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SNR
01-30-2013, 02:49 PM
I'm sick and fucking tired of clicking on links and reading fucking garbage. If you find a shitty mock from somewhere on the internet, post it in here. That way I don't have to look at the idiocy and jizz anymore.

Canofbier
01-30-2013, 02:52 PM
This one is terrible. (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=269292)

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 03:01 PM
But... but, every Mock is shitty... Does this mean every mock should go here?!?
I'm so confused...

SNR
01-31-2013, 03:30 PM
But... but, every Mock is shitty... Does this mean every mock should go here?!?
I'm so confused...

I'm sick of seeing "Hey guyz check out this mock draft" and right at the top it says Luke Joeckel. Usually the explanation says something like, "With Brandon Albert a free agent, it makes sense to replace him with Joeckel."

Sorter
01-31-2013, 04:01 PM
But... but, every Mock is shitty... Does this mean every mock should go here?!?
I'm so confused...

Gadzooks, I haven't heard much about SD lately. Who do you want SD to draft in the first round?

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 04:25 PM
Gadzooks, I haven't heard much about SD lately. Who do you want SD to draft in the first round?

Geno Smith. (Just to piss off SNR)

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 04:39 PM
Actually, this is one year where I wouldn't mind the Chargers taking an LT in the first, but, if Joeckel and Fisher are off the board, it should be BPA at 11.
Obviously, FA should help sort things out.

Are you on the Geno bandwagon?

SNR
01-31-2013, 04:40 PM
Actually, this is one year where I wouldn't mind the Chargers taking an LT in the first, but, if Joeckel and Fisher are off the board, it should be BPA at 11.
Obviously, FA should help sort things out.

Are you on the Geno bandwagon?

11, you say?

Who is this draft's Dontari Poe? :hmmm:

Nightfyre
01-31-2013, 04:40 PM
Pffft. Who isn't on the Geno Wagon?!

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 04:43 PM
11, you say?

Who is this draft's Dontari Poe? :hmmm:

Star Lu-ti-fru-ti?

Nightfyre
01-31-2013, 04:45 PM
Star Lu-ti-tu-ti?

I think he means pure workout warrior.

I would look at Margus Hunt, Ziggy Ansah and Dion Jordan as fast risers during combine time.

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 04:48 PM
I think he means pure workout warrior.

I would look at Margus Hunt, Ziggy Ansah and Dion Jordan as fast risers during combine time.

Oh, I thought he meant big fatso's that don't do shit in the NFL.

SNR
01-31-2013, 04:53 PM
Oh, I thought he meant big fatso's that don't do shit in the NFL.

Dontari Poe is a fucking adonis. I wouldn't call him fat.

Now Ryan Sims. THERE was a fucking fatass.

Sorter
01-31-2013, 04:56 PM
Actually, this is one year where I wouldn't mind the Chargers taking an LT in the first, but, if Joeckel and Fisher are off the board, it should be BPA at 11.
Obviously, FA should help sort things out.

Are you on the Geno bandwagon?

No, I just like making extensive posts refuting peoples claims about the AirRaid being a gimmick and not using pro route combos and then providing pictures and GIFs to do so.

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 05:21 PM
No, I just like making extensive posts refuting peoples claims about the AirRaid being a gimmick and not using pro route combos and then providing pictures and GIFs to do so.

What are the tangibles you'd be looking for in a QB to run that offence?

SNR
01-31-2013, 05:24 PM
What are the tangibles you'd be looking for in a QB to run that offence?

Skin color. Preferably white.

Might accept an Asian. I hear they're pretty smart.

Sorter
01-31-2013, 05:25 PM
What are the tangibles you'd be looking for in a QB to run that offence?

wut?

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 05:29 PM
Dontari Poe is a ****ing adonis. I wouldn't call him fat.

Now Ryan Sims. THERE was a ****ing fatass.

So, was Nightfyre right about the meaning of your question? If so, I don't think that'll be an issue:
Here's the last 11 players taken with the 11th overall pick..
2012 - DT Dontari Poe.........KAN
2011 - DE J.J. Watt...........HOU
2010 - OT Anthony Davis.......SFO
2009 - DE Aaron Maybin........BUF
2008 - CB Leodis McKelvin.....BUF
2007 - LB Patrick Willis......SFO
2006 - QB Jay Cutler..........DEN
2005 - LB DeMarcus Ware.......DAL
2004 - QB Ben Roethlisberger..PIT
2003 - CB Marcus Trufant......SEA
2002 - DE Dwight Freeney......IND

Not too shabby with the exception of the BUF and KAN picks.

