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keg in kc
03-13-2013, 01:46 AM
This franchise has had two playoff berths since 2004. Since then, they've had 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 7-9 and 2-14 seasons. The fans finally revolted and the organization responded.

For better or worse, I don't think you can ask that same fan base to endure even more losing seasons in an effort to develop a QB from the weakest draft class in recent memory.

That just wasn't going to fly.What does developing a QB have to do with anything. Trading for Alex Cassel isn't an effort to play winning football. 20 years of history tells us that.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 01:52 AM
What does developing a QB have to do with anything. Trading for Alex Cassel isn't an effort to play winning football. 20 years of history tells us that.

You're speculating.

Trent Green won plenty of games. Joe Montana led them to the AFC championship. Both were fine QB's.

I don't understand how Matt fucking Cassel could spook so many people into believing that no one can win unless they're a first round QB that's been drafted by the Chiefs.

That mantra is out of control.

crazycoffey
03-13-2013, 02:10 AM
It's draft a QB to win a Super Bowl. That's all there is, anything else is just a lesson in mediocrity

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 02:24 AM
There's no Geno bluff.

Sure there is, just a different kind of bluff.

After you, true fans.

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Pasta Giant Meatball
03-13-2013, 03:58 AM
If Chase Daniels played for Tennessee or some shit, you guys wouldnt even care lol. You'd say "camp fodder" and the thread would be over in 3 pages.

So, there is more discussion on a player many saw every game of for a few years? Who knew!!!!!

kcxiv
03-13-2013, 04:10 AM
You're speculating.

Trent Green won plenty of games. Joe Montana led them to the AFC championship. Both were fine QB's.

I don't understand how Matt ****ing Cassel could spook so many people into believing that no one can win unless they're a first round QB that's been drafted by the Chiefs.

That mantra is out of control.

That was not franchise qb's. If Montana was Smith's age then maybe, but if he's smith age, h's not gonna get traded.

Im sorry but Montana and Green were still fucking failures. 1 play off win doesnt mean shit to me, Tim Tebow has 1 win as a starting qb.

Your in L.A you see how a top notch sports organization is. If the Lakers dont win it all its a fucking failure. Doesnt matter if they go to the finals and lose, its not good enough. Thats how it has to be, thats how it is for the Patriots, the Steelers and ev3ry other elite franchise.

Spott
03-13-2013, 04:22 AM
I love your positive attitude. But all serious die hard MU fans(myself included) know he is only 5'10 1/2".;)

I met him his rookie year after a preseason game when he was with the Redskins. He's probably 5'10" at the most.

Chiefnj2
03-13-2013, 05:14 AM
You're speculating.

Trent Green won plenty of games. Joe Montana led them to the AFC championship. Both were fine QB's.

I don't understand how Matt ****ing Cassel could spook so many people into believing that no one can win unless they're a first round QB that's been drafted by the Chiefs.

That mantra is out of control.

When Vermeil first signed it was for three years with the understanding it was a quick-turnaround and win-now approach. That's why they went heavy on FA's and experienced players. A lot of fans on CP don't want that 3 year window approach. They want to draft early and develop someone that can help the team contend for years.

Alex Smith and Chase Daniel reeks of the Cassel blueprint. Bring in an average vet and don't have any real competition to mess with him at the #2 spot.

Right now, on paper, next year's QB class doesn't look phenomenal either.

Bootlegged
03-13-2013, 06:45 AM
Measured at 6'0 at the combine.

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I'm waiting until March 12. If this goes through I'm ****ing done caring about this draft and this team. It's supposed to be entertainment, not torture, and it's emotionally ****ing ruinous. I spent the last five ****ing years hoping the Chiefs would be terrible enough to get a high draft pick and take a QB and both times when they were in position they traded for someone else's backup.

I'm ****ing done with the bullshit. Done. I'm rearranging my office this weekend. I'm taking down autographed photos, framed photos, memorabilia, art, clothes, hats. Anything that has to do with the Chiefs is getting expunged from my life, because I'm not going to continue to devote time and emotional energy into a team whose owner detests his fans and continually charges them more and more for the same shit sandwich.

E-****ing-nuff.
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Mr_Tomahawk
03-13-2013, 06:59 AM
@JuniorG93: Y'all sleeping #Chase Has A Cannon 4 Arm Most Definately will give Alex A run for his Money #WHODAT

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 07:03 AM
@JuniorG93: Y'all sleeping #Chase Has A Cannon 4 Arm Most Definately will give Alex A run for his Money #WHODAT

A cannon he does not have.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 07:33 AM
You're speculating.

Trent Green won plenty of games. Joe Montana led them to the AFC championship. Both were fine QB's.

I don't understand how Matt fucking Cassel could spook so many people into believing that no one can win unless they're a first round QB that's been drafted by the Chiefs.

That mantra is out of control.

What's the one thing they haven't won in the last 30 years?

What's the one way they haven't tried to address the QB position?

You just don't fucking get it. NOBODY is saying they CAN'T win without a first round QB.

If you look at NFL history, and especially Chiefs history, there's a CLEARLY ESTABLISHED line of probability.

Get your head out of your ass, homer.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 07:36 AM
This franchise has had two playoff berths since 2004. Since then, they've had 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 7-9 and 2-14 seasons. The fans finally revolted and the organization responded.

For better or worse, I don't think you can ask that same fan base to endure even more losing seasons in an effort to develop a QB from the weakest draft class in recent memory.

That just wasn't going to fly.

Because filling the stands is more important than winning playoff games.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 07:36 AM
What's the one thing they haven't won in the last 30 years?

What's the one way they haven't tried to address the QB position?

You just don't fucking get it. NOBODY is saying they CAN'T win without a first round QB.

If you look at NFL history, and especially Chiefs history, there's a CLEARLY ESTABLISHED line of probability.

Get your head out of your ass, homer.

The bottom line is it's OK to sit here and do whatever the fuck you want to do in the offseason. I really don't care. Have a ball with 2-gap slapdicks.

Just draft a goddamn QB in the first round. NO ONE can be SO SURE of a rookie class to completely write off ANY QB in the first round this year. Scouting isn't an exact science.

Do whatever the fuck you want to do. Trade for Alex Smith and get raped, I don't care. Just spend the 1.1 on a QB you morons. We don't need a LT.

oldandslow
03-13-2013, 07:42 AM
What's the one thing they haven't won in the last 30 years?

What's the one way they haven't tried to address the QB position?

You just don't ****ing get it. NOBODY is saying they CAN'T win without a first round QB.

If you look at NFL history, and especially Chiefs history, there's a CLEARLY ESTABLISHED line of probability.

Get your head out of your ass, homer.

I get it. You love Geno Smith. Many don't.

Alex Smith, in Reids opinion, will win the Chiefs many more games and give them a larger chance of making the playoffs and thus the SB.

Deal with it or don't - no one cares. But Damn, the whining is just over the top BORING.

Every post from you and Clay is the same thing.

Apocalypse Now. We didn't draft Geno. blah, blah, blah.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 07:44 AM
Deal with it or don't - no one cares. But Damn, the whining is just over the top BORING.
.

EVERYTHING with this franchise is boring.

Mike DeVito? BORING.

No deep threat WRs? BORING.

Not scoring? BORING.

Alex Smith? BORING.

If you're not bored by this fucking franchise you're lying to yourself.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 07:46 AM
I get it. You love Geno Smith. Many don't.

You're fucking clueless.

I also like Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley, and several other QBs, including a couple in next year's draft.

It's funny how you morons equate wanting to draft a QB, because of an overwhelming desire to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, as some kind of mindless lemming behavior.

While you simultaneously applaud moves like trading for Alex Smyth, which will all but GUARANTEE the Chiefs won't win a Super Bowl.

But that's not the goal is it? Gotta bring back the Marty years, fill the parking lots, amirite?

Alex Smith, in Reids opinion, will win the Chiefs many more games and give them a larger chance of making the playoffs and thus the SB.

Then Andy Reid is an idiot.

Deal with it or don't - no one cares. But Damn, the whining is just over the top BORING.

Every post from you and Clay is the same thing.

Apocolypse Now. We didn't draft Geno. blah, blah, blah.

