Clark is on 610 right now

[DTLB58]

http://player.tritonmedia.com/entercom/KCSPAM

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Thanks for the tip bro!

[Canofbier]

Tuning in, thanks for the heads-up.

[CoMoChief]

any Brett Favre signing news?

[Fire Me Boy!]

Really love that Clark Hunt and Andy Reid are on full media blitz. Seems like they understand what the last four years did to the fanbase and its relationship to the team, and they're doing as much as they can to rebuild that relationship and trust.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

any Brett Favre signing news?

He'll be in for a tryout at 2pm. Going to have him wing the ball through a pair of Wranglers from 30 yards out.

[Fire Me Boy!]

He'll be in for a tryout at 2pm. Going to have him wing the ball through a pair of Wranglers from 30 yards out.

Prediction: His last ball will be intercepted by a pair of Huskies.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Clark wants his Daddy's trophy, and then the Lombardi. Wants it renamed the Clark Hunt trophy.

[CaliforniaChief]

This guy is hungry.

[ILChief]

Have they cut Cassel yet?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Clark's not going to go crazy on instant success. Says Andy gets 15 year plan to get it put together.

[Fritz88]

Really love that Clark Hunt and Andy Reid are on full media blitz. Seems like they understand what the last four years did to the fanbase and its relationship to the team, and they're doing as much as they can to rebuild that relationship and trust.

I agwee.

[Fritz88]

Clark's not going to go crazy on instant success. Says Andy gets 15 year plan to get it put together.

The fuck? I could swear I just heard him say "hopefully in a couple of years we'll have a championship team"

[Fritz88]

Asked about QB

"Big focus of Ried"

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Oh fuck, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[CaliforniaChief]

Aw shit

[the Talking Can]

Clark just said 'there is no clear cut QB'


we are fucked

in the ass

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Already talking about trading back...

[Chiefs=Champions]

Oh ****, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Clark wont be making those decisions.

[Fritz88]

Trading and accumulating high draft picks is possible when asked about 1st pick.

Still working GM search.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Clark just said 'there is no clear cut QB'


we are ****ed

in the ass

I wouldn't believe anything any organization says right now dude. He's not gonna say "Oh yeah, Geno/Wilson is the guy."

[ncCHIEFfan]

Thanks for the heads up DTLB58

[the Talking Can]

we need picks more than a QB...is what no one said ever, except the chiefs

[Fish]

I'm starting to get the feeling we're not gonna be seeing Geno in red and gold...

[DTLB58]

If you didn't catch all of it, they said they would put the link of the podcast up on their site in a few minutes.

[Robo-Chachi]

Oh ****, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Isn't this true though? Doesn't mean they won't take one there, but there certainly isn't any "This is the guy. Without question." there.

[Messier]

Clark just said 'there is no clear cut QB'


we are ****ed

in the ass

He's right.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Honestly if SCOTT FUCKING PIOLI can make the right call to draft Berry, then Andy reid and Dorsey can and will draft a QB.

I really don't know what people expect these guys to say sometimes. Its Clark Hunt. Not our GM, not our Head Coach. Do you really think he knows whats going on as far as potential draft picks?? I bet he couldn't name more than 3 players coming out..

[DTLB58]

I'm starting to get the feeling we're not gonna be seeing Geno in red and gold...

Nope, unless he falls back and we have also.

Also said Hope Andy can put together the coaching staff in the next coming weeks and hope to finalize the GM search in the near future. I believe those were his words. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[BigMeatballDave]

Blah blah blah

Lets wait until the Combine and workouts have concluded before we freak out.

Do you really think the owner gets into this stuff with draft picks?

[ct]

Trading and accumulating high draft picks is possible when asked about 1st pick.

Exactly what they should be saying right now. Any takers? Make us an offer.

[ptlyon]

Did he talk about holding the trophy 43 years ago today?

[Chiefs=Champions]

Blah blah blah

Lets wait until the Combine and workouts have concluded before we freak out.

Do you really think the owner gets into this stuff with draft picks?

THIS

[Rasputin]

Oh ****, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

I am hopeful that this changes from the combine. Any one of the top three QBs could pull away a big impression and be the clear cut guy.

He also said they have controll of the draft with the top pick and could trade down as they need tallent.

fuck just pick GENO SMITH damn.

[-King-]

Jim Irsay didn't commit to Andrew Luck until a few days before the draft.

Stop panicking.
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[Chief Roundup]

Oh ****, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Say hello to Luke Joeckel which moves Albert to guard. :mad:

[Mr_Tomahawk]

joshklingler‏@joshklingler

Andy Reid the other day and Clark Hunt with us just now I now believe the #Chiefs aren't taking a QB at no1

[Canofbier]

Honestly if SCOTT ****ING ***** can make the right call to draft Berry, then Andy reid and Dorsey can and will draft a QB.

I really don't know what people expect these guys to say sometimes. Its Clark Hunt. Not our GM, not our Head Coach. Do you really think he knows whats going on as far as potential draft picks?? I bet he couldn't name more than 3 players coming out..

You can't be fucking serious...

[Canofbier]

joshklingler‏@joshklingler

Andy Reid the other day and Clark Hunt with us just now I now believe the #Chiefs aren't taking a QB at no1

Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one.

[Red Beans]

You can't be ****ing serious...

He can. And we can both agree that he must have a hard time making through the day.

[CoMoChief]

Oh ****, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

As he shouldn't....this is a horrible year to draft a QB at #1




That's why we need Brett Favre :evil:

[Chiefs=Champions]

You can't be ****ing serious...

ROFL , you think nfl owners have a good grasp of upcoming draft prospects?

[Messier]

It's true though. You can't get people to give you a solid answer as to who the best QB in the draft is. CP has decided, but not the NFL, or draft experts. This doesn't mean, no QB, it means there's no Andrew Luck, which is true.

[Rausch]

This guy is hungry.

SHOW ME...

[Chief Roundup]

Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one.

And everyone elses stinks worse than yours.

[BigMeatballDave]

Right now, I like Wilson as much as I like Smith.

[CaliforniaChief]

SHOW ME...

Ummmm....the last couple of weeks?

[the Talking Can]

just brilliant radio

"if you draft a QB, you're more likely to get fired"

which is why Chiefs coaches don't get fired....right, romeo?

the QB makes people in kansas city fucking retarded

[BigMeatballDave]

joshklingler‏@joshklingler

Andy Reid the other day and Clark Hunt with us just now I now believe the #Chiefs aren't taking a QB at no1

Whatever.

a LOT can change in the next 3 months.

[ChiefMojo]

Messier is right. There is no clear cut #1 QB in this draft, doesn't mean we won't take one at #1. At this moment it s Smith or Wilson but we will know more after the combine/pro days.

[Rausch]

Messier is right. There is no clear cut #1 QB in this draft, doesn't mean we won't take one at #1.

We won't...

[Chiefnj2]

ROFL , you think nfl owners have a good grasp of upcoming draft prospects?

I think ones that recently fired their GMs in the manner that Clark did certainly has Pioli and his scouts notes (before they exited) and that QB was a LONG part of the talks with the new HC.

[Mojo Jojo]

ROFL , you think nfl owners have a good grasp of upcoming draft prospects?

About the same grasp as people who post on football message boards.

[ptlyon]

Relax guys, the only thing for sure about this years draft is that we will pick a DT in the 1st round.

[Chief Roundup]

ROFL , you think nfl owners have a good grasp of upcoming draft prospects?

ROFL if you think the owner that 4 years ago made it known that he wanted to draft and develop a QB and is now going to be more involved in the orginization can't name more than 3 players. I bet he can name 10 QBs alone in this draft.

[Chiefs=Champions]

I think ones that recently fired their GMs in the manner that Clark did certainly has ***** and his scouts notes (before they exited) and that QB was a LONG part of the talks with the new HC.

