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WayneBowe
01-20-2013, 09:26 PM
South Roster
# FIRST LAST POSITION HT WT SCHOOL
14 Landry Jones QB 6'4" 220 Oklahoma
3 EJ Manuel QB 6'4" 240 Florida State
8 Tyler Wilson QB 6'2" 218 Arkansas

23 Andre Ellington RB 5'9" 192 Clemson
22 Mike Gillislee RB 5'11" 210 Florida
32 Onterio McCalebb RB / RS 5'11" 173 Auburn
33 Stepfan Taylor RB 5'11" 215 Stanford

42 Tommy Bohanon FB 6'2" 245 Wake Forest

11 Cobi Hamilton WR 6'2" 209 Arkansas
12 Tavarres King WR 6'1" 200 Georgia
4 Quinton Patton WR 6'2" 195 Louisiana Tech
25 Ryan Swope WR 6'0" 206 Texas A&M
82 Conner Vernon WR 6'1" 200 Duke
2 Terrance Williams WR 6'2" 205 Baylor

88 Vance McDonald TE 6'4" 260 Rice
81 Mychal Rivera TE 6'3" 244 Tennessee
89 Michael Williams TE 6'5" 272 Alabama

72 Oday Aboushi OL 6'6" 310 Virginia
76 D.J. Fluker OL 6'6" 335 Alabama
64 Dalton Freeman OL 6'5" 285 Clemson
65 Garrett Gilkey OL 6'7" 320 Chadron State
69 Lane Johnson OL 6'6" 303 Oklahoma
73 Xavier Nixon OL 6'5" 314 Florida
57 Brian Schwenke OL 6'4" 300 Cal
71 Dallas Thomas OL 6'5" 310 Tennessee
74 J.C. Tretter OL 6'4" 300 Cornell
67 Larry Warford OL 6'3" 343 Kentucky

18 Dustin Hopkins PK 6'2" 190 Florida State

51 Carson Tinker LS 6'1" 224 Alabama

47 Ezekial Ansah DL 6'5" 270 Brigham Young
93 Everett Dawkins DL 6'2" 304 Florida State
89 Lavar Edwards DL 6'5" 258 LSU
97 Malliciah Goodman DL 6'4" 270 Clemson
46 Corey Grissom DL 6'2" 316 South Florida
54 Montori Hughes DL 6'4" 327 Tennessee-Martin
6 John Jenkins DL 6'3" 358 Georgia
83 Cornelius Washington DL 6'4" 268 Georgia

8 Jamie Collins LB 6'1" 228 Southern Miss
25 Zaviar Gooden LB 6'2" 230 Missouri
35 Nico Johnson LB 6'2" 245 Alabama
10 Sean Porter LB 6'2" 230 Texas A&M
44 Chase Thomas LB 6'4" 248 Stanford
1 Vince Williams LB 6'1" 250 Florida State

23 Robert Alford DB 6'0" 185 Southeastern La.
24 Marc Anthony DB 6'0" 200 Cal
29 Sanders Commings DB 6'2" 216 Georgia
37 Robert Lester DB 6'2" 212 Alabama
2 Leon McFadden DB 5'10" 190 San Diego State
18 Bacarri Rambo DB 6'0" 210 Georgia
22 B.W. Webb DB 5'10" 180 William & Mary
19 J.J. Wilcox DB 6'0" 215 Georgia Southern
26 Shawn Williams DB 6'1" 218 Georgia


North Roster
# FIRST LAST POSITION HT WT SCHOOL
7 Zac Dysert QB 6'3" 228 Miami OH
8 Mike Glennon QB 6'5" 232 North Carolina State
12 Ryan Nassib QB 6'2" 228 Syracuse

24 Kenjon Barner RB 5'11" 192 Oregon
23 Johnathan Franklin RB 5'10" 198 UCLA
28 Robbie Rouse RB 5'7" 190 Fresno State

40 Kyle Juszczyk FB 6'3" 240 Harvard

3 Aaron Dobson WR 6'2" 206 Marshall
1 Marquise Goodwin WR 5'9" 177 Texas
83 Chris Harper WR 6'1" 228 Kansas State
33 Aaron Mellette WR 6'4" 220 Elon
16 Denard Robinson WR 5'11" 197 Michigan
2 Markus Wheaton WR 6'0" 182 Oregon State

18 Jack Doyle TE 6'6" 253 Western Kentucky
44 Nick Kasa TE 6'6" 260 Colorado
82 Ryan Otten TE 6'5" 245 San Jose State

52 Braxston Cave OL 6'3" 304 Notre Dame
79 Eric Fisher OL 6'7" 305 Central Michigan
74 Kyle Long OL 6'7" 312 Oregon
70 Joe Madsen OL 6'4" 305 West Virginia
67 Justin Pugh OL 6'5" 297 Syracuse
76 David Quessenberry OL 6'6" 295 San Jose State
72 Hugh Thornton OL 6'4" 310 Illinois
58 Ricky Wagner OL 6'6" 318 Wisconsin
66 Brian Winters OL 6'5" 310 Kent State

13 Quinn Sharp PK 6'1" 205 Oklahoma State

45 Luke Ingram LS 6'6" 235 Hawaii

99 Michael Buchanan DL 6'5" 240 Illinois
96 Margus Hunt DL 6'7" 280 SMU
57 Datone Jones DL 6'4" 275 UCLA
80 Alex Okafor DL 6'5" 265 Texas
97 Jordan Hill DL 6'1" 292 Penn State
93 Kawann Short DL 6'3" 315 Purdue
66 Brandon Williams DL 6'3" 325 Missouri Southern
92 Sylvester Williams DL 6'3" 320 North Carolina

43 Steve Beauharnais LB 6'2" 230 Rutgers
44 Arthur Brown LB 6'1" 228 Kansas State
20 Khaseem Greene LB 6'1" 230 Rutgers
48 Kevin Reddick LB 6'2" 240 North Carolina
54 John Simon LB 6'2" 263 Ohio State
46 Trevardo Williams LB 6'2" 233 Connecticut

37 Jonathan Cyprien DB 6'0" 210 Florida International
17 Will Davis DB 6'0" 186 Utah State
27 Dwayne Gratz DB 6'0" 198 Connecticut
7 TJ McDonald DB 6'2" 205 USC
14 Jordan Poyer DB 5'11" 190 Oregon State
21 Jamar Taylor DB 5'11" 196 Boise State
16 Philip Thomas DB 6'1" 215 Fresno State
6 Desmond Trufant DB 6'0" 186 Washington
4 Duke Williams DB 6'1" 200 Nevada
15 Blidi Wreh-Wilson DB 6'1" 190 Connecticut

KCrockaholic
01-21-2013, 12:05 AM
Update the OP when the official measurables are done tomorrow.


I'm looking forward to watching that DB group.

AussieChiefsFan
01-21-2013, 12:52 AM
Woulda been nice to see Geno play, but still should be good.

Jiu Jitsu Jon
01-21-2013, 02:46 AM
Missouri Southern gets someone on the board but not Missouri State. LOLZ.

Oh, and some guy named Al Saunders is calling offense for the North team.

Wilson8
01-21-2013, 07:44 AM
Senior Bowl practice is on at 3:00 - 4:00 PM CST on the NFL Network.

Wilson8
01-21-2013, 07:48 AM
Also practie being shown Tuesday through Thursday at 1:00 PM. The actual Senior Bowl is on Saturday at 3 PM CST on NFL Network.

Wilson8
01-21-2013, 08:02 AM
Eight offensive players to watch in the Senior Bowl

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Eight-offensive-players-to-watch-in-the-Senior-Bowl.html

Now that the Conference Championship Games are completed and the Super Bowl is right around the corner, the scouting world turns their attention to Mobile, Alabama for this year’s edition of the Senior Bowl. This past weekend all the invited players arrived in Mobile, so that on Monday they can go through the first padded practices in preparation for Saturday’s Senior Bowl Game. More than 1000 NFL personnel will be in Mobile watching every rep of practice closely. Below we give a short synopsis of eight offensive players NFL teams are excited to watch this week.

1. Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (6020, 228 and 5.05): Already rising up draft boards, NFL personnel are excited to see Nassib matched up with the best senior talent in the country. Quick and athletic to avoid pressure, re-set and make accurate throws, Nassib has NFL teams intrigued. After charting out Nassib in five games we consider him to be the best quarterback in the 2013 NFL Draft and worth drafting with the first overall pick, so we are excited to see how he does in Mobile. Blessed with a strong arm, the ball bursts out of his hand and he can make 15+ yard throws with zip even when a defender is about to hit him and he cannot stride into his throw. Having played in the Big East where the defenses are not the same caliber as the SEC and some of the other conferences, NFL teams are interested to see how he does against top defenders. The big thing that Nassib must work on is his deep passing as he tends to put too much air under his throws which forces his receivers to slow up and wait for the ball. This allows the defensive back to close and make a play on the ball. He could be the story of Mobile if he has a strong week and begins climbing up into the high first round

2. Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State (6072, 225 and 5.15 E): Perhaps the quarterback that has NFL evaluators the most split, Glennon gets a chance to prove he should be a first round pick. With a cannon arm and flashes of excellent accuracy, Glennon’s upside is what has many NFL teams excited. However, inconsistent accuracy, production and too many interceptions are a big red flag. A big week could put Glennon in position to be the 1st QB drafted, although we do not rate him as a first rounder. As I spoke to NFL personnel people in recent weeks, many told me that on film Glennon reminds them of Falcons’ QB Matt Ryan when he was at Boston College.

3. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas (6016, 210 and 4.85): A breakout 2011 season had many, including us, expecting Wilson to improve in 2012, finish his career on a high note and challenge to be the first QB selected. However, Wilson had trouble producing at the same level with a new head coach and offensive system. Still an accurate passer with the quick release and arm strength to make every NFL throw, Wilson has all the physical tools except the ideal height to be a high end NFL QB. Breaking down the 2012 film, it looks as though Wilson struggles to consistently read the defense while going through progressions which led to him throwing passes that safeties were consistently able to close and make plays on. A big week could vault Wilson to the top of the QB rankings.

4. Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson (5093, 195 and 4.45 E): A dynamic play-maker with excellent open field running skills, Ellington needs to prove he is worthy of a high draft pick despite his lack of good size. Naturally instinctive with good vision/instincts, he finds creases/holes and has the explosive cutting ability to get to and through it in a flash. Soft, natural hands and good receiving skills make him a valuable receiver from both a running back and slot receiver alignment. In today’s NFL, players who can catch passes and make big plays from different alignments have tremendous value. Ellington needs to show NFL teams that he can be that versatile weapon in order to justify being a second round pick.

5. Denard Robinson, WR, Michigan (6000 E, 196 E and 4.40 E): After an outstanding career as a run first QB at Michigan, Robinson now has to prove he has the hands and receiving skills to make the conversion to receiver and possibly third down back. Even though he lined up as a receiver and running back at times, he did not do it enough to convince teams he can become a starter in the NFL. Additionally, NFL teams want to get a close look at him to try and determine if he has the frame to be a durable NFL player. The big question in my mind is whether Denard will become the next Antwaan Randle-El or Eric Crouch?

6. Vance McDonald, TE, Rice (6050 E, 255 E and 4.65 E): As tight ends like Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham are in more demand, the search for big play, receiving tight ends never ends and McDonald has the physical tools to warrant inclusion in that group. A tall and versatile offensive weapon, McDonald has made big plays catching passes from different alignments. While his offensive production does not compare with some of the top tight ends in the country, his combination of size, athleticism, speed and hands is better than most. This game gives McDonald a similar opportunity to the one that Jimmy Graham had when he came to the Senior Bowl viewed as a raw, but very gifted prospect.

7. Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia (6051, 315 and 5.15 E): Although not one of the big names that the media has been hyping as a first round pick all season, Aboushi comes to Mobile with an opportunity to secure a spot in the opening round. With good height and solid build, Aboushi looks the part of an NFL OT “on the hoof.” When his size combines with his smooth athleticism, good technique and competitiveness, he has all the tools to be a good starting left tackle in the NFL. Additionally, Aboushi brings his “hard hat” to the field every day and displays the take no prisoners attitude that I expect from an OT who grew up in Brooklyn, NY.

8. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan (6071, 297 and 4.95 E): Perhaps the player in position to make the most money at the Senior Bowl, I believe Fisher will play so well that he will secure a spot in the top ten. When Jake Matthews and Taylor Lewan choose to return to school for their senior season, Fisher was given the opportunity to jump up and claim the spot as the number two OT. Possessing excellent height and long arms, Fisher has rare athleticism for a 6’7 OT. He makes it look easy sliding out to protect the corner vs edge rushers, can re-direct and slide in the other direction to handle quick pass rush moves back underneath and is outstanding pulling and adjusting to block out in space. Considered a better OT prospect than former Central Michigan OT Joe Staley, Fisher could lock up a spot in the top ten with a dominating week in Mobile.

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Dayze
01-21-2013, 08:03 AM
Also practie being shown Tuesday through Thursday at 1:00 PM. The actual Senior Bowl is on Saturday at 3 PM CST on NFL Network.

I hope that doesn't conflict with the exciting Pro-Bowl.

Mi_chief_fan
01-21-2013, 08:13 AM
@dpbrugler #texasAM WR Ryan Swope with 8 1/8 hands, smallest of WR group. #Michigan WR Denard Robinson the biggest at 10.

KCrockaholic
01-21-2013, 08:13 AM
Tyler Wilson IS indeed 6'2.

htismaqe
01-21-2013, 08:47 AM
Given his size and skill set, I'm surprised more people aren't talking about EJ Manuel.

He fits the "flavor of the week" profile like a glove.

ChiefMojo
01-21-2013, 09:12 AM
Here are the South measurements.

http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/articles/867/South_Player_Measurements.jsp


Here are the North measurements.

http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/articles/864/North_Roster.jsp

Mi_chief_fan
01-21-2013, 09:18 AM
Wow, Fluker is 6-4, 355?

KChiefs1
01-21-2013, 03:49 PM
Woulda been nice to see Geno play, but still should be good.

Geno is gutless.

KChiefs1
01-21-2013, 03:51 PM
Nassib is my favorite.

DaKCMan AP
01-21-2013, 04:35 PM
Given his size and skill set, I'm surprised more people aren't talking about EJ Manuel.

He fits the "flavor of the week" profile like a glove.

Because he's a terrible QB. He's big and can run. That's about it. Worse than Terrell Pryor, and Terrell Pryor is dogshit.

DaKCMan AP
01-21-2013, 04:40 PM
DaKCMan AP's Senior Bowl Watch List (I purposefully left off OL... watch 'em all)

8 Tyler Wilson QB 6'2" 218 Arkansas
33 Stepfan Taylor RB 5'11" 215 Stanford (I like other RBs but they'll be drafted earlier than we need to spend a pick on RB)
11 Cobi Hamilton WR 6'2" 209 Arkansas
4 Quinton Patton WR 6'2" 195 Louisiana Tech
25 Ryan Swope WR 6'0" 206 Texas A&M
2 Terrance Williams WR 6'2" 205 Baylor
81 Mychal Rivera TE 6'3" 244 Tennessee
35 Nico Johnson LB 6'2" 245 Alabama
10 Sean Porter LB 6'2" 230 Texas A&M
44 Chase Thomas LB 6'4" 248 Stanford
1 Vince Williams LB 6'1" 250 Florida State
29 Sanders Commings DB 6'2" 216 Georgia
37 Robert Lester DB 6'2" 212 Alabama
2 Leon McFadden DB 5'10" 190 San Diego State
18 Bacarri Rambo DB 6'0" 210 Georgia

7 Zac Dysert QB 6'3" 228 Miami OH
12 Ryan Nassib QB 6'2" 228 Syracuse (not a fan from what I've seen of Nassib.. but I'll watch again)
16 Denard Robinson WR 5'11" 197 Michigan
93 Kawann Short DL 6'3" 315 Purdue
92 Sylvester Williams DL 6'3" 320 North Carolina
48 Kevin Reddick LB 6'2" 240 North Carolina
7 TJ McDonald DB 6'2" 205 USC
14 Jordan Poyer DB 5'11" 190 Oregon State
21 Jamar Taylor DB 5'11" 196 Boise State
6 Desmond Trufant DB 6'0" 186 Washington
4 Duke Williams DB 6'1" 200 Nevada

O.city
01-21-2013, 04:43 PM
My thing with Nassib, is that he didn't start to really become successful this year and win games, until they made him into a game manager.

farmerchief
01-21-2013, 04:56 PM
Thinking maybe Zac Dysert will be a QB with some value and good upside, just don't know what round he will be drafted? Will be interested in seeing him play,,,

Detoxing
01-21-2013, 05:09 PM
What round is Cobi Hamilton projected to go in?

O.city
01-21-2013, 05:11 PM
What round is Cobi Hamilton projected to go in?

He measured really small today, also read he didn't have a good day.


Not sure where he's projected.

RunKC
01-21-2013, 05:18 PM
Chiefs visited with 3 players today:

LB Zavier Gooden
LB Vince Williams
OT Xavier Nixon

Interesting

RunKC
01-21-2013, 05:25 PM
Zaviar Gooden

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Uy6zt1-4Wgo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Vince Williams -this kid looks really good

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jIlUZg3Li-Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Xavier Nixon- 6'6" 315 lbs looks like we're going with the big guys on the OL

http://draftbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/NixonXavier_090912_6953_TCasey-239x300.jpg

O.city
01-21-2013, 05:32 PM
IIRC, Gooden would be an OLB?

RunKC
01-21-2013, 05:37 PM
IIRC, Gooden would be an OLB?

No idea but Vince Williams looks awesome. Not sure what round he will go in though.

O.city
01-21-2013, 05:46 PM
I can't find anything on Vince Williams.

the Talking Can
01-21-2013, 05:51 PM
what do people think about swope?

is he a jordy nelson type talent or just a guy?

Tribal Warfare
01-21-2013, 06:23 PM
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2013weighin.php

N.C. State quarterback Mike Glennon (6-6, 220) is extremely thin and undefined. People have made fun of Peyton Manning for a less-than-impressive body over the years, so Glennon doesn't exactly need to be a specimen. However he could use some more muscle on his frame to protect himself from injury. Glennon looks like he's put in a concerted effort to avoid the weight room.

CaliforniaChief
01-21-2013, 06:24 PM
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2013weighin.php

N.C. State quarterback Mike Glennon (6-6, 220) is extremely thin and undefined. People have made fun of Peyton Manning for a less-than-impressive body over the years, so Glennon doesn't exactly need to be a specimen. However he could use some more muscle on his frame to protect himself from injury. Glennon looks like he's put in a concerted effort to avoid the weight room.

Short of a UNICEF reference, that's pretty cold. LMAO

O.city
01-21-2013, 06:30 PM
what do people think about swope?

is he a jordy nelson type talent or just a guy?

JAG


No thanks. We have enough of those.

Dave Lane
01-21-2013, 06:41 PM
Wow didn't know Glennon was only 4 foot 6" without his neck. Thats interesting.

Dave Lane
01-21-2013, 06:44 PM
Geno is gutless.

RGIII too.

RustShack
01-21-2013, 07:10 PM
Bummed AJ Klein turned down his invite to play here, and that Jake Knott is still rehabbing his shoulder.

Rambozo
01-21-2013, 07:36 PM
RGIII too.

No, he wasn't elidgible.

http://www.redskinshogheaven.com/2012-articles/january/no-luck-for-mike-shanahan-in-senior-bowl-dumb-rule-prevails.html

Rambozo
01-21-2013, 07:36 PM
Bummed AJ Klein turned down his invite to play here, and that Jake Knott is still rehabbing his shoulder.

Klein was badass in the east-west shrine game. He was the second best player there...

Canofbier
01-21-2013, 08:26 PM
Short of a UNICEF reference, that's pretty cold. LMAO

Haha, I thought the same thing.

DA_T_84
01-21-2013, 10:05 PM
Chiefs visited with 3 players today:

LB Zavier Gooden
LB Vince Williams
OT Xavier Nixon

Interesting

Glad I saw this. I updated the Workout/Met thread with this. Thanks!

