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Guru
03-10-2013, 03:10 PM
1996 Chevy Camaro RS Coupe with 88k miles for $3000 Manual 5-speed but will need all new tires, the ABS light is on, and the rear blinkers don't work, however the hazards all work. Ceiling is mega sagging.

or

2002 Chevy Cavalier Sport Automatic 4-speed with 104k miles for $3500 but will eventually need a catalytic converter and the rear driver side window motor is faulty. Owner also mentioned that the ABS light will pop on occasionally but goes away after a few seconds. Happens every few weeks.

Having driven both I feel more comfortable in the Cavalier but that might be because I am not used to being so low to the ground in the Camaro. Also, the Camaro is a rear wheel drive car. Something else I am not fond of.

Those are the asking prices so I will obviously offer less.

Easy 6
03-10-2013, 03:12 PM
If i'm buying for reliability and not performance, i'd take the cavalier... the camaro has prolly been ran a lot harder.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-10-2013, 03:13 PM
neither. A camaro for your kid - lol, call your insurance agent.

and Cavaliers might be one of the worst cars ever made.

On another note i saw a green 4 dour Ford Contour the other day parked down by the south end of the Topeka Blvd bridge, window said $1,800.

Cannibal
03-10-2013, 03:13 PM
With gas prices never coming back to earth, you're better off with the Cavalier.

rockymtnchief
03-10-2013, 03:15 PM
My co-worker drives a Cavalier Sport around that same age. The dash is trashed, heater core shot, and looks like shit. However, it has 217k miles on it and has got him to work every day that last 5 years (76 miles round trip).

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-10-2013, 03:18 PM
Why would anyone ever buy a Cavalier? Buy a Corolla that is four years older but will actually run.

Guru
03-10-2013, 03:18 PM
neither. A camaro for your kid - lol, call your insurance agent.

and Cavaliers might be one of the worst cars ever made.

On another note i saw a green 4 dour Ford Contour the other day parked down by the south end of the Topeka Blvd bridge, window said $1,800.Insurance isn't an issue,. Both will be Liability only.

Guru
03-10-2013, 03:19 PM
Why would anyone ever buy a Cavalier? Buy a Corolla that is four years older but will actually run. Because I can't find any reasonably priced Hondas or Toyotas in this town.

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 03:20 PM
Insurance isn't an issue,. Both will be Liability only.
Liability will absolutely be higher on that Camaro.

Guru
03-10-2013, 03:22 PM
Liability will absolutely be higher on that Camaro.I'll be calling them about both to confirm obviously.

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 03:26 PM
Because I can't find any reasonably priced Hondas or Toyotas in this town.
I think people are getting a little carried away with their pricing on used imports. Every freaking 4runner and Xterra I see is priced $2-3k more than comparable Grand Cherokees of similar year and mileage. Fuck that, I'll bank the extra money and take my chances on a domestic.

Bewbies
03-10-2013, 03:28 PM
I'd take the bus.

notorious
03-10-2013, 03:28 PM
No.

TribalElder
03-10-2013, 03:31 PM
neither. A camaro for your kid - lol, call your insurance agent.

and Cavaliers might be one of the worst cars ever made.

On another note i saw a green 4 dour Ford Contour the other day parked down by the south end of the Topeka Blvd bridge, window said $1,800.

My girl had a contour and it was the shittiest car EVER

HemiEd
03-10-2013, 03:31 PM
are you kidding? The Camaro of course! They are actually built pretty well.

Demonpenz
03-10-2013, 03:32 PM
Lots of people die cause the cava doors suck.

Guru
03-10-2013, 03:34 PM
Lots of people die cause the cava doors suck.care to elaborate on that

Easy 6
03-10-2013, 03:37 PM
I think people are getting a little carried away with their pricing on used imports. Every freaking 4runner and Xterra I see is priced $2-3k more than comparable Grand Cherokees of similar year and mileage. **** that, I'll bank the extra money and take my chances on a domestic.

Theres no reasoning with import lovers, they're going to tell you nothing else is even half as good, its like a cult.

Guru
03-10-2013, 03:38 PM
Theres no reasoning with import lovers, they're going to tell you nothing else is even half as good, its like a cult.KBB and Edmunds don't help the issue either. they are just as bad about it.

