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alnorth
03-11-2013, 02:02 PM
A judge has blocked that stupid large soda ban, you may now get your Big Gulps if you are in NYC.

http://wkzo.com/news/articles/2013/mar/11/judge-tosses-new-york-citys-planned-ban-on-large-sugary-drinks/

aturnis
03-11-2013, 02:03 PM
They are now free to drink their large sodas and simultaneously b**** about the cost of our healthcare system. Kudos to them. Idiots.

KC Tattoo
03-11-2013, 02:18 PM
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chiefzilla1501
03-11-2013, 02:27 PM
They are now free to drink their large sodas and simultaneously b**** about the cost of our healthcare system. Kudos to them. Idiots.

Agreed

Third Eye
03-11-2013, 02:35 PM
They are now free to drink their large sodas and simultaneously b**** about the cost of our healthcare system. Kudos to them. Idiots.

C'mon, banning them was a tremendously poor decision. They should be legal, but taxed to all hell. If you want to kill yourself slowly, it should cost you 5 bucks a pop. Pun intended.

Predarat
03-11-2013, 02:36 PM
Their Hitler Mayor is going to be upset about that.

Bambi
03-11-2013, 02:39 PM
Yea Bloomberg went a bit too far on this one. Not very many people were happy about it. I was particularly concerned with people buying multiple sodas or coffees and all the extra waste that created.

It'll never happen, Bloomberg is gone in a few months.

Just Passin' By
03-11-2013, 02:40 PM
Sadly, the judge did not also block Bloomberg from continuing on as Mayor. He'll come up with another idiotic notion soon enough.

lcarus
03-11-2013, 02:41 PM
Sadly, the judge did not also block Bloomberg from continuing on as Mayor. He'll come up with another idiotic notion soon enough.

This

DumbHillbillies
03-11-2013, 02:45 PM
They are now free to drink their large sodas and simultaneously b**** about the cost of our healthcare system. Kudos to them. Idiots.

This

DumbHillbillies
03-11-2013, 02:45 PM
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And this is just hilarious

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
03-11-2013, 03:17 PM
Its not the soda ban...its the actions of Fuhr Bloomberg that are getting out of hand. That is waaaaaayyyy too much government rule. And if you want that type of lifestyle, then move to NY. I don't need politicians telling me how to wipe my ass, what ear buds I can use, what type of drink I can and can't have and so on.

Government and local public service have lost sight of this and we create silly rules just to create them. At the end of the day, government should be about public works (i.e. infrastructure), public safety (police/fire/paramedics) and public fun (parks and recreation and libraries).

If NY put the same amount of money ---dollar for dollar--- that they spent on this stupid soda ban into a public program promoting fitness and wellness they could have accomplished more.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-11-2013, 03:28 PM
They need to pave the alleys with urnal cakes anyway. oh... The JETS Suck.

crossbow
03-11-2013, 03:32 PM
Fuhrer Bloomberg vill haf difficult time for re-election.


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Spott
03-11-2013, 04:34 PM
I don't drink much pop, but it's pretty stupid to try and force people to drink less just by making the cup sizes smaller. I'm sure there's much more important things NY needs to be worrying about than people drinking big gulps.

chiefzilla1501
03-11-2013, 04:46 PM
I don't drink much pop, but it's pretty stupid to try and force people to drink less just by making the cup sizes smaller. I'm sure there's much more important things NY needs to be worrying about than people drinking big gulps.

The spiraling health care costs from people eating and drinking sugar and fat like maniacs is top priority in my book. This is the wrong way to do it but controlling obesity is unbelievably important. Because we all benefit big time from a health. Are system that starts slashing costs.

notorious
03-11-2013, 04:49 PM
Execute the fat people.



/Omaha

theelusiveeightrop
03-11-2013, 05:39 PM
Meth and Big Gulps. Reunited at last.

John_Wayne
03-11-2013, 07:00 PM
They are now free to drink their large sodas and simultaneously b**** about the cost of our healthcare system. Kudos to them. Idiots. Drinking beer and alcohol is bad for your health and certainly increases health insurance rates. Maybe they should try to ban alcohol too? Oh, wait.....

petegz28
03-11-2013, 08:06 PM
This is 'Murica!!! Cheers...BIATCH!