If you happen to catch any other interviews we have this week, do me a favor and throw them in there as well, and I'll add 'em to the list.

Chiefnj2
01-22-2013, 06:55 AM
Nfl.coms recap show sucks. 15 min of commercials and a 5 minute interview with Arians. Show the prospects!

htismaqe
01-22-2013, 08:23 AM
Nfl.coms recap show sucks. 15 min of commercials and a 5 minute interview with Arians. Show the prospects!

Yeah, NFLN has become mostly commercials and teasers. Very little actual content.

WayneBowe
01-22-2013, 10:33 AM
BJ Kissel ‏@bkissel7
A bad picture of Reid & Dorsey. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBOo5w0CQAAnTWD.jpg:large

RunKC
01-22-2013, 06:39 PM
Chiefs meet with North Carolina DT Sylvester Williams and Colorado TE Nick Kasa.

NFL Network said we also paid really close attention to John Jenkins too.

Good to see they are scouting the big uglies. I think our DL needs so much work.

O.city
01-22-2013, 07:02 PM
Where is Williams projected to go?

Rambozo
01-22-2013, 08:42 PM
Obviously you can't see everything when you watch these practices but, they usually show some good stuff. There is no where to hide in the one on one drills and they are what I invest the most in. Keep in mind this only what I see and I'm no expert LOL


North Practice #1 (January 21, 2013)

Pre-practice Notes

Mayock and Charles Davis called out Geno Smith, Montee Ball, and Kenny Vaccaro for skipping the Senior Bowl. None of them are injured so he felt like they should have all been there. All of the other top senior QBs, RBs, and S were there. Mayock said Geno was mistaken if he thinks he is a top 10 lock right now. For what it's worth, Charles Davis concurred and said he sat next to a high ranking executive on his flight to Mobile who said the exact same thing.

Offense

Mike Glennon, QB, NC State looked great throwing the ball. He definately looked the best out the bunch. His throwing motion, footwork, and form are perfect. He throws tight spirals. He can throw a 30 yard pass across the field from the back hash on a dime in drills. He had the best control of the huddle and he was also the tallest guy in the huddle (including the o-linemen). He is sneaky elusive like in the pocket and looks almost exactly like Flacco when he is playing. When he is just walking around and getting a cup of water, he looks really awkward. He makes me think of Big Bird and doesn't look like an athlete at all. The thing is that he's really inconsistant. He overthrew a wide open WR by like ten yards and it was picked. He seems like he's kind of a spaz back there and he panics a little. He seemed very stressed out and maybe he just had the first day jitters. Mayock thinks he's a combination of Joe Flacco and Ryan Mallet. When I just watch him in the pocket, I agree with that but, when I watch where the ball goes, he's not even close to those guys. He's not calm like Flacco and you can see it when you watch his passes. It seems like this would be hard to fix. Again, maybe he was just nervous.

Mayock compared Nassib, QB, Syracuse to Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Said he was more athletic than you would think. He said he expects his stock to rise in the next few months. They didn't show much of him or Dysert, QB, Miami of Ohio. He did commend both of them for playing well in the big games. He said USC was to big of a game for Syracuse but, it wasn't for Nassib. Said he stood in there and played tough. He said the same thing about Dysert vs. Ohio State. Hopefully they will show more of them in the other practices...

Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State seemed to catch evrything with his body. He can get open and runs great routes but, I worry about the catching.

Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall is big at 6'2" and kind of looks like Bowe out there. He's not the fastest guy in the world but he caught the ball with his hands and ran good routes.

Chris Harper, WR, Kansas State looks like a RB playing WR. He's like 6'1 228 lbs. Like Wheaton, he caught the ball with his body and ran kind of sloppy routes.

Maquize Goodwin, WR, Texas is 5'9" and weighs 177 lbs. I guess he ran track for the Olympic team and finished 10th in his event. He is blazing fast and I mean he has elite speed. He out ran one of Glennon's passes and Glennon has a really strong arm. He was quick off the line and gets open consistantly on go routes. He caught the ball confidently with his hands. He might be toast if a CB got their hands on him but, that didn't happen. I hope to see him as a returner and I have a feeling he could be a stud there. He reminds me of Jerome Lewis that used to play for the Ravens. He might be able to play a part time slot role like TY Hilton does for Indy...

I didn't see Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon or Denard Robinson, WR/QB, Michigan at all.

Honestly, I was more impressed with some of the WRs I watched in the East-West Shrine Game than this bunch.

Kyle Long, OT, Oregon stand 6'7 and weighs 312 lbs. He's a monster and is Howie Long's son. He really struggled against everyone at OT. When they moved him to guard, he was great. He can get up quick for such a big guy. He just doesn't have the best feet. I think he will definately be a guard in the pros.

Hugh Thorton, OG, Illinois had a bad day. He got whipped every time they showed him.

Robbie Rouse, RB, Fresno State stands 5'7" and weighs 195 lbs. He's a rock and looks like a minature version of MJD if you can imagine that. He is quick, agile, and cuts extremely well. He also excels at catching balls out the backfield. I liked him. He's a lot like Utah State running back Kerwin Williams who played at the East-West Shrine Game. It's close but, I like Williams a little better because he can block.

They didn't show much of the TEs...




Defense

John Simon, MLB, Ohio State was really the only LBer that they showed. He has a high motor, is a tough guy, and a solid tackler. He struggles in coverage and would probably be about like Belcher was. He's strong as hell and had really good push in one on one drills with the o-linemen. He kind of reminds me of Zach Thomas. He is a little taller than Thomas but he plays just like him. He would fit our system perfectly and has some potential imo.

Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State is a smaller type of corner at 5'11" and 196 lbs. He's a scrappy little guy and I liked that. He seems to play a little too far off of receivers and his back peddle wasn't clean. His feet are a big red flag imo. He doesn't have fast feet. Maybe he just had a bad day but he struggled out there.

Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State is a smaller guy like Taylor. Mayock was high on this guy and liked him as a playmaker. He held on every play and I wasn't impressed. He would have been penalized if it were a game.


Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington played with a lot of swagger. He definately has a mouth. He looks like a slightly taller version of Terrance Newman out there. He plays very fast and had really tight coverage. Like Poyer, he had his hands all over people which made me a little nervous. He would have been called for pass interference. I think he will come around and I really liked him. He really stood out in a good way. He's very fast and we might be able to get him like we got Flowers in the second round. IF, he doesn't sneak into the first.

Note that Mayock said all of these guys were best when giving a push at the line. They didn't do any of that in the practice.

Phillp , S, Fresno State is a big boy. He stands 6'1 and weighs 215 lbs. but, he looks and plays bigger than that imo. I think he could play either safety position. He struggled a little in man coverage and wasn't as quick as I would have liked but, he is a safety after all. He does seem to have good straight line speed but, he struggled with cuts. He looks like he could knock the shit out of people but, we'll see. I liked him. As a side note, Mayock talked about TJ McDonald's dad coaching him at Fresno State as the secondary coach. I thought that was interesting.

Duke Williams, S, Nevada really got exposed. He looks like a big safety but, he just can't seem to get his head around and would have been called for pass interference a couple of times. He struggled bigtime in man coverage against the running backs.

Alex Okafor, DE, Texas was a stud. He really looked good on the one on one drills and has a high motor.

Datone Jones, DE, UCLA was the fastest DE of the bunch. He is extremely fast off the line and was the best speed rusher. He is 6'4" and weighs 275 lbs. He looks like a poor man's JPP.

Kewann Short, DT, Purdue looked really good. He had a high motor and probably had the most push out of everyone. He is really strong and the first round seems possible. I bet he could play DE in the 3-4.

Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern had a great day. He is almost an exact clone of Short. He's also strong and gets a lot of push. He's a bit raw but, will be a baller imo.

The Good

Eric Fischer, OT, Central Michigan weighs 307 lbs. and stands 6'7". He was a man among boys. The only comparison I think of is the year Von Miller went to the Senior Bowl. It was that obvious. Mayock compared him to Joe Staley but, I think he's better. He had the best footwork I have seen in a prospect in years and his form was impeccable. He completely dominated everyone. He is so clean looking out there that it's crazy. He reminds me of Tony Boselli. He's a top 10 lock imo.

The Bad

I liked Margus Hunt, DE, SMU going into this thing but, let me tell you, he was horrible. He looks like a perfect fit for our defense but, he can't beat one blocker let alone occupy two. He was really just out of his league. You could tell he hasn't played long and he was pancaked on one on one drills twice.... it was that bad...

Nick Cave, C, Notre Dame was another guy I really liked going into this. He was the worst o-linemen by a mile. He only played center and had no push at all. He got knocked on his back twice. Short and Williams just embarrassed him.

Maybe they will do better as the week goes on...

Suprise Players

David Quessenberry, C/G, San Jose State is big at 6'6" 295 lbs. He was kicking ass all day at both center and guard. He pancaked Hunt, Jones, and Buchanan. This guy is the real deal and he held his own against everyone. His stock went up for sure.

Brian Winter, OT, Kent State stands 6'5" and weighs 310 lbs. He was my favorite player of the day. He is mean, nasty, and he has a bad attitude. He just let it all hang out and he didn't seem to care about making friends. He ripped William's helmet off and absolutely owned him. He stood his ground with everyone and didn't seem to give a shit what the scouts thought about him. He looks like he hasn't shaved in a week and is just an old school player. He reminds me of John Runyan. He's got a serious mean streak and I love this guy. I think Reid will too. His stock went way up imo.

Plays of the Day

TJ McDonald, S, USC had a really nice pick. He covered a lot of ground and made a diving pick off of the pass that Glennon overthrew. That's really the only time I saw him. Maybe we will see more of him tomorrow. Mayock noted that his dad is the former 49er Tim McDonald so he comes from good stock. There are a ton of former players kids in this class. It's really pretty crazy.