I've already dealt with it. I'm no longer a Chiefs fan.

I'm just hear to troll you idiots.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 07:48 AM
And the great thing is they hedged their shitty Alex Smith bet with Chase Daniel.

I could at least get slightly optimistic, be a little interested, if they had done something AMAZING like drafting a QB in the 2nd (we haven't done that in 20 years, BTW). But they're not even gonna do that.

Fuck 'em. Win NOW or GTFO.

ChiTown
03-13-2013, 07:48 AM
I've already dealt with it. I'm no longer a Chiefs fan.

I'm just hear to troll you idiots.

:huh:

oldandslow
03-13-2013, 07:49 AM
EVERYTHING with this franchise is boring.

Mike DeVito? BORING.

No deep threat WRs? BORING.

Not scoring? BORING.

Alex Smith? BORING.

If you're not bored by this ****ing franchise you're lying to yourself.

Not bored at all. I believe in slow steady progress. I have run my professional life on that mantra for years. Sports franchises that do that are much more stable and successful (Cardinals in baseball and Steelers in football, for example). And have done very well, I might add.

DeVito is a fine signing, as is Fasano. I suspect we will have a deep threat before August. Alex Smith will be a good QB. And he will bring us much closer to the SB than G. Smith will ever take anyone.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 07:50 AM
Sports franchises that do that are much more stable and successful (Cardinals in baseball and Steelers in football, for example). And have done very well, I might add.


The Steelers were a boring-ass three-yards and a cloud-of-dust franchise that didn't win SHIT for YEARS until they drafted a first-round QB.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 07:51 AM
Not bored at all. I believe in slow steady progress. I have run my professional life on that mantra for years. Sports franchises that do that are much more stable and successful (Cardinals in baseball and Steelers in football, for example). And have done very well, I might add.

DeVito is a fine signing, as is Fasano. I suspect we will have a deep threat before August. Alex Smith will be a good QB. And he will bring us much closer to the SB than G. Smith will ever take anyone.

Comparing the Chiefs to the Steelers is laughable. The Chiefs approach is NOTHING like the Steelers. NOTHING.

Enjoy mediocrity moron. Slow steady progress. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Donger
03-13-2013, 07:52 AM
I could at least get slightly optimistic, be a little interested, if they had done something AMAZING like drafting a QB in the 2nd.

Do you think that it's a little strange that you wrote that in the past tense?

oldandslow
03-13-2013, 07:53 AM
I've already dealt with it. I'm no longer a Chiefs fan.

I'm just hear to troll you idiots.

Great. Glad to know what you are.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 07:53 AM
Do you think that it's a little strange that you wrote that in the past tense?

No, because I can see the future.

We're NOT drafting a QB high this year.

Donger
03-13-2013, 07:54 AM
No, because I can see the future.

We're NOT drafting a QB high this year.

Seems rather silly to me to get all worked up over something that hasn't taken place yet, and may not.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 07:55 AM
:huh:

Maybe the mods should have dealt with the OBVIOUS trolls when they had the chance, huh?

This type of behavior is obviously condoned here, so might as well make the most of it.

Look, these sheep are just gonna have to deal with it. All I wanted was to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl. I was patient for 30 years. I'm tired of being treated like wanting your team to win is a CRIME.

It isn't a crime. The true crime is continuing to support a team that respects you SO much, they don't even have to ACT like they're trying to win it all. Just win 10 games, fill the seats, the KC fans eat that shit up with a fucking shovel.

Fuck oldandslow, fuck Chiefs fans, and fuck the Chiefs.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 07:55 AM
Great. Glad to know what you are.

I already knew what you were, loser.

ptlyon
03-13-2013, 07:56 AM
:popcorn:

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 07:56 AM
Seems rather silly to me to get all worked up over something that hasn't taken place yet, and may not.

I have a brain. It tells me they're not taking a QB high. Not after paying a 6-foot QB $10 million.

ChiTown
03-13-2013, 07:57 AM
Maybe the mods should have dealt with the OBVIOUS trolls when they had the chance, huh?

This type of behavior is obviously condoned here, so might as well make the most of it.

Look, these sheep are just gonna have to deal with it. All I wanted was to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl. I was patient for 30 years. I'm tired of being treated like wanting your team to win is a CRIME.

It isn't a crime. The true crime is continuing to support a team that respects you SO much, they don't even have to ACT like they're trying to win it all. Just win 10 games, fill the seats, the KC fans eat that shit up with a ****ing shovel.

**** oldandslow, **** Chiefs fans, and **** the Chiefs.

Fuck you, Fuck very much!

Donger
03-13-2013, 07:58 AM
I have a brain. It tells me they're not taking a QB high. Not after paying a 6-foot QB $10 million.

That doesn't change the fact that it hasn't happened yet, and still may not.

Sorry.

oldandslow
03-13-2013, 08:09 AM
Maybe the mods should have dealt with the OBVIOUS trolls when they had the chance, huh?

This type of behavior is obviously condoned here, so might as well make the most of it.

Look, these sheep are just gonna have to deal with it. All I wanted was to see the Chiefs win a Super Bowl. I was patient for 30 years. I'm tired of being treated like wanting your team to win is a CRIME.

It isn't a crime. The true crime is continuing to support a team that respects you SO much, they don't even have to ACT like they're trying to win it all. Just win 10 games, fill the seats, the KC fans eat that shit up with a ****ing shovel.

**** oldandslow, **** Chiefs fans, and **** the Chiefs.

You're right. They don't want to win. Thank you for showing me the light. They just want to steal your money. Big bad corporation...Down with the MAN, I say. I think I will go on a message board and post bad things about them and curse their fans. That'll show 'em.

Bootlegged
03-13-2013, 08:12 AM
Love me a good temper tantrum. Please continue. And is the GotoHell guy GoChiefs or whatever he used to be called? If so I'm definitely taking football advice from the little fat kid.

htismaqe
03-13-2013, 08:14 AM
You're right. They don't want to win. Thank you for showing me the light. They just want to steal your money. Big bad corporation...Down with the MAN, I say.

ROFL

I didn't expect you to acutally understand the argument but points for creativity.

I think I will go on a message board and post bad things about them and curse their fans. That'll show 'em.

Again, you completely missed the point.

I'm not trying to show the Chiefs anything.

Moron.

duncan_idaho
03-13-2013, 08:32 AM
The San Francisco 49ers put the best roster in football around Alex Smith, and he couldn't make it to the Super Bowl.

His grand sum of accomplishments includes a playoff win against an incredibly flawed team with an awful defense and a crap-tastic performance against the Giants in which his crap play was a significant factor in the loss.

Oh, and he also was coached by one of the best coaches in the NFL while doing this (who benched him the first time he got a chance)

Anyone who thinks they can win the Super Bowl with Alex Smith is crazy.

That wouldn't have even been so bad. I get trying to bring in a decent QB for a few years, who isn't the worst guy in the NFL (I'll give you that Alex Grbonossel is at least a 15-22 QB in the NFL).

But the exorbitant price the Chiefs paid for him makes it extremely difficult - and much less likely - the Chiefs will draft someone who actually CAN be a top tier QB, good enough to win playoff games against elite teams and get the Chiefs to the Super Bowl.

We're down to hoping:

1) That Alex Grbonossel magically turns into an elite QB after nearly a decade as a starting QB in the league (Call this the Gannon Gambit)
2) That Chase Daniel blossoms in his chance to start, wins the job, and becomes an elite QB (can't even come up with a case of this to reference... Brunell Bullet?)
3) That the Chiefs turn a draft pick that is, at best, a scratcher ticket (3rd round or later) into a franchise QB (Call this the Brady Bluff)

King_Chief_Fan
03-13-2013, 08:39 AM
Love me a good temper tantrum. Please continue. And is the GotoHell guy GoChiefs or whatever he used to be called? If so I'm definitely taking football advice from the little fat kid.

:LOL:

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 08:42 AM
Love me a good temper tantrum. Please continue. And is the GotoHell guy GoChiefs or whatever he used to be called? If so I'm definitely taking football advice from the little fat kid.

I'm 31 fucking years old and I'm rapidly approaching disgruntled crusty old fart Chiefs fan status. Go fuck yourself.