Demonpenz
03-10-2013, 03:40 PM
The third-generation Cavalier earned several low scores in crash tests by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Also, IIHS fatality risks statistics rated the Cavalier among the "Highest rates of driver deaths," with 150 (4 door) to 171 (2 door) driver deaths per million registered vehicle years. Average for the Cavalier class (small) was 103 (4 door) to 134 (2 door) driver deaths per million registered vehicle years.[9]

The IIHS gave the 1995-2005 Cavalier a "Poor" overall score in their frontal offset collision test.[10]

Scrawny Armed Alex Smith
03-10-2013, 03:40 PM
A lot of steering issues with Cavaliers from what I remember. Camaro's are built really well, and to grab a '96 with only 88k miles is great. The insurance shouldn't be a problem with it being an RS.

Outside of the very easy to fix problems you have stated, it looks like the Camaro is the clear cut Geno Smith of the two. The Cavalier is more like Alex Smith, probably will get the job for a year or 2 but will eventually burn in a ditch somewhere.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-10-2013, 03:45 PM
http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3672234933.html

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 03:47 PM
Theres no reasoning with import lovers, they're going to tell you nothing else is even half as good, its like a cult.
Well I won't argue the fact that they tend to be more reliable, I just don't think they're worth the premium you have to pay for them when they're 10+ years old.

Easy 6
03-10-2013, 03:50 PM
KBB and Edmunds don't help the issue either. they are just as bad about it.

Oh dont i know it, its a bunch of garbage.

Dont get me wrong, the japanese make some damn nice vehicles, but too many people think that everything they put out squashes any competing model... part of the problem is that import people are very proud of the conscious decision they make to go that route and therefore make a much bigger stink about it than other car buyers who are equally satisfied.

R8RFAN
03-10-2013, 03:51 PM
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/Fievel36/untitled.jpg

Scrawny Armed Alex Smith
03-10-2013, 03:56 PM
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa317/Fievel36/untitled.jpg

I gotta get me one of dose. mmmhmmmm

Guru
03-10-2013, 03:57 PM
http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3672234933.htmlIt is the 219k miles I have an issue with. That car has been driven hard in my book.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:01 PM
Just checked, liability insurance is the exact same for both vehicles as I expected.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-10-2013, 04:02 PM
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Brock
03-10-2013, 04:11 PM
You are going to have a lot of problems witheither one. All ancillary costs being equal, no question the camaro. V8, easier to work on, better parts availability by far, plus its cooler.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:13 PM
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Baconeater
03-10-2013, 04:13 PM
You are going to have a lot of problems witheither one. All ancillary costs being equal, no question the camaro. V8, easier to work on, better parts availability by far, plus its cooler.
Think he failed to mention it has the 3800 V6.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:14 PM
You are going to have a lot of problems witheither one. All ancillary costs being equal, no question the camaro. V8, easier to work on, better parts availability by far, plus its cooler.Camaro is a V6

mikeyis4dcats.
03-10-2013, 04:14 PM
Think he also failed to mention this is for a teenager...

Brock
03-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Camaro is a V6

That's okay, the gm v6 is a great motor. They will run forever.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Here is the specific vehicle info based on the VINs

http://www.decodethis.com/VIN-Decoded/vin/2G1FP22K7T2124262

http://www.decodethis.com/VIN-Decoded/vin/1G1JH52F427284697

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 04:15 PM
Think he also failed to mention this is for a teenager...
LMAO that's why I'm surprised the insurance is the same. although with the kid's accident it's probably absurdly high for anything.

Easy 6
03-10-2013, 04:18 PM
Think he failed to mention it has the 3800 V6.

That may be the best overall motor GM has ever made, when maintained they're nearly bulletproof.

A ton of people who know whats what specifically look for them, particularly in Buicks.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:20 PM
Think he also failed to mention this is for a teenager...I figured that was obvious since I had stated I was looking for cars for my kid in the ford Explorer thread.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:20 PM
LMAO that's why I'm surprised the insurance is the same. although with the kid's accident it's probably absurdly high for anything.yeah, we don't get to see that damage until insurance renews in August. they did confirm liability will be the same no matter what though.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:23 PM
for the record, my son was all for the Cavalier until we drove the Camaro. LMAO

I will also have to teach him how to drive a stick with the Camaro.

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 04:26 PM
Yeah, on dry pavement. Wait until he tries to drive it in snow.

R8RFAN
03-10-2013, 04:28 PM
It is the 219k miles I have an issue with. That car has been driven hard in my book.

Buddy bought one like that and has had to put all sorts of shit on it....


Too many miles

mlyonsd
03-10-2013, 04:30 PM
Just from what you posted I'd pick the Cavalier.

mlyonsd
03-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Yeah, on dry pavement. Wait until he tries to drive it in snow.

