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royr17
12-14-2012, 11:21 PM
How many picks should the Chiefs expect to get this year and what arounds.

These are the players released and that were signed.

Players Kansas City Chiefs Lost

QB Kyle Orton - Signed with Cowboys
RB Jackie Battle - Signed with Chargers
FB Le'Ron McClain - Signed with Chargers
TE Leonard Pope - Signed with Steelers
C Casey Wiegmann - Retired
OT Barry Richardson - Signed with Rams
DE Wallace Gilberry - Signed with Bucs
NT Kelly Gregg - Retired
CB Brandon Carr - Signed with Cowboys
S Jon McGraw - Free Agent

Players Kansas City Chiefs Signed

QB Brady Quinn Free Agent Signed
HB Peyton Hillis Free Agent Signed
TE Kevin Boss Released Free Agent Signed
OT Eric Winston Released Free Agent Signed
DE/DT Ropati Pitoitua Released Free Agent Signed
CB Stanford Routt Released Free Agent Signed

something cooler
12-14-2012, 11:27 PM
I've heard a third for Carr is that still possible

royr17
12-14-2012, 11:33 PM
I've heard a third for Carr is that still possible

Yes and maybe a late rounder for McClain and some others

something cooler
12-14-2012, 11:34 PM
that third would be so badass, the amount of mid round projects is astounding this year.

Mizzou_8541
12-15-2012, 12:07 AM
that third would be so badass, the amount of mid round projects is astounding this year.

Yeah, if we had a GM that knew how to draft.

royr17
12-15-2012, 12:12 AM
We could end up with 4 comp picks from what I see, possibly a 3rd rounder for Carr and 3 7th Round Picks for McClain, Pope, and Richardson

something cooler
12-15-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah, if we had a GM that knew how to draft.

and I am optimistic that we get 1 of those

el borracho
12-15-2012, 12:38 AM
I doubt the Chiefs get any compsenatory picks but they might get some compgubernatorial picks. Maybe.

Cornstock
12-15-2012, 12:41 AM
Aren't the draft positions based on playing time? If so we should get some surprise value from Battle and Barry who both played a lot more than I expected them to.

something cooler
12-15-2012, 12:46 AM
who does battle play for?

Cornstock
12-15-2012, 12:52 AM
who does battle play for?

Chargers. They suck but he's played quite a bit.

Jiu Jitsu Jon
12-15-2012, 12:52 AM
who does battle play for?

Chargers, if I'm not mistaken.

clyde05
12-15-2012, 12:53 AM
You are not mistaken.

something cooler
12-15-2012, 01:09 AM
that's surprising that someone gave him a shot

johnny961
12-15-2012, 01:58 AM
I've heard a third for Carr is that still possible

Kinda what I was thinking but I'm not the best versed person in how that system works.

Sorter
12-15-2012, 02:58 AM
Hillis, Boss, Winston, Routt and QUinn (possibly, I'll have to check) will not count against the comp system because they were released under contract.

BigRock
12-15-2012, 04:23 AM
There are a lot of little qualifiers that guys have to pass in order to be eligible. And some of them may have changed in the new CBA, I'm not sure.

But under the old rules, if, for instance, a guy didn't sign with a team until after a certain point in the summer, he didn't count towards compensatory picks. If I remember right, Jackie Battle signed with the Chargers just before training camp. So he probably won't count.

Guys on a nothing one-year contract usually don't count either. I doubt the Steelers paid Pope anything over the minimum. That could also be true for B-Rich, but he's been starting all year. So that should help.

The Bucs cut Gilberry early in the season, so he shouldn't count.

Again, this is based on the old rules, but Carr, Orton, McClain and possibly B-Rich should count in our "lost" column. In our "gained" column, Quinn was a free agent from Denver, Hillis was a free agent from Cleveland, and Abe Elam was a free agent from Dallas. But Elam was added in the summer and, like Battle, probably won't count. All the other guys we signed were cut by their prior team, so they don't count either.

If we assume that B-Rich counts, we lost 4 and gained 2 for a net of 2. That would get us a nice pick for Carr, hopefully a 3rd, and then maybe like a 6th rounder for Orton.

If by some fluke Pope happens to count, we could get a 7th rounder thrown on too. If neither Pope or B-Rich count, then just the pick for Carr.

