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Frazod
02-04-2013, 06:48 PM
So....you post the article, you agree with the article in a general, unspecific sort of way, but anything that the article got wrong doesn't much matter because it's the larger scope of the article that matters.

Your position now is "well, I didn't write and I don't swear by any of it, but because there's alot of stuff there, almost certainly SOME of it is true, so yeah, THAT"

errr...ok.

How about this -- the concept is pretty f'n ridiculous. Believe whatever you want, but to suggest an NFL-managed conspiracy against KC is just asinine.

The Colts? They were near the top of the NFL for almost 10 years, won a SB, went to another, were in many BIG games. Do they have any more of a market than KC? Nope.

The Bears? They had one decent year and a few not-suck years since the Payton era, and have otherwise generally been mediocre, DESPITE being in as big a market as you can get. Hell, on balance they've been pretty damn medicore for the entire Super Bowl era. Damn near 50 years and ONE Super Bowl win, and one loss, and that's it. Hell, the Ravens have been to as many Super Bowls in their 15 or so years of existence, and won both.

Philadelphia Eagles? 50 years and 2 SB appearances, BOTH losses.

The Jets? The laughingstocks of the NFL since Richard Fucking Nixon, despite being in NYC. Yeah, the Giants are there too, but they still have ALOT of fans.

The Patriots SUCKED for 40 freaking years and it wasn't a conspiracy until ten years ago, when SUDDENLY the NFL said "oh, Boston is a big East Coast city, let's give them a zillion wins and make them dominant." New ownershp and Parcells and Bledsoe and Brady and Belichick had nothing to do with it, I'm sure.

Redskins are as big as big market teams get, but have SUCKED since Clinton was in office?

Let's face it, you just cherry pick the facts that seem to support your crackpot theory and ignore the millions of facts that don't, while acting like the rest of us are suckers and lemmings for being too stupid to see the obvious reality that the NFL is fixed. Yeah, no. Take off the blinders and see all the OTHER fcts that go against what you're saying.

You're reply is fucking ridiculous. It assumes that, among other things, the game hasn't evolved into a multi-billion dollar mega business over the years, that poorly run/managed teams won't be poorly run/managed no matter where they are located, and that Peyton Manning never generated any interest or jersey sales out of Indiana. Brilliant! :rolleyes:

listopencil
02-04-2013, 07:19 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say it. Ray Lewis is a piece of shit, and the refs licked the Ravens' balls all the way to a Super Bowl victory.

Frazod
02-04-2013, 07:22 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say it. Ray Lewis is a piece of shit, and the refs licked the Ravens' balls all the way to a Super Bowl victory.

Substitute Jerome Bettis for Ray Lewis, and Steelers for Ravens, and you have Super Bowl XL. Except this one wasn't nearly as blatant.

Gadzooks
02-04-2013, 07:43 PM
Here's a good video:
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Frazod
02-04-2013, 07:57 PM
Here's a good video:
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You realize you're responsible for the entire content of that video, right?

I spotted a couple of typos - they're your responsibility as well. I'm sure that tegu idiot will be happy to point them out for you.

Gadzooks
02-04-2013, 08:05 PM
You realize you're responsible for the entire content of that video, right?

I spotted a couple of typos - they're your responsibility as well. I'm sure that tegu idiot will be happy to point them out for you.

I wasn't me man, but I'm standing here saying that all of the sports men love are as scripted as the soap operas our broads watch.
NFL, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, NLL, MLS, you ****in' name it. They're all fixed. It's all about the mighty $ and we're all being duped.
(BTW -Go Chargers).

Frazod
02-04-2013, 08:15 PM
I wasn't me man, but I'm standing here saying that all of the sports men love are as scripted as the soap operas our broads watch.
NFL, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, NLL, MLS, you ****in' name it. They're all fixed. It's all about the mighty $ and we're all being duped.
(BTW -Go Chargers).

Amnodix will be along shortly to explain how you're delusional, that the NFL is completely legitimate, and that making money always takes a back seat to integrity in corporate America. :drool:

Gadzooks
02-04-2013, 08:26 PM
Amnodix will be along shortly to explain how you're delusional, that the NFL is completely legitimate, and that making money always takes a back seat to integrity in corporate America. :drool:

That sounds fun. :drool:

kysirsoze
02-04-2013, 08:43 PM
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kysirsoze
02-04-2013, 08:44 PM
I might start looking at matchups purely based on who's winning would benefit the league or which team needs a new stadium/owner forbetting purposes. I could retire in a few years.