King_Chief_Fan
03-13-2013, 08:43 AM
I'm 31 ****ing years old and I'm rapidly approaching disgruntled crusty old fart Chiefs fan status. Go **** yourself.:LOL:

Cmd'r&Chief
03-13-2013, 08:57 AM
I sure as shit hope we trade down. If we draft an OT with our once in a life-time #1 pick I'm going drive to Arrowhead Stadium and I'm going to shoot myself

Frazod
03-13-2013, 08:58 AM
I'm still happy! PBJ

Fish
03-13-2013, 09:10 AM
Not bored at all. I believe in slow steady progress. I have run my professional life on that mantra for years. Sports franchises that do that are much more stable and successful (Cardinals in baseball and Steelers in football, for example). And have done very well, I might add.

DeVito is a fine signing, as is Fasano. I suspect we will have a deep threat before August. Alex Smith will be a good QB. And he will bring us much closer to the SB than G. Smith will ever take anyone.

You believe in slow steady progress? Why would you not believe in quick immediate progress? Many teams manage that in today's NFL. Why should Chiefs fans be resigned to slow steady progress?

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 09:26 AM
This franchise has had two playoff berths since 2004. Since then, they've had 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 7-9 and 2-14 seasons. The fans finally revolted and the organization responded.

For better or worse, I don't think you can ask that same fan base to endure even more losing seasons in an effort to develop a QB from the weakest draft class in recent memory.

That just wasn't going to fly.

"weakest class"? Fallacy. Straw man. Bullshit.
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Rausch
03-13-2013, 09:28 AM
I sure as shit hope we trade down. If we draft an OT with our once in a life-time #1 pick I'm going drive to Arrowhead Stadium and I'm going to shoot myself

I always fell back to my no 2 team (the Steelers) once the playoffs rolled around but fuck me if re-Todd isn't over there fucking $3it up now...:banghead:

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 09:49 AM
I always fell back to my no 2 team (the Steelers) once the playoffs rolled around but fuck me if re-Todd isn't over there fucking $3it up now...:banghead:

Theres nothing wrong with Haley as coord, especially when you have Mike "The Rock" Tomlin to keep his ass in check.
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Cmd'r&Chief
03-13-2013, 09:50 AM
I always fell back to my no 2 team (the Steelers) once the playoffs rolled around but **** me if re-Todd isn't over there ****ing $3it up now...:banghead:

Meh, never been a fan of the Steelers. Re-Todd can f#*k things up over there all he wants.

alnorth
03-13-2013, 10:02 AM
Well, thats it. Even if we trade back and get a 2nd-round pick, we will not draft a QB in the first two rounds.

L.A. Chieffan
03-13-2013, 10:31 AM
I don't see what the problem is...

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 10:32 AM
"weakest class"? Fallacy. Straw man. Bullshit.
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Prove it

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 10:33 AM
Prove it

How do you expect him to prove it when they haven't even played a game in the NFL yet? His comment is no more ridiculous than yours.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 10:34 AM
Theres nothing wrong with Haley as coord, especially when you have Mike "The Rock" Tomlin to keep his ass in check.
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Bullfickingshit.

Roethlisberger was pissed all last season. Mike Wallace had his YPC cut in half and left. The Steelers went 8-8.

Haley was a failure, just like he was a failure in KC. Art Rooney II is clueless.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 10:36 AM
How do you expect him to prove it when they haven't even played a game in the NFL yet? His comment is no more ridiculous than yours.

Well, considering just about everyone that follows the NFL (outside of this forum, of course) believes this is the weakest class in years, I'd say its far less ridiculous.

The mantra in this forum spread by a few people regarding QB's has not only been the most fucking annoying thing in my 13 years on the 'Planet, there is literally NOTHING to support that position.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 10:39 AM
Well, thats it. Even if we trade back and get a 2nd-round pick, we will not draft a QB in the first two rounds.

It was obvious to anyone that listened to the initial press conference along with interviews with Dorsey, Clark and Reid, that they were not drafting a QB earlymI the draft.

But people didn't want to hear it, made excuses, etc.

It's actually been quite bizarre to witness.

Prison Bitch
03-13-2013, 10:40 AM
So back to Chase Daniel. Why did we just give a backup 3M per season? I really want to try and understand this. It's truly mind-boggling that we would do something so.....insane.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 10:41 AM
So back to Chase Daniel. Why did we just give a backup 3M per season? I really want to try and understand this. It's truly mind-boggling that we would do something so.....insane.

Miami paid Matt Moore $4 million per.

jd1020
03-13-2013, 10:43 AM
So back to Chase Daniel. Why did we just give a backup 3M per season? I really want to try and understand this. It's truly mind-boggling that we would do something so.....insane.

Probably because Alex Smith is garbage and can be counted on to break something so Daniel is more of a tweener backup/starter.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 10:46 AM
there is literally NOTHING to support that position.

Sure there is. You're just blind to it.

Barkley, Glennon and Geno compare pretty well to other first round QBs.

I mean when guys like Cam Newton go #1 overall...the bar is set low.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 10:46 AM
So back to Chase Daniel. Why did we just give a backup 3M per season? I really want to try and understand this. It's truly mind-boggling that we would do something so.....insane.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I think the Chiefs may have arbitraged our asses with the Chase Daniel signing.</p>&mdash; Fantasy Douche (@FantasyDouche) <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyDouche/status/311879822311821312">March 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>They basically signed a guy who probably has as much EV as the top QB in the draft, and didn't give up any draft picks to do it.</p>&mdash; Fantasy Douche (@FantasyDouche) <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyDouche/status/311880136398090240">March 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Prison Bitch
03-13-2013, 10:52 AM
Miami paid Matt Moore $4 million per.

So you found a team more stupid than us. Great. Now how do we compete with the 30 who are more intelligent?

KCinNY
03-13-2013, 10:53 AM
I always saw Daniel as a Koy Detmer-type backup.

Prison Bitch
03-13-2013, 10:59 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I think the Chiefs may have arbitraged our asses with the Chase Daniel signing.</p>&mdash; Fantasy Douche (@FantasyDouche) <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyDouche/status/311879822311821312">March 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>They basically signed a guy who probably has as much EV as the top QB in the draft, and didn't give up any draft picks to do it.</p>&mdash; Fantasy Douche (@FantasyDouche) <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyDouche/status/311880136398090240">March 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. I assume "EV" is expected value? If it is, how on gods earth would anyone be able to determine any "EV" for Chase Daniel who's never evne played? There's no way to ascertain if he can provide anything or not at this level. 9/10 when that's the case, it's because the guy sucks.


And who cares about keeping a damn draft pick anyway? We obviously didn't care about the #34 overall. This newcomer is chewing up valuable payroll space that we could be directing towards actual needs on the team. Guys who will guarantee to play. This move is really stupid. Insane in fact.

Ebolapox
03-13-2013, 11:01 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I think the Chiefs may have arbitraged our asses with the Chase Daniel signing.</p>&mdash; Fantasy Douche (@FantasyDouche) <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyDouche/status/311879822311821312">March 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>They basically signed a guy who probably has as much EV as the top QB in the draft, and didn't give up any draft picks to do it.</p>&mdash; Fantasy Douche (@FantasyDouche) <a href="https://twitter.com/FantasyDouche/status/311880136398090240">March 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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WTF is EV? _______ Value?

Ebolapox
03-13-2013, 11:01 AM
expected value?

MahiMike
03-13-2013, 11:06 AM
I like it. I watched him in preseason last year and he looked very sharp.

King_Chief_Fan
03-13-2013, 11:12 AM
So back to Chase Daniel. Why did we just give a backup 3M per season? I really want to try and understand this. It's truly mind-boggling that we would do something so.....insane.

good question....we could have paid Orton that much to stay last year (Dallas paid him that I think) and he would make a better back up than Daniel....shoot, he probably could have been the starter

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 11:15 AM
Sure there is. You're just blind to it.

Barkley, Glennon and Geno compare pretty well to other first round QBs.

I mean when guys like Cam Newton go #1 overall...the bar is set low.

LMAO

Give me a break. Which one of these guys won the JUCO National Championship as a QB? Which one of these guys one a National Championship and put the team on his back to win it?

