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Direckshun
03-11-2013, 09:24 PM
So if the Chiefs pull off the following moves:

1. lock up a starting DE like Dorsey/DeVito/Jason Jones

2. re-sign Branden Albert

3. ink a starting corner like DRC

Then that means we'll have a hole at pretty much two positions:

backup, developmental QB behind Alex Smith

and

right tackle

(and sam-backer, I guess, but Reid's not going to draft an ILB #1 overall)

The decision boils down to the safest possible pick in Luke Joeckel and the big-ballsy risk of Geno Smith.

I absolutely cannot accept the idea that Geno Smith is out of consideration.

We've got two potential right tackles on our roster now.

This team is mostly built. There are no huge, glaring deficiencies other than Alex Smith.

The secondary will have seven players with significant starting experience (Berry, Robinson, Abdullah, Lewis, Flowers, DRC, Arenas).

The WR corps could be beefed up, but features two receivers Andy Reid loves in Bowe and McCluster.

A tough defensive line. A good pair of bookend passrushers.

The Chiefs have a very experienced starting QB for Geno to sit behind.

And that starting QB was himself a 1st overall pick, and could mentor Geno through the worst aspects of it.

Geno's skillset beautifully matches a west coast offense.

It just makes too much sense to say no to. Too much sense.

Here's what I'll say:

If my plan was to bring in Geno Smith with the #1 pick, knowing what I know about him, then this is how I prep my team for his arrival.

I sit him for the year, let Alex fight for his reputation, and keep Geno comfortable with the clipboard for as long as Alex isn't shitting his pants.

This is what you'd do, right? The Chiefs haven't made any buzz with backup QBs. They've not commented on Stanzi. They haven't talked to anybody other than the QBs in this draft.

They don't want to burn the 1st overall on a right tackle. Surely not.

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 09:31 PM
There's absolutely no argument that anybody can make that will lead me to believe that a QB is even in consideration at #1 after the Alex Smith trade. I think people want it to happen so badly (and believe me, I do too) that they're throwing every iota of logic and reality and decades of Chiefs franchise and Hunt family history out the window. It's just desperation.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:32 PM
the problem with the logic and its well thought out. But, Andy Reid could of gotten a cheaper back up to play place holder if that what he was after. And, Andy Reid doesnt favor left over right.

Id be more concerned if i were chiefs fans if they do what he thinks and that is take star.

as for backers go, you have derrick johnson, there will be free agent backers that you can get. Larry Grant from san francisco is a free agent, dan connor just got cut from the cowboys.

you are set at olb with tamba and houston. just need that second corner.

Probably need a second running back, i doubt they are bringing back peyton hillis.

I still think their preference is to trade down, but if they cant, they are going to take joeckel. I know people think that is stupid, but the eagles, and packers both believe that you build through the lines. Look at how many picks the packers have used on the line. the eagles are the same way, except they usually prefer the defensive line.

Simply Red
03-11-2013, 09:32 PM
Late Night Bullshit threads are fun, they're like ghost stories.

tk13
03-11-2013, 09:33 PM
Old spice.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 09:35 PM
I can't wait until after the draft when the mediocre Geno Smith begins to slowly fade away.

Fat Elvis
03-11-2013, 09:37 PM
There's absolutely no argument that anybody can make that will lead me to believe that a QB is even in consideration at #1 after the Alex Smith trade. I think people want it to happen so badly (and believe me, I do too) that they're throwing every iota of logic and reality and decades of Chiefs franchise and Hunt family history out the window. It's just desperation.

After ASmith, you have Dick Stanzi. We have RTs on the roster. Unless the Chiefs get another backup QB (or two), we are going with Geno.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:37 PM
I can't wait until after the draft when the mediocre Geno Smith begins to slowly fade away.

I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

Jerm
03-11-2013, 09:37 PM
There's no doubt in my mind they're trading back...which is just as intriguing to me.

If they trade back to the 4-10 range there's no clue who they'll take.

It won't happen and OLB is far from a need but I'm on the Dion Jordan bandwagon now...just think that guy is gonna be a freakish playmaking machine.

I've given up hope of Geno sadly and accepted it.

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 09:38 PM
Late Night Bullshit threads are fun, they're like ghost stories.

http://www.filmfodder.com/tv/lost/archives/jin_ghost_story.jpg

And when you listen quietly at night

sometimes you hear the wind cry...

geeeeeeeeenoooooooooooooooooooooo

GEEEEEEEEEEEEENOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 09:39 PM
After ASmith, you have Dick Stanzi. We have RTs on the roster. Unless the Chiefs get another backup QB (or two), we are going with Geno.

So your logic here is that we don't have a backup so we're going to take the first pick in the draft and use it on a backup.

It will either be o line or d line.

Guaranteed.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 09:40 PM
I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

If you don't feed someone for 20 years, even a shit sandwich begins to look good.

SNR
03-11-2013, 09:41 PM
So your logic here is that we don't have a backup so we're going to take the first pick in the draft and use it on a backup.

It will either be o line or d line.

Guaranteed.

