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cyborgtable
02-03-2013, 11:07 AM
I'm not a conspiracy nut by any stretch of the imagination but my wife linked me this video and I think it warrants a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrngdgUixYg

RedDread
02-03-2013, 11:11 AM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/Fooster/1358463425313_zps694a2cec.gif

HotCarl
02-03-2013, 11:11 AM
I heard that 9/11 was a controlled demolition too. The planes had no windows and no passengers, not even a crew. They were remote controlled.

58-4ever
02-03-2013, 11:13 AM
This theory is ridiculous. What are you implying here?

Dave Lane
02-03-2013, 11:14 AM
Como level failure, wow and in the lounge even where everyone can witness your dumbassery. Brave fucking soul.

Dave Lane
02-03-2013, 11:15 AM
This theory is ridiculous. What are you implying here?

ComoChief has spent days obsessing on this in DC. When he's on your side in an argument you should know to fold.

Mr. Laz
02-03-2013, 11:16 AM
lemme guess ... the government staged Sandy hook stuff to try and get your guns?

DA_T_84
02-03-2013, 11:16 AM
Fuck you.

Off to DC.

|Zach|
02-03-2013, 11:16 AM
Nope.

Dave Lane
02-03-2013, 11:16 AM
Oh and OP is from someone in Kentucky, surprising?

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-03-2013, 11:17 AM
Wow....just wow people are silly

Count Alex's Losses
02-03-2013, 11:17 AM
The conspiracy isn't ridiculous.

Why was there a website registered for donations to support the victims BEFORE the tragedy happened?

R8RFAN
02-03-2013, 11:18 AM
All I want to know is who was it they tackled in the woods and why was he running

Count Alex's Losses
02-03-2013, 11:18 AM
This page was created on the tenth. 4 days before the shooting happened. Now tell me. If it was so sudden, how was there a fundraiser already setup?

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/United-Way-of-Western-Connecticut.jpg

http://crossedshadows.com/undeniableproof.png

Reaper16
02-03-2013, 11:19 AM
http://i.imgur.com/wVrWoUA.gif

CaliforniaChief
02-03-2013, 11:20 AM
I heard that Chiefs Planet was set up as a shadow organization by Clark Hunt behind which he could manipulate fan opinion and that 4 weeks before the season started, he invested millions in banner-flying airplane companies.

PR_Capone is actually Norma Hunt, and Marty Mac 2.0 is Lamar Hunt. Yes, THE Lamar Hunt. His death was a hoax perpetrated by Josh Looney...only beknownst to Kent Babb. Of course, when Babb was about to go public he got a "better job" in Washington, DC. and Clark sold Looney to the NCAA for $5,000,000 and the story was protected.

Today? The banner guy is in the witness protection program, and all is well.

I saw a video on YouTube that proved it all.

HAARP FTMFW!

loochy
02-03-2013, 11:23 AM
EYE HERD THAT TEH GUBERNMENT IS CUNTROLLED BYE ALEIENS AND OBAMA IS TEH HEAD LIZARD ALIEN AND HE SHAPE SHIFTS

digger
02-03-2013, 11:23 AM
Off to DC.

bevischief
02-03-2013, 11:25 AM
They are too many things not too think about.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-03-2013, 11:25 AM
Have fun gang!

HotCarl
02-03-2013, 11:26 AM
Will you summarize this? I'm not spending 30 minutes on it, I've got a pizza in the oven.

|Zach|
02-03-2013, 11:27 AM
They are too many things not too think about.

There aren't.

cyborgtable
02-03-2013, 11:29 AM
Will you summarize this? I'm not spending 30 minutes on it, I've got a pizza in the oven.

The weapon the medical examiner said killed the victims was found in the trunk of the shooters car while 4 handguns were found inside the school with the shooter. Video of the police chasing someone in the woods behind the school. A fundraising site for the victims of the shooting was created before the shooting occurred. One of the dead children never appeared on any class photos and a picture of her was taken with Obama after she died.

candyman
02-03-2013, 11:30 AM
Everything in this video has already been debunked. http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles discussing these discrepancies. What is known for sure is he carried at least 2 handguns into the school and had a shotgun in his car. The discrepancies come in when talking about the other weapons, some sources claim it was a Bushmaster AR-15, others claim it was 2 additional pistols and the AR was left in the trunk with the shotgun. Recent reports have concluded that the shooter did in fact carry 2 pistols and a Bushmaster AR-15 into the school with him. The video just merges all of these conflicting reports to say how the story doesn't make sense. This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, just terrible reporting and fact checking.

