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Pablo
03-11-2013, 10:27 PM
Is this an internets persona or are you honestly this big a dickhead real time? You spelled friendly know-it-all wrong.

KC native
03-11-2013, 10:27 PM
Explain that to the software and engineers educating the robots on how to build a new car every 4 years, and the people that have to build and place those machines into the factories for them to being production, or the teams of people that remove said machines 15 minutes after the last car of that model design rolled off the floor, to make way for the new units to being production of the new cars that are mostly built by robots.

Yep, same industry from first half of the 19xx's. LMAO


JFC making a business more efficient by improving manufacturing techniques is not new nor does it change the fact that we have been mass producing automobiles for over a century. Refining the automobiles that we make because we have been making them for so long doesn't make it a new industry either.

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse now.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 10:27 PM
Is this an internets persona or are you honestly this big a dickhead real time?

Are you that mad about being wrong?

Short answer, yes, I can be the worlds biggest dickhead when put in front of idiots, miscreants, and ignorant who band together.

Try not to join the hive there, pal.
I had gotten off of work and clicked on ChiefsPlanet...I was browsing the ***** thread and noticed the thread I made earlier, which I assumed would be dead,m was still getting hits...

I read it and I was appalled by the fact you posted THAT post to an innocent question I had about installation cost for a side mirror.

At no point was I trying to offend mechanics, I simply wanted to know if I could kill two birds with one stone and do it for minimal cost.

I was told no by Bwana right away and that was that...

but instead you felt like you needed to talk down to me and tell me how fucking stupid I was...

and for no fucking reason.

So that is why I responded the way I responded to you. I couldn't believe you wasted an hour of your time to give me a 500,000 character life lesson I never needed or asked for.


You act like THAT post was completely defamatory.

I explained to you how the industry works so that YOU and OTHERS would not make the same mistake.

Jesus Christ, you act like I'm a terrible person because I told you for the first time, Santa isn't real.

Try not to cry about it too much.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 10:28 PM
JFC making a business more efficient by improving manufacturing techniques is not new nor does it change the fact that we have been mass producing automobiles for over a century. Refining the automobiles that we make because we have been making them for so long doesn't make it a new industry either.

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse now.

Doesn't take away from the fact that you made an error in judgement making that statement.

Hootie
03-11-2013, 10:32 PM
I quoted a bunch of your posts so I can help explain a few things for you, since you are extremely misguided about how the auto repair business works, so I'll be highlighting a few points here, hopefully it'll enlighten you, and the rest of the community so they don't get the foolish notion that "Since they are already doing work, maybe they'll do this for practically nothing".

First things' first, bringing a part in will not earn you a discount. In fact, it is almost insulting to every business out there, and a good majority of them WILL NOT install "your" part for a number of reasons, but make no mistake about it, the largest reason they will not, is because they cannot mark the price up. The next biggest reason is because the manufacturer of that part probably doesn't adhere to the same quality standards that the repair facility (usually dealerships in this case) will stamp their warranty work on.

As most places will have a general warranty coverage on all work done, we're not going to warranty a used part, and we certainly aren't going to warranty a cheap reproduction or reman part from an inferior quality supplier and add our warrant to it.

Also, since we aren't making a single CENT off of your mirror, we won't be obliged to discount the time it takes to put your mirror on. Most places, as it turns out, are going to charge you a MINIMUM 1 hour labor to do ANYTHING on a car, short of a flat rate service (Oil Change, Brakes, Exhaust, etc.)

Depending on where you live, that labor hour could be anywhere from 50 dollars in labor (BFE midwest) to 95 dollars an hour (KC metro stealership)



Minimum, unless the tech or manager are a close friend.



This is the next bit that I'll touch on.

First, you sound like a cheap ass. You sound like the individual who will fight me (the mechanic or manager) tooth and nail for your business because you don't want to pay what I'll charge everyone else, because you can't afford it. I'll try to fight for your business to a degree, and you'll try to drag me to that point and then go further. I will have a line I won't do the work for, and you're likely going to get me to that line, or just above it. Once we've established that, I'm not cutting you a discount on ANYTHING ever again.

Second, 100 dollars is NOTHING in the automotive repair business. Generally speaking, that's about 1.5 hours of labor or just a little under at most "mom and pop" shops.

I don't even think I can go anywhere in the KC metro and get all 8 of my plugs changed in my mustang for 100 bucks. I'm not sure what your service is, but I've written tickets for an Oil Change and Air Filter for nearly as much as you're spending, and those are 15 minutes In and Out all day long.

I realize 100 dollars is something to you, but understand that 100 dollars is NOTHING for a business that needs to earn it.

What you don't understand is that labor hour generally goes to paying a huge portion of the business, as a lot of the parts barely have any true "room" to make up that kind of "markup".

Say I sell you a distributor for $250 dollars, chances are I picked that distributor up for about $210-220, but I'm probably going to charge you an hour to put that on, 16-24 of that is going to my mechanic to put it on, he's only going to take about 20 minutes to do it, and the 40-50ish remaining goes back to the shop. In most medium sized repair facilities, I'm going to have to have about 5 of YOU a day, to pay for my business all said and done.

So to answer, no, you aren't being reasonable.



The next issue I have, and this will be true enlightenment.

Just because something takes 7 minutes and 24 minutes to install for the trained professional, does not mean I should be charging you 7 minutes and 24 minutes of my labor hour.

You didn't pay for his training, you don't pay for the facility, you don't pay for the advertising, you certainly don't pay for overhead at all, yet, you think you should only be charged for the time it took to repair?

When it comes to repair of ANY KIND, you're paying for the service, not the time. If the service calls for 3.5 hours, you'll get charged 3.5 hours. But, should your trusted repair facility employ some very knowledgeable, very fast mechanics who can get the job done in 1.7 hours, you aren't going to pay less because they are that much better and efficient.

You'll just get your car back that much sooner and be on your way to the life of whatever it is you do, that much quicker.

If repair facilities charged you for the actual time it took them, they would be out of business, or............you'd see labor hours doubling or tripling the current labor hours, just to get back to the same "profits" they have right now, but you'd see a new breed of mechanics that are rushed and more mistake prone.

You don't wan that, wise up.



Forget it then.

I'm guessing that your car is a shitbox based on the aforementioned repair costs, that, or you are getting preventative maintenance done.

But I'll give you an idea of a real life scenario.

A friend of mine had his mothers' car come into MY business to get a tune up and to replace her sway bar. After all was said and done, I think we knocked the car out in like 2 hours, but HE (the friend) also brought in a mirror to have it replaced at the last second. He asked me for a quote and gave me the number to call her to get the go ahead on the purchase.

I quoted her in the neighborhood of 115 dollars to remove and replace the mirror.

Do you know why?

The labor hour came out to about 1.5 hours, I had to remove the door panel (wasn't easy, required special tools that I had to buy because this is the business I am in), and re-pin (I did this for free) the connector to her heated mirrors.

Therein lies the issue in some cases. Newer cars cost more to fix. She was driving a 2011 fully loaded Acura TSX, this thing had Heated, Power Mirrors, Power door locks, everything, which is more shit for me to remove and/or **** up when I take her door panel off.

The connector in this case was broken, and I had to remove the connector (depin) and fix it (repin to the new one), I charge $125 dollars a labor hour for electrical work and/or invasive work. I did it for free because he brought me a ton of business my way.

Still, it cost her $115 to replace it. Do you know what other places had quoted her?

$400+ Dollars for 1.5 hours labor + 1 hour electrical/diagnostic

Yet you want that shit done for 20 dollars or "**** it, I'll do it myself"

$20 isn't shit anymore kid, I wipe my ass with 20's.