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Omaha
03-11-2013, 08:10 PM
Execute the fat people.



/Omaha

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EagleRob
03-12-2013, 04:23 AM
This reminded me of prohibition. I wonder if the underground speakeasys in Manhattan were selling a variety of moonshine carbonated beverages.

Spott
03-12-2013, 04:30 AM
The spiraling health care costs from people eating and drinking sugar and fat like maniacs is top priority in my book. This is the wrong way to do it but controlling obesity is unbelievably important. Because we all benefit big time from a health. Are system that starts slashing costs.

Maybe they could try eating less and exercising more.

rabblerouser
03-12-2013, 04:43 AM
Drinking beer and alcohol is bad for your health and certainly increases health insurance rates. Maybe they should try to ban alcohol too? Oh, wait.....

Apples and oranges; you have to be 21+ to buy alcohol, and it is taxed all to hell already...

Omaha
03-12-2013, 07:28 AM
The spiraling health care costs from people eating and drinking sugar and fat like maniacs is top priority in my book. This is the wrong way to do it but controlling obesity is unbelievably important. Because we all benefit big time from a health. Are system that starts slashing costs.

It continues to amaze me that people just refuse to take care of themselves. What is it about what seems to be a growing number of people that makes them ignore the fact that they are disgusting and giving themselves ridiculous health problems? We had to start a wellness program at work to try to encourage people to take care of themselves. Why can't people see that they should already be doing that?

Omaha
03-12-2013, 07:31 AM
This reminded me of prohibition. I wonder if the underground speakeasys in Manhattan were selling a variety of moonshine carbonated beverages.

Nah. Fat people are too lazy to do anything like that. They'll just complain... and eat.

Predarat
03-12-2013, 08:13 AM
Gubbment needs to ban cheeseburgers.

notorious
03-12-2013, 08:33 AM
I will be honest, the first thought that enters my mind when I see an extremely fat person is "lazy".

aturnis
03-12-2013, 08:43 AM
Drinking beer and alcohol is bad for your health and certainly increases health insurance rates. Maybe they should try to ban alcohol too? Oh, wait.....

Who said anything about banning anything? Dumbass.

KC_Lee
03-12-2013, 08:47 AM
People with weight problems, the one group of people that can be made fun of without fear of repercussions.


Execute the fat people.



Like.


Replace "fat people" with any of the following;
Black people
White people
Asians
Hispanics
Gay people
Southern people
New Yorker residents
etc...

Feel good about yourselves?

Omaha
03-12-2013, 09:28 AM
People with weight problems, the one group of people that can be made fun of without fear of repercussions.





Replace "fat people" with any of the following;
Black people
White people
Asians
Hispanics
Gay people
Southern people
New Yorker residents
etc...

Feel good about yourselves?

The HUGE difference is that being fat is a choice.

KC_Lee
03-12-2013, 09:32 AM
The HUGE difference is that being fat is a choice.

So folks that turn to food vs. drugs and or booze never factor into any part of this? Fat people are just lazy.

Omaha
03-12-2013, 09:39 AM
So folks that turn to food vs. drugs and or booze never factor into any part of this? Fat people are just lazy.

Those are obviously all bad choices. Are you trying to make a point about something?

You're all over the board here. First, you seem to suggest that making comments about fat people is some how racist or bigoted and now you're dragging alcoholics and druggies into the discussion to somehow make fat people seem less lazy?

notorious
03-12-2013, 09:39 AM
Fat people are just lazy.

I already said that's the first thing that crosses my mind, and I will wait patiently for you to find a single link of any info that says otherwise.


I really don't care either way, but the sooner that people embrace the truth, the better.


On a side note, please don't associate Omaha's defiintion of fat with my own.


Omaha fat:

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4910802101667572&pid=15.1


Notorious fat:

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5036318171990795&pid=15.1

Omaha
03-12-2013, 09:41 AM
So folks that turn to food vs. drugs and or booze never factor into any part of this? Fat people are just lazy.

Why must one "turn to" things? Why can't people just be responsible for their own actions?