Update: The State Police released a new report today January 22nd, 2013 (over a month after the shooting and a week after my post)...to clear up confusion around the conflicting reports. source

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they think of their loved one, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways and we have no idea what's going through this mans mind. Maybe he was thinking of his daughters smile as she woke up every day, and it made him smile, then he was told he's about to go live, so he snapped back to reality. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emilie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Here is a picture comparing the two, notice how similar Emilie from 2 years ago looks to Madeline now http://contrailscience.com/skitch/4way-comparison-emilie-madison-20130109-174543.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd,erEJG

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-official-says-gunman-killed-85094.html

Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. A fellow redditor describes here that based on the position of the sun in the sky, this video was shot well in the afternoon, 6-7 hours after the shooting took place. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well damn, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17

In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CACBCCCDCE83CDCACA

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Theory 9: "Sandy Hook Conspiracy Actress"... this picture has been making the rounds: http://imgur.com/r/conspiracy/5sdWN it's grainy and taken from a single angle (probably because the intent is to deceive) ... some quick digging and higher quality pictures shows these are clearly 2 different people: http://i.imgur.com/f4AC8.jpg

LiveSteam
02-03-2013, 11:32 AM
Last Saturday. In several major cities . The DHS (any sitting presidents own personal army)
Used scare tactics. Firing blank ammo out of choppers. IMO this was an answer to many sheriffs around the country telling Obama they will not enforce his gun ban
Nothing to see here. (9billion rounds of ammo that is banned by NATO)
Move along

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127 mark on this vid. You can hear the gun fire

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unnecessary drama
02-03-2013, 11:41 AM
Everything in this video has already been debunked. http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles discussing these discrepancies. What is known for sure is he carried at least 2 handguns into the school and had a shotgun in his car. The discrepancies come in when talking about the other weapons, some sources claim it was a Bushmaster AR-15, others claim it was 2 additional pistols and the AR was left in the trunk with the shotgun. Recent reports have concluded that the shooter did in fact carry 2 pistols and a Bushmaster AR-15 into the school with him. The video just merges all of these conflicting reports to say how the story doesn't make sense. This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, just terrible reporting and fact checking.

Update: The State Police released a new report today January 22nd, 2013 (over a month after the shooting and a week after my post)...to clear up confusion around the conflicting reports. source

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they think of their loved one, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways and we have no idea what's going through this mans mind. Maybe he was thinking of his daughters smile as she woke up every day, and it made him smile, then he was told he's about to go live, so he snapped back to reality. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emilie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Here is a picture comparing the two, notice how similar Emilie from 2 years ago looks to Madeline now http://contrailscience.com/skitch/4way-comparison-emilie-madison-20130109-174543.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd,erEJG

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-official-says-gunman-killed-85094.html

Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. A fellow redditor describes here that based on the position of the sun in the sky, this video was shot well in the afternoon, 6-7 hours after the shooting took place. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well damn, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17

In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CACBCCCDCE83CDCACA

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Theory 9: "Sandy Hook Conspiracy Actress"... this picture has been making the rounds: http://imgur.com/r/conspiracy/5sdWN it's grainy and taken from a single angle (probably because the intent is to deceive) ... some quick digging and higher quality pictures shows these are clearly 2 different people: http://i.imgur.com/f4AC8.jpg

:clap:

|Zach|
02-03-2013, 11:41 AM
Everything in this video has already been debunked. http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles discussing these discrepancies. What is known for sure is he carried at least 2 handguns into the school and had a shotgun in his car. The discrepancies come in when talking about the other weapons, some sources claim it was a Bushmaster AR-15, others claim it was 2 additional pistols and the AR was left in the trunk with the shotgun. Recent reports have concluded that the shooter did in fact carry 2 pistols and a Bushmaster AR-15 into the school with him. The video just merges all of these conflicting reports to say how the story doesn't make sense. This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, just terrible reporting and fact checking.