Oh I don't know, I had a lot of fun in rear wheel cars in snow when I was a kid. :evil:

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Oh I don't know, I had a lot of fun in rear wheel cars in snow when I was a kid. :evil:
Oh yeah, they're a ton of fun...until you actually have to get somewhere.

tmh
03-10-2013, 04:36 PM
Kid can drive a stick right? Assume so but just asking. Its a good bet there is more potential oop expenses with the Cavalier upcoming.

How bad is the headliner in the camaro? Is it a T-Top? I ask cause they are more to repair than standard coupe or you can just WT it with thumbtacks, like i did on my first as a kid.

As for being a 5 speed in winter and RWD, that sucks.

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 04:38 PM
IIRC it cost about $125 to re-do the headliner in my old Firebird. Of course that was 10 years ago and prices may vary.

Brock
03-10-2013, 04:43 PM
headliner's a piece of cake.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Because I can't find any reasonably priced Hondas or Toyotas in this town.

Travel a little bit?

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:47 PM
Travel a little bit?Because I prefer to have mechanics check teh car out, going out of town isn't really an option. I don't want to be making multiple trips out of town on a single car. Plus, if I am driving out of town for a car, I fully expect to be purchasing that car.

Guru
03-10-2013, 04:48 PM
Kid can drive a stick right? Assume so but just asking. Its a good bet there is more potential oop expenses with the Cavalier upcoming.

How bad is the headliner in the camaro? Is it a T-Top? I ask cause they are more to repair than standard coupe or you can just WT it with thumbtacks, like i did on my first as a kid.

As for being a 5 speed in winter and RWD, that sucks.The headliner is all sagged out. most annoying thing about the test drive because I felt like I had to keep dipping my head. I would just thumbtack that shit up though.

TribalElder
03-10-2013, 05:11 PM
Camaro will result in reception of a larger quantity of vagina.

You can't put a price on that.

Exoter175
03-10-2013, 05:18 PM
Camaro will result in reception of a larger quantity of vagina.

You can't put a price on that.

You aren't going to pull worthwhile pussy in a 96 Camaro RS, thing won't even be able to do a burnout, and people will look at you like you're mentally challenged if you do.


Out of both of these options, the Camaro and the Cavalier, I choose to walk.

Not even kidding, I don't know why the selection is narrowed down to this piles of junk, but I could come up with about a thousand better vehicles for the money, than these two turds.

mlyonsd
03-10-2013, 05:40 PM
You aren't going to pull worthwhile pussy in a 96 Camaro RS, thing won't even be able to do a burnout, and people will look at you like you're mentally challenged if you do.


Out of both of these options, the Camaro and the Cavalier, I choose to walk.

Not even kidding, I don't know why the selection is narrowed down to this piles of junk, but I could come up with about a thousand better vehicles for the money, than these two turds.Well there you go Guru, looks like this guy has you covered.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-10-2013, 05:44 PM
Don't mean to be a dick, but maybe waiting a few weeks is a better option. Getting in situations like this where you feel like you have to make a purchase is the surest way to get fucked, because you lose all of your leverage.

DonkyPuncher
03-10-2013, 05:46 PM
I would recommend finding a Toyota Camry, those things run forever

Craqhead
03-10-2013, 06:08 PM
Camaro, if you have a son.
Camaro, if you had a daughter.

The turn signals not working could be the bulb, or even the flash relay.

theelusiveeightrop
03-10-2013, 06:21 PM
Buy a bicycle.

Inspector
03-10-2013, 06:28 PM
If he fucks in the back seat of the Camaro he might poke his eye out. Pretty cramped.

TEX
03-10-2013, 07:10 PM
Buy a bicycle.

This

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-10-2013, 07:15 PM
I'd offer $2000(maybe, the milage is too low for me not wonder why) for the Camaro or $2400 for the Cavalier. And probably move on.

Guru
03-10-2013, 07:31 PM
Don't mean to be a dick, but maybe waiting a few weeks is a better option. Getting in situations like this where you feel like you have to make a purchase is the surest way to get ****ed, because you lose all of your leverage.I have no problem walking away. Thats why I posted here, to get opinions. Kind of surprised to see more support for the Camaro to be honest.

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 07:42 PM
I have no problem walking away. Thats why I posted here, to get opinions. Kind of surprised to see more support for the Camaro to be honest.LMAO Seriously? You do know you're talking to a bunch of Chiefs fans here, right?

Guru
03-10-2013, 07:51 PM
LMAO Seriously? You do know you're talking to a bunch of Chiefs fans here, right?I know but I really thought there would be more support for the Cav. My mistake.