Stanzi is a backup. We're not using the #1 pick on a backup. Geno is not a backup.

Geno is a future starting QB.

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 09:42 PM
So your logic here is that we don't have a backup so we're going to take the first pick in the draft and use it on a backup.

Why have the Chiefs made zero buzz at the QB position other than the Alex Smith splash?

Is there a single rookie QB that's worth his weight as a backup QB that you see being available at 3a?

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-11-2013, 09:42 PM
Who is trading up with us? No one has offered convincing evidence for why/how this will happen.

SNR
03-11-2013, 09:42 PM
I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

Go fuck your mother. And RG3.

Geno never is or was RG3. I hope RG3 kills himself so people can stop saying "Is Geno another RG3?" By virtue of simply being alive, no, Geno is not RG3.

Count Zarth
03-11-2013, 09:44 PM
The DL is ass right now so let's not call it "tough."

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 09:46 PM
After ASmith, you have Dick Stanzi. We have RTs on the roster. Unless the Chiefs get another backup QB (or two), we are going with Geno.I never said they were taking a tackle. Although I think they may if they can't trade back. But that's really a mutually-exclusive idea to me, with regards to QB. It doesn't have any bearing on what I believe as far as Geno goes.

I just believe there's 0% chance they're taking a QB with 1:1. They aren't trading 2nds for Alex Smith if they haven't already penciled him in as the starter. And they aren't drafting a project QB at 1. Now, I personally don't think Geno is a project, but when you have a starter in place (and they do now), then he's going to be one by default. And I think they're going to want immediate return on a number 1 pick. I don't believe they're going to spend a pick that high on a guy with the express intention of putting him on the bench and waiting years to see what they have.

My thinking would be different if they hadn't given up so much for Alex Smith. They bring him in as a free agent, and we're having a different discussion. But they didn't do that. They're not spending what they did if they expect him to be a placeholder for a year.

mcaj22
03-11-2013, 09:46 PM
"this team is mostly built"


hahahahahah yea right, funny joke

KILLER_CLOWN
03-11-2013, 09:47 PM
I can't wait until after the draft when the mediocre Geno Smith begins to slowly fade away.

I can wait for that stupiduality, I really can.

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 09:49 PM
I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

The infatuation is that the guy can put a ball downfield 45 yards right into a receivers hands that is going full out with two defenders hanging on him.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1460531/genohof.gif

And he does it every goddamn game. He makes those types of throws that 99% of college QB's make once or twice in their careers, and he does it routinely.

He keeps his head downfield, eyes up, and has great pocket awareness.

He's got an exceptionally quick release that's near textbook, has an arm that can make all the throws.

He's a film junkie. He just wants to play football.

He's got all the tools that you want from a high level NFL prospect plus the work ethic and drive.

He's experienced with three years of starting at the D1 level and was a former Parade All-American as a prep at the QB position.

If you don't see it, then you are a fucking idiot who should be looking at cereal boxes instead of football games.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 09:49 PM
Stanzi is a backup. We're not using the #1 pick on a backup. Geno is not a backup.

Geno is a future starting QB.

Geno is a future starting QB in the same way that tofu is a meal to ethiopians.

If it's all that you got, it's all you got.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:49 PM
Who is trading up with us? No one has offered convincing evidence for why/how this will happen.

just wait till after the pro days.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:52 PM
Go **** your mother. And RG3.

Geno never is or was RG3. I hope RG3 kills himself so people can stop saying "Is Geno another RG3?" By virtue of simply being alive, no, Geno is not RG3.

well, i know hes not RG3. Hes more Dennis Dixon to me. Im not on the kool aid. I guess though, if i hated alex smith as much as some do, i would pray for anyone but alex smith.

Geno, is not worth the first pick in the draft. No one thinks so. No one has even mentioned it.

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 09:52 PM
Why have the Chiefs made zero buzz at the QB position other than the Alex Smith splash?

Is there a single rookie QB that's worth his weight as a backup QB that you see being available at 3a?

I want you to evaluate your question objectively.

Why haven't the Chiefs made zero buzz (besides trading away the 1st pick in the 2nd round and future considerations) at the qb position?

Who's to say Stanzi isn't the backup and a scrubs 3, maybe Reid like the fact that Tanney can hit a moving truck blindfolded and drunk from 39 yards out?

crossbow
03-11-2013, 09:52 PM
Why would the Chiefs draft any QB when they can go after and over pay for one of Frisco's every couple of years? They aren't going to draft a QB this year or any damn year because that is how these jackasses roll.

Canofbier
03-11-2013, 09:53 PM
I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

He has the physical potential, attitude and work ethic to be an Aaron Rogers, which is more than you could say about any QB in recent Chiefs history. The only people who compare Geno to RGIII as an overall player are either lazy or are just stereotyping. He is a pass-first QB with good arm strength and accuracy who happens to also be a very strong athlete.

Geno "isn't an Andrew Luck", as so many people like to point out, but he is certainly in the same class as other QBs that have gone high in the first round in recent history. Alex Smith is NOT a franchise-caliber QB. Chiefs fans are tired of retreads and they're tired of settling.