It is, especially when it is your part.

They'd certainly give you a labor discount had you bought their part or allowed them to source one for you, granted it would be marked up a bit, but you'd likely have paid significantly less on the labor.



A lot of this depends on the Year, Make, and Model of the car.

My mustang would take some time, but my 92 civic? 3 minutes flat.

You were INCREDIBLY condescending for no reason whatsoever in this post...and a post that was incredibly unnecessary in the first place.

You could have said:

"Yo, I work at the auto industry. No, we won't do it for $20. Don't even bother asking, that's insulting."

And I would have said, "gee, thanks. That's what I needed to know."

and thread could have been over

instead you called me a cheap dipshit because I don't feel the need to put a lot of $ into a car with 211,000 miles

KC native
03-11-2013, 10:33 PM
Doesn't take away from the fact that you made an error in judgement making that statement.

You are fucking stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

Pablo
03-11-2013, 10:35 PM
Yeah, that response came off as really "friendly".

Exoter, do you eat your lunch all alone?

Phobia
03-11-2013, 10:39 PM
You were INCREDIBLY condescending for no reason whatsoever in this post...and a post that was incredibly unnecessary in the first place.

You could have said:

"Yo, I work at the auto industry. No, we won't do it for $20. Don't even bother asking, that's insulting."

And I would have said, "gee, thanks. That's what I needed to know."

and thread could have been over

instead you called me a cheap dipshit because I don't feel the need to put a lot of $ into a car with 211,000 miles

I think you raise a valid point. If the responses on this thread had been billed at a stealership, we'd be at $310,000 already.

Pablo
03-11-2013, 10:41 PM
Hootie wipes his ass with 500 post threads.

HonestChieffan
03-11-2013, 10:42 PM
I think you raise a valid point. If the responses on this thread had been billed at a stealership, we'd be at $310,000 already.

$310,500 now

Hootie
03-11-2013, 10:45 PM
Hootie wipes his ass with 500 post threads.

well this one was a true surprise

Hootie
03-11-2013, 10:46 PM
it wasn't the standard...

'hey guys my friend roofied this chick at the bar last night and I had sex with her in the morning is that ok?'

thread

Hootie
03-11-2013, 10:47 PM
but there has been no Alex Smith references in this thread until just now so this has been my favorite thread of the month so far

Pablo
03-11-2013, 10:47 PM
well this one was a true surprise

Yeah, you didn't even piss on anyone. I'm a bit disappointed.

HonestChieffan
03-11-2013, 10:51 PM
but there has been no Alex Smith references in this thread until just now so this has been my favorite thread of the month so far

Alex is actually way more popular than all the Olathe Car dealerships added together after this thread.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 10:56 PM
You are fucking stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

I think my favorite part of this thread is watching the "Mexican" (who is in the financial industry) beat up on the "professional" auto mechanic.

Oh and NO, Exotar, Hootie did NOT use the word ENTITLED incorrectly. He pretty much nailed its usage.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 10:57 PM
You were INCREDIBLY condescending for no reason whatsoever in this post...and a post that was incredibly unnecessary in the first place.

You could have said:

"Yo, I work at the auto industry. No, we won't do it for $20. Don't even bother asking, that's insulting."

And I would have said, "gee, thanks. That's what I needed to know."

and thread could have been over

instead you called me a cheap dipshit because I don't feel the need to put a lot of $ into a car with 211,000 miles

I also quoted quite a few people over the course of a few pages, including your posts in ill refute of others' responses.

Condescending is one thing, as it is interpretive. However, it doesn't fit your accused crime of being.....whatever....because that post isn't riddled with "you're a dumb fuck, yada yada yada", I accurately described to you the business, what you'll expect to find if you did this or that, or the other, and so forth.

Sorry for painting you an accurate picture, next time I won't do you the favor of saving you the hassle or feeling of stupidity when you attempt such an insult.

Seriously, don't cry in your cocoa puffs about it.

You are fucking stupid.

Would you say that the automotive industry life cycle is at

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity

Definitely in a realm between its infancy and its adolescence. I say this with respect to the age of every other industry out there, which you don't seem to be doing, or seem to be ignorant of.

There are few industries "younger" than the automotive industry, if you take the time to actually think about it.

Yeah, that response came off as really "friendly".

Exoter, do you eat your lunch all alone?

I don't have time for lunch most days, but usually they are spent discussing customers we might run into, or the various intricacies of our work. At least right now in the off season that is how it is. During football season, dear lord you could cut the tension with a knife at our shop, we have a Donkey Fan and the entire F&I department bleeds red and gold.

I think you raise a valid point. If the responses on this thread had been billed at a stealership, we'd be at $310,000 already.

Ehhhh, probably more likely to be around the $1,500 mark in all reality, but his is a stealership, so you'll pay hourly for that, instead of a quoted book time.
Yeah, you didn't even piss on anyone. I'm a bit disappointed.

There was talk about someone pissing on his door handle, though.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 10:58 PM
I think my favorite part of this thread is watching the "Mexican" (who is in the financial industry) beat up on the "professional" auto mechanic.

Oh and NO, Exotar, Hootie did NOT use the word ENTITLED incorrectly. He pretty much nailed its usage.

No, no he did not.

Pablo
03-11-2013, 11:02 PM
No, no he did not.

Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:04 PM
Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

HA, this one won't take long. Besides not much left to say in this thread that hasn't been said by others.

But I will take the time to explain why Hootie used the term "entitled" correctly.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:05 PM
Well, you're going to have a fun, long time arguing with AC. I think he just might be pretty opinionated. And it kind of seems like maybe you are too.

Enjoy.

Oh I definitely am opinionated, of that everyone should be sure of.

However, he simply did not use the word correctly for what he was trying to describe, based off of the argument we were having. Nor did it accurately reflect the work he was describing by comparison, with any virtue towards their completion.

Only that he likes Mexicans because they aren't entitled and greedy.

Entitled, in this case, has no place, as the argument of entitlement is unfounded in the argument.

If he wants to broadly generalize Americans as entitled, there isn't the argument to make that statement in, as the entitlement issue has no footing without reason, and without reason there is no real argument.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:05 PM
HA, this one won't take long. Besides not much left to say in this thread that hasn't been said by others.

But I will take the time to explain why Hootie used the term "entitled" correctly.

By all means do so, I LOVE a good debate with someone who has functioning brain cells.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:07 PM
I don't really know what's going on, but I feel it is unfortunate that we will never catch the prick who knocked hooties mirror off.

That son of a bitch created all kinds of problems and he needs to pay.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:07 PM
I don't really know what's going on, but I feel it is unfortunate that we will never catch the prick who knocked hooties mirror off.

That son of a bitch created all kinds of problems and he needs to pay.

Is he paying a Small time shop? Stealership? Mexican? We need to know!

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:08 PM
By all means do so, I LOVE a good debate with someone who has functioning brain cells.


Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

Hootie
03-11-2013, 11:08 PM
No, no he did not.

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their fucking asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell fucking no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the FUCK out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy fucking piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, fucked up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

KC native
03-11-2013, 11:09 PM
Definitely in a realm between its infancy and its adolescence. I say this with respect to the age of every other industry out there, which you don't seem to be doing, or seem to be ignorant of.

There are few industries "younger" than the automotive industry, if you take the time to actually think about it.


We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0016718512002023-gr1.jpg

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:10 PM
Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

I don't think HE knows what he is in for, Debate is my forte! LMAO

I know one industry well and that is the restaurant industry. The best cooks were ALL Mexican...the ones who weren't never lasted. They wouldn't do that work for that pay. However, the best of the best were making $19-$20 an hour (had been there for 20 years)...

