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Direckshun
01-10-2013, 10:30 AM
All over the map, really. Loves the defensive line.

No Pro Bowlers since Andrews.

1999: QB Donovan McNabb, Syracuse
2000: DT Corey Simon, Florida State
2001: WR Freddie Mitchell, UCLA
2002: CB Lito Sheppard, Florida
2003: DE Jerome McDougle, Miami
2004: OT Shawn Andrews, Arkansas
2005: DT Mike Patterson, USC
2006: DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
2007: traded down, ended up drafting Kevin Kolb
2008: traded down, ended up drafting Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson
2009: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
2010: DE Brandon Graham, Michigan
2011: OG Danny Watkins, Baylor
2012: DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State

DJ's left nut
01-10-2013, 02:18 PM
All over the map, really. Loves the defensive line.

No Pro Bowlers since Andrews.

1999: QB Donovan McNabb, Syracuse
2000: DT Corey Simon, Florida State
2001: WR Freddie Mitchell, UCLA
2002: CB Lito Sheppard, Florida
2003: DE Jerome McDougle, Miami
2004: OT Shawn Andrews, Arkansas
2005: DT Mike Patterson, USC
2006: DT Brodrick Bunkley, Florida State
2007: traded down, ended up drafting Kevin Kolb
2008: traded down, ended up drafting Trevor Laws and DeSean Jackson
2009: WR Jeremy Maclin, Missouri
2010: DE Brandon Graham, Michigan
2011: OG Danny Watkins, Baylor
2012: DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State

Yeah, but I only see two 'indefensible' picks in there; Freddie Mitchell and Danny Watkins. The rest of them were picks that didn't work out, but were good picks when made.

Hawkula
01-10-2013, 03:09 PM
This looks like as good of a place as any to introduce myself.

Hi I'm Doug and I'm a draftaholic.

I'm also a Seahawk fan, used to look forward to every Seattle Vs. KC match up back in the days when we lived in the same division, also used to dread going into Arrowhead. But I am not here to talk trash or cause any grief. I'm just here to see what Chiefs fans think might be in store for your team this off-season.

Honestly I was shocked that y'all "earned" the top pick this year. Actually though KC might push for a play-off spot. From what I saw your roster is not totally barren of talent, well except at QB.

Lurking about this place for the most part y'all seem to rightfully be in QB or bust mode, even if this on paper seems to be a lesser QB class than in the past few years. Is your need at QB so great that you'd be willing to make a slight reach for Geno Smith? Or would a more play from day one prospect at a O or D line position be a better move? I'd still go QB myself, but do you think there might be other options, like an Alex Smith or a Matt Flynn although I don't think Hawks will easily part with him just yet. Not trying to make suggestions just want to gauge other QB options.

Also will guys like Bowe and Albert be resigned or not, could Reid taking over maybe change Bowe's mind about leaving etc.


anyways thanks for having me, I look forward to learning more about your current squad and the direction Reid could take it.

PhillyChiefFan
01-11-2013, 05:59 AM
This looks like as good of a place as any to introduce myself.

Hi I'm Doug and I'm a draftaholic.

I'm also a Seahawk fan, used to look forward to every Seattle Vs. KC match up back in the days when we lived in the same division, also used to dread going into Arrowhead. But I am not here to talk trash or cause any grief. I'm just here to see what Chiefs fans think might be in store for your team this off-season.

Honestly I was shocked that y'all "earned" the top pick this year. Actually though KC might push for a play-off spot. From what I saw your roster is not totally barren of talent, well except at QB.

Lurking about this place for the most part y'all seem to rightfully be in QB or bust mode, even if this on paper seems to be a lesser QB class than in the past few years. Is your need at QB so great that you'd be willing to make a slight reach for Geno Smith? Or would a more play from day one prospect at a O or D line position be a better move? I'd still go QB myself, but do you think there might be other options, like an Alex Smith or a Matt Flynn although I don't think Hawks will easily part with him just yet. Not trying to make suggestions just want to gauge other QB options.

Also will guys like Bowe and Albert be resigned or not, could Reid taking over maybe change Bowe's mind about leaving etc.


anyways thanks for having me, I look forward to learning more about your current squad and the direction Reid could take it.

First off, welcome to the planet!

I think the overall opinion here is to grab Geno Smith, or whatever QB rises to the top. I'm in the camp of sit tight and wait to judge these QB's until all can be evaluated on an even field at the combine, and draft that QB. Several drafts have yielded "no QB's" until after the combine. No doubt though, Reid knows we are desperate for some quality QB play. IMO, Chiefs have a talented roster, if it can be supplimented in this years draft we may have something to be excited about next season.