Frazod
02-04-2013, 08:50 PM
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Heh. I always pictured Amno being a bit older.

kysirsoze
02-04-2013, 09:00 PM
Without independently verifying it and just taking the article as correct on this, the single most damning thing it says, IMO, is that the NFL considers itself "entertainment" and not "sport". That looks like a huge ass covering. I'd be interested to know if there's another possible explanation. (Apologies if it's been covered in the thread. Haven't read the whole thing.)

listopencil
02-04-2013, 09:20 PM
Without independently verifying it and just taking the article as correct on this, the single most damning thing it says, IMO, is that the NFL considers itself "entertainment" and not "sport". That looks like a huge ass covering. I'd be interested to know if there's another possible explanation. (Apologies if it's been covered in the thread. Haven't read the whole thing.)

I think that was in the story about the lawsuit that the Jets fan filed. The ruling was that the NFL is entertainment, so a fan that buys a ticket only purchases the ability to view whatever the NFL slaps onto the field that day.

Pin Head
02-04-2013, 09:58 PM
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llol...Arrowhead is rife with this.

kysirsoze
02-04-2013, 10:00 PM
I think that was in the story about the lawsuit that the Jets fan filed. The ruling was that the NFL is entertainment, so a fan that buys a ticket only purchases the ability to view whatever the NFL slaps onto the field that day.

Ugh. This is all a little too depressing.

mr. tegu
02-04-2013, 10:02 PM
:clap:

You got me, spanky. Sorry I didn't have time to pour over a 200+ post thread for that nearly two-month old post. I just assumed you were that fucking stupid because that's basically all I've seen from you, on those rare occasions when I bother to notice.

Enjoy your little victory, though. I'm sure you don't get many of them.

BTW, does your opinion hold for everybody who agreed with me (you must have noticed them while doing your digging) or just me?

You are so intellectually limited. Every take you have ever had amounts to one thing, "you don't believe the conspiracy and/or you don't agree with me, therefore you are stupid."

As I recalled the others in the thread weren't as committed to the article and in defense of it. You caught my eye because every thread about every conspiracy has something with you saying gubbmerment lemmings or something else stupid to those that question the conspiracy. It is just so funny because you call others lemmings for believing "official" stories but you defend the conspiracy explanations just as blindly. See anything wrong with that?

I am sure most people will acknowledge fixing occurs, myself included, but beyond that the narratives and story line conspiracies are just too far fetched.

Frazod
02-04-2013, 10:07 PM
You are so intellectually limited. Every take you have ever had amounts to one thing, "you don't believe the conspiracy and/or you don't agree with me, therefore you are stupid."

As I recalled the others in the thread weren't as committed to the article and in defense of it. You caught my eye because every thread about every conspiracy has something with you saying gubbmerment lemmings or something else stupid to those that question the conspiracy. It is just so funny because you call others lemmings for believing "official" stories but you defend the conspiracy explanations just as blindly. See anything wrong with that?

I am sure most people will acknowledge fixing occurs, myself included, but beyond that the narratives and story line conspiracies are just too far fetched.

Yep. I'm the only one. Nobody else believes this stuff - it's just me. LMAO

Hey, if you're too much of a pussy to call anybody else out, that's okay. It's not like I need any help.

mr. tegu
02-04-2013, 10:10 PM
I spotted a couple of typos - they're your responsibility as well. I'm sure that tegu idiot will be happy to point them out for you.

Typos...LOL Maybe you should have checked yourself before making such a jackass out of yourself.

Nzoner
02-04-2013, 10:22 PM
I am sure most people will acknowledge fixing occurs, myself included, but beyond that the narratives and story line conspiracies are just too far fetched.

Don't know if you've read the entire thread and if not you really should try and find a copy of Moldea's Interference:How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football.

That said,like you,I acknowledge fixing goes on,not in every game but enough that anyone who watches enough pro football and compares the Vegas lines and over/unders has got to at least see that some of this shit is all about the money.

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-King-
02-04-2013, 10:32 PM
You're reply is fucking ridiculous. It assumes that, among other things, the game hasn't evolved into a multi-billion dollar mega business over the years, that poorly run/managed teams won't be poorly run/managed no matter where they are located, and that Peyton Manning never generated any interest or jersey sales out of Indiana. Brilliant! :rolleyes:

Why the hell would they even care about Jersey sales in Indiana? Why not fix it for Chicago which has a bigger population(metro) than the entire state of Indiana?

Your whole theory makes no sense. If they were fixing it to make money, there's no reason at all Indiana would be anywhere close to their priorities. The NFL would have made at least 20x more money if Chicago was a perennial contender than they did with the Colts.

GoChargers
02-04-2013, 10:43 PM
Without independently verifying it and just taking the article as correct on this, the single most damning thing it says, IMO, is that the NFL considers itself "entertainment" and not "sport". That looks like a huge ass covering.

Isn't that the same line of bullshit that the WWE covers their asses with? ROFL

Anyway, I actually don't have any qualms with the officiating in the Super Bowl now that it's all said and done. They actually let the players play. Roger probably just gave up on the rigging once his favorite teams were all eliminated.

Frazod
02-04-2013, 10:47 PM
Why the hell would they even care about Jersey sales in Indiana? Why not fix it for Chicago which has a bigger population(metro) than the entire state of Indiana?

