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3rd&48ers
01-25-2013, 11:41 PM
If you’re living on welfare in North Carolina, you may soon be out of luck when it comes to the lottery. Raleigh-Durham’s ABC affiliate WTVD-TV is reporting that lawmakers in that state are proposing legislation that would bar people on welfare or in bankruptcy from purchasing lottery tickets.

As reporter Anna Laurel explains, “the lawmaker drafting this legislation told us today that the vendor selling the lottery ticket would be penalized if they know the person is on welfare or in bankruptcy, which has some questioning if this law really solves any problems.”

The Republican congressman behind the bill, Rep. Paul Stam laid out his reasoning by saying, “We’re giving them welfare to help them live, and yet by selling them a ticket, we’re taking away their money that is there to provide them the barest of necessities.”

But as the Raleigh news team discovered, local lottery vendors have serious concerns. One clerk was quoted as saying, “I don’t feel comfortable to ask my customers what their financial status is… it’s not my business.”

Meanwhile, North Carolina’s NAACP president Rev. William Barber said that while his organization doesn’t “agree with the lottery to start with” he would prefer to have Rep. Stam focus on larger issues “Rather than Mr. Stam having a side argument, ask him to stop blocking labor rights for poor people and working people. Ask him to have a real conversation about real wage.”

Watch video below, via WTVD-TV:
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A Salt Weapon
01-26-2013, 12:23 AM
Awesome!
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Discuss Thrower
01-26-2013, 01:39 AM
Gtfo with this common sense bullshit.

|Zach|
01-26-2013, 02:14 AM
You know what would get this country on track? More people working at convenience stores doing assessments of the financial lives of their customers.

SPchief
01-26-2013, 02:46 AM
Are they gonna do background checks on people paying with cash?

A Salt Weapon
01-26-2013, 05:21 AM
So essentially if you voted for the jug-eared socialist you can't play the lottery, I have no problem with that at all.
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Cave Johnson
01-26-2013, 05:58 AM
Is there any stupid petty annoyance to poor people R8ers won't endorse?

Cave Johnson
01-26-2013, 06:00 AM
Asenine. State legislators are some of the dumbest individuals on the planet.

Ace Gunner
01-26-2013, 06:35 AM
game changer

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 08:18 AM
Is there any stupid petty annoyance to poor people R8ers won't endorse?

stop the fraudsters and there is more money for the people who really need it

KILLER_CLOWN
01-26-2013, 08:27 AM
This is an intrusive dumbass idea, I hope this guy does not get reelected.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 08:30 AM
This is an intrusive dumbass idea, I hope this guy does not get reelected.

People who are broke should not play the lottery to begin with much less when they are on Gubment assistance.. Use the spare money they have to buy gas for the car to go find a job

KILLER_CLOWN
01-26-2013, 08:34 AM
People who are broke should not play the lottery to begin with much less when they are on Gubment assistance.. Use the spare money they have to buy gas for the car to go find a job

Well I agree in principle but we don't need a hall monitor for these type of things, This is not the conservative way.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 08:37 AM
Well I agree in principle but we don't need a hall monitor for these type of things, This is not the conservative way.

Just make them repay what they have received to provide money for the next person that needs a hand up.. I love it when people get help they need and then use it to give them a hand up, 6 months later they are providing for themselves and paying into the system like the rest of us.

KILLER_CLOWN
01-26-2013, 08:40 AM
Just make them repay what they have received to provide money for the next person that needs a hand up.. I love it when people get help they need and then use it to give them a hand up, 6 months later they are providing for themselves and paying into the system like the rest of us.

Then don't give them the money in the first place, but don't tell them how they can spend it.

Brock
01-26-2013, 09:08 AM
Unenforceable, stupid. Retardlicans.

Cave Johnson
01-26-2013, 09:17 AM
stop the fraudsters and there is more money for the people who really need it

This won't create "more money", since its utterly unenforceable.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 09:20 AM
This won't create "more money", since its utterly unenforceable.

Not here, you win a good chunk it has to be paid by check directly from lottery headquarters... Run a check on the name and if it comes back the person is on welfare all they have to do is seize it to pay for past and current benefits.

Brock
01-26-2013, 09:48 AM
Not here, you win a good chunk it has to be paid by check directly from lottery headquarters... Run a check on the name and if it comes back the person is on welfare all they have to do is seize it to pay for past and current benefits.

That is not what is proposed.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 09:56 AM
That is not what is proposed.