I think Clark was more interested (and rightfully so) in finding a gm and speaking in broad terms of we need a qb. The thought of Clark saying Andy we really need to draft Geno is laughable.

[CoMoChief]

It's true though. You can't get people to give you a solid answer as to who the best QB in the draft is. CP has decided, but not the NFL, or draft experts. This doesn't mean, no QB, it means there's no Andrew Luck, which is true.

bingo

[dirk digler]

Does anyone know what the holdup on getting Dorsey signed, sealed and delivered?

And I am not going to freakout about what they say about the draft until they make the pick.

[ILChief]

Clark just said 'there is no clear cut QB'


we are fucked

in the ass

http://jjiraffe.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/batsignal.jpg

[Chiefs=Champions]

ROFL if you think the owner that 4 years ago made it known that he wanted to draft and develop a QB and is now going to be more involved in the orginization can't name more than 3 players. I bet he can name 10 QBs alone in this draft.

LMAO

Yer i bet. I was exaggerating my point. Clark would not know much at all about the players until closer to the draft.

[Ace Gunner]

you mean Clark/Andy aren't as sure ATM of which QB to take as all of us 9 - 5 stiffs??

well damn. I'm guessing it's got something to do with the fact these men are charged with the task and if they fuck it up they will get skewered by said 9 - 5ers :D

I think it's smart of them to take time on this decision. And, I agree -- there are no clear cuts in this QB draft. I like Geno, Glennon and a few others, but given the choice, I'd want to spend a month or two watching all the film on them and meeting with their coaches, eventually meet the players and then I would make a selection.

[KCUnited]

It's true though. You can't get people to give you a solid answer as to who the best QB in the draft is. CP has decided, but not the NFL, or draft experts. This doesn't mean, no QB, it means there's no Andrew Luck, which is true.

You can't get people to give you a solid answer on who is worth the #1 pick in this draft regardless of position.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Seriously do you think Clark Hunt watches college games? Do you think hes aware of anything other than the most popular well known players in this coming draft?? LMAO what a joke.

[Hoover]

I want them to evaluate all the QBs in the draft. You also have to realize that they are not just going to come out and say Matt Cassel is dog $hit and we are going to take Geno Smith with the 1st pick.

[Chiefshrink]

Oh ****, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Hey when you have the owner coming out and saying this it does 2 things:

1. Begins to prepare the fans emotionally for whoever they pick at 1.

2. Begins the Poker play with the rest of the league.

[BigMeatballDave]

Why would ANY owner come out now and say they are taking a QB #1?

[BigRock]

just brilliant radio

"if you draft a QB, you're more likely to get fired"

which is why Chiefs coaches don't get fired....right, romeo?

the QB makes people in kansas city fucking retarded

It's crazy. Next thing you know, people will be going Chicken Little because of something Clark said about the draft in January before he's hired a GM.

[Chiefshrink]

Seriously do you think Clark Hunt watches college games? Do you think hes aware of anything other than the most popular well known players in this coming draft?? LMAO what a joke.

Precisely my point.

Smoke screen poker play with the league and the fans.

[FloridaMan88]

Where is John Dorsey.

That is all I care about right now.

Anyone who thinks that the Chiefs are going to tell their legit draft strategy at his point is a dumbshit.

[HolyHat]

Clark floped the nuts and hes slow rollin the shit out of the table. Geno baby!!

[HolyHat]

Where is John Dorsey.

That is all I care about right now.

Anyone who thinks that the Chiefs are going to tell their legit draft strategy at his point is a dumbshit.

He's coming brother, stay calm. Contract details getting ironed out.

[Rasputin]

I want them to evaluate all the QBs in the draft. You also have to realize that they are not just going to come out and say Matt Cassel is dog $hit and we are going to take Geno Smith with the 1st pick.

Clark Hunt is very aware of the shitty QB play we had, he doesn't have to say it. He did mention we need better QB play was a big deal. It sounds priority #1. Hope they pick Geno is all I can hope & I'd be happy with Tyler Wilson little less happy with Barkley but still be happy.

I cannot wait untill the Todd Blackledge curse is lifted.

Damn You Carl Peterson :cuss:

[the Talking Can]

Why would ANY owner come out now and say they are taking a QB #1?

because they actually wanted to trade down...

you sure as hell wouldn't advertise your willingness to trade down, if you actually wanted to maximize value from a trade down...

since Clark is - by unanimous consent - sending messages...

[okcchief]

Pretty much everyone is saying there is no clear cut QB to take at 1. This isn't news. If Geno or whoever impress enough at the combine they will be the 1 pick. If not, they will get one in round 2 or make a trade. It may not be the guy you want, but with the staff we are putting together I like the chances of it working. I want the number 1 pick to be a QB, but at this point I trust them to make the right moves. No matter what we aren't playing for a SuperBowl next year so you have to show some patience or go root for a team that has all the pieces in place, and save yourself the aggravation.

[the Talking Can]

how's this for a stat...from someone on 810

of Ted Thompson's last 76 draft picks, only 1 is not in the nfl...

let's get Dorsey in here

[Messier]

He's coming brother, stay calm. Contract details getting ironed out.

By the way, there's some fool on 810 right now that thinks Dorsey is a bad hire.

[Chiefshrink]

He's coming brother, stay calm. Contract details getting ironed out.

They may be already worked out and he just prefers not to be announced until the GB season is officially over out of respect for the team.

[Robo-Chachi]

About the same grasp as people who post on football message boards.

http://www.boardsandrec.com/images/smilies/burnsauce.gif

[the Talking Can]

By the way, there's some fool on 810 right now that thinks Dorsey is a bad hire.

my sense was he was talking about reid, but thought dorsey was a good prospect...

[HolyHat]

By the way, there's some fool on 810 right now that thinks Dorsey is a bad hire.

Now that is funny. Maybe he thinks we should bring back Carl?

[Friggles]

Even if the Chief's knew who they wanted to take as the #1 pick why would they tip their hand?

[Iowanian]

Even if they were gung-ho about a QB, it would be terrible business to say so.

It reduces their trade opportunities to be in love with 1 player, and it gives the agent of that player a bigger dick to sodomize them with in negotiations.

[CaliforniaChief]

I guess we just have to realize that between now and April 25th, there are going to be a lot of smoke screens and false leaks to attract offers, mess with other teams, etc.

I should probably just stay off Twitter/CP/etc. until then...but I just, can't, turn away.

[Messier]

my sense was he was talking about reid, but thought dorsey was a good prospect...

He was saying they wouldn't work well together wasn't he?

[HolyHat]

Even if they were gung-ho about a QB, it would be terrible business to say so.

It reduces their trade opportunities to be in love with 1 player, and it gives the agent of that player a bigger dick to sodomize them with in negotiations.


Think if we can somehow trick a team into swapping us 1st pick and getting an extra 2nd round pick, and still scoop Geno 15th overall....:evil:

[the Talking Can]

Even if they were gung-ho about a QB, it would be terrible business to say so.

It reduces their trade opportunities to be in love with 1 player, and it gives the agent of that player a bigger dick to sodomize them with in negotiations.

there's not much to negotiate in rookie contracts

[the Talking Can]

He was saying they wouldn't work well together wasn't he?

not sure, I was kind of confused

something about the reid-GM-Clark thing he didn't like...but I don't think it was about dorsey specifically...could be wrong

[HolyHat]

there's not much to negotiate in rookie contracts

Sam Bradford was the last guy to dip into that.

[The Bad Guy]

there's not much to negotiate in rookie contracts

Tell me the benefit, besides making a bunch of people on here happy, that saying what you are doing in the draft?

Nevermind the fact that there will be new scouts here with their opinions, a new GM and the combine hasn't even happened or pro days.