Unfortunately, these are the best two cars I have found in 2 months of looking.

tooge
03-10-2013, 07:58 PM
The camaro will have a solid drive train but will have Ricky tack things go wrong. The cavalier will have everything go wrong. Cavalier is an entry level vehicle. Camaro is not

Guru
03-10-2013, 08:04 PM
The camaro will have a solid drive train but will have Ricky tack things go wrong. The cavalier will have everything go wrong. Cavalier is an entry level vehicle. Camaro is notWhat are Ricky tack things?

Exoter175
03-10-2013, 08:08 PM
Well there you go Guru, looks like this guy has you covered.
:thumb:
Don't mean to be a dick, but maybe waiting a few weeks is a better option. Getting in situations like this where you feel like you have to make a purchase is the surest way to get fucked, because you lose all of your leverage.

Feeling like you have to make a purchase on a complete pile of shit must be a really uneasy feeling.

Buy a bicycle.

This guy right here.

I know but I really thought there would be more support for the Cav. My mistake.

Unfortunately, these are the best two cars I have found in 2 months of looking.

Stop what you're doing right now if those are the two best cars you've found in 2 months of looking.

PM Me your budget, your area, the mileage you're willing to go for a car, the needs and wants of the future car, and for whom the car is for. I'll find you something better in literally less than 15 minutes, assuming I'm online when I receiver the PM.

Right now you've got your wallet in hand, outstretched for someone to come take you and run away with your hard earned cash, and neither of those two are reasonable options.

The camaro will have a solid drive train but will have Ricky tack things go wrong. The cavalier will have everything go wrong. Cavalier is an entry level vehicle. Camaro is not

No, that camaro is not a solid drivetrain, its like an automatic and that transmission is shit, that motor is shit, and like all GM cars prior to the mid 2000's, is a pile of plastic shit. Everything plastic in the interior will break, everything electrical will somehow find a problem, and you'll be left there with your dick in hand calling guys to come pick your shitbox up for 200-300 bucks for scrap.

Superbowltrashcan
03-10-2013, 08:23 PM
Go look on Craigslist in Manhattan, Lawrence before the end of college spring term. I found both my daughters nice cars for under 3K from students not wanting to take their vehicle with them....

Exoter175
03-10-2013, 08:57 PM
PM replied, if you need any other assistance let me know!:thumb:

aturnis
03-10-2013, 09:21 PM
neither. A camaro for your kid - lol, call your insurance agent.

and Cavaliers might be one of the worst cars ever made.

On another note i saw a green 4 dour Ford Contour the other day parked down by the south end of the Topeka Blvd bridge, window said $1,800.

Cavalier is a very reliable car. Also, if you need parts there are so many of them in the junkyard it's easy to find cheap replacement parts.

Guru
03-10-2013, 09:42 PM
Doesn't help that my son is really wanting the Camaro now. LMAO

My mistake. I should never have taken him on that test drive with me.

Exoter175
03-10-2013, 09:49 PM
Doesn't help that my son is really wanting the Camaro now. LMAO

My mistake. I should never have taken him on that test drive with me.

Its a hard decision to make now.

If you don't buy it, he'll be upset.

If you do buy it, I promise your wallet will be upset within the year lol.

Guru
03-10-2013, 09:58 PM
Its a hard decision to make now.

If you don't buy it, he'll be upset.

If you do buy it, I promise your wallet will be upset within the year lol.not my wallet. His. he is paying for it.

Cavalier is off the table. Owner just texted me he had another offer and I can make an offer if I want. Told him to accept the other parties offer.

Called his bluff.


EDIT

Yep, he is upset that we are telling him to look at more cars before settling on the Camaro. Going to be a battle now.

Baconeater
03-10-2013, 10:39 PM
Well, if it was my son and his own money, I'd let him buy it with the understanding he's not to come crying to me every time the damn thing breaks, and not to come crying to me that he can't get to work because there's an inch of snow on the ground.

And while Exotor is the first person I've heard speak ill of that 3800 engine, I am not emotionally invested enough in this to get into a internet war over it. But it wouldn't be an engine I would be uncomfortable purchasing.

My biggest problem is a car like that has more than likely been hooned a time or two or three thousand. Just because it doesn't have a V8 doesn't mean it hasn't been driven like it does, especially with that manual trans. HAY GUYS CHECK OUT TEH SECOND GEAR SCRATCH!!!

So yeah, that, along with the age, shit's gonna break. If he's not willing to get his hands dirty and learn a thing or two about fixing your car yourself, it's not the car for him.

stevieray
03-11-2013, 12:20 AM
is he employed?

if so, take the $3500..put it down on a $5500 Cherokee with about 60-70k miles, and let him pay it off...