Your whole theory makes no sense. If they were fixing it to make money, there's no reason at all Indiana would be anywhere close to their priorities. The NFL would have made at least 20x more money if Chicago was a perennial contender than they did with the Colts.

:facepalm:

The point is that Manning's popularity extended far beyond the narrow confines of Indiana. Remember when Montana came to Kansas City? For those two years damned near every Chief game was televised locally in Chicago (people who didn't like them/got sick of watching them used to say that NBC stood for "Nothing But Chiefs"). A bankable superstar who generates national interest can transform a small market team. Apparently you were sleeping during the decade of endless MANNING VERSUS BRADY!!!!! hype.

As for the Bears, again, the league doesn't seem to be able to stop teams from making shitty decisions.

GoChargers
02-04-2013, 10:52 PM
You're reply is fucking ridiculous. It assumes that, among other things, the game hasn't evolved into a multi-billion dollar mega business over the years, that poorly run/managed teams won't be poorly run/managed no matter where they are located, and that Peyton Manning never generated any interest or jersey sales out of Indiana. Brilliant! :rolleyes:

Are you really surprised that a Pats fan is automatically and reflexively sucking the NFL's dick? It's real easy to toe the party line when your team is benefiting from the fix, just sayin'.

Frazod
02-04-2013, 10:58 PM
Are you really surprised that a Pats fan is automatically and reflexively sucking the NFL's dick? It's real easy to toe the party line when your team is benefiting from the fix, just sayin'.

No, I wasn't. If Goodell told him the sky was green, he'd buy into it.

tk13
02-04-2013, 11:10 PM
I will say that Steelers/Chargers game he posted up there was a weird, weird, weird game. I've never bought into these huge overarching storylines but that individual game was fishy. I don't know how you could argue otherwise.

tk13
02-04-2013, 11:15 PM
What made that game weird was they actually reviewed that play... said it wasn't a TD after like 10 minutes... then the official said after the game it should've been a TD. Uh, okay then.

The closing line at most casinos was the Steelers by 4 1/2 points. So even when Pittsburgh’s field goal with 15 seconds left changed the score from 10-8 Chargers to 11-10 Steelers, the Chargers were still the winners in Las Vegas, on the betting front. Even a successful Hail Mary from San Diego on its one final play wouldn’t change the outcome of those wagers.

But then Philip Rivers threw to LaDainian Tomlinson, who lateraled to Chris Chambers, whose apparent lateral was tipped by Troy Polamalu — who ran it into the end zone for an apparent Pittsburgh touchdown. (Link to NFL.com video here — play begins at 3:46.) All of a sudden it was Steelers 17, Chargers 10. Pittsburgh had covered, 0:00 stood on the clock, and those with Steelers slips went completely berserk.

“I went downstairs and started smashing things,” Sevransky said. He had good reason — his top pick this week was to take the Chargers and the points, and his 100-or-so clients had just lost a bundle on one of the silliest, craziest, how-in-the-world-did-that-happenest bad beats of all time. Sevransky doesn’t disclose his own wagers, but for a professional handicapper like him, chances are it was in the $4,000 to $10,000 range.

“I took an old piece of pottery that was kind of sitting around and made pieces of it against the wall,” Sevransky said. (For the record, he owns.) But then, like everyone else in the pro betting community, Sevransky’s telephone and instant-messaging gizmos started flashing like the Las Vegas strip itself. Apparently that last play was being reviewed. Eyes refocused on the CBS game feed to find out what had happened, but for several minutes little help came. At one point, the referee signaled “touchdown,” only ripping open the wounds again.

A few minutes later, undoubtedly eager to cue up its “60 Minutes” exclusive with the two nobodies named Michelle and Barack Obama, CBS did briefly flash an 11-10 final for a few seconds. Jim Nantz and Phil Simms coughed out some hesitant words under their breath about how the play appeared to have been reversed. But when the network signed off and the “60 Minutes” stopwatch started ticking, confusion still reigned.

--

ESPN.com was no help; fans clicking on the scoreboard there for those key few minutes found a 17-10 final posted, but an explanation underneath that the call had been reversed. Talk about having your betting slip and eating it, too.

In the end, word finally whooshed down Las Vegas Boulevard that, yes, the play was reversed — that one of the laterals was in fact an illegal forward pass, meaning the ball was dead at that point, regardless of what Polamalu decided to do with it afterward. The final score was 11-10, period, and only those who had Chargers slips could go to the window for their winnings.

“I can remember some crazy bad beats — when the final play changes things at the last second,” Sevransky said. “And this happens in the N.B.A. from time to time, when a final buzzer shot could get waved off and the final score changes. But after the game, a 10-minute gap trying to figure out what the actual score was? After the game had gone off the air with everyone waiting? I can’t think of a game like that.”