Omaha
03-12-2013, 09:43 AM
I already said that's the first thing that crosses my mind, and I will wait patiently for you to find a single link of any info that says otherwise.


I really don't care either way, but the sooner that people embrace the truth, the better.


On a side note, please don't associate Omaha's defiintion of fat with my own.


Omaha fat:

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4910802101667572&pid=15.1


Notorious fat (AKA Hawk's Nice rack/totally doable):

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5036318171990795&pid=15.1

FYP

notorious
03-12-2013, 09:45 AM
FYP

ROFL


Tears.

KC_Lee
03-12-2013, 09:46 AM
Those are obviously all bad choices. Are you trying to make a point about something?

You're all over the board here. First, you seem to suggest that making comments about fat people is some how racist or bigoted and now you're dragging alcoholics and druggies into the discussion to somehow make fat people seem less lazy?

As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.

Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.

notorious
03-12-2013, 09:47 AM
As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.

Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.

There are always exceptions to the rule, but we shouldn't use those exceptions to rationalize unhealthy behavior.

chiefzilla1501
03-12-2013, 09:51 AM
It continues to amaze me that people just refuse to take care of themselves. What is it about what seems to be a growing number of people that makes them ignore the fact that they are disgusting and giving themselves ridiculous health problems? We had to start a wellness program at work to try to encourage people to take care of themselves. Why can't people see that they should already be doing that?

I think there are lazy people, then there are those who feel helpless and find themselves in a spiral. They crash diet and don't get results. The biggest controllable solution is to make it easier to make good decisions. I've talked to people who think eating a meatball sub at subway is actually a healthy alternative. Or that think drinking diet coke is responsible. And how many lives would be healthier if people knew how to cook? Or blows my mind how horrible people in my generation are about cooking. When I cook, control my ingredients. When I buy packaged food, it is almost impossible to cut through the marketing spin to know really what I'm putting into my body.

That's what bothers me the most. When somebody tries to do the right thing but isn't educated enough to make the right decision because things have gotten so complicated. Or people who run all the time but don't build muscles or control their diet.

WhiteWhale
03-12-2013, 09:55 AM
The spiraling health care costs from people eating and drinking sugar and fat like maniacs is top priority in my book. This is the wrong way to do it but controlling obesity is unbelievably important. Because we all benefit big time from a health. Are system that starts slashing costs.

I don't understand how cigarettes are worse than Soda for the individual consuming them.

Soda has been linked to cancer, diabetes, heart disease, weakens teeth and bones, and most kinds contain Caffeine which is an incredibly addictive chemical... then we let them market it to children. Why is there no warning label informing you of these dangers?

Cigarettes have warning labels and age requirements... but something that causes just as many health problems is totally legal. Both contain an extremely addictive chemical.

It's poison.

notorious
03-12-2013, 09:56 AM
I think there are lazy people, then there are those who feel helpless and find themselves in a spiral. They crash diet and don't get results. The biggest controllable solution is to make it easier to make good decisions. I've talked to people who think eating a meatball sub at subway is actually a healthy alternative. Or that think drinking diet coke is responsible. And how many lives would be healthier if people knew how to cook? Or blows my mind how horrible people in my generation are about cooking. When I cook, control my ingredients. When I buy packaged food, it is almost impossible to cut through the marketing spin to know really what I'm putting into my body.

That's what bothers me the most. When somebody tries to do the right thing but isn't educated enough to make the right decision because things have gotten so complicated. Or people who run all the time but don't build muscles or control their diet.

Education.


I don't order or buy anything unless I look at the nut. value chart. Most people don't have a clue what that chart means.

On a side note, I used to love meatball subs with cheese and jalapenos. One day I got ahold of Subway's nutritional values and about fainted. Have not had one in 9 years since.

WhiteWhale
03-12-2013, 09:58 AM
Drinking beer and alcohol is bad for your health and certainly increases health insurance rates. Maybe they should try to ban alcohol too? Oh, wait.....

Oh, I forgot that soda is regulated the same way as Alcohol.

