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ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 12:48 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker has agreed to terms with Denver Broncos.



Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker lands a two-year, $12 million deal from the Broncos. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. Have fun, Peyton.

tyton75
03-13-2013, 12:51 PM
That could be very bad for us.

loochy
03-13-2013, 12:52 PM
Like Pollard? He can BoneKrush on Manning.

Superturtle
03-13-2013, 12:52 PM
Cant wait for Dunta to fuck his little ass up.

Easy 6
03-13-2013, 12:53 PM
They're really trying to load up this year, the rat bastards.

Mavericks Ace
03-13-2013, 12:53 PM
Like Pollard? He can BoneKrush on Manning.

move eric berry to free?

That could be legit. Bring back the POLLARD.

Strongside
03-13-2013, 12:54 PM
New pope will never let this happen.

silver5liter
03-13-2013, 12:54 PM
Until this is done, I believe it is just a ploy to get more money out of New England

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 12:54 PM
With the Ravens coming apart at the seams......Denver is a legitimate contender for AFC Champion.

Chief_For_Life58
03-13-2013, 12:55 PM
move eric berry to free?

That could be legit. Bring back the POLLARD.

alex smith sucks

notorious
03-13-2013, 12:55 PM
Until this is done, I believe it is just a ploy to get more money out of New England

Agree.

What better way to motivate the Pats than threatening to go to one of their biggest threats?

Bewbies
03-13-2013, 12:55 PM
Because a DB is the difference between 2-14 and 13-3? LMAO

silver5liter
03-13-2013, 12:56 PM
I mean Welker is fast and all but hes had Tom Brady throwing to him and still has the most drops in the league.

pr_capone
03-13-2013, 12:56 PM
Because a DB is the difference between 2-14 and 13-3? LMAO

:doh!:

Flachief58
03-13-2013, 12:57 PM
That could be very bad for us.

They're really trying to load up this year, the rat bastards.

With the Ravens coming apart at the seams......Denver is a legitimate contender for AFC Champion.

:banghead:

chop
03-13-2013, 12:57 PM
Menzie is coming back so we should be good to go.

Hoover
03-13-2013, 12:59 PM
I love the fact that Denver is breaking the bank on a bunch of old players. We play our cards right we could own this division for a decade if we build our team right.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:00 PM
I mean Welker is fast and all but hes had Tom Brady throwing to him and still has the most drops in the league.

Well, when you catch 110+ catches in 5 of the last 6 seasons - that means your targets are incredibly high and you're going to drop a few.

I say go for it... sign him up, bring him to Denver and lets rock.

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 01:00 PM
Michael Huff

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:01 PM
I love the fact that Denver is breaking the bank on a bunch of old players. We play our cards right we could own this division for a decade if we build our team right.

Well, you're due... SD and OAK are twisting in the wind, DEN is older... not sure how much the likes of Alex Smith, Fasano and Avery scare people :evil:, but they're not horrible. Now, go fix your defense.

Flachief58
03-13-2013, 01:01 PM
Well, when you catch 110+ catches in 5 of the last 6 seasons - that means your targets are incredibly high and you're going to drop a few.

I say go for it... sign him up, bring him to Denver and lets rock.

4321

-King-
03-13-2013, 01:02 PM
So Stokley isn't coming back?

Count Zarth
03-13-2013, 01:04 PM
Manning to Thomas, Decker and Welker.

Holy fucking shit.

They might break the NFL passing record.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:05 PM
So Stokley isn't coming back?

Brandon is nearly 37 ... Wes is still 31.

Count Zarth
03-13-2013, 01:05 PM
I mean, this makes me really glad we got Alex Smith.

-King-
03-13-2013, 01:06 PM
Brandon is nearly 37 ... Wes is still 31.

Not what I asked, but cool.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:06 PM
Speaking of new DBs.... Denver should be looking more into that than they appear to be at this point.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:07 PM
Not what I asked, but cool.