Baconeater
03-11-2013, 12:45 AM
is he employed?

if so, take the $3500..put it down on a $5500 Cherokee with about 60-70k miles, and let him pay it off...
I think you may have your planeteers who are looking for cars mixed up...

tmax63
03-11-2013, 06:45 AM
I have a 2003 Cavalier as my daily driver. Bought in 2005 with 28k, today it has 237k. Fuel economy has been 30mpg and repairs have been minimal so far. Has been good cost efficient transportation for me. It's beat up and looks like crap now but it still gets me back and forth (97 miles round-trip). If I can get another 100k out of it I may only have to buy 1 more car before I retire.

CoMoChief
03-11-2013, 07:26 AM
TBH I wouldn't choose either.

You're just looking at a bunch of problems with both of them.

Der Flöprer
03-11-2013, 07:36 AM
is he employed?

if so, take the $3500..put it down on a $5500 Cherokee with about 60-70k miles, and let him pay it off...

I don't think you're finding a Cherokee with those miles with that money. $5500 may get you 160-170k miles.

Guru
03-11-2013, 08:46 AM
TBH I wouldn't choose either.

You're just looking at a bunch of problems with both of them.
Guys, if you are going to only make broad statements and not provide details of why you think it will have problems you are not being very helpful. At least provide examples of said problems you think it will have.

Also, the cavalier is gone.

stevieray
03-11-2013, 08:55 AM
flop, my point was more geared towards buliding his own credit, and appreciating the vehickle buy paying for it on his own..etc...

...then I relaized this was a Guru thread....carry on.

Guru
03-11-2013, 09:05 AM
flop, my point was more geared towards buliding his own credit, and appreciating the vehickle buy paying for it on his own..etc...

...then I relaized this was a Guru thread....carry on.He wouldn't be able to open a line of credit at 16 I don't think. But yes, this is a Guru thread so I would rather him not take a loan on an old used car.

stevieray
03-11-2013, 09:07 AM
He wouldn't be able to open a line of credit at 16 I don't think. But yes, this is a Guru thread so I would rather him not take a loan on an old used car.
then cosign for him...hand up, not hand out.

Baconeater
03-11-2013, 09:48 AM
I don't think you're finding a Cherokee with those miles with that money. $5500 may get you 160-170k miles.
That was going to be my next point. If such a vehicle existed anywhere in the four-state area, I would've found it by now.

Frosty
03-11-2013, 10:13 AM
If I were in your area, I would be interested in this:

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3665611017.html


Other than that, it looks like a lousy market (based on CL).

Guru
03-11-2013, 10:37 AM
If I were in your area, I would be interested in this:

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3665611017.html


Other than that, it looks like a lousy market (based on CL).No better gas mileage than the Camaro but I'll take a look at it. Thanks for the heads up.

Frosty
03-11-2013, 10:47 AM
No better gas mileage than the Camaro but I'll take a look at it. Thanks for the heads up.

Those mid-sized GMs with the 3.8L will get 30-32 hwy and low to mid-20's in the city, provided your son keeps his foot out of it.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 12:16 PM
Well, if it was my son and his own money, I'd let him buy it with the understanding he's not to come crying to me every time the damn thing breaks, and not to come crying to me that he can't get to work because there's an inch of snow on the ground.

And while Exotor is the first person I've heard speak ill of that 3800 engine, I am not emotionally invested enough in this to get into a internet war over it. But it wouldn't be an engine I would be uncomfortable purchasing.

My biggest problem is a car like that has more than likely been hooned a time or two or three thousand. Just because it doesn't have a V8 doesn't mean it hasn't been driven like it does, especially with that manual trans. HAY GUYS CHECK OUT TEH SECOND GEAR SCRATCH!!!

So yeah, that, along with the age, shit's gonna break. If he's not willing to get his hands dirty and learn a thing or two about fixing your car yourself, it's not the car for him.

For some reason I was thinking the camaro was still a 3.4 car, but either way, a gen 1 3800 isn't much of an improvement in the long run.

That being said, I agree with the rest of your post, especially the hooning.

TBH I wouldn't choose either.

You're just looking at a bunch of problems with both of them.

Right? Cheap interior plastics and shoddy electrical throughout the cars, that is a calling card for GM products from 84ish to the late 90's early 2000's.

If I were in your area, I would be interested in this:

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3665611017.html


Other than that, it looks like a lousy market (based on CL).

His biggest issue is going to be distance. If he drives to KC to get a car, he's going to get a pretty damned good deal compared to what he's got nearby. Every car is going to be a liability to break at any point, but you can lower the liability by taking a shot at 50 cars versus 5 cars.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 12:18 PM
Those mid-sized GMs with the 3.8L will get 30-32 hwy and low to mid-20's in the city, provided your son keeps his foot out of it.