[the Talking Can]

Tell me the benefit, besides making a bunch of people on here happy, that saying what you are doing in the draft?

Nevermind the fact that there will be new scouts here with their opinions, a new GM and the combine hasn't even happened or pro days.

i don't why he said they were interested in trading down...ask Clark

[O.city]

TheFilmRoom‏@TheFilmRoom

The owner of a team that trotted out Croyle/Huard/Thigpen/Cassel/Palko doesn't see the value at QB with the #1 pick. Consider the source.

[Oxford]

My goodness, if we tipped our hand about drafting a QB, then no one would give us a good offer on Matt Cassel.

[Chiefs=Champions]

i don't why he said they were interested in trading down...ask Clark

Because hes the owner and dosnt know shit

[Chiefnj2]

Clark, if any of your minions check out social websites to see how you are doing, here's a bit of advice.

"No clear cut QB to take at #1" = BAD, expect banners to fly.

"There are several good QB's in this draft that have us intrigued" = Good.

[Chiefnj2]

TheFilmRoom‏@TheFilmRoom

The owner of a team that trotted out Croyle/Huard/Thigpen/Cassel/Palko doesn't see the value at QB with the #1 pick. Consider the source.

When did he say he didn't see the value at QB?

[RUSH]

how's this for a stat...from someone on 810

of Ted Thompson's last 76 draft picks, only 1 is not in the nfl...

let's get Dorsey in here

LOL holy shit.

I knew he's likely the best GM in the league but that's incredible.

[petegz28]

I do not expect us to draft a QB at #1. I won't be too upset if we don't though I lena towards hoping we do. It isn't like we are passing on Andrew Luck.

[Chiefs=Champions]

I do not expect us to draft a QB at #1. I won't be too upset if we don't though I lena towards hoping we do. It isn't like we are passing on Andrew Luck.

:facepalm:

[O.city]

I do not expect us to draft a QB at #1. I won't be too upset if we don't though I lena towards hoping we do. It isn't like we are passing on Andrew Luck.

:facepalm:

[dirk digler]

I do not expect us to draft a QB at #1. I won't be too upset if we don't though I lena towards hoping we do. It isn't like we are passing on Andrew Luck.

jfc.

[Chiefs=Champions]

:facepalm:

Q

:p

[O.city]

If you could trade down and still get Geno or Wilson, fine. But thats taking a chance on not getting either, then you could potentially be forced to use some of the picks you gained to trade back up to get the 4th or 5th best Qb at the end of round 1.

Why take the chance?

[HolyHat]

I do not expect us to draft a QB at #1. I won't be too upset if we don't though I lena towards hoping we do. It isn't like we are passing on Andrew Luck.

:facepalm:

[Chiefshrink]

Nevermind the fact that there will be new scouts here with their opinions, a new GM and the combine hasn't even happened or pro days.

Precisely !!

Yeah, everyone says that there is no clear cut No.1 QB pick at 1 or even a clear overall No.1 pick in general but by the time all the media draftubators(Mayock,Kiper,McShay) assess all the film, combine results, college pro days, you can bet they will be putting on the 'kneepads' for someone:rolleyes:

[O.city]

What was the last first overall pick that wasn't a Qb that actually worked out and legitimately made his team a SB contender?

[The Bad Guy]

i don't why he said they were interested in trading down...ask Clark

And in the next interview he should say there's numerous players they like.

Reading into this now is just foolish.

[ModSocks]

I do not expect us to draft a QB at #1. I won't be too upset if we don't though I lena towards hoping we do. It isn't like we are passing on Andrew Luck.

:facepalm:

[The Franchise]

Sweet.....everyone is back to freaking the fuck out for no reason at all.

[ptlyon]

What was the last first overall pick that wasn't a Qb that actually worked out and legitimately made his team a SB contender?

Keyword is team in there

[siberian khatru]

Blah blah blah

Lets wait until the Combine and workouts have concluded before we freak out.

Do you really think the owner gets into this stuff with draft picks?


Thank you

[beach tribe]

Clark just said 'there is no clear cut QB'


we are ****ed

in the ass

WE might be able to trade back to 5-10 and still land Geno/Wilson. Don't panic. Reid is gonna want a fresh QB to work with I have little doubt he's gonna take one high.

[philfree]

Tell me the benefit, besides making a bunch of people on here happy, that saying what you are doing in the draft?

Nevermind the fact that there will be new scouts here with their opinions, a new GM and the combine hasn't even happened or pro days.

The draft is a long way off, over three months away and people want Clark to announce the pick. LMAO

[the Talking Can]

And in the next interview he should say there's numerous players they like.

Reading into this now is just foolish.

Clark said it, not me...

i never asked anyone to tell us who they're drafting...i'd just like - one time in 30+ years - to hear someone from this franchise say that the nfl is a QBs league, and that everything starts with the QB...

it isn't an unreasonable desire, imo, given that this franchise has actively downplayed the importance of QB for decades...

but hey, you can deal with failure in your own way...by pretending they do 'get it' in the face of all evidence saying otherwise...I'll deal with it in mine

[ptlyon]

Sweet.....everyone is back to freaking the **** out for no reason at all.

I, for one, am thankful! All of this :grouphug: shit was getting on my nerves!

[the Talking Can]

WE might be able to trade back to 5-10 and still land Geno/Wilson. Don't panic. Reid is gonna want a fresh QB to work with I have little doubt he's gonna take one high.

yes, we should prioritize value....i need more people to tell me how much they want to trade down

[Messier]

not sure, I was kind of confused

something about the reid-GM-Clark thing he didn't like...but I don't think it was about dorsey specifically...could be wrong

Yeah, ok. I listened to the rest of the segment, and the guy clearly doesn't like Andy Reid.

[the Talking Can]

Yeah, ok. I listened to the rest of the segment, and the guy clearly doesn't like Andy Reid.

yeah...big splash of cold water


but given the last few years in philly, understandable....

[dirk digler]

Clark said it, not me...

i never asked anyone to tell us who they're drafting...i'd just like - one time in 30+ years - to hear someone from this franchise say that the nfl is a QBs league, and that everything starts with the QB...

it isn't an unreasonable desire, imo, given that this franchise has actively downplayed the importance of QB for decades...

but hey, you can deal with failure in your own way...by pretending they do 'get it' in the face of all evidence saying otherwise...I'll deal with it in mine

amen

[O.city]

Gonna be a long 2 or 3 months on CP.

[Rausch]

Tell me the benefit, besides making a bunch of people on here happy, that saying what you are doing in the draft?

We have the first pick.

There's no real strategy or secrecy there.

We stay and sign the guy or we trade.

That's it...

[CoMoChief]

how's this for a stat...from someone on 810

of Ted Thompson's last 76 draft picks, only 1 is not in the nfl...

let's get Dorsey in here

LMAO...the Chiefs on the other hand...

[Rausch]

Gonna be a long 2 or 3 months on CP.

It's like looking at the tree and wrapped gifts and you can't open them for 3.5 months...

[bevischief]

This going to be a looooonnnnngggggg off season this year...

[mr. tegu]

It boggles my mind that people are legitamitely worried about anything Clark said. He knows the team needs which is why he ridded us of the prior regime and is going after all the big fish for the staff and front office. Given what has transpired so far I would think people would be more willing to trust he will do the right thing and make sure the team drafts a QB. Clark isn't the one that downplayed the importance of the QB for 30 years.

[the Talking Can]

It's like looking at the tree and wrapped gifts and you can't open them for 3.5 months...

yup

bb gun or ugly sweater....

[htismaqe]

Tell me the benefit, besides making a bunch of people on here happy, that saying what you are doing in the draft?

Nevermind the fact that there will be new scouts here with their opinions, a new GM and the combine hasn't even happened or pro days.