Oh, I have no idea... but, if you had to make room for Wes, by not bringing Brandon back. Well... bye.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 01:07 PM
Is he going to produce with Manning?

We'll see.
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gblowfish
03-13-2013, 01:07 PM
I have no fear of Welker. He's just about done.

saphojunkie
03-13-2013, 01:08 PM
Bring in the Bonekrusher.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 01:09 PM
Michael Huff

I worked with his step brother, or half brother...Missouri fans probably know him...Marcus King.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:09 PM
I have no fear of Welker. He's just about done.

I'd take Welker at age 34 over Avery...

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 01:10 PM
I have no fear of Welker. He's just about done.

he looked like the same old Wes Welker to me last year

he does drop a lot of balls though...

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:11 PM
he looked like the same old Wes Welker to me last year

he does drop a lot of balls though...

Catches more than most as well - hell of an option when you need to move the chains, would love to see him in the mix with Thomas and Decker.

Chief_For_Life58
03-13-2013, 01:12 PM
Manning to Thomas, Decker and Welker.

Holy ****ing shit.

They might break the NFL passing record.

ya if mannings arm wasent made out of gluten free chinese soft noddles

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:12 PM
This is scary, bub.

Count Zarth
03-13-2013, 01:13 PM
ya if mannings arm wasent made out of gluten free chinese soft noddles

If you think the Broncos are going to be anything but the best offense in the NFL by adding Welker...think again.

Them getting Welker basically means they'll rape us 2x next year.

But yeah maybe we can be the no. 6 seed!

KILLER_CLOWN
03-13-2013, 01:14 PM
Oh yeah? Well we got Alex Smiff!!!!!!!

Chief_For_Life58
03-13-2013, 01:15 PM
If you think the Broncos are going to be anything but the best offense in the NFL by adding Welker...think again.

Them getting Welker basically means they'll rape us 2x next year.

But yeah maybe we can be the no. 6 seed!

i aint scured. peytons done and so are the donkeys

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 01:15 PM
Catches more than most as well - hell of an option when you need to move the chains, would love to see him in the mix with Thomas and Decker.

I agree.

He's a great player with the right system. I would have liked him in KC to help Alex Smith out but I realized that was a pipe dream.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 01:16 PM
If you think the Broncos are going to be anything but the best offense in the NFL by adding Welker...think again.

Them getting Welker basically means they'll rape us 2x next year.

But yeah maybe we can be the no. 6 seed!

it would have been the same thing had we drafted Geno...and I said as much

I was ridiculed for saying Denver has the division locked up for the next 3 years

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:16 PM
Welker should ask how they will improve that secondary before signing, offense isn't the problem in Denver. Wes would be a great addition, no doubt, but the defense needs some tough muscle added.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 01:18 PM
what, why?

Rahim Moore is so good he made Joe Flacco $40M more than he deserved.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:19 PM
what, why?

Rahim Moore is so good he made Joe Flacco $40M more than he deserved.

Exactly

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 01:24 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly

RT @GregABedard: Broncos deal with Patriots WR Wes Welker "very likely," according to a league source.

Superturtle
03-13-2013, 01:25 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly

RT @GregABedard: Broncos deal with Patriots WR Wes Welker "very likely," according to a league source.
Welp....

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:26 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly

RT @GregABedard: Broncos deal with Patriots WR Wes Welker "very likely," according to a league source.

I am kinda 'not buying' that this is as real as some are reporting. It could be, but something tells me NE will jump in and bring him back.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 01:26 PM
Goodbye Brandon Stokely.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:27 PM
Goodbye Brandon Stokely.

He'd be missed, but it would be an upgrade.

-King-
03-13-2013, 01:29 PM
This could be Wes and his agent trying to get the Patriots to up their offer.

DA_T_84
03-13-2013, 01:29 PM
Fucking called this. Damnit.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 01:29 PM
He'd be missed, but it would be an upgrade.