Also my opinion, but it is shared by many on this board. Albert, Bowe and Colquitt should all be resigned. No reason to not resign a proven LT, WR and best player in Colquitt :D when you're 16 million under the cap before cutting the fat in Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel. You're treading water if you let them walk. They are all solid, proven players and you'll have to replace them either in the draft or in FA and gamble that they are just as good, or better than the player they are replacing.

I can't understand the debate some people are having that we should take Luke Joeckel #1 who's not even a top flight LT by most accounts, but yet in the same breath, those people are arguing against taking a QB #1.

PhillyChiefFan
01-11-2013, 06:03 AM
Also, there are several fans on here from other teams and they are all welcome. As long as you respect the home team, most posters are great.

Again welcome to CP

Hawkula
01-11-2013, 11:50 AM
Also, there are several fans on here from other teams and they are all welcome. As long as you respect the home team, most posters are great.

Again welcome to CP

Thanks for the welcome and the info.



I agree with the cap space y'all have getting your guys resigned should be priority #1. Get Albert locked up and all this Joekel talk goes away.

A lot of the reports I've read in the media have said Bowe doesn't want to come back, how much of that is true? How much is just posturing and/or media hype?

Also is there any news on Reid switching to a 4-3, anything concrete yet other than the logic of its what he's always ran?

Sorter
01-11-2013, 12:58 PM
Bowe wants to stay at the right price.

Reid feels we're better fit for a 3-4 and intends for us to play more 1-gap via Bob Sutton.

Bewbies
01-11-2013, 02:07 PM
McNabb FTW!!

crossbow
01-12-2013, 09:14 PM
Welcome Hawkula,

Make yourself at home and grab a beer from the CP fridge when ever you want.

Hawkula
01-12-2013, 11:32 PM
Welcome Hawkula,

Make yourself at home and grab a beer from the CP fridge when ever you want.

Does she deliver?

The_Doctor10
01-14-2013, 03:13 PM
Bowe wants to stay at the right price.

Reid feels we're better fit for a 3-4 and intends for us to play more 1-gap via Bob Sutton.

Isn't it nice when the coach chooses to run a scheme that suits the players on the roster rather than unnecessarily forcing a transition that makes no sense at the time you make it?

scho63
01-14-2013, 03:34 PM
Isn't it nice when the coach chooses to run a scheme that suits the players on the roster rather than unnecessarily forcing a transition that makes no sense at the time you make it?

Damn straight! :clap:

buddha
01-15-2013, 09:07 AM
Do you guys know what 1-gap means? I see people throwing it around, but I'm guessing most people don't really understand it.

Saccopoo
01-15-2013, 09:21 AM
Do you guys know what 1-gap means? I see people throwing it around, but I'm guessing most people don't really understand it.

The 1 gap 34 is a predetermined lane/gap assignment by the defensive line/front. They know which slot/gap they will attempt to penentrate prior to the snap. This is supposed to force the offensive line to adjust to the defensive player. It is an "attacking" type of 34 defense.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/521785/3-4_Over_PIC_medium.jpg

A 2 gap is a read and react gap choice made by the defense at the time of the snap which is meant to have the defensive player control the offensive line as they move with the play. The defensive line is meant to control the offensive line players, holding them up, controlling the point so that the linebackers and safeties can make a play on the ball. It is a "controlling" type of 34 defense.

http://www.puntingiswinning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/34.jpg

That's the basic differences.

whoman69
01-15-2013, 03:45 PM
The 1 gap 34 is a predetermined lane/gap assignment by the defensive line/front. They know which slot/gap they will attempt to penentrate prior to the snap. This is supposed to force the offensive line to adjust to the defensive player. It is an "attacking" type of 34 defense.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/521785/3-4_Over_PIC_medium.jpg

A 2 gap is a read and react gap choice made by the defense at the time of the snap which is meant to have the defensive player control the offensive line as they move with the play. The defensive line is meant to control the offensive line players, holding them up, controlling the point so that the linebackers and safeties can make a play on the ball. It is a "controlling" type of 34 defense.

http://www.puntingiswinning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/34.jpg

That's the basic differences.

First one please

buddha
01-15-2013, 09:52 PM
Good explanation Sacc...well done.

We still don't have the pieces we need to run either version of the 3-4.

Saccopoo
01-15-2013, 11:49 PM
Good explanation Sacc...well done.

We still don't have the pieces we need to run either version of the 3-4.

No, not necessarily.

But we do have most of the pieces personel wise to run the 46, which is a version of the 34 where two NT are lined up, with one sitting on the tackle and a safety, a good run support safety with excellent athleticism is basically the fifth linebacker. The standup end on the opposite side is an oversized LB that has pass rush skills. The other LB is a big guy, but who can handle the strongside against tight ends.