Thanks for slapping me in the face with reality.

The last couple of days have been pretty depressing.

[the Talking Can]

It boggles my mind that people are legitamitely worried about anything Clark said. He knows the team needs which is why he ridded us of the prior regime and is going after all the big fish for the staff and front office. Given what has transpired so far I would think people would be more willing to trust he will do the right thing and make sure the team drafts a QB. Clark isn't the one that downplayed the importance of the QB for 30 years.

how'd that work out last time Clark cleaned house?

shiny new QB?

[Rasputin]

It boggles my mind that people are legitamitely worried about anything Clark said. He knows the team needs which is why he ridded us of the prior regime and is going after all the big fish for the staff and front office. Given what has transpired so far I would think people would be more willing to trust he will do the right thing and make sure the team drafts a QB. Clark isn't the one that downplayed the importance of the QB for 30 years.

Why shouldn't we be worried? This is our future of the team at stake here. This is our chance to get it right or get it wrong. We havn't picked a QBotf in the first round for 30 some years. Just because Clark has taken over he is letting the GM and Coach make the pick and it could go anywhere.

I'm worried and going to express that untill it is known fact what we do with the pick.

[Marcellus]

Pioli will never draft a safety that high, I guarantee it.

[Marcellus]

Why shouldn't we be worried? This is our future of the team at stake here. This is our chance to get it right or get it wrong. We havn't picked a QBotf in the first round for 30 some years. Just because Clark has taken over he is letting the GM and Coach make the pick and it could go anywhere.

I'm worried and going to express that untill it is known fact what we do with the pick.

Sounds like you are going to worry yourself a lot over something you have zero control over.

[ILChief]

Even if the Chief's knew who they wanted to take as the #1 pick why would they tip their hand?

Why not? They have the number one pick, no one can jump us

[mr. tegu]

how'd that work out last time Clark cleaned house?

shiny new QB?

You don't think Clark learned his lesson by giving all the control to one person? I would say he did hence the organizational changes.

[Marcellus]

Why not? They have the number one pick, no one can jump us

Because prior to the combine, the individual workouts and player interviews I would hope they don't ****ing KNOW who they are going to draft yet.

Oh wait, we haven't even hired a GD GM yet.

JFC people.

[the Talking Can]

***** will never draft a safety that high, I guarantee it.

ah...the zombie myth from peter king

[mr. tegu]

Why shouldn't we be worried? This is our future of the team at stake here. This is our chance to get it right or get it wrong. We havn't picked a QBotf in the first round for 30 some years. Just because Clark has taken over he is letting the GM and Coach make the pick and it could go anywhere.

I'm worried and going to express that untill it is known fact what we do with the pick.

Worrying about whether or not we draft a QB is different than worrying about what is said in an interview 3.5 months out by the owner before he even has an announced GM. He said a lot without really saying anything so there is no need to look to deeply into any one thing he said here.

[the Talking Can]

You don't think Clark learned his lesson by giving all the control to one person? I would say he did hence the organizational changes.

has what to do with the QB?

[ChiefsCountry]

Truth is their is no clear cut #1 QB because the top 3 are all about the same, its just the flavor that you like. Its a damn good quarterback class - Barkley, Smith or Wilson are all good quarterbacks and will have nice NFL careers.

[Rasputin]

Sounds like you are going to worry yourself a lot over something you have zero control over.

I have an outlet right here to express myself with my concern. :)

I'm not freaking out with the combine right around the corner I know things change & stock for these guys go up and down like a yoyo.


They may do something in the draft I don't like but could open up to it if it works out. Nothing changes the fact I want us to draft a QBotf with our top pick.

[Rasputin]

Truth is their is no clear cut #1 QB because the top 3 are all about the same, its just the flavor that you like. Its a damn good quarterback class - Barkley, Smith or Wilson are all good quarterbacks and will have nice NFL careers.

The thing that sucks is that the raiders have a shot at one of those guys.

God I hope we get ours first.

[Chiefs=Champions]

ah...the zombie myth from peter king

Its no more a myth than the shit ur saying about Hunt not drafting a qb because of one interview.

[petegz28]

Truth is their is no clear cut #1 QB because the top 3 are all about the same, its just the flavor that you like. Its a damn good quarterback class - Barkley, Smith or Wilson are all good quarterbacks and will have nice NFL careers.

Damn good? Not what I hear. I tend to rely on people here to educate me on college players but outside of CP I don't hear great things about some of these guys, particularly Smith.

[mr. tegu]

has what to do with the QB?

Gee, I don't know, perhaps now with Clark more involved he will voice his opinion come draft time which will in all likelihood be geared towards a QB considering the last time he cleaned house he let one person control everything which had bad results.

That is what learning is. You make a mistake and learn from it. He isn't stupid. He knows we need a QB and between him and Reid and Dorsey? (who both know the value of a first round QB) we will do the same.

[Rasputin]

Worrying about whether or not we draft a QB is different than worrying about what is said in an interview 3.5 months out by the owner before he even has an announced GM. He said a lot without really saying anything so there is no need to look to deeply into any one thing he said here.

Oh, I'm not worried about what he said. I'm worried overall with my expectations to actually get to take a QB & this is our best chance in mega years to get a good one from the draft and I just don't want them to muck it up with trading down and missing out on that guy.


I worry about this because I give a shit & care what they do. What they say now isn't apart of that worry. It's others that say there isn't a QB worth the pick or others that say we should get a retread from FA. That kind of bull shit is what pisses me off the most.

[the Talking Can]

Its no more a myth than the shit ur saying about Hunt not drafting a qb because of one interview.

no, it's true based on 30 years of data

this organization doesn't value QBs and as a result hasn't drafted one...that includes Clark

you can choose to believe otherwise, but not based on any real world information...

in other words, you live in a fantasy world...like most chiefs fans

[ChiefsCountry]

Damn good? Not what I hear. I tend to rely on people here to educate me on college players but outside of CP I don't hear great things about some of these guys, particularly Smith.

Its because you are an idiot listening to those fucktards.

[jd1020]

Oh fuck, all kidding aside, Clark says no clear cut quarterback to take at 1. :facepalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Jags apparently no longer want Tebow.

Watch us pass on a QB and the Jags draft a top 10 QB for the 2nd time in the last 3 years.

[the Talking Can]

Gee, I don't know, perhaps now with Clark more involved he will voice his opinion come draft time which will in all likelihood be geared towards a QB considering the last time he cleaned house he let one person control everything which had bad results.

That is what learning is. You make a mistake and learn from it. He isn't stupid. He knows we need a QB and between him and Reid and Dorsey? (who both know the value of a first round QB) we will do the same.

right

so we can't read into Clark's words...that's laughable

but we can read into Clark's intentions....that's just common sense

check

[Chiefs=Champions]

no, it's true based on 30 years of data

this organization doesn't value QBs and as a result hasn't drafted one...that includes Clark

you can choose to believe otherwise, but not based on any real world information...

in other words, you live in a fantasy world...like most chiefs fans

:rolleyes:

Yep. You are right. Hunt said that there isn't a clear cut number 1 QB in this draft, so we should fucking pack up and go home. Nothing to see here. Franchise is forever doomed. Shit.

What a bunch of whiny cunts this place produces sometimes. You are a smart guy. You normally give good takes. But to scream the sky is falling after this interview is absolute the most ridiculous thing ever.

[Rasputin]

no, it's true based on 30 years of data

this organization doesn't value QBs and as a result hasn't drafted one...that includes Clark

you can choose to believe otherwise, but not based on any real world information...

in other words, you live in a fantasy world...like most chiefs fans

What Clark values most is trusting the guys he hires to do their job and leaves it up to them. He is not a meddling owner like JJ. He trust his guys & believes that they will make the right decisions for this organization. If his guys want to get a retread & talk him into it he will sign off on it. I think he does want a QB from the draft but would allow the Coach and GM make that decision.