Most definitely.

I'll admit that Stokely performed far better this year than I thought was possible.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:32 PM
If they give Welker a big contract, you have to think Decker walks in FA next year. Thomas a FA in 2015. They're in win now mode, understandably.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 01:34 PM
yeah with Peyton only having 2-3 years left

a Welker signing makes PERFECT sense...

him manning (no pun) that slot instead of Stokely?

holy shit

that team will be amazing

they should be looking to draft a RB

Jerm
03-13-2013, 01:35 PM
Only good thing about this move is hopefully it'd spur Dorsey into getting Smith in here or another quality CB.

Warrior5
03-13-2013, 01:37 PM
Piss on Welker, Manning and the Denver ****ing Donkeys.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:37 PM
If they give Welker a big contract, you have to think Decker walks in FA next year. Thomas a FA in 2015. They're in win now mode, understandably.

This whole thing is being built with the 'SB or Bust' mentality ... started that way a year ago. If they don't get a ring, it's a failed bit.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 01:37 PM
He has a chance to be one of the few ex-Pats to succeed. Vinaterrier has been a while.

notorious
03-13-2013, 01:38 PM
New England is finally going to implode.


I am going to enjoy this.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:38 PM
This whole thing is being built with the 'SB or Bust' mentality ... started that way a year ago. If they don't get a ring, it's a failed bit.

Yep...Praying this happens.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:39 PM
New England is finally going to implode.


I am going to enjoy this.

NE loses a LOT if they don't bring Welker back... add to the mix what the Ravens have lost and it gets really interesting at the top of the AFC.

notorious
03-13-2013, 01:41 PM
NE loses a LOT if they don't bring Welker back... add to the mix what the Ravens have lost and it gets really interesting at the top of the AFC.

Exactly.


People easily forget last year with Bilichick thought he was going to stonewall Welker by using the cheap version of him.

Didn't turn out very well. LMAO

-King-
03-13-2013, 01:41 PM
New England is finally going to implode.


I am going to enjoy this.

Not if it means their best players going to Denver.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-13-2013, 01:41 PM
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ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 01:42 PM
Michael Silver ‏@MikeSilver

Filing now to Yahoo! Sports: The Broncos are "almost done" with a deal that will bring Wes Welker to Denver

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:43 PM
So, how much do you guys think Steven Jackson will get in FA? I'd kinda like to see Denver go for him ... on the cheap if that's possible. Drop Moreno - hate him, move up Hillman and draft a rookie.

notorious
03-13-2013, 01:43 PM
So, how much do you guys think Steven Jackson will get in FA? I'd kinda like to see Denver go for him ... on the cheap if that's possible. Drop Moreno - hate him, move up Hillman and draft a rookie.

Jackson wants to be the man. No 2-3 back systems.


If Denver can accomidate that, they have a shot.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 01:43 PM
Hmm. Thomas, Decker, Welker and Tamme. Moreno might actually be able to see some holes to run through if he's still on the team.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 01:44 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot that we stole San Diego's Guard too.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:44 PM
Hmm. Thomas, Decker, Welker and Tamme. Moreno might actually be able to see some holes to run through if he's still on the team.

I'd rather take my chances with Moreno in a different uniform in 2013. Hell, bring back Hillis and drop Moreno.

alanm
03-13-2013, 01:44 PM
This whole thing is being built with the 'SB or Bust' mentality ... started that way a year ago. If they don't get a ring, it's a failed bit.Thing is if Denver does it they'd be the 1st. Haven't seen one team yet that's been able to buy a SB via FA.

tony77
03-13-2013, 01:45 PM
No reason to fear the small punk wes. Hes not shit.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 01:45 PM
So, how much do you guys think Steven Jackson will get in FA? I'd kinda like to see Denver go for him ... on the cheap if that's possible. Drop Moreno - hate him, move up Hillman and draft a rookie.