I would pay a Mexican $15 an hour to be a cook at my restaurant before I'd pay a white or a black person $10 an hour. They bust their fucking asses and do things more efficiently and better than the new age entitled American worker.

I used to bust my ass too...but I appreciated the fact the only reason I made the $$$ I did was because of the Mexican's who did all of the shitty work in the back (dishes, cook, bussing) and did it so well it allowed the restaurant to run efficiently. If we replaced those 30 Mexican's with 30 legal American's who would refuse to do the work that was asked of them the restaurant would be closed in a month.

I'm sure this very same thing occurs in the auto industry. Are these mexican cooks as good as a cullinary trained chef? hell fucking no.

Do I think the mexican on the corner is a good bet to fix my transmission when it has issues? Probably not.

do I lose sleep for putting it to 'the man' when I pay a street mexican $20 to fix something as easy as a side mirror rather than pay $95 for an hour of labor on something that doesn't mean a whole lot to me? Nope.

I respect the FUCK out of the working Mexican in the country. I don't care if they are "taking jobs"...because generally, at least in my old field (and even really in hotels with housekeeping as well) they are taking jobs that they CHERISH and WORK HARD AT without complaining and do 100 X better than the typical working class American.

the 20-30 year old American worker is a lazy fucking piece of shit now...especially the ones with no schooling...there are exceptions to every rule but if I ever owned a business that needed blue collar working I would pay more money and hire mexicans then pay less money and hire white/blacks

I'm not doing it for the cheap labor...I'm doing it because they get the job done.

5 years ago the local McDonalds was total shit...quality was terrible, fucked up every order...miserable place. Owner upped wages and hired a shit ton of mexicans and now it has to be the best McDonalds I've ever been to.

there is not a single working class person I respect more than the blue collar working mexican

until they get all domesticated and start becoming entitled like the blue collar working American

I'm not reading this, but you're racist, stupid, and a liberal from the sounds of it.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:11 PM
We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0016718512002023-gr1.jpg

So, because we are in a consolidation phase, my answer is incorrect?

You previously referenced that we've been making cars for over a hundred years now, as if the Industry's age is some kind of inclination towards its infancy, adolescence or maturity.

Do I need to reference a much, much older industry for you to understand the bigger picture?

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:11 PM
No, no he did not.

Let's take a look...

I love mexicans because they work hard and aren't entitled...like us greedy Americans.

best blue collar workers in the country

Entitled : qualified for or allowed or worthy of being chosen
Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...

a belief that one is deserving a particular reward or benefit

The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:12 PM
We have been in a consolidation phase for automakers for quite awhile. Would you like to revisit your characterization of what stage the automotive industry is again?

http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0016718512002023-gr1.jpg

Depends how you would like to characterize the automobile industry. In its infancy is alternative fuels, in it's decline are fossil fuel methods.

Hootie
03-11-2013, 11:13 PM
liberal?!?! LMAO

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:13 PM
Abort. Abort.


You're in over your head.

He'll start throwing words at you that are made up and make you think you know them.

Shut up you nirstabibulator!

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:14 PM
Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

FWIW, had he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:15 PM
Shut up you nirstabibulator!

I only did that once and it was for a hell of a lot of money.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:16 PM
Let's take a look...




Now this is the STRICT definition but in common parlance and in the context Hootie used it.. it means...



The workers he describes don't feel like they are OWED a high wage or cushy benefits instead they work their ass off and take what the market allows.

You can disagree that that is reality (you'd be dead wrong but feel free) but his word choice was absolutely fine and conveyed the meaning he was trying to put out there. That's the purpose of words.

Your argument works very well, if you don't take the context of the argument into consideration.

He's saying he likes Mexicans more, because they aren't going to charge you for having insurance, for being liable for damages, and taking RESPONSIBILITY for their work.

Entitled does not fit that description, nor his argument.

He says Americans are Entitled, when the Word entitled is NOT synonymous with Responsible.

What he meant to say is responsible, but he'd heave felt like an idiot for saying that, because it isn't what he meant. The issue stems from his lack of understanding the business model, and misrepresenting the work done cheaper, as them not being entitled. When in all actuality, the work isn't done cheaper because they aren't entitled.

The work is being done cheaper because they aren't LIABLE.


1 point, Exoter.

Next argument please.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:17 PM
FWIW, he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

True but his meaning was still conveyed and again.. that is the purpose of words. So I don't see how he used the word incorrectly. Exotar can say that it isn't true but would be hard pressed to say that his meaning wasn't apparent.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:19 PM
Depends how you would like to characterize the automobile industry. In its infancy is alternative fuels, in it's decline are fossil fuel methods.

Not to mention the industry is BARELY a hundred years old, and that doesn't even apply to the mass production of automobiles yet.

liberal?!?! LMAO

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

You just described a liberal. LMAO

FWIW, had he probably have put the word feel in front of entitled and none of this would be necessary.

The placement of words in a sentence, or lack thereof, can be very helpful....or detrimental.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:20 PM
True but his meaning was still conveyed and again.. that is the purpose of words. So I don't see how he used the word incorrectly. Exotar can say that it isn't true but would be hard pressed to say that his meaning wasn't apparent.

I just schooled the shit out of your "take" on my claim that he misused it.

Might want to go back and argue it, or admit defeat.:thumb:

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:21 PM
liberal?!?! LMAO

I have no political beliefs.

Check that...

as long as I can wake up, jerk off, play xbox, drink, have sex with random girls if I am lucky enough I don't give a shit about politics...

wake me up when I make more than $40K a year and don't spend all of my money on bar tabs and dirty sluts

so the next time I vote (which will be the first time), it'll be for a guy who guarantees me xbox and jerk off lube...that's something I can truly get behind

Rest assured when I say you won't be voting for me. There's now way in hell I hand a guy a bottle of jerk off lube for the purpose of getting him to get behind me.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:22 PM
Not to mention the industry is BARELY a hundred years old, and that doesn't even apply to the mass production of automobiles yet.



You just described a liberal. LMAO



The placement of words in a sentence, or lack thereof, can be very helpful....or detrimental.

Fucking liberals. We should just hang them.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:22 PM
Your argument works very well, if you don't take the context of the argument into consideration.

He's saying he likes Mexicans more, because they aren't going to charge you for having insurance, for being liable for damages, and taking RESPONSIBILITY for their work.

Entitled does not fit that description, nor his argument.

He says Americans are Entitled, when the Word entitled is NOT synonymous with Responsible.

What he meant to say is responsible, but he'd heave felt like an idiot for saying that, because it isn't what he meant. The issue stems from his lack of understanding the business model, and misrepresenting the work done cheaper, as them not being entitled. When in all actuality, the work isn't done cheaper because they aren't entitled.

The work is being done cheaper because they aren't LIABLE.


1 point, Exoter.

Next argument please.

Ouch.. no
Exotar 0
Exotar's understanding of the purpose of words -100
Exotar's understanding of what Hootie was saying -10000

Again.. you can argue his point but I (and everyone else here) knew what he meant when he used the word "entitled." AND it wasn't we all said ... "oh he said xxx but we know he meant yyy." No, he meant to say exactly what the word means in common usage in this context... therefore it was NOT the incorrect word. His use of the word conveyed exactly how he feels on the issue, therefore you need to argue his points not his word choice.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:23 PM
I just schooled the shit out of your "take" on my claim that he misused it.

Might want to go back and argue it, or admit defeat.:thumb:

Donnie, you are WAY out of your league on this one.

Hootie
03-11-2013, 11:23 PM
I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:25 PM
oh oh oh... I'll make this SUPER fair..

Let's ask KCNATIVE to judge!