[The Franchise]

Jags apparently no longer want Tebow.

Watch us pass on a QB and the Jags draft a top 10 QB for the 2nd time in the last 3 years.

The Jags don't want Tebow....but the GM has also come out and said that he hasn't given up on Gabbert yet. He said that coming out of the draft he knew that Gabbert was going to be a long term project. He's also stated there will be a QB competition next season. AND now Rotoworld is stating that the Jags may be looking to Greg Roman as their next HC....and that Roman and Alex Smith might be a package deal.

Yeah....I know that's a lot of IFs.

[bevischief]

:popcorn:

[Chiefs=Champions]

right

so we can't read into Clark's words...that's laughable

but we can read into Clark's intentions....that's just common sense

check

Take a fucking chill pill dude. I WOULD be worried slightly if the GM had said this. It was said by our owner. Fucking BEFORE the combine. Fucking BEFORE we even have a GM.

[tk13]

Actually you could easily argue all of this. One, there is no clear cut QB like Luck was all of last year. There are differing opinions on the best QB this year, and it some people think they all stink.

And that said... you can argue Clark values the QB position. With his first big hire, he turned right around traded for his GM's preferred QB and gave him $60 million, even though he was unproven. It was a horrible, horrible decision... but you can't question the intent was to find a franchise QB over the long term. Incompentence does not equal lack of desire.
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[jd1020]

And that said... you can argue Clark values the QB position. With his first big hire, he turned right around traded for his GM's preferred QB and gave him $60 million, even though he was unproven. It was a horrible, horrible decision... but you can't question the intent was to find a franchise QB over the long term.
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2nd round pick. Doesn't count.

[mr. tegu]

Oh, I'm not worried about what he said. I'm worried overall with my expectations to actually get to take a QB & this is our best chance in mega years to get a good one from the draft and I just don't want them to muck it up with trading down and missing out on that guy.


I worry about this because I give a shit & care what they do. What they say now isn't apart of that worry. It's others that say there isn't a QB worth the pick or others that say we should get a retread from FA. That kind of bull shit is what pisses me off the most.

I agree. The talking heads that say there isn't a QB, blah blah annoys me too. But I know what my eyes tell me and I trust that this new regime will see the same thing and see that there are some good QBs who are certainly worth the first overall pick.

[bricks]

I still think the Chiefs take a QB with the #1 pick despite Clark's comments.

They absolutely have to. There is no other option. It's clearly the most glaring weakness and need on the team. There is no better way to improve the position than the draft.

He is just stating that there is no blue chip for sure prospect thats a guarantee to pick at #1 for QB. Doesn't mean the Chiefs won't draft a QB though. Nothing to fret over really.

[Rasputin]

I agree. The talking heads that say there isn't a QB, blah blah annoys me too. But I know what my eyes tell me and I trust that this new regime will see the same thing and see that there are some good QBs who are certainly worth the first overall pick.

I am so much looking forward to what happens at the combine. I think that is when the decision is going be made. They will still hold out for trade options but I don't think they would trade back too far and risk out on getting the best of the three QBs. This is the biggest reason I don't want to trade back is the risk of missing out on our guy.

[FringeNC]

If we don't take Geno Smith, isn't too early to assume Dorsey and Reid are incompetent?

[Mr. Kotter]

Truth is their is no clear cut #1 QB because the top 3 are all about the same, its just the flavor that you like. Its a damn good quarterback class - Barkley, Smith or Wilson are all good quarterbacks and will have nice NFL careers.

I truly do believe THIS.

They may not have the same rookie years as Luck, RG3, Wislon, or Newton had. Honestly though, they all three seem to possess certain degrees of the poise, IQs, maturity, work ethic, charcter, and moxy....the "intangibles" that so many over-looked in drafting guys highly like Couch, Leaf, Russell, Mirer, and Quinn. They are within protypical standards of an NFL QBs from a physical perspective.

They may not be off the charts as some of the busts were, but they fit the bill physically--and from an leadership, intelligence, and the intangibles perspective possess skills which led to the others who failed seemed quite lacking in.

[TimeForWasp]

Hey when you have the owner coming out and saying this it does 2 things:

1. Begins to prepare the fans emotionally for whoever they pick at 1.

2. Begins the Poker play with the rest of the league.

exactly

[jd1020]

If we don't take Geno Smith, isn't too early to assume Dorsey and Reid are incompetent?

No.

If they see something in Smith that they don't like and choose to trade back for their guy, be it Wilson, Barkley, or some late round first like Bray then I won't be calling for their heads.

If they continue the Chiefs way of waiting til the mid rounds and trading for a backup like Flynn then it won't be to early. Commence shooting.

[Floridafan]

Prediction: His last ball will be intercepted by a pair of Huskies.

That's hilarious.

[DC.chief]

Guys based on that interview there is no way in hell we are going to select a QB in this draft in any round. We are fucked big time. I say we fire Andy Reid now or perhaps consider cheering for a team that tells us exactly who they want to draft before it starts.

[FringeNC]

No.

If they see something in Smith that they don't like and choose to trade back for their guy, be it Wilson, Barkley, or some late round first like Bray then I won't be calling for their heads.

If they continue the Chiefs way of waiting til the mid rounds and trading for a backup like Flynn then it won't be to early. Commence shooting.

I predict the Chiefs will select a QB in the 1st or 2nd round, and that guy will be the opening day starter. Reid no longer has the pressure to win now, and I have few doubts that he plans on developing a rookie QB he thinks he can win with down the road.

[SAUTO]

Guys based on that interview there is no way in hell we are going to select a QB in this draft in any round. We are fucked big time. I say we fire Andy Reid now or perhaps consider cheering for a team that tells us exactly who they want to draft before it starts.

lol... in ANY round? ROFL

[The Franchise]

There is no scenario where not taking a QB at #1 would be justifiable.

If you stick with the 3-4.....you've got Hali and Houston....no Jarvis Jones. Poe is your NT....no Star. ILBs and CBs don't go #1 overall.

If you re-sign Albert.....no OT. If you don't re-sign Albert...you drafted Donald Stephenson last year.....fucking play him.

[Coogs]

I still think the Chiefs take a QB with the #1 pick despite Clark's comments.

They absolutely have to. There is no other option. It's clearly the most glaring weakness and need on the team. There is no better way to improve the position than the draft.

He is just stating that there is no blue chip for sure prospect thats a guarantee to pick at #1 for QB. Doesn't mean the Chiefs won't draft a QB though. Nothing to fret over really.

Absolutely! To pass on a QB in round 1, and have one of the 1st rounders pan out to be a franchise QB... :shake:

If we take a QB in the first, and he turns out to be a bust... :shrug:

Draft another one.

[The Bad Guy]

To me with Andy Reid right now, I think Barkley is going to be the target.

[Mr. Kotter]

Absolutely! To pass on a QB in round 1, and have one of the 1st rounders pan out to be a franchise QB... :shake:

If we take a QB in the first, and he turns out to be a bust... :shrug:

Draft another one.

Exactly. I agree, but the whole value-thing seems to weigh very heavily in the discussion when it comes time to actually pick--because the BAA argument really is compelling given draft history.

However, if they are able to trade down 5-6 spots without jeopardizing choosing one of the three top prospects...I could see them doing that. On the other hand if they are not going to be availble, if there was ever a year Chief's fans will forgive the FO on a "reach" for a QB--this would be it. Either way...our first round pick will most likely be a QB.

Unless they are dead certain that "their" guy will be there when we pick in the second... :spock:

:(

[Rausch]

Clark has never taken a QB in the 1st and he won't this year either.

Too risky...

[Mr. Kotter]

Clark has never taken a QB in the 1st and he won't this year either.