Moreno looked really good in the playoff game up until he broke his vagina and had to go to the sideline.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:46 PM
So, it's 2:45pm cst right now.... based on what I'm reading from the more reliable Twitter feeds - I think we'll hear Welker signing in Denver by 3:20pm cst.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:46 PM
Moreno looked really good in the playoff game up until he broke his vagina and had to go to the sideline.

Gots no use for the dude.

ptlyon
03-13-2013, 01:47 PM
So why are we signing 2nd class players when players like Welker are available, again?

listopencil
03-13-2013, 01:48 PM
Gots no use for the dude.

Yeah, I think most Bronco fans are pretty much done with the guy. I like Hillman.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:49 PM
So why are we signing 2nd class players when players like Welker are available, again?

Because championships are never built in free agency. Ask the Eagles.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:49 PM
So why are we signing 2nd class players when players like Welker are available, again?

Who knows how it all works out... not sure if the prices were higher than market value for Fasano and Avery or not, but maybe it works out. You don't always need to sign the 'names'.

The best deals in FA are still to be had ... gotta wait a few more days.

Flachief58
03-13-2013, 01:49 PM
So why are we signing 2nd class players when players like Welker are available, again?

Because we have no realistic shot at a SB this year, Dungver does

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:49 PM
Yeah, I think most Bronco fans are pretty much done with the guy. I like Hillman.

If only he can stop fumbling.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 01:51 PM
Because championships are never built in free agency. Ask the Eagles.

You can't build an entire team with Free Agency. You can, however, put a team over the top with it.

Codered
03-13-2013, 01:51 PM
Peyton Manning makes everyone around him look better ... I don't expect a drop off with Welker if he signs there.

Thomas, Decker, and Welker ... rough!

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:52 PM
You can't build an entire team with Free Agency. You can, however, put a team over the top with it.

True ... you consistently build good teams via the draft and you fill holes in FA. Few teams successfully do well at the draft which is why FA is so crazy every year.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:52 PM
You can't build an entire team with Free Agency. You can, however, put a team over the top with it.

Exactly...And that's the difference between Denver and Kansas City.

Denver: Get players that are going to put us over the top.

Kansas City: Fill needs so that they can draft the best players available in the draft.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 01:53 PM
If only he can stop fumbling.

He was very young and slightly built last year. I'm looking forward to him putting on some weight and developing core strength. He's a playmaker.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 01:53 PM
Not only are we fucked.....the rest of the AFC West is fucked.

Go look at the CB depth in SD and OAK.

notorious
03-13-2013, 01:53 PM
Denver might be the only place he still sees good production.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 01:53 PM
NE loses a LOT if they don't bring Welker back... add to the mix what the Ravens have lost and it gets really interesting at the top of the AFC.

Personally, I think Tavon is an adequate replacement for Welker.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:55 PM
Denver might be the only place he still sees good production.

I don't know... I could see him doing well in BAL, DAL, NYG ... PIT.

notorious
03-13-2013, 01:57 PM
I don't know... I could see him doing well in BAL, DAL, NYG ... PIT.

Manning will know how to use him, and please don't take this the wrong way, but Welker fits Manning's armstrength a little better.

RyFo18
03-13-2013, 01:57 PM
You're never going to stay ahead in this league by overpaying your best players in their declining years. Belichick knows this. That's why he'll continue the run of success for another decade.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 01:58 PM
Manning will know how to use him, and please don't take this the wrong way, but Welker fits Manning's armstrength a little better.

I still have a feeling this is going to turn out with Wes resigning with NE when it's all said and done. Honestly, if NE loses Welker - I think they're f'ed... what else do they have as a threat outside of the TEs?

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 02:03 PM
Well, when you catch 110+ catches in 5 of the last 6 seasons - that means your targets are incredibly high and you're going to drop a few.

I say go for it... sign him up, bring him to Denver and lets rock.


I'm a big, huge fan of Welker, but he has seen his drops go up exponentially the last couple years, including in key, key situations.