We have the first overall pick for the first time ever, and for once we want to see our team roll the dice on a QB that has the potential to not only be one of the best in the game, but possibly lead us to a Super Bowl. You don't have to agree with drafting Geno at 1.1, but to not understand that sentiment means that you haven't loved the Chiefs for long, if ever.

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 09:53 PM
Geno, is not worth the first pick in the draft. No one thinks so. No one has even mentioned it.Except for all those people that do and have.

SNR
03-11-2013, 09:54 PM
Geno is a future starting QB in the same way that tofu is a meal to ethiopians.

If it's all that you got, it's all you got.

Here's why these arguments don't work with you.

I can pull up gifs, videos, and scouting reports. I can use logic. I can use stats. I have used ALL of these methods to argue for Geno.

And at the end of my lengthy and numerous posts on the subject, you'll do what you just did, ("I think Geno sucks") and you won the argument.

You're underselling Geno Smith by a lot. A fucking LOT. And never once have you acknowledged that.

Simply Red
03-11-2013, 09:54 PM
well, i know hes not RG3.




http://i.imgur.com/iLyWpPe.jpg (http://imgur.com/iLyWpPe)

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 09:54 PM
Why have the Chiefs made zero buzz at the QB position other than the Alex Smith splash?The answer to that one is pretty easy: it's not march 12th for another hour.

Pestilence
03-11-2013, 09:54 PM
well, i know hes not RG3. Hes more Dennis Dixon to me. Im not on the kool aid. I guess though, if i hated alex smith as much as some do, i would pray for anyone but alex smith.

Geno, is not worth the first pick in the draft. No one thinks so. No one has even mentioned it.

Explain to me how he's Dennis Dixon without using the word black.

Go....

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:55 PM
Why would the Chiefs draft any QB when they can go after and over pay for one of Frisco's every couple of years? They aren't going to draft a QB this year or any damn year because that is how these jackasses roll.

If they do not take one this year, there is no doubt in my mind they grab one next year. Next years class has the potential to be really good.

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 09:55 PM
Yeah the Dennis Dixon comparison is hilarious.

He's Donovan McNabb.

SNR
03-11-2013, 09:55 PM
well, i know hes not RG3. Hes more Dennis Dixon or Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell or Jason Campbell or Aaron Brooks or Rodney Peete or Akili Smith to me. Im not on the kool aid. I guess though, if i hated alex smith as much as some do, i would pray for anyone but alex smith.

Geno, is not worth the first pick in the draft. No one thinks so. No one has even mentioned it.
FYP

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 09:56 PM
If they do not take one this year, there is no doubt in my mind they grab one next year. Next years class has the potential to be really good.That's the siren's song that's sung every single april: next year's class will be better!

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:56 PM
Explain to me how he's Dennis Dixon without using the word black.

Go....

More impressive in college than he will ever be at the pro level?

Would you have preferred that i call him what i recently heard someone say he was?

A lot like alex smith? Yes, I actually read that. It was hilarious. Alex Smith was never the passer Geno is.

SNR
03-11-2013, 09:57 PM
If they do not take one this year, there is no doubt in my mind they grab one next year. Next years class has the potential to be really good.

Sincerely,

2006-2011

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:57 PM
FYP

Aaron Brooks is not a bad comparison. FOrgot about him.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-11-2013, 09:57 PM
just wait till after the pro days.

Pro days will bring some clarity. I see Reid trying to move back and snag Barkley if he throws well. I can live with Barkley.
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PRIMETIME211
03-11-2013, 09:57 PM
Go **** your mother. And RG3.

Geno never is or was RG3. I hope RG3 kills himself so people can stop saying "Is Geno another RG3?" By virtue of simply being alive, no, Geno is not RG3.

chiefs dont want him, move on geez, don't worry this guy is not a top 10 pick worthy anyways and will have a career similar to vince young at best.

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 09:57 PM
Next years class has the potential to be really good.

AUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG

@#$&@# @@*#$@ B!(@*!(!!((#

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF WAITING FOR """""NEXT YEAR'S CLASS"""""

WE HAVE BEEN WAITING

AND ****ING WAITING

FOR """""NEXT YEARS'S CLASS"""""


THIS YEAR IS NEXT YEAR'S CLASS

*falls out of chair*

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 09:58 PM
If they really want to compare him to a black QB, he's got a lot of the same tools and traits that Warren Moon had. That's where I'd throw him - Warren Moon/Aaron Rogers level at the same stage.

I'll take that.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:58 PM
That's the siren's song that's sung every single april: next year's class will be better!

I understand that. But, in this case, its true.

Logan Thomas,
Aaron Murray,
Johnny Manziel- hes gonna be a terrible pro
Tahj Boyd,
Bren Renner.
Hogan.

Gonna be a nice class.

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 09:58 PM
I think shun just had an aneurysm.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 09:59 PM
Pro days will bring some clarity. I see Reid trying to move back and snag Barkley if he throws well. I can live with Barkley.
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I can see that. I actually, as much as i dislike trojan qbs, when i think back i can see that.