Update: The State Police released a new report today January 22nd, 2013 (over a month after the shooting and a week after my post)...to clear up confusion around the conflicting reports. source

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they think of their loved one, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways and we have no idea what's going through this mans mind. Maybe he was thinking of his daughters smile as she woke up every day, and it made him smile, then he was told he's about to go live, so he snapped back to reality. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emilie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Here is a picture comparing the two, notice how similar Emilie from 2 years ago looks to Madeline now http://contrailscience.com/skitch/4way-comparison-emilie-madison-20130109-174543.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd,erEJG

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-official-says-gunman-killed-85094.html

Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. A fellow redditor describes here that based on the position of the sun in the sky, this video was shot well in the afternoon, 6-7 hours after the shooting took place. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well damn, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17

In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CACBCCCDCE83CDCACA

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Theory 9: "Sandy Hook Conspiracy Actress"... this picture has been making the rounds: http://imgur.com/r/conspiracy/5sdWN it's grainy and taken from a single angle (probably because the intent is to deceive) ... some quick digging and higher quality pictures shows these are clearly 2 different people: http://i.imgur.com/f4AC8.jpg

:thumb:

BigRedChief
02-03-2013, 11:49 AM
This page was created on the tenth. 4 days before the shooting happened. Now tell me. If it was so sudden, how was there a fundraiser already setup?

http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/United-Way-of-Western-Connecticut.jpg

http://crossedshadows.com/undeniableproof.pngcome on man. Your internet savvy. The google time and date stamps are sometimes wrong. The government killed 20+ kindergarten kids for political purposes? :shake:

cyborgtable
02-03-2013, 11:49 AM
Everything in this video has already been debunked. http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles discussing these discrepancies. What is known for sure is he carried at least 2 handguns into the school and had a shotgun in his car. The discrepancies come in when talking about the other weapons, some sources claim it was a Bushmaster AR-15, others claim it was 2 additional pistols and the AR was left in the trunk with the shotgun. Recent reports have concluded that the shooter did in fact carry 2 pistols and a Bushmaster AR-15 into the school with him. The video just merges all of these conflicting reports to say how the story doesn't make sense. This isn't evidence of a conspiracy, just terrible reporting and fact checking.

Update: The State Police released a new report today January 22nd, 2013 (over a month after the shooting and a week after my post)...to clear up confusion around the conflicting reports. source

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they think of their loved one, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways and we have no idea what's going through this mans mind. Maybe he was thinking of his daughters smile as she woke up every day, and it made him smile, then he was told he's about to go live, so he snapped back to reality. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emilie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Here is a picture comparing the two, notice how similar Emilie from 2 years ago looks to Madeline now http://contrailscience.com/skitch/4way-comparison-emilie-madison-20130109-174543.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd,erEJG

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-official-says-gunman-killed-85094.html

Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. A fellow redditor describes here that based on the position of the sun in the sky, this video was shot well in the afternoon, 6-7 hours after the shooting took place. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well damn, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: http://imgur.com/a/U6wWH

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17

In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CACBCCCDCE83CDCACA

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Theory 9: "Sandy Hook Conspiracy Actress"... this picture has been making the rounds: http://imgur.com/r/conspiracy/5sdWN it's grainy and taken from a single angle (probably because the intent is to deceive) ... some quick digging and higher quality pictures shows these are clearly 2 different people: http://i.imgur.com/f4AC8.jpg

I look like an idiot now, thanks for posting. and next time il have to do my homework

Captain Obvious
02-03-2013, 12:09 PM
I look like an idiot now, thanks for posting. and next time il have to do my homework

Nah, you looked like an idiot the second you posted this thread.

candyman
02-03-2013, 12:41 PM
I look like an idiot now, thanks for posting. and next time il have to do my homework

No worries, the first time I watched the video you posted I was shocked too. They do make a pretty convincing argument until you start doing some research.

LiveSteam
02-03-2013, 12:48 PM
I love living in THE UNITED STATES OF COINCIDENCE.

cosmo20002
02-03-2013, 01:25 PM
I'm not a conspiracy nut by any stretch of the imagination but my wife linked me this video and I think it warrants a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrngdgUixYg

First, repost.

Second, you're stupid.

Actually, "you're stupid" should be first.

cosmo20002
02-03-2013, 01:30 PM
No worries, the first time I watched the video you posted I was shocked too. They do make a pretty convincing argument until you start doing some research.

It's always pretty easy to tell a convincing story when the storyteller isn't bound by facts and feels free to make shit up. Also helps when the storyteller has a group of morons ready and willing to believe anything that plays to their conspiracy fantasies.