If B-Rich doesn't count and Elam wasn't signed late enough to be eliminated, the tally ends up 3-3, we get nothing, and Pioli should be force-fed his prolapsed colon.

And if some of the qualifiers that I've mentioned were changed in the new CBA, then this entire post is worthless.

Hog Farmer
12-15-2012, 07:40 AM
Giberry is a Bengal and kicking ass. Just made the highlight reel this week.

BigRock
12-15-2012, 07:50 AM
Giberry is a Bengal and kicking ass. Just made the highlight reel this week.

Unless they've drastically changed the compensatory criteria, I don't think it helps us. He's on his second team since leaving KC.

BossChief
12-15-2012, 08:45 AM
Yeah, if we had a GM that knew how to draft.

Asamoah, Houston and Stephenson were all good picks in the third round. Bailey is still a ?

cabletech94
12-15-2012, 08:48 AM
we'll get one for carr. that was pee-o-lee-o's master plan (not pay, get a 3rd?maybe).
hopefully our new gm isn't a douche.

anything else that we get? pure profit.

BigMeatballDave
12-15-2012, 09:09 AM
Bailey is still a ?

It's no question, he sucks.

mcaj22
12-15-2012, 09:13 AM
shame that Winston cancels out Richardson because we could have got a decent pick for that since Richardson is performing well on the Rams.

the Carr one is insteresting because we signed Routt, but then released him, not sure the cirteria but I am pretty sure if you sign an alternative your comp pick is lost.

mcaj22
12-15-2012, 09:14 AM
i am pretty sure BigRock is right though that Pioli signing all these shit turd bum FAs (Quinn, Hillis, Elam) and all them getting high snap counts/starters minutes throughout the season cancels out any nice comp pick we would get

so in a sense, blame Pioli. Because turds like Elam, Quinn and Hillis actually played this season

Hoover
12-15-2012, 09:36 AM
Winston was cut, so his signing doesn't impact anything

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-15-2012, 10:24 AM
Quinn's playing time is killing the Chiefs comp pick chances.

milkman
12-15-2012, 10:36 AM
Winston was cut, so his signing doesn't impact anything

And Routt was cut by the Raiders, so again, no impact on anything.

listopencil
12-15-2012, 10:39 AM
I doubt the Chiefs get any compsenatory picks but they might get some compgubernatorial picks. Maybe.

Does that mean that the fans get to vote on who the Chiefs pick up with those picks? Perhaps from a list of compgubernatorial candidates?

mcaj22
12-15-2012, 12:11 PM
then it still comes down to the snap counts of Abe Elam, Hillis and Quinn

which I think outweight whatever three top snap counts we let go

i assume the top 3 would be Carr, Richardson and ??? McClain or Battle

so 3 for 3 we might not get shit for a pick

Rausch
12-15-2012, 12:14 PM
Does that mean that the fans get to vote on who the Chiefs pick up with those picks? Perhaps from a list of compgubernatorial candidates?

Logical, but no...

BigRock
12-15-2012, 06:13 PM
then it still comes down to the snap counts of Abe Elam, Hillis and Quinn

which I think outweight whatever three top snap counts we let go

i assume the top 3 would be Carr, Richardson and ??? McClain or Battle

so 3 for 3 we might not get shit for a pick

Nobody's snap counts mean anything. It just boils down to basic math.

Most likely, we lost Carr, McClain, and Orton. 3 losses. Then we gained Quinn and Hillis. 2 gains. A difference of 1 loss, so we get 1 pick. For Carr. And it will be a good pick.

But it's possible Barry Richardson will be counted as a loss. He probably signed a cheapo one-year contract, but he's started all year. He may count. In that case, the total is 4 losses to 2 gains, so we get 2 picks. One for Carr, one for Orton since he signed the next best contract. The Orton pick would be a late-rounder.

The worst-case scenario is that B-Rich doesn't count and Abe Elam does, which would mean 3 losses and 3 gains. In that case, regardless of contract amounts or snap counts, the absolute best we could hope for is a 7th round pick. We might get a 7th rounder simply because we lost better quality players than we signed. Otherwise, we get nothing.

But even Pioli can't be THAT stupid, to have pissed away a likely third round pick for Abe Elam. So that scenario is unlikely.

Bottom line, we should get a good pick for Carr. That much seems guaranteed. Whether we get anything else depends on which players qualify as meaningful losses.