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 09:59 PM
AUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG

@#$&@# @@*#$@ B!(@*!(!!((#

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF WAITING FOR """""NEXT YEAR'S CLASS"""""

WE HAVE BEEN WAITING

AND ****ING WAITING

FOR """""NEXT YEARS'S CLASS"""""


THIS YEAR IS NEXT YEAR'S CLASS

*falls out of chair*

Chuckie Keeton in 2014!

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 09:59 PM
I think shun just had an aneurysm.

NEXT

YEAR'S

CLASS

Count Zarth
03-11-2013, 10:00 PM
Logan Thomas and Aaron Murray are basically comparable to EJ Manuel and Tyler Wilson.

Next year's class is horrible.

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 10:01 PM
I understand that. But, in this case, its true.

Logan Thomas,
Aaron Murray,
Johnny Manziel- hes gonna be a terrible pro
Tahj Boyd,
Bren Renner.
Hogan.

Gonna be a nice class.Go back 12 months and I guarantee you'll find a hundred identical comments about this year's QB class. I remember talk on draft day 2012 where people expected this year's class to go 5 or 6 deep in the first round.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:01 PM
Direckshun- I get it dude. I do.

Pestilence
03-11-2013, 10:02 PM
I understand that. But, in this case, its true.

Logan Thomas,
Aaron Murray,
Johnny Manziel- hes gonna be a terrible pro
Tahj Boyd,
Bren Renner.
Hogan.

Gonna be a nice class.

That's supposed to be a good class?

Manziel sucks.
Thomas is raw as fuck and not accurate at all.
Murray and Boyd? Really?

I'd take Geno Smith and Matt Barkley over Murray and Boyd.

Count Zarth
03-11-2013, 10:02 PM
Shit man, Aaron Murray and Johnny Manziel are both 6 feet tall.

They're probably gonna be 3rd rounders.

Dave Lane
03-11-2013, 10:02 PM
I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

I want in on the bet $1000 ok to start with?

noa
03-11-2013, 10:02 PM
The OP is filled with optimism and hope, but the reality is we were a 2-14 team last year, the defensive line isn't very good, our cb#2 is either not on the roster yet or is pure shit, we need another safety, we have no RT, and we just sent at least one high pick for a mediocre QB. Plus we cut Winston rather than trying to trade him. We look like a middling team that made a couple of bad decisions already and is poised to make another one in the draft, but god dammit if we aren't the biggest saps clinging to the Bowe/Albert moves to give us just enough to keep our hopes on life support.
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Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:03 PM
Go back 12 months and I guarantee you'll find a hundred identical comments about this year's QB class. I remember talk on draft day 2012 where people expected this year's class to go 5 or 6 deep in the first round.

oh, there is no doubt about that. I think i said that it looks like it could be. Absolutely correct. I too thought that when Barkley went back, that he was a sure fire no doubt number one overrall pick. Then I actually watched some games, specifically the Stanford, and the Arizona games, and i was like wow, this dude is garbage. And those were after FLATBALLGATE....

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 10:03 PM
Direckshun- I get it dude. I do.

NEXT

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YEAR'S

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CLASS

Canofbier
03-11-2013, 10:04 PM
I understand that. But, in this case, its true.

Logan Thomas,
Aaron Murray,
Johnny Manziel- hes gonna be a terrible pro
Tahj Boyd,
Bren Renner.
Hogan.

Gonna be a nice class.

No mention of Teddy Bridgewater whatsoever? You're not doing much to improve your credibility in evaluating quarterbacks.

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 10:04 PM
NEXT

YEAR'S

CLASS

2014.

We'll draft Clowney next season after Alex Smith gets a concussion in the preseason and Cassel is back at starter for 2013.

Here's what we get in 2014:

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keg in kc
03-11-2013, 10:05 PM
I don't think I could root for a QB named "chuckie".

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:05 PM
That's supposed to be a good class?

Manziel sucks.
Thomas is raw as **** and not accurate at all.
Murray and Boyd? Really?

I'd take Geno Smith and Matt Barkley over Murray and Boyd.

Remember, the NFL goes in cycles.

Thats why Boyd, and Logan Thomas are on that list.

YOu gonna tell me there isnt some coach out there that with THOMAS especially wont say, i can make him the next kaepernick?

And Boyd. He cant be the next russell wilson?

I dont say id agree with it. I like the hogan kid from stanford, and i think aaron murray is really underrated.

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 10:07 PM
2014.

We'll draft Clowney next season

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SNR
03-11-2013, 10:07 PM
Don't make me repeatedly rubber stamp this post on every fucking thread like a 49er fan trying to tell us about Alex Smith.

Let's say there are some deficiencies to Geno's game that are currently preventing him from being an elite QB, much the way Colin Kaepernick had problems. I don't think there are nearly as many problems with Geno that some people think there are, but that's beside the point.

Does he have accuracy issues? No.
Does he have pocket awareness issues? No.
Does he have confidence issues? No.