Pitt Gorilla
02-03-2013, 01:37 PM
No worries, the first time I watched the video you posted I was shocked too. They do make a pretty convincing argument until you start doing some research.i doubt too many people are convinced by that.

Brainiac
02-03-2013, 01:37 PM
I look like an idiot now, thanks for posting. and next time il have to do my homework
It's refreshing to see someone actually it when they find out they were wrong about something. Most of the assholes around here would die before they'd make such an admission.

Rep.

cosmo20002
02-03-2013, 01:40 PM
It's refreshing to see someone actually it when they find out they were wrong about something. Most of the assholes around here would die before they'd make such an admission.


I agree.

/petegz28

Hog Farmer
02-03-2013, 02:58 PM
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RyFo18
02-03-2013, 03:14 PM
If you take everything that doesn't add up as the video presents it, then yes, you have a conspiracy theory. You can do this with any tragedy.

Now go look at all the overwhelming evidence that this did happen and you can quickly be assured that this tragedy did happen.

Hog Farmer
02-03-2013, 03:18 PM
If you take everything that doesn't add up as the video presents it, then yes, you have a conspiracy theory. You can do this with any tragedy.

Now go look at all the overwhelming evidence that this did happen and you can quickly be assured that this tragedy did happen.

Then how do you explain the facebook fund for donations being set up BEFORE the event took place.
And how do you explain the Medical examiner just so happens to be the fireman from the ONLY fire truck on site that says DETROIT on the side .

RyFo18
02-03-2013, 03:38 PM
Then how do you explain the facebook fund for donations being set up BEFORE the event took place.
And how do you explain the Medical examiner just so happens to be the fireman from the ONLY fire truck on site that says DETROIT on the side .

The Facebook accounts were likely created as other groups and then renamed. You'll tell me that's unlikely. So is the government or some other organization faking a tragedy that involved 26 people being killed at a school.

As far as the medical examiner, I see no definitive evidence that's even him. Is it crazy to think that the medical examiner could wear that clothing? Looks like he's wearing sunglasses in the other picture.

When you take subtle things out of context of the whole event, you can paint a picture that it was all a hoax. I can't argue this nonsense anymore. Enjoy your conspiracy theories folks.

Dave Lane
02-03-2013, 04:02 PM
Then how do you explain the facebook fund for donations being set up BEFORE the event took place.
And how do you explain the Medical examiner just so happens to be the fireman from the ONLY fire truck on site that says DETROIT on the side .

Learn to read. Thats how.

Hog Farmer
02-05-2013, 03:13 PM
I wonder if these were the same actors that faked 9-11

loochy
02-05-2013, 03:15 PM
Did anyone ever notice that Sandy Hook spelled backwards is Kooh Ydnas, which is jibberish for BARACK OBAMA!?!?!?!

cosmo20002
02-05-2013, 03:25 PM
Did anyone ever notice that Sandy Hook spelled backwards is Kooh Ydnas, which is jibberish for BARACK OBAMA!?!?!?!

"Sandy" and "Obama" both have five letters, and "Hook" is a type of shot in Obama's favorite sport, basketball. Freaky when you think about it.

Amnorix
02-05-2013, 03:25 PM
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Then how do you explain the facebook fund for donations being set up BEFORE the event took place.
And how do you explain the Medical examiner just so happens to be the fireman from the ONLY fire truck on site that says DETROIT on the side .


My God, he's also the guy who owns a boat on Bering Sea Gold, proving that that show is also rigged and fake. Maybe the same production crew was used to fool the world at Sandy Hook!!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGYXDB99vBAII4SIOPiEtYe-Xk7XsQ1A-pzqDBh3dUjlr0aG7m

cosmo20002
02-05-2013, 03:27 PM
My God, he's also the guy who owns a boat on Bering Sea Gold, proving that that show is also rigged and fake. Maybe the same production crew was used to fool the world at Sandy Hook!!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGYXDB99vBAII4SIOPiEtYe-Xk7XsQ1A-pzqDBh3dUjlr0aG7m

Vern! LMAO

listopencil
02-05-2013, 03:30 PM
My God, he's also the guy who owns a boat on Bering Sea Gold, proving that that show is also rigged and fake. Maybe the same production crew was used to fool the world at Sandy Hook!!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGYXDB99vBAII4SIOPiEtYe-Xk7XsQ1A-pzqDBh3dUjlr0aG7m


http://img.youtube.com/vi/qtxqFZbyzS0/0.jpg


When he was younger (before he wore glasses) he acted in several movies and was the voice of Frosty the Snowman. He has at least four names. Fake!

cosmo20002
02-05-2013, 03:33 PM
http://img.youtube.com/vi/qtxqFZbyzS0/0.jpg


When he was younger (before he wore glasses) he acted in several movies and was the voice of Frosty the Snowman. He has at least four names. Fake!