Omaha
03-12-2013, 10:05 AM
I think there are lazy people, then there are those who feel helpless and find themselves in a spiral. They crash diet and don't get results. The biggest controllable solution is to make it easier to make good decisions. I've talked to people who think eating a meatball sub at subway is actually a healthy alternative. Or that think drinking diet coke is responsible. And how many lives would be healthier if people knew how to cook? Or blows my mind how horrible people in my generation are about cooking. When I cook, control my ingredients. When I buy packaged food, it is almost impossible to cut through the marketing spin to know really what I'm putting into my body.

That's what bothers me the most. When somebody tries to do the right thing but isn't educated enough to make the right decision because things have gotten so complicated. Or people who run all the time but don't build muscles or control their diet.

I agree with you 100%. However, I'd argue that these people are ignorant AND lazy. If something isn't working, most people would be inclined to learn why, not give up and make a bad situation worse. All of this information can easily be obtained. People just ignore it.

Omaha
03-12-2013, 10:13 AM
As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.

NO! First, these other groups are absolutely NOT viewed as "less of a person" by anyone who isn't an ignorant moron. Second, it is not the same. Not at all. Not in any way.


Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.

Calories in / Calories out. Every time. Whatever the reason, painted with any brush, it always comes down to this.

Omaha
03-12-2013, 10:15 AM
I don't understand how cigarettes are worse than Soda for the individual consuming them.

Soda has been linked to cancer, diabetes, heart disease, weakens teeth and bones, and most kinds contain Caffeine which is an incredibly addictive chemical... then we let them market it to children. Why is there no warning label informing you of these dangers?

Cigarettes have warning labels and age requirements... but something that causes just as many health problems is totally legal. Both contain an extremely addictive chemical.

It's poison.

Why can't they both be awful? I would worry less about which is worse. Just don't put either into your body.

Canofbier
03-12-2013, 10:18 AM
As someone who has struggled with his own weight and health it pisses me off when the fat = lazy BS gets spewed.

And my initial point was, and still is, that people with wieght problems are viewed as less of a person. Same way various groups (blacks, Irish, etc.) have been viewed throughout history.

Are there fat people out there that are lazy slobs that would rather eat a bag of chips vs. get up and take a walk? You bet. However, people tend to paint with a broad brush.

I'm a person with a legitimate physical propensity to gain weight (hypothyroidism), and although I empathize with you, I don't agree entirely. Once I committed myself to it, I lost over 100 lbs and have more or less kept it off. See my pictures in the "Faces and names" thread in the Media Center: I am in very good shape, and all it took was a closer look at my diet and increased physical activity, two things everyone ought to do anyway.

There are SO many people who claim to have "tried everything", but never made a true effort to change themselves for the better. The negative perception of people who are obese is driven mostly (at least in my case) by a judgement of their personality. If you're fat and happy, then good for you, but I don't want to hear you whine about it if you're not making a concerted effort to do something about it.

notorious
03-12-2013, 10:19 AM
There are SO many people who claim to have "tried everything", but never made a true effort to change themselves for the better. The negative perception of people who are obese is driven mostly (at least in my case) by a judgement of their personality. If you're fat and happy, then good for you, but I don't want to hear you whine about it if you're not making a concerted effort to do something about it.

You summed it up nicely.

KC_Lee
03-12-2013, 10:24 AM
I'm a person with a legitimate physical propensity to gain weight (hypothyroidism), and although I empathize with you, I don't agree entirely. Once I committed myself to it, I lost over 100 lbs and have more or less kept it off. See my pictures in the "Faces and names" thread in the Media Center: I am in very good shape, and all it took was a closer look at my diet and increased physical activity, two things everyone ought to do anyway.

There are SO many people who claim to have "tried everything", but never made a true effort to change themselves for the better. The negative perception of people who are obese is driven mostly (at least in my case) by a judgement of their personality. If you're fat and happy, then good for you, but I don't want to hear you whine about it if you're not making a concerted effort to do something about it.

Agree with you 100%. And don't get me wrong; I know there are a high number of folks out there that simply don't want to put out the effort to get healthy. Both my wife and I made a choice to get healthier 4 years ago. Been slow going at times and there have been set backs but we soldiered on together. Slow progress is still progress.