Bam. That instantly spells out the foundation to a great starting QB in the NFL. Now imagine you can take that guy, sit him on the bench for 1 or 2 years, and let him ease into the NFL transition behind a stopgap veteran who's done this before, a pretty damn good supporting cast, and a well-known QB-friendly coaching staff.

IS THAT NOT THE BEST FUCKING SITUATION THIS GUY COULD BE IN?

If you could draft a QB at 1.1 knowing that if you sat him for at least 24 games that he would turn into a top 10 QB in the NFL, would you take that over the doughy non-elite OT?

Of course you would. Who the fuck wouldn't?

Geno + time on the bench = damn near fucking close to a sure thing at the QB position that you can get, in my opinion. REGARDLESS of how much you spent on Alex Smith, you would have to be fucking nuts to not see the potential in that investment

ESPECIALLY IN A DRAFT YEAR WHERE THE NON-QBS ALL SUCK BLACKBOB'S UNCLE'S DICK.

Use your fucking heads for once you morons. Geno is potentially our ticket out of this hellhole of a nearly 20-year purgatory. As in... playoffs once every few years? How about playoffs EVERY GODDAMN YEAR? With wins as the EXPECTATION, not the cherry on top? How about challenging for the SUPER BOWL every so often?

Fuck my fucking jeans.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:08 PM
No mention of Teddy Bridgewater whatsoever? You're not doing much to improve your credibility in evaluating quarterbacks.

just a quick list off the top of my head. but yeah, he got omitted. thanks for the help. I have no cred in evaluating qbs. I thought aaron rodgers was going to be terrible, i thought the 49ers made the right choice with alex, wrong choice with kaep over mallett.

The only thing i have been right on, was that people made a mistake on not drafting russell wilson because of height. Im not an expert. Im just not impressed with this class. Hell, i happen to think that Mike Glennon is going to end up the best out of this class.

I really have no evaluation skills what so ever with qbs.....

Cannibal
03-11-2013, 10:09 PM
I'll be glad when this draft is in the books so this Geno bullshit will cease. It's not going to fucking happen. Perhaps it should, but it's not, time to get over it.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:09 PM
SNR. nice rant.

keg in kc
03-11-2013, 10:10 PM
Mike Glennon? lol

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 10:11 PM
just a quick list off the top of my head. but yeah, he got omitted. thanks for the help. I have no cred in evaluating qbs. I thought aaron rodgers was going to be terrible, i thought the 49ers made the right choice with alex, wrong choice with kaep over mallett.

The only thing i have been right on, was that people made a mistake on not drafting russell wilson because of height. Im not an expert. Im just not impressed with this class. Hell, i happen to think that Mike Glennon is going to end up the best out of this class.

I really have no evaluation skills what so ever with qbs.....

Then shut the fuck up.

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 10:11 PM
Next year's class.

...

I just,

#

Pestilence
03-11-2013, 10:11 PM
Best case scenario.

We draft Geno at 1.1.
Reid names Alex Smith his starting QB for 2013.
Barring a complete team meltdown or injury.....Alex Smith starts all 16 games in 2013.
2014....Alex Smith and Geno Smith battle for the starting QB job in TC.
Alex Smith gets a year as our backup QB and then gets to find a starting job at the age of 31.

SNR
03-11-2013, 10:12 PM
I really have no evaluation skills what so ever with qbs.....

IT SHOWS

(God damn dude that was too fucking easy. I almost feel bad taking candy from that retarded baby with no arms)

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:13 PM
Then shut the **** up.

Why? My opinion on Geno Smith is much closer to people who know way more about football than you or I. SO maybe it is you who should stfu. At least i have the balls enough to say that I really dont know.

But, you can talk all your shit now. When he isnt drafted where you want him, and you start to understand that the experts were right, and you were wrong, then ill remind you of this convo.

nlm

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:14 PM
IT SHOWS

(God damn dude that was too ****ing easy. I almost feel bad taking candy from that retarded baby with no arms)

Yes, it sure does. As does yours. As in, you have no more than I do. You hate alex smith, i hate geno smith. we both dont know shit. so, have a coke and a smile.

nlm

Consistent1
03-11-2013, 10:15 PM
He has the physical potential, attitude and work ethic to be an Aaron Rogers, which is more than you could say about any QB in recent Chiefs history. The only people who compare Geno to RGIII as an overall player are either lazy or are just stereotyping. He is a pass-first QB with good arm strength and accuracy who happens to also be a very strong athlete.

Geno "isn't an Andrew Luck", as so many people like to point out, but he is certainly in the same class as other QBs that have gone high in the first round in recent history. Alex Smith is NOT a franchise-caliber QB. Chiefs fans are tired of retreads and they're tired of settling.

We have the first overall pick for the first time ever, and for once we want to see our team roll the dice on a QB that has the potential to not only be one of the best in the game, but possibly lead us to a Super Bowl. You don't have to agree with drafting Geno at 1.1, but to not understand that sentiment means that you haven't loved the Chiefs for long, if ever.


Let me get this straight. Geno is as good as Aaron Rodgers, who happens to be worse than Luck?