Too risky...

Like I said, if there were ever a year he could get away with it....this would be it...:hmmm:

[htismaqe]

lol... in ANY round? ROFL

Adjust your sarcasm meter...

[ChiefsCountry]

To me with Andy Reid right now, I think Barkley is going to be the target.

PBJ

[Rausch]

Like I said, if there were ever a year he could get away with it....this would be it...:hmmm:

And he still won't...

[htismaqe]

Clark has never taken a QB in the 1st and he won't this year either.

Too risky...

Clark is on a whirlwind tour to win back the fans.

I think they take a QB because it gives him something singular to galvanize the fanbase.

Don't think he didn't notice that there were more Joe Montana and Trent Green (and even ELVIS GRBAC) jerseys in the stadium vs. Matt Cassel jerseys.

[The Franchise]

PBJ

Honest question...

In what ways is Barkley better than Smith?

[Rausch]

To me with Andy Reid right now, I think Barkley is going to be the target.

:spock:








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[Mr. Kotter]

Clark is on a whirlwind tour to win back the fans.

I think they take a QB because it gives him something singular to galvanize the fanbase.

Don't think he didn't notice that there were more Joe Montana and Trent Green (and even ELVIS GRBAC) jerseys in the stadium vs. Matt Cassel jerseys.

Eh, I think Rausch is just preparing himself for a letdown...that or trying the reverse psychology angle. Heh.

[BigMeatballDave]

Honest question...

In what ways is Barkley better than Smith?

I'm not high on Barkley, but considering the offense Reid likes to run, Barkley isn't a bad idea.

I'd still rather have Smith.

I'd be good with Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. In that order.

[dirk digler]

Absolutely! To pass on a QB in round 1, and have one of the 1st rounders pan out to be a franchise QB... :shake:

If we take a QB in the first, and he turns out to be a bust... :shrug:

Draft another one.

Yep. With the way the contracts are setup now for 1st round draft choices it makes no sense to trade back or not pick a QB if you were the Chiefs.

Of course unless they get a king's ransom in return.

[DaneMcCloud]

To me with Andy Reid right now, I think Barkley is going to be the target.

That's exactly what I've thought all along.

But JFC, post something other than "Geno!" and people turn ridiculously hostile around here.

[Rausch]

Eh, I think Rausch is just preparing himself for a letdown...that or trying the reverse psychology angle. Heh.

I don't think he will.

Honestly.

I think it's Andy's pick and I don't see him going QB in the 1st...

[BigMeatballDave]

I don't think he will.

Honestly.

I think it's Andy's pick and I don't see him going QB in the 1st...

Why not?

He took McNabb.

[memyselfI]

Clark has never taken a QB in the 1st and he won't this year either.

Too risky...

Agreed. Especially when his new head coach said (on Mike and Mike) the current talent at QB needs to be evaluated and may not have received a fair shake before because of the changing offenses. He described them as 'young' and 'fragile' guys.

To me, that means Cassel and/or Quinn will be here next year along with a new guy to be named later.

[htismaqe]

I'm not high on Barkley, but considering the offense Reid likes to run, Barkley isn't a bad idea.

I'd still rather have Smith.

I'd be good with Smith, Wilson, or Barkley. In that order.

Reid likes to push the ball downfield more than the traditional WCO. Barkley isn't the "perfect" fit in Reid's system the way some people think.

[htismaqe]

I don't think he will.

Honestly.

I think it's Andy's pick and I don't see him going QB in the 1st...

The one and only time he had a similar pick, he took Donovan McNabb, when the entire world thought he shouldn't.

[DTLB58]

That's exactly what I've thought all along.

But JFC, post something other than "Geno!" and people turn ridiculously hostile around here.

Yep, Geno is gonna be the Jimmy Clausen of 2010 on CP. :grr:

[htismaqe]

Agreed. Especially when his new head coach is saying the current talent at QB needs to be evaluated and may not have received a fair shake before because of the changing offenses. He described them as 'young' and 'fragile' guys.

To me, that means Cassel and/or Quinn will be here next year along with a new guy to be named later.

Cassel won't be here.

They can save several million against the cap by cutting him.

[BigMeatballDave]

Agreed. Especially when his new head coach is saying the current talent at QB needs to be evaluated and may not have received a fair shake before because of the changing offenses. He described them as 'young' and 'fragile' guys.

To me, that means Cassel and/or Quinn will be here next year along with a new guy to be named later.

LMAO Go away.

[htismaqe]

That's exactly what I've thought all along.

But JFC, post something other than "Geno!" and people turn ridiculously hostile around here.

I don't see any ounce of hostility in this thread, do you?

[FringeNC]

Agreed. Especially when his new head coach is saying the current talent at QB needs to be evaluated and may not have received a fair shake before because of the changing offenses. He described them as 'young' and 'fragile' guys.

To me, that means Cassel and/or Quinn will be here next year along with a new guy to be named later.

Cassel and his $7.5 million contract? ROFL

[Rausch]

Why not?

He took McNabb.

So because McNabb was chocolate and Geno is chocolate this has to be the pick?....

[memyselfI]

Cassel won't be here.

They can save several million against the cap by cutting him.

Hope not for CP sake. But if he could restructure (is it possible) I wonder if there could be a case of devil you know...

Reid sounded very open to any possibilities. I was rather stunned at how he was talking about the difficulty of the QBs facing numerous offensive changes and how that may have negatively impacted them.

[htismaqe]

Cassel and his $7.5 million contract? ROFL

It's actually more like $16.5M over the next two years.

We save over $5M against the cap by letting him go.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

They'll take Geno. Reid's offense uses the deep ball a lot more than other WCO's, which makes Smith a tailor-made fit. If Jon Gruden were our coach I could see Barkley.

[ChiefsCountry]

Honest question...

In what ways is Barkley better than Smith?

Leadership and intangiables. Geno is better on the pure physical part, Barkley on the mental part. And its not a knock on Geno either, he is pretty good at it as well - Barkley is just better.

[htismaqe]

Hope not for CP sake. But if he could restructure (is it possible) I wonder if there could be a case of devil you know...

Restructure? He's got 2 years left. Why would he want to restructure? Why would they?

[-King-]

So because McNabb was chocolate and Geno is chocolate this has to be the pick?....

Nobody thought he should pick McNabb. He was booed the second it was announced. Reid knew something everybody else didn't.
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[okcchief]

To me with Andy Reid right now, I think Barkley is going to be the target.

To me Barkley is my least favorite of the 3. However, if Reid likes him I'll trust his judgement.

You have to give this regime a few years and see how it plays out. We will have people in charge that know better than us.

Using the OKC Thunder as an example people shit all over Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden when they were selected. Many had the opinion you should trade Westbrook and draft Rubio the year Harden was picked. If they went by what the fans and media wanted we would be complete shit right now.

You hire the best football people you can and let them make the decisions. If you trade down or get a 2nd round QB thats ok in my book. Give them a chance to build the team, and if they don't succeed in a few years then flame away.

[dirk digler]

They'll take Geno. Reid's offense uses the deep ball a lot more than other WCO's, which makes Smith a tailor-made fit. If Jon Gruden were our coach I could see Barkley.

We will just need to find ourselves a DeSean Jackson\Maclin burner at WR

[ILChief]

Well our last banner asked for a "new" QB and not the "#1 QB in the draft" so we are all good

[Rausch]

Nobody thought he should pick McNabb. He was booed the second it was announced. Reid knew something everybody else didn't.
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Props to him for an excellent pick.

You still didn't answer the question...

[memyselfI]

Restructure? He's got 2 years left. Why would he want to restructure? Why would they?

I don't know why either party would want to. I just don't think Cassel is as gone as I thought he was before Reid was hired. His responses on that call indicated to me that he thinks the coaching was the problem moreso than the QBs themselves.