Likewise, I am 100% opposed to the soda ban. Too much of a slippery slope for my tastes, no pun intended.

notorious
03-12-2013, 10:31 AM
Agree with you 100%. And don't get me wrong; I know there are a high number of folks out there that simply don't want to put out the effort to get healthy. Both my wife and I made a choice to get healthier 4 years ago. Been slow going at times and there have been set backs but we soldiered on together. Slow progress is still progress.

Likewise, I am 100% opposed to the soda ban. Too much of a slippery slope for my tastes, no pun intended.

Keep up the good work. You will be amazed at how much your energy level will improve the closer you get to your ideal weight.

Omaha
03-12-2013, 01:05 PM
Agree with you 100%. And don't get me wrong; I know there are a high number of folks out there that simply don't want to put out the effort to get healthy. Both my wife and I made a choice to get healthier 4 years ago. Been slow going at times and there have been set backs but we soldiered on together. Slow progress is still progress.

Likewise, I am 100% opposed to the soda ban. Too much of a slippery slope for my tastes, no pun intended.

I agree. I hate the idea of government banning pretty much any consumer goods. If everyone would just stop buying that shit, they'd stop making it. That's how it should work. :thumb:

Congrats on your slow & steady progress getting back in shape. I understand what you are dealing with. I sit at a desk all damn day and I gain weight like nobody's business when I get lazy with exercise & diet.

ping2000
03-13-2013, 06:19 AM
Not saying soda is a health elixir, but ANY food or drink in excess is not good. My God, could these elected pricks find something more beneficial to work on? What a waste of time and resources to enforce this crap. Health savings? Bullshit. Any cost savings are offset by the government waste to enforce the regulations. I want to make my own decisions, not let retarded politicians make them for me. Politicians are at the same intellectual level as actors. One of the best feelings you have is when you can resist the temptation of a food you know is bad for you because YOU decided it was healthier not to eat/drink it. I want to have the freedom to make that choice and feel good about myself, not live in some Gulag/1984 society where some asshat limits my choices. How can you be happy when choices are made for you? Do you sheep love being controlled so much? People used to abhor "the man" interfering in their lives. Now they welcome it.

chiefzilla1501
03-13-2013, 06:49 AM
Not saying soda is a health elixir, but ANY food or drink in excess is not good. My God, could these elected pricks find something more beneficial to work on? What a waste of time and resources to enforce this crap. Health savings? Bullshit. Any cost savings are offset by the government waste to enforce the regulations. I want to make my own decisions, not let retarded politicians make them for me. Politicians are at the same intellectual level as actors. One of the best feelings you have is when you can resist the temptation of a food you know is bad for you because YOU decided it was healthier not to eat/drink it. I want to have the freedom to make that choice and feel good about myself, not live in some Gulag/1984 society where some asshat limits my choices. How can you be happy when choices are made for you? Do you sheep love being controlled so much? People used to abhor "the man" interfering in their lives. Now they welcome it.

You do realize that diabetes is quickly becoming an epidemic, right? And that obesity now costs America about 190 billion in health care costs. And that healthy people are picking up the tab for unhealthy people in the form of higher premiums and reduced access to quick medical care?

ping2000
03-13-2013, 06:56 AM
You do realize that diabetes is quickly becoming an epidemic, right? And that obesity now costs America about 190 billion in health care costs. And that healthy people are picking up the tab for unhealthy people in the form of higher premiums and reduced access to quick medical care?

Yes I do. Does that mean the government needs to limit soft drink size? I'm all for spending money to educate, although these are the same people who pushed margarine over butter. Again, not saying soda is good for you, but this is slippery slope. Why is everyone so keen on giving your decision making over to the government? Be a man, be an individual. Make your own decisions. You self righteous people cannot save everyone, and what gave you the right to make decisions for everyone else?

Omaha
03-13-2013, 08:31 AM
Yes I do. Does that mean the government needs to limit soft drink size? I'm all for spending money to educate, although these are the same people who pushed margarine over butter. Again, not saying soda is good for you, but this is slippery slope. Why is everyone so keen on giving your decision making over to the government? Be a man, be an individual. Make your own decisions. You self righteous people cannot save everyone, and what gave you the right to make decisions for everyone else?