It could be after a little tweaking...

notorious
01-26-2013, 10:10 AM
I never understood how welfare people get cash.


The government doesn't give them cash, do they?

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 10:12 AM
I never understood how welfare people get cash.


The government doesn't give them cash, do they?

No, but the benefits they are given is to prevent them from having to use their cash...

If you have 100 dollars and an ebt card with 300 dollars on it, what are you going to use to buy food?

notorious
01-26-2013, 10:19 AM
No, but the benefits they are given is to prevent them from having to use their cash...

If you have 100 dollars and an ebt card with 300 dollars on it, what are you going to use to buy food?

Of course.


I thought they might withdrawl cash with their EBT cards while purchasing groceries.

There was a neighbor of mine back in College that constantly tried to sell his food stamps for cash.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 10:33 AM
Of course.


I thought they might withdrawl cash with their EBT cards while purchasing groceries.

There was a neighbor of mine back in College that constantly tried to sell his food stamps for cash.

Oh hell I bet they can buy actual lottery tickets with them and ring it up as food at some places....

Nothing is ever going to stop fraudsters because they always find a way

Deberg_1990
01-26-2013, 10:36 AM
How will the lotto survive and make any money if the poor are not allowed to play?

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 10:40 AM
How will the lotto survive and make any money if the poor are not allowed to play?

That is true... The jackpots will be much smaller thats for damn sure....

I don't like anything that preys on the poor... The Lottery, Check Cashing Stores, places that rent tvs and stuff , payday loans etc. These businesses are parasites that feed off of poor people in my mind...

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 10:42 AM
How bout the Western Sky commercial trying to get you to borrow 10k .... If my math is right reading the small print you will pay back 63k for that loan if you carry it to terms.

Deberg_1990
01-26-2013, 10:47 AM
I don't like anything that preys on the poor... The Lottery, Check Cashing Stores, places that rent tvs and stuff , payday loans etc. These businesses are parasites that feed off of poor people in my mind...

Pretty much my feelings as well.

notorious
01-26-2013, 11:06 AM
How bout the Western Sky commercial trying to get you to borrow 10k .... If my math is right reading the small print you will pay back 63k for that loan if you carry it to terms.

Heh, I hear that commercial on Sirius ESPN all of the time.


What do you think about the new "Cocksox" commercial? ROFL

notorious
01-26-2013, 11:07 AM
Rental stores don't just prey off of the poor. They prey off of the uneducated idiots that can't do simple math.



The poor just happen to make up most of that demographic.

rockymtnchief
01-26-2013, 11:43 AM
That is true... The jackpots will be much smaller thats for damn sure....

I don't like anything that preys on the poor... The Lottery, Check Cashing Stores, places that rent tvs and stuff , payday loans etc. These businesses are parasites that feed off of poor people in my mind...

I agree. Leeches.

They all make the poor a little poorer.

Cave Johnson
01-26-2013, 12:24 PM
That is true... The jackpots will be much smaller thats for damn sure....

I don't like anything that preys on the poor... The Lottery, Check Cashing Stores, places that rent tvs and stuff , payday loans etc. These businesses are parasites that feed off of poor people in my mind...

a) Which do you think has a more deleterious impact on the poor, the lottery or usury?

b) Why isn't this particular state senator proposing lending reform too?

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 12:45 PM
a) Which do you think has a more deleterious impact on the poor, the lottery or usury?

b) Why isn't this particular state senator proposing lending reform too?

Seriously, I don't care what people do with a little bit of money and I think we have more shit to worry about in this country...

I seriously don't want welfare gone because no matter how sorry parents are, I would never want the guilt of a single kid going hungry... If we have to feed a bunch of leeches to get to the people who need it then so be it...

I am blessed and I have it good and I sometimes lose focus and realize others didn't have the opportunity I did or they weren't educated enough in common sense (thats not a slam) to realize what makes people poor... The people who abuse put the bad taste in my mouth and make me like I am but the last thing I ever want to see is a hungry person..

I am the one people call a dumbass for giving the bum at the intersection 5 bucks hoping he gets something to eat but knowing in my heart I just paid for his booze....

Oh well, I tried

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 12:55 PM
Just went and ate some Mexican food at the strip mall here, passed the Aarons place and they had a riding lawnmower out front for a cool 138 bucks per month... No telling for how many months

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 12:57 PM
Rental stores don't just prey off of the poor. They prey off of the uneducated idiots that can't do simple math.



The poor just happen to make up most of that demographic.