I want him back, but I understand not giving him Megatron type money. I think his league-wide utility isn't as great as an elite #1 WR, as he needs a highly accurate QB to take advantage of his skill-set, but Manning is definitely a guy who could make use of his skills as well as anybody, so his value to the Broncos is higher than it is to many teams and, of course, it weakens another top AFC contender.

KCtotheSB
03-13-2013, 02:04 PM
Fuck you, Denver.

notorious
03-13-2013, 02:05 PM
I still have a feeling this is going to turn out with Wes resigning with NE when it's all said and done. Honestly, if NE loses Welker - I think they're f'ed... what else do they have as a threat outside of the TEs?

Everybody knows this, too.


We watched KC go down because of an asshat from NE with a huge ego. Maybe Billichick thinks he is smart enough to cover that hole.


I hope he tries.....

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 02:05 PM
I'm a big, huge fan of Welker, but he has seen his drops go up exponentially the last couple years, including in key, key situations.

I want him back, but I understand not giving him Megatron type money. I think his league-wide utility isn't as great as an elite #1 WR, as he needs a highly accurate QB to take advantage of his skill-set, but Manning is definitely a guy who could make use of his skills as well as anybody, so his value to the Broncos is higher than it is to many teams and, of course, it weakens another top AFC contender.

Everyone points to the drops and I get it... but, again when you're one of the most targeted in the league, that's something you just accept with the overall production being what it has been. Welker has been extremely critical to NE's success - you don't just replace him with most FA options. Not when their only other legit threats are TEs.

Mi_chief_fan
03-13-2013, 02:08 PM
I honestly think NE has better options than Welker, assuming Gronkowski & Hernandez are healthy (Tavon Austin?).

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 02:09 PM
Everyone points to the drops and I get it... but, again when you're one of the most targeted in the league, that's something you just accept with the overall production being what it has been. Welker has been extremely critical to NE's success - you don't just replace him with most FA options. Not when their only other legit threats are TEs.


Frankly last year we had two legitimate pass-catching threats -- Wes and whichever TE was healthy in any given week, because Hernandez and Gronk played, I think, precisely one full game together. Assuming they can stay healthy, then losing Wes means we're still at 2.

In all honesty, we need a Z more than we need Welker back. A legitimate, outside the hash marks WR would make this offense go better than another guy who does the middle of the field, because AH and Gronk can cover that area just fine.

Ultimtely, I don't know how much money Welker wants. If he's thinking $10MM per year for four or five years then, yeah, I can't really see paying that.

I'm sure Brady isn't going to be happy to lose him though. Wes is one of his best friends on the team. His work ethic and toughness are also very hard to match.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 02:10 PM
In the last 2 years - Welker accounts for 29% of the passes caught, 15% of the yards and 20% of the TDs caught from Brady... Tom does more with less, obviously, but those are huge numbers to fill if they let Wes walk.

silver5liter
03-13-2013, 02:13 PM
Eric Edholm ‏@Eric_Edholm

RT @MikeGiardi: A source close to the situation telling me that Welker has gone back to the Patriots to see if they'll match the offer

called it

Mi_chief_fan
03-13-2013, 02:13 PM
In the last 2 years - Welker accounts for 29% of the passes caught, 15% of the yards and 20% of the TDs caught from Brady... Tom does more with less, obviously, but those are huge numbers to fill if they let Wes walk.

They are, no doubt, and I'm not gonna hate on him, he's a good player; I guess that I just think that Welker can be more easily replaced than either of their tight ends.

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 02:14 PM
In the last 2 years - Welker accounts for 29% of the passes caught, 15% of the yards and 20% of the TDs caught from Brady... Tom does more with less, obviously, but those are huge numbers to fill if they let Wes walk.


Ultimately, he's replaceable ASSUMING the TEs stay healthy. Edelman can give us 60% or so of Welker, the two TEs being healthy can give us more (they will be targetted more) and having a better Z will help quite a bit also.