But wait, there’s more. After the game, the referee Scott Green said that Polamalu’s touchdown in fact should have counted, and Pittsburgh should have won, 17-10. But this matter is quite certainly closed with respect to wagering — the league will not change the score, and even if it did, sports books can’t get money back from Chargers bettors they’ve already paid. And they aren’t in the business of paying twice.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/steelers-chargers-chaos-rattles-vegas-strip/

GoChargers
02-04-2013, 11:18 PM
I remember that game, and I don't think it was fixed. I think that was just another example of the complete incompetence of NFL refs - a whole other issue.

Amnorix
02-05-2013, 10:38 AM
You're reply is fucking ridiculous. It assumes that, among other things, the game hasn't evolved into a multi-billion dollar mega business over the years, that poorly run/managed teams won't be poorly run/managed no matter where they are located, and that Peyton Manning never generated any interest or jersey sales out of Indiana. Brilliant! :rolleyes:


What's better for the multi-billion dollar business, to "manage" wins and RISK EVERYTHING if word gets out, or to let the game play out the way it will play out, and reap the harvest of an incredibly successful enterprise.

Your mistake is in thinking the NFL will make massive amounts MORE by managing who wins and when. The risk/reward just isn't there because they make a shit-ton of money even when the Baltimore Nevermores win it all.

Amnorix
02-05-2013, 10:42 AM
I will also note that if the NFL is fixed, then so is every sport, if the theory is that "big money leads to fixed results".

So your conspiracy just grew tenfold, and yet NOBODY has ever squealed on this. Yeah, that's likely...

It just doesn't add up. It literally makes no sense. The Patriots win the SB after 9/11? Why require a miracle kick in the snow? Why not have it be a NEW YORK team for God's sake? And why did the Saints win years after Katrina instead of right away. Why have Manning and Manning never faced each other in the SB?


Let me spin it another way -- which is MORE likely -- this massive conspiracy you're blabbering about, or that the Chiefs and their front office have been either mediocre (or worse) for a very long time?

mr. tegu
02-05-2013, 10:49 AM
Let me spin it another way -- which is MORE likely -- this massive conspiracy you're blabbering about, or that the Chiefs and their front office have been either mediocre (or worse) for a very long time?

Pioli was a planted NFL operative put in place to make sure the halls were clean and the Ws were kept at a minimum. He did so well in building the dynasty in NE that the NFL so desperately wanted, so they knew he would do really well if his next task was to make sure the Chiefs did not become successful with their next regime.

Reerun_KC
02-05-2013, 10:53 AM
I remember that game, and I don't think it was fixed. I think that was just another example of the complete incompetence of NFL refs - a whole other issue.

Which was funny watching people cry for the regular refs to come back...

NFL officials are one of the worst is all of professional sports... The replacements were no worse than the regulars...

They do everything they can to make themselves more important than the game...

Dayze
02-05-2013, 10:56 AM
if it were fixed, the only thing the refs would need to do would be calling a few defensive PI calls on long balls that weren't caught.

mesmith31
02-05-2013, 10:56 AM
Since we are having fun here. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy AGAINST any particular team. Imagine it much like professional wrestling. How do you determine who will be the champ? Let the people decide. It is a personality driven league. Ray Lewis, Manning, Tom Brady, The Rock etc. The best personalities and talent rise to the top and perhaps that is how decisions are made.

This became extremely apparent in the late 80's NBA, until you had Magic and Bird came of the scene. Then the NBA "got it". People need characters, they need storylines. So like in news, when there isn't a good story you create one. Now you have wives interested in the Superbowl too because Tom and Giselle or whatever the story is this year.

Nzoner
02-05-2013, 11:06 AM
:facepalm:

The point is that Manning's popularity extended far beyond the narrow confines of Indiana. Remember when Montana came to Kansas City? For those two years damned near every Chief game was televised locally in Chicago (people who didn't like them/got sick of watching them used to say that NBC stood for "Nothing But Chiefs"). A bankable superstar who generates national interest can transform a small market team. Apparently you were sleeping during the decade of endless MANNING VERSUS BRADY!!!!! hype.


As I recall the Chiefs were also the top or very near to the top in jersey sales during that period.

Nzoner
02-05-2013, 11:16 AM
And why did the Saints win years after Katrina instead of right away.

To rebuild the city and The Superdome?

Amnorix
02-05-2013, 01:18 PM
Since we are having fun here. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy AGAINST any particular team. Imagine it much like professional wrestling. How do you determine who will be the champ? Let the people decide. It is a personality driven league. Ray Lewis, Manning, Tom Brady, The Rock etc. The best personalities and talent rise to the top and perhaps that is how decisions are made.

This became extremely apparent in the late 80's NBA, until you had Magic and Bird came of the scene. Then the NBA "got it". People need characters, they need storylines. So like in news, when there isn't a good story you create one. Now you have wives interested in the Superbowl too because Tom and Giselle or whatever the story is this year.