Bottom line, if Cassel stays I won't be shocked.

[FringeNC]

It's actually more like $16.5M over the next two years.

We save over $5M against the cap by letting him go.

Right, if you include 2014. If for some reason Reid goes with a journeyman scrub his first year, it's going to be a guy that the QBOTF and the rest of the offense can learn the WCO from.

[BigMeatballDave]

I don't know why either party would want to. I just don't think Cassel is as gone as I thought he was before Reid was hired. His responses on that call indicated to me that he thinks the coaching was the problem moreso than the QBs.

LMAO Dumbass

[-King-]

Props to him for an excellent pick.

You still didn't answer the question...

Even though people don't think Geno is a clear cut #1 pick, there's a good chance Reid does based on his history with McNabb and based on the traits he looks for in a Qb.
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[okcchief]

I don't know why either party would want to. I just don't think Cassel is as gone as I thought he was before Reid was hired. His responses on that call indicated to me that he thinks the coaching was the problem moreso than the QBs themselves.

Bottom line, if Cassel stays I won't be shocked.

Now this is the one thing I would freak about lol

[BigMeatballDave]

Now this is the one thing I would freak about lol

Reid is not stupid

[Rausch]

Even though people don't think Geno is a clear cut #1 pick, there's a good chance Reid does based on his history with McNabb and based on the traits he looks for in a Qb.
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Having a chocolate QB?...

[htismaqe]

Props to him for an excellent pick.

You still didn't answer the question...

He took McNabb because he knows the value of QBs.

[htismaqe]

I don't know why either party would want to. I just don't think Cassel is as gone as I thought he was before Reid was hired. His responses on that call indicated to me that he thinks the coaching was the problem moreso than the QBs themselves.

Bottom line, if Cassel stays I won't be shocked.

Nothing they say at this point is worth a grain of salt.

They don't even have a GM yet.

[Mr. Kotter]

Honest question...

In what ways is Barkley better than Smith?

The stuff I've read gives Smith the edge with speed, mobility, and arm strength, but they give Barkley the edge in accuracy, mental make-up, and leadership. Smith's biggest knock seems to be a gunslinger mentality that contributes to poor accuracy on intermediate and deep throws (which has been masked by solid WV recievers,) while his strenghts include athleticism/mobility. The knock on Barley seems to center on arm strength and durability, and his strengths production and intangibles.

[Rausch]

The stuff I've read gives Smith the edge with speed, mobility, and arm strength, but they give Barkley the edge in accuracy, mental make-up, and leadership. Smith's biggest knock seems to be a gunslinger mentality that contributes to poor accuracy on intermediate and deep throws (which has been masked by solid WV recievers,) while his strenghts include athleticism/mobility. The knock on Barley seems to center on arm strength and durability, and his strengths production and intangibles.

Barkley IS fucking Ca$$hole in every way.

Everything about him reminds me of him...

[BigMeatballDave]

Barkley IS fucking Ca$$hole in every way.

Everything about him reminds me of him...

Wow.

Couldn't be more wrong.

[htismaqe]

The stuff I've read gives Smith the edge with speed, mobility, and arm strength, but they give Barkley the edge in accuracy, mental make-up, and leadership. Smith's biggest knock seems to be a gunslinger mentality that contributes to poor accuracy on intermediate and deep throws (which has been masked by solid WV recievers,) while his strenghts include athleticism/mobility. The knock on Barley seems to center on arm strength and durability, and his strengths production and intangibles.

When it comes to the underneath stuff, Barkley has great timing so he's very accurate.

On the deep stuff, it's no contest. Smith is accurate and delivers the ball on time. Barkley tends to float stuff.

[Rausch]

Wow.

Couldn't be more wrong.

We'll see...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

A mentality wouldn't contribute to poor accuracy, a lack of ability or poor technique would. A gunslinger mentality could contribute to poor decisions. That said, I'm not previously aware of anyone questioning Smith's downfield accuracy. In fact, I think it's the trait where he stands out most.

[O.city]

Geno is an extremely accurate QB, who is said to lack in reading defenses. I'm a fan of Geno, like Wilson too. But, give me a guy who's extremely accurate and I'll try and teach him to read defenses.

[Rausch]

Geno is an extremely accurate QB, who is said to lack in reading defenses. I'm a fan of Geno, like Wilson too. But, give me a guy who's extremely accurate and I'll try and teach him to read defenses.

Trent Green was the exact opposite.

He knew how to read a defense and where his guy would be and THAT made him accurate...

[O.city]

Trent Green was the exact opposite.

He knew how to read a defense and where his guy would be and THAT made him accurate...

Reading defenses doesnt' make you accurate. You can know where to throw it, but if you aren't accurate, it doesn't matter.


Green was extremely accurate and could read defenses.

A guy like Wilson is good at reading d's but isn't as accurate.

[Rausch]

Reading defenses doesnt' make you accurate.

Ok, yer' right...

[BigMeatballDave]

Ok, yer' right...

He is. It's mechanics.

[Mr. Kotter]

Barkley IS ****ing Ca$$hole in every way.

Everything about him reminds me of him...

I've talked with some SC fans who would strongly disagree... :shrug:

[RINGLEADER]

I've thought the Chiefs may trade back to someone who needs a LT or DT to get a top 10 pick this year, a first next season and the trade the second round pick for a first next season and later second or thord this year. We go into 2013 with 3 first rounders eithe the ability to take whoever we want. If there's no obvious QB next year we do it again and have 5 first rounders in 2014.

Because draft picks are more valuable than players.

[Rausch]

I've talked with some SC fans who would strongly disagree... :shrug:

Eh.....I'd disagree.

I don't want him.

In any round. Not even the 7th...

[Mr. Kotter]

When it comes to the underneath stuff, Barkley has great timing so he's very accurate.

On the deep stuff, it's no contest. Smith is accurate and delivers the ball on time. Barkley tends to float stuff.

That's interesting, because while I've read similar takes....it depends on perspective. According to some Smith's accuracy is a result of a superior corp of very athletic receivers who make catches a lot of players would not--and that he sacrifices "touch" for velocity, whereas Barkley lacks a cannon he is reputably better with touch, placement of the ball, and as you say timing.

I'm not a big college FB follower (no time,) and haven't seen more than a handfull of games by either. However, what I have seen....seems consistent with those takes. Guess we'll see what Andy thinks in the coming months though.

[DaneMcCloud]

Barkley IS fucking Ca$$hole in every way.

Everything about him reminds me of him...

Dude...

[ChiefsCountry]

Dude...

Same school, same first name, same number must be the same fucking player.

[Mr. Kotter]

A mentality wouldn't contribute to poor accuracy, a lack of ability or poor technique would. A gunslinger mentality could contribute to poor decisions. That said, I'm not previously aware of anyone questioning Smith's downfield accuracy. In fact, I think it's the trait where he stands out most.

Maybe he forces throws? I hope you are right, and we pick him then. One example of what I've read....


Displays adequate overall accuracy but can continue to improve as a senior. Mechanics and footwork are solid. Usually throws with good balance. Very accurate in the short-to-intermediate range. Shows good placement and provides his receivers with the ability to create after the catch. Can make an accurate throw off balance and/or on the run to both sides. Also can thread the needle into tight downfield windows. A bit of fast ball thrower right now and can continue to develop touch, particularly with longer intermediate and deeps throws. Needs to learn to put more air under his deep ball and drop it down the chute to provide more room for error with receivers.


From ESPN Insider....

[saphojunkie]

If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother fucking defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full retard.

[DaneMcCloud]

If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother fucking defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full retard.

Murray's didn't declare. I don't think Reid will put his offense in the hands of Tyler Bray, a 21 year old kid with maturity issues. If he does select Bray, expect a stop-gap QB for at least a year, if not two.