You also can't assume that he will be as productive the next two years as he was the last two years. He's the wrong side of 30. At some point, production drops, and usually dramatically. I doubt, knowing Welker, that that happens immediately or anything, but again, if he wants 4-5 years at $10 per, then that's a pretty big problem.

Mi_chief_fan
03-13-2013, 02:15 PM
Oh, and I guess I should also say, nice pickup, assuming he signs with Denver. He's WAY better than Stokley.

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 02:17 PM
And I really, really want to emphasize i'm not dumping on Welker. He's been a great, phenomenal player who is fun to watch (other than a few tough drops) and everything you want in a player. I'm NOT trashing him. I DO want him back. But it's not OMFGWECAN'TLOSEHIMNOMATTERWHATORWE'REDEAD!!!!

There's two guys on this team with that mantle -- Brady and Wilfork.

And if you forced me to choose between Welker and Gronk, then I take Gronk.

Welker and Hernandez is about even.

notorious
03-13-2013, 02:17 PM
Go to Denver.


I would much rather have a strong AFC West than the pile of garbage it's been for so long.

Prison Bitch
03-13-2013, 02:22 PM
You want a strong division to compete with. That's really intelligent. Thank you for that.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 02:25 PM
So, it's 2:45pm cst right now.... based on what I'm reading from the more reliable Twitter feeds - I think we'll hear Welker signing in Denver by 3:20pm cst.

Ok, so I missed it. Denver did announce a LB signing by 3:20pm cst though... o:-)

Anyway, my guess is that Welker goes back to NE as stated a few times already. I suppose it's good for Denver to play their role in pushing the price upward for Welker, hope it was worth the effort.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 02:38 PM
Word out of New England puts Denver's offer at $35M over four years (https://twitter.com/PatriotsExtra/status/311935760389505024). Sounds about right, and we'd figure a guaranteed figure of around $15M-17M to cover the first two years of the deal.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/schefter-broncos-pushing-to-sign-welker

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 02:38 PM
Denver is likely better served spending the Welker $ on two solid players for the secondary.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 02:39 PM
If the Donks truly wanted to fuck NE over, they'd draft Austin anyways.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 02:39 PM
Word out of New England puts Denver's offer at $35M over four years (https://twitter.com/PatriotsExtra/status/311935760389505024). Sounds about right, and we'd figure a guaranteed figure of around $15M-17M to cover the first two years of the deal.

http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/schefter-broncos-pushing-to-sign-welker

STFU I suppose that's the going rate... for that kind of player in this type of offense, with a QB like Manning. Just not sure that's where I'd invest the $ to be honest.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 02:40 PM
Denver is likely better served spending the Welker $ on two solid players for the secondary.

Coincidentally, that's right around the money they would have saved by cutting Dumervil.

Hoover
03-13-2013, 02:41 PM
So if Welker goes to Denver does NE grab Jennings and Danny form STL?

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 02:44 PM
Coincidentally, that's right around the money they would have saved by cutting Dumervil.

Except they agreed to restructure that contract already, and the offer has already been offered to Welker as of right now, likely going to be a 3 year 21-27 million offer.


I can also confirm that not only will we (the chiefs) pickup another CB by the end of this frenzy, but I can give you the list of who they want in order.

1. Sean Smith
2. DRC
3. Talib
4. Nnamdi
5. Cason

Sorter
03-13-2013, 02:46 PM
So if Welker goes to Denver does NE grab Jennings and Danny form STL?

They should.



Also, if they really wanted to make their offense resemble 2007, they'd have shelled out money to Mike Wallace.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 02:46 PM
Except they agreed to restructure that contract already, and the offer has already been offered to Welker as of right now, likely going to be a 3 year 21-27 million offer.




Last I heard was that Dumervil talks were at an impasse, and I posted a Welker contract rumor in an earlier post. Did you hear a different one?