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:26 PM
I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

I've heard if you don't vote then what happens you have to accept. Perhaps like some fuck in new england making your jerk off lube illegal due to environmental concerns or some bastard in texas jacking the price of xbox controllers to $200 a piece.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:27 PM
Fucking liberals. We should just hang them.

Agreed, lets do it.

Ouch.. no
Exotar 0
Exotar's understanding of the purpose of words -100
Exotar's understanding of what Hootie was saying -10000

Again.. you can argue his point but I (and everyone else here) knew what he meant when he used the word "entitled." AND it wasn't we all said ... "oh he said xxx but we know he meant yyy." No, he meant to say exactly what the word means in common usage in this context... therefore it was NOT the incorrect word. His use of the word conveyed exactly how he feels on the issue, therefore you need to argue his points not his word choice.

Wrong.

This entire thread before that comment of his, in reference to his love for mexicans, stemmed from the fact that they don't have to charge you for running a business, in direct reply to my response mentioning that you pay the prices you pay, because I have bills to pay such as insurance, because I am liable.

His argument is very clearly in statement that mexicans are cheap because they charge you for the work done, do it fast, and do it cheap.

This coming after my explanation that they can do this because the don't offer a warranty on their work or carry insurance for liabilities, a comment he later made if I am not mistaken, that he doesn't care about warranty work or insurance coverage for his "fucking mirror".

So no, you're wrong, very wrong, and he misused the word entirely, because he struggled to find the correct one to use in its place, because if he did use the correct word, it would actually have a negative connotation attached to it, for his mexicans, that it.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:27 PM
I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:30 PM
Donnie, you are WAY out of your league on this one.

I'm not out of my league here, not even in the slightest.

The argument is that he misused the words to convey his point, not his feelings.

He might FEEL that americans are entitled, thus his love for mexicans, but up until that statement, he was conveying the reasoning for their cheapness, and why he likes them, which stemmed from their lack of liability or responsibility.

Go back and read it if you actually think you have me beat here.

I'm a liberal because I don't care what happens around me as long as I get to do the things that make me happy?

If that's being a liberal then cool, I guess I'm a liberal.

Yes.

oh oh oh... I'll make this SUPER fair..

Let's ask KCNATIVE to judge!

Lets not have someone who openly voices his disapproval of me judge it.

We are both intelligence, why don't we judge for ourselves.

From the start of this argument, did he not remark that Mexicans are cheaper? Did he not admit that they were cheaper because they don't have warranties or carry insurance?

Simple Yes or No will work here.

I've heard if you don't vote then what happens you have to accept. Perhaps like some fuck in new england making your jerk off lube illegal due to environmental concerns or some bastard in texas jacking the price of xbox controllers to $200 a piece.

That's crazy talk! Shoot the liberals!

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:31 PM
No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

The fuck it does.

GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT.

He is DEFINITELY NOT LIBERTARIAN, and I question your grasp of politics now.

Also, calling him anarchist? Are you serious?

He's definitely more accurately liberal than anything else, and he has his agenda, xbox and lube.

Hootie
03-11-2013, 11:32 PM
No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

I have no issues with law and order, I realize the need.

I'm just a perpetual content. I'm single, I make enough money (not a lot, but enough) to do whatever I want, drink wherever I want, hit on any girls that I want (often unsuccessfully), buy whatever xbox game I want, pay all of my bills on time, sleep whenever I want, jerk it whenever I'm off work, etc...

I have literally no political beliefs. I don't make enough money where the tax bracket I'm in pisses me off...hippies make me laugh so I'd hate it if they disappeared...I literally just don't give a shit.

As long as America is still cool, we don't get nuked or taken over by China, I can still log onto xbox live and swear at 12 year olds, and I can chat with hot babes on a high speed internet connection I'm happy.

now if I ever make real money and have real life decisions maybe politics will someday interest me more than they do today...

but as of now I like Chiefs football, random promiscuous sex, Halo 3, wonderdogs and Jersey Mike's subs...that's it. And jerking off.

KC native
03-11-2013, 11:32 PM
oh oh oh... I'll make this SUPER fair..

Let's ask KCNATIVE to judge!




Lets not have someone who openly voices his disapproval of me judge it.

We are both intelligence, why don't we judge for ourselves.


ROFL there is no love lost between Austin and I.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:33 PM
Agreed, lets do it.



Wrong.

This entire thread before that comment of his, in reference to his love for mexicans, stemmed from the fact that they don't have to charge you for running a business, in direct reply to my response mentioning that you pay the prices you pay, because I have bills to pay such as insurance, because I am liable.

His argument is very clearly in statement that mexicans are cheap because they charge you for the work done, do it fast, and do it cheap.

This coming after my explanation that they can do this because the don't offer a warranty on their work or carry insurance for liabilities, a comment he later made if I am not mistaken, that he doesn't care about warranty work or insurance coverage for his "fucking mirror".

So no, you're wrong, very wrong, and he misused the word entirely, because he struggled to find the correct one to use in its place, because if he did use the correct word, it would actually have a negative connotation attached to it, for his mexicans, that it.

Oh dear. You don;t even know what we are arguing do you? We are not arguing wether he was RIGHT, we are arguing wether he knew what the word means and used it correctly to convey how he felt. He did.

Read his post about workers in the restaurant industry... it is CLEAR he knows the word and used it to convey the meaning he wanted. You can argue til your blue in the face that he is wrong... but you will continue to play the fool if you argue that he used the wrong word.

If I say the sky is black and it is daytime and it is blue... I may be wrong but I didn't misuse the word black.. I didn't pick the wrong word I was just wrong.

You claimed he misused (or didn't understand) the word... that clearly isn't the case. You SHOULD have argued that American workers are not (falsely) entitled vis a vis "Mexican" workers. Instead you attacked his word choice... and in a "real" debate you'd get your ass handed to you for doing so.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:33 PM
Agreed, lets do it.



Wrong.

This entire thread before that comment of his, in reference to his love for mexicans, stemmed from the fact that they don't have to charge you for running a business, in direct reply to my response mentioning that you pay the prices you pay, because I have bills to pay such as insurance, because I am liable.
He feels Mexicans are awesome. They can charge a lower price because they do not have huge overhead or legal operating costs.
His argument is very clearly in statement that mexicans are cheap because they charge you for the work done, do it fast, and do it cheap.
They do the job efficiently.
This coming after my explanation that they can do this because the don't offer a warranty on their work or carry insurance for liabilities, a comment he later made if I am not mistaken, that he doesn't care about warranty work or insurance coverage for his "****ing mirror".
Again we go into liability and legal implications of warrantied service.
So no, you're wrong, very wrong, and he misused the word entirely, because he struggled to find the correct one to use in its place, because if he did use the correct word, it would actually have a negative connotation attached to it, for his mexicans, that it.
For what it's worth, who gives a shit? The way he presented it is that Americans are lazy and Mexicans do not feel entitled and have to earn their money.

End of God damned debate, brought to you by a silky smooth liberal motherfucker.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:34 PM
I have no issues with law and order, I realize the need.



Then you are Predominantly NOT Libertarian at its core, and predominantly NOT Anarchist at its core.


You are definitely liberal.

KC native
03-11-2013, 11:34 PM
So, because we are in a consolidation phase, my answer is incorrect?

You previously referenced that we've been making cars for over a hundred years now, as if the Industry's age is some kind of inclination towards its infancy, adolescence or maturity.

Do I need to reference a much, much older industry for you to understand the bigger picture?

Words have meanings. The relative age of the automotive industry to other industries is irrelevant.

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:34 PM
The fuck it does.

GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT.

He is DEFINITELY NOT LIBERTARIAN, and I question your grasp of politics now.