I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

ping2000
03-13-2013, 08:41 AM
I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

Short term pleasure overrides rational thought about long term helath benefits. Until the pain of being obese becomes severe enough, it is not enough to get them to stop the bad behavior. Point is, this should be an individual choice, not the government. And all of the BS about health costs, don't be so easily swayed by government statistics. They have an agenda too. These are the same people that told us the world would end by cutting 2.5% from the budget.

Fish
03-13-2013, 08:50 AM
Short term pleasure overrides rational thought about long term helath benefits. Until the pain of being obese becomes severe enough, it is not enough to get them to stop the bad behavior. Point is, this should be an individual choice, not the government. And all of the BS about health costs, don't be so easily swayed by government statistics. They have an agenda too. These are the same people that told us the world would end by cutting 2.5% from the budget.

What BS about health costs? You don't think health costs are actually rising and have been drastically doing so for some time?

It's not government statistics. The government isn't the sole source of statistics and information about rising health costs. That can be found from any independent source. And it's an overwhelmingly agreed fact that healthcare costs are drastically rising and will continue to do so until serious changes are made.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-13-2013, 08:53 AM
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Mr. Flopnuts
03-13-2013, 08:54 AM
I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?

Mental health, and self worth.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 09:05 AM
Mental health, and self worth.

Are you suggesting that the majority of the people I see around my office have mental heath/self worth issues?

Mr. Flopnuts
03-13-2013, 09:07 AM
Are you suggesting that the majority of the people I see around my office have mental heath/self worth issues?

There's also a great deal of ignorance, genetics, and other things that play into it as well. Now, I'm not saying that's everything. I don't want you to think for 1 second I'm downplaying laziness, apathy, and a major lack of self discipline. Those things are the ones we always beat on. I'm talking about the secondary issues.

ping2000
03-13-2013, 09:23 AM
What BS about health costs? You don't think health costs are actually rising and have been drastically doing so for some time?

It's not government statistics. The government isn't the sole source of statistics and information about rising health costs. That can be found from any independent source. And it's an overwhelmingly agreed fact that healthcare costs are drastically rising and will continue to do so until serious changes are made.

I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these fuckers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 09:32 AM
There's also a great deal of ignorance, genetics, and other things that play into it as well. Now, I'm not saying that's everything. I don't want you to think for 1 second I'm downplaying laziness, apathy, and a major lack of self discipline. Those things are the ones we always beat on. I'm talking about the secondary issues.

The "secondary issues" can usually be easily overcome. So can the rest of it. It simply defies logic.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 09:37 AM
I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these ****ers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

I don't believe that there is any reason to doubt any of this. I'd almost rather argue that we'll find that obesity causes MORE problems than reported. Does that mean the government needs to start making smart decisions for us? No! The answer to that is NO!

chiefzilla1501
03-13-2013, 09:44 AM
I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these ****ers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

Scaremongering? It's not rocket science. Obesity is one of the leading causes of heart disease and type 2 diabetes. That's a fact. Both absorb an exorbitant amount if health care costs, and that's only scratching the surface.

chiefzilla1501
03-13-2013, 09:46 AM
I don't believe that there is any reason to doubt any of this. I'd almost rather argue that we'll find that obesity causes MORE problems than reported. Does that mean the government needs to start making smart decisions for us? No! The answer to that is NO!

I believe there are a ton of studies that show that productivity in schools and work improves dramatically as health habits improve. That's common sense to anyone who has tried to eat better and feels more energetic.

chiefzilla1501
03-13-2013, 09:49 AM
Yes I do. Does that mean the government needs to limit soft drink size? I'm all for spending money to educate, although these are the same people who pushed margarine over butter. Again, not saying soda is good for you, but this is slippery slope. Why is everyone so keen on giving your decision making over to the government? Be a man, be an individual. Make your own decisions. You self righteous people cannot save everyone, and what gave you the right to make decisions for everyone else?

I don't support the soda ban.