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 02:49 PM
Last I heard was that Dumervil talks were at an impasse, and I posted a Welker contract rumor in an earlier post. Did you hear a different one?

I don't know the specifics of the offer yet, but I don't think he'll walk away from New England unless the offer was right around 7.5-8 per year or higher, and he's too good to get an offer shorter than 3 years.

I've heard a ton of rumors today, probably ones you haven't, but it'll all be the same.

I think overall Amendola was pegged to fill in for Wes Welker if he moved out, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats tossed a tiny contract at Julian Edelman to keep him, Danny doesn't go to the Pats, and signs a new contract with the Rams.

Edit: as for dumervil, it is still in talks but the financing for the most part is done.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 02:51 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker has agreed to terms with Denver Broncos.



Done deal

listopencil
03-13-2013, 02:52 PM
I don't know the specifics of the offer yet, but I don't think he'll walk away from New England unless the offer was right around 7.5-8 per year or higher, and he's too good to get an offer shorter than 3 years.

I've heard a ton of rumors today, probably ones you haven't, but it'll all be the same.

I think overall Amendola was pegged to fill in for Wes Welker if he moved out, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats tossed a tiny contract at Julian Edelman to keep him, Danny doesn't go to the Pats, and signs a new contract with the Rams.

Edit: as for Dumervil, it is still in talks but the financing for the most part is done.


Cool, and sweet.

listopencil
03-13-2013, 02:54 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker has agreed to terms with Denver Broncos.



Done deal


Vic Lombardi ‏<s>@</s>VicLombardi (https://twitter.com/VicLombardi) Source. "Done"

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 02:54 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker has agreed to terms with Denver Broncos.



Done deal

Yep, 3 year deal, figures not out yet.

Count Zarth
03-13-2013, 02:54 PM
The Patriots are going to get bounced in the wild-card round now.

Mr. Laz
03-13-2013, 02:54 PM
2-year deal for Broncos/welker

Mr_Tomahawk
03-13-2013, 02:54 PM
Bittersweet.

A big FU to the Pats.

But we are fucked....

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 02:54 PM
Now being reported as a 2 year deal....hmmm.

Edit: Must have gotten a lot of guaranteed money.

Strongside
03-13-2013, 02:55 PM
Welker deal is done. I fucking hate John Elway. I can't wait until his Dick Vermeil veteran strategy blows up in his face. They'll likely get close to a trophy in the next couple of years, but that team is going to be geriatric in 3.

Count Zarth
03-13-2013, 02:55 PM
I bet the Broncos win 15 games and sweep the AFC West.

Prepare to get raped, NFL.

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 02:55 PM
Yep, 3 year deal, figures not out yet.

2 years

Codered
03-13-2013, 02:56 PM
Welker deal is done. I ****ing hate John Elway. I can't wait until his Dick Vermeil veteran strategy blows up in his face. They'll likely get close to a trophy in the next couple of years, but that team is going to be geriatric in 3.

It's the NFL you don't have to rebuild if you are smart. We will see what life after Manning brings, but I can't remember the last time Denver only won 2 games in a season.

Wish the Chiefs would put out the same effort.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 02:56 PM
2 years

I already commented on the change.

saphojunkie
03-13-2013, 02:57 PM
Brady should tell the Patriot dipshits he wants to restructure his deal back to the old terms.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-13-2013, 02:57 PM
Brady should tell the Patriot dipshits he wants to restructure his deal back to the old terms.

LOL I was just typing this...

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:00 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker lands a two-year, $12 million deal from the Broncos. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. Have fun, Peyton.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Unreal 6m a year for Wes

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker lands a two-year, $12 million deal from the Broncos. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. Have fun, Peyton.

Freaking awesome signing - especially with that contract!

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:02 PM
Unreal 6m a year for Wes

Are you suggesting they overpaid?

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 03:02 PM
how is an Alex Smith led team going to score enough points against this type of offense?

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:02 PM
Are you suggesting they overpaid?