Also, calling him anarchist? Are you serious?

He's definitely more accurately liberal than anything else, and he has his agenda, xbox and lube.

I know quite a bit about the actually person and a lazy(in regards to politics not overall) libertarian is a pretty spot on description of him.

Hootie
03-11-2013, 11:35 PM
this guy is reading way too far into things

1) blue collar mexican workers work harder and work for less than american blue collar workers (that are worth a damn)

every fucking mexican I have worked with in this country has two full time jobs...and work their fucking asses off doing them

I work 60 hours every week and that makes me the hardest working person amongst my friends...and it's not close.

compared to the mexican working class...I'm nothing. Those guys are true grinders.

the American working class is fucking shit now because everyone wants to make more $$$ but they want to make more $$$ while doing less work or cutting corners

that's just how it is

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:35 PM
No that makes you more of an anarchist or a super lazy non-idealistic libertarian. Liberals and Conservatives have agendas that are going to (at some point) harsh your buzz.

I was going to wish for a server to crash, but that would effect me. Therefore, I revised my evil juju. I hope all day tomorrow when walking on carpet that when you reach the door it shocks you. I mean every fucking time.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:37 PM
Oh dear. You don;t even know what we are arguing do you? We are not arguing wether he was RIGHT, we are arguing wether he knew what the word means and used it correctly to convey how he felt. He did.

Read his post about workers in the restaurant industry... it is CLEAR he knows the word and used it to convey the meaning he wanted. You can argue til your blue in the face that he is wrong... but you will continue to play the fool if you argue that he used the wrong word.

If I say the sky is black and it is daytime and it is blue... I may be wrong but I didn't misuse the word black.. I didn't pick the wrong word I was just wrong.

You claimed he misused (or didn't understand) the word... that clearly isn't the case. You SHOULD have argued that American workers are not (falsely) entitled vis a vis "Mexican" workers. Instead you attacked his word choice... and in a "real" debate you'd get your ass handed to you for doing so.

I'm not reading the entirety of your post, because you made a fatal error from the beginning.

We are not, actually, debating whether or not he knew the meaning of the word.

We are debating its usage as applied to the argument at hand, nothing more.

His usage of entitled, when discussing mexicans being cheaper beacuse they don't carry insurance or offer warranties, has nothing to do with entitlement, and everything to do with liability and responsibility.

If you believe the argument between you and I is about anything different, then you misunderstood or misinterpreted my contention that he misused the word, and would would do you well to go re-read the entirety of this thread, of which you did not participate in.

End of God damned debate, brought to you by a silky smooth liberal motherfucker.
:cuss:

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:40 PM
I was going to wish for a server to crash, but that would effect me. Therefore, I revised my evil juju. I hope all day tomorrow when walking on carpet that when you reach the door it shocks you. I mean every fucking time.

That will be strange since there are zero carpets that I walk on that are within a few feet of a door (only area rugs). I did however promise my young niece that she could cut my hair tomorrow... so I fully expect your juju to make me end up with a freakin mohawk.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 11:42 PM
That will be strange since there are zero carpets that I walk on that are within a few feet of a door (only area rugs). I did however promise my young niece that she could cut my hair tomorrow... so I fully expect your juju to make me end up with a freakin mohawk.

Perhaps.

lol

AustinChief
03-11-2013, 11:44 PM
I'm not reading the entirety of your post, because you made a fatal error from the beginning.

We are not, actually, debating whether or not he knew the meaning of the word.

We are debating its usage as applied to the argument at hand, nothing more.

His usage of entitled, when discussing mexicans being cheaper beacuse they don't carry insurance or offer warranties, has nothing to do with entitlement, and everything to do with liability and responsibility.

If you believe the argument between you and I is about anything different, then you misunderstood or misinterpreted my contention that he misused the word, and would would do you well to go re-read the entirety of this thread, of which you did not participate in.


:cuss:

Nope. I have read along the entire time.. Your argument has morphed into it's current state but you DID say...

You are misusing the word Entitled horrendously. Stop using that word.


And THAT is where I corrected you. You were WRONG. He used it exactly how he meant it.

You SHOULD have said...
You are WRONG.. American workers do not feel entitled. Stop making that false argument!

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:45 PM
Words have meanings. The relative age of the automotive industry to other industries is irrelevant.

Yes, words do have meanings. The Industry is young (as I said) by comparison to every other industry out there(as I said), and is only contested in youth by a handful of other industries, of which, have been spun off from other, much older industries.

I know quite a bit about the actually person and a lazy(in regards to politics not overall) libertarian is a pretty spot on description of him.

No, it isn't.

Libertarian is a pretty spot on description of me, and nothing he has said to me about his view on politics, says Libertarian. The fact that he says he has no view on politics, should be your first clue. Libertarians have a very specific and centric core philosophy that is conveyed in their politics.

He is not one, he is however, very liberal.

There might be better suited allegiances for him to claim, but of the predominant philosophies spoken or popular, he is more liberal than anything else.

this guy is reading way too far into things

1) blue collar mexican workers work harder and work for less than american blue collar workers (that are worth a damn)

every fucking mexican I have worked with in this country has two full time jobs...and work their fucking asses off doing them

I work 60 hours every week and that makes me the hardest working person amongst my friends...and it's not close.

compared to the mexican working class...I'm nothing. Those guys are true grinders.

the American working class is fucking shit now because everyone wants to make more $$$ but they want to make more $$$ while doing less work or cutting corners

that's just how it is

1. They can because they do not carry insurance, offer warranties, and do not pay legal taxes, most of them do not file taxes, and work under the table. Because of this need, because they are undocumented, they have to work less appealing jobs where they can be paid next to nothing, under the table, for tax reasons to their employer.

Trust me, I know how that world works all too well.

They might be true grinders, but they do it illegally and do not benefit anyone in this country in doing so. In fact, because of them, more is spent because of them, than they bring to us in the savings on cheap labor, not to mention they represent a HUGE liability for many industries due to their undocumented work that must be written off by others.

You say they work hard.

Try working 60 hours a week and going to school full time, all of it lawful, paying taxes, paying tuition, and without using anyone else to lean on financially. Did I mention the part where I was running my own business on top of that?

That's hard work, and I know White Americans that work MUCH harder than I do.

Your life experiences thus far have lent you to a very dangerous, very wrongfully opinionated stance on politics, yet you claim no political view.

You might want to check that again.
I was going to wish for a server to crash, but that would effect me. Therefore, I revised my evil juju. I hope all day tomorrow when walking on carpet that when you reach the door it shocks you. I mean every fucking time.
Hell hath no fury?

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:49 PM
Nope. I have read along the entire time.. Your argument has morphed into it's current state but you DID say...



And THAT is where I corrected you. You were WRONG. He used it exactly how he meant it.

You SHOULD have said...

NO, I shouldn't have said that. My argument had nothing to do with American workers up until that point, neither did the context of the post.

Just as he shouldn't have said entitled when referencing his Mexicans being cheap in response to mine about the fact that they do not pay for insurance or carry warranties.

A point you've been avoiding this entire time, because if you admit it was said, you lose the debate, to refute the claim that it was said, breeds ignorance of the fact.

Basically, you lost this debate before you posted, because you forget to consider or check the context of the response before you tried to correct me.

You lost bud, sorry.

And if you continue to claim that you've won, I'll repeat again.

Did the OP not reply or acknowledge the reference that Mexicans are cheap because they do not have to carry insurance, or carry a warranty?

Simple yes or no here.

tk13
03-11-2013, 11:50 PM
As a side note, I'm going to start knocking up the price of my posts by 120%. I've refined my posting style for years to entertain you people, and you can't get this kind of high quality posting anywhere else.