To be specific realistically, depending on the cars, he's going to be looking at about 23/29 for most of them, which can be huge at his age.

Guru
03-11-2013, 12:22 PM
If I were in your area, I would be interested in this:

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3665611017.html


Other than that, it looks like a lousy market (based on CL).Just test drove it. Rode really nice. Other than some under paint rust at the gas door I didn't notice any questionable issues. Will definitely need a wheel balance and alignment though.

Frosty
03-11-2013, 12:22 PM
To be specific realistically, depending on the cars, he's going to be looking at about 23/29 for most of them, which can be huge at his age.

Well realistically, it's a sixteen year old boy who has already wrecked one car. More than likely, he's going to get shitty mileage no matter what he drives. :D

Frosty
03-11-2013, 12:24 PM
Just test drove it. Rode really nice. Other than some under paint rust at the gas door I didn't notice any questionable issues. Will definitely need a wheel balance and alignment though.

The one thing about the 3.8L is make sure the coolant looks ok and isn't low. They had some problems with the intake manifold gaskets. By this age, most of them have been replaced but it worth looking for.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 12:28 PM
Well realistically, it's a sixteen year old boy who has already wrecked one car. More than likely, he's going to get shitty mileage no matter what he drives. :D

Pretty much, but getting him something that gets even somewhat decent mileage will help considerably.

When I first started driving, gas was 99 cents a gallon. So I never dealt with the "shock" of the pump that this guy is going to feel now when he realizes how expensive it is to drive nowadays. Especially if he's working for near minimum wage.

I nearly have a heart attack when I'm at the pump, then again, I drive a Modded Mustang GT and a 4x4 4.0 Ranger :evil:
The one thing about the 3.8L is make sure the coolant looks ok and isn't low. They had some problems with the intake manifold gaskets. By this age, most of them have been replaced but it worth looking for.

True story, I had to do quite a few of those a few years back, it seemed everyone and their mother had a 3800 of some flair and almost all of them needed an upper gasket set. Good lord do they get shitty gas mileage when things start to go bad lol.:huh:

Frosty
03-11-2013, 12:33 PM
Pretty much, but getting him something that gets even somewhat decent mileage will help considerably.

True, if he was to get something like a Civic or Corolla. My son gets almost 40 mpg in his (my) '01 Prizm. That said, I doubt there would be much difference between the Intrigue and the Camaro.

Guru
03-11-2013, 12:35 PM
True, if he was to get something like a Civic or Corolla. My son gets almost 40 mpg in his (my) '01 Prizm. That said, I doubt there would be much difference between the Intrigue and the Camaro.Mileage wise there is barely any difference at all.

still waiting for him to get back to me on the Olds. Personally, I thought it drove better than the camaro.

Frosty
03-11-2013, 12:40 PM
Mileage wise there is barely any difference at all.

still waiting for him to get back to me on the Olds. Personally, I thought it drove better than the camaro.

FWD too, so better if snow. I had an '82 Camaro that was a death trap with any snow at all.

I would much prefer the Intrigue but I'm not 16 anymore. LMAO

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 12:45 PM
True, if he was to get something like a Civic or Corolla. My son gets almost 40 mpg in his (my) '01 Prizm. That said, I doubt there would be much difference between the Intrigue and the Camaro.

I got nothing but Hondas when I was younger so I always had money to blow from my part time job because it cost me like 10 dollars to fill up the tank every other week. The fun started when I started modifying them to go faster :D, that's how I learned to work on cars and later became a mechanic.

Once I got out of hondas and into real cars with v8's and rwd, I learned to appreciate the econobox hondas even more when I was at the pump lol.

Mileage wise there is barely any difference at all.

still waiting for him to get back to me on the Olds. Personally, I thought it drove better than the camaro.

Early 4th gen Camaros are complete piles, Yes I am a mustang owner, but having had worked on many of them, I'd never want one. Even if the right was somewhat good in them, just WAIT until that hatch starts to rattle lol.

FWD too, so better if snow. I had an '82 Camaro that was a death trap with any snow at all.

I would much prefer the Intrigue but I'm not 16 anymore. LMAO

I have a 2002 Mustang GT now, it is a death trap in the Snow, that's why I have a 4x4 ranger to go with it lol.

Frosty
03-11-2013, 12:51 PM
Early 4th gen Camaros are complete piles, Yes I am a mustang owner, but having had worked on many of them, I'd never want one. Even if the right was somewhat good in them, just WAIT until that hatch starts to rattle lol.