I work with people who make 80k a year that pay their disney vacation on their card, not for the points or the perks, just the simple fact they are broke.

notorious
01-26-2013, 01:03 PM
I work with people who make 80k a year that pay their disney vacation on their card, not for the points or the perks, just the simple fact they are broke.

We call them,"Sixty-Thousand Dollar Millionaires".

I am liquid, and it's fucking awesome.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 01:19 PM
We call them,"Sixty-Thousand Dollar Millionaires".

I am liquid, and it's ****ing awesome.


Damn right....:thumb: it's the only way to live in my mind..... I don't have a helluva lot of material things but everything I have is paid for in full and that's the way I want to live...

Any man that wants to live another way, that's his business.

lewdog
01-26-2013, 01:32 PM
Damn right....:thumb: it's the only way to live in my mind..... I don't have a helluva lot of material things but everything I have is paid for in full and that's the way I want to live...

Any man that wants to live another way, that's his business.

Yup and it is even harder to live this way being someone in their mid 20's with friends who don't understand the value of a dollar. My girlfriend and I are very tight with money even though I make a decent living. Our friends, however, sometimes have influence on how my girlfriend thinks because my generation just doesn't get it. We are in are mid 20's, neither has a car payment or credit card debt. I have an interest free student loan to my parents and I definitely can afford to pay that while still putting money into a 401k/Roth IRA and putting good amounts of money into savings. I have friends who make the same as us but live paycheck to paycheck while we have saved enough to have a 15k emergency fund. Sometimes their purchases of boats, cars, trips and expensive dinners have her thinking we should be doing the same. I can usually talk about why we live like we do and she does get it, but it doesn't make it easy.

I feel much more secure having a good understanding about the need to plan for the future, even in your 20's, than those feeling like they can afford tons of material things.

I would never argue with my friend about how they spend their money but it is amazing how little understanding my generation has of money which will further increase the entitlement issue in this country.

notorious
01-26-2013, 01:35 PM
Yup and it is even harder to live this way being someone in their mid 20's with friends who don't understand the value of a dollar. My girlfriend and I are very tight with money even though I make a decent living. Our friends, however, sometimes have influence on how my girlfriend thinks because my generation just doesn't get it. We are in are mid 20's, neither has a car payment or credit card debt. I have an interest free student loan to my parents and I definitely can afford to pay that while still putting money into a 401k/Roth IRA and putting good amounts of money into savings. I have friends who make the same as us but live paycheck to paycheck while we have saved enough to have a 15k emergency fund.

I feel much more secure having a good understanding about the need to plan for the future, even in your 20's, than those feeling like they can afford tons of material things.

I would never argue with my friend about how they spend their money but it is amazing how little understanding my generation has of money which will further increase the entitlement issue in this country.

Money is a huge reason for divorce. Money management is tied to responsiblity and being mentally mature.

I hope they figure it out, because EVERY friend of mine that is a credit warrior ended their marriage in divorce. Too much stress and not enough communication.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 01:45 PM
Yup and it is even harder to live this way being someone in their mid 20's with friends who don't understand the value of a dollar. My girlfriend and I are very tight with money even though I make a decent living. Our friends, however, sometimes have influence on how my girlfriend thinks because my generation just doesn't get it. We are in are mid 20's, neither has a car payment or credit card debt. I have an interest free student loan to my parents and I definitely can afford to pay that while still putting money into a 401k/Roth IRA and putting good amounts of money into savings. I have friends who make the same as us but live paycheck to paycheck while we have saved enough to have a 15k emergency fund. Sometimes their purchases of boats, cars, trips and expensive dinners have her thinking we should be doing the same. I can usually talk about why we live like we do and she does get it, but it doesn't make it easy.

I feel much more secure having a good understanding about the need to plan for the future, even in your 20's, than those feeling like they can afford tons of material things.

I would never argue with my friend about how they spend their money but it is amazing how little understanding my generation has of money which will further increase the entitlement issue in this country.

Just don't try to force your thoughts on the better half... Explain and reason with her and don't forget to live life and splurge sometimes... Happy Wife = Happy Life.

Friends will take offense if you try to tell them something they know in their heart is right but they don't practice, best to leave finances out of friendships, it's a no win.

Once Mama sees that account grow, she will be on board 100%, it's good you are so young and thinking the way you do :thumb:

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 01:46 PM
Money is a huge reason for divorce. Money management is tied to responsiblity and being mentally mature.

I hope they figure it out, because EVERY friend of mine that is a credit warrior ended their marriage in divorce. Too much stress and not enough communication.