Exoter175
03-11-2013, 11:51 PM
Putting this here for later use.


conĚtext
[kon-tekst] Show IPA
noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.

AustinChief
03-12-2013, 12:15 AM
NO, I shouldn't have said that. My argument had nothing to do with American workers up until that point, neither did the context of the post.

Just as he shouldn't have said entitled when referencing his Mexicans being cheap in response to mine about the fact that they do not pay for insurance or carry warranties.

A point you've been avoiding this entire time, because if you admit it was said, you lose the debate, to refute the claim that it was said, breeds ignorance of the fact.

Basically, you lost this debate before you posted, because you forget to consider or check the context of the response before you tried to correct me.

You lost bud, sorry.

And if you continue to claim that you've won, I'll repeat again.

Did the OP not reply or acknowledge the reference that Mexicans are cheap because they do not have to carry insurance, or carry a warranty?

Simple yes or no here.

Is English your first language? I'll let this all slide if your using Google Translate for all of your posts.

You're slipping and sliding all over the place on this debate. Let me give you an example of what you sound like.

ME: Bluebirds are blue! I hate Bluebirds.

YOU: You obviously don't understand what the word BLUE means.

ME: Um, Bluebirds ARE blue and I don't like them at all.

YOU: You're wrong not to like bluebirds! They are nice birds!

ME: Well they ARE BLUE and no they are mean ass birds.

YOU: Bluebirds are nice to people they are only mean to other birds.. that makes them nice!

KCNATIVE: Um, I think Austinchief is right, bluebirds are blue.

YOU: NOPE he clearly doesn't understand the meaning of the word blue! I proved that when I said they were nice! CONTEXT! DEBATE OVER I WIN!

Did that make any sense? It shouldn't. It follows the same lack of cohesion and logic that your argument does.

Hootie's argument about Mexican workers being cheap had to do with a lack of a sense of entitlement. YOU brought in the lack of overhead. He is free to admit that that is ALSO true but it doesn't invalidate or have ANY bearing on his original point.
AGAIN.. you were WRONG to say he shouldn't use the WORD... you can argue that he was wrong to make the point but it doesn't change the FACT that in CONTEXT he still used the word to correctly convey how he felt. Right or wrong on his point his word choice was fine.

Phobia
03-12-2013, 01:02 AM
Would anybody be upset if I closed and hid this trainwreck?

morphius
03-12-2013, 01:37 AM
This makes me want to lock Exotar and Denise in their own forum. They could argue in circles, completely missing each others point, until their hands cramped up...

Hootie
03-12-2013, 05:20 AM
Would anybody be upset if I closed and hid this trainwreck?

No

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:18 AM
Did you see this part? "if it costs $50+ for labor on something that shouldn't take more than 10 minutes then forget it"



Does your current doctor do that?



Why? Because I call it how it is?

Oh noes, I might hurt a few feelings.

Well suck it up sunshine, I live in the real world where there are no unicorns, where hard work pays off, and paying your dues allows you to move up the latter, and idiots like Sauto will always drag you down so they don't feel left in the dust.:thumb:
Move up the latter. Lol
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Bwana
03-12-2013, 06:20 AM
Would anybody be upset if I closed and hid this trainwreck?

Heh, just move it over to DC.

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:21 AM
And ftr this guy knows absolutely nothing about the quality of work I demand leaving my shop or my actual education level.

So talk it down all you want douche.

Btw I've never seen a super diagnostic hero have a Monday off.

Especially at a dealership. Must be low on that totem pole to have had to work a Saturday.
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HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 06:39 AM
There is so much potential here it would be a shame to see it go

seclark
03-12-2013, 07:56 AM
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loochy
03-12-2013, 08:07 AM
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i only wannnnabe with yoouuuuuu

mikeyis4dcats.
03-12-2013, 09:05 AM
http://roflcon.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/brawndo_logo.jpg

Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 09:37 AM
I'm not sure why we would want to kill this thread, it could be very informative for anyone who needs to replace a passenger side mirror in the future. I think there are at least 5 or 6 posts that actually discuss the process.

HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 10:13 AM
I'm not sure why we would want to kill this thread, it could be very informative for anyone who needs to replace a passenger side mirror in the future. I think there are at least 5 or 6 posts that actually discuss the process.

No one proposed getting rid of the door and replace the door as a unit.

Nor did we ever really establish the mirror was ever actually on correctly. Hootie may have just noticed it was buggered up.

Whats it cost to have a door installed if you have the new door and all you need done is remove and replace?

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:19 AM
Is English your first language? I'll let this all slide if your using Google Translate for all of your posts.

You're slipping and sliding all over the place on this debate. Let me give you an example of what you sound like.

ME: Bluebirds are blue! I hate Bluebirds.

YOU: You obviously don't understand what the word BLUE means.

ME: Um, Bluebirds ARE blue and I don't like them at all.

YOU: You're wrong not to like bluebirds! They are nice birds!

ME: Well they ARE BLUE and no they are mean ass birds.

YOU: Bluebirds are nice to people they are only mean to other birds.. that makes them nice!

KCNATIVE: Um, I think Austinchief is right, bluebirds are blue.

YOU: NOPE he clearly doesn't understand the meaning of the word blue! I proved that when I said they were nice! CONTEXT! DEBATE OVER I WIN!

Did that make any sense? It shouldn't. It follows the same lack of cohesion and logic that your argument does.

Hootie's argument about Mexican workers being cheap had to do with a lack of a sense of entitlement. YOU brought in the lack of overhead. He is free to admit that that is ALSO true but it doesn't invalidate or have ANY bearing on his original point.
AGAIN.. you were WRONG to say he shouldn't use the WORD... you can argue that he was wrong to make the point but it doesn't change the FACT that in CONTEXT he still used the word to correctly convey how he felt. Right or wrong on his point his word choice was fine.

I'm not reading through that AC, what I do know is that you did not answer my question of context, you ignored it because you know you are wrong.

I questioned the usage of the word based on the context, you weren't following this thread post by post so you jumped in to correct me, only to be found wrong because your interpretation of his intent, didn't follow the context.

So, if you'll politely fuck off instead of trying to retread this debate into something it isn't, that would be great. His context bred the misuse of the word. Simple as that.

Would anybody be upset if I closed and hid this trainwreck?

Go for it.
Move up the latter. Lol
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latĚter
/ˈlatər/
Adjective

Situated or occurring nearer to the end of something than to the beginning.
Belonging to the final stages of something.
And ftr this guy knows absolutely nothing about the quality of work I demand leaving my shop or my actual education level.

So talk it down all you want douche.

Btw I've never seen a super diagnostic hero have a Monday off.

Especially at a dealership. Must be low on that totem pole to have had to work a Saturday.
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Jason, I don't know your work, and I don't know your education.

That being said, since you trashed me on MY education, and trashed me on my hours, it leads me to believe that not only am I more educated than you are, but I do better work.

Don't like it, eat a bag of dicks. You work in the sticks, I worked in the metro. I serviced more cars with a higher demand for quality than you do. Simple as that.

Now, get over yourself and get back to work Mr. busy.

bevischief
03-12-2013, 10:26 AM
wtf happened in this thread?

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:29 AM
wtf happened in this thread?

Mexicans apparently.LMAO

Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 10:30 AM
wtf happened in this thread?
It went full Chiefsplanet.

Hootie
03-12-2013, 10:31 AM
wtf happened in this thread?

Exoter shot a wad full of his AIDS all over it...he contracted them at an Ivy league school when he got his Jiffy Lube degree.

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:33 AM
Exoter shot a wad full of his AIDS all over it...he contracted them at an Ivy league school when he got his Jiffy Lube degree.