Barkley hasn't been able to play since November. His Senior Season was poor compared to his Junior Season and he was considered to have a weak arm before the injury.

Glennon? Bwahahahahahahahahahah.

And as for Smith, let's not even go there.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 11:16 AM
So you found a team more stupid than us. Great. Now how do we compete with the 30 who are more intelligent?

You're a fucking idiot.

Backup QB is an extremely important position in today's NFL, considering all of the injuries to starters (especially concussions).

Shut the fuck up.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 11:16 AM
Glennon? Bwahahahahahahahahahah.


Glennon and Flacco are fairly comparable as prospects.

Don't even get me started on guys like Tannehill going in the top 10.

There's nothing wrong with this QB class. It's just an RGIII/Luck hangover.

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 11:17 AM
considering we now have the most injury prone QB in the NFL, I'd say our backup is the MOST important lol

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 11:17 AM
Backup QB is an extremely important position in today's NFL.

Then why did we sign a midget nobody with a weak arm?

I mean it's cool we have the weakest arms in the NFL on our roster and all...

jd1020
03-13-2013, 11:19 AM
Then why did we sign a midget nobody with a weak arm?

Too risky to draft a QB.

Much safer to replace a top 5 LT in a year with a wasted pick the previous year.

Thig Lyfe
03-13-2013, 11:20 AM
Isn't next years class supposed to be worse than this years is perceived?

"WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO SURE THINGS AT QB BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THE DRAFT WORKS. THEREFORE WE CAN'T DRAFT GENO!!!"

- idiots who can't remember a time before Luck and RGIII

Easy 6
03-13-2013, 11:24 AM
I'll be the first to admit that i know next to nothing about this guy, but if Sean Payton wanted him theres gotta be something worthwhile there... right?

Bootlegged
03-13-2013, 11:30 AM
I'm 31 ****ing years old and I'm rapidly approaching disgruntled crusty old fart Chiefs fan status. Go **** yourself.

Wow - time flies. So you are 31 now and still doing this shit? Impressive. BTW - did the skin on your dick ever grow back?

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 11:38 AM
Prove it

herp-derp. Its a weak-assed excuse/philosophy and you damned well know it.
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Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 11:39 AM
Bullfickingshit.

Roethlisberger was pissed all last season. Mike Wallace had his YPC cut in half and left. The Steelers went 8-8.

Haley was a failure, just like he was a failure in KC. Art Rooney II is clueless.

Clueless Art Rooney over a "competent" Clark Hunt, please
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Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 11:42 AM
You're a fucking idiot.

Backup QB is an extremely important position in today's NFL, considering all of the injuries to starters (especially concussions).

Shut the fuck up.

Starting QB position however is apparantly not important to the KC Chiefs.
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ptlyon
03-13-2013, 11:44 AM
You're a ****ing idiot.

Backup QB is an extremely important position in today's NFL, considering all of the injuries to starters (especially concussions).

Shut the **** up.

Thats why we now have 6

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 11:44 AM
Clueless Art Rooney over a "competent" Clark Hunt, please
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Do you know ANYTHING about the Steelers?

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 11:45 AM
Do you know ANYTHING about the Steelers?

Their franchise was and is beholden to QB play, like everyone else.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 11:47 AM
two things I like about Daniel...actually three

A) Sean Payton discovered Tony Romo at the combine when he was simply a combine thrower, not a participant. He had Parcells sign his as a UFA and he beat out Drew Henson to back up Drew Bledsoe and eventually became Dallas' franchise QB.

B) Preseason. I drafted Russell Wilson because of how he looked in preseason. Daniel looked sharp in preseason.

C) Preparation. Daniel sat behind Brees his entire career and knows how a 'physically limited' QB has to prepare to be a winner.

I'm not saying Daniel could be the next Brees but he has a lot working for him to turn some heads.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 11:47 AM
herp-derp. Its a weak-assed excuse/philosophy and you damned well know it.
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Bullshit.

Do you what's "weak"? That dumbasses here think that the Chiefs have years and years to waste trying to develop a first round QB, who by all accounts, shouldn't BE a first round QB, when the franchise has suffered through FIVE OUT OF SIX losing seasons, the most since the 80's.

The FIRST thing this team needs to do is build credibility with the agents and players, then with the fans. As much as you would bitch about an 8-8 team, the Chiefs WOULD be viewed far differently than another 2-14 team.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 11:49 AM
Their franchise was and is beholden to QB play, like everyone else.

Dan Rooney had been the guiding force behind the Steelers for years and years. Since he's become the ambassador to Ireland, the Steelers have been on the decline, which started after the 2008 Super Bowl.

Art Rooney is clueless. He has a rudderless ship in Pittsburgh and they're not improving on the field or via personnel.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 11:51 AM
two things I like about Daniel...actually three

A) Sean Payton discovered Tony Romo at the combine when he was simply a combine thrower, not a participant. He had Parcells sign his as a UFA and he beat out Drew Henson to back up Drew Bledsoe and eventually became Dallas' franchise QB.

B) Preseason. I drafted Russell Wilson because of how he looked in preseason. Daniel looked sharp in preseason.

C) Preparation. Daniel sat behind Brees his entire career and knows how a 'physically limited' QB has to prepare to be a winner.

I'm not saying Daniel could be the next Brees but he has a lot working for him to turn some heads.

I'm stoked now. He could be the next Rich Gannon.

King_Chief_Fan
03-13-2013, 11:53 AM
Their franchise was and is beholden to QB play, like everyone else.

you missed the Kordell Stuart days didn't you?

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 11:54 AM
you missed the Kordell Stuart days didn't you?

No, I remember them quite well.

Mostly I remember a shitty QB holding back an otherwise good football team.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 11:55 AM
I'm stoked now. He could be the next Rich Gannon.

shit if we get Rich Gannon out of Chase Daniel talk about a steal of a signing

the problem with you, Mr. Man, is you think Aaron Rodgers' grow off trees...

do you think the Bears can win anything with Jay Cutler?

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 11:58 AM
do you think the Bears can win anything with Jay Cutler?

If they actually improve their league-worst OL to something above average, absolutely.

Alex Smith would have that Bears team at 4-12.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:00 PM
and you honestly don't think Jay Cutler, and his inability to get rid of the ball, has nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of his offensive line?

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:02 PM
I just know Andy Reid realizes the importance of good QB play...and as much as I don't disagree with all of the disappointment and all of the 'here we go again' and all of the 'remember when it was In Scott We Trust?'...I'm willing to give Andy the benefit of the doubt on Geno Smith when every expert says the same thing as well.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 12:02 PM
and you honestly don't think Jay Cutler, and his inability to get rid of the ball, has nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of his offensive line?

Dude, they can't block people. Period.

Cutler never created any protection problems in Denver.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-13-2013, 12:04 PM
Duno what the convo is up to this point, but I would take Cutler over the trash on our Roster in a heart-beat.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:04 PM
Dude, they can't block people. Period.

Cutler never created any protection problems in Denver.

I don't remember Cutler in Denver other than choke jobs and never having a winning record.

I'm just saying...in Bears country everyone hates Cutler. Everyone always hates the QB. Unless the QB is Aaron Rodgers.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 12:06 PM
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. I assume "EV" is expected value? If it is, how on gods earth would anyone be able to determine any "EV" for Chase Daniel who's never evne played? There's no way to ascertain if he can provide anything or not at this level. 9/10 when that's the case, it's because the guy sucks.


And who cares about keeping a damn draft pick anyway? We obviously didn't care about the #34 overall. This newcomer is chewing up valuable payroll space that we could be directing towards actual needs on the team. Guys who will guarantee to play. This move is really stupid. Insane in fact.

WTF is EV? _______ Value?

Yeah so EV is expected value. Gambler's who do +EV things are long-term winners...one example.

So this FantasyDouche character I've talked back and forth with a lot. I've had him on my podcast, he's written a book, and he's a highly analytical guy. Basically his premise is very much stats based and he's essentially shown that you can take all of the data that's readily available from past players and use it to find how similar players will perform in the NFL. It's not perfect, but it's basically shown that it's as good, if not better than just watching lots of tape.