Duke Williams, S, Nevada got smoked by Kyle Juszczyck, FB, Harvard on a one on one coverage drill. he got mad and chased him down and punched the ball out of his hands from behind causing a fumble on the 2 yard line. LOL

I'll try and post another report tommorrow.

bevischief
01-23-2013, 10:48 AM
Obviously you can't see everything when you watch these practices but, they usually show some good stuff. There is no where to hide in the one on one drills and they are what I invest the most in. Keep in mind this only what I see and I'm no expert LOL


North Practice #1 (January 21, 2013)

Pre-practice Notes

Mayock and Charles Davis called out Geno Smith, Montee Ball, and Kenny Vaccaro for skipping the Senior Bowl. None of them are injured so he felt like they should have all been there. All of the other top senior QBs, RBs, and S were there. Mayock said Geno was mistaken if he thinks he is a top 10 lock right now. For what it's worth, Charles Davis concurred and said he sat next to a high ranking executive on his flight to Mobile who said the exact same thing.

Offense

Mike Glennon, QB, NC State looked great throwing the ball. He definately looked the best out the bunch. His throwing motion, footwork, and form are perfect. He throws tight spirals. He can throw a 30 yard pass across the field from the back hash on a dime in drills. He had the best control of the huddle and he was also the tallest guy in the huddle (including the o-linemen). He is sneaky elusive like in the pocket and looks almost exactly like Flacco when he is playing. When he is just walking around and getting a cup of water, he looks really awkward. He makes me think of Big Bird and doesn't look like an athlete at all. The thing is that he's really inconsistant. He overthrew a wide open WR by like ten yards and it was picked. He seems like he's kind of a spaz back there and he panics a little. He seemed very stressed out and maybe he just had the first day jitters. Mayock thinks he's a combination of Joe Flacco and Ryan Mallet. When I just watch him in the pocket, I agree with that but, when I watch where the ball goes, he's not even close to those guys. He's not calm like Flacco and you can see it when you watch his passes. It seems like this would be hard to fix. Again, maybe he was just nervous.

Mayock compared Nassib, QB, Syracuse to Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Said he was more athletic than you would think. He said he expects his stock to rise in the next few months. They didn't show much of him or Dysert, QB, Miami of Ohio. He did commend both of them for playing well in the big games. He said USC was to big of a game for Syracuse but, it wasn't for Nassib. Said he stood in there and played tough. He said the same thing about Dysert vs. Ohio State. Hopefully they will show more of them in the other practices...

Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State seemed to catch evrything with his body. He can get open and runs great routes but, I worry about the catching.

Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall is big at 6'2" and kind of looks like Bowe out there. He's not the fastest guy in the world but he caught the ball with his hands and ran good routes.

Chris Harper, WR, Kansas State looks like a RB playing WR. He's like 6'1 228 lbs. Like Wheaton, he caught the ball with his body and ran kind of sloppy routes.

Maquize Goodwin, WR, Texas is 5'9" and weighs 177 lbs. I guess he ran track for the Olympic team and finished 10th in his event. He is blazing fast and I mean he has elite speed. He out ran one of Glennon's passes and Glennon has a really strong arm. He was quick off the line and gets open consistantly on go routes. He caught the ball confidently with his hands. He might be toast if a CB got their hands on him but, that didn't happen. I hope to see him as a returner and I have a feeling he could be a stud there. He reminds me of Jerome Lewis that used to play for the Ravens. He might be able to play a part time slot role like TY Hilton does for Indy...

I didn't see Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon or Denard Robinson, WR/QB, Michigan at all.

Honestly, I was more impressed with some of the WRs I watched in the East-West Shrine Game than this bunch.

Kyle Long, OT, Oregon stand 6'7 and weighs 312 lbs. He's a monster and is Howie Long's son. He really struggled against everyone at OT. When they moved him to guard, he was great. He can get up quick for such a big guy. He just doesn't have the best feet. I think he will definately be a guard in the pros.

Hugh Thorton, OG, Illinois had a bad day. He got whipped every time they showed him.

Robbie Rouse, RB, Fresno State stands 5'7" and weighs 195 lbs. He's a rock and looks like a minature version of MJD if you can imagine that. He is quick, agile, and cuts extremely well. He also excels at catching balls out the backfield. I liked him. He's a lot like Utah State running back Kerwin Williams who played at the East-West Shrine Game. It's close but, I like Williams a little better because he can block.

They didn't show much of the TEs...




Defense

John Simon, MLB, Ohio State was really the only LBer that they showed. He has a high motor, is a tough guy, and a solid tackler. He struggles in coverage and would probably be about like Belcher was. He's strong as hell and had really good push in one on one drills with the o-linemen. He kind of reminds me of Zach Thomas. He is a little taller than Thomas but he plays just like him. He would fit our system perfectly and has some potential imo.

Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State is a smaller type of corner at 5'11" and 196 lbs. He's a scrappy little guy and I liked that. He seems to play a little too far off of receivers and his back peddle wasn't clean. His feet are a big red flag imo. He doesn't have fast feet. Maybe he just had a bad day but he struggled out there.

Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State is a smaller guy like Taylor. Mayock was high on this guy and liked him as a playmaker. He held on every play and I wasn't impressed. He would have been penalized if it were a game.


Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington played with a lot of swagger. He definately has a mouth. He looks like a slightly taller version of Terrance Newman out there. He plays very fast and had really tight coverage. Like Poyer, he had his hands all over people which made me a little nervous. He would have been called for pass interference. I think he will come around and I really liked him. He really stood out in a good way. He's very fast and we might be able to get him like we got Flowers in the second round. IF, he doesn't sneak into the first.

Note that Mayock said all of these guys were best when giving a push at the line. They didn't do any of that in the practice.

Phillp , S, Fresno State is a big boy. He stands 6'1 and weighs 215 lbs. but, he looks and plays bigger than that imo. I think he could play either safety position. He struggled a little in man coverage and wasn't as quick as I would have liked but, he is a safety after all. He does seem to have good straight line speed but, he struggled with cuts. He looks like he could knock the shit out of people but, we'll see. I liked him. As a side note, Mayock talked about TJ McDonald's dad coaching him at Fresno State as the secondary coach. I thought that was interesting.

Duke Williams, S, Nevada really got exposed. He looks like a big safety but, he just can't seem to get his head around and would have been called for pass interference a couple of times. He struggled bigtime in man coverage against the running backs.

Alex Okafor, DE, Texas was a stud. He really looked good on the one on one drills and has a high motor.

Datone Jones, DE, UCLA was the fastest DE of the bunch. He is extremely fast off the line and was the best speed rusher. He is 6'4" and weighs 275 lbs. He looks like a poor man's JPP.

Kewann Short, DT, Purdue looked really good. He had a high motor and probably had the most push out of everyone. He is really strong and the first round seems possible. I bet he could play DE in the 3-4.

Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern had a great day. He is almost an exact clone of Short. He's also strong and gets a lot of push. He's a bit raw but, will be a baller imo.

The Good

Eric Fischer, OT, Central Michigan weighs 307 lbs. and stands 6'7". He was a man among boys. The only comparison I think of is the year Von Miller went to the Senior Bowl. It was that obvious. Mayock compared him to Joe Staley but, I think he's better. He had the best footwork I have seen in a prospect in years and his form was impeccable. He completely dominated everyone. He is so clean looking out there that it's crazy. He reminds me of Tony Boselli. He's a top 10 lock imo.

The Bad

I liked Margus Hunt, DE, SMU going into this thing but, let me tell you, he was horrible. He looks like a perfect fit for our defense but, he can't beat one blocker let alone occupy two. He was really just out of his league. You could tell he hasn't played long and he was pancaked on one on one drills twice.... it was that bad...

Nick Cave, C, Notre Dame was another guy I really liked going into this. He was the worst o-linemen by a mile. He only played center and had no push at all. He got knocked on his back twice. Short and Williams just embarrassed him.

Maybe they will do better as the week goes on...

Suprise Players

David Quessenberry, C/G, San Jose State is big at 6'6" 295 lbs. He was kicking ass all day at both center and guard. He pancaked Hunt, Jones, and Buchanan. This guy is the real deal and he held his own against everyone. His stock went up for sure.

Brian Winter, OT, Kent State stands 6'5" and weighs 310 lbs. He was my favorite player of the day. He is mean, nasty, and he has a bad attitude. He just let it all hang out and he didn't seem to care about making friends. He ripped William's helmet off and absolutely owned him. He stood his ground with everyone and didn't seem to give a shit what the scouts thought about him. He looks like he hasn't shaved in a week and is just an old school player. He reminds me of John Runyan. He's got a serious mean streak and I love this guy. I think Reid will too. His stock went way up imo.

Plays of the Day

TJ McDonald, S, USC had a really nice pick. He covered a lot of ground and made a diving pick off of the pass that Glennon overthrew. That's really the only time I saw him. Maybe we will see more of him tomorrow. Mayock noted that his dad is the former 49er Tim McDonald so he comes from good stock. There are a ton of former players kids in this class. It's really pretty crazy.

Duke Williams, S, Nevada got smoked by Kyle Juszczyck, FB, Harvard on a one on one coverage drill. he got mad and chased him down and punched the ball out of his hands from behind causing a fumble on the 2 yard line. LOL

I'll try and post another report tommorrow.


You need to post the link as well. Thanks for the update.

Pestilence
01-23-2013, 10:58 AM
You need to post the link as well. Thanks for the update.

It's not an article. It's his own take from watching the practices.

Pestilence
01-23-2013, 10:59 AM
Who the fuck is Nick Cave from Notre Dame? I'm assuming that you mean Braxston Cave.

htismaqe
01-23-2013, 11:10 AM
Who the fuck is Nick Cave from Notre Dame? I'm assuming that you mean Braxston Cave.

I loved that dude in "Raising Arizona".

Frosty
01-23-2013, 11:15 AM
Who the **** is Nick Cave from Notre Dame? I'm assuming that you mean Braxston Cave.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Nick_Cave_2009_New_York_City_2.jpg/220px-Nick_Cave_2009_New_York_City_2.jpg

"The Mercy Seat" is a pretty good song.

Frosty
01-23-2013, 11:17 AM
BTW, Bobbozo, I have seen almost all of Wheaton's games and he is most definitely not a body catcher. I have no idea where you got that from.