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 10:16 PM
Yes, it sure does. As does yours. As in, you have no more than I do. You hate alex smith, i hate geno smith. we both dont know shit. so, have a coke and a smile.

nlm

That makes no fucking sense.

"Because neither of us are paid experts in the field, our opinions are equally valid/invalid."

SNR
03-11-2013, 10:18 PM
That makes no fucking sense.

"Because neither of us are paid experts in the field, our opinions are equally valid/invalid."

...but mine is still more valid than yours!

J Diddy
03-11-2013, 10:18 PM
Here's why these arguments don't work with you.

I can pull up gifs, videos, and scouting reports. I can use logic. I can use stats. I have used ALL of these methods to argue for Geno.

And at the end of my lengthy and numerous posts on the subject, you'll do what you just did, ("I think Geno sucks") and you won the argument.

You're underselling Geno Smith by a lot. A ****ing LOT. And never once have you acknowledged that.

You're right. Perhaps I am not viewing him objectively, but do you feel that you are?

I see a man who has some talent, but has some poor decision making. That is what concerns me. That he's not some savior that should be available with the first pick. If he's not that guy, then someone else can fill that role at a later pick.

I'm not trying to win any contest with you and at the end of the day we're both fans and we both want that lombardi. My bitch is primarily with the "if we don't draft geno, fuck this franchise" people.

I am happy with the coach and Gm they brought in and I'll be quite content not playing franchise mode on madden and letting them do their jobs. At least for 3 years, then the planes get up in the air again.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:18 PM
That makes no ****ing sense.

"Because neither of us are paid experts in the field, our opinions are equally valid/invalid."

our opinions are invalid at all because we dont know what the chiefs think of geno smith. THey could end up drafting him seeing exactly what people here see in him, or blow him off all together. No one knows shit. At the very least, i have no problem admitting that I have an opinion, and it could very well be wrong.

Shrugs. Even if im right, and he sucks, ill never gloat about it. and if he is great, ill admit that too.

BossChief
03-11-2013, 10:19 PM
ROFL

Mel Kiper has Geno at 7.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/3/11/4090672/mel-kiper-mock-draft-3-0-vikings-have-new-needs

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 10:19 PM
Why? My opinion on Geno Smith is much closer to people who know way more about football than you or I.

Like who? Mel Kiper? The guy who was full hard-on for Te'o for the first overall pick two months ago?

SO maybe it is you who should stfu. At least i have the balls enough to say that I really dont know.

It's not balls dude. It's lack of brains. Smart people know when to shut their gaping pie hole. Stupid people talk amazing amount of shit about something and then openly admit that they have no idea what they are talking about after the fact.

But, you can talk all your shit now. When he isnt drafted where you want him, and you start to understand that the experts were right, and you were wrong, then ill remind you of this convo.

Just like you were with Aaron Rogers and just about everyone else, right?

Yeah...

But Mike Glennon. That's your boy in 2013, correct?

Bewbies
03-11-2013, 10:21 PM
I myself, have wondered what the infatuation is. I dont know if people see RG3 in him. I just dont see it. I really dont.

With all due respect, you follow Alex Smith around. I don't think you even know what you see in a QB.

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 10:21 PM
You're right. Perhaps I am not viewing him objectively, but do you feel that you are?

I see a man who has some talent, but has some poor decision making.

Poor decision making?

The guy was throwing at a 71.3% completion percentage with 44 TD's against 6 Ints while trying to throw his team to victory in nearly every game of the season due to a horrible defense.

That's poor decision making?

Are you kidding me?

Direckshun
03-11-2013, 10:21 PM
our opinions are invalid at all because we dont know what the chiefs think of geno smith.

That would be true if we're arguing what the Chiefs do or do not think.

But we're not.

We're arguing what the Chiefs should be thinking.

And we don't need to know what the Chiefs think to argue that.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:24 PM
Like who? Mel Kiper? The guy who was full hard-on for Te'o for the first overall pick two months ago?



It's not balls dude. It's lack of brains. Smart people know when to shut their gaping pie hole. Stupid people talk amazing amount of shit about something and then openly admit that they have no idea what they are talking about after the fact.



Just like you were with Aaron Rogers and just about everyone else, right?

Yeah...

But Mike Glennon. That's your boy in 2013, correct?
Well, Todd McShay has you taking Luke Joeckel number one.

Have you heard of anyone saying that the Chiefs are taking Geno number one? You clearly need to take your same advice. What do you know more than me? You are dead set that Geno is the pick. You have no facts to back that up. NONE. I have evidence that supports my theory. you do not in this day and age, take a qb number one overrall if he isnt going to start immediately.

Who was the last qb overrall taken number one to sit?

Luck,
newton,
bradford,
all started immediately.

If they were taking geno smith first, and had liked him as much as you think they should, they dont trade for alex smith. They grab someone else like matt moore, to "compete" for the starting job, but of course knowing that hes not going to win it, just like cleveland did with weeden last year.

You can hate my opinion, call me stupid. But, the proof is already out there. Where is your expertise in all this?