Poe, Powe, Hali, Houston, Berry, Bailey all really fit that alignment. And I'm not sure, but I believe that Sutton has some experience with it.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/521798/Hybrid_46_PIC_medium.jpg

20 - Berry
96 - Powe
98 - Poe
55 - Houston
90 - Hali
95 - Bailey
51 - Johnson
54 - Whoever we get for MLB duties
29 - Flowers
28 - Whoever we get for CB duties
31 - Lewis if he's ever healthy

It really is a perfect fit for our existing personel.

I'd like to think that someone out there besides some schmuck on a football board notices shit like this.

htismaqe
01-16-2013, 09:06 AM
No, not necessarily.

But we do have most of the pieces personel wise to run the 46, which is a version of the 34 where two NT are lined up, with one sitting on the tackle and a safety, a good run support safety with excellent athleticism is basically the fifth linebacker. The standup end on the opposite side is an oversized LB that has pass rush skills. The other LB is a big guy, but who can handle the strongside against tight ends.

Poe, Powe, Hali, Houston, Berry, Bailey all really fit that alignment. And I'm not sure, but I believe that Sutton has some experience with it.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/521798/Hybrid_46_PIC_medium.jpg

20 - Berry
96 - Powe
98 - Poe
55 - Houston
90 - Hali
95 - Bailey
51 - Johnson
54 - Whoever we get for MLB duties
29 - Flowers
28 - Whoever we get for CB duties
31 - Lewis if he's ever healthy

It really is a perfect fit for our existing personel.

I'd like to think that someone out there besides some schmuck on a football board notices shit like this.

The way the 46 uses the safeties is just asking to set records for passing defense with our current personnel. Essentially you're in Cover 1 and your last line of defense is Kendrick "Pinball" Lewis.

Rambozo
01-17-2013, 09:22 AM
What's really interesting to me is that Reid traded in the first round 7 times in the last ten years. He traded up 5 times and moved back twice.

Chris Meck
01-17-2013, 09:54 AM
No, not necessarily.

But we do have most of the pieces personel wise to run the 46, which is a version of the 34 where two NT are lined up, with one sitting on the tackle and a safety, a good run support safety with excellent athleticism is basically the fifth linebacker. The standup end on the opposite side is an oversized LB that has pass rush skills. The other LB is a big guy, but who can handle the strongside against tight ends.

Poe, Powe, Hali, Houston, Berry, Bailey all really fit that alignment. And I'm not sure, but I believe that Sutton has some experience with it.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/521798/Hybrid_46_PIC_medium.jpg

20 - Berry
96 - Powe
98 - Poe
55 - Houston
90 - Hali
95 - Bailey
51 - Johnson
54 - Whoever we get for MLB duties
29 - Flowers
28 - Whoever we get for CB duties
31 - Lewis if he's ever healthy

It really is a perfect fit for our existing personel.

I'd like to think that someone out there besides some schmuck on a football board notices shit like this.

Well, you need two corners that are able to play on an island; so we're short a guy there. A MLB should be gettable. A safety to play centerfield as well. I think your assessment is decent with the exception of this-you've got Bailey and Poe flipped. Bailey'd get killed in that spot, IMO. A 320 lb. guard will just stone him with no room for lateral movement. He'd do much better in the 6 gap, I think, where it's not so congested. Poe's huge size, quickness and strength would demand a doubleteam in the 1 gap. He's big enough to just overwhelm a single lineman.

Rambozo
01-17-2013, 10:09 AM
I don't think you can count on Bailey or Powe very much. Both hardly saw the field last year. Lewis just isn't very good and is a liability in run support. Realistically, there are five holes in the defense. The good news is that the other six players are really good.

Amnorix
01-17-2013, 10:26 AM
Not for nothing, but the 46 defense isn't exactly widely used for a reason. You need exceptional talent at a number of positions to execute it well.

Two gap versus one gap makes a fairly big difference though, and even though both are 3-4 defenses, the concept difference is pretty significant.

Saccopoo
01-17-2013, 10:11 PM
I understand that we are a couple of players short, which I alluded to in the orignal post.

A CB like Rhodes, Amerson or Banks would allievitate the big, press corner situations in this defense and a guy like Florida's Bostic would take care of the other at MLB.

The big deal with the 46 is lining up two NT's with one being able to get upfield.

Powe and Poe are ideal for this setup.

WayneBowe
01-20-2013, 09:40 PM
So basically, if Andy Reid's drafts...and John Dorsey's drafts got together and made baby drafts... we would have the greatest masterpiece of all time?