Pats haven't won since Tom and Gisselle (sp?) got together, so...

Also note that the Giants really don't have any magnetic personalities. Eli doesn't have anywhere near the fame or cachet that Peyton does, so I'm not sure the argument holds water there.

I'm really amazed some of you guys buy into this. It's nothing more than rampant speculation without a drop of proof at all. None. Nada.

mesmith31
02-05-2013, 01:29 PM
I'm not saying that I buy into the theory. It was interesting after watching the miraculous comeback that the Ravens had versus the Broncos. It reminded me of this thread and I caught myself thinking, "If this were scripted reality what would happen in the Pats game?"

It unfolded pretty much exactly how I thought it would happen. Then I decided for fun to make a prediction for the Super Bowl of how I would script it if I was in charge. And that unfolded almost verbatim to what I would've expected.

As for Tom Brady not winning another Super Bowl, no but he is always there at the end. As for Manning being popular, you have two sons of an NFL legend. While Eli may not be very charismatic it makes for a good story line either way. Again we're just having a little bit of fun here.

RyFo18
02-05-2013, 01:37 PM
Eli doesn't have anywhere near the fame or cachet that Peyton does, so I'm not sure the argument holds water there.

There is a lot to gain from an all-Manning Super Bowl. Coming soon in the next 2 years.

After this came out re: soccer game fixing (http://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-soccer-match-fixing-20130205,0,6903201.story), I wouldn't be one bit surprised if some small aspects of the NFL are not 100% legitimate. Money is a powerful drug. I don't see any reason to assume our sports are more pure than other major sports.

KC native
02-05-2013, 01:42 PM
No, I wasn't. If Goodell told him the sky was green, he'd buy into it.

I thought you only acted this with certain posters that you deem "below" you.

ROFL You are a retarded blowhard.

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KC native
02-05-2013, 01:43 PM
Pats haven't won since Tom and Gisselle (sp?) got together, so...

Also note that the Giants really don't have any magnetic personalities. Eli doesn't have anywhere near the fame or cachet that Peyton does, so I'm not sure the argument holds water there.

I'm really amazed some of you guys buy into this. It's nothing more than rampant speculation without a drop of proof at all. None. Nada.

Since when has proof mattered to the CP geniouses?

unnecessary drama
02-05-2013, 01:46 PM
What made that game weird was they actually reviewed that play... said it wasn't a TD after like 10 minutes... then the official said after the game it should've been a TD. Uh, okay then.



http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/steelers-chargers-chaos-rattles-vegas-strip/

This is the only time I ever believed in a "conspiracy" during an NFL game.

This was just BLATANT. I was watching the play live with no money on either side but I had to check to see what Vegas had going on to make them even CONSIDER reviewing this play.

Any way you look at that play it was a TD Steelers. Not only that...there was no freaking reason in the world to even review the play...the game was over.

They should do a damn 30 for 30 on this play.

mesmith31
02-05-2013, 01:49 PM
Eli would be the NFL equivalent of Speed II. Eli is Jason Patric.

unnecessary drama
02-05-2013, 01:52 PM
I'm going to preface this by saying I think the idea the NFL is scripted by any means is ridiculous. I will say, that Chargers/Steelers game...yeah.

The public was HEAVY on Pittsburgh.

The Steelers that game? 13 penalties.

The Chargers? 1.

Then...when the biggest fluke TD happened to end the game giving the public a HUGE win...they inexplicably review the play, reverse the TD for no reason, and then after the unbelievable reversing, they say later on that "yeah, we got it wrong...it was a TD."

uhm, what?

Those two things make me think we had some dirty officials in that game.

mesmith31
02-05-2013, 02:00 PM
I'm going to preface this by saying I think the idea the NFL is scripted by any means is ridiculous. I will say, that Chargers/Steelers game...yeah.

The public was HEAVY on Pittsburgh.

The Steelers that game? 13 penalties.

The Chargers? 1.

Then...when the biggest fluke TD happened to end the game giving the public a HUGE win...they inexplicably review the play, reverse the TD for no reason, and then after the unbelievable reversing, they say later on that "yeah, we got it wrong...it was a TD."

uhm, what?

Those two things make me think we had some dirty officials in that game.


So just to be straight, the idea that the fix is in is ridiculous unless we are talking about that one time, or the handful of other ones that we actually know about.

Again, I am playing devil's advocate here. But, it's kind of like saying that someone defying the law of gravity is impossible....except for that one time.

Amnorix
02-05-2013, 02:02 PM
I'm going to preface this by saying I think the idea the NFL is scripted by any means is ridiculous. I will say, that Chargers/Steelers game...yeah.

The public was HEAVY on Pittsburgh.

The Steelers that game? 13 penalties.

The Chargers? 1.

Then...when the biggest fluke TD happened to end the game giving the public a HUGE win...they inexplicably review the play, reverse the TD for no reason, and then after the unbelievable reversing, they say later on that "yeah, we got it wrong...it was a TD."

uhm, what?