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:25 PM
With all due respect, you follow Alex Smith around. I don't think you even know what you see in a QB.

i know exactly what i see in alex smith. a good game manager. hes nothing special. My reasons for liking alex smith have very little do with on the field ability.

Canofbier
03-11-2013, 10:25 PM
Let me get this straight. Geno is as good as Aaron Rodgers, who happens to be worse than Luck?

Your reading comprehension is poor if that's what your got out of my post. He has the potential to be like Aaron Rogers, and the work ethic to make it more likely. Luck had the rare combination of physical tools and football acumen that people generally hope top prospects will eventually have. That's what made him such a can't-miss prospect last year.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:26 PM
That would be true if we're arguing what the Chiefs do or do not think.

But we're not.

We're arguing what the Chiefs should be thinking.

And we don't need to know what the Chiefs think to argue that.

Thats exactly what im arguing. What the chiefs should be thinking. If you arent, im not here to play fantasy football. I talk realistically.

Shrugs.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:27 PM
Your reading comprehension is poor if that's what your got out of my post. He has the potential to be like Aaron Rogers, and the work ethic to make it more likely. Luck had the rare combination of physical tools and football acumen that people generally hope top prospects will eventually have. That's what made him such a can't-miss prospect last year.

Did you know that the 49ers actually like aaron rodgers as a football player better than alex smith?

What flipped them off him, and actually dropped him was they saw him as an arrogant, and wanted too much money.

Saccopoo
03-11-2013, 10:30 PM
Thats exactly what im arguing. What the chiefs should be thinking. If you arent, im not here to play fantasy football. I talk realistically.

Shrugs.

So, what should the Chiefs be thinking?

I see a team that just signed a 29 year old, noodle armed game manager with a concussion history and no one worth a crusty jock behind him on the roster.

I see a team who has a very good LT in Albert who they just franchised and two young, high draft picks at the OT position in Allen and Stephenson.

So, realistically, what makes more sense? A potential QB of the future or a guy that may or may not beat out either Allen or Stephenson for the starting RT spot?

Canofbier
03-11-2013, 10:35 PM
Did you know that the 49ers actually like aaron rodgers as a football player better than alex smith?

What flipped them off him, and actually dropped him was they saw him as an arrogant, and wanted too much money.

What is your point, then? The 49ers were clearly wrong in their choice, and the Packers chose Rogers, sat him for a couple years and he is now arguably the best quarterback in the league. That's not to say that our situation and the Packers' situation at te time are the same, but knowing how things are now, Rogers would have gone first overall without question.

As far as the compensation for Alex Smith is concerned, one could argue that the price for a successful QB corps was re-defined last year by the Redskins, who paid significantly more for RGIII and Cousins than we hypothetically would for the Smiths. As free agency occurs and pro days go on, we may have a better idea on what direction the Chiefs are going on draft day, but to say at this point that there is no chance that Geno is the pick is exactly as absurd as saying that he is surely the pick.

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:35 PM
So, what should the Chiefs be thinking?

I see a team that just signed a 29 year old, noodle armed game manager with a concussion history and no one worth a crusty jock behind him on the roster.

I see a team who has a very good LT in Albert who they just franchised and two young, high draft picks at the OT position in Allen and Stephenson.

So, realistically, what makes more sense? A potential QB of the future or a guy that may or may not beat out either Allen or Stephenson for the starting RT spot?

Realistically? first, he doesnt have a concussion history. This was his first concussion just for the record.

I do think that they have to grab a qb in the draft. I believe realistically, that they are going to take joeckel. Right move? only if they believe he is going to be of a joe thomas, ryan clady caliber. I would personally think they need to trade down. I just dont see a team having to have a player that in this draft is widely considered to be deep with good talent, and not top heavy with great talent. If they dont take Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley, Andy Reid has found a qb that he likes that will come out of no where like Kevin Kolb, or Nick Foles.

Who that is? No idea. If there is only two qbs to go in the first round there is going to be a crap ton to go in the second.

B14ckmon
03-11-2013, 10:36 PM
Geno will probably go #2.

unnecessary drama
03-11-2013, 10:36 PM
we aren't drafting Geno Smith at #1

if we trade down to the middle of the 1st and he has an unexpected fall and Reid/Dorsey see him as a value pick...that's the only way

but we need to stop with this notion we are taking Geno at #1

it isn't happening

Mavericks Ace
03-11-2013, 10:37 PM
What is your point, then? The 49ers were clearly wrong in their choice, and the Packers chose Rogers, sat him for a couple years and he is now arguably the best quarterback in the league. That's not to say that our situation and the Packers' situation is the same, but knowing how things are now, Rogers would have gone first overall without question.

As far as the compensation for Alex Smith is concerned, one could argue that the price for a successful QB corps was re-defined last year by the Redskins, who paid significantly more for RGIII and Cousins than we hypothetically would for the Smiths. As free agency occurs and pro days go on, we may have a better idea on what direction the Chiefs are going on draft day, but to day at this point that there is no chance that Geno is the pick is exactly as absurd as saying that he is surely the pick.

agreed. I rolled my eyes after Luke Joeckell had his pro day, the first thing i saw on my twitter was it was going to be hard to see the chiefs not taking joeckell after how impressive he was in his pro day.