Before I go any further though, his real contention is that teams should be using analytics along with scouting to analyze players and yield the best possible outcomes...i.e. be even more +EV.

Anyway, he elaborated more. I won't post the fancy tweets just since they take up a lot of room, but here's what he had to say:

The Chiefs got a guy who has a pretty similar resume to Geno, has NFL experience, they didn't give anything up

Here's an explanation that I'm not saying is necessarily true, but fits all the facts.

The Chiefs liked Chase Daniel and felt like there was a chance that he might be their guy. But they're not 100% confident.

So they pick up Alex Smith as a hedge and give up a 2nd. and some other stuff that's conditional. But, if Daniel outplays Smith...

Then the conditional picks go away, and the Chiefs still got a starting QB for only a 2nd round pick and salaries.

And then even Alex Smith's salary is probably something that they could get away from after this year.

Like I said, can't say that's what happened, but it does fit all of the facts.

Also, Chase is almost as big as Geno, and they have similar college resumes (Geno threw less INTs though to be fair).


He also did an article on his site about Chase Daniel's NFL comparables.

Just a quick note here on the news that Chase Daniel is going to be backing up Alex Smith in Kansas City. I remembered that Daniel’s name had popped up in a QB screen with some other guys who had all started multiple games in the NFL, so I thought I would publish that information on the off-chance that it’s interesting.
When I was running QB comps for Geno Smith, I saw Daniel’s name in a group that was pretty impressive for a college QB similarity set. Trying to project QBs to the NFL is a difficult task whether you’re a scout or a spreadsheet jockey. The NFL hasn’t been very good at figuring out how to draft QBs, and even algorithmic projection systems like Football Outsiders’ Lewin Career Forecast only even tries with QBs chosen on the first three rounds of the draft. But that doesn’t mean that it can’t be interesting to look anyway. Also, half of the reason that I continue to look at college QBs is because I hope that I can eventually figure out a system for projecting QBs. Based on the velocity information that I’ve seen at Ourlads, I do think that if we had velocity information for every prospect we would be a lot closer to having a serviceable QB model. If you follow that link you’ll see that Daniel was recorded at 57 MPH, which is the upper end of the range.

In any case, here is Chase Daniel’s name with some guys that he was pretty similar to in terms of college numbers. The common threads that run through this group are as follows: high completion percentage, high number of career college starts, great TD/INT ratio both in their final year and throughout their careers, high number of yards/game in their final season. One area that you’ll note that Daniel is different from these guys is that he’s quite a bit smaller. Also, he doesn’t like hot tubs nearly as much as one guy on the list.

I can't paste in the table, but you can see it here (http://rotoviz.com/index.php/2013/03/the-worlds-first-ever-chase-daniel-fantasy-football-article/). The names on the list are:

Ben Roethlisberger
Andrew Luck
Kyle Orton
Philip Rivers
Matt Leinart
Kevin Kolb
Geno Smith

So there's good and bad names. Basically what he's getting at is that the Chiefs got a similar player to Geno and just had to pay him some money. Most people will understandably call that outlandish, and remember, this is only based on what they've done statistically for the most part. Nevertheless, based on this analysis I think you can definitely call the move +EV and I understand why the Chiefs did it. We have no idea who will be the better pro, Geno or Chase, but they sacraficed much less to find out.

(This post is going to get laughed at so hard, but it makes sense to me so rip away!)

good question....we could have paid Orton that much to stay last year (Dallas paid him that I think) and he would make a better back up than Daniel....shoot, he probably could have been the starter

Orton is making $5M a year.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 12:08 PM
I'm just saying...in Bears country everyone hates Cutler. Everyone always hates the QB. Unless the QB is Aaron Rodgers.

And yet he is winning there.

And he'd win even more if they had tackles who weren't abortions.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 12:09 PM
Duno what the convo is up to this point, but I would take Cutler over the trash on our Roster in a heart-beat.

I love Jay Cutler.

Chiefnj2
03-13-2013, 12:09 PM
Well, considering just about everyone that follows the NFL (outside of this forum, of course) believes this is the weakest class in years, I'd say its far less ridiculous.

.

Why is it weaker than 2 years ago? Leave Newton out of it since you claim he was a no-brainer because he led his team to a N.C.

Locker, Ponder and Gabbert all went in the top 12. Locker had a career 54% completion percentage. Senior year TD to INT ratio of only 17 to 9. EJ Manuel bailed Ponder's ass out two years in a row when he took over for him and won bowl games. Gabbert had questions and was as erratic as anyone.

I have a hard time believing that EJ can't be viewed superior to Ponder, or Smith/Barkley/Glennon better than an inaccurate Locker, etc.

Mav
03-13-2013, 12:11 PM
shit if we get Rich Gannon out of Chase Daniel talk about a steal of a signing

the problem with you, Mr. Man, is you think Aaron Rodgers' grow off trees...

do you think the Bears can win anything with Jay Cutler?

why cant alex smith be rich gannon?

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 12:12 PM
why cant alex smith be rich gannon?

every QB who sucked ever could be rich gannon!

sign them all!

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:12 PM
And yet he is winning there.

And he'd win even more if they had tackles who weren't abortions.

I just don't see it...

Cutler is worse than Aaron Rodgers when it comes to taking sacks. Both of those guys take unnecessary sacks all of the time.

They blame the line every year in Chicago..."fix" it with picks and free agents every year...and the results are the same every year.

After a while you have to actually watch and see why...and I live in Illinois, so the Bears are forced down my throat...

I think Cutler makes that very, very average line look very, very terrible.

Rodgers has one flaw and it is he takes too many sacks. He always tries to make the big play rather than always making the right play.

I said as much when I predicted the 49ers to beat them. I said the 49ers present a bad matchup because they can get to the QB and Rodgers will take the sack. I also said Kaepernick was vastly underrated but what do I know?

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:13 PM
why cant alex smith be rich gannon?

I'm sure he could but I know what Alex Smith is. He's an efficient game manager...I don't know if there is much upside and I know he takes too many sacks.

I am hoping Chase Daniel has more upside and could be a poor man's Drew Brees (from what I remember he doesn't have good arm strength and you can't develop that)

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 12:16 PM
Do you know ANYTHING about the Steelers?

Six-time world champions?
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DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 12:17 PM
shit if we get Rich Gannon out of Chase Daniel talk about a steal of a signing

the problem with you, Mr. Man, is you think Aaron Rodgers' grow off trees...

do you think the Bears can win anything with Jay Cutler?

Hell yes they can.

Cutler's a stud. He always has been.

For instance, you cite his record in Denver. In the 20 losses he suffered in Denver, his defense gave up an average of 33 points/gm. His defenses in Denver were hideous. And yet, he was often still able to win in shootouts.

In Chicago...well you're just wrong there. Cutler doesn't help his line, but he doesn't hurt it either. In his last year in Denver, his first with a decent line, he actually led the league in sack%; getting sacked on fewer than 2% of his dropbacks (which is amazing for a downfield passer). His sack rate in Chicago has doubled. Perhaps he shoulders a little blame there, but I find it hard to believe that a guy that got sacked 11 times in over 600 dropbacks his final year in Denver suddenly forgot how to slide protection and unload the football immediately upon his arrival in Chicago. It's a combination of scheme and protection that dooms him out there.

In Denver, he had no defense at all. In Chicago, he's had no O-line at all. He's just never been in a situation where he should've been expected to just drag the team to a SB.

He has one of the top 3 arms in the league and while his accuracy comes and goes, he's able to make placement throws into the corner that maybe 5 guys can make with any regularity. He's mobile in the pocket and he has a swagger that I love in my quarterback. It's the same swagger that gets Brady sucked off as a 'leader'.

I'd trade 1.1 for Cutler in a heartbeat.

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 12:20 PM
The fact you haven't heard a peep out of Chicago about even thinking about replacing Cutler the last two years speaks volumes.

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 12:21 PM
and they just overpaid for a lazy TE for him

gblowfish
03-13-2013, 12:22 PM
Cutler=Grbac

Hammock Parties
03-13-2013, 12:22 PM
I
After a while you have to actually watch and see why...and I live in Illinois, so the Bears are forced down my throat...

I think Cutler makes that very, very average line look very, very terrible.
?

