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Chocolate Hog
12-17-2012, 12:04 AM
Just saw on NBC 41 Jack Harry is reporting that Jason LaCanfora is saying Haley will be Arizonas top choice for replacing Whisenhunt.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-17-2012, 12:05 AM
With the Arizona Cardinals losing nine straight games after a 4-0 start, including a historic 58-0 loss last week to rival Seattle, team officials are mulling possible changes for the offseason, sources said, with former Cardinals coordinator Todd Haley a top option to replace coach Ken Whisenhunt if a change is made.

Haley has shined in his first season as Pittsburgh's offensive coordinator -- following his firing as Chiefs coach last year -- and his name continues to come up in internal discussions in Arizona, sources said. The Bidwill family remains big supporters of Haley, who served as offensive coordinator in 2007-08 and was play caller for Arizona's lone Super Bowl team. The Bidwills pushed for Haley to be back on Whisenhunt's staff after last season, facilitating a series of meetings between Whisenhunt and Haley, but Whisenhunt had already committed to coordinator Mike Miller calling plays and ended up retaining the staff favorite.

The Cardinals have been stout defensively under coordinator Ray Horton but have failed on the offensive side of the ball amid a revolving door at quarterback. While it would be out of character for the franchise to absorb a financial hit to make a coaching change (Whisenhunt is still owed $5.5 million, sources said), the move is possible given how poorly this season has gone. Arizona is 17-28 since 2009 and has not been a serious playoff contender since Kurt Warner's retirement after the '09 season.

Also, assistant general manager Steve Keim, who has a strong reputation around the league, could perhaps end up replacing long-time GM Rod Graves. Notably, Keim shares a strong relationship with Haley from Haley's previous time in Arizona.

At this point, it would be surprising to many if someone other than Haley ended up coaching the Cardinals should Whisenhunt's tenure there end.

Haley's possible departure from the Steelers could be part of a larger trend of OC turnover within the AFC North. The Ravens have already fired offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, Bengals OC Jay Gruden is expected to be a top candidate for multiple head coaching vacancies and new ownership and management in Cleveland means the future of head coach Pat Shurmur and his staff is in doubt.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/b....nfora/21411006

Baconeater
12-17-2012, 12:06 AM
Well shit. I was one of the people who said there's no way in hell he ever gets another head coaching gig ever again. What a difference a year can make.

morphius
12-17-2012, 12:09 AM
I don't think I would wish that on the Cards. His HC with OC overseer crap just isn't going to lead to stability anywhere.

Inmem58
12-17-2012, 12:09 AM
Fitz will be stoked about it.

tk13
12-17-2012, 12:09 AM
Well shit. I was one of the people who said there's no way in hell he ever gets another head coaching gig ever again. What a difference a year can make.

Norv Turner has spent 15 years as a head coach in this league. I'm sure Todd Haley can get another shot.

mcaj22
12-17-2012, 12:13 AM
if turds like Wade Phillips and Chan Gailey can get 2nd HC shots, so can odd Todd

the Talking Can
12-17-2012, 12:15 AM
look at the stream of 2 and 3 time losers KC has hired over the years....

jesus, gunther is still employed in the nfl

mcaj22
12-17-2012, 12:16 AM
Brian Daboll got 3 NFL teams to hire his offensive play style

THREE teams bought into the crap soup he was selling for a playbook

think about that

ChiefsCountry
12-17-2012, 12:17 AM
Marty said this a while ago.

jspchief
12-17-2012, 12:31 AM
Scott Polio should warn the Cards. They have no idea what they are getting in Haley.

J Diddy
12-17-2012, 12:35 AM
Brian Daboll got 3 NFL teams to hire his offensive play style

THREE teams bought into the crap soup he was selling for a playbook

think about that

Besides the logo, I'm not sure you could really qualify the Chiefs as an NFL team. Right now Jamaal is looking for peer support from Barry Sanders.

something cooler
12-17-2012, 12:38 AM
Well shit. I was one of the people who said there's no way in hell he ever gets another head coaching gig ever again. What a difference a year can make.

I never understood the hate with that guy, he had all the makings of a good coach, he was just being held back by a maniacal freak.

clyde05
12-17-2012, 12:41 AM
Thought he loved being in Pittsburgh

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2012, 12:47 AM
I never understood the hate with that guy, he had all the makings of a good coach, he was just being held back by a maniacal freak.

Yeah, right.

It was all Pioli's fault that Todd hired four offensive coordinators in 2.5 years.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2012, 12:47 AM
Thought he loved being in Pittsburgh

Not after tonight's game

J Diddy
12-17-2012, 12:48 AM
Yeah, right.

It was all Pioli's fault that Todd hired four offensive coordinators in 2.5 years.

I felt the first 2 were pushed on him.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2012, 12:48 AM
I felt the first 2 were pushed on him.

Gailey and himself?

J Diddy
12-17-2012, 01:08 AM
Gailey and himself?

Gailey and Weiss

Rugby Thompson
12-17-2012, 01:10 AM
Not gonna be awkward or a situation if we keep Pioli and still have training camp practices with the Cardinals?

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 01:18 AM
Yeah, right.