Fat Elvis
01-23-2013, 11:32 AM
Obviously you can't see everything when you watch these practices but, they usually show some good stuff. There is no where to hide in the one on one drills and they are what I invest the most in. Keep in mind this only what I see and I'm no expert LOL


North Practice #1 (January 21, 2013)

Pre-practice Notes

Mayock and Charles Davis called out Geno Smith, Montee Ball, and Kenny Vaccaro for skipping the Senior Bowl. None of them are injured so he felt like they should have all been there. All of the other top senior QBs, RBs, and S were there. Mayock said Geno was mistaken if he thinks he is a top 10 lock right now. For what it's worth, Charles Davis concurred and said he sat next to a high ranking executive on his flight to Mobile who said the exact same thing.

Offense

Mike Glennon, QB, NC State looked great throwing the ball. He definately looked the best out the bunch. His throwing motion, footwork, and form are perfect. He throws tight spirals. He can throw a 30 yard pass across the field from the back hash on a dime in drills. He had the best control of the huddle and he was also the tallest guy in the huddle (including the o-linemen). He is sneaky elusive like in the pocket and looks almost exactly like Flacco when he is playing. When he is just walking around and getting a cup of water, he looks really awkward. He makes me think of Big Bird and doesn't look like an athlete at all. The thing is that he's really inconsistant. He overthrew a wide open WR by like ten yards and it was picked. He seems like he's kind of a spaz back there and he panics a little. He seemed very stressed out and maybe he just had the first day jitters. Mayock thinks he's a combination of Joe Flacco and Ryan Mallet. When I just watch him in the pocket, I agree with that but, when I watch where the ball goes, he's not even close to those guys. He's not calm like Flacco and you can see it when you watch his passes. It seems like this would be hard to fix. Again, maybe he was just nervous.

Mayock compared Nassib, QB, Syracuse to Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Said he was more athletic than you would think. He said he expects his stock to rise in the next few months. They didn't show much of him or Dysert, QB, Miami of Ohio. He did commend both of them for playing well in the big games. He said USC was to big of a game for Syracuse but, it wasn't for Nassib. Said he stood in there and played tough. He said the same thing about Dysert vs. Ohio State. Hopefully they will show more of them in the other practices...

Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State seemed to catch evrything with his body. He can get open and runs great routes but, I worry about the catching.

Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall is big at 6'2" and kind of looks like Bowe out there. He's not the fastest guy in the world but he caught the ball with his hands and ran good routes.

Chris Harper, WR, Kansas State looks like a RB playing WR. He's like 6'1 228 lbs. Like Wheaton, he caught the ball with his body and ran kind of sloppy routes.

Maquize Goodwin, WR, Texas is 5'9" and weighs 177 lbs. I guess he ran track for the Olympic team and finished 10th in his event. He is blazing fast and I mean he has elite speed. He out ran one of Glennon's passes and Glennon has a really strong arm. He was quick off the line and gets open consistantly on go routes. He caught the ball confidently with his hands. He might be toast if a CB got their hands on him but, that didn't happen. I hope to see him as a returner and I have a feeling he could be a stud there. He reminds me of Jerome Lewis that used to play for the Ravens. He might be able to play a part time slot role like TY Hilton does for Indy...

I didn't see Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon or Denard Robinson, WR/QB, Michigan at all.

Honestly, I was more impressed with some of the WRs I watched in the East-West Shrine Game than this bunch.

Kyle Long, OT, Oregon stand 6'7 and weighs 312 lbs. He's a monster and is Howie Long's son. He really struggled against everyone at OT. When they moved him to guard, he was great. He can get up quick for such a big guy. He just doesn't have the best feet. I think he will definately be a guard in the pros.

Hugh Thorton, OG, Illinois had a bad day. He got whipped every time they showed him.

Robbie Rouse, RB, Fresno State stands 5'7" and weighs 195 lbs. He's a rock and looks like a minature version of MJD if you can imagine that. He is quick, agile, and cuts extremely well. He also excels at catching balls out the backfield. I liked him. He's a lot like Utah State running back Kerwin Williams who played at the East-West Shrine Game. It's close but, I like Williams a little better because he can block.

They didn't show much of the TEs...




Defense

John Simon, MLB, Ohio State was really the only LBer that they showed. He has a high motor, is a tough guy, and a solid tackler. He struggles in coverage and would probably be about like Belcher was. He's strong as hell and had really good push in one on one drills with the o-linemen. He kind of reminds me of Zach Thomas. He is a little taller than Thomas but he plays just like him. He would fit our system perfectly and has some potential imo.

Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State is a smaller type of corner at 5'11" and 196 lbs. He's a scrappy little guy and I liked that. He seems to play a little too far off of receivers and his back peddle wasn't clean. His feet are a big red flag imo. He doesn't have fast feet. Maybe he just had a bad day but he struggled out there.

Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State is a smaller guy like Taylor. Mayock was high on this guy and liked him as a playmaker. He held on every play and I wasn't impressed. He would have been penalized if it were a game.


Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington played with a lot of swagger. He definately has a mouth. He looks like a slightly taller version of Terrance Newman out there. He plays very fast and had really tight coverage. Like Poyer, he had his hands all over people which made me a little nervous. He would have been called for pass interference. I think he will come around and I really liked him. He really stood out in a good way. He's very fast and we might be able to get him like we got Flowers in the second round. IF, he doesn't sneak into the first.

Note that Mayock said all of these guys were best when giving a push at the line. They didn't do any of that in the practice.

Phillp , S, Fresno State is a big boy. He stands 6'1 and weighs 215 lbs. but, he looks and plays bigger than that imo. I think he could play either safety position. He struggled a little in man coverage and wasn't as quick as I would have liked but, he is a safety after all. He does seem to have good straight line speed but, he struggled with cuts. He looks like he could knock the shit out of people but, we'll see. I liked him. As a side note, Mayock talked about TJ McDonald's dad coaching him at Fresno State as the secondary coach. I thought that was interesting.

Duke Williams, S, Nevada really got exposed. He looks like a big safety but, he just can't seem to get his head around and would have been called for pass interference a couple of times. He struggled bigtime in man coverage against the running backs.

Alex Okafor, DE, Texas was a stud. He really looked good on the one on one drills and has a high motor.

Datone Jones, DE, UCLA was the fastest DE of the bunch. He is extremely fast off the line and was the best speed rusher. He is 6'4" and weighs 275 lbs. He looks like a poor man's JPP.

Kewann Short, DT, Purdue looked really good. He had a high motor and probably had the most push out of everyone. He is really strong and the first round seems possible. I bet he could play DE in the 3-4.

Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern had a great day. He is almost an exact clone of Short. He's also strong and gets a lot of push. He's a bit raw but, will be a baller imo.

The Good

Eric Fischer, OT, Central Michigan weighs 307 lbs. and stands 6'7". He was a man among boys. The only comparison I think of is the year Von Miller went to the Senior Bowl. It was that obvious. Mayock compared him to Joe Staley but, I think he's better. He had the best footwork I have seen in a prospect in years and his form was impeccable. He completely dominated everyone. He is so clean looking out there that it's crazy. He reminds me of Tony Boselli. He's a top 10 lock imo.

The Bad

I liked Margus Hunt, DE, SMU going into this thing but, let me tell you, he was horrible. He looks like a perfect fit for our defense but, he can't beat one blocker let alone occupy two. He was really just out of his league. You could tell he hasn't played long and he was pancaked on one on one drills twice.... it was that bad...

Nick Cave, C, Notre Dame was another guy I really liked going into this. He was the worst o-linemen by a mile. He only played center and had no push at all. He got knocked on his back twice. Short and Williams just embarrassed him.

Maybe they will do better as the week goes on...

Suprise Players

David Quessenberry, C/G, San Jose State is big at 6'6" 295 lbs. He was kicking ass all day at both center and guard. He pancaked Hunt, Jones, and Buchanan. This guy is the real deal and he held his own against everyone. His stock went up for sure.

Brian Winter, OT, Kent State stands 6'5" and weighs 310 lbs. He was my favorite player of the day. He is mean, nasty, and he has a bad attitude. He just let it all hang out and he didn't seem to care about making friends. He ripped William's helmet off and absolutely owned him. He stood his ground with everyone and didn't seem to give a shit what the scouts thought about him. He looks like he hasn't shaved in a week and is just an old school player. He reminds me of John Runyan. He's got a serious mean streak and I love this guy. I think Reid will too. His stock went way up imo.

Plays of the Day

TJ McDonald, S, USC had a really nice pick. He covered a lot of ground and made a diving pick off of the pass that Glennon overthrew. That's really the only time I saw him. Maybe we will see more of him tomorrow. Mayock noted that his dad is the former 49er Tim McDonald so he comes from good stock. There are a ton of former players kids in this class. It's really pretty crazy.

Duke Williams, S, Nevada got smoked by Kyle Juszczyck, FB, Harvard on a one on one coverage drill. he got mad and chased him down and punched the ball out of his hands from behind causing a fumble on the 2 yard line. LOL

I'll try and post another report tommorrow.

nice job noob

Frosty
01-23-2013, 01:29 PM
One guy that I've been really impressed with Datone Jones out of UCLA. He's been simply owning any of the linemen he's been facing in practice and has an extremely quick first step.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/22/3904868/scouting-report-datone-jones

The problem is that the Chiefs would have to take him with their 2nd (assuming he makes it past Baltimore or New England) and the Chiefs probably have bigger needs at that point than a pass rushing DE (though they have jack and shit in the department currently).

Sorter
01-23-2013, 01:31 PM
One guy that I've been really impressed with Datone Jones out of UCLA. He's been simply owning any of the linemen he's been facing in practice and has an extremely quick first step.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/1/22/3904868/scouting-report-datone-jones

The problem is that the Chiefs would have to take him with their 2nd (assuming he makes it past Baltimore or New England) and the Chiefs probably have bigger needs at that point than a pass rushing DE (though they have jack and shit in the department currently).

Is he big enough to play the 3/5tech?

Pestilence
01-23-2013, 01:34 PM
Is he big enough to play the 3/5tech?

6'4" 280

Frosty
01-23-2013, 01:38 PM
6'4" 280

Plus everyone is saying he should be able to add 10 - 20 pounds of muscle.

RunKC
01-23-2013, 01:42 PM
There's so much DL talent early. I think we're going to take one in the 2nd round. Sylvester Williams is a guy I would love at 34.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 02:30 PM
6'4" 280

Plus everyone is saying he should be able to add 10 - 20 pounds of muscle.