That's why you put the big stereo in - so you don't have to hear the rattles. :p

Frosty
03-11-2013, 01:04 PM
I got nothing but Hondas when I was younger so I always had money to blow from my part time job because it cost me like 10 dollars to fill up the tank every other week. The fun started when I started modifying them to go faster :D, that's how I learned to work on cars and later became a mechanic.

Once I got out of hondas and into real cars with v8's and rwd, I learned to appreciate the econobox hondas even more when I was at the pump lol.


My first car was a '74 Gran Torino. I got 23 mpg with that despite driving like an idiot. My dad made me get rid of it after I put it up a hedge in someone's front lawn, so I next got a '66 Bug. I got about 23 mpg in that, too. :doh!: I remember filling up at $1.29, which until recently was the all time high gas price adjusted for today's dollar (it was somewhere around $3.69 adjusted). Sucked.

Jiu Jitsu Jon
03-11-2013, 01:21 PM
I used to have a 2002 z24 cavalier, 5 speed. Besides the anemic 140 hp 4 cyl engine, the passenger side window motor crapped out on me, and the cd player stopped working. Oh, and there was something wrong with the door that made the interior lights not turn off like they were supposed to. When they fixed that issue, they screwed up the seal on the doors so I got lots of wind noise when driving on the highway.

What a poorly built piece of crap. I never had any problems with the engine or anything but still I would only buy it as a cheap car for a teenager to drive or a beater to drive in the snow.

Guru
03-11-2013, 05:39 PM
took the Olds in for inspection and this is what they found.

Front struts rusty
intake gaskets leak
inner tie rod ends need replaced
trans pan gasket leaks
Oil pan gasket leaks
needs new intake air tube
all four tires are dry rotted.

altogether over $1300 worth of work if I had them do it al.

Showed the list to the dealer and they said hogwash, they trust their mechanic more than what mine found.

JFC

JASONSAUTO
03-11-2013, 05:39 PM
took the Olds in for inspection and this is what they found.

Front struts rusty
intake gaskets leak
inner tie rod ends need replaced
trans pan gasket leaks
Oil pan gasket leaks
needs new intake air tube
all four tires are dry rotted.

Showed the list to the dealer and they said hogwash, they trust their mechanic more than what mine found.

JFC and then it will have tons of electrical gremlins too
Posted via Mobile Device

Guru
03-11-2013, 05:44 PM
and then it will have tons of electrical gremlins too
Posted via Mobile DeviceLMAO

I've never had a dealer do that before. Just completely discount everything a mechanic found. Told me right there, even if I was still interested in it, they were not going to budge on the price at all.

Baconeater
03-11-2013, 05:47 PM
took the Olds in for inspection and this is what they found.

Front struts rusty
intake gaskets leak
inner tie rod ends need replaced
trans pan gasket leaks
Oil pan gasket leaks
needs new intake air tube
all four tires are dry rotted.

altogether over $1300 worth of work if I had them do it al.

Showed the list to the dealer and they said hogwash, they trust their mechanic more than what mine found.

JFC
For the most part that all sounds like normal used car stuff.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 05:51 PM
took the Olds in for inspection and this is what they found.

Front struts rusty
intake gaskets leak
inner tie rod ends need replaced
trans pan gasket leaks
Oil pan gasket leaks
needs new intake air tube
all four tires are dry rotted.

altogether over $1300 worth of work if I had them do it al.

Showed the list to the dealer and they said hogwash, they trust their mechanic more than what mine found.

JFC


Trust the mechanic you took it to, and here is why.

When I first opened my repair shop, the first order of business for me, long before advertising, was to run down to EVERY small/medium sized car dealership (not major dealerships, mainly smaller privately owned lots) and setup business arrangements with them, even if they did have an 8 dollar an hour mechanic on site.

I offered them GREAT labor pricing, free inspections, and free pickup, since most were just down the street from me.

I'm a pretty savvy businessman so I had deals setup left and right at my shop, and on day 2 had the first cars roll in, long before I even had signs hung. What I then learned, was a bit more about the business than I thought I did.

1. Most of these smaller dealership cars are auction cars picked up from towlots or insurance auctions that have some faults and couldn't be sold immediately.

2. The smaller dealers didn't always want EVERYTHING fixed, some things they were okay without.

3. They deal strictly in bulk, rather than on an individual basis when getting repairs. They won't fork out $2,500 dollars for a repair if the car is worth $7,000, but they will spend 250 dollars to cover it up.


One dealership in particular, which I cannot name for legal reasons, would bring me 5-10 cars at a time, with a budget of $1,800 dollars out the door. Seems like a lot, right?