Xanathol
03-13-2013, 09:59 AM
I think we should start taxing the crap out of manginas. If you are a male between 21 and 65 and cannot at the very least 3 rep 405 on bench and 585 on squats, then you get an extremely high ass daily tax until you can. Those are rather low standards and after all, its for your health and the good of those around you that you are not a complete pussy. Fairies & tinkerbells are costing us too much in health care cost every time they chip a nail and have to go to the doc to get fixed.

Predarat
03-13-2013, 10:27 AM
gubbment needs to ban those king sized candy bars, the normal size will do.

Bacon Cheeseburger
03-13-2013, 10:28 AM
I agree. I don't want the government making decisions for people.

Why are there so many ridiculously fat people walking around eating shit, drinking soda, smoking cigarettes, etc? What is going on that makes so many people completely neglect themselves?
That's a very good question. It's simply unacceptable and these people need understand their unhealthy lifestyle affects others as well and they need to make serious changes in their lives.

(lights up cigarette)

Fried Meat Ball!
03-13-2013, 10:36 AM
I recall an article in the last couple years that says obesity (and related health problems) costs less long term. They die faster. Healthy people live longer and are more apt to suffer more expensive health issues in their later stages (cancers, Alzheimer's, etc.).

Fish
03-13-2013, 10:41 AM
I'm not saying health costs aren't going up, just to be careful how stats and data are used. How much of costs are attributable to obesity? I don't trust this scaremongering group of idiots to analyze the data. What price freedom? What control are you willing to give up and at what price? I don't want these fuckers telling me what to do. You shouldn't either.

The stats and data on obesity and its contribution to rising health care costs are completely undeniable. I'm not sure what scaremongering group you're talking about. But the stats and data are conclusive from countless independent sources.

I'm all about freedom. But the fact is that health care costs aren't based on independent freedom. When some lazy slob piece of shit neglects their health and it results in unnecessary care because of that person's poor health, it raises costs for everyone. If it only raised costs for that one lazy slob piece of shit, it would be fine and nobody would care if that person ate themselves to death. But when the price of their "Freedom" ends up on everyone else's health care bill, it's not about "Freedom" anymore. It's about shared cost of care.

mr. tegu
03-13-2013, 10:50 AM
The "secondary issues" can usually be easily overcome. So can the rest of it. It simply defies logic.

You clearly have little to no understanding of psychology or human behavior. They can be overcome, but to suggest is usually easy or defies logic is simply ignorant.

Just Passin' By
03-13-2013, 11:28 AM
This thread went from a legitimate discussion to a bunch of idiots ranting about weight and using rising health care costs as the excuse, despite the fact that health care costs rise independently of citizen obesity.

Dumbasses.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 01:05 PM
That's a very good question. It's simply unacceptable and these people need understand their unhealthy lifestyle affects others as well and they need to make serious changes in their lives.

(lights up cigarette)

Haha. I'm not suggesting that we should have a bunch of healthy little clones. We all have bad habits. You exercise and keep yourself in pretty good shape in spite some bad habits. The same is true for me and many others. I'm talking about the extremely unhealthy people who seemingly don't care about what is happening to them.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 01:09 PM
I believe there are a ton of studies that show that productivity in schools and work improves dramatically as health habits improve. That's common sense to anyone who has tried to eat better and feels more energetic.

Absolutely. We encourage people to take a longer than normal lunch if necessary and hit the gym. Productivity is noticeably better.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 01:29 PM
You clearly have little to no understanding of psychology or human behavior. They can be overcome, but to suggest is usually easy or defies logic is simply ignorant.

WTF are you talking about?

I said it defies logic for someone to knowingly slowly kill him/herself by shoveling garbage into his/her fat, POS face and that makes me ignorant? WTF is ignorant about that? There is nothing logical about it.

I said ignorance about how to lose weight and a genetic predisposition to gain weight (the two "secondary issues" that were listed in the post to which I replied) are usually easily overcome and that makes me ignorant? I can't throw a double Big Mac without it landing on some magazine article about how to lose weight. BTW, there are about a million TV shows dedicated to education on this very topic and we all know how fatties love their TV, right?

ThaVirus
03-13-2013, 02:12 PM
I will be honest, the first thought that enters my mind when I see an extremely fat person is "lazy".