Fuck. Yes.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 02:30 PM
Have they listed his arm length per chance?

Frosty
01-23-2013, 02:38 PM
Have they listed his arm length per chance?

32 1/8"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1631952

Sorter
01-23-2013, 02:41 PM
32 1/8"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1631952

Solid.

. Would be crazy if he, Floyd, Rhodes, and Austin were all still on the board when we pick at 34.

Nightfyre
01-23-2013, 02:47 PM
Evidently we have some scouts at the Senior Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/photos/0ap1000000129598/0ap2000000129822

O.city
01-23-2013, 02:49 PM
Solid.

. Would be crazy if he, Floyd, Rhodes, and Austin were all still on the board when we pick at 34.

What would be even crazier is if one of those were available when we pick in the 3rd round.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 02:51 PM
What would be even crazier is if one of those were available when we pick in the 3rd round.

I think then it would be a no-brainer. If they are all available in the 2nd or 3rd, there are going to be some fun discussions going on in the KC War Room.

O.city
01-23-2013, 02:52 PM
I think in the second, you probably take the best CB available, unless of course something crazy happened and Floyd or one of the top notch DT's were to fall.

IMO, we have to come out of this draft with starters at QB, CB, and ILB/DE.

Frosty
01-23-2013, 02:53 PM
Evidently we have some scouts at the Senior Bowl.

http://www.nfl.com/photos/0ap1000000129598/0ap2000000129822

It's interesting that Reid is sitting off to the side while Dorsey and the scouts pow-wow.

O.city
01-23-2013, 02:55 PM
One guy i'm interested in seeing what happens to is Arthur Brown from Kstate.


IMO, he would fit pretty nicely next to DJ.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 02:58 PM
One guy i'm interested in seeing what happens to is Arthur Brown from Kstate.


IMO, he would fit pretty nicely next to DJ.

He'd be a great 2nd round pick as well. Fast, can cover/play all 3 downs IIRC.

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:02 PM
He'd be a great 2nd round pick as well. Fast, can cover/play all 3 downs IIRC.

Yeah, he's a little undersized, IIRC, but he's pretty fearless and can cover. I tend to think undersized in there that can cover > oversized that can't run.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2013, 03:04 PM
Solid.

. Would be crazy if he, Floyd, Rhodes, and Austin were all still on the board when we pick at 34.

:grovel:

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:05 PM
Would Floyd play the 3 or 5 tech?

Sorter
01-23-2013, 03:17 PM
Would Floyd play the 3 or 5 tech?

Both.

It would depend on what do with Poe in base fronts, but it could look like Poe(3-tech) Powe/Ratliff if released(NT) and Floyd at the 5-tech in our new 3-4 (assuming it is more 1-gap and like Houston's) We could play a 2-gap hybrid ala the Ravens/Jets which would put our DEs in a 4-tech in our odd front (most familiar looking 3-4 package)

You could also put Poe at NT and have Floyd play the 5 or 3. Additionally, our sub package is going to put Poe at NT IMO and Floyd replacing Bailey/Jackson at the 3 tech.

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:22 PM
Thanks.


Wouldn't be upset if one of those UGA big ugglies were hanging around int he third round if we grabbed one.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2013, 03:25 PM
Would Floyd play the 3 or 5 tech?

I think he can play either. He's 6'3 300 and very athletic. Good against run & can collapse the pocket & penetrate on pass plays. He's probably *best* utilized playing 1-gap.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 03:26 PM
I think he can play either. He's 6'3 300 and very athletic. Good against run & can collapse the pocket & penetrate on pass plays. He's probably *best* utilized playing 1-gap.

The ultimate bachelor bringing the logic.

Me gusta.

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:27 PM
TBH, I don't really want to just get "big" upfront. I would rather go with a guy who might be a little on the small side, who's extremely athletic and high motor.


Enough with this stack and shed big strong football player bullshit.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 03:31 PM
TBH, I don't really want to just get "big" upfront. I would rather go with a guy who might be a little on the small side, who's extremely athletic and high motor.


Enough with this stack and shed big strong football player bullshit.

It is fine to have a few players on the roster like that but IMO, it is a poor philosophy to start players like that/emphasize your defensive scheme around that.


In other news, I'm still super pissed off about the Cards fucking us over on getting Ray Horton. I saw a guy in a Cards shirt today and thought about how awesome our D would be from just 1 year of Ray Horton. Fuck the Cardinals.

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:33 PM
It is fine to have a few players on the roster like that but IMO, it is a poor philosophy to start players like that/emphasize your defensive scheme around that.


In other news, I'm still super pissed off about the Cards ****ing us over on getting Ray Horton. I saw a guy in a Cards shirt today and thought about how awesome our D would be from just 1 year of Ray Horton. **** the Cardinals.

We built our d around "big strong football players". It was bullshit.


And yeah, I was on the Horton bandwagon, big time.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 03:35 PM
We built our d around "big strong football players". It was bullshit.


And yeah, I was on the Horton bandwagon, big time.

We were so close to having him come here and supposedly, he wanted to.


Fuck Arizona. I hope they get plagued with a worse version of Skelton in this draft.

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:38 PM
Yep.


Side not about the SR bowl, Margus Hunt is said to be having an awful week. Maybe he falls?

Sorter
01-23-2013, 03:40 PM
Yep.


Side not about the SR bowl, Margus Hunt is said to be having an awful week. Maybe he falls?

I think he does. He's been getting worked over from the little I've seen and the lot I've read.

There are like 4 or 5 3-4 1 gap DEs that seem solid in this draft. However, the majority of them all fall in the late first category. Hopefully we can snag at least one of them.

O.city
01-23-2013, 03:42 PM
I think he does. He's been getting worked over from the little I've seen and the lot I've read.

There are like 4 or 5 3-4 1 gap DEs that seem solid in this draft. However, the majority of them all fall in the late first category. Hopefully we can snag at least one of them.

Would you take one of them over one of the CB's, some with a first round grade available in the second?


I think I would go DE. I'm hoping we spend a little in free agency to bring in a CB. Shields, Talib etc.

Sorter
01-23-2013, 03:52 PM
Would you take one of them over one of the CB's, some with a first round grade available in the second?


I think I would go DE. I'm hoping we spend a little in free agency to bring in a CB. Shields, Talib etc.

I don't think Talib gets let go by NE. He likes them and they need him desperately (they've needed a CB since Asante left. I'd expect them to shell out some money to Aquib)

Gun to my head, I'd take a top tier 3-4 DE this year over Rhodes in the 2nd.
The reason being it provides more versatility for us from base fronts (allowing us to get a pass rush, flexibility with fire-zones).

O.city
01-23-2013, 05:12 PM
I don't think Talib gets let go by NE. He likes them and they need him desperately (they've needed a CB since Asante left. I'd expect them to shell out some money to Aquib)

Gun to my head, I'd take a top tier 3-4 DE this year over Rhodes in the 2nd.
The reason being it provides more versatility for us from base fronts (allowing us to get a pass rush, flexibility with fire-zones).

From his post game words, I don't think he goes back there. I'd be fine shelling out some money for him, I think he'd pair awesome with Flowers.


Berry, Flowers, Talib, FS from Fresno. Done.

BossChief
01-23-2013, 05:44 PM
Talib is a local guy, right?

O.city
01-23-2013, 05:46 PM
He played at KU, not sure where he's from.


Hearing some chatter on twitter that the Jets are thinking of shopping Revis. What would you be willing to hypothetically give up for him?

O.city
01-23-2013, 07:08 PM
Also, I think you can take Glennon off the list for us. He just doesn't fit the WCO type offense.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-23-2013, 07:15 PM
This Nassib bullshit has got to stop. The dude is as overrated in the pre-draft circus as Tony Pike was.

O.city
01-23-2013, 07:18 PM
This Nassib bullshit has got to stop. The dude is as overrated in the pre-draft circus as Tony Pike was.

I just really don't see it either. I know Sorter likes him, and I put Sorters opinion up pretty high, but I just don't see it. I think he's a 2 year prospect.

Sfeihc
01-23-2013, 07:18 PM
What are his red flags as you see them, Hamas? I like the kid if the value is right in the draft.

DaKCMan AP
01-23-2013, 07:19 PM
I just really don't see it either. I know Sorter likes him, and I put Sorters opinion up pretty high, but I just don't see it. I think he's a 2 year prospect.

Yeah but DaKCMan AP is unimpressed and his opinion is Awesome.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=9288877&postcount=117

Sorter
01-23-2013, 07:19 PM
This Nassib bullshit has got to stop. The dude is as overrated in the pre-draft circus as Tony Pike was.

He has underwhelmed this week. :(

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-23-2013, 07:28 PM
To the person who wanted to know about Zaviar Gooden, here is my response: he was better as a sophomore than he was as a senior. Perhaps that's a result of playing with two complete stiffs at LB, but I have my doubts.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-23-2013, 07:31 PM
What are his red flags as you see them, Hamas? I like the kid if the value is right in the draft.

The biggest flag is that the value wouldn't be right for him because he has been overrated.

I watched Syracuse fist Missouri's secondary and at no point was I in awe of Nassib. He had a completely clean pocket all night and through the first three quarters produced 10 points of offense. If not for the CB's inability to attempt to cover Alec Lemon and Steckel's refusal to allow Gaines to cover him, they lose that game.

He's a guy benefiting from the perception of a lack of depth at QB. He is to this draft as the "Not-Romney" guys were to the GOP primary.

O.city
01-23-2013, 07:42 PM
To the person who wanted to know about Zaviar Gooden, here is my response: he was better as a sophomore than he was as a senior. Perhaps that's a result of playing with two complete stiffs at LB, but I have my doubts.

Is he likely to even get drafted? Could he be good depth? Pass rusher?


For all the games of MU I watched, I can't for the life of me remember.

BossChief
01-23-2013, 08:30 PM
This Nassib bullshit has got to stop. The dude is as overrated in the pre-draft circus as Tony Pike was.

I could see the bills using their second rounder on him. Coaching connection and all.