How's your mirror?

Get a mexican to fix it yet?

crossbow
03-12-2013, 10:38 AM
Wow, that is one radically complex mirror. Might be cheeper to just trade the car.

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:40 AM
Wow, that is one radically complex mirror. Might be cheeper to just trade the car.

It takes an hour to fix. AN HOUR. Aint nobody got time for that, junk the car and buy a bicycle.

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 10:40 AM
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Jason, I don't know your work, and I don't know your education.

That being said, since you trashed me on MY education, and trashed me on my hours, it leads me to believe that not only am I more educated than you are, but I do better work.

Don't like it, eat a bag of dicks. You work in the sticks, I worked in the metro. I serviced more cars with a higher demand for quality than you do. Simple as that.

Now, get over yourself and get back to work Mr. busy.i trashed you on artificially inflating your hours.

i also trashed you on your education because you are spewing shit that is actually in NO WAY FEASIBLE in a real world environment and made absolutely no sense (about brake lines).

i could give a fuck where i work or where you work.

i actually FIX cars.

every day. where my shop is located has NO BEARING on my competency as a mechanic.


and i worked for quite some time in that very same metro area as you did. i'm here because thats the way I CHOSE to live my life.

only person full of themselves around these parts is you.


kindly go fuck yourself. i have work to do. its beginning to appear you are umemployed

Hootie
03-12-2013, 10:40 AM
How's your mirror?

Get a mexican to fix it yet?

no he couldn't provide to me the proper degrees or certification...I told him at the very least he'd need his bachelors and he told me he wasn't really a big Sean Lowe fan

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 10:44 AM
latĚter
/ˈlatər/
Adjective

Situated or occurring nearer to the end of something than to the beginning.
Belonging to the final stages of something.



.yeah i know the definition of latter.

just wondering how it worked in the context of your post.

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:46 AM
i trashed you on artificially inflating your hours.

i also trashed you on your education because you are spewing shit that is actually in NO WAY FEASIBLE in a real world environment and made absolutely no sense (about brake lines).

i could give a fuck where i work or where you work.

i actually FIX cars.

every day. where my shop is located has NO BEARING on my competency as a mechanic.


and i worked for quite some time in that very same metro area as you did. i'm here because thats the way I CHOSE to live my life.

only person full of themselves around these parts is you.


kindly go fuck yourself. i have work to do. its beginning to appear you are umemployed

You trashed me on something I didn't do, such as artificially inflating my hours, which I don't.

You trashed me on my education because I have more than you do. Your quote was "Overeducated knowitall".

You trash me left and right for "failed businesses" when each of them was profitable, and one I sold FOR a profit.

And you had zero room to talk down to me in the other thread, as I was 110% correct on everything I said.

It isn't my fault I knew more about the topic because I went to school for it.

I explained how it was and you got on MY case about it, not the other way around. You tried to correct ME about 110% factual information.

Why? Because the almighty Sauto is the king of cars on CP and will not be challenged by any man apparently.

Guess what Sauto, I'm smarter, more successful, and I know more about cars than you do because I decided to become educated in them, beyond what I already knew.

Congratulations though, you do have more experience.:thumb:

no he couldn't provide to me the proper degrees or certification...I told him at the very least he'd need his bachelors and he told me he wasn't really a big Sean Lowe fan

He's too entitled, right?

Hootie
03-12-2013, 10:47 AM
no such thing as an entitled mexican in america

those are called domesticated mexicans

get with it

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:48 AM
yeah i know the definition of latter.

just wondering how it worked in the context of your post.

You might be content being just an everyday mechanic, I am not. I want to be at the end of my career field, which is why I went to school for it.:thumb:

Exoter175
03-12-2013, 10:49 AM
no such thing as an entitled mexican in america

those are called domesticated mexicans

get with it

They hop the fence into my country and expect to work because they'll undercut everyone else's rate.

That's entitlement.

Hootie
03-12-2013, 10:51 AM
They hop the fence into my country and expect to work because they'll undercut everyone else's rate.

That's entitlement.

without mexican's good luck enjoying a tasty meal at TGI Friday's...

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 10:51 AM
You trashed me on something I didn't do, such as artificially inflating my hours, which I don't.

You trashed me on my education because I have more than you do. Your quote was "Overeducated knowitall".

You trash me left and right for "failed businesses" when each of them was profitable, and one I sold FOR a profit.

And you had zero room to talk down to me in the other thread, as I was 110% correct on everything I said.

It isn't my fault I knew more about the topic because I went to school for it.

I explained how it was and you got on MY case about it, not the other way around. You tried to correct ME about 110% factual information.

Why? Because the almighty Sauto is the king of cars on CP and will not be challenged by any man apparently.

Guess what Sauto, I'm smarter, more successful, and I know more about cars than you do because I decided to become educated in them, beyond what I already knew.

Congratulations though, you do have more experience.:thumb:



He's too entitled, right?no you were WRONG 100% Wrong.

you arent the only person that ever went to school for mechanics buddy.


hell you even said all brake lines on a vehicle had to be the same lengthLMAO

might as well put me back on ignore dude.

mr. unemployed

Hootie
03-12-2013, 10:51 AM
unless you're ok with 45 minute appetizers and hamburgers that taste like ghetto nutsack

J Diddy
03-12-2013, 10:57 AM
i trashed you on artificially inflating your hours.

i also trashed you on your education because you are spewing shit that is actually in NO WAY FEASIBLE in a real world environment and made absolutely no sense (about brake lines).

i could give a **** where i work or where you work.

i actually FIX cars.

every day. where my shop is located has NO BEARING on my competency as a mechanic.


and i worked for quite some time in that very same metro area as you did. i'm here because thats the way I CHOSE to live my life.

only person full of themselves around these parts is you.


kindly go **** yourself. i have work to do. its beginning to appear you are umemployed

Heh.

It'd be more believable that you weren't inflating your hours if you weren't on a discussion board at 11:30.

Put the phone down, pick up a wrench. Lunch is at noon motherfucker.

:evil:

J Diddy
03-12-2013, 10:59 AM
no he couldn't provide to me the proper degrees or certification...I told him at the very least he'd need his bachelors and he told me he wasn't really a big Sean Lowe fan

The real question: does the bachelors have to be in some fashion of automotive repair?

Throw the art and history majors a bone here.

ChiTown
03-12-2013, 10:59 AM
Grease Monkey FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steron
03-12-2013, 10:59 AM
I just read through everything I missed in this thread. Best and worst hour of my day. I feel smarter and stupider for having done so. Now, I'm hungry.

Any Mexicans want to go pick me up some lunch?

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 11:00 AM
You might be content being just an everyday mechanic, I am not. I want to be at the end of my career field, which is why I went to school for it.:thumb:

Yeah it would still be "move up the ladder"

but you know it all, right?
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J Diddy
03-12-2013, 11:02 AM
Yeah it would still be "move up the ladder"

but you know it all, right?
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You guys don't use ladders. That's a construction worker.

We can tell who ain't got their Masters.

Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 11:11 AM
I just read through everything I missed in this thread. Best and worst hour of my day. I feel smarter and stupider for having done so. Now, I'm hungry.

Any Mexicans want to go pick me up some lunch?
Have them pick me up a Jack Daniel's sampler platter at TGI Fridays.

Hootie
03-12-2013, 11:17 AM
all I'm saying is

TGI Friday's...Chili's...Olive Garden...Bennigan's...any chain

The Mexican's are doing the cooking...and they aren't wearing gloves in case you're wondering. I promise.

notorious
03-12-2013, 11:18 AM
600 posts.


600 mother fucking posts over a mirror.