I saw plenty of Bears games. That line is disgustingly bad. They haven't had a decent OT on EITHER side in 3 years.

J'Marcus Webb was basically the worst LT in football in 2011.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:23 PM
Hell yes they can.

Cutler's a stud. He always has been.

For instance, you cite his record in Denver. In the 20 losses he suffered in Denver, his defense gave up an average of 33 points/gm. His defenses in Denver were hideous. And yet, he was often still able to win in shootouts.

In Chicago...well you're just wrong there. Cutler doesn't help his line, but he doesn't hurt it either. In his last year in Denver, his first with a decent line, he actually led the league in sack%; getting sacked on fewer than 2% of his dropbacks (which is amazing for a downfield passer). His sack rate in Chicago has doubled. Perhaps he shoulders a little blame there, but I find it hard to believe that a guy that got sacked 11 times in over 600 dropbacks his final year in Denver suddenly forgot how to slide protection and unload the football immediately upon his arrival in Chicago. It's a combination of scheme and protection that dooms him out there.

In Denver, he had no defense at all. In Chicago, he's had no O-line at all. He's just never been in a situation where he should've been expected to just drag the team to a SB.

He has one of the top 3 arms in the league and while his accuracy comes and goes, he's able to make placement throws into the corner that maybe 5 guys can make with any regularity. He's mobile in the pocket and he has a swagger that I love in my quarterback. It's the same swagger that gets Brady sucked off as a 'leader'.

I'd trade 1.1 for Cutler in a heartbeat.

I don't see it with Cutler. I watch a good amount of Bears games and just don't see it.

That's me though. I've been wrong.

You have to remember Cutler played for Shanahan in Denver. Of course he's not going to get sacked a lot. Shanahan QB's don't get sacked a lot. It's in the scheme.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 12:24 PM
I saw plenty of Bears games. That line is disgustingly bad. They haven't had a decent OT on EITHER side in 3 years.

J'Marcus Webb was basically the worst LT in football in 2011.

I too watch about 70% of Bears games, and Cutler does the line no favors. BUT the line is also bad. It's a double edged sword.

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 12:25 PM
I saw plenty of Bears games. That line is disgustingly bad. They haven't had a decent OT on EITHER side in 3 years.

J'Marcus Webb was basically the worst LT in football in 2011.

Got sacked 4.0% of his dropbacks in Denver; 2% his final year.

Gets sacked in 8% of his dropbacks in Chicago; 4 times as frequently as the baseline he set over 600 attempts in his final 'pre-Chicago' season.

He's getting hung out to dry in Chicago.

I shit you not - put him on this team and it's an immediate Super Bowl contender.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:25 PM
Cutler obviously can make every throw...and he has some good QB mobility...

but he's a dipshit. He also holds the ball too long. and he also makes throws you just can't make in pivotal situations

I see him as a fringe top 10 QB which is good...but I don't think it's good enough to ever win anything of importance and that's what CP wants in the worst way, right?

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:26 PM
he may luck into something like Joe Flacco

I just think it's funny that Rahim Moore happened and suddenly Flacco gets $120M

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-13-2013, 12:27 PM
Got sacked 4.0% of his dropbacks in Denver; 2% his final year.

Gets sacked in 8% of his dropbacks in Chicago; 4 times as frequently as the baseline he set over 600 attempts in his final 'pre-Chicago' season.

He's getting hung out to dry in Chicago.

I shit you not - put him on this team and it's an immediate Super Bowl contender.

The Rat's sytem helped with that.

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 12:30 PM
I don't see it with Cutler. I watch a good amount of Bears games and just don't see it.

That's me though. I've been wrong.

You have to remember Cutler played for Shanahan in Denver. Of course he's not going to get sacked a lot. Shanahan QB's don't get sacked a lot. It's in the scheme.

Brian Griese did.

Plummer didn't, but Plummer was also a very mobile QB. McNabb did. John Elway got sacked more often than at any point in his career in the 1 season where Shanahan was his OC. When Shanny was his HC, Elway got sacked more often than Cutler.

I don't buy it. When he's had Plummer and Cutler, his sack% figures have been extremely low. When he's had his other QBs, they've been average to slightly below average.

Cutler's not the problem with the Bears O-line, no matter how hard Chicago fans try to blame him.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:34 PM
Brian Griese did.

Plummer didn't, but Plummer was also a very mobile QB. McNabb did. John Elway got sacked more often than at any point in his career in the 1 season where Shanahan was his OC. When Shanny was his HC, Elway got sacked more often than Cutler.

I don't buy it. When he's had Plummer and Cutler, his sack% figures have been extremely low. When he's had his other QBs, they've been average to slightly below average.

Cutler's not the problem with the Bears O-line, no matter how hard Chicago fans try to blame him.

perhaps

I watched the games and thought a lot of the times he simply held the ball too long...but I was never that emotionally invested so maybe all of the Bears fans and my friends (I live in Illinois remember) influence my opinion on Cutler more than I think...

I just get the fact as KC fans we're all mad about not taking a QB at #1...

but it's like everyone thinks these Aaron Rodgers grow on trees when truth be told these same fans would bitch about Jay Cutler, or Ben Roethlisberger, or etc. etc. etc.

if every "expert" and then our very own QB hungry coach Andy Reid and a guy who went from Favre to Rodgers are all telling us Geno isn't a franchise QB

I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt

even though I totally agree with anyone who doesn't want to do that anymore after the whole "executive of the decade" noise...

I have no problem with critiquing moves...but I'm not going to be a miserable cunt just because I'm a Chiefs fan.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 12:39 PM
Here's PFF's "time to throw" stats. Cutler isn't great (10th worst), but he's far from the worst.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/RyFo18/PFF_time_to_throw_zps04888851.png

Hootie
03-13-2013, 12:39 PM
but to the point on hand

I really like the Chase Daniel signing. Quality backup. Probably better than all 3 of the QB's we had on roster last year. Learned the NFL game in a very, very, very QB friendly system.

Do I think he's a franchise QB? Hell no. I just like the signing. I think it has potential.

Mav
03-13-2013, 12:55 PM
but to the point on hand

I really like the Chase Daniel signing. Quality backup. Probably better than all 3 of the QB's we had on roster last year. Learned the NFL game in a very, very, very QB friendly system.

Do I think he's a franchise QB? Hell no. I just like the signing. I think it has potential.

yeah, prolly wont go oh shit now if alex or, when alex gets dinged.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 01:20 PM
he may luck into something like Joe Flacco

I just think it's funny that Rahim Moore happened and suddenly Flacco gets $120M

Flacco was having a great game before Rahim Moore happened, btw.

Hootie
03-13-2013, 01:33 PM
Flacco was having a great game before Rahim Moore happened, btw.

I know he was...

doesn't erase the inconsistency he has every, single, year

dude is now vastly overrated because of Rahim Moore...and I realized he played a great, great, great postseason

(although Boldin did make some incredible plays for him)

but yeah

Rahim Moore made him $40 extra million (probably like an extra $15M guaranteed)

The Pest
03-13-2013, 01:34 PM
I would've liked the Chase Daniel signing if we hadn't traded for Smith.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 01:36 PM
I would've liked the Chase Daniel signing if we hadn't traded for Smith.

This.
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RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:38 PM
I would've liked the Chase Daniel signing if we hadn't traded for Smith.

It's possible they'll seriously give Chase a shot at the job. Would save them a higher pick next year (they still owe SF a conditional 2014 pick).

The Pest
03-13-2013, 01:39 PM
It's possible they'll seriously give Chase a shot at the job. Would save them a higher pick next year (they still owe SF a conditional 2014 pick).

That makes the Alex Smith trade even fucking worse than it is.

You're basically saying that you wasted a 2nd round pick and a $9 million dollar salary on a fucking backup.

ptlyon
03-13-2013, 01:43 PM
That makes the Alex Smith trade even ****ing worse than it is.

You're basically saying that you wasted a 2nd round pick and a $9 million dollar salary on a ****ing backup.

We were aware of that instantly. Who is injury prone to boot.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:43 PM
That makes the Alex Smith trade even ****ing worse than it is.