ChiefsCountry
01-23-2013, 09:00 PM
I could see the bills using their second rounder on him. Coaching connection and all.

Jets in the second round.

Chiefnj2
01-23-2013, 09:02 PM
Tough to evaluate the QBs. In most of the drills the DBs were holding/pulling/yanking/interfering throughout the entire route. Wilson seemed to have the most completions. Jones seemed to be off (even without pressure), and Manuel was up and down.

Tribal Warfare
01-23-2013, 10:42 PM
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2013practice6.php

2013 Senior Bowl: Wednesday Practice Report (South Team)

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The Detroit Lions' coaching staff ran Wednesday's South team practice with the players in full pads.

There were a number of standouts in this South practice. Arkansas quarterback Tyler Wilson, Tennessee tight end Mychal Rivera, Louisiana Tech wide receiver Quinton Patton and Georgia defensive tackle John Jenkins were all very impressive.

The running backs and the linebackers went one-on-one in pass-blocking drills in the early portion of practice. Florida running back Mike Gillislee started strong with a resounding win against Texas A&M linebacker Sean Porter. Gillislee followed that by losing a rep to Stanford's Chase Thomas. He rocked Gillislee off balance with a big hit before storming to the quarterback marker. Later, the Gators' back ran a nice route on a pass-receiving rep and made a tough catch along the sideline with Porter trailing behind.

Stanford running back Stepfan Taylor had a win against Missouri's Zaviar Gooden, but may have gotten away with a hold. Taylor had a great block, riding and sustaining the contact, against Florida State linebacker Vince Williams.

Both Taylor and Gillislee ran the ball well in the team scrimmage. On the first rep, Gillislee darted to the right side for a good gain. Taylor, for his part, bounced a run to the outside for gain of about 10 yards. The defense came back to stuff a few runs from both backs.

Gillislee ripped off a 40-yard run toward the very end of the team scrimmage when he jab-stepped to get through a hole to the right. Gillislee was then able to juke Alabama safety Robert Lester about 10 yards into the run to get in the open field. Lester took a terrible angle and set himself up for that.

Gillislee was running along the sideline before he was rocked flat on his back by Georgia safety Shawn Williams. Even though Gillislee was sent flying, it was still the best run of the day. Both he and Taylor have helped themselves this week.




The defensive and offensive lines devoted a lot of time to one-on-one battles on Wednesday. Chase Thomas got those started by beating Florida tackle Xavier Nixon with a spin move. On the rematch, Nixon held Thomas up after a good push. Nixon also had an impressive win mirroring a speed rush versus BYU defensive end Ezekiel Ansah.

There was a lot of karate chopping going on during that matchup, and Nixon appeared to hurt his hand while Ansah may have been poked in the eye. Both players took a short break after that rush before returning in the team scrimmage.

Louisiana Tech tackle Jordan Mills was chippy all day, blocking until the very end and coming close to some fights. He started well by putting Clemson defensive end Malliciah Goodman in the turf, but Goodman took the rematch with a speed rush. Mills had a draw going against Ansah.

There were some really good battles between Kentucky guard Larry Warford and Georgia defensive tackle John Jenkins. Both players are very strong and heavy, yet retain surprising athleticism. The first rep was a draw as Jenkins got some pressure, but didn't finish the rush. Jenkins then beat Warford with a fast and powerful bull rush, but Warford won the next rep by stopping a bull rush cold at the line of scrimmage. The Wildcat standout had an impressive win in which he knocked South Florida tackle Corey Grissom to the ground.

Jenkins split two reps with California's Brian Schwenke. The first rep saw Schwenke anchor well against a bull rush; Jenkins let his pad level get too high. The rematch saw Jenkins correct the mistake as he drove Schwenke straight back through the quarterback marker in an instant. It was an angry bull rush that got a reaction from the crowd. Jenkins has really performed well in Mobile, and that has improved his draft stock.

Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson had back-to-back wins against Goodman, pushing him down on the second. Johnson kept making things look easy by shutting down two rushes from LSU's Lavar Edwards. Johnson stopped Edwards in his drop and just kept him far from the pocket. There is no doubt that Johnson has had a tremendous Senior Bowl and has really helped himself.

Virginia offensive tackle Oday Aboushi lost the first rep as Edwards got leverage on him. Aboushi was able to mirror him on during the rematch before tying up a speed rush by Edwards. Aboushi also had two impressive wins against Montori Hughes on which he moved Hughes to the outside. Aboushi later beat Goodman when he held him straight up, but then only drew on the rematch. Aboushi looked better overall on Wednesday than he did on Tuesday.




The front seven had some success stuffing runs in the team scrimmage. For one, Jenkins swallowed up Gillislee at the line of scrimmage on one carry. Williams, on the other hand, had some massive hits on Wednesday and blasted running backs for no gain on consecutive plays. Alabama's Nico Johnson, Vince Williams, Gooden and Lester all chipped in tackles for no gain as well. Meanwhile, Porter flew into the backfield to hammer Miami running back Mike James.

Perhaps the most impressive play of practice came when Ansah skied into the air to deflect a pass from Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel. The deflected ball floated long enough for Gooden to be able to snatch it for an interception. Ansah got incredibly high to deflect that pass, and it looked like a play he made in BYU's bowl game last month. Ansah really displayed his explosiveness.

The defense didn't completely dominate though, as Warford blasted open a big hole for Taylor to rip off a big run. Gillislee and Taylor both had a number of positive carries.




Tyler Wilson had success moving the ball, including a great throw to hit Rivera on a crossing route between two defenders. Wilson went back to Rivera on a rollout since the Volunteer tight end was open in zone-coverage running across the field. Wilson also moved the ball well with a number of short completions.

Overall, Wilson has had a good week. He demonstrated shown accuracy, arm strength, ball security and good decision-making. The quarterback pecking order for the 2013 NFL Draft remains to be figured out, but Wilson has helped his cause.

Oklahoma quarterback Landry Jones had a few missed opportunities in this practice. Among the good things for him was when he connected with Georgia wide receiver Tavarres King on a curl route. However, Jones also had an overthrow of a back on a short crossing route that was a gimme completion with room to run. Later, Jones had Rivera wide open running down the field, but lofted the ball too far for another poor incompletion. Jones really hasn't improved his stock this week.

Manuel got his work going via a nice connection with Louisiana Tech wide receiver Quinton Patton on a quick slant. Manuel also telegraphed a throw that was deflected by Gooden for an incompletion. The best completion from Manuel came when he lofted a pass into Alabama tight end Michael Williams, who was open against Lester. It was a good throw for Manuel to just get it over leaping linebacker Vince Williams.

Patton had an excellent practice. He was phenomenal in the one-on-ones. Patton started with a great catch over Alabama safety Robert Lester. Patton the beat Lester again; this time making a great falling catch over Lester in the end zone. It was a well-thrown pass by Jones from about 45 yards away.

Wednesday was the final padded practice for the South squad prior to the Senior Bowl on Saturday.

ChiefMojo
01-24-2013, 05:30 AM
Basically the two top QB's this week have been Tyler Wilson and Mike Glennon. The thing is Glennon doesn't fit us even if he were a option... he is a Air Coryell type of QB, while we are a WCO team now. Wilson has definitely put himself into the discussion along with Smith and to an extent Barkley. We will know where Barkley completely stands after the Combine and Pro Days.

Yes Talib is local in a sense. Went to KU but is from Dallas originally. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Coach Reid like bigger CB's historically? Some of the top CB's this week have been Trufant from Washington, Poyer from Oregon State, Taylor from Boise State, etc. They guys could be had from 2nd to 3rd round if I were to guess. Two other CB's that had their moments to keep a eye on are Rob Alford and B.W Webb.

A few ILB I have had my eye on are Reddick from UNC and Johnson from FSU to go along with Klein from ISU from last weekends Shrine Bowl game. Then there is always Teo'....

A couple S's to keep a eye on is Cyprien from FlU and McDonald from USC. These two have seem to sky rocket up the boards to be in the same discussion with the likes of Elam (UF), Rambo (Georgia) and Reid (LSU).

A interesting NT to keep a eye on is the Williams kid out of Missouri Southern. He has performed very well this week.

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2013, 06:11 AM
I really like Mike Gillislee. I was screaming for him to get reps @ Florida and it took Urban Meyer leaving for Mike to get his chance. He tore it up this year and I think he can do well in the NFL. Not for the Chiefs, though. He'll get drafted much higher than KC can afford to spend a pick on a RB.

ChiefMojo
01-24-2013, 07:01 AM
A late round or UDFA RB I like is Michael Hill out of Missouri Western. Hill is 5'11", 210 (4.5) that ran for over 2,000 yards this season.... Tore up the Raycom game with around 150 yards rushing and at least 2 TD's.

Frosty
01-24-2013, 07:12 AM
NFLN talked to Gus Bradley during the North practice yesterday. I was pretty impressed with him. I like the Reid hire but I kind of wish the Chiefs had hired Bradley. I guess time will tell which was the right choice, though I know Clark would have had a hard time selling a first time head coach after the ***** and Crennel disaster.

DaKCMan AP
01-24-2013, 08:36 AM
A late round or UDFA RB I like is Michael Hill out of Missouri Western. Hill is 5'11", 210 (4.5) that ran for over 2,000 yards this season.... Tore up the Raycom game with around 150 yards rushing and at least 2 TD's.

There are ALWAYS late round or UDFA RBs available. Always. Last year I liked Tauren Poole. Two years ago Stevan Ridley. Three years ago ago I was high on Montario Hardesty and Charles Scott. Four years ago my favorite was Arian Foster.

This year I like Zac Stacy, Spencer Ware, Theo Riddick, Washaun Ealey, and for a change of pace back Chris Thompson

htismaqe
01-24-2013, 08:53 AM
Sorter and I have been Nassib fans for a long time but neither of us think he's anything more than a 2nd-round pick.

Like Hamas said, he's benefitting from the lack of clarity in this class and thus his stock is being inflated.

He's a solid QB but he's got limited upside because he just doesn't operate well when he's "the man".

He's a high-end game manager, really.

Frosty
01-24-2013, 09:02 AM
Sorter and I have been Nassib fans for a long time but neither of us think he's anything more than a 2nd-round pick.

