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RunKC
02-02-2013, 04:09 PM
Yeah I know Lewis wasn't a SS, but he'll be replaced and Berry is better served playing FS covering the deep ball, so obviously we need a SS. Who do you like in the draft?

I personally like Bacarri Rambo from Georgia. Zeke Motta, Phillip Thomas and DJ Swearinger look like good options too.

Thoughts?

Chocolate Hog
02-02-2013, 08:30 PM
Leave Berry where he is.

chiefscafan
02-02-2013, 08:37 PM
I would get tj McDonald if he is there

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-02-2013, 09:14 PM
I know we all like the idea of Berry as an Ed Reed type centerfielding ballhawk, but we may have to come to grips with the fact that he can't cover for shit. At this point, he's a better version of Roy Williams.

Demonpenz
02-02-2013, 09:15 PM
I'll take Berry being a pollard type of player

ChiefRocka
02-02-2013, 09:23 PM
I'll take Berry being a pollard type of player

this post make me sad

BossChief
02-02-2013, 10:08 PM
I know we all like the idea of Berry as an Ed Reed type centerfielding ballhawk, but we may have to come to grips with the fact that he can't cover for shit. At this point, he's a better version of Roy Williams.

Berry was just fine until Kiffen got ahold of him.

He was a game breaker.

As soon as Kiffen got there and tried to make him a linebacker, his playmaking/game changing ability went south.

2 years before Kiffen:
12 ints
3 tds
487 int return yards

Year with Kiffen:
2 ints
7yards

Kiffen moved him into the box more and took away his speed and ball skills.

I think he needs to go back to what made him a star.

Wilson8
02-02-2013, 11:10 PM
William Moore Atlanta if you move Berry to FS.

Jairus Byrd Buffalo if you keep Berry at SS.

If KC uses the draft to improve their safety position, Duke Williams Nevada or Jonathan Cyprien Florida International might be drafted in the 4th or 5th rounds.

BossChief
02-03-2013, 12:25 AM
I'd be ecstatic if we signed Moore or Byrd.

Ace Gunner
02-03-2013, 07:10 AM
Berry was just fine until Kiffen got ahold of him.

He was a game breaker.

As soon as Kiffen got there and tried to make him a linebacker, his playmaking/game changing ability went south.

2 years before Kiffen:
12 ints
3 tds
487 int return yards

Year with Kiffen:
2 ints
7yards

Kiffen moved him into the box more and took away his speed and ball skills.

I think he needs to go back to what made him a star.

This is not true.

First, Monty Kiffin runs a Tampa 2 defense as we all know, and this style puts both safeties deep, putting more area in the zone of LB's, who also play deeper than normal.

2nd, because Berry was in cover 2 this splits the field, leaving him to cover one side, normally the #1 WR side of the field. Teams did not throw at Berry that final season because he was such a ball hawk. Hence, the stats fell, but Berry played some good ball that senior season, most experts agree.

3rd, if you slide the safety into the box, you are playing Buddy Ryan's 46 defense. This defensive style is only used during 3rd and short situations, if at all.

When I read posts (not yours) claiming "Berry should be that 46 defensive player" yadayada, I just laugh at the stupidity. That alignment is a situational alignment. Not a base defense.

RUSH
02-03-2013, 08:09 AM
DJ Swearinger is a personal favorite of mine if the Chiefs go this route. Big hitter, versatile, sure tackler and good in coverage. Was asked to pretty much do everything at South Carolina and didn't miss a beat.

I'd say the Chiefs can probably get him in the 3rd. Might go a little earlier if he runs well.

This safety class is a great one. Lewis should be able to be replaced fairly easily. A lot of them are poor tacklers though so that's a big reason I like Swearinger.

RUSH
02-03-2013, 08:15 AM
William Moore Atlanta if you move Berry to FS.

Jairus Byrd Buffalo if you keep Berry at SS.

If KC uses the draft to improve their safety position, Duke Williams Nevada or Jonathan Cyprien Florida International might be drafted in the 4th or 5th rounds.

Idk man Cyrpien was great at the senior bowl and seems to have a lot of buzz after. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cyrpien go in the late first. 2nd rounder at worst imo.

BossChief
02-03-2013, 12:42 PM
This is not true.

First, Monty Kiffin runs a Tampa 2 defense as we all know, and this style puts both safeties deep, putting more area in the zone of LB's, who also play deeper than normal.

2nd, because Berry was in cover 2 this splits the field, leaving him to cover one side, normally the #1 WR side of the field. Teams did not throw at Berry that final season because he was such a ball hawk. Hence, the stats fell, but Berry played some good ball that senior season, most experts agree.

3rd, if you slide the safety into the box, you are playing Buddy Ryan's 46 defense. This defensive style is only used during 3rd and short situations, if at all.

When I read posts (not yours) claiming "Berry should be that 46 defensive player" yadayada, I just laugh at the stupidity. That alignment is a situational alignment. Not a base defense.

You dont watch college football. Don't act like you do.

Kiffen didn't run his standard Tampa 2 at Tennessee and he absolutely did use Berry as a box safety/extra linebacker.