Sorter
01-31-2013, 05:33 PM
What are the tangibles you'd be looking for in a QB to run that offence?

Do you mean tangibles to run an AirRaid in college or Andy's WCO?

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 05:34 PM
wut?

Offense:
crime
wrongdoing
felony
evil doing
fault
transgression
misdemeanor

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 05:35 PM
Do you mean tangibles to run an AirRaid in college or Andy's WCO?

Yes.

Sorter
01-31-2013, 05:36 PM
Yes.

:clap:

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 05:40 PM
:clap:

When people ask me "Cash or Credit?", I always say "Yes".
Pick one...

Sorter
01-31-2013, 05:41 PM
When people ask me "Cash or Credit?", I always say "Yes".
Pick one...

cash?

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 05:43 PM
cash?

No, I meant AirRaid in college or Andy's WCO, (I believe I know the answer).

Sorter
01-31-2013, 05:58 PM
No, I meant AirRaid in college or Andy's WCO, (I believe I know the answer).

I'll humor you and go with AirRaid.

You're going to first need an accurate QB. Size isn't as important as you can incorporate wide sets from your OL ala Leach and create nice throwing lanes for undersized QBs. Additionally, arm strength (NFL style from far has to sideline) isn't a requisite as the majority of your plays that call for deep outs or comebacks are going to either be on the near side or on the far side but be closer via PA, roll-outs, boots, or scramble drills. You do need a snappy, quick release as most ARs utilize hots off of outs, slants, whips, and 9s down the seam. You'd ideally like a QB who has a quick enough release to take advantage of that.

You also need a smart QB that has an ability to understand fronts and probable coverages he's going to see based on D&D. Now, that is going to primarily be covered during the summer and during your game-planning/film breakdown, but you need a QB who is smart enough to understand what he's getting at the LOS and check into a play that utilizes a solid hot (If you have trips left, then Z slant vs overload right for example. Extremely simplified breakdown)

Additionally for the AirRaid, you're going to ideally have a QB that is mobile a bit. While the AirRaid doesn't typically call for a lot of scrambling or designed runs from the QB, the route concepts run typically have vertical principles (Smash, 3 and 4 verts, etc). By having a somewhat mobile QB, you can scramble against C5 and pick up nice chunks of yardage. Additionally, you'll force teams to spy and play single high, which opens up a lot of different things offensively.

Just a few things on the AirRaid from somebody who has already started drinking. :)

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 06:15 PM
I'll humor you and go with AirRaid.

You're going to first need an accurate QB. Size isn't as important as you can incorporate wide sets from your OL ala Leach and create nice throwing lanes for undersized QBs. Additionally, arm strength (NFL style from far has to sideline) isn't a requisite as the majority of your plays that call for deep outs or comebacks are going to either be on the near side or on the far side but be closer via PA, roll-outs, boots, or scramble drills. You do need a snappy, quick release as most ARs utilize hots off of outs, slants, whips, and 9s down the seam. You'd ideally like a QB who has a quick enough release to take advantage of that.

You also need a smart QB that has an ability to understand fronts and probable coverages he's going to see based on D&D. Now, that is going to primarily be covered during the summer and during your game-planning/film breakdown, but you need a QB who is smart enough to understand what he's getting at the LOS and check into a play that utilizes a solid hot (If you have trips left, then Z slant vs overload right for example. Extremely simplified breakdown)

Additionally for the AirRaid, you're going to ideally have a QB that is mobile a bit. While the AirRaid doesn't typically call for a lot of scrambling or designed runs from the QB, the route concepts run typically have vertical principles (Smash, 3 and 4 verts, etc). By having a somewhat mobile QB, you can scramble against C5 and pick up nice chunks of yardage. Additionally, you'll force teams to spy and play single high, which opens up a lot of different things offensively.

Just a few things on the AirRaid from somebody who has already started drinking. :)

Thanks for that. I was expecting your answer would be "Yes"...
Do you see a difference with Andy's WCO? I'm not that familiar with his style. The QB described in the AirRaid sounds like a Russell Wilson type. Does the Reid WCO require additional height or arm strength?

Sorter
01-31-2013, 06:31 PM
Reid's WCO is different than most WCOs (ala Bill Walsh, Childress, Shumur, etc) in that it primarily utilizes a ZB philosophy IIRC rather than the power scheme that most use. Additionally, Andy places an emphasis on deep RCs on much more plays than most traditional WCOs. (For example, a traditional WCO might typically run a slant/flat combo out of the I. Andy would incorporate a sluggo, corner, post, or post corner with the Z on the backside as opposed to having 2 slants).