Pro days right or wrong, are going to sway a lot of peoples minds. I wonder if having his pro day so early, isnt going to hurt him.

When is Geno's?

philfree
03-11-2013, 10:43 PM
ROFL

Mel Kiper has Geno at 7.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/3/11/4090672/mel-kiper-mock-draft-3-0-vikings-have-new-needs

If we're not drafting Geno then we better hope AZ wants him and then the Eagles want him since they were working him out. Bills and the Raiders could want him too. Then maybe we can move the 1st pick and recoup a 2nd.

Simply Red
03-11-2013, 10:45 PM
That would be true if we're arguing what the Chiefs do or do not think.

But we're not.

We're arguing what the Chiefs should be thinking.

And we don't need to know what the Chiefs think to argue that.

If you had to guess, would you think Dick Enberg likes Geno, even?

Bewbies
03-11-2013, 11:53 PM
i know exactly what i see in alex smith. a good game manager. hes nothing special. My reasons for liking alex smith have very little do with on the field ability.

No shit? You mean to tell me Alex Smith's skills on the field don't translate to you hanging on his nuts?

Bewbies
03-11-2013, 11:57 PM
I wonder how many Matt Cassel/Chiefs fans are going to join forums to whatever team is stupid enough to trade for/sign him and tell everyone how awesome he is? Convince the fans that their team made a good move?

B14ckmon
03-12-2013, 12:04 AM
14 more hours until Alex is officially a chief!

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-12-2013, 12:10 AM
Ah the smell of charred human flesh in the morning..

keg in kc
03-12-2013, 12:11 AM
You're right. Perhaps I am not viewing him objectively, but do you feel that you are?

I see a man who has some talent, but has some poor decision making. I see a man who had a total of 21 interceptions in more than 1400 career attempts (against just under 100 TDs), and was over 65% completions for his career.

If that's indicative of poor decision making, then I would love to see poor decision making here.

Of course, we aren't going to. But still. Damn.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-12-2013, 12:13 AM
Did you know that the 49ers actually like aaron rodgers as a football player better than alex smith?

What flipped them off him, and actually dropped him was they saw him as an arrogant, and wanted too much money.

So you're mentioning a decision that has cost them at least two Super Bowls.

Makes sense to me :spock:

kongamai004
03-12-2013, 12:45 AM
So if the Chiefs pull off the following moves:

1. lock up a starting DE like Dorsey/DeVito/Jason Jones

2. re-sign Branden Albert

3. ink a starting corner like DRC

Then that means we'll have a hole at pretty much two positions:

backup, developmental QB behind Alex Smith

and

right tackle

(and sam-backer, I guess, but Reid's not going to draft an ILB #1 overall)

The decision boils down to the safest possible pick in Luke Joeckel and the big-ballsy risk of Geno Smith.

I absolutely cannot accept the idea that Geno Smith is out of consideration.

We've got two potential right tackles on our roster now.

This team is mostly built. There are no huge, glaring deficiencies other than Alex Smith.

The secondary will have seven players with significant starting experience (Berry, Robinson, Abdullah, Lewis, Flowers, DRC, Arenas).

The WR corps could be beefed up, but features two receivers Andy Reid loves in Bowe and McCluster.

A tough defensive line. A good pair of bookend passrushers.

The Chiefs have a very experienced starting QB for Geno to sit behind.

And that starting QB was himself a 1st overall pick, and could mentor Geno through the worst aspects of it.

Geno's skillset beautifully matches a west coast offense.

It just makes too much sense to say no to. Too much sense.

Here's what I'll say:

If my plan was to bring in Geno Smith with the #1 pick, knowing what I know about him, then this is how I prep my team for his arrival.

I sit him for the year, let Alex fight for his reputation, and keep Geno comfortable with the clipboard for as long as Alex isn't shitting his pants.

This is what you'd do, right? The Chiefs haven't made any buzz with backup QBs. They've not commented on Stanzi. They haven't talked to anybody other than the QBs in this draft.

They don't want to burn the 1st overall on a right tackle. Surely not.

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03-12-2013, 01:05 AM
2014.

We'll draft Clowney next season after Alex Smith gets a concussion in the preseason and Cassel is back at starter for 2013.

Here's what we get in 2014:

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B14ckmon
03-12-2013, 01:20 AM
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Direckshun
03-12-2013, 06:21 AM
Thats exactly what im arguing. What the chiefs should be thinking.

Then you're not making consistent arguments.

If we're arguing what the Chiefs should be doing, then whether we know what the Chiefs front office is thinking doesn't matter.

Yet that's exactly the excuse you fall back on ("neither of us know what the Chiefs will do, so our opinions are invalid").

You have to make sure you arguments are consistent holistically, not just hope to limp through the discussion one post at a time.

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03-12-2013, 06:33 AM
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