:facepalm:

Hootie
03-12-2013, 11:19 AM
and I've had two great ideas over the years and one of the is 1-800-callamexican

hungry for a place that doesn't deliver? Shit, call a mexican...throw 'em a $5.

don't feel like mowing the lawn?! Call the mexican hotline...throw 'em a $20.

don't feel like banging your wife? Call a mexican...he'll do it free. Don't matter what she looks like.

Big Smoke
03-12-2013, 11:19 AM
Wtf happened here?

Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 11:23 AM
Now that we have the passenger side covered, can we discuss the procedure for the driver's side?

KC native
03-12-2013, 11:25 AM
600 posts.


600 mother fucking posts over a mirror.

:facepalm:

CP is awesome sometimes isn't it?

KC native
03-12-2013, 11:31 AM
And Exorter,

Henry Ford began MASS PRODUCTION of the Model T in 1908. Automobiles were being made prior to this as well.

Only in your self important "I went to mechanic's school" mind is the automotive industry considered in adolescence. Relative age to other industries doesn't mean shit. The actual activity determines where in the industry life cycle is a certain industry.

Hootie
03-12-2013, 11:33 AM
this place went to hell ever since they banned Short Leash Hootie

Saul Good
03-12-2013, 11:41 AM
this place went to hell ever since they banned Short Leash Hootie

Screw that guy. He thought Michael Jordan was a great basketball player. We don't need people like that around here. We need people who still say that Jake Long was a better choice for the Dolphins than Matt Ryan would have been.

Hootie
03-12-2013, 11:46 AM
Screw that guy. He thought Michael Jordan was a great basketball player. We don't need people like that around here. We need people who still say that Jake Long was a better choice for the Dolphins than Matt Ryan would have been.

He must have never seen Kobe Bryant play...

King_Chief_Fan
03-12-2013, 11:51 AM
Now that we have the passenger side covered, can we discuss the procedure for the driver's side?

see the post where notorious pasted a link to a picture of a monkey sitting on the drivers side......it will crack you up

notorious
03-12-2013, 11:55 AM
see the post where notorious pasted a link to a picture of a monkey sitting on the drivers side......it will crack you up

That was 11tybillion posts ago. You know, back when we thought this thread was going to die.

King_Chief_Fan
03-12-2013, 11:56 AM
That was 11tybillion posts ago. You know, back when we thought this thread was going to die.

can't help it....the look on that monkey's face makes me laugh just thinking about it

Hootie
03-12-2013, 11:58 AM
if anyone is bored I could probably find a way to steer this off subject and make it last another 400 posts

notorious
03-12-2013, 11:58 AM
LMAO

WTF?

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4778100495614522&pid=15.1


Still funny.

notorious
03-12-2013, 11:59 AM
if anyone is bored I could probably find a way to steer this off subject and make it last another 400 posts

Hootie, you could start a thread about dirt and it would explode to 1000 posts.

Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 12:07 PM
Still funny.
That's exactly what happens when you hire a mexican. Had you paid the extra 10% labor hour that mirror would be monkey-free.

Saul Good
03-12-2013, 01:01 PM
That's exactly what happens when you hire a mexican. Had you paid the extra 10% labor hour that mirror would be monkey-free.

I know a Portugese who would remove that monkey in exchange for a small bag of Doritos.

Groves
03-12-2013, 03:50 PM
I can't tell if this thread is in its:

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity


I'm not sure any thread gets beyond B here at CP, so maybe both B and C apply?

HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 04:29 PM
I can't tell if this thread is in its:

A) infancy

B) adolescence

C) maturity


I'm not sure any thread gets beyond B here at CP, so maybe both B and C apply?

Graph or GTFO

Groves
03-12-2013, 04:45 PM
I'm still getting my certification graph making. Only 26 more hours of classroom instruction. These guys really know graphs!

Dartgod
03-12-2013, 05:01 PM
I'm smarter, more successful, and I know more about cars than you do because I decided to become educated in them, beyond what I already knew.

Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me...what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?

HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 05:54 PM
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me...what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?

5 degrees BTDC?

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 05:58 PM
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me...what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
Lol. What should the dwell be?
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Saul Good
03-12-2013, 06:11 PM
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me...what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?

That's a bullshit question.

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:14 PM
That's a bullshit question.

Why Saul?
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HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 06:17 PM
Lol. What should the dwell be?
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Dont dwell on that. Thats the point. Plug this.

Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 06:18 PM
18465372

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:19 PM
Lol, bug.
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HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 06:19 PM
Its 719pm. Do you know where your feeler gauge is?

Saul Good
03-12-2013, 06:21 PM
Why Saul?
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Because Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55. The 327 didn't come out until '62, and it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four barrel carb 'til 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:22 PM
I actually had a customer give me an old dwell meter when I opened the shop. It's in a nice wood box and has the original manual. It has the dwell settings for most cars that had points. Timing settings. Carb settings.

It's a pretty cool old tool. I still have it
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SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:23 PM
Because Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55. The 327 didn't come out until '62, and it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four barrel carb 'til 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center. lol. But you gave it away.

Fucker. LMAO
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SAUTO
03-12-2013, 06:23 PM
Its 719pm. Do you know where your feeler gauge is?

On my keys. On the mantle.
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J Diddy
03-12-2013, 06:32 PM
Because Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55. The 327 didn't come out until '62, and it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four barrel carb 'til 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.

My cousin Vinnie reference. Bonus.:thumb:

mikeyis4dcats.
03-12-2013, 06:56 PM
anybody know where i can get curb feelers installed?

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 07:01 PM
anybody know where i can get curb feelers installed?
probably on quindaro
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HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 07:29 PM
I actually had a customer give me an old dwell meter when I opened the shop. It's in a nice wood box and has the original manual. It has the dwell settings for most cars that had points. Timing settings. Carb settings.

It's a pretty cool old tool. I still have it
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When I hear someone refer to a modern device like a dwell meter as old it makes me feel old.

HonestChieffan
03-12-2013, 07:31 PM
anybody know where i can get curb feelers installed?

Talk to the service genie, hes the guy in the white shirt. Hes gonna up charge you an extra 30 minutes though. Have a seat in the waiting room and enjoy a nice chai.

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 07:34 PM
When I hear someone refer to a modern device like a dwell meter as old it makes me feel old.

Lol. This thing is from the sixties
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Bugeaterface
03-12-2013, 07:40 PM
Just hook it up to your SunTune machine.

SAUTO
03-12-2013, 07:47 PM
Just hook it up to your SunTune machine.

Honestly I just threw one on the I junk guys trailer about six months ago.

I would even use it about once a year... Took up too much room
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SAUTO
03-12-2013, 07:51 PM
Talk to the service genie, hes the guy in the white shirt. Hes gonna up charge you an extra 30 minutes though. Have a seat in the waiting room and enjoy a nice chai.
Lol. I don't even get what amenities he could have over a shop like mine.

The secretary picks up and delivers cars. Coffee and donuts (working on the daylight donuts delivery car pays) every morning, satellite TV. Satellite radio, nice chairs, heated and air conditioned, WI FI. OFFICE is actually not even part of the shop, but customers are always welcome to watch if they would like.

Hell short of giving hand jobs I think I've got it all covered...

And that's actually out of the question.
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Big Smoke
05-20-2013, 03:08 AM
some dipshit kicked/punched my side mirror off and I had to go to ebay to buy a replacement...

I am not savvy enough (I'm a dipshit) to install it myself and I am getting a little bit of work done tomorrow at an auto shop and I'm going to bring the mirror with me and ask them to install it for me...

how much should I be expecting them to charge me for that labor since I have already bought the part?

I think it was Gonzo who did it...