Good catch. Come to think of it, I see that medical examiner/firefighter at the mall every December. Has to be him, cause he's wearing a red hat, coat and pants as a disguise.

cosmo20002
02-05-2013, 03:37 PM
The "medical examiner" also played a doctor on TV. Busted!

RedNeckRaider
02-05-2013, 03:54 PM
http://img.youtube.com/vi/qtxqFZbyzS0/0.jpg


When he was younger (before he wore glasses) he acted in several movies and was the voice of Frosty the Snowman. He has at least four names. Fake!

LMAO

listopencil
02-05-2013, 03:55 PM
The "medical examiner" also played a doctor on TV. Busted!

He's also thought to have had military training, and he's a known associate of an infamous liberal charlatan:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Alan_Alda_by_Bridget_Laudien.jpg/398px-Alan_Alda_by_Bridget_Laudien.jpg

RedNeckRaider
02-05-2013, 04:01 PM
He's also thought to have had military training, and he's a known associate of an infamous liberal charlatan:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Alan_Alda_by_Bridget_Laudien.jpg/398px-Alan_Alda_by_Bridget_Laudien.jpg

Back off! Hawk eye served in the Korean War 9 years longer than the war lasted~

listopencil
02-05-2013, 04:05 PM
Back off! Hawk eye served in the Korean War 9 years longer than the war lasted~

OK, I admit it. You got me. I'm a government plant. My purpose is to break up discussions on the internet when people catch on to the lies. I jump in and muddy the waters when you get too close to the truth. I apologize to you all. It's true. Every single word of it.

RedNeckRaider
02-05-2013, 04:08 PM
OK, I admit it. You got me. I'm a government plant. My purpose is to break up discussions on the internet when people catch on to the lies. I jump in and muddy the waters when you get too close to the truth. I apologize to you all. It's true. Every single word of it.

Dude I'm the one out of line! I should have called you on the red phone and talked you into deleting the post. As a quadruple secret Alex Jones op I should have followed protocol~

listopencil
02-05-2013, 04:10 PM
Dude I the one out of line! I should have called you on the red phone and talked you into deleting the post. As a quadruple secret Alex Jones op I should have followed protocol~

It's cool. They'll never believe me. They probably think this is a joke.

RedNeckRaider
02-05-2013, 04:32 PM
It's cool. They'll never believe me. They probably think this is a joke.

Alex and I joke about this place all the time at the compound~

ClevelandBronco
02-05-2013, 04:46 PM
I'm not a conspiracy nut by any stretch of the imagination but my wife linked me this video and I think it warrants a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrngdgUixYg

If you'll promise to kill yourself, I'll promise to swear that the government did it.

RedNeckRaider
02-05-2013, 05:01 PM
If you'll promise to kill yourself, I'll promise to swear that the government did it.

Are you an op also?

listopencil
02-05-2013, 05:03 PM
Are you an op also?

He's the new Chinese guy. Very hush-hush.

Aries Walker
02-05-2013, 05:45 PM
First, repost.

Second, you're stupid.

Actually, "you're stupid" should be first.

Bad form, cosmo. Calling the OP stupid an hour and a half after he, having read the complete destruction of his post, admitted he was wrong - an action which, as has been noted, is a welcome rarity around here - is both unnecessary and uncool.

cosmo20002
02-05-2013, 06:42 PM
Bad form, cosmo. Calling the OP stupid an hour and a half after he, having read the complete destruction of his post, admitted he was wrong - an action which, as has been noted, is a welcome rarity around here - is both unnecessary and uncool.

You're a softie. I probably posted upon reading post #1. Anyway, anyone who even entertains these 'the govt did it' conspiracy theories for a minute about Sandy Hook is a fucking moron.

Someone else commented, "They do make a pretty convincing argument until you start doing some research." No, they don't. The "grieving parents" were actually actors? "Dead kids" later met with Obama? Oops, they sure goofed up there. JFC. You want to be the resident scold to shame the meanies? I think you should pick a different topic.