That's not the first thing that comes to my mind, but its definitely on the radar.

I get a lot of shit in the Pictures forum for my desire to fuck "thick" girls, but even so, I'd never date one. To me, being overweight is a sign of laziness as well as poor decision-making and a supreme lack of discipline. Not good personal qualities in my opinion.

But to be clear, I don't "think less of fat people" and I do my best not to judge them. That is just the thought that comes to my head when prodded on the subject.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 02:16 PM
That's not the first thing that comes to my mind, but its definitely on the radar.



We know. You get a boner first. :thumb:

ThaVirus
03-13-2013, 02:41 PM
We know. You get a boner first. :thumb:

LMAO Go fuck yourself.

Fried Meat Ball!
03-13-2013, 02:48 PM
I said it defies logic for someone to knowingly slowly kill him/herself by shoveling garbage into his/her fat, POS face and that makes me ignorant? WTF is ignorant about that? There is nothing logical about it.

I'm on the fence... I can't decide if I'd rather be fat or a judgmental prick.

mr. tegu
03-13-2013, 02:53 PM
WTF are you talking about?

I said it defies logic for someone to knowingly slowly kill him/herself by shoveling garbage into his/her fat, POS face and that makes me ignorant? WTF is ignorant about that? There is nothing logical about it.

I said ignorance about how to lose weight and a genetic predisposition to gain weight (the two "secondary issues" that were listed in the post to which I replied) are usually easily overcome and that makes me ignorant? I can't throw a double Big Mac without it landing on some magazine article about how to lose weight. BTW, there are about a million TV shows dedicated to education on this very topic and we all know how fatties love their TV, right?

Um, no. Your entire post is rendered pointless because of this:

The "secondary issues" can usually be easily overcome. So can the rest of it. It simply defies logic.

You are ignorant because you are overly judgmental and haven't the slightest idea of the many different factors and interactions that play a part in a person's bad habits involving food. There are plenty of people that are just lazy or don't make the effort. But there are also plenty of people for which it is simply much more difficult and furthermore there are plenty of people who have deeper issues beyond the weight that is actually the underlying problem. For these people, weight is not their biggest problem or top priority. It is simply a negative affect of the other things they are dealing with.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 03:06 PM
Um, no. Your entire post is rendered pointless because of this:



You are ignorant because you are overly judgmental and haven't the slightest idea of the many different factors and interactions that play a part in a person's bad habits involving food. There are plenty of people that are just lazy or don't make the effort. But there are also plenty of people for which it is simply much more difficult and furthermore there are plenty of people who have deeper issues beyond the weight that is actually the underlying problem. For these people, weight is not their biggest problem or top priority. It is simply a negative affect of the other things they are dealing with.


Go ahead and explain how it's perfectly logical for a morbidly obese person to continue eating garbage that they know is making them fatter and fatter. I'm still waiting.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 03:07 PM
I'm on the fence... I can't decide if I'd rather be fat or a judgmental prick.

I was being colorful and hilarious with that. Thanks for noticing. o:-)

Omaha
03-13-2013, 03:12 PM
Um, no. Your entire post is rendered pointless because of this:



What? That renders my entire post pointless? That's the most common sense part of it. "The rest of it" from that post was "laziness, apathy, and lack of self-discipline." Those things aren't easy to overcome? Don't most people overcome those things every day?

mr. tegu
03-13-2013, 03:39 PM
Go ahead and explain how it's perfectly logical for a morbidly obese person to continue eating garbage that they know is making them fatter and fatter. I'm still waiting.

Depression, low self-esteem, loneliness, feelings of worthlessness, insomnia, stress, low income, anxiety, etc. All things that are part of deeper problems that people face. Weight gain and poor health are symptoms of larger issues for many people. If you can't understand that then you are just being ignorant.

Omaha
03-13-2013, 04:30 PM
That's a weak load of shit. Killing yourself with food because you're depressed still isn't logical.

KCWolfman
03-13-2013, 04:36 PM
When you finish regulating drugs and alcohol with a positive outcome that doesn't cost the non-users a fortune, talk to me about regulating my food...

Dumb assed government.