I read money issues ranked higher than cheating on the divorce scale.

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 02:21 PM
Too funny.

So the idea behind this law is that we are giving convenience store owners the ability to profile people. And if they mess up and don't profile someone, we will penalize them.

Maybe you can Id them. Ask them to flash their welfare card. They get those, right?

RedNeckRaider
01-26-2013, 02:26 PM
Too funny.

So the idea behind this law is that we are giving convenience store owners the ability to profile people. And if they mess up and don't profile someone, we will penalize them.

Maybe you can Id them. Ask them to flash their welfare card. They get those, right?

Nope they will simply sell them the ticket and when they try to collect they will not get paid when they try to collect~

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 02:31 PM
Nope they will simply sell them the ticket and they will not get paid when they try to collect~

It penalizes store owners if they sell to someone who is on welfare, even though there is no reasonable way for a store owner to do this.

If conservatives are going to bitch about class warfare, it's equally ridiculous to tell someone in welfare how to spend their money. Nor does it make any sense that the government would collect buttloads of money from consumers who aren't even allowed to cash in.

This regulation is stupid on a whole bunch of levels.

And before anyone chimes in with the lousy argument that because they are getting government handouts they should be held under scrutiny... Think long and hard about handouts big businesses get that often get invested into increased executive compensation or perks like private transportation.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 02:35 PM
It penalizes store owners if they sell to someone who is on welfare, even though there is no reasonable way for a store owner to do this.

If conservatives are going to bitch about class warfare, it's equally ridiculous to tell someone in welfare how to spend their money. Nor does it make any sense that the government would collect buttloads of money from consumers who aren't even allowed to cash in.

This regulation is stupid on a whole bunch of levels.

And before anyone chimes in with the lousy argument that because they are getting government handouts they should be held under scrutiny... Think long and hard about handouts big businesses get that often get invested into increased executive compensation or perks like private transportation.

Don't even point the finger at Conservatives about class warfare.... This administration invented it.

RyFo18
01-26-2013, 02:35 PM
The reason I think this is a bad idea...Person A on welfare buys a lottery ticket anyway with cash and wins $1000. This kind of transaction requires the State Lottery to get involved. They see that this person is on Welfare and denies them the $1000. Everyone is outraged.

The policy does make sense from a "you shouldn't play the lotto if you don't have the money to play it", but I'm someone who is all for much less government. This doesn't make sense from that standpoint.

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 02:36 PM
Don't even point the finger at Conservatives about class warfare.... This administration invented it.

I know they have. I hate it. But it doesn't advance the argument if conservatives then point the finger in the other direction.

RedNeckRaider
01-26-2013, 02:41 PM
It penalizes store owners if they sell to someone who is on welfare, even though there is no reasonable way for a store owner to do this.

If conservatives are going to bitch about class warfare, it's equally ridiculous to tell someone in welfare how to spend their money. Nor does it make any sense that the government would collect buttloads of money from consumers who aren't even allowed to cash in.

This regulation is stupid on a whole bunch of levels.

And before anyone chimes in with the lousy argument that because they are getting government handouts they should be held under scrutiny... Think long and hard about handouts big businesses get that often get invested into increased executive compensation or perks like private transportation.

You are obtuse or being disingenuous with this post~

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 02:45 PM
You are obtuse or being disingenuous with this post~

What is being disingenuous? A lot of judgment over how welfare recipients spend their money but defensive when anyone dares ask how a business owner or rich person spends tax breaks. It's hypocritical.

RedNeckRaider
01-26-2013, 02:51 PM
What is being disingenuous? A lot of judgment over how welfare recipients spend their money but defensive when anyone dares ask how a business owner or rich person spends tax breaks. It's hypocritical.

If you think for a second I am in the camp with the snake handling moral majority ( they are neither ) that is the core of the right you missed your guess. However anyone coming from the left acting offended yelling class warfare is either ignorant or being "disingenuous"~

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 03:04 PM
If you think for a second I am in the camp with the snake handling moral majority ( they are neither ) that is the core of the right you missed your guess. However anyone coming from the left acting offended yelling class warfare is either ignorant or being "disingenuous"~

I am not on the left. I am not saying you are in this group. I am pointing to the overall reaction from the right, and yet another example of why the right struggles to get respect. The idea that Obama is waging class warfare is a great one. I hate it. But it would have more legs if it wasn't couched in an elitist view of conservatives thumbing their nose in disgust at anyone in the lower class. In this case, I don't give a shit what these people spend their money on.