Hog Farmer
02-05-2013, 07:40 PM
You're a softie. I probably posted upon reading post #1. Anyway, anyone who even entertains these 'the govt did it' conspiracy theories for a minute about Sandy Hook is a ****ing moron.

Someone else commented, "They do make a pretty convincing argument until you start doing some research." No, they don't. The "grieving parents" were actually actors? "Dead kids" later met with Obama? Oops, they sure goofed up there. JFC. You want to be the resident scold to shame the meanies? I think you should pick a different topic.


Then how do you explain the fact that NONE of the childrens bodies have been viewed. Even by the parents ??????

listopencil
02-05-2013, 08:05 PM
Then how do you explain the fact that NONE of the childrens bodies have been viewed. Even by the parents ??????

They did autopsies, then stitched the little kids up as best they could to hide the gruesome injuries, before having the parents identify the corpses. I don't really have a problem with that. Here are some articles mentioning the process of identification:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248484/Sandy-Hook-Elementary-shooting-One-thousand-mourners-gather-outside-Newtown-church-tear-filled-candlelight-ceremony.html

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/287233/250/Sandy-Hook-victims-identified-bodies-removed-

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121215/sandy-hook-shooting-victims-bodies-identified-videos

http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-shooting-victims-identified-ana-marquez-greene-jesse-lewis-grace-mcdonnell/

http://cncnws.com/blog/2012/12/15/parents-being-called-in-one-by-one-to-positively-identify-bodies-of-children-after-tragic-shooting-after-hundreds-gather-for-candlelight-vigil/

http://newtown.patch.com/articles/police-no-motive-emerging-in-newtown-school-shooting

Hog Farmer
02-05-2013, 08:10 PM
They did autopsies, then stitched the little kids up as best they could to hide the gruesome injuries, before having the parents identify the corpses. I don't really have a problem with that. Here are some articles mentioning the process of identification:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248484/Sandy-Hook-Elementary-shooting-One-thousand-mourners-gather-outside-Newtown-church-tear-filled-candlelight-ceremony.html


http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/287233/250/Sandy-Hook-victims-identified-bodies-removed-

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121215/sandy-hook-shooting-victims-bodies-identified-videos

http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-shooting-victims-identified-ana-marquez-greene-jesse-lewis-grace-mcdonnell/

http://cncnws.com/blog/2012/12/15/parents-being-called-in-one-by-one-to-positively-identify-bodies-of-children-after-tragic-shooting-after-hundreds-gather-for-candlelight-vigil/

http://newtown.patch.com/articles/police-no-motive-emerging-in-newtown-school-shooting


I'm sure those are all lies by actors. Thanks for taking the time to find those links though. I'll check them out later after I sleep tonight and then go to work tomorrow and then sleep tomorrow night. If I get time.

listopencil
02-05-2013, 08:15 PM
I'm sure those are all lies by actors. Thanks for taking the time to find those links though. I'll check them out later after I sleep tonight and then go to work tomorrow and then sleep tomorrow night. If I get time.

Nah, no problem, it only took Google something like 0.34 seconds to find those articles. But by all means don't waste that 0.34 seconds that you could be using to jack off pigs. You gotta live your life.

Hog Farmer
02-05-2013, 08:18 PM
Nah, no problem, it only took Google something like 0.34 seconds to find those articles. But by all means don't waste that 0.34 seconds that you could be using to jack off pigs. You gotta live your life.


LMAO

ClevelandBronco
02-05-2013, 08:21 PM
And how do you explain the Medical examiner just so happens to be the fireman from the ONLY fire truck on site that says DETROIT on the side .

(If they are the same guy,) Sandy Hook has a volunteer fire and rescue department. A lot of guys who do other stuff answer the bell.

http://www.sandyhookfire.com/

cosmo20002
02-05-2013, 10:42 PM
Then how do you explain the fact that NONE of the childrens bodies have been viewed. Even by the parents ??????

How do you explain being so ignorant?

Hog Farmer
02-06-2013, 11:40 AM
How do you explain being so ignorant?

I believe everything I read on the intraweb.

cosmo20002
02-06-2013, 11:42 AM
I believe everything I read on the intraweb.

Apparently. But along the way, one would think you would run into a site actually gives reasonable, verified information.

Aries Walker
02-06-2013, 05:27 PM
Cosmo, I want to clear something up: My earlier post had nothing to do with Hog Farmer. I just want to get that perfectly straight.