Those two things make me think we had some dirty officials in that game.

This is a much more plausible theory. At least it has a hope in hell of being reality. That other stuff is absurd.

Nzoner
02-05-2013, 02:11 PM
So just to be straight, the idea that the fix is in is ridiculous unless we are talking about that one time, or the handful of other ones that we actually know about.

Again, I am playing devil's advocate here. But, it's kind of like saying that someone defying the law of gravity is impossible....except for that one time.

Here's an excerpt from the book I keep talking about.If you click the link it will take you to a lot more including our own Len Dawson saying if you want to fix a game the kicker can control it more than any player.

Consequently, it is naive to think that the only litmus test of honest NFL football is whether or not its games are fixed. It is not. There are far more important considerations in making this determination. And those considerations must encompass the associations of NFL personnel with the underworld and, most importantly, the backgrounds and business relationships of those who rule professional football: the NFL team owners.

The organized-crime gambling syndicate believes that inside information is necessary in order to discover what a member of a team is doing or might be doing. Aside from the rare fix, inside information is the commodity that professional gamblers will bank on. The mob wants to learn everything it can about the players' health, their marital problems, deaths in their families, drug dependencies, internal team problems, and anything else that might affect on-field performances, especially those situations that are not immediately reported in a public forum. (http://www.moldea.com/nfl.html)

mr. tegu
02-05-2013, 02:23 PM
There is a lot to gain from an all-Manning Super Bowl. Coming soon in the next 2 years.

After this came out re: soccer game fixing (http://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-soccer-match-fixing-20130205,0,6903201.story), I wouldn't be one bit surprised if some small aspects of the NFL are not 100% legitimate. Money is a powerful drug. I don't see any reason to assume our sports are more pure than other major sports.

I have no doubt that there are games that are fixed. But again, the soccer thing is not the same as scripting stories. There is a big difference between some games being fixed by outside entities and the NFL scripting story lines.

mr. tegu
02-05-2013, 02:30 PM
Here's an excerpt from the book I keep talking about.If you click the link it will take you to a lot more including our own Len Dawson saying if you want to fix a game the kicker can control it more than any player.

Consequently, it is naive to think that the only litmus test of honest NFL football is whether or not its games are fixed. It is not. There are far more important considerations in making this determination. And those considerations must encompass the associations of NFL personnel with the underworld and, most importantly, the backgrounds and business relationships of those who rule professional football: the NFL team owners.

The organized-crime gambling syndicate believes that inside information is necessary in order to discover what a member of a team is doing or might be doing. Aside from the rare fix, inside information is the commodity that professional gamblers will bank on. The mob wants to learn everything it can about the players' health, their marital problems, deaths in their families, drug dependencies, internal team problems, and anything else that might affect on-field performances, especially those situations that are not immediately reported in a public forum. (http://www.moldea.com/nfl.html)

I am not sure when that quote by Dawson about the kicker influencing the game came out, but I am certain the game has changed significantly since it did, considering the book came out in 1995. By change I mean the money is so big now. Kickers make good money these days and can have long careers. I can't imagine they risk their jobs for a few games of fixes, unless of course the payout is just too big to pass up. But who knows, the money the guys offer players could be big to the player but miniscule in comparison to what they stand to make.

Probably the easier people to get to would be the refs, especially the guys calling pass interference, because they can really influence a game on just a few plays.

Frazod
02-27-2013, 02:07 PM
If you buy into this whole WWNFL thing, a small market/small fanbase team shitting its pants by overpaying for yet another benchwarming retread makes perfect sense.

Doesn't make much sense from any other angle, though, does it?

Was Clark issued a directive to trade for Smith? Was he well paid for doing so?

:shrug:

RyFo18
02-27-2013, 02:19 PM
If you buy into this whole WWNFL thing, a small market/small fanbase team shitting its pants by overpaying for yet another benchwarming retread makes perfect sense.

Doesn't make much sense from any other angle, though, does it?

Was Clark issued a directive to trade for Smith? Was he well paid for doing so?

:shrug:

I'm 100% convinced this has to be true.

htismaqe
02-27-2013, 02:19 PM
If you buy into this whole WWNFL thing, a small market/small fanbase team shitting its pants by overpaying for yet another benchwarming retread makes perfect sense.

Doesn't make much sense from any other angle, though, does it?

Was Clark issued a directive to trade for Smith? Was he well paid for doing so?

:shrug:

Unfortunately, I'm left with no other alternatives but to believe this.

GoChargers
09-10-2013, 12:10 AM
Yet another atrocious call benefiting a big-market team against a small-market team in a crucial situation tonight.

Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira 9m
This is a new rule this year. Center is considered defenseless. That being said, I don't see that as an illegal hit. Wish I had a close up

Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira 7m
After seeing that shot they showed, it is clearly not a foul in my book. He did not attack the head or neck area. Very costly call.