You're basically saying that you wasted a 2nd round pick and a $9 million dollar salary on a ****ing backup.

Or you spent a 2nd round pick to have two chances at finding your franchise guy. I think between the two of them they're making $11.5M. That's certainly about average I would think in terms of QB + backup QB compensation.

I had a lengthy post on this earlier in the thread, I'm not going to rehash. They're not putting all their eggs in one basket, they're maximizing their chances they find a solution at the QB situation with a minimal investment.

Matt Cassel came in and Pioli handed him a $60M contract. Alex Smith comes in and they bring in Chase Daniel to compete with him.

The Pest
03-13-2013, 01:45 PM
Or you spent a 2nd round pick to have two chances at finding your franchise guy. I think between the two of them they're making $11.5M. That's certainly about average I would think in terms of QB + backup QB compensation.

I had a lengthy post on this earlier in the thread, I'm not going to rehash. They're not putting all their eggs in one basket, they're maximizing their chances they find a solution at the QB situation with a minimal investment.

Matt Cassel came in and ***** handed him a $60M contract. Alex Smith comes in and they bring in Chase Daniel to compete with him.

Chase Daniel being instant competition for Alex Smith is pure speculation. I'd almost guarantee that Alex Smith is handed the starting job for 2013 without a second thought.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:49 PM
Chase Daniel being instant competition for Alex Smith is pure speculation. I'd almost guarantee that Alex Smith is handed the starting job for 2013 without a second thought.

Agreed it's speculation. We'll see how it plays out.

The Pest
03-13-2013, 01:52 PM
Barring anything crazy.....we're going to get 1 year of Alex Smith and then possibly a battle in 2014 for the QB position.

Say goodbye to a 1st round QB for at least the next 2 years.

Chiefnj2
03-13-2013, 02:02 PM
Competition my ass. This is an old school coach - Andy Reid, not Pete Carroll. They are in a win now mode. They aren't going to split first team reps. Alex is getting the ball.

Lex Luthor
03-13-2013, 02:04 PM
Barring anything crazy.....we're going to get 1 year of Alex Smith and then possibly a battle in 2014 for the QB position.

Say goodbye to a 1st round QB for at least the next 2 years.
I realize that drafting a quarterback in the first round has become the Holy Grail to a lot of people, but if Reid and Dorsey decide to approach it differerently AND THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL, then I'm fine with it.

I choose not to be gun-shy just because Pioli was such a fucking idiot about Cassel.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 02:22 PM
Chase Daniel being instant competition for Alex Smith is pure speculation. I'd almost guarantee that Alex Smith is handed the starting job for 2013 without a second thought.

This.
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ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 04:10 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Per @MoveTheSticks: Contract for Drew Stanton: Three years, $8.2 million. $3M guaranteed. Could earn $12M in incentives

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 08:36 PM
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

Chase Daniel's deal with KC voidable after '13. Gets $3M to sign, makes $3.8 in '13, $2.4 in '14 and $3.8M in '15

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 08:37 PM
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

Chase Daniel's deal with KC voidable after '13. Gets $3M to sign, makes $3.8 in '13, $2.4 in '14 and $3.8M in '15

So they get him in the system for one year, if they don't like him, so long. I can dig that.

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 08:44 PM
he gets 6.8 million to hang out close to home for a year

not a bad gig

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 08:44 PM
So they get him in the system for one year, if they don't like him, so long. I can dig that.

'Voidable' suggests that he can get out of it, does it not?

Technically, every contract is voidable by the team.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 08:44 PM
he gets 6.8 million to hang out close to home for a year

not a bad gig

Boy you cant read 3.8 in 13

pkane
03-13-2013, 08:47 PM
Boy you cant read 3.8 in 13

Plus the $3 mil signing bonus.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 08:47 PM
Plus the $3 mil signing bonus.

JFC His base is 800k this year

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 08:48 PM
'Voidable' suggests that he can get out of it, does it not?

Technically, every contract is voidable by the team.

Good point, maybe so.

MotherfuckerJones
03-13-2013, 08:49 PM
Jesus all these FAs have huge signing bonuses that way their base is only like 1 mil. These fans on here need to chill

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 08:49 PM
Plus the $3 mil signing bonus.

Nope. Lacanfora keeps doing that; he'll post the signing bonus and then the amount the guy gets in 2013.

His base salary in 2013 will be 800K plus the $3 million signing bonus = he gets $3.8 million in 2013.

pkane
03-13-2013, 08:50 PM
JFC His base is 800k this year

Ok. It wasn't specified in the tweet. Makes sense though.

The Pest
03-13-2013, 08:52 PM
Keeping themselves open to drafting a QB?

lcarus
03-13-2013, 08:55 PM
The fact you haven't heard a peep out of Chicago about even thinking about replacing Cutler the last two years speaks volumes.

To be fair, I truly believe the reason people like to make excuses for the Bears shitty offensive line, is because...as I've stated before....JAY CUTLER HAS THE MOST PUNCHABLE DOUCHE FACE IN ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-13-2013, 09:08 PM
Chase Daniel ‏@ChaseDaniel
Im blown away by the outpouring of support from #Chiefs nation as I start this new journey. Im so proud to be a member of the @kcchiefs. -CD

:whackit:

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 09:10 PM
To be fair, I truly believe the reason people like to make excuses for the Bears shitty offensive line, is because...as I've stated before....JAY CUTLER HAS THE MOST PUNCHABLE DOUCHE FACE IN ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY.

You'll get no argument from me there.

Cutler's doucheface makes it impossible for people to objectively evaluate him. Rivers used to be the same way, but there's a chance that he actually does suck now.

lcarus
03-13-2013, 09:13 PM
You'll get no argument from me there.

Cutler's doucheface makes it impossible for people to objectively evaluate him. Rivers used to be the same way, but there's a chance that he actually does suck now.

Oh Rivers doucheface is bad too, but Cutler's is just a notch above all others. Part of it is that Cutler acts like an emo kid who just happened to grow big and tall and have a good arm. Luckily for him, he ended up playing NFL football. Coulda been all Linkin Park and razor blades to the inner thigh for him.

The Pest
03-13-2013, 09:19 PM
Pipe dream.

Trade for Alex Smith.
Sign Chase Daniel
Draft Geno Smith.

Either Alex or Chase is gone after this year. Chase's contract is basically a 1 year deal. He can be cut after this year if they deem Alex to be the better backup. Alex is cut or traded after this year if Chase learns the offense. Camp battle in 2014 between Geno and Alex/Chase.

Yes....I know.....I'm on drugs.

SAUTO
03-13-2013, 09:24 PM
You'll get no argument from me there.

Cutler's doucheface makes it impossible for people to objectively evaluate him. Rivers used to be the same way, but there's a chance that he actually does suck now. I agree. Lol.


Stafford has a douche face too
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SAUTO
03-13-2013, 09:25 PM
Pipe dream.

Trade for Alex Smith.
Sign Chase Daniel
Draft Geno Smith.

Either Alex or Chase is gone after this year. Chase's contract is basically a 1 year deal. He can be cut after this year if they deem Alex to be the better backup. Alex is cut or traded after this year if Chase learns the offense. Camp battle in 2014 between Geno and Alex/Chase.

Yes....I know.....I'm on drugs.
I'm with you
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The Pest
03-13-2013, 09:25 PM
In the pipe dream or the drugs?

SAUTO
03-13-2013, 09:26 PM
In the pipe dream or the drugs?

Both if you've got extra
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lcarus
03-13-2013, 09:27 PM
I agree. Lol.


Stafford has a douche face too
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Come to think of it....oh dear. Nearly every successful QB has at least a mild case of douche face. I'm just that bitter at our QB situation for the past 4756 years that every QB that has some success I feel needs to be walloped with a scalding hot waffle iron about 170-somethin times.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 09:28 PM
I agree. Lol.


Stafford has a douche face too
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Drinks too much and hates conditioning.

Discuss Thrower
03-13-2013, 09:28 PM
In the pipe dream or the drugs?

Don't care if it's Geno or another QB but I'm with you.

I'm also drunk so take that for what it's worth.

SAUTO
03-13-2013, 09:30 PM
Drinks too much and hates conditioning.