Like Hamas said, he's benefitting from the lack of clarity in this class and thus his stock is being inflated.

He's a solid QB but he's got limited upside because he just doesn't operate well when he's "the man".

He's a high-end game manager, really.

Mayock was comparing him to Dalton, which I think is a fair comparison. Personally, I would like to aim a little higher.

htismaqe
01-24-2013, 09:07 AM
Mayock was comparing him to Dalton, which I think is a fair comparison. Personally, I would like to aim a little higher.

Yeah, I think that's a fair comparison. Dalton, too, is a high-end game manger IMO and not much more.

Sorter
01-24-2013, 09:09 AM
A late round or UDFA RB I like is Michael Hill out of Missouri Western. Hill is 5'11", 210 (4.5) that ran for over 2,000 yards this season.... Tore up the Raycom game with around 150 yards rushing and at least 2 TD's.

Yeah, I just looked him up. Not bad.

ChiefMojo
01-24-2013, 09:10 AM
I admit I don't mind Nassib. If we passed on a 1st round QB, he would make sense in the 2nd round. Then again teams could reach for him if QB's start going off the board in the 1st quick.

My only major knock on him is he doesn't drive his deep balls... He definitely has a habit of floating his deep balls. Much like Barkley and Dysert, they are WCO system guys only. Short to intermediary stuff is their game.

Sorter
01-24-2013, 09:12 AM
Mayock was comparing him to Dalton, which I think is a fair comparison. Personally, I would like to aim a little higher.

I think he's better than Dalton.

Like htismage said, I think he's typically a 2nd/3rd round guy who will likely go in the 1st this year. I really like his release and movement w/in the pocket. I really dislike his lack of accuracy on 9s. Solid accuracy on posts, deep digs but does struggle with touch on the deep ball considerably more so than Geno, Wilson, Barkley, and even Glennon.

He'd be a great kid to draft in the late/mid first and let sit for 2-3 years.

ChiefRocka
01-24-2013, 09:24 AM
I admit I don't mind Nassib. If we passed on a 1st round QB, he would make sense in the 2nd round. Then again teams could reach for him if QB's start going off the board in the 1st quick.

My only major knock on him is he doesn't drive his deep balls... He definitely has a habit of floating his deep balls. Much like Barkley and Dysert, they are WCO system guys only. Short to intermediary stuff is their game.

Sorry I don't want Ryan Fitzpatrick as my QB.

Sorter
01-24-2013, 09:27 AM
Sorry I don't want Ryan Fitzpatrick as my QB.

He's not Fitz. Doesn't have a Cassel-esque release ala Fitz and isn't a guy who played for a contract IMO.

htismaqe
01-24-2013, 09:59 AM
Sorry I don't want Ryan Fitzpatrick as my QB.

Oh no, no, no.

Terrible comparison.

Chiefnj2
01-24-2013, 09:01 PM
Mayock and Davis have their senior bowl QB analysis up at nfl.com

Basically everyone is afraid to commit to anything. Positives about everyone, won't even venture to guess where/what round. These guys are afraid to make a prediction without the input of teams/scouts when big boards are really getting set.

Sorter
01-24-2013, 09:22 PM
Mayock and Davis have their senior bowl QB analysis up at nfl.com

Basically everyone is afraid to commit to anything. Positives about everyone, won't even venture to guess where/what round. These guys are afraid to make a prediction without the input of teams/scouts when big boards are really getting set.

I don't understand why. They aren't going to lose their jobs over being wrong and it isn't like anyone in the NFL really takes them seriously. Why the fuck can't they just sack up and be honest?

Tribal Warfare
01-24-2013, 10:01 PM
Mayock and Davis have their senior bowl QB analysis up at nfl.com

Basically everyone is afraid to commit to anything. Positives about everyone, won't even venture to guess where/what round. These guys are afraid to make a prediction without the input of teams/scouts when big boards are really getting set.

Flacco being the perfect example with Mayock since his Senior Bowl week till draft day Mayock had him going in the second round then suddenly he was a 1st round QB talent.

RustShack
01-25-2013, 12:33 AM
Jake Knott is a LB just as good if not better than Klein who will probably be drafted at least one round later than him.

RustShack
01-25-2013, 12:40 AM
I know I'm a broken record on that, but if you like Klein you have to like Knott too. Both will be bargin picks. In the NFL they might not be that big name, but they will be very good, oprotunistic, and make few mistakes. dedicated hard working team players that are great to have on the team. You can't have 22 Pro Bowlers, exactly the type of players to have line up with your stars and not be a weak link.

Chiefnj2
01-25-2013, 09:18 AM
It would be interesting to see which announcers/analysts are represented by the same agents/corps as the prospects.

philfree
01-25-2013, 11:20 AM
This is as good as place as any to post this. Yesterday I was watching 212 and Mayock stated that 15 QBs have been drafted in the 1st round in the last five years. 14 are starters with Tebow being the lone exception.

Yet another fact for any peeps who don't want to draft a QB at 1.1.

the Talking Can
01-25-2013, 11:51 AM
This is as good as place as any to post this. Yesterday I was watching 212 and Mayock stated that 15 QBs have been drafted in the 1st round in the last five years. 14 are starters with Tebow being the lone exception.

Yet another fact for any peeps who don't want to draft a QB at 1.1.

things have changed

and if you have any competent coaching at all, you should be able to start rookies...

Chiefnj2
01-25-2013, 03:15 PM
This is as good as place as any to post this. Yesterday I was watching 212 and Mayock stated that 15 QBs have been drafted in the 1st round in the last five years. 14 are starters with Tebow being the lone exception.

Yet another fact for any peeps who don't want to draft a QB at 1.1.

Wouldn't you expect a first round QB drafted within the last 3 years to be the starter and still be under the evaluation process?

I'm guessing there is a decent chance that Sanchez can be added to the failed test this upcoming year and maybe Gabbert.

philfree
01-25-2013, 04:18 PM
Wouldn't you expect a first round QB drafted within the last 3 years to be the starter and still be under the evaluation process?

I'm guessing there is a decent chance that Sanchez can be added to the failed test this upcoming year and maybe Gabbert.

I still think it's more evidence that we should draft a QB in the 1st round. You don't think we should?

Chiefnj2
01-25-2013, 05:50 PM
I still think it's more evidence that we should draft a QB in the 1st round. You don't think we should?

I'd prefer if KC were to draft Smith, Wilson or Bray. I don't care if they take them at 1, 10, 34 or 65.

philfree
01-25-2013, 06:04 PM
I'd prefer if KC were to draft Smith, Wilson or Bray. I don't care if they take them at 1, 10, 34 or 65.

I hope Reid and Dorsey identify their franchise QB and take him with the first pick of the draft. We're in the position to do it so that's what we should do. If they have the attitude of trading down and taking which ever QB is there then I'm going to feel like they haven't really identified their franchise QB.

Sully
01-25-2013, 06:33 PM
Is he likely to even get drafted? Could he be good depth? Pass rusher?


For all the games of MU I watched, I can't for the life of me remember.

I know it's not an OLB's job to take on a OL, but I was pretty focused on him last year when they played at OU, and the guy was routinely crushed by pulling guards. On skates all night, and couldn't disengage to save his life.

philfree
01-25-2013, 07:23 PM
Bob Gretz rates EJ Manuel as his #1 QB at the Sr Bowl.

Here's how he ranked them.

I’ve rated them one through six based on what they showed in practice. I did not chart every throw in practice – there were other players to watch – but I did keep totals in the seven-on-seven passing drills and the team work portions of practice.

1.Manuel
2.Nassib
3.Wilson
4.Dysert
5.Glennon
6.Jones

WayneBowe
01-25-2013, 08:56 PM
Bob Gretz rates EJ Manuel as his #1 QB at the Sr Bowl.

Here's how he ranked them.



1.Manuel
2.Nassib
3.Wilson
4.Dysert
5.Glennon
6.Jones

EJ is an interesting prospect. I'll be interested to see how he measures up at the combine against everyone else.

CaliforniaChief
01-25-2013, 09:07 PM
What kind of 40 times are you expecting from Smith/Manuel/Wilson/Nassib?

WayneBowe
01-25-2013, 10:10 PM
What kind of 40 times are you expecting from Smith/Manuel/Wilson/Nassib?

1.Manuel

2.Smith


3.Nassib
4.Wilson

silver5liter
01-25-2013, 10:31 PM
Yeah, I just looked him up. Not bad.

He's a beast, graduated with him last semester

htismaqe
01-25-2013, 10:35 PM
EJ is an interesting prospect. I'll be interested to see how he measures up at the combine against everyone else.

He's an athlete for sure.

He's just a horrible QB.

Jiu Jitsu Jon
01-26-2013, 12:15 AM
DL Brandon Williams from Missouri Southern made the OL look like fools in the blitzing drills(Sorry don't know the actual name of the drill - goal was for the defensive guy to get to the coach holding the ball, who represented the quarterback. He just shucked them aside like AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT.

Tribal Warfare
01-26-2013, 12:22 AM
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Sorter
01-26-2013, 10:41 AM
DL Brandon Williams from Missouri Southern made the OL look like fools in the blitzing drills(Sorry don't know the actual name of the drill - goal was for the defensive guy to get to the coach holding the ball, who represented the quarterback. He just shucked them aside like AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT.

nice

WayneBowe
01-26-2013, 11:56 PM
He's an athlete for sure.

He's just a horrible QB.

When I was stationed in Virginia from 2004-2007 I would watch him play high school ball every week. He was rated the #2 QB in his class in 08 I think.

Sorter
01-26-2013, 11:59 PM
I know it's not an OLB's job to take on a OL, but I was pretty focused on him last year when they played at OU, and the guy was routinely crushed by pulling guards. On skates all night, and couldn't disengage to save his life.

Gooden is fast and can cover. Weighs around 235 but could easily bulk up to 250-maybe 265 (from what MU coaches have said)

Ideally, I'd like to bulk him to 240 and draft him to play ILb on subs/possibly base packages if he can play the run well enough.

evolve27
01-27-2013, 12:09 AM
Nassib is my favorite.

I like what I saw from Wilson. But that Manuel TD was nicer. Perfect placement.