SPchief
09-10-2013, 12:14 AM
Wait, Houston is a big market, and San Diego is a small market?

-King-
09-10-2013, 01:27 AM
Yet another atrocious call benefiting a big-market team against a small-market team in a crucial situation tonight.

ROFLROFLROFL


BTW, Houston was penalized for 18 more yards than San Diego. But continue your crying.

KCrockaholic
09-10-2013, 01:37 AM
The NFL wants Alex Smith vs Kaep in the Super Bowl! It's all rigged!

Reading through a lot of the OP I have to laugh at some of the things said. They're literally saying in some parts that certain players are throwing better balls when they want to, making better kicks when they want to, and even dropping balls when they want to.

How about it's football and shit happens. Lee Evans didn't drop the pass on purpose. Tim Tebow doesn't magically turn into an elite QB at the snap of a finger if he wants to. Billy Cundiff doesn't shank kicks on purpose.

Yeah the big NFL has a lot of control over things. But the players have no role in what is pre determined. The refs on the other hand can **** over any team they want.

Guru
09-10-2013, 01:38 AM
The NFL wants Alex Smith vs Kaep in the Super Bowl! It's all rigged!

Yeah, they want that instead of Manning vs. Manning in the Meadowlands during the worst snowstorm in NY history.

KCrockaholic
09-10-2013, 01:53 AM
Yeah, they want that instead of Manning vs. Manning in the Meadowlands during the worst snowstorm in NY history.

2014 maybe?

I do think the lights crashing at the Super Bowl last year was done on purpose. Not sure what kind of purpose it was supposed to serve or how lights going out could magically make the 49ers a super team all of a sudden. It happened that way and they were competitive until the end, but the lights going out could've went either way for those teams.

rabblerouser
09-10-2013, 04:32 AM
2014 maybe?

I do think the lights crashing at the Super Bowl last year was done on purpose. Not sure what kind of purpose it was supposed to serve or how lights going out could magically make the 49ers a super team all of a sudden. It happened that way and they were competitive until the end, but the lights going out could've went either way for those teams.

You ain't the only one; in the Baltimore episode of 'America's Game' Ray Lewis basically says that the NFL did that on purpose, with the intention of tetting SF back into the game...

Chief Roundup
10-07-2013, 11:35 AM
WOW. Sure makes a person wonder.

mr. tegu
10-07-2013, 11:42 AM
WOW. Sure makes a person wonder.

What does?

Chief Roundup
10-07-2013, 11:49 AM
The article.

Bearcat
10-07-2013, 12:06 PM
It's amusing what kind of shit people can make up when they have an agenda to push and the benefit of hindsight. I'm sure the NFL wants certain things to happen, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were successful at influencing things from time to time... but, I'm sure you could take any team in the NFL and come up with at least one reason why the NFL would want them to win the SB in any given year, and it's obviously pretty easy to rattle off a bunch of circumstances when you're looking at everything through an agenda.

It would be a lot more impressive if they came up with a list of teams that were going to win the SB in the next couple of years due to whatever reason, instead of having the benefit of hindsight. Or even at the beginning of the playoffs, assuming the NFL isn't supposedly controlling everything and just steps in when an opportunity arises or something.

Rain Man
10-07-2013, 12:18 PM
It's amusing what kind of shit people can make up when they have an agenda to push and the benefit of hindsight. I'm sure the NFL wants certain things to happen, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were successful at influencing things from time to time... but, I'm sure you could take any team in the NFL and come up with at least one reason why the NFL would want them to win the SB in any given year, and it's obviously pretty easy to rattle off a bunch of circumstances when you're looking at everything through an agenda.

It would be a lot more impressive if they came up with a list of teams that were going to win the SB in the next couple of years due to whatever reason, instead of having the benefit of hindsight. Or even at the beginning of the playoffs, assuming the NFL isn't supposedly controlling everything and just steps in when an opportunity arises or something.

The NFL wants Peyton Manning to get a Super Bowl ring this year so he can have the same number as Eli and "retire as a champion".

There. That's my prediction.

mr. tegu
10-07-2013, 12:20 PM
The article.

Oh. I was thinking you were bringing this article back up because of something that happened yesterday.

Bearcat
10-07-2013, 12:43 PM
The NFL wants Peyton Manning to get a Super Bowl ring this year so he can have the same number as Eli and "retire as a champion".

There. That's my prediction.

What will convince you as far as the NFL having a hand in it, or do you think the NFL will influence it?

Of course, he's pretty good, so I don't think simply winning a Super Bowl proves much as far as the NFL's influence (or maybe that's what they want us to believe :hmmm: ). There's this idea in game threads that bad calls are the product of the NFL's influence, but the simpler explanation is incompetence.

I guess if he beats the Colts in the AFC Championship Game 49-42 on a last second touchdown pass, that would make it kind of obvious.