[Rausch]

Same school, same first name, same number must be the same ****ing player.

Same weak arm, average mobility, unimpressive play...

[the Talking Can]

If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother ****ing defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full retard.

murray isn't coming out
smith isn't dropping to 33

bray?

you're pretty close to full retard already

how about we just draft the best qb?

[saphojunkie]

murray isn't coming out
smith isn't dropping to 33

bray?

you're pretty close to full retard already

how about we just draft the best qb?

Didn't know that about Murray, and as my grandpappy used to tell me, "the less a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to look like a fool in retrospect."

I don't mean Bray at #1, I mean at #33.

And Smith could fall. Anything is possible right now. They haven't done any medical evals or anything. He could have a nagging shoulder injury that no one knew about. He could get a DUI. Justin Houston was a first rounder until the combine.

don't get ahead of yourself.

[Molitoth]

Smith's biggest knock seems to be a gunslinger mentality that contributes to poor accuracy on intermediate and deep throws

Wow, just wow. If anything Geno is one of the most accurate deep ball passers I have seen. I don't know how people come up with this stuff.

Sure Austin/Woods/Bailey are good-great receivers, but holy hell if a WR makes a QB good, then every team should be drafting WR's in the top 10 and just plug some guy in at QB.

[Mr. Kotter]

Interesting take from Walter Football....


I wrote earlier that this pick largely depended on what would happen with Scott Pioli. If Pioli were retained, he'd draft Star Lotulelei or Luke Joeckel and then use his second-round pick on Mike Glennon, whom he likes. If Pioli were fired, however, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, the new general manager would almost have to take a franchise quarterback.

Well, it was the latter situation that occurred. Andy Reid was hired, while Pioli was axed. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, but whether that means Reid will spend this selection on a quarterback or sign his aging, scrambling signal-caller from Philadelphia remains to be seen. But if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Geno Smith.

Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense.

ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley or Glennon. We'll see. Four months is a long time. If this doesn't happen, the Chiefs could always trade down.

[HolyHat]

Same school, same first name, same number must be the same ****ing player.

I'm sorry but USC QBs are the most hyped garbage I've ever seen.

What you fail to understand is all USC QBs are going to look somewhat good...Why? Because they get the best recruits year after year. It's easy for USC QBs to show some kind of ability. When youre getting awards like "program of the decade"

USC QBs, No fucking thanks.

[Mr. Kotter]

Wow, just wow. If anything Geno is one of the most accurate deep ball passers I have seen. I don't know how people come up with this stuff.

Sure Austin/Woods/Bailey are good-great receivers, but holy hell if a WR makes a QB good, then every team should be drafting WR's in the top 10 and just plug some guy in at QB.

I quoted it because it was striking...and apparently only one misguided critics crappy opinion, I guess.

[jd1020]

What you fail to understand is all USC QBs are going to look somewhat good...Why? Because they get the best recruits year after year. It's easy for USC QBs to show some kind of ability. When youre getting awards like "program of the decade"

:hmmm:

So where do they get their QBs?

[HolyHat]

:hmmm:

So where do they get their QBs?

You can plug in just about any QB with some sort of skill at USC. Thats what i'm saying.

[Mr. Kotter]

Walter Football's Most recent write-up of Smith:

1/12/13: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.

Smith has completed 71 percent of his passes this season for 4,205 yards, 42 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.

The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.

Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.

[Molitoth]

I quoted it because it was striking...and apparently only one misguided critics crappy opinion, I guess.

Yeah, I wasn't coming down on you for that... I know you were just quoting someone else there.

Regardless, I don't know what games that guy was watching. You can see beautiful deep chocolate balls in almost every Geno game this season.
And you won't see many inaccurate incompletions, considering his completion % is so high.

[HolyHat]

If USC had Geno Smith....HOLY SHIT BATMAN

[Mr. Kotter]

Barkley:

1/12/13: Barkley had a rough senior season that has caused his stock to decline. He never had an elite physical skill set, but the decision-making problems are the most worrisome. In Barkley's defense, his offensive line was horrible. He was under heat all season as USC really missed Matt Kalil.

Barkley completed 64 percent of his passes for 3,273 yards, 36 touchdowns and 15 interceptions in 2012. The senior didn't play well against Stanford or Washington, and was just average against California. He had underwhelming games versus UCLA and Arizona, too. Barkley injured his shoulder against the Bruins and was unable to play against Notre Dame or Georgia Tech.

8/16/12: Barkley proved himself to be a safe prospect during the 2011 season. He laid claim to the Trojans' starting quarterback position as a freshman and completed 59.9 percent of his passes for 2,735 yards and 15 touchdowns, but also threw 14 interceptions. In 12 games in 2010, the 6-foot-2, 220 pounder improved his production by completing 62.6 percent of his passes for 2,791 yards with 26 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Barkley had many prolific passing games as a junior in 2011, including throwing for six touchdown passes against UCLA and Colorado. He also led USC to a signature road win over Oregon. Barkley completed 69 percent of his passes for 3,528 yards with 39 touchdowns and only seven interceptions.

The senior's improved decision making is exactly the kind of progress NFL scouts will be pleased to see, plus he comes from a pro-style offense and has good intangibles. Barkley has mastered the West Coast offense and is well-prepared for the NFL.

[jd1020]

If USC had Geno Smith....HOLY SHIT BATMAN

"No to USC QBs. They are all garbage."

[Mr. Kotter]

They haven't updated Wilson's yet:

8/16/12: Wilson completed 63 percent of his passes in 2011 for 3,638 yards with 24 touchdowns and six interceptions. The 6-foot-3, 220-pounder has good field vision, a strong arm and accuracy. He played better as the year progressed.

Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision making the junior displayed last season was very impressive.

Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He demonstrated the ability to push the ball outside the numbers in 2011, moving the ball down the field with precision passes. Wilson also has nice mobility to buy time or pick up yards on the ground. With his size, arm and intellect, he will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

Wilson played a little bit in 2010 as a backup to Ryan Mallett. Wilson completed 34-of-51 passes for 453 yards with four touchdowns and three interceptions.

The 2012 season figures to be a challenging year for Wilson even though he received good preparation for the pro game from Bobby Petrino. Petrino has been fired and the Arkansas program is in turmoil. To make things harder, Wilson lost a bunch of good receivers.

[Easy 6]

LMAO at this thread.

The Reid honeymoon is OVER bitches!

Now lets get back to telling each other just how ****ing STUPID we are.

[MIAdragon]

I've talked with some SC fans who would strongly disagree... :shrug:

Of course they don't, they can will him to greatness all they want, but at the end of the day he is what he is, a Mark Cassel clone.

[Mr. Kotter]

Yeah, I wasn't coming down on you for that... I know you were just quoting someone else there.

Regardless, I don't know what games that guy was watching. You can see beautiful deep chocolate balls in almost every Geno game this season.
And you won't see many inaccurate incompletions, considering his completion % is so high.

Walter references it a bit here:

Smith's plus mobility allows him to pick up first downs with his feet and bail out his offensive line. He needs to work on sustaining drives as he struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field. Smith will need to improve his footwork for the NFL. He needs to become more uniform with good feet to get in rhythm.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Molitoth]

He needs to work on sustaining drives as he struggled when Texas Tech and Kansas State took away the deep part of the field.

While I agree with this assessment, you have to take into consideration that Geno was playing from behind a LOT of time due to the terrible defense. He relied on the deep ball to get his team back into games quickly. TTech and Kstate game planned against this and that is why they got stomped.

Also, with Charles in the backfield and a good Chiefs running game, defenses are going to have to prepare for the run. Either Smith is going to eat up a defense with the deep pass, or Charles is in the run game. There will be no more stacking of the box.