RedNeckRaider
01-26-2013, 03:15 PM
I am not on the left. I am not saying you are in this group. I am pointing to the overall reaction from the right, and yet another example of why the right struggles to get respect. The idea that Obama is waging class warfare is a great one. I hate it. But it would have more legs if it wasn't couched in an elitist view of conservatives thumbing their nose in disgust at anyone in the lower class. In this case, I don't give a shit what these people spend their money on.

Nor do I, however this nonsense "elitist" bullshit attached to the right is laughable. I wonder how the ads would have played out if Kerry was running against Obama. Both parties are filled with elitists. One party has marketed itself to the simpleminded as the poor guys fighting the rich guys. The level of credulity it takes to buy into either party great. To buy into the bullshit the left is pumping out takes total gullibility~

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 03:31 PM
I know they have. I hate it. But it doesn't advance the argument if conservatives then point the finger in the other direction.

Here is the kicker though, The haves are really providing for the have nots... The have nots are just costing them money.

Kinda like your daughter hooks up with a punk that raids the fridge and drinks your beer then acts like he is entitled to it.

I seriously think the ones that pay the taxes should be the only ones who decide how the taxes are spent but that's just me.

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 03:35 PM
Nor do I, however this nonsense "elitist" bullshit attached to the right is laughable. I wonder how the ads would have played out if Kerry was running against Obama. Both parties are filled with elitists. One party has marketed itself to the simpleminded as the poor guys fighting the rich guys. The level of credulity it takes to buy into either party great. To buy into the bullshit the left is pumping out takes total gullibility~

I disagree with much of the left platform. You're not going to get argument from me on that.

Again, it's one thing to want to reduce government spending on lower class benefits. It's another thing to couch that in disgust for people who are reliant on government. That is elitism and one you don't see from the left because they are at least smart enough to know what a dent that puts on their reputation. The right is fighting an image of being out of touch and unsympathetic to the lower class and accusatory to the point of practically showing disgust. That doesn't help the party's reputation one bit.

RedNeckRaider
01-26-2013, 03:43 PM
I disagree with much of the left platform. You're not going to get argument from me on that.

Again, it's one thing to want to reduce government spending on lower class benefits. It's another thing to couch that in disgust for people who are reliant on government. That is elitism and one you don't see from the left because they are at least smart enough to know what a dent that puts on their reputation. The right is fighting an image of being out of touch and unsympathetic to the lower class and accusatory to the point of practically showing disgust. That doesn't help the party's reputation one bit.

The right is simply not as effective at marketing. The left plays to the left hip and cons the simpleminded into believing they are regular guys fighting the evil rich. They are Al Sharpton with big money and media backing. They feed on the poor and need them to stay poor while selling the scam they are on their side~

chiefzilla1501
01-26-2013, 04:01 PM
Here is the kicker though, The haves are really providing for the have nots... The have nots are just costing them money.

Kinda like your daughter hooks up with a punk that raids the fridge and drinks your beer then acts like he is entitled to it.

I seriously think the ones that pay the taxes should be the only ones who decide how the taxes are spent but that's just me.

This isn't about taxes. This is about making a big deal out of how people spend their money, even if some of that was given to them by the government.

And by the way, let's be careful about using the word "entitled." Not every person on welfare acts entitled to it. Many people legitimately need it, and not every person is an abuser of the system.

3rd&48ers
01-26-2013, 04:03 PM
This isn't about taxes. This is about making a big deal out of how people spend their money, even if some of that was given to them by the government.

And by the way, let's be careful about using the word "entitled." Not every person on welfare acts entitled to it. Many people legitimately need it, and not every person is an abuser of the system.

I know, I like to help people out, I just don't like womb to the tomb coverage

KC native
01-26-2013, 04:03 PM
Don't even point the finger at Conservatives about class warfare.... This administration invented it.

JFC Read a fucking history book. Class warfare has been part of our country since the beginning.

Do you not remember Ronnie Raygun's "welfare queen" stereotype?

LiveSteam
01-26-2013, 05:24 PM
JFC Read a fucking history book. Class warfare has been part of our country since the beginning.

Do you not remember Ronnie Raygun's "welfare queen" stereotype?

No I dont. Do tell

KC native
01-26-2013, 05:28 PM
No I dont. Do tell

That's because your brain is full of holes from all the meth you've smoked.

Comrade Crapski
01-26-2013, 06:46 PM
Do you not remember Ronnie Raygun's "welfare queen" stereotype?

I know you do, she was your grandmother.