There are just so many variables and so many reasons for this team or that team to win a particular game, it almost seems simpler just to have it play out on its own (sort of taken from a piece on the flying to the moon conspiracy, when they said the hoax would have been so expensive and elaborate, they might as well have built a spaceship and flown there).

mr. tegu
10-07-2013, 12:45 PM
What will convince you as far as the NFL having a hand in it, or do you think the NFL will influence it?

Of course, he's pretty good, so I don't think simply winning a Super Bowl proves much as far as the NFL's influence (or maybe that's what they want us to believe :hmmm: ). There's this idea in game threads that bad calls are the product of the NFL's influence, but the simpler explanation is incompetence.

I guess if he beats the Colts in the AFC Championship Game 49-42 on a last second touchdown pass, that would make it kind of obvious.

There are just so many variables and so many reasons for this team or that team to win a particular game, it almost seems simpler just to have it play out on its own (sort of taken from a piece on the flying to the moon conspiracy, when they said the hoax would have been so expensive and elaborate, they might as well have built a spaceshit and flown there).

Not sure if typo.

seaofred
10-07-2013, 12:50 PM
Why did the Titans try that fieldgoal at the end of the game yesterday? Where they trying to cover the spread? Or the over/under?

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2013, 12:51 PM
Why did the Titans try that fieldgoal at the end of the game yesterday? Where they trying to cover the spread? Or the over/under?

They needed 9 points. Easier to get the 3 there, then try a hail mary at the end.

seaofred
10-07-2013, 12:52 PM
They needed 9 points. Easier to get the 3 there, then try a hail mary at the end.

They kicked it with 2 seconds on the clock. No chance for a kickoff after the fieldgoal attempt.

Bearcat
10-07-2013, 12:54 PM
Not sure if typo.

Oops. LMAO

cosmo20002
10-07-2013, 12:58 PM
Has anybody ever actually fact-checked that article? It's loaded with shit that is just not true. It doesn't even get simple things like this correct:

Week 3: Packers vs Bears: The Bears return a punt return for a TD which would've ultimately allowed them to cover the spread. Instead a fantom holding call overturned the TD. It was the 10th penalty of the game for the Bears vs. 1 penalty for the Packers. You can see the play here: http://youtu.be/_w-pXfjbYHk

Packers had 7 penalties, not 1.

I'm not going to summarize every piece of BS I recognized, but it's enough to disregard the whole thing as garbage.

Rain Man
10-07-2013, 12:59 PM
What will convince you as far as the NFL having a hand in it, or do you think the NFL will influence it?

Of course, he's pretty good, so I don't think simply winning a Super Bowl proves much as far as the NFL's influence (or maybe that's what they want us to believe :hmmm: ). There's this idea in game threads that bad calls are the product of the NFL's influence, but the simpler explanation is incompetence.

I guess if he beats the Colts in the AFC Championship Game 49-42 on a last second touchdown pass, that would make it kind of obvious.

There are just so many variables and so many reasons for this team or that team to win a particular game, it almost seems simpler just to have it play out on its own (sort of taken from a piece on the flying to the moon conspiracy, when they said the hoax would have been so expensive and elaborate, they might as well have built a spaceshit and flown there).


I don't actually believe that NFL games or seasons are rigged. As you say, it's too hard to do. "Hey, Vinatieri, we're going to need you to make a 48-yard field goal in the snow next week."

I do think that there are "league favorites" among the media, and that can subtly influence league management and officiating. Who was the player that Goodell urged to sign with a New York team a few years ago? And no ref wants to be the guy who didn't protect Peyton Manning or Tom Brady from a hit.

I also think that the league management roots for certain teams for marketing purposes. It gets a lot more coverage when John Elway wins a Super Bowl than Chris Chandler, so it means more dollars for the league. That's why the league picks occasional guys to market heavily (e.g., Elway, Eli Manning) even when their performance doesn't warrant that level of coverage. Does that mean the league cheats? Probably not, emphasis on probably.

My deepest conspiracy theory is that the refs could have orders to keep some games close and "give Peyton a chance to win it in the end" for marketing purposes, but I'd be hard-pressed to provide proof that it actually happens.

mr. tegu
10-07-2013, 01:00 PM
Why did the Titans try that fieldgoal at the end of the game yesterday? Where they trying to cover the spread? Or the over/under?

The over/under was already beat. And at Chiefs -2.5 even a last second TD doesn't cover the spread on most books.

Frosty
10-07-2013, 01:01 PM
Why did the Titans try that fieldgoal at the end of the game yesterday? Where they trying to cover the spread? Or the over/under?

I think it was a head coach trying to minimize the margin of defeat.

seaofred
10-07-2013, 01:02 PM
The over/under was already beat. And at Chiefs -2.5 even a last second TD doesn't cover the spread on most books.

I was pretty sure thats what the spread was, but wasn't sure on the over/under. Still don't know why the kicked it. No chance of a kick off after.