The primary struggles IMO in trying to transition an AirRaid prospect to Andy's WCO would be the prospects accuracy (both down the field and in the short game), arm strength, and ability to sell the inside zone play and stretch play. Now, that requires A) A back worth respecting on the stretch play and B) A QB who is athletic enough to reach the 7 and sell the fake. Peyton Manning, for example isn't regarded as the best athlete in the world. However, that guy busts his fucking ass to sell the stretch play and it looks identical to when he runs PA off it. Incidentally, the Chiefs have A) A back that can make teams respect his abilities as a runner off said stretch play, B) and OL that is athletic enough to get out and ZB and also can pass protect fairly well, and hopefully C) a QB that is athletic enough to get to the 7, can sell the stretch play and then possess enough competency to complete throws vertically and then eat up check downs once teams key on the deeper throws.

To me, Geno fits this better than any QB available in this draft by far.

As to answer your question about Andy's WCO wanting additional height/AS, I think he likes having strong armed QBs as they open up his running game after a few attempts down the field. As for height, I don't think so. IIRC, both Garcia and Vick were under 6'1 and that didn't hinder their production too greatly.

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 06:48 PM
Reid's WCO is different than most WCOs (ala Bill Walsh, Childress, Shumur, etc) in that it primarily utilizes a ZB philosophy IIRC rather than the power scheme that most use. Additionally, Andy places an emphasis on deep RCs on much more plays than most traditional WCOs. (For example, a traditional WCO might typically run a slant/flat combo out of the I. Andy would incorporate a sluggo, corner, post, or post corner with the Z on the backside as opposed to having 2 slants).

The primary struggles IMO in trying to transition an AirRaid prospect to Andy's WCO would be the prospects accuracy (both down the field and in the short game), arm strength, and ability to sell the inside zone play and stretch play. Now, that requires A) A back worth respecting on the stretch play and B) A QB who is athletic enough to reach the 7 and sell the fake. Peyton Manning, for example isn't regarded as the best athlete in the world. However, that guy busts his ****ing ass to sell the stretch play and it looks identical to when he runs PA off it. Incidentally, the Chiefs have A) A back that can make teams respect his abilities as a runner off said stretch play, B) and OL that is athletic enough to get out and ZB and also can pass protect fairly well, and hopefully C) a QB that is athletic enough to get to the 7, can sell the stretch play and then possess enough competency to complete throws vertically and then eat up check downs once teams key on the deeper throws.

To me, Geno fits this better than any QB available in this draft by far.

As to answer your question about Andy's WCO wanting additional height/AS, I think he likes having strong armed QBs as they open up his running game after a few attempts down the field. As for height, I don't think so. IIRC, both Garcia and Vick were under 6'1 and that didn't hinder their production too greatly.

So, if the Chiefs drafted Geno No.1 or if they signed Alex Smith as a FA and drafted a QB to groom in the 3rd, you would be fine with either scenario...
I get it...

Sorter
01-31-2013, 06:54 PM
So, if the Chiefs drafted Geno No.1 or if they signed Alex Smith as a FA and drafted a QB to groom in the 3rd, you would be fine with either scenario...
I get it...


Fuck no. Alex has poor accuracy down the field and is a stop gap at best. IMO, we already know what his ceiling is. I don't want a Qb like that when Geno's available. Additionally, there is no QB that is going to be available IMO that has a high ceiling and fits our needs offensively.

Gadzooks
01-31-2013, 07:10 PM
You've been outed!!! You're on the bandwagon!!!
Alex Smith's a victim of circumstance. He's always been a threat for 7 and no one, to this day, knows how good he can be. He's had 72 OCs in the past 4 years and he's had Michael Crapandpee as his No 1 WR over that same time.
Crapandpee gets his head out of his ass this season, Smith gets a concussion, and Krapinneck is going to the SB.
If I'm a Chief fan I'm looking at the other Smith (Alex) this off-season... or Matt Cassel...:)

SNR
01-31-2013, 11:41 PM
You've been outed!!! You're on the bandwagon!!!
Alex Smith's a victim of circumstance. He's always been a threat for 7 and no one, to this day, knows how good he can be. He's had 72 OCs in the past 4 years and he's had Michael Crapandpee as his No 1 WR over that same time.
Crapandpee gets his head out of his ass this season, Smith gets a concussion, and Krapinneck is going to the SB.
If I'm a Chief fan I'm looking at the other Smith (Alex) this off-season... or Matt Cassel...:)

If I'm a Chargers fan I'm sad that I have to live with Phil Rivers for God knows how long