Considering that these guys wanted a base amount of jobs done on each one, Oil Changes, Transmission/Coolant flushes, and Tire rotations if needed (just as an example of a few jobs), it didn't leave a lot of room for major repairs.

I cannot count on my hands or feet, how many times I was told NOT to do a repair because it was too costly, by the same dealer within a single month or two, with me knowing full well that this car will be in my shop or somebody's shop within weeks of it being sold.

I didn't like that part of the business one bit, and have since decided that I will NEVER buy from a smaller dealership, ever, unless I've worked on the car personally or have a great working relationship with them.

Guru
03-11-2013, 06:02 PM
thanks for that extremely informative post Exoter!!!

Of course, now my son is back on that Camaro. Kind of hoping the owner refuses to let me take it to a mechanic.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 06:04 PM
thanks for that extremely informative post Exoter!!!

Of course, now my son is back on that Camaro. Kind of hoping the owner refuses to let me take it to a mechanic.

I wouldn't imagine that should be a terrible problem, I'd let you do it with my stuff. Then again I wouldn't be hiding anything lol.

Guru
03-12-2013, 06:43 PM
This is so damned frustrating. Found two other cars that looked great and both got decimated by the mechanic.

Still haven't checked out the Camaro further because it isn't really the option I want for my son.

I'm spending more money on ruling cars out than I prefer.

Frosty
03-12-2013, 06:49 PM
Sorry the Intrigue didn't work out. I agree with Bug that it sounds like normal $3000 used car stuff but I can understand being leery.

Guru
03-12-2013, 07:00 PM
Sorry the Intrigue didn't work out. I agree with Bug that it sounds like normal $3000 used car stuff but I can understand being leery.Doesn't help that we hit a grand slam with the 1996 Grand Am we found him last year. Before he wrecked the damn thing. Mechanic passed that one with flying colors.

Baconeater
03-12-2013, 07:03 PM
What's your mechanic charging per inspection?

Molitoth
03-12-2013, 07:03 PM
I haven't read through this thread but I have to say choosing between those two cars is like having to choose between Matt cassel and Alex smith. Both are Giant turds.

Guru
03-12-2013, 07:07 PM
What's your mechanic charging per inspection?goodyear was charging $50 when I did the Explorer. I switched to Big O after that. they are $23

Baconeater
03-12-2013, 07:14 PM
goodyear was charging $50 when I did the Explorer. I switched to Big O after that. they are $23
$23 isn't terrible. The only time I did one it was around $60, that can really add up. I haven't even bothered doing them with my last few vehicles.

Guru
03-12-2013, 07:18 PM
$23 isn't terrible. The only time I did one it was around $60, that can really add up. I haven't even bothered doing them with my last few vehicles.yeah, I would have purchased this 2001 Hyundai Sonota GLS without question without the mechanical inspection. Would have been a mistake.

Baconeater
03-12-2013, 07:24 PM
yeah, I would have purchased this 2001 Hyundai Sonota GLS without question without the mechanical inspection. Would have been a mistake.
I didn't know you ever looked at a Hyundai. I took a pretty big risk with my Dakota, I bought it in St Joe and wasn't going to screw with trying to coordinate with a mechanic. Only real surprise with it was the hack job the guy did replacing the catalytic converter. My van I bought from the original owners who I knew and they had all the service records so it was a no-brainer. If I was going to buy something off a car lot I would definitely get an inspection, especially after what Exoter said.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-12-2013, 08:01 PM
http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/3677266682.html

Baconeater
03-12-2013, 08:07 PM
That may only be 2wd.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-12-2013, 08:20 PM
That may only be 2wd.

according to Edmunds they were all 4WD.

http://www.edmunds.com/isuzu/rodeo/1998/

http://www.kbb.com/isuzu/rodeo/1998-isuzu-rodeo/


if even half the ad is true, this is a keeper. hard to gauge the KBB value not knowing the details though.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-12-2013, 08:27 PM
hmmm, according to THIS, they also had 4x2.

http://www.cars.com/isuzu/rodeo/1998/

mikeyis4dcats.
03-12-2013, 08:28 PM
for comparison to a car at a dealer (a little older)
http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?&mkId=20020&rd=30&zc=66601&rn=0&stkTypId=28881&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&pgId=2102&searchSource=NO_RESULTS

Baconeater
03-12-2013, 08:37 PM
Click on "appraise" on that Edmunds link, and the drop down menu for the styles shows RWD for both models.

Guru
03-12-2013, 08:43 PM
for comparison to a car at a dealer (a little older)
http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?&mkId=20020&rd=30&zc=66601&rn=0&stkTypId=28881&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&pgId=2102&searchSource=NO_RESULTSDealers. LMAO