I called him a junior cutler coming out of school
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The Pest
03-13-2013, 09:30 PM
Dorsey said that if they signed a QB in FA that there was a 99% chance they would draft one.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 09:32 PM
I called him a junior cutler coming out of school
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A fair assessment. He's got the 3/4 release off his back foot down like a boss as well.

SAUTO
03-13-2013, 09:35 PM
A fair assessment. He's got the 3/4 release off his back foot down like a boss as well.

I'd still take either over anything we've had since Montana except maybe green
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Sorter
03-13-2013, 09:40 PM
I'd still take either over anything we've had since Montana except maybe green
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Definitely.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 09:44 PM
Dorsey said that if they signed a QB in FA that there was a 99% chance they would draft one.

Wha?
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ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 10:26 PM
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

to make chase daniels' contract more clear, he can void the deal after any yr in which he throws for 2k yds and 12td. he's guar $4.8M

Alex Smith 4Ever
03-13-2013, 10:29 PM
Why does he look so sad all the time?

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-13-2013, 10:39 PM
Why does he look so sad all the time?

Playing second-fiddle to a broke-dick fiddle? Got cakes on the griddle?
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Ultra Peanut
03-14-2013, 11:37 AM
We finally have a QBOTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reerun_KC
03-14-2013, 11:39 AM
We finally have a QBOTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quarter back of the failures?

Booger boy has about that same shot as I do at becoming someones franchise QB...

Ultra Peanut
03-14-2013, 11:41 AM
Quarter back of the failures?

Booger boy has about that same shot as I do at becoming someones franchise QB...

He just needs a chance!!! You'll see!

Reerun_KC
03-14-2013, 11:41 AM
He just needs a chance!!! You'll see!

So you are saying I have a chance?

Ultra Peanut
03-14-2013, 11:44 AM
Sure! GO4IT

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-14-2013, 01:08 PM
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk

QB Chase Daniel received three-year, $10 million deal from Chiefs. $3.33 million per year. Per source.

BossChief
03-14-2013, 01:20 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5170/chase-daniel

3/12/2013: Signed a three-year, $10 million contract. The deal contains $4.8 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. Daniel's contract can void after any season in which he passes for 2,000 yards and 12 touchdowns. 2013: $800,000, 2014: $2.4 million, 2015: $3.8 million, 2016: Free Agent

The Pest
03-14-2013, 01:27 PM
So he still gets $3.8 million for 2013 correct?

kepp
03-14-2013, 01:32 PM
Should have signed Reesing.

From what I heard, they tried to dig through the mountain of Franzia boxes, but just couldn't find him.

Frankie
03-14-2013, 01:36 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5170/chase-daniel

3/12/2013: Signed a three-year, $10 million contract. The deal contains $4.8 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. Daniel's contract can void after any season in which he passes for 2,000 yards and 12 touchdowns. 2013: $800,000, 2014: $2.4 million, 2015: $3.8 million, 2016: Free Agent

This would have been a much better signing in my book. Hope I'm wrong. :(

Drew Stanton, who spent last season as a backup to Andrew Luck in Indianapolis, signed a three-year, $8.2-million contract Wednesday

Frosty
03-14-2013, 01:47 PM
This would have been a much better signing in my book. Hope I'm wrong. :(

Drew Stanton, who spent last season as a backup to Andrew Luck in Indianapolis, signed a three-year, $8.2-million contract Wednesday

You know, I keep seeing Stanton's name thrown around but the guy's been in the league since 2007 and hasn't done shit. Even with all of the times Stafford has been hurt, he hasn't played much (they normally went to Hill). Maybe he'll finally get his chance in Arizona but so far he seems like a "never was".

Chiefnj2
03-14-2013, 01:49 PM
12 TDs. That's a lot. /s Alex smith.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-14-2013, 04:16 PM
Tough shit. Mizzou in the house. Deal with it bitches.
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Chief_For_Life58
03-14-2013, 04:19 PM
Just bet a d.onkey fan that Brock throws more tds in the preseason than Nose picker Chase. Will I lose?

Frankie
03-14-2013, 05:29 PM
You know, I keep seeing Stanton's name thrown around but the guy's been in the league since 2007 and hasn't done shit. Even with all of the times Stafford has been hurt, he hasn't played much (they normally went to Hill). Maybe he'll finally get his chance in Arizona but so far he seems like a "never was".

What I seem to remember is both Hill and Stanton got to play in that season and they both played well. Hill is not available so Stanton has been of my interest since that season.

Also you can argue what you argued about Chase Daniel, and Drew was cheaper.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-19-2013, 03:12 PM
#Chiefs HC Andy Reid on signing QB Chase Daniel:

"All you have his preseason film. You're looking at one of more of the productive quarterbacks in the preseason. He's a local kid. I had coached at the University of Missouri, so I kind of knew about him when he was coming out. (Saints HC) Sean Payton, who I'm friends with, thinks the world of him. And he got to play behind (QB) Drew Brees, so he understands what it takes to be champion at this level and to lead a football team." about a minute ago

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-19-2013, 03:24 PM
Chase will probably never start but if he did, at least I could root for HIM.
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Easy 6
03-19-2013, 03:29 PM
After looking him up, i kinda like his potential... 72% and 4300 yards his senior year aint too shabby.

If Sean Payton and Andy Reid like him, he must've done something right.

Direckshun
03-19-2013, 03:30 PM
You're looking at one of more of the productive quarterbacks in the preseason.

Good lord.

You can't write shit like that.

Hammock Parties
03-19-2013, 03:32 PM
You're looking at one of more of the productive quarterbacks in the preseason.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c313/JHorn31G/JamesEarlDisgust.gif

mcaj22
03-19-2013, 03:33 PM
lol holy shit is Andy Reid on drugs

Hammock Parties
03-19-2013, 03:34 PM
You know who is productive in preseason?

Dexter McCluster.

MIDGET MONTANA2RICE

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-19-2013, 03:54 PM
After looking him up, i kinda like his potential... 72% and 4300 yards his senior year aint too shabby.

If Sean Payton and Andy Reid like him, he must've done something right.

Midgets FTW!
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jd1020
03-19-2013, 04:04 PM
Did the Saints, "who think the world of Daniel," not have the money to pay for his backup services as they helped him pack his bags?

Sorter
03-19-2013, 04:08 PM
Did the Saints, "who think the world of Daniel," not have the money to pay for his backup services as they helped him pack his bags?

I think they wanted to let him try and find a starting job somewhere.

houstonwhodat
03-19-2013, 04:13 PM
I think they wanted to let him try and find a starting job somewhere.

This.

Chase is a good QB I think you'll be happy.

Plus he learned from one of the best.

Chase just needs playing time.

Drew just signed a new contract but he's probably going to retire after this one runs out.

It's time for Chase.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-19-2013, 04:15 PM
Chase over Alice, please....
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jd1020
03-19-2013, 04:25 PM
This.

Chase is a good QB I think you'll be happy.

Plus he learned from one of the best.

Chase just needs playing time.

Drew just signed a new contract but he's probably going to retire after this one runs out.

It's time for Chase.

That would make sense and all if he had a chance to win the starting job in KC. But in case you missed it, thats already been guaranteed to Alex Smith.

beach tribe
03-19-2013, 05:38 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c313/JHorn31G/JamesEarlDisgust.gif

ROFL:LOL:

beach tribe
03-19-2013, 05:42 PM
That would make sense and all if he had a chance to win the starting job in KC. But in case you missed it, thats already been guaranteed to Alex Smith.

Smith has an injury history.
And Reid may actually want to try something else after he has him throw the ball 30 plus times a game for a while.
We'll see I guess.
I'm betting Chase gets on the field at some point though.

BossChief
03-19-2013, 05:49 PM
You know, there's an angle to the Daniels signing that has probably gone fairly undiscussed.

The fact that part of his contract talks were about Alex Smith NOT starting for a significant portion of time over the next two years. It's a 3 year deal, so that voidable part only comes into play the first two years.

That coupled with TBGs info that the team isn't talking to Alex about an extension means that the team doesnt even see Alex Smith as a cemented starter past the first year.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-19-2013, 06:03 PM
Cocker spaniel Daniel will be ready when Alex becomes brittle in the cold.