Ace Gunner
02-03-2013, 01:50 PM
well you are correct he did not line them up the way it was back in the day, but Berry played mostly cover 2 and made his tackles from that split safety position.

I did watch a few games that season and what was good about Berry was his jump on the play and his speed coming down to make some big hits and tackles. As we recall, Berry's question mark was whether he would stop the hitting and wrap up.

Nightfyre
02-03-2013, 02:58 PM
I will be interested to see how good our players suddenly seem with legitimate coaching and a better scheme design. I bet they turn Berry loose a little bit, allowing him to play more instinctively.

ArrowheadMagic
02-03-2013, 05:00 PM
Idk man Cyrpien was great at the senior bowl and seems to have a lot of buzz after. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cyrpien go in the late first. 2nd rounder at worst imo.

Yeah highly possible, going to be a solid player. Though I think a FA safety and drafting a corner is a better play.

Shox
02-03-2013, 08:13 PM
S should be addressed in FA. There are a lot of safties on the FA market. QB, WR, LB, DE are all bigger needs which need to filled with the top of the draft.

RustShack
02-04-2013, 12:08 AM
Taylor Mays?

Chocolate Hog
02-04-2013, 12:25 AM
Taylor Mays?

So we can play 2 safeties who cant cover? Wtf

RustShack
02-04-2013, 01:40 AM
So we can play 2 safeties who cant cover? Wtf

It's kinda like Trevor Laws or Aaron Curry... Sometimes you have to throw those names out for a few people.

htismaqe
02-04-2013, 09:15 AM
It's kinda like Trevor Laws or Aaron Curry... Sometimes you have to throw those names out for a few people.

Trevor Laws...

ROFL ROFL ROFL

SNR
02-04-2013, 10:52 AM
Trevor Laws...

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Don't laugh. He was an Andy Reid pick.

BossChief
02-04-2013, 11:45 AM
well you are correct he did not line them up the way it was back in the day, but Berry played mostly cover 2 and made his tackles from that split safety position.

I did watch a few games that season and what was good about Berry was his jump on the play and his speed coming down to make some big hits and tackles. As we recall, Berry's question mark was whether he would stop the hitting and wrap up.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/316207-vols-star-eric-berry-apparently-bound-for-nfl

From what Ive seen they use him more like a linebacker,
putting him in the box, Virginia Tech quarterback Tyrod Taylor
said. "Hes a big hitter. Hes strong in defending the running
game.

We know he can run the field and he does cover the field well.
But as far as the tapes Ive seen, hes down playing linebacker
and he gets to the ball quick.

BossChief
02-04-2013, 11:48 AM
Don't laugh. He was an Andy Reid pick.

That's why Clark hired him, but gave personnel control to Dorsey.

chop
02-04-2013, 06:18 PM
Is DeQuan Menzie a CB or a safety? He is listed as a CB but I thought they talked about making him a safety before he went on IR.

Sorter
02-04-2013, 07:04 PM
Is DeQuan Menzie a CB or a safety? He is listed as a CB but I thought they talked about making him a safety before he went on IR.

Probably best served as a safety IMO.

O.city
02-04-2013, 07:07 PM
I'd like to get another safety who can cover, but is adept at filling up front and stopping the run. Versatility.

mdchiefsfan
02-05-2013, 05:59 AM
Leave Berry where he is.

Nickel LB?

Ace Gunner
02-05-2013, 07:11 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/316207-vols-star-eric-berry-apparently-bound-for-nfl

From what Ive seen they use him more like a linebacker,
putting him in the box, Virginia Tech quarterback Tyrod Taylor
said. "Hes a big hitter. Hes strong in defending the running
game.

We know he can run the field and he does cover the field well.
But as far as the tapes Ive seen, hes down playing linebacker
and he gets to the ball quick.

1) you quote "Bleacher" yet you have negged folks and chastised them for referencing Bleacher. hilarious.

2) if you are suggesting this report states he plays in the box in a base defense, it's hilarious .

3) if you had quoted the entire article, you'd have revealed what I have pointed out to you.

BossChief
02-05-2013, 12:02 PM
1) you quote "Bleacher" yet you have negged folks and chastised them for referencing Bleacher. hilarious.

2) if you are suggesting this report states he plays in the box in a base defense, it's hilarious .

3) if you had quoted the entire article, you'd have revealed what I have pointed out to you.

You're a fucking moron. Seriously.

The only reason I posted anything from Bleacherreport was because it had direct quotes froma player that he faced and who made quotes about how Berry was being used.

I'll post some other links that show how you're wrong if you want.

Eric Berry was used by Romeo Crennel similarly to how Kiffen used him. I watched damn near every Tennessee game of his career, you obviously didn't.

ncCHIEFfan
02-05-2013, 12:10 PM
Leave Berry where he is.

Where is he.....Nickle LB..?

fairladyZ
02-05-2013, 02:21 PM
he keeps bulking up like this and he maybe our next ILB!

http://instagram.com/p/VXIvoJzFNB/