It was all Pioli's fault that Todd hired four offensive coordinators in 2.5 years.

Gailey was in place when Haley got here...the only coordinators Haley hired in his 2.5 seasons were Muir and Weis.

To be be perfectly accurate.

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 01:20 AM
Gailey and himself?

No - Weis and Muir.

Haley wanted to be his own OC.

He also wanted an actual NFL QB or two on his roster to run said offense.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2012, 01:21 AM
Gailey was in place when Haley got here...the only coordinators Haley hired in his 2.5 seasons were Muir and Weis.

To be be perfectly accurate.

I know the history. It was a joke.

Hailey showed poor judgement in firing Gailey when he did.

But overall, the Haley worship around here is ludicrous, IMO. He sucked as a head coach and has not done much with a loaded offense in Pittsburgh this season.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2012, 01:22 AM
No - Weis and Muir.

Haley wanted to be his own OC.

He also wanted an actual NFL QB or two on his roster to run said offense.

Dude, you're about 3.5 years with this shit.

KCWolfman
12-17-2012, 01:24 AM
Gailey was in place when Haley got here...the only coordinators Haley hired in his 2.5 seasons were Muir and Weis.

To be be perfectly accurate.

And himself to be 100% accurate

RINGLEADER
12-17-2012, 01:26 AM
Scott Polio should warn the Cards. They have no idea what they are getting in Haley.

As long as they have cameras installed and taps on his phone they'll be fine.

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 01:37 AM
I know the history. It was a joke.

Hailey showed poor judgement in firing Gailey when he did.

The only poor judgement of Haley's regarding Gailey was by not firing Chan the moment Haley was hired.

The way I heard it, Haley really didn't have a choice in firing Gailey, anyway.



But overall, the Haley worship around here is ludicrous, IMO. He sucked as a head coach and has not done much with a loaded offense in Pittsburgh this season.

Haley didn't suck as a Head Coach - that's ridiculous, Dane. He was young, and straddled with a roster that had no depth, no QB, and the worst GM in franchise history.

The fact that he was able to accomplish what he did with what he had, is in fact a testament to his NOT being terrible. And Big Ben is basically putting up the most efficient numbers of his career (regardless of his pick today - Carr's a stud.)

Plus, he loved this city and loved coaching here - he gave a shit, and it showed.

With a supportive GM, Haley will be a successful head coach.

And himself to be 100% accurate

He became OC out of default in '09; I wouldn't call delegating a job to yourself a 'hire.'

Unless he pocketed Gailey's paychecks - then it would be accurate.

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 01:40 AM
As long as they have cameras installed and taps on his phone they'll be fine.


:LOL:

awesome.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2012, 02:59 AM
Haley didn't suck as a Head Coach - that's ridiculous, Dane.


LMAO

His record and tenure prove otherwise.

Dave Lane
12-17-2012, 06:21 AM
Scott Polio should warn the Cards. They have no idea what they are getting in Haley.

Yup good coaches are tough to find. Haley's gonna be damned fine HC.

Chiefnj2
12-17-2012, 06:51 AM
Looks like someone in Pitt won't be unhappy if Haley leaves:

profootballtalk.com
Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was unsurprisingly unhappy after Sundayís loss to the Cowboys. And while Roethlisberger told reporters in the locker room after the game that he primarily put the blame for the loss on himself, he also hinted that he thinks Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley deserved some of the blame.

Roethlisberger, whose relationship with Haley has been a hot-button topic in Pittsburgh this season, didnít mention Haley by name. But he did make a couple of comments that suggested he wasnít crazy about the way Haley was calling plays.

Asked why tight end Heath Miller didnít have a single pass thrown his way in the second half, Roethlisberger answered, ďI just donít think we called the right plays to get him the ball.Ē

And when asked why the Steelers didnít run more no-huddle offense in the second half, Roethlisberger acknowledged he wished they had done more.

ďThatís tough for me to answer right now,Ē he said. ďThe second half we didnít do much of it, and thatís disappointing.Ē

For the Steelers, thereís a lot to be disappointed about after todayís loss. The good news is that they can still salvage their season and make the playoffs if they win their last two games. The bad news is a feud between Roethlisberger and Haley isnít the best way to begin a crucial week of work before the Week 16 meeting with the Bengals.

Rausch
12-17-2012, 06:51 AM
Haley didn't suck as a Head Coach - that's ridiculous, Dane.

No, it's not.

Looking back I think we can all see he was fighting an uphill battle with the f/o (so I wouldn't place all blame on him) but his response was to completely flake out and our team flamed out...

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 08:10 AM
The only poor judgement of Haley's regarding Gailey was by not firing Chan the moment Haley was hired.

This.

durtyrute
12-17-2012, 08:51 AM
Come back to KC

jd1020
12-17-2012, 09:04 AM
The Chiefs fans who still swing from Haley's coconuts think its as simple as being someone elses fault for the disaster of Haley's 3 year tenure and put it all on Pioli.

When in reality...

Pioli sucks.

Haley sucks.

Cassel sucks.

"Pioli is forcing Haley to work with Cassel. That's is why he sucked!"

Well...

"Pittsburgh is forcing Haley to work with Roethlisberger and he still sucks!"

CoMoChief
12-17-2012, 09:35 AM
I don't think I would wish that on the Cards. His HC with OC overseer crap just isn't going to lead to stability anywhere.

If he has a good QB he will be successful....just like most coaches.

When he had Warner he was successful....with Big Ben he was successful.

With Cassel he was dogshit because that's exactly what Cassel is.

jd1020
12-17-2012, 09:37 AM
When he had Warner he was successful....with Big Ben he was successful.

:hmmm:

What are the Steelers? Like 20th in offense? SUCCESS!

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 09:56 AM
Put me in the "who cares" category.

Rausch
12-17-2012, 09:56 AM
Put me in the "who cares" category.

I'll 2nd that...

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 09:58 AM
I'll 2nd that...

The only reason to talk about Haley is because his history is linked to Pioli and all the fucked up shit that happened here.

Pioli is about to be history, so neither of them will be worth discussing anymore...

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 10:00 AM
Looks like someone in Pitt won't be unhappy if Haley leaves:

profootballtalk.com
Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was unsurprisingly unhappy after Sundayís loss to the Cowboys. And while Roethlisberger told reporters in the locker room after the game that he primarily put the blame for the loss on himself, he also hinted that he thinks Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley deserved some of the blame.

Roethlisberger, whose relationship with Haley has been a hot-button topic in Pittsburgh this season, didnít mention Haley by name. But he did make a couple of comments that suggested he wasnít crazy about the way Haley was calling plays.

Asked why tight end Heath Miller didnít have a single pass thrown his way in the second half, Roethlisberger answered, ďI just donít think we called the right plays to get him the ball.Ē

And when asked why the Steelers didnít run more no-huddle offense in the second half, Roethlisberger acknowledged he wished they had done more.

ďThatís tough for me to answer right now,Ē he said. ďThe second half we didnít do much of it, and thatís disappointing.Ē

For the Steelers, thereís a lot to be disappointed about after todayís loss. The good news is that they can still salvage their season and make the playoffs if they win their last two games. The bad news is a feud between Roethlisberger and Haley isnít the best way to begin a crucial week of work before the Week 16 meeting with the Bengals.

Hey Big Ben...

There were no throws to Heath Miller in the 2nd half because he stayed in to block...because your makeshift O-line was getting eaten alive by the Dallas pass rush.

Don't know if you were watching the same game I was...

but it seems pretty obvious why Miller wasn't goong out for passes - your tackles needed HELP, 'dawg'.

And you can try and throw your OC under the bus, but...you can't blame him for that pick in OT - that's one's on you, BB...

So, suck it up - you play in a 'Big Boy' offense, with reads and progressions and whatnot, and it has actually made you a 'more efficient' QB...

You just CAN'T throw interceptions in OT - you just can't. Big Ben blaming Haley for that is childish and immature. Bad decision on Ben's part to throw that pass during the game, and even worse decision to throw his play caller under the bus after.

ndws
12-17-2012, 10:15 AM
Bruce Ariens masked alot of the problems with Pitt. That line is terrible and their current run game isn't much better.

If Haley does go back to Arizona, better take the mothballs of your Breaston jerseys, he'll be a 60 catch guy again in no time.

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 10:20 AM
Bruce Ariens masked alot of the problems with Pitt. That line is terrible and their current run game isn't much better.

Yep. And Big Ben doesn't like things forced on him...Big Ben likes to do the forcing, ya know.


If Haley does go back to Arizona, better take the mothballs of your Breaston jerseys, he'll be a 60 catch guy again in no time.

When Haley becomes the HC of the Cards...then I become an Arizona Cardinals fan.

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 10:23 AM
When Haley becomes the HC of the Cards...then I become an Arizona Cardinals fan.

ROFL

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 10:33 AM
ROFL

Fuck it - being a 'Chiefs fan' for over 20 years now, and at this point it just makes me not want to watch football.

I'm like, fuck the NFL. We're never going to be any good.

When I was a kid, and Montana's head dinged off the Buffalo Astro-Turf...that was it.

That was as good as it's ever been.

I guesss it's kinda like crack...that first hit was so good and sweet, I keep chasing the dragon, trying to get that feeling back.

Being a Chiefs fan is like being a crackhead - useless, futile, repetitive...

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 10:34 AM
**** it - being a 'Chiefs fan' for over 20 years now, and at this point it just makes me not want to watch football.

I'm like, **** the NFL. We're never going to be any good.

When I was a kid, and Montana's head dinged off the Buffalo Astro-Turf...that was it.

That was as good as it's ever been.

I guesss it's kinda like crack...that first hit was so good and sweet, I keep chasing the dragon, trying to get that feeling back.

Being a Chiefs fan is like being a crackhead - useless, futile, repetitive...

So become an Arizona Cardinals fan?

I take it you're not familiar with anything more than their recent history...

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 10:45 AM
So become an Arizona Cardinals fan?

I take it you're not familiar with anything more than their recent history...

Oh, I remember plenty - not quite old enough to remember them moving from St. L...but I remember Timm Rosenbach, and Joe Bugel. I remember that they drafted Garrison Hearst. I remember they were almost decent, and then Buddy Ryan signed Seth Joyner and Boomer Esiason and then blew the whole thing up and quit at halftime of the Christmas Eve (or Night) game against the Cowboys. I remember Jake Plummer and Dave McGinist...

That's really my point; I'd rather be a Cardinals fan - the futility is not only acceptable, it's expected.

Whereas expecting this franchise to ever pull its collective head out if its ass and
actually be GREAT again??

Well, I just don't see it happening.

Todd Haley gets every single ounce of productivity from even the shittiest players on the roster (see : Matt Cassel)

Wherever he goes, I hope that team does well.

I am under no illusions that the Chiefs will be seriously competitive for a decade, at least.

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
12-17-2012, 10:45 AM
Nobody listens to me. :cuss: :deevee: LMAO

Marty said this a while ago.

rabblerouser
12-17-2012, 10:46 AM
Nobody listens to me. :cuss: :deevee: LMAO

what, that Todd's going back to Arizona?

Chris Meck
12-17-2012, 10:52 AM
The Chiefs fans who still swing from Haley's coconuts think its as simple as being someone elses fault for the disaster of Haley's 3 year tenure and put it all on Pioli.

When in reality...

Pioli sucks.

Haley sucks.

Cassel sucks.

"Pioli is forcing Haley to work with Cassel. That's is why he sucked!"

Well...

"Pittsburgh is forcing Haley to work with Roethlisberger and he still sucks!"

Dude, Pittsburgh's defense gave up a ton of yards and points. Going no huddle always stresses your defense, and Haley not using it late in the game makes good solid sense to me, sorry.

I'm not a 'OMG Haley is awesome' guy. I think he had some good points and in some ways was in clearly over his head, but I think in Pittsburgh he's done a good job and did a good job yesterday in particular.

Chris Meck
12-17-2012, 10:53 AM
Oh, and another thing-
Roethlisberger threw what was basically a pick six in OT. He wants to hang the loss on Haley? Fuck him.

WhiteWhale
12-17-2012, 10:55 AM
Hey Big Ben...

There were no throws to Heath Miller in the 2nd half because he stayed in to block...because your makeshift O-line was getting eaten alive by the Dallas pass rush.

Don't know if you were watching the same game I was...

but it seems pretty obvious why Miller wasn't goong out for passes - your tackles needed HELP, 'dawg'.

And you can try and throw your OC under the bus, but...you can't blame him for that pick in OT - that's one's on you, BB...

So, suck it up - you play in a 'Big Boy' offense, with reads and progressions and whatnot, and it has actually made you a 'more efficient' QB...

You just CAN'T throw interceptions in OT - you just can't. Big Ben blaming Haley for that is childish and immature. Bad decision on Ben's part to throw that pass during the game, and even worse decision to throw his play caller under the bus after.

I'm kinda iffy on Haley, but I agree with this.

Blaming the playcalling when you throw away the game is weak sauce.

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 10:59 AM
Dude, Pittsburgh's defense gave up a ton of yards and points. Going no huddle always stresses your defense, and Haley not using it late in the game makes good solid sense to me, sorry.

I'm not a 'OMG Haley is awesome' guy. I think he had some good points and in some ways was in clearly over his head, but I think in Pittsburgh he's done a good job and did a good job yesterday in particular.

This.

Oh, and another thing-
Roethlisberger threw what was basically a pick six in OT. He wants to hang the loss on Haley? **** him.

And this.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-17-2012, 11:06 AM
Pioli!

htismaqe
12-17-2012, 11:08 AM
Pioli!

Flashback 2009! :D

chiefzilla1501
12-17-2012, 11:21 AM
Bruce Ariens masked alot of the problems with Pitt. That line is terrible and their current run game isn't much better.

If Haley does go back to Arizona, better take the mothballs of your Breaston jerseys, he'll be a 60 catch guy again in no time.

The talent on the line and especially at running back are a hell of a lot worse this year. That's not coaching, that's personnel. But all in all, the steelers are blocking with better technique and big Ben is getting rid of the ball a hell of a lot faster. Ben is upset because he can't freelance but you cannot have him do that at his age behind this offensive line.

Their offense has been very good this yea despite a lot of adversity. The steelers have built their team around the defense being stingy with points and aggressive I'm creating turnovers. They're not doing either. And so you have way too many games like yesterday where the offense is productive but you end up losing.

jd1020
12-17-2012, 11:22 AM
I'm not a 'OMG Haley is awesome' guy. I think he had some good points and in some ways was in clearly over his head, but I think in Pittsburgh he's done a good job and did a good job yesterday in particular.

Kansas City - Where 20th ranked offenses is a good job.

Deberg_1990
12-23-2012, 05:15 PM
Wouldn't shock me if he's gone from Pittsburgh. He's not a good fit there. They just got bumped from the playoffs and their offense took a step backwards.

Haley blows, but I'll bet the Cards want him as a HC.

chagrin
12-23-2012, 05:19 PM
Come back to KC

WHY


why would anyone want that angry little man who blames everyone but his fucking self when shit goes wrong?

Just because this season has been a horror story doesn't mean we need to get desperate and go after whoever is available, nobody seems to like that guy and so far he's ONLY proven he can win with Kurt Warner, Bolden and Fitzgerald.

I hate the off season talk, it's always filled with shit like this. Romeo sucks, and was a horrible choice, Haley sucks and is a horrible idea.

FFS bring some good ideas instead of this shit.

chagrin
12-23-2012, 05:22 PM
Dude, Pittsburgh's defense gave up a ton of yards and points. Going no huddle always stresses your defense, and Haley not using it late in the game makes good solid sense to me, sorry.

I'm not a 'OMG Haley is awesome' guy. I think he had some good points and in some ways was in clearly over his head, but I think in Pittsburgh he's done a good job and did a good job yesterday in particular.


Dude, don't know if you've been watching this season and remembering the last 6 years, Pitt has taken a pretty big step back with Haley, that is painfully obvious and you have to be blind not to see his imprint on that team has not been good, decent or anything remotely close to previous years.

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 05:23 PM
Wouldn't shock me if he's gone from Pittsburgh. He's not a good fit there. They just got bumped from the playoffs and their offense took a step backwards.

Haley blows, but I'll bet the Cards want him as a HC.

Their offense was improved in almost every single category until Ben got hurt. Then he came back and started choking like Linda Lovelace.

Much like KC, Haley is a scapegoat not the actual culprit.

-King-
12-23-2012, 05:24 PM
I still wouldn't want Haley anywhere near my team if I were the Cardinals or any other team.

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 05:24 PM
Dude, don't know if you've been watching this season and remembering the last 6 years, Pitt has taken a pretty big step back with Haley, that is painfully obvious and you have to be blind not to see his imprint on that team has not been good, decent or anything remotely close to previous years.

I have seen all but one Pittsburgh game and his "imprint" when you can see it, has been positive.

Roethlisberger chokes, Steelers lose, bitter Chief fans blame Haley.

Seems reasonable.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-23-2012, 05:28 PM
"Master of Discipline, Toughness, and Ass-Whipping"

That is the only role I would accept him back as.

Deberg_1990
12-23-2012, 05:57 PM
Their offense was improved in almost every single category until Ben got hurt. Then he came back and started choking like Linda Lovelace.

Much like KC, Haley is a scapegoat not the actual culprit.

Well bye...dude stinks

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 05:57 PM
Well bye...dude stinks

And yet he's not the real problem in Pittsburgh, just like here.

BossChief
12-23-2012, 06:01 PM
I would absolutely LOVE to have Haley back with Geno Smith as his qb.

Rausch
12-23-2012, 06:02 PM
And yet he's not the real problem in Pittsburgh, just like here.

Yeah. Drop your shoes at the door.

And he's still an egomaniac prick...

bevischief
12-23-2012, 06:03 PM
Midgets!!

Rausch
12-23-2012, 06:05 PM
Midgets!!

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/02/tiptoes-tosh0-finds-matthew-mcconaugheys-midget-movie.html

Deberg_1990
12-23-2012, 06:06 PM
I would absolutely LOVE to have Haley back with Geno Smith as his qb.

Seriously? Is that the bar now? Todd Haley? Reach for the stars...woohoo.

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 06:07 PM
Yeah. Drop your shoes at the door.

And he's still an egomaniac prick...

Never said he wasn't.

He's also a dumbass. If he was smart, he wouldn't draw so much attention to himself.

It's really the ONLY reason a lot of Chief fans hate him.

Dave Lane
12-23-2012, 06:09 PM
I would absolutely LOVE to have Haley back with Geno Smith as his qb.

No shit, that would rock.

BossChief
12-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Never said he wasn't.

He's also a dumbass. If he was smart, he wouldn't draw so much attention to himself.

It's really the ONLY reason a lot of Chief fans hate him.

Matt Cassel.

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 06:18 PM
Matt Cassel.

That makes no sense.

Is that like some kind of Tourette's Syndrome?

chiefzilla1501
12-23-2012, 06:50 PM
Their offense was improved in almost every single category until Ben got hurt. Then he came back and started choking like Linda Lovelace.

Much like KC, Haley is a scapegoat not the actual culprit.

People here are ridiculously black or white. You either are 100% terrible or 100% awesome. Never any in between. And boy will people exaggerate to prove that point.

People acknowledge Haley was seriously hamstrung by a horrible gm and qb, yet they suggest that he should have won without him. I'm still trying to get an answer on what head coach would have succeeded under pioli with Matt cassel forced on him as a qb.

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-23-2012, 06:53 PM
Just saw on NBC 41 Jack Harry is reporting that Jason LaCanfora is saying Haley will be Arizonas top choice for replacing Whisenhunt.

Well if Jack said it!!!!!!!!

Mr. Laz
12-23-2012, 06:55 PM
I have seen all but one Pittsburgh game and his "imprint" when you can see it, has been positive.

Roethlisberger chokes, Steelers lose, bitter Chief fans blame Haley.

Seems reasonable.
Poor Todd


why is everyone always picking on him?

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Poor Todd


why is everyone always picking on him?

I don't know, because they wouldn't dare blame the person actually responsible because he wears Super Bowl rings?

Agent V
12-23-2012, 06:57 PM
Reach for the stars, Arizona. Christ.

Molitoth
12-23-2012, 06:57 PM
I still like Todd. I wish him the best. Big Ben is a baby.

stonedstooge
12-23-2012, 07:02 PM
It'll be interesting to see how he does if given a 2nd chance at head coach. He showed some good things here, but had some major fuckups too. Especially that time management shit with the clock

Sweet Daddy Hate
12-23-2012, 07:04 PM
Reach for the stars, Arizona. Christ.

LMAO
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/CaseyKasem.gif

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 07:05 PM
It'll be interesting to see how he does if given a 2nd chance at head coach. He showed some good things here, but had some major ****ups too. Especially that time management shit with the clock

He's not HC material. He's not mentally tough enough. Despite the gruff outward demeanor, guys that melt down like that, on national TV, lack willpower.

BossChief
12-23-2012, 07:06 PM
That makes no sense.

Is that like some kind of Tourette's Syndrome?

You are saying that it was his fail to be a hc/OC combo and I posted MC because he is probably the reason no good OCs wanted any part of that job in KC. ESPECIALLY when Pioli was adamant that Cassel was the starter and wouldn't bring in legit combination.

I'd bet almost anything that he hires a OC when he gets his next HC gig because people will actually want the job.

I'm telling you, Matt Cassel effected everything to do with the rest of the leagues perception with this team over the last 4 years...NOT Todd Haley as evidenced by the Steelers forcing Arians out to hire Haley and him being in HC talks after one year there.

Let me take it one step further...I wouldn't be the least but surprised to hear Haley turn down HC offers this offseason to stay in Pittsburgh another year and wait for a perfect opportunity to come about because he knows how the rest of the league thinks of him.

htismaqe
12-23-2012, 07:10 PM
You are saying that it was his fail to be a hc/OC combo and I posted MC because he is probably the reason no good OCs wanted any part of that job in KC. ESPECIALLY when Pioli was adamant that Cassel was the starter and wouldn't bring in legit combination.

No, you interpreted that wrong/I worded it poorly.

When I said "draw attention to himself" I meant the tirades and outbursts. It had nothing to do with the X's and O's - I actually think he's pretty good at those.

TribalElder
12-24-2012, 08:16 AM
lol

That powerhouse Steeler team that is always in the playoffs missed the playoffs

Hell yeah Todd, that's what I'm talking about

mdchiefsfan
12-24-2012, 08:19 AM
lol

That powerhouse Steeler team that is always in the playoffs missed the playoffs

Hell yeah Todd, that's what I'm talking about

Yea the team that has been dwindling year after year. The team we almost beat with Tyler Palko last year. Yup, it's all on Todd.

Keep trying.

jd1020
12-24-2012, 08:20 AM
Let me take it one step further...I wouldn't be the least but surprised to hear Haley turn down HC offers this offseason to stay in Pittsburgh another year and wait for a perfect opportunity to come about because he knows how the rest of the league thinks of him.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers fired him after 1 year there.

You've got a coach who didn't want him. A QB who didn't want him. The #1 defense in the league. With the 22nd ranked offense in the league.

Haley sucks and yet dumbass threads like this get bumped because people continue to swing from his sack like he was some genius in KC who didn't get to maximize his potential.

Everyone wants to talk about Roethlisbergers picks at the end of the game to lose. Yet no one wants to mention the whopping 10 point plan whipped up by Haley.

chiefzilla1501
12-24-2012, 08:33 AM
And I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers fired him after 1 year there.

You've got a coach who didn't want him. A QB who didn't want him. The #1 defense in the league. With the 22nd ranked offense in the league.

Haley sucks and yet dumbass threads like this get bumped because people continue to swing from his sack like he was some genius in KC who didn't get to maximize his potential.

Everyone wants to talk about Roethlisbergers picks at the end of the game to lose. Yet no one wants to mention the whopping 10 point plan whipped up by Haley.

You're an idiot. Haley isn't going to be fired and the offense isn't a disaster there. He hasn't been an offensive mastermind, but there are far bigger problems than Haley in Pittsburgh. And it starts with your idiotic claim that Haley is losing games behind a top notch defense. The defensive decline is one of the biggest reasons the Steelers aren't the Steelers.

And Haley was hired for a specific reason. Because Big Ben is 30 and can't afford to play in an aerial offense anymore and they can't afford to have Big Ben exposed as he's been in the past to get clobbered. Despite Ben's injury, he's been knocked around a whole lot less this year and even crappy linemen are blocking with much better technique, just as we saw in Kansas City. Haley isn't going to get fired.

jd1020
12-24-2012, 08:35 AM
You're an idiot. Haley isn't going to be fired and the offense isn't a disaster there. He hasn't been an offensive mastermind, but there are far bigger problems than Haley in Pittsburgh. And it starts with your idiotic claim that Haley is losing games behind a top notch defense. The defensive decline is one of the biggest reasons the Steelers aren't the Steelers.

And Haley was hired for a specific reason. Because Big Ben is 30 and can't afford to play in an aerial offense anymore and they can't afford to have Big Ben exposed as he's been in the past to get clobbered. Despite Ben's injury, he's been knocked around a whole lot less this year and even crappy linemen are blocking with much better technique, just as we saw in Kansas City. Haley isn't going to get fired.

ROFL

The #1 defense in the league is the reason the Steelers are failing...

WWWWOOOOOWWWW!!!

chiefzilla1501
12-24-2012, 08:47 AM
ROFL

The #1 defense in the league is the reason the Steelers are failing...

WWWWOOOOOWWWW!!!

Okay, captain "I read the stats pages." You're probably the same person who read Matt Cassel's stats page and said he had a pro bowl year in 2009 because he had healthy yards and few INTs.

Go tell any smart Steelers fan they have a #1 defense. See how much they laugh in your face.
-The Steelers have been ranked in the top TWO in points defense 5 times out of 6. This year, they're ranked TEN. They dropped ten spots.
-Their defense typically creates 25 takeaways a year. For the first time ever, they are on pace to not hit even close to 20. In fact, they are in the bottom 5 in takeaways

jd1020
12-24-2012, 08:54 AM
Damn yo!

They are 10th in points?

Thats a killer right there. Clearly why they aren't going to the playoffs.

Nothing to do with that terrible 22nd ranked offense they have... nothing!

But the offense is more "efficient," keep Haley! He's doing a bang up job!

chiefzilla1501
12-24-2012, 08:56 AM
ROFL

The #1 defense in the league is the reason the Steelers are failing...

WWWWOOOOOWWWW!!!

You want to have a smart conversation about why the Steelers are struggling instead of the herpderp "Haley is new. Steelers not win. Haley make Steeler not win" argument?

Defense isn't dominant anymore -- they're losing more games than usual and not taking the ball away. Injuries on offense -- Mendenhall has missed most of the season, they lost Willie Colon, David DeCastro, and Mike Adams all year long. Those were guys expected to be starters, and so you now have two scrubs starting in the interior line and a late round rookie starting at right tackle. Fumbles -- you can't explain it, but they have twice as many fumbles than in most years. 6 of those 20 fumbles came from backup RBs. Maybe that's on Haley. I don't know.

And sorry... but while I think Big Ben is a terrific player, his M.O. has ALWAYS been that he does just enough to win a game, and he is elite in his ability to do that. In the last 2 losses, in the Steelers' last drive, Big Ben had the ball and threw an open pass poorly and right into the hands of the receiver. I don't think Ben is 100% right now in his throwing arm. But those INTs are not bad playcalling. That's on the QB and those are throws Ben almost always completes.

jd1020
12-24-2012, 08:59 AM
All these excuses for Haley's failing.

When he was in KC: "Haley just needs a QB to be successful."

Insert the Steelers and Roethlisberger (he still sucks): [Insert excuse after excuse.]

But, but, but... Haley >>>> Crennel.

Good job Haley! Here's your Special Olympics gold medal!

chiefzilla1501
12-24-2012, 09:01 AM
Damn yo!

They are 10th in points?

Thats a killer right there. Clearly why they aren't going to the playoffs.

Nothing to do with that terrible 22nd ranked offense they have... nothing!

But the offense is more "efficient," keep Haley! He's doing a bang up job!

They were ranked 21st in offense last year. And they are ranked 21st in offense because they lost their thousand yard rushing RB and three out of 5 of their offensive linemen which, more than anything, led to a horrible run offense that was ranked 24th in the league.

Big Ben, by the way, was on pace to have career numbers in yards, TDs, and least amount of INTs and sacks before he got injured. But of course, this offense is poison to Big Ben.

If you watched games and didn't rely on stats pages, you'll see that the o-line is blocking with better technique but lousy backup talent are getting crushed. A lot of problems get solved by the time getting healthier or getting better depth.

jd1020
12-24-2012, 09:03 AM
Balls deep on Haley.

Sad.

chiefzilla1501
12-24-2012, 09:28 AM
All these excuses for Haley's failing.

When he was in KC: "Haley just needs a QB to be successful."

Insert the Steelers and Roethlisberger (he still sucks): [Insert excuse after excuse.]

But, but, but... Haley >>>> Crennel.

Good job Haley! Here's your Special Olympics gold medal!

Haley was fired because of a poor 2010. In that season, he was given cassel and jamaal Charles was out. So yes, it's ridiculous to expect a team that is solely reliant on Matt cassel to win games.

In Pittsburgh... The steelers have always been a close game team. Their defense is slipping and they're missing three starters on the offensive line blocking for running backs in what is now a bottom 10 running game.

These are not excuses. These are reasons. And the fact that you would throw Romeo in here, even though Haley was clearly better shows how much of a hater you are.

chiefzilla1501
12-24-2012, 09:30 AM
Balls deep on Haley.

Sad.

I have never said Haley was a great coach. I'm defending against idiots like you that believe Haley did everything wrong and that deny that he hasn't had a lot of bad breaks outside of his control that limited his success.

htismaqe
12-24-2012, 11:48 AM
And I wouldn't be surprised if the Steelers fired him after 1 year there.

You've got a coach who didn't want him. A QB who didn't want him. The #1 defense in the league. With the 22nd ranked offense in the league.

Haley sucks and yet dumbass threads like this get bumped because people continue to swing from his sack like he was some genius in KC who didn't get to maximize his potential.

Everyone wants to talk about Roethlisbergers picks at the end of the game to lose. Yet no one wants to mention the whopping 10 point plan whipped up by Haley.

The picks have a direct affect on the number of points scored.

Get over Todd Haley already. JFC

jd1020
12-24-2012, 11:53 AM
The picks have a direct affect on the number of points scored.

Get over Todd Haley already. JFC

I'll get over him the day he's no longer being talked about on this board with people saying "They'd love to have his less than mediocre ass back in KC."

htismaqe
12-24-2012, 12:02 PM
I'll get over him the day he's no longer being talked about on this board with people saying "They'd love to have his less than mediocre ass back in KC."

Why does it bother you? If he sucks that bad, why do you care?

Petty much?

jd1020
12-24-2012, 12:04 PM
Why does it bother you? If he sucks that bad, why do you care?

Petty much?

Why do you continue to show up in Haley threads if you are done with him?

burt
12-24-2012, 12:07 PM
Read the OP and immediately thought..."and not a fuck was given...."

htismaqe
12-24-2012, 12:12 PM
Why do you continue to show up in Haley threads if you are done with him?

I am not done with him. Somebody has to make sure the truth is represented in this world of all black, all white.

jd1020
12-24-2012, 12:13 PM
I am not done with him. Somebody has to make sure the truth is represented in this world of all black, all white.

The only truth is that Haley is terrible.

Just because you are too blind/stupid to see the obvious doesn't make this world all black or all white.

htismaqe
12-24-2012, 12:22 PM
The only truth is that Haley is terrible.

Just because you are too blind/stupid to see the obvious doesn't make this world all black or all white.

That's precisely what I am talking about.

Enjoy your ignorance.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-03-2013, 09:10 AM
Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki

I'm hearing Cards has requested permission interview Steelers OC Todd Haley.

notorious
01-03-2013, 09:11 AM
They don't have a QB at Arizona.

Get ready for another epic failure.

Strongside
01-03-2013, 09:11 AM
Just saw the Jurecki tweet. Reid was probably their first choice. We just screwed AZ in more ways than one.

Red And Yellow
01-03-2013, 09:12 AM
I always liked Haley, during his last season at KC thought he was the only one that looked like he gave a S*** on the sideline

BigMeatballDave
01-03-2013, 09:13 AM
I'll get over him the day he's no longer being talked about on this board with people saying "They'd love to have his less than mediocre ass back in KC."

ROFL Why are you posting in this thread?

philfree
01-03-2013, 09:14 AM
Mike Jurecki ‏@mikejurecki

I'm hearing Cards has requested permission interview Steelers OC Todd Haley.

He'll be the HC of a team without a QB again. He'll probably bring in Palko...LOL

TitchCity
01-03-2013, 09:17 AM
They just asked for permission, I think it would be a huge mistake if the AZ Cards were to hire him. IMO Ray Horton should be their top candidate.

Molitoth
01-03-2013, 09:21 AM
He'll be the HC of a team without a QB again. He'll probably bring in Palko...LOL

o'rly. So Palko was Haley's gift to the roster, or Pioli's?

htismaqe
01-03-2013, 09:32 AM
He'll be the HC of a team without a QB again. He'll probably bring in Palko...LOL

Kolb isn't Matt Cassel.

DeezNutz
01-03-2013, 10:04 AM
I hope he goes there and does incredibly well.

suds79
01-03-2013, 10:05 AM
I hope he goes there and does incredibly well.

Yep. Me too.

And I think he could assuming he doesn't have a GM undermining him.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-04-2013, 08:59 AM
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn

Steelers OC Todd Haley has not yet agreed to interview for Cardinals HC job and proceeding cautiously because he loves working for Steelers

Brock
01-04-2013, 08:59 AM
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn

Steelers OC Todd Haley has not yet agreed to interview for Cardinals HC job and proceeding cautiously because he loves working for Steelers

LMAO

jd1020
01-04-2013, 09:01 AM
Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn

Steelers OC Todd Haley has not yet agreed to interview for Cardinals HC job and proceeding cautiously because he loves working for Steelers

He's comfortable riding coattails.

htismaqe
01-04-2013, 09:04 AM
He's comfortable riding coattails.

Or maybe he just realizes he's not a very good head coach and likes what he's doing now, in his boyhood hometown no less.

ChiefsandO'sfan
01-09-2013, 12:16 PM
Kent Somers ‏@kentsomers

#azcardinals are interviewing Steelers OC Todd Haley today, according to sources

Chiefnj2
01-09-2013, 12:19 PM
I heard Big Ben stuffed Haley in his trunk and personally drove him to AZ for the interview.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-09-2013, 12:25 PM
zilla just JIHP

Brock
01-09-2013, 12:47 PM
Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, and Jeff Fisher chuckled.