother fucking GOD.

FYP

Easy 6
12-11-2012, 07:46 AM
The only thing the D seemed to do right was play the run, richardson and hardesty did next to nothing most of the day.

But i guess that and a nickel will get me a hot cup of jack squat.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-11-2012, 07:56 AM
You can tell Berry is getting beat b/c of his knee a lot of times. He started his rookie year shaky, but came on strong late that year. This year, it's like he can't turn with the TE. I hope another year helps... Should get himself some stem cells....

Maybe a few will fall out of Peyton's pocket that last game in Pile High :thumb: