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the Talking Can
01-09-2013, 11:19 AM
updated with latest - Feb 27th

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

1. Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

2. Kansas City Chiefs: Margus Hunt, DE/DT, SMU

3. Kansas City Chiefs: Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State

4. Kansas City Chiefs: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

jd1020
01-09-2013, 12:03 PM
He has Xavier Rhodes going #51 to the Redskins and us taking Justin Hunter because we let Bowe go and then taking a CB in round 3... :facepalm:

Saccopoo
01-10-2013, 01:02 AM
He has Xavier Rhodes going #51 to the Redskins and us taking Justin Hunter because we let Bowe go and then taking a CB in round 3... :facepalm:

Fuck this fucking guy.

ntexascardfan
01-13-2013, 01:05 PM
Instead of a WR in round two I don't know why we don't take a TE like Zach Ertz.

Especially if we manage to trade out of #1 and get another early second round pick.

It's been a while since we've had a TE we can count on.

DJ's left nut
01-13-2013, 03:36 PM
I don't think Rhodes will make it to us at 2.2....but if he does we have to take him, IMO.

I love Justin Hunter and would JIMP if we took him, provided that we don't take him ahead of Rhodes.

I'm not terribly worried. Reid has always focused on the same areas I prefer we focus on (QB, LT, Pass Rushers and CBs) so I'm fairly confident that he'll put together a draft that I like.

CrownChief
01-13-2013, 06:34 PM
I think we should tag Albert and trade him to the Eagles for their 2nd. My dream scenario:

Restructure Jackson's contract, Re-sign Colquitt & Pitoitua, Sign Wallace (WR, Steelers), Vick, and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Draft
1a. Joeckel (LT, Texas A&M) - could be best LT in the league someday
1b. Barkley (QB, USC) - trade up with 4th and 6th, good fit for west coast offense
2. Hunt (DE, SMU) - JJ Watt measurables, drops due to rawness and age
3a. Brown (ILB, Kansas St) - Belcher's replacement
3b. Lattimore (RB, South Carolina) - value pick

jd1020
01-13-2013, 07:25 PM
I think we should tag Albert and trade him to the Eagles for their 2nd. My dream scenario:

Restructure Jackson's contract, Re-sign Colquitt & Pitoitua, Sign Wallace (WR, Steelers), Vick, and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Draft
1a. Joeckel (LT, Texas A&M) - could be best LT in the league someday
1b. Barkley (QB, USC) - trade up with 4th and 6th, good fit for west coast offense
2. Hunt (DE, SMU) - JJ Watt measurables, drops due to rawness and age
3a. Brown (ILB, Kansas St) - Belcher's replacement
3b. Lattimore (RB, South Carolina) - value pick

DIAF

Saccopoo
01-13-2013, 08:54 PM
I think we should tag Albert and trade him to the Eagles for their 2nd. My dream scenario:

Restructure Jackson's contract, Re-sign Colquitt & Pitoitua, Sign Wallace (WR, Steelers), Vick, and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Draft
1a. Joeckel (LT, Texas A&M) - could be best LT in the league someday
1b. Barkley (QB, USC) - trade up with 4th and 6th, good fit for west coast offense
2. Hunt (DE, SMU) - JJ Watt measurables, drops due to rawness and age
3a. Brown (ILB, Kansas St) - Belcher's replacement
3b. Lattimore (RB, South Carolina) - value pick

Nice first post...

http://www.twistappel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/full-retard.gif

Count Alex's Losses
01-13-2013, 11:00 PM
Whoa. I had no idea draftplanet was actually active.

htismaqe
01-14-2013, 09:38 AM
I think we should tag Albert and trade him to the Eagles for their 2nd. My dream scenario:

Restructure Jackson's contract, Re-sign Colquitt & Pitoitua, Sign Wallace (WR, Steelers), Vick, and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Draft
1a. Joeckel (LT, Texas A&M) - could be best LT in the league someday
1b. Barkley (QB, USC) - trade up with 4th and 6th, good fit for west coast offense
2. Hunt (DE, SMU) - JJ Watt measurables, drops due to rawness and age
3a. Brown (ILB, Kansas St) - Belcher's replacement
3b. Lattimore (RB, South Carolina) - value pick

That's your DREAM scenario?

Do you often dream of getting fist-fucked by midgets, too?

KC_Lee
01-14-2013, 11:39 AM
That's your DREAM scenario?

Do you often dream of getting fist-****ed by midgets, too?

ROFLROFLROFL

Dicky McElephant
01-14-2013, 12:43 PM
If I'm going off of that mock....I'd rather see. *I'm also including a comp 3rd for Carr.

1. Geno Smith, QB
2. Xavier Rhodes, CB
3. Da'Rick Rogers, WR
3. Zac Dysert, QB
4. Phillip Thomas, S

Nightfyre
01-14-2013, 09:08 PM
If I'm going off of that mock....I'd rather see. *I'm also including a comp 3rd for Carr.

1. Geno Smith, QB
2. Xavier Rhodes, CB
3. Da'Rick Rogers, WR
3. Zac Dysert, QB
4. Phillip Thomas, S

Oh god... Now look what you've done. I have to go change pants. #creamedinmajeans.

Dicky McElephant
01-15-2013, 11:22 AM
If I'm going off of that mock....I'd rather see. *I'm also including a comp 3rd for Carr.

1. Geno Smith, QB
2. Xavier Rhodes, CB
3. Da'Rick Rogers, WR
3. Zac Dysert, QB
4. Phillip Thomas, S

And one without a WR and a 2nd QB.

1. Geno Smith, QB
2. Xavier Rhodes, CB
3. Chase Thomas, DE/OLB
3. William Gholston, DE/DT, Michigan State
4. Phillip Thomas, S

Saccopoo
01-15-2013, 12:21 PM
If I'm going off of that mock....I'd rather see. *I'm also including a comp 3rd for Carr.

1. Geno Smith, QB
2. Xavier Rhodes, CB
3. Da'Rick Rogers, WR
3. Zac Dysert, QB
4. Phillip Thomas, S

I think that when everything is said and done, Rhodes will likely be gone in the first round, jumping over Mississippi State Jon Banks. Milliner will likely go to the Lions, and won't fall past the Titans. After that, Rhodes' combination of size and downfield speed and nastiness is going to be hard to pass on for a team like the Bucs.

However, I think that both Banks and Amerson are potential studs at the #2 CB slot. Both long, big guys with a superb nose for the ball. Banks is one of the most fluid CB's I've seen in a long time at the college level, and Amerson has a ridiculous nose for the ball. He tried to do a little too much this season in attempting to match his junior year numbers and got burned for it a couple of times, but he's ridiculously talented.

Both are really good press coverage guys who play really long against the thrown ball. Both will come up hard in run support as well.

Dicky McElephant
01-15-2013, 03:08 PM
Updating today.

1. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
I wrote earlier that this pick largely depended on what would happen with Scott Pioli. If Pioli were retained, he'd draft Star Lotulelei or Luke Joeckel and then use his second-round pick on Mike Glennon, whom he likes. If Pioli were fired, however, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, the new general manager would almost have to take a franchise quarterback.

Well, it was the latter situation that occurred. Andy Reid was hired, while Pioli was axed. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, but whether that means Reid will spend this selection on a quarterback or sign his aging, scrambling signal-caller from Philadelphia remains to be seen. But if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Geno Smith.

Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense.

ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley or Glennon. We'll see. Four months is a long time. If this doesn't happen, the Chiefs could always trade down.

By the way, I'm doing this live because I thought it'd be fun to get instant feedback. I'm going to post my mock anyway, so why not do it this way? Follow @walterfootball for updates.

34. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
Kansas City's new quarterback will need a new receiver if Dwayne Bowe leaves. I wouldn't spend the money on Bowe; he's overrated because he's inconsistent and piles up most of his stats in garbage time. He was responsible for a ton of turnovers, including both of Matt Cassel's interceptions against the Ravens.

63. William Gholston, DE/DT, Michigan State
Glenn Dorsey will be a free agent in March and Tyson Jackson is due more than $14 million next year, so it appears as though their disappointing tenures in Kansas City are coming to an end.

I'll update this when he finishes our 4th round pick.

htismaqe
01-15-2013, 03:29 PM
Updating today.

I'll update this when he finishes our 4th round pick.

Gholston is a beast. I'm not sure he last that long.

Saccopoo
01-15-2013, 03:56 PM
Gholston is a beast. I'm not sure he last that long.

Ummm...he had a pretty average year in 2012.

I'm telling you, if you want a guy of that size with a motor, Utah's Joe Kruger is your guy. He just declared for the draft and is 6'7", 280 lbs. and led the Utes in sacks this past season. Utah defensive guys are very well coached and come into the league prepared to play.

O.city
01-15-2013, 04:08 PM
Gholston didn't have a very good pass rushing year. Has the tools, but didn't develop.

htismaqe
01-15-2013, 04:08 PM
Ummm...he had a pretty average year in 2012.

I'm telling you, if you want a guy of that size with a motor, Utah's Joe Kruger is your guy. He just declared for the draft and is 6'7", 280 lbs. and led the Utes in sacks this past season. Utah defensive guys are very well coached and come into the league prepared to play.

That whole team had a down year really.

Definitely agree on Kruger though.

htismaqe
01-15-2013, 04:09 PM
Gholston didn't have a very good pass rushing year. Has the tools, but didn't develop.

He's not going to be a top-end pass rusher. He's more of a plugger.

O.city
01-15-2013, 04:12 PM
He's not going to be a top-end pass rusher. He's more of a plugger.

Yeah, and I assume he would play DE here? I'd like to find a little more pass rush up there.

htismaqe
01-15-2013, 04:20 PM
Yeah, and I assume he would play DE here? I'd like to find a little more pass rush up there.

He's provide more pass rush than Dorsey and Jackson.

Keep in mind that even in a 1-gap, you're not gonna get double-digit sacks from DE very often.

O.city
01-15-2013, 04:22 PM
He's provide more pass rush than Dorsey and Jackson.

Keep in mind that even in a 1-gap, you're not gonna get double-digit sacks from DE very often.

I know. I like Gholston, quite a bit.

I think he's a solid DE in the 34. I'm just looking for that next Keisel or Watt.

htismaqe
01-16-2013, 10:07 AM
I know. I like Gholston, quite a bit.

I think he's a solid DE in the 34. I'm just looking for that next Keisel or Watt.

Keisel <<< Watt

the Talking Can
01-16-2013, 10:14 AM
Updating today.







I'll update this when he finishes our 4th round pick.

4th round unchanged

Kansas City Chiefs: Jamie Collins, DE/OLB, Southern Miss
The Chiefs don't have much depth behind Tamba Hali and Justin Houston - as they discovered in the Week 1 loss to Atlanta - so they could spend an early 2013 NFL Draft pick on a rush linebacker.

O.city
01-16-2013, 01:26 PM
Walter Cherepinsky ‏@walterfootball

An NFL general manager tells @AnthonyLGargano that he would take #WVU @GenoSmith_12 with his No. 1 pick. Should go to #Chiefs or #Eagles

Rambozo
01-16-2013, 01:34 PM
I think we should tag Albert and trade him to the Eagles for their 2nd. My dream scenario:

Restructure Jackson's contract, Re-sign Colquitt & Pitoitua, Sign Wallace (WR, Steelers), Vick, and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Draft
1a. Joeckel (LT, Texas A&M) - could be best LT in the league someday
1b. Barkley (QB, USC) - trade up with 4th and 6th, good fit for west coast offense
2. Hunt (DE, SMU) - JJ Watt measurables, drops due to rawness and age
3a. Brown (ILB, Kansas St) - Belcher's replacement
3b. Lattimore (RB, South Carolina) - value pick

If we were really going to tag and trade Albert, we would have to get two firsts for him per the new cba. It's a longshot but, I think St. Louis is the team that would do it. They need a LT bad and they aren't going to get one with the 16th or 22nd picks. Also, KC would have to be dead set in taking Joeckel #1. The trade would have to happen before the draft imo.

NightHawk
01-16-2013, 02:06 PM
This is what I would like to happen in the first four rounds.

1. QB
2. CB (Need a number 2 CB right behind Flowers)
3. WR (In Case we lose bowe to fa)
4. ILB (maybe a DE, who can replace Dorsey)

Der Flöprer
01-16-2013, 02:25 PM
As a Washington Husky guy I'll chime in that I'm not a big fan of Desmond Trufant. I think he's living off of his name right now as a 3rd round pick. He's not his brother...

bsp4444
01-16-2013, 02:26 PM
This is what I would like to happen in the first four rounds.

1. QB
2. CB (Need a number 2 CB right behind Flowers)
3. WR (In Case we lose bowe to fa)
4. ILB (maybe a DE, who can replace Dorsey)

We should get another third round pick for Carr, and I'd like to see us take a safety.

Fat Elvis
01-16-2013, 03:18 PM
This is what I would like to happen in the first four rounds.

1. QB
2. CB (Need a number 2 CB right behind Flowers)
3. WR (In Case we lose bowe to fa)
4. ILB (maybe a DE, who can replace Dorsey)


In that case, how about:

1. Geno Smith
2. Tony Jefferson (we need another safety as bad as we need a CB, and there isn't a CB around this part of the draft as good as Jefferson. I also think we will bring in DRC)
3. Da'Rick Rogers
4. Kevin Reddick

jd1020
01-16-2013, 05:50 PM
In that case, how about:

1. Geno Smith
2. Tony Jefferson (we need another safety as bad as we need a CB, and there isn't a CB around this part of the draft as good as Jefferson. I also think we will bring in DRC)
3. Da'Rick Rogers
4. Kevin Reddick

Gonna go ahead and disagree with that.

milkman
01-16-2013, 05:52 PM
If I'm going off of that mock....I'd rather see. *I'm also including a comp 3rd for Carr.

1. Geno Smith, QB
2. Xavier Rhodes, CB
3. Da'Rick Rogers, WR
3. Zac Dysert, QB
4. Phillip Thomas, S

I haven't watched college football as much this year as I have in the past.

I have watched every geno Smith game but 2, and watched all of Tyler Wilson's games that have aired here, as well as all of Matt Barkley's game.

Which leads me to this question.

Who would be the best available strong safety so that we could move Berry to free?

NightHawk
01-16-2013, 06:44 PM
In that case, how about:

1. Geno Smith
2. Tony Jefferson (we need another safety as bad as we need a CB, and there isn't a CB around this part of the draft as good as Jefferson. I also think we will bring in DRC)
3. Da'Rick Rogers
4. Kevin Reddick

Don't know too much onKevin Reddick or Da'Rick Rodgers before as I have never seem them play. However, I'm loving the Geno Smith and Tony Jefferson picks for round one and two. If we did bring DRC, I would like this pick of Tony Jefferson. I'm still kinda hoping one of the good CB's will fall out of the first round.

the Talking Can
01-16-2013, 07:55 PM
we need to nail the 2nd pick Flowers style....not McCluster style

the perk of losing ass loads of games is that you basically have 2 firsts...they have to be 2 starters

Rambozo
01-16-2013, 09:31 PM
I haven't watched college football as much this year as I have in the past.

I have watched every geno Smith game but 2, and watched all of Tyler Wilson's games that have aired here, as well as all of Matt Barkley's game.

Which leads me to this question.

Who would be the best available strong safety so that we could move Berry to free?

Lester from Bama and Williams from Georgia are both good and project to go in the 3rd round. They are both thumpers. It's a pretty weak class for strong safeties. I would be suprised if one went in the first two rounds.

I would also be suprised if they move Berry. He's made the pro bowl as a SS both years he's played. I think the new staff won't screw with him as much as Romeo did last year. I think they'll let him just line up like a normal SS rather than blitz all the time and move all over the place. He plays the run better than any SS in the game imo.

We would be better served to take Rambo, FS, from Georgia in the second or third imo. He would be a first rounder if he hadn't gotten in trouble. He's a ball hawk and he can hit. Also, FS is much deeper than SS in this class.

Chris Meck
01-16-2013, 10:50 PM
QB and a CB at 1 and 2 would certainly fill the biggest holes on the team. Sign a mid priced ILB to play thumper and a safety in FA and you've gone a long way towards winning.

ForeverChiefs58
01-17-2013, 07:29 AM
We have a few holes and Hunt has the money. So, no need to make new holes that need to waste draft picks on. Sign Albert and Bowe.

If we can walk away from draft with upgrades at QB, CB, S, ILB, DE and Oline and WR depth = homerun.

DaKCMan AP
01-17-2013, 09:48 AM
Very classy. Would not be upset at all if we grab this kid at the top of rd 2. I doubt he lasts that long..

http://gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/sharrif-floyd-thank-you-letter-570x361.jpg

O.city
01-17-2013, 01:59 PM
I think Floyd might be the best 34 DE prospect in the draft. He's there in the second, along with a top end Cb, it's gonna be a hard choice, IMO.

DaKCMan AP
01-18-2013, 07:14 AM
I think Floyd might be the best 34 DE prospect in the draft. He's there in the second, along with a top end Cb, it's gonna be a hard choice, IMO.

Yep. I'm torn between whether I'd take Floyd or Rhodes at the top of rd 2. I don't think either will be there, however.

Chris Meck
01-18-2013, 08:11 PM
we need a corner worse than another d lineman. If you've got 'em rated anywhere close, you take the corner.

Rexx
01-18-2013, 09:14 PM
QB and a CB at 1 and 2 would certainly fill the biggest holes on the team. Sign a mid priced ILB to play thumper and a safety in FA and you've gone a long way towards winning.

This. I am hoping this is exactly how they approach the offseason. I'd like to see them draft a safety in round 3 or 4 as well.

BossChief
01-20-2013, 09:24 AM
we need a corner worse than another d lineman. If you've got 'em rated anywhere close, you take the corner.

Dorsey and Jackson will likely both be gone...Unless they are able towork something out with both of them...We need DL again.

ArrowheadMagic
01-20-2013, 09:46 AM
I haven't watched college football as much this year as I have in the past.

I have watched every geno Smith game but 2, and watched all of Tyler Wilson's games that have aired here, as well as all of Matt Barkley's game.

Which leads me to this question.

Who would be the best available strong safety so that we could move Berry to free?

Best case scenario is Matt Elam from Florida falling to the top of the 2nd. Partial to Jefferson from OU, similar type player as Berry, but he kind of faded towards the end of the season. Played poorly in the Cotton bowl. Looked slow, but he has been dealing with injuries. Interested to see him at the combine.

Honestly, think it might be better to address the back 7 thru FA and draft for depth. Anything to get Lewis and Brown off the field.

htismaqe
01-21-2013, 10:01 AM
Dorsey and Jackson will likely both be gone...Unless they are able towork something out with both of them...We need DL again.

3-4 DEs can be drafted late. Hell, you can find good ones as UDFA.

O.city
01-21-2013, 05:13 PM
3-4 DEs can be drafted late. Hell, you can find good ones as UDFA.

Yeah true.

However, if Hunt is what everyone says he is or will be, if he were there in the second I'd think about taking him.

Saccopoo
01-21-2013, 06:52 PM
Yeah true.

However, if Hunt is what everyone says he is or will be, if he were there in the second I'd think about taking him.

For nearly 10 years, Bruce Feldman, a writer for CBSSports.com, has annually compiled what he calls a "Freak List" of the 10 college football players he considers the most freakish athletes. In 2012, Hunt was on top of his list. According to Feldman, Hunt "sounds like a PlayStation football creation"—despite his 82-inch (2.1 m) wingspan, he is able to bench press 225 pounds (102 kg) 35 times, and has also cleaned 384 pounds (174 kg) and snatched 345 pounds (156 kg). Hunt also boasts a 36-inch (91 cm) vertical jump. Wollman predicts that Hunt will have 45 repetitions and a 4.6-second 40-yard dash at the 2013 NFL combine

However, I'd much rather have a starting CB in the second and someone like Joe Kruger in the fourth/fifth. There is going to be a really good CB sitting there with that second round pick.

O.city
01-21-2013, 06:53 PM
Yeah, CB is a need.


TBH, if we were to sign Talib in free agency, I woudln't be upset.

the Talking Can
01-29-2013, 07:23 AM
updated on 23rd...late round changes

1. Geno Smith
2. Justin Hunter

3. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
Glenn Dorsey will be a free agent in March and Tyson Jackson is due more than $14 million next year, so it appears as though their disappointing tenures in Kansas City are coming to an end.

4. Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State
The Chiefs don't have much depth behind Tamba Hali and Justin Houston - as they discovered in the Week 1 loss to Atlanta - so they could spend an early 2013 NFL Draft pick on a rush linebacker.

Frosty
01-29-2013, 08:29 AM
I would love to pick Datone Jones. However, I doubt he makes it to the 3rd.

Mr. Arrowhead
01-29-2013, 12:18 PM
new one up today
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Scott Pioli was fired, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, and he's been replaced by Andy Reid and his staff. The question is whether Reid will take a shot on a quarterback or go the safe route with Luke Joeckel.

Chris Mortensen said Monday that he expects Joeckel to be the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, but has a feeling that Reid will select a quarterback - which means he expects him to trade down. I agree with Mort. I'm not sure about the moving down part - Kansas City will sure as hell try - but here's why Geno Smith will be the pick, barring any big acquisition in free agency:

1. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, and if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Smith. Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense.

2. ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Matt Barkley or Mike Glennon. We'll see. Three months is a long time.

3. Think no one believes Smith is worth the No. 1 pick? Think again. Anthony Gargano of 94 WIP in Philadelphia revealed that he spoke to a general manager who told him that he would draft Smith with the first-overall selection. This is just one general manager, but if one GM wants Smith that badly, then there's a chance that several do. Smith has a ton of upside, so a quarterback-friendly coach like Reid might think he could coach him up to a Pro Bowl level.

4. My Chiefs' source, who has a high success rate of delivering Kansas City's first-round picks, told me Smith is currently the favorite to go No. 1 overall, but conceded that it's still too early in the process. He said that the combination of Joeckel and Tyler Wilson is also a strong possibility.

Chocolate Hog
01-29-2013, 12:35 PM
Ill take a play making WR over a CB any day of the week. You can win in this league with an average #2 CB.

Fat Elvis
01-29-2013, 01:11 PM
new one up today
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Scott ***** was fired, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, and he's been replaced by Andy Reid and his staff. The question is whether Reid will take a shot on a quarterback or go the safe route with Luke Joeckel.

Chris Mortensen said Monday that he expects Joeckel to be the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, but has a feeling that Reid will select a quarterback - which means he expects him to trade down. I agree with Mort. I'm not sure about the moving down part - Kansas City will sure as hell try - but here's why Geno Smith will be the pick, barring any big acquisition in free agency:

1. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, and if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Smith. Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense.

2. ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Matt Barkley or Mike Glennon. We'll see. Three months is a long time.

3. Think no one believes Smith is worth the No. 1 pick? Think again. Anthony Gargano of 94 WIP in Philadelphia revealed that he spoke to a general manager who told him that he would draft Smith with the first-overall selection. This is just one general manager, but if one GM wants Smith that badly, then there's a chance that several do. Smith has a ton of upside, so a quarterback-friendly coach like Reid might think he could coach him up to a Pro Bowl level.

4. My Chiefs' source, who has a high success rate of delivering Kansas City's first-round picks, told me Smith is currently the favorite to go No. 1 overall, but conceded that it's still too early in the process. He said that the combination of Joeckel and Tyler Wilson is also a strong possibility.


Wowsers.:toast:

Dicky McElephant
01-29-2013, 01:19 PM
On Jarvis Jones falling (He has him going #17 in his latest mock):

Jarvis Jones Expected To Slide on Draft Day
Published Jan. 18, 2013
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones had been one of the most dominant football players in college football the past two seasons. He's destroyed the SEC for those two years, as many consider him to be one of the most talented players in the 2013 NFL Draft class. Jones is on top of my 2013 NFL Draft Big Board, as well as ESPN's Mel Kiper's.

However, after speaking with scouts at the East-West Shrine Game who have Jones in their territory, they say they expect Jones to slide down and fall out of the top five next April.

The scouts said there are a few reasons that could add up to Jones falling into the 6-10 range. First of all, the scouts said that Jones is not a good workout guy. They don't believe that he is going to test well or stand out in the Combine or pre-draft workouts. Area scouts who cover Georgia say that Jones is not a weight-room guy. He doesn't put a lot of work in during the week, but would show up on Saturday and dominate naturally.

They said that Jones is a good guy and a good teammate, but just isn't a tireless worker. As one scout said, "Don't get me wrong, if you watch his tapes you'll say he is worth being the No. 1 rated player and going in the top five of the draft. You can watch him on Saturdays and see that this guy is animal. He's clearly the best player on the field, but not a guy that you'll be in love with during the week. Add in the medical concern and with the testing, and I think he's going to slide some on Draft Day."

Jones' medical condition is a spinal stenosis that happened as a freshman at USC. On a routine hit against Oregon, Jones sustained the injury. A specialist told him he would be fine, but USC's doctors wouldn't clear him and told him he should retire from football. After transferring to Georgia, Jones broke out as one of the best players in college football.

As a junior, Jones had 85 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 24.5 tackles for a loss, seven forced fumbles, three passes broken up and one interception in 2012. Jones had massive performances against Florida and Missouri with consistently good outings all year. Jones led the nation in sacks and for the second straight season had the most sacks in the SEC.

In 2011, he tied for the second-most sacks in the nation, 13.5. He also had 70 tackles with 19.5 tackles for a loss and two forced fumbles.

Jones could be a classic example of teams overthinking the draft process. Over the history of the draft, good players have slid because of an unnecessary medical concerns or not working out well at the Combine. If Jones plays in the NFL like he did at Georgia, he'll reward whomever takes him on Draft Day with plenty of teams feeling regret.

Der Flöprer
01-29-2013, 01:27 PM
4. My Chiefs' source, who has a high success rate of delivering Kansas City's first-round picks, told me Smith is currently the favorite to go No. 1 overall, but conceded that it's still too early in the process. He said that the combination of Joeckel and Tyler Wilson is also a strong possibility.

:whackit: :whackit: :whackit:

Sorter
01-29-2013, 01:39 PM
On Jarvis Jones falling (He has him going #17 in his latest mock):

That would be so sweet if he somehow fell to us at 34.

BossChief
01-29-2013, 01:45 PM
That would be so sweet if he somehow fell to us at 34.

If he slips to 20 or so, I'd be on the phones trying to move up.

htismaqe
01-29-2013, 01:54 PM
I'm not trading picks for Jones. Nobody knows how long he is good for.

If he slides to 34, fine take him. But don't give up picks to get him.

Sorter
01-29-2013, 01:58 PM
If he slips to 20 or so, I'd be on the phones trying to move up.

The reason I really wanted Mercilus last year was that he provided flexibility and supreme depth. Additionally, with the way Tamba plays he's probably due for an injury or a very quick drop off IMO once he hits the wall.

If Rhodes, Rambo, and Banks had already been taken in addition to most of the usual 1st round projections, I'd consider moving up for him.

Rudy lost the toss
01-29-2013, 02:43 PM
3-4 DEs can be drafted late. Hell, you can find good ones as UDFA.

I know it's probably not a popular opinion but I'd be very interested in Montgomery or Okafor for round 2 if either come in around 270.

Dicky McElephant
01-29-2013, 02:53 PM
Look at that 2nd round. JFC....

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013_2.php

htismaqe
01-29-2013, 03:10 PM
I know it's probably not a popular opinion but I'd be very interested in Montgomery or Okafor for round 2 if either come in around 270.

Not sure I see Montgomery lasting that long.

Honestly, I care the most, BY FAR, about 1-1.

We need to take a QB. After that, I'm WIDE open and down for whatever.

The Bad Guy
01-29-2013, 06:54 PM
Walter is full of shit about his high rate of success with Chiefs picks.

MagicHef
01-29-2013, 07:20 PM
So... he has the Broncos taking Desmond Trufant in the first. Would trading for Revis take more than a #1 pick? If not, why not do that instead?

CoMoChief
01-29-2013, 07:42 PM
Dorsey and Jackson will likely both be gone...Unless they are able towork something out with both of them...We need DL again.

ROFL dude lmao everytime at your sig

ForeverChiefs58
01-29-2013, 08:57 PM
new one up today
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Scott ***** was fired, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, and he's been replaced by Andy Reid and his staff. The question is whether Reid will take a shot on a quarterback or go the safe route with Luke Joeckel.

Chris Mortensen said Monday that he expects Joeckel to be the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, but has a feeling that Reid will select a quarterback - which means he expects him to trade down. I agree with Mort. I'm not sure about the moving down part - Kansas City will sure as hell try - but here's why Geno Smith will be the pick, barring any big acquisition in free agency:

1. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, and if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Smith. Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense.

2. ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Matt Barkley or Mike Glennon. We'll see. Three months is a long time.

3. Think no one believes Smith is worth the No. 1 pick? Think again. Anthony Gargano of 94 WIP in Philadelphia revealed that he spoke to a general manager who told him that he would draft Smith with the first-overall selection. This is just one general manager, but if one GM wants Smith that badly, then there's a chance that several do. Smith has a ton of upside, so a quarterback-friendly coach like Reid might think he could coach him up to a Pro Bowl level.

4. My Chiefs' source, who has a high success rate of delivering Kansas City's first-round picks, told me Smith is currently the favorite to go No. 1 overall, but conceded that it's still too early in the process. He said that the combination of Joeckel and Tyler Wilson is also a strong possibility.

What bugs me when someone says "trade down and get a QB"

Jacksonville Jaguars #2
Oakland Raiders #3
Cleveland Browns #6
Arizona Cardinals #7
Buffalo Bills #8
New York Jets #9

All in the top 10 right behind us who could draft a QB if some dumbass team in front of them decides to pass on the biggest need in the NFL.

NJChiefsFan
01-29-2013, 11:52 PM
What bugs me when someone says "trade down and get a QB"

Jacksonville Jaguars #2
Oakland Raiders #3
Cleveland Browns #6
Arizona Cardinals #7
Buffalo Bills #8
New York Jets #9

All in the top 10 right behind us who could draft a QB if some dumbass team in front of them decides to pass on the biggest need in the NFL.

Well the premise that makes them say trade down in the first place is that they don't respect any of the QB options. Hell, by saying trade down they are looking at QB desperate team like KC and not giving them the QB at their spot. Not surprising they they expect QBs to slip by these other teams. They don't respect these prospects and they don't seem to get how much teams want QBs in a league that demands you have a QB.

RunKC
01-30-2013, 12:40 AM
If he slips to 20 or so, I'd be on the phones trying to move up.

If Jarvis Jones is there at 20, then that means there is something seriously wrong with him according to that report.

I'm not giving up picks for him when we have Houston and Tamba. Jones doesn't fit in our defense with them here and Tamba surely has at least 3 more productive years.

ForeverChiefs58
01-30-2013, 12:44 AM
Well the premise that makes them say trade down in the first place is that they don't respect any of the QB options. Hell, by saying trade down they are looking at QB desperate team like KC and not giving them the QB at their spot. Not surprising they they expect QBs to slip by these other teams. They don't respect these prospects and they don't seem to get how much teams want QBs in a league that demands you have a QB.

No it's not even that, it's when they'll have teams right behind us draft a QB. They'll say Chiefs should trade down, with caption "because no QB is worth #1", then turn around and have a team right behind us in top 10 take a QB. An example is Ariz' caption "because they had the worst QB play and should fix QB problems"

It makes me say WTF? outloud.

BossChief
01-30-2013, 08:27 AM
What bugs me when someone says "trade down and get a QB"

Jacksonville Jaguars #2
Oakland Raiders #3
Cleveland Browns #6
Arizona Cardinals #7
Buffalo Bills #8
New York Jets #9

All in the top 10 right behind us who could draft a QB if some dumbass team in front of them decides to pass on the biggest need in the NFL.

I wouldn't rule the eagles out at 4, either.

Basically, 8 of the first 9 picks should be quarterback shopping.

ForeverChiefs58
01-30-2013, 08:50 AM
I wouldn't rule the eagles out at 4, either.

Basically, 8 of the first 9 picks should be quarterback shopping.


Yeah, I've read a few places that think Chip Kelly will be looking for "his guy" to fit the style of offense he wants. Makes it even more crazy people talking a trade down.

Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in 1st in 30 years, and have never had the first pick. Gee, I wonder what's missing from this franchise?

One can only hope for all that is Holy we use it on Geno.

htismaqe
01-30-2013, 08:58 AM
Yeah, I've read a few places that think Chip Kelly will be looking for "his guy" to fit the style of offense he wants. Makes it even more crazy people talking a trade down.

Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in 1st in 30 years, and have never had the first pick. Gee, I wonder what's missing from this franchise?

One can only hope for all that is Holy we use it on Geno.

http://i.imgur.com/KrZEk.gif

htismaqe
01-30-2013, 08:59 AM
If Jarvis Jones is there at 20, then that means there is something seriously wrong with him according to that report.

I'm not giving up picks for him when we have Houston and Tamba. Jones doesn't fit in our defense with them here and Tamba surely has at least 3 more productive years.

TOTALLY AGREE. 110%

MagicHef
01-30-2013, 09:43 AM
If Jarvis Jones is there at 20, then that means there is something seriously wrong with him according to that report.

I'm not giving up picks for him when we have Houston and Tamba. Jones doesn't fit in our defense with them here and Tamba surely has at least 3 more productive years.

I am not extremely familiar with Jarvis Jones' condition. However, look at Da'Quan Bowers. No one wanted to touch him, he ended up going 51st. Even with missing time due to injury, he has (according to PFF) outplayed every 4-3 DE taken ahead of him: Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, and Jabaal Sheard.

NJChiefsFan
01-30-2013, 09:46 AM
No it's not even that, it's when they'll have teams right behind us draft a QB. They'll say Chiefs should trade down, with caption "because no QB is worth #1", then turn around and have a team right behind us in top 10 take a QB. An example is Ariz' caption "because they had the worst QB play and should fix QB problems"

It makes me say WTF? outloud.

That's true. You get the "Chiefs need a QB but it would be a reach here" followed by a team at 3 or 4 getting the "they get value with QB here".

htismaqe
01-30-2013, 09:59 AM
I am not extremely familiar with Jarvis Jones' condition. However, look at Da'Quan Bowers. No one wanted to touch him, he ended up going 51st. Even with missing time due to injury, he has (according to PFF) outplayed every 4-3 DE taken ahead of him: Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, and Jabaal Sheard.

Jarvis Jones has spinal stenosis.

Bowers had a knee condition, IIRC.

Dicky McElephant
01-30-2013, 10:13 AM
I am not extremely familiar with Jarvis Jones' condition. However, look at Da'Quan Bowers. No one wanted to touch him, he ended up going 51st. Even with missing time due to injury, he has (according to PFF) outplayed every 4-3 DE taken ahead of him: Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Jordan, and Jabaal Sheard.


According to PFF maybe.......

Jordan had 8 sacks and 66 tackles last year. Plus 3 fumbles forced.
Sheard had 7 sacks and 55 tackles last year. Plus 1 fumble forced.
Bowers had 3 sacks and 13 tackles last year. Zero fumbles forced.

MagicHef
01-30-2013, 10:40 AM
According to PFF maybe.......

Jordan had 8 sacks and 66 tackles last year. Plus 3 fumbles forced.
Sheard had 7 sacks and 55 tackles last year. Plus 1 fumble forced.
Bowers had 3 sacks and 13 tackles last year. Zero fumbles forced.

Bowers played part time, he replaced Daniel Teo-Nesheim. He played 292 snaps, while Jordan played 1059 and Sheard played 1015.

Rudy lost the toss
01-30-2013, 01:18 PM
Bowers played part time, he replaced Daniel Teo-Nesheim. He played 292 snaps, while Jordan played 1059 and Sheard played 1015.

Poor argument then. Small sample size. Like comparing per/48 stats in NBA

htismaqe
01-30-2013, 02:40 PM
Bowers played part time, he replaced Daniel Teo-Nesheim. He played 292 snaps, while Jordan played 1059 and Sheard played 1015.

How can you say he outplayed them when he couldn't even manage to get on the field?

MagicHef
01-30-2013, 03:44 PM
How can you say he outplayed them when he couldn't even manage to get on the field?

Injury. But, whatever. I don't care about Bowers, just trying to show that passing on a guy because everyone else is isn't always the smart move.

It wasn't injury related, but that is how Houston became a Chief.

Bewbies
01-30-2013, 03:50 PM
Warren Sapp and Randy Moss were passed over too. But you don't use those guys to prove a point...

I don't know about spinal stenosis, but dude was a freak at UGA.

htismaqe
01-30-2013, 05:31 PM
Warren Sapp and Randy Moss were passed over too. But you don't use those guys to prove a point...

I don't know about spinal stenosis, but dude was a freak at UGA.

Marcus McNeil was a top 10 elite left tackle prospect.

They discovered his stenosis at the combine I believe.

He fell to the 2nd round.

He played at a high level for 4 years and then started to break down. Now he's looking for a job.

Bewbies
01-30-2013, 09:15 PM
Marcus McNeil was a top 10 elite left tackle prospect.

They discovered his stenosis at the combine I believe.

He fell to the 2nd round.

He played at a high level for 4 years and then started to break down. Now he's looking for a job.

Well, considering the average career is 3 yrs...

milkman
01-30-2013, 09:26 PM
Well, considering the average career is 3 yrs...

We need to do something about this falsehood.

The average career is 3 yrs because there are hundreds of players that get a few games on their resume and never sniff the NFL again.

Some get a couple of years holding down spots on bad teams until more talented players replace them.

The guys that have the talent to stick for longer usually go onto have 8, 10 years, or longer.

Bewbies
01-30-2013, 10:29 PM
We need to do something about this falsehood.

The average career is 3 yrs because there are hundreds of players that get a few games on their resume and never sniff the NFL again.

Some get a couple of years holding down spots on bad teams until more talented players replace them.

The guys that have the talent to stick for longer usually go onto have 8, 10 years, or longer.

Oh I know, and a guy picked at 34 that only played for 3 years would be considered a bad pick. BUT, in the NFL I don't think you can expect 10 years. If you got an elite player for 5 or 6 you made a good pick.

Count Alex's Losses
01-31-2013, 02:52 AM
We need to do something about this falsehood.

The average career is 3 yrs because there are hundreds of players that get a few games on their resume and never sniff the NFL again.

Some get a couple of years holding down spots on bad teams until more talented players replace them.

The guys that have the talent to stick for longer usually go onto have 8, 10 years, or longer.

Best indicator would probably be average career of players drafted in the first 3 rounds.

htismaqe
01-31-2013, 08:54 AM
Oh I know, and a guy picked at 34 that only played for 3 years would be considered a bad pick. BUT, in the NFL I don't think you can expect 10 years. If you got an elite player for 5 or 6 you made a good pick.

You better get more than 5 or 6 years out of a top 10 pick.

Bewbies
01-31-2013, 10:32 AM
You better get more than 5 or 6 years out of a top 10 pick.

That's why I said pick 34. I agree with you.

MagicHef
01-31-2013, 10:41 AM
You better get more than 5 or 6 years out of a top 10 pick.

Sure, but how many top 10 picks last?

6 of 2006's top ten didn't last 7 years with the team that picked him.

5 of 2007's top ten didn't last 6 years (although one died, so maybe he shouldn't count).

3 of 2008's top ten didn't last 5 years.

htismaqe
01-31-2013, 11:00 AM
Sure, but how many top 10 picks last?

6 of 2006's top ten didn't last 7 years with the team that picked him.

5 of 2007's top ten didn't last 6 years (although one died, so maybe he shouldn't count).

3 of 2008's top ten didn't last 5 years.

With the team that drafted them?

Just because guys without spinal stenosis bust doesn't mean you should take a guy with spinal stenosis and expect him not to...

MagicHef
01-31-2013, 11:08 AM
With the team that drafted them?

Just because guys without spinal stenosis bust doesn't mean you should take a guy with spinal stenosis and expect him not to...

If you're sure that the 4 or so years you would get from him would be great, I think he would be worth a late 1st. 4 years of greatness is much better than a bunch of average years.

htismaqe
01-31-2013, 11:11 AM
If you're sure that the 4 or so years you would get from him would be great, I think he would be worth a late 1st. 4 years of greatness is much better than a bunch of average years.

That's the problem, you can never be sure.

From what I've read, Earl Campbell had spinal stenosis. He's in the HoF.

Then you have guys that never play a down after they're diagnosed.

To me, it's just not worth the risk, at least not that high in the draft...

Bewbies
01-31-2013, 01:13 PM
That's the problem, you can never be sure.

From what I've read, Earl Campbell had spinal stenosis. He's in the HoF.

Then you have guys that never play a down after they're diagnosed.

To me, it's just not worth the risk, at least not that high in the draft...

That's amazing if true, Campbell was a BEAST.

BossChief
01-31-2013, 02:30 PM
Didn't Samaritan Rolle have it, too?

Thought that was the reason we didn't sign him and moved a pick for Surtain.

Dicky McElephant
01-31-2013, 02:34 PM
Didn't Samaritan Rolle have it, too?

Thought that was the reason we didn't sign him and moved a pick for Surtain.

He has epilepsy.

Bewbies
01-31-2013, 04:33 PM
Didn't Samaritan Rolle have it, too?

Thought that was the reason we didn't sign him and moved a pick for Surtain.

Rolle made a good move by staying away from Gunther.

htismaqe
01-31-2013, 05:16 PM
Didn't Samaritan Rolle have it, too?

Thought that was the reason we didn't sign him and moved a pick for Surtain.

I don't know if it was ever confirmed but all the reports seemed to suggest that Rolle had a narrowing of the cervical spine, which would be stenosis.

BossChief
01-31-2013, 07:55 PM
He has epilepsy.

I think tats a symptom of what he had...which I remember the same as Htis...that it was a narrowing of he spine. Same as what Jones has.

He played till he was 32.

O.city
02-01-2013, 04:26 PM
Is there anyway Arthur Brown makes it to the 3rd round?

Sorter
02-01-2013, 09:00 PM
Is there anyway Arthur Brown makes it to the 3rd round?

No way he makes it out of the second IMO. Could probably go in the first.

RunKC
02-01-2013, 09:50 PM
Walter is fucking high if he thinks Tyler Wilson is going in the 2nd round, let alone AFTER EJ Manuel ROFL

Sorter
02-01-2013, 10:00 PM
Walter is ****ing high if he thinks Tyler Wilson is going in the 2nd round, let alone AFTER EJ Manuel ROFL

I could potentially see Kelly snatching Manuel at #4 over Tyler. I can't in any way, imagine Tyler falling to the 2nd round. It would take IMO either Joeckel or Fisher falling to AZ and then Arians would have a very tough choice IMO. DO you try and help arguably the worst OL in the NFL and hope for a QB later that will probably not be a good fit or do you take a QB and hope to build your OL later + FA. I think that Arians will take a QB and will do his damnedest to build their OL via FA and in the draft after selecting their QB.

DJ's left nut
02-02-2013, 10:45 AM
Walter is fucking high if he thinks Tyler Wilson is going in the 2nd round, let alone AFTER EJ Manuel ROFL

I still disagree with you guys on Manuel.

I think the combine and pro days will allow him to showcase his tools and I think he's going to climb draft boards pretty quickly. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see him go as the 2nd QB off the board.

The kid has serious talent. Probably more than anyone in the draft. He's raw as can be, but if you could untap his potential, he'd essentially be the good version of Dante Culpepper but with an actual work ethic. I've called him a mobile Roethlisberger for awhile and I think that is still his upside.

Nightfyre
02-02-2013, 02:01 PM
EJ Manuel doesn't get a lot of love around here. But his upside is limitless.

htismaqe
02-02-2013, 06:09 PM
I still disagree with you guys on Manuel.

I think the combine and pro days will allow him to showcase his tools and I think he's going to climb draft boards pretty quickly. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see him go as the 2nd QB off the board.

The kid has serious talent. Probably more than anyone in the draft. He's raw as can be, but if you could untap his potential, he'd essentially be the good version of Dante Culpepper but with an actual work ethic. I've called him a mobile Roethlisberger for awhile and I think that is still his upside.

He may have serious talent but has serious mechanical issues as well.

He's a freakish athlete but whether or not he can be an NFL QB remains a HUGE red flag.

htismaqe
02-02-2013, 06:13 PM
I could potentially see Kelly snatching Manuel at #4 over Tyler. I can't in any way, imagine Tyler falling to the 2nd round. It would take IMO either Joeckel or Fisher falling to AZ and then Arians would have a very tough choice IMO. DO you try and help arguably the worst OL in the NFL and hope for a QB later that will probably not be a good fit or do you take a QB and hope to build your OL later + FA. I think that Arians will take a QB and will do his damnedest to build their OL via FA and in the draft after selecting their QB.

EJ Manuel at #4 would be a HUGE mistake.

htismaqe
02-02-2013, 06:14 PM
EJ Manuel doesn't get a lot of love around here.

Probably because he just isn't very good.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-02-2013, 06:21 PM
You'd have to give Manuel the McNair/Rodgers treatment. Two plus years on the bench, minimum.

Chocolate Hog
02-02-2013, 09:26 PM
Probably because he just isn't very good.

This

Fat Elvis
02-03-2013, 02:54 PM
I still disagree with you guys on Manuel.

I think the combine and pro days will allow him to showcase his tools and I think he's going to climb draft boards pretty quickly. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see him go as the 2nd QB off the board.

The kid has serious talent. Probably more than anyone in the draft. He's raw as can be, but if you could untap his potential, he'd essentially be the good version of Dante Culpepper but with an actual work ethic. I've called him a mobile Roethlisberger for awhile and I think that is still his upside.

If, for some reason KC trades out of the first pick, don't be surprised if Manuel is a Chief next year.

Bring in Alex Smith for a year or two to allow Reid to groom EJ.

I see the draft falling one of two ways: Either KC drafts Geno with the #1 pick, or it trades with the Eagles and takes either Manuel or Wilson.

One of those two guys will be there at #4.

I think when all is said and done, with the proper coaching Manuel will be the best QB in this class. Out of the gate, Geno has a pretty big lead on everyone, however.

O.city
02-03-2013, 03:09 PM
While Manuel does have a good bit of raw ability, how many guys like that have come in and flamed out?

JASONSAUTO
02-03-2013, 03:14 PM
While Manuel does have a good bit of raw ability, how many guys like that have come in and flamed out?

I would say over 90 percent.
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Nightfyre
02-03-2013, 03:56 PM
EJ Manuel will go no later than the second. Brock Osweiler was way more raw and had way less physical tools than Manuel and he went in the second.

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 01:16 PM
he's mocking a new draft right now via twitter...hopkins is gone in the first, so we'll have a new 2nd

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 01:28 PM
new second round:

34. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor

Fat Elvis
02-05-2013, 01:33 PM
new second round:

34. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor

I agree with him so far....

Dicky McElephant
02-05-2013, 01:38 PM
Keep in mind though.....he's mocking a WR in the 2nd round because he thinks we should let Bowe walk.

So that gives us Baldwin, Williams, Breaston, McCluster and Wylie as our WRs.

If we re-sign Bowe.....I doubt he mocks us a WR until the later rounds.

Fat Elvis
02-05-2013, 01:42 PM
Keep in mind though.....he's mocking a WR in the 2nd round because he thinks we should let Bowe walk.

So that gives us Baldwin, Williams, Breaston, McCluster and Wylie as our WRs.

If we re-sign Bowe.....I doubt he mocks us a WR until the later rounds.

I mocked Williams because I thought we should keep Bowe and add a couple more recieving weapons.....:thumb:

Need to get rid of a couple of those guys.

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 01:54 PM
our 3rd round pick is now gone in the 2nd...new 3rd coming up

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 01:56 PM
Keep in mind though.....he's mocking a WR in the 2nd round because he thinks we should let Bowe walk.

So that gives us Baldwin, Williams, Breaston, McCluster and Wylie as our WRs.

If we re-sign Bowe.....I doubt he mocks us a WR until the later rounds.

i agree he'll change it

WR isn't our most pressing need, and drafting williams is basically giving up on Baldwin....but he's going to be a good WR, i think

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 02:16 PM
new round 3

63. Kansas City Chiefs: Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin
Ryan Lilja announced his retirement recently, which means Jeff Allen is slated to start at guard. The Chiefs cannot allow this to happen. They also have to find a backup center.

Sorter
02-05-2013, 02:26 PM
new round 3

63. Kansas City Chiefs: Travis Frederick, G/C, Wisconsin
Ryan Lilja announced his retirement recently, which means Jeff Allen is slated to start at guard. The Chiefs cannot allow this to happen. They also have to find a backup center.

If this was the case, why not just take Jones in the 2nd and a WR/CB/S in the 3rd?

ROFL

I can't justify the Williams pick anyways when Rhodes, Austin, Amerson,etc. are still available anyways.

BossChief
02-05-2013, 02:27 PM
EJ Manuel will go no later than the second. Brock Osweiler was way more raw and had way less physical tools than Manuel and he went in the second.

I think the Eagles will move up from their second rounder to take him.

Good fit for Chip Kelly.

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 02:45 PM
72. New York Jets: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 03:09 PM
91. New England Patriots: Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
The Patriots have used a third-round pick on a troubled but talented SEC quarterback before. There's talk that Bill Belichick could trade Ryan Mallett to Michael Lombardi, so if that happens, New England may search for another project at the signal-caller position.

Dicky McElephant
02-05-2013, 03:12 PM
I'd rather take Tyler Eifert or Xavier Rhodes in the 2nd.

BigCatDaddy
02-05-2013, 03:13 PM
72. New York Jets: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

I highly doubt he makes it out of the 1st let alone to 72.

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 03:24 PM
38. Arizona Cardinals: E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State

E.J. Manuel was the top signal-caller at the Senior Bowl. He's a good fit for Bruce Arians' vertical offense, unlike Tyler Wilson, whom I had slotted here a couple of weeks ago.

Dicky McElephant
02-05-2013, 03:25 PM
Same 4th round pick.

Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State
The Chiefs don't have much depth behind Tamba Hali and Justin Houston - as they discovered in the Week 1 loss to Atlanta - so they could spend an early 2013 NFL Draft pick on a rush linebacker.

the Talking Can
02-05-2013, 03:29 PM
If this was the case, why not just take Jones in the 2nd and a WR/CB/S in the 3rd?

ROFL

I can't justify the Williams pick anyways when Rhodes, Austin, Amerson,etc. are still available anyways.

yeah, we could Rhodes and Rambo in the 2nd/3rd and seriously lock down our secondary...and still have our comp 3rd for a wildcard like say Bailey...

not a fan of using any more top picks on OL this year

Nightfyre
02-05-2013, 03:32 PM
Jeff Allen was adequate last year. Yes, he got beat sometimes, but he was a rookie thrust into the starting position by injuries.

Dicky McElephant
02-05-2013, 03:38 PM
Jeff Allen was adequate last year. Yes, he got beat sometimes, but he was a rookie thrust into the starting position by injuries.

This. Re-signing Albert would solidify our o-line.

Albert - Allen - Hudson - Asamoah - Winston

BigCatDaddy
02-05-2013, 03:42 PM
Jeff Allen was adequate last year. Yes, he got beat sometimes, but he was a rookie thrust into the starting position by injuries.

Wasn't he a pretty goot LT in college? Maybe he should be playing there in the NFL? At least a swing T.

BigCatDaddy
02-05-2013, 03:44 PM
38. Arizona Cardinals: E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State

E.J. Manuel was the top signal-caller at the Senior Bowl. He's a good fit for Bruce Arians' vertical offense, unlike Tyler Wilson, whom I had slotted here a couple of weeks ago.

I'm all aboard on the Geno train, but I have to wonder what Reid could do with this freak of nature. I know he pissed the bed against FL, but otherwise he numbers look pretty good and he looked good in the SR Bowl for what that's worth.

Der Flöprer
02-05-2013, 04:02 PM
Look at that 2nd round. JFC....

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013_2.php

72. New York Jets: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

I highly doubt he makes it out of the 1st let alone to 72.

I was going to post that but TC beat me to it. I doubt he makes it out of the top ten, probably the top 5.

The Bad Guy
02-05-2013, 08:01 PM
This. Re-signing Albert would solidify our o-line.

Albert - Allen - Hudson - Asamoah - Winston

I want Hudson back at LG and find a center somewhere.

Hudson looked like shit at center.

htismaqe
02-05-2013, 08:23 PM
38. Arizona Cardinals: E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State

E.J. Manuel was the top signal-caller at the Senior Bowl. He's a good fit for Bruce Arians' vertical offense, unlike Tyler Wilson, whom I had slotted here a couple of weeks ago.

I just don't get it.

Several people at the Senior Bowl said Manuel was the WORST one there.

And not sure what he's talking about with him being a good fit for Arians. His passing game in college was mostly dink and dunk.

BossChief
02-05-2013, 10:49 PM
I just don't get it.

Several people at the Senior Bowl said Manuel was the WORST one there.

And not sure what he's talking about with him being a good fit for Arians. His passing game in college was mostly dink and dunk.

Did you watch the game itself? That's probably what they were talking about.

cdcox
02-05-2013, 11:58 PM
I think we should tag Albert and trade him to the Eagles for their 2nd. My dream scenario:

Restructure Jackson's contract, Re-sign Colquitt & Pitoitua, Sign Wallace (WR, Steelers), Vick, and Rodgers-Cromartie.

Draft
1a. Joeckel (LT, Texas A&M) - could be best LT in the league someday
1b. Barkley (QB, USC) - trade up with 4th and 6th, good fit for west coast offense
2. Hunt (DE, SMU) - JJ Watt measurables, drops due to rawness and age
3a. Brown (ILB, Kansas St) - Belcher's replacement
3b. Lattimore (RB, South Carolina) - value pick

Joeckel and Albert are going to be pretty much a wash for several years. Your proposal is equivalent to given 1.1 + 4th round + 6th for Matt Barkley.

SNR
02-06-2013, 12:37 AM
I want Hudson back at LG and find a center somewhere.

Hudson looked like shit at center.

I didn't pay much attention to him. I remember him making several stupid plays when he was healthy, but that entire last season was just one giant "don't give a fuck."

I'm definitely willing to give Hudson another try at C for another year, but I don't want to turn this into another Rudy Niswanger nightmare, where we patiently wait for this great C prospect to "get it" for a few seasons until we realize he never will.

Hopefully Reid will be able to determine if he can do it or not. If not, then he needs to start playing guard ASAP and stay there.

htismaqe
02-06-2013, 06:18 AM
Did you watch the game itself? That's probably what they were talking about.

The game itself is pretty much worthless.

BossChief
02-06-2013, 09:03 AM
The game itself is pretty much worthless.

I was just pointing out that's why someone would say he was the best qb...he played well in the game.

Dicky McElephant
02-06-2013, 10:09 AM
I want Hudson back at LG and find a center somewhere.

Hudson looked like shit at center.

Who are you going to put at center?

MotherfuckerJones
02-06-2013, 08:41 PM
Geno will do well at combine. I imagine he wont throw but he'll run and do the wonderlic and interviews. He'll do well. He loves to study game film and loves football. He'll test well and interview well. We'll take Geno number 1. I want Albert re-signed. He's a good LT he's good enough to win with. If his back checks out medically ofcourse. I would love to get ILB Danelle Ellerbe from the Ravens in free agency to seal our LB core. We need to get another corner opposite of Flowers and another safety. Free agency is where we can smartly fill some holes. If Denver cut Champ Bailey he'd be a good veteran addition to the team and defense. He'd add proven leadership which we need on the defense. We also need 2 DEs because Dorsey is a FA and Jackson will be cut due to his 14 million dollar cap number this year. I would like to add maybe a guy like Richard Seymour to the dline. I know hes up there in age but he can still be effective. Add him and a DE in the draft.

For the offense we need to re-sign Bowe, he's our best WR option. I believe Breaston will stay he can be good in the WCO under Reid. Would like to see us get a WR in rd 2 of the draft. Would love to get Greg Jennings because he'd be great along side Bowe. Baldwin sucks. but Jennings does get hurt and I dont know how much we'll spend in Free Agency. We need a good number 1 TE to go with Moeaki who could be a solid number 2. So my pick would be Titans TE Jared Cook. Ive watched him he can be really effective. I would like to add a veteran QB to help with Geno. The guy id pick is Alex Smith. Im not a big fan of his but when he had a true QB guru he did well enough and showed he can win in the postseason as he did 2 years ago against the Saints. With Reid, he'd be fairly successful until Geno develops.

JASONSAUTO
02-06-2013, 08:51 PM
He already said he's going to throw
Posted via Mobile Device

MotherfuckerJones
02-06-2013, 08:54 PM
He already said he's going to throw
Posted via Mobile Device

Oh did he? I didn't know that thanks man. Just thought since Barkley wasn't he wasn't because he views himself as top QB

JASONSAUTO
02-06-2013, 08:59 PM
Oh did he? I didn't know that thanks man. Just thought since Barkley wasn't he wasn't because he views himself as top QB

Pretty sure he said it during the 810 interview the other day
Posted via Mobile Device

MotherfuckerJones
02-06-2013, 09:15 PM
Pretty sure he said it during the 810 interview the other day
Posted via Mobile Device

I listened to it but don't remember hearing it. His agent will tell him what to do I'm sure

htismaqe
02-11-2013, 03:21 PM
Pretty sure he said it during the 810 interview the other day
Posted via Mobile Device

He did.

I believe he's tweeted it as well.

Canofbier
02-11-2013, 03:51 PM
Oh did he? I didn't know that thanks man. Just thought since Barkley wasn't he wasn't because he views himself as top QB

There's a post in the Barkley thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=9393601#post9393601) where Barkley is cited as saying that he's doing everything at the combine. Good to hear that we're going to get a show from all of these QBs - the more we see of them, the better.

MotherfuckerJones
02-11-2013, 08:37 PM
There's a post in the Barkley thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=9393601#post9393601) where Barkley is cited as saying that he's doing everything at the combine. Good to hear that we're going to get a show from all of these QBs - the more we see of them, the better.

I saw that. I read somewhere that Barkley wasnt. I dont know why he wouldnt its not like he's a top prospect

htismaqe
02-12-2013, 08:36 AM
I saw that. I read somewhere that Barkley wasnt. I dont know why he wouldnt its not like he's a top prospect

Barkley is SAYING that he's going to throw and run at the combine.

There's also a TON of rumor out there that he won't be ready for his PRO DAY, let alone the combine...

Canofbier
02-12-2013, 12:51 PM
Barkley is SAYING that he's going to throw and run at the combine.

There's also a TON of rumor out there that he won't be ready for his PRO DAY, let alone the combine...

Well, the fact that he's saying it is progress. He had repeatedly said in the past that what he would do at the combine would be a "game time decision". If that hasn't changed, why would he be telling people differently now?

Chris Meck
02-12-2013, 01:03 PM
all of these mocks totally ignore Reid's "shell" philosophy and how that fits with the personnel we have- you need tackles and a QB on offense, bookend pass rushers and corners on defense.

That's where you spend the money, and I think he's right, by the way. So what do we have?

In a 3-4, you're talking OLB's. We're set with Hali and Houston. You've got one plus corner, you need another.

On offense, if you re-sign Albert (easiest thing in the world to do) you're set as Winston is also a plus player (no matter what the manbabys want to say after he hurt their feelings).

You've got NO QUARTERBACK. This is a major problem. But by all means, mock a left tackle and a bunch of guards to us in the early rounds.

SNR
02-12-2013, 01:59 PM
Barkley is SAYING that he's going to throw and run at the combine.

There's also a TON of rumor out there that he won't be ready for his PRO DAY, let alone the combine...

Was Sam Bradford healthy enough to have his pro day? I can't remember.

BigCatDaddy
02-12-2013, 02:56 PM
Was Sam Bradford healthy enough to have his pro day? I can't remember.

Yep. I remember the photos where he looked about 25-30lbs bigger then he did during the season.

oldandslow
02-12-2013, 05:42 PM
all of these mocks totally ignore Reid's "shell" philosophy and how that fits with the personnel we have- you need tackles and a QB on offense, bookend pass rushers and corners on defense.

That's where you spend the money, and I think he's right, by the way. So what do we have?

In a 3-4, you're talking OLB's. We're set with Hali and Houston. You've got one plus corner, you need another.

On offense, if you re-sign Albert (easiest thing in the world to do) you're set as Winston is also a plus player (no matter what the manbabys want to say after he hurt their feelings).

You've got NO QUARTERBACK. This is a major problem. But by all means, mock a left tackle and a bunch of guards to us in the early rounds.

This is a great POST!!!!

Exactly correct.

milkman
02-13-2013, 11:35 AM
Yep. I remember the photos where he looked about 25-30lbs bigger then he did during the season.

Thought it was private workout after the Sooners pro day, because he wasn't ready for the Pro Day.

BigCatDaddy
02-13-2013, 11:39 AM
Thought it was private workout after the Sooners pro day, because he wasn't ready for the Pro Day.

He phrased it as Sam Bradford's pro day, not OU's pro day so that is assuming what he meant.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/29/bradfords-pro-day-workout-leaves-crowd-in-awe/

Canofbier
02-13-2013, 12:27 PM
The mock was updated today/yesterday. It says this at the end now:

FEB. 12 UPDATE: There's a new caveat, which is Philadelphia's restructuring of its mobile quarterback's contract. Nick Foles is now likely to be traded. Andy Reid used a second-day selection on him last year, so I don't see why he wouldn't do that again (he may only have to deal his fourth-rounder). If Reid acquires Foles, he'll draft Joeckel to protect him.

htismaqe
02-13-2013, 12:42 PM
The mock was updated today/yesterday. It says this at the end now:

So basically we're gonna have to listen to the shit about Joeckel until right up to the point where the Chiefs say they're drafting Geno.

PhillyChiefFan
02-14-2013, 10:27 AM
all of these mocks totally ignore Reid's "shell" philosophy and how that fits with the personnel we have- you need tackles and a QB on offense, bookend pass rushers and corners on defense.

That's where you spend the money, and I think he's right, by the way. So what do we have?

In a 3-4, you're talking OLB's. We're set with Hali and Houston. You've got one plus corner, you need another.

On offense, if you re-sign Albert (easiest thing in the world to do) you're set as Winston is also a plus player (no matter what the manbabys want to say after he hurt their feelings).

You've got NO QUARTERBACK. This is a major problem. But by all means, mock a left tackle and a bunch of guards to us in the early rounds.

:thumb: :clap:

the Talking Can
02-14-2013, 07:25 PM
91. New England Patriots: Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
The Patriots have used a third-round pick on a troubled but talented SEC quarterback before. There's talk that Bill Belichick could trade Ryan Mallett to Michael Lombardi, so if that happens, New England may search for another project at the signal-caller position.

NJChiefsFan
02-14-2013, 09:08 PM
So basically we're gonna have to listen to the shit about Joeckel until right up to the point where the Chiefs say they're drafting Geno.

I always like how these mocks and other experts factor in what Reid will do but not what Dorsey will do. I don't take Dorsey as just some "figure head". Us signing Albert to LT money is going to make a lot of this change.

DaKCMan AP
02-21-2013, 07:57 AM
Sharrif Floyd is flying up draft boards even before the combine and pro days.

Walter football - #3 overall to Oakland http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
Mike Mayock - #3 overall to Oakland http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/18/mayock-likes-dt-floyd-as-raiders-top-pick/
NFL.com Daniel Jeremiah - #3 overall to Oakland http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

Sfeihc
02-21-2013, 08:14 AM
Da, How do you see him best utilized in the NFL?

the Talking Can
02-21-2013, 08:22 AM
new mock updated in header

jocker....

DaKCMan AP
02-21-2013, 08:22 AM
Da, How do you see him best utilized in the NFL?

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Would Floyd play the 3 or 5 tech?

I think he can play either. He's 6'3 300 and very athletic. Good against run & can collapse the pocket & penetrate on pass plays. He's probably *best* utilized playing 1-gap.

the Talking Can
02-21-2013, 08:44 AM
there is all kinds of talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds...it is crucial that we nail our first 4 picks

htismaqe
02-21-2013, 05:44 PM
Sharrif Floyd is flying up draft boards even before the combine and pro days.

Walter football - #3 overall to Oakland http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
Mike Mayock - #3 overall to Oakland http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/18/mayock-likes-dt-floyd-as-raiders-top-pick/
NFL.com Daniel Jeremiah - #3 overall to Oakland http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/165100

Just saw Mayock's latest positional rankings and he has Floyd #1, AHEAD of Star.

Frosty
02-21-2013, 06:03 PM
Just saw Mayock's latest positional rankings and he has Floyd #1, AHEAD of Star.

I think that when people start really watching Star's tape, he will start to fall. He really doesn't make a lot of plays. He's more of a space eater.

htismaqe
02-21-2013, 06:08 PM
I think that when people start really watching Star's tape, he will start to fall. He really doesn't make a lot of plays. He's more of a space eater.

Yep.

It's really all falling into place. They're not going to have a choice at #1.

Count Alex's Losses
02-21-2013, 06:36 PM
I think that when people start really watching Star's tape, he will start to fall. He really doesn't make a lot of plays. He's more of a space eater.

GUESS AGAIN

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1983073/star1.gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1983065/star2.gif

Nightfyre
02-21-2013, 07:04 PM
Yea, Star had one good game against that shitty USC team when he was single teamed the whole game. He needs to beat double teams. I haven't watched much of him, but from what Saccopoo says, he can't.

Frosty
02-21-2013, 10:42 PM
Yea, Star had one good game against that shitty USC team when he was single teamed the whole game. He needs to beat double teams. I haven't watched much of him, but from what Saccopoo says, he can't.

When Utah played at Oregon State, our true freshman center handled him one on one throughout most of the game. Star ended up with a tackle and a half. I wasn't impressed.

ArrowheadMagic
02-22-2013, 10:40 AM
Plus Khaled Holmes was playing on one leg. Dumb to leave him singled up.

the Talking Can
02-27-2013, 09:32 AM
mock updated in header post-combine

aturnis
02-27-2013, 09:47 AM
Boo.