No that's a great deal

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:02 PM
Now for the interesting part of free agency, how we get our Cornerback, and how this deal between the Broncos and Welker affects us.

I'm not going to beat the newly dead horse of "OMG Welker and Manning is going to kills us omg". We've talked about that already, we'll deal with it. What this deal does, though, affects our targets, and once again the Patriots have the ball to deal with, and here's why.

If the Patriots don't sign Danny Amendola, the front runner to replace Wes Welker in the slot, then that means they will sign Julian Edelman. If they sign Edelman instead of Amendola, they can afford to keep Aqib Talib, someone we are targeting for CB2. If they do that, Amendola goes back to St. Louis and signs a contract.

This now takes away 3 Receivers for us to sign, and takes away one of the Corners we were looking at.

Most likely we'll end up with Sean Smith, our #1 target, or DRC/Nnamdi.

If we don't sign Smith, who a number of teams are after, we will have more foreseeable cap room open to sign another wide receiver, since we seem to be ignoring the RT issue. Thus allowing the Greg Jennings rumors that I heard an hour ago, to actually turn into something tangible. And I don't like Greg Jennings.

Hopefully instead of Greg Jennings, the Chiefs end up being one of the 5-6 teams that contacted Karlos Dansby immediately after his release, and we end up signing a DRC/Namdi deal, as well as shoring up our linebacker position.

All eyes at this point are on the Patriots and Danny Amendola. If they don't sign him, we will likely lose Talib, and MUST pursue Sean Smith or face much weaker alternatives.

MagicHef
03-13-2013, 03:02 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker lands a two-year, $12 million deal from the Broncos. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. Have fun, Peyton.

What? Is Welker not very fond of money? How did that happen?

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:04 PM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker lands a two-year, $12 million deal from the Broncos. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. Have fun, Peyton.


Now if that's true, that freaking sucks. I can't understand the Pats not giving him 3 years at 6, or 2 years at 6.5. That's just stupid...

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:05 PM
What? Is Welker not very fond of money? How did that happen?

Agreed, he must have had a VERY short list of teams he would consider... and he must really not be happy with Broncos' management.

The Bad Guy
03-13-2013, 03:05 PM
Donnie Avery gets 11 million over 3 years and Welker gets 2 for 12. I hate the Avery signing.

JD10367
03-13-2013, 03:06 PM
If it's only a two-year deal it must be a lot of guaranteed money.

Wes isn't that old, but he's got a lot of wear on the tires. I appreciate what he did here, but I think Belichick was tired of watching Welker drop passes when it counted the most. Welker's going to get along great with Manning; they both produce ridonkulous stats but come up short (no height joke intended) at the worst times.

As Amnorix pointed out, the Pats have other options for the short game. If (and that's a big "if") they can finally get both Gronk and AHern to stay healthy then that part of the game is still pretty viable. They need more of an outside threat to stretch the field and provide big-play ability and keep the defenses from loading up close to the line.

The Pats won three Super Bowls. None of them with Welker or Randy Moss. They won them with clutch defensive players like Ty Law and Rodney Harrison (pre-Giants facemask bounce). Offense sells tickets, defense wins games. I already had the pleasure (and pain) of watching the 2007 record-setting offense go 18-1. The Broncos will suffer the same fate if they worry too much about putting toys around an aging Peyton and not enough about getting the defense top-notch.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 03:06 PM
Seriously.....2 years and $12 million? Fuck.

seaofred
03-13-2013, 03:06 PM
TBG what is your guy saying about Sean Smith?

DA_T_84
03-13-2013, 03:06 PM
Peyton Manning discount

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:07 PM
If it's only a two-year deal it must be a lot of guaranteed money.

Wes isn't that old, but he's got a lot of wear on the tires. I appreciate what he did here, but I think Belichick was tired of watching Welker drop passes when it counted the most. Welker's going to get along great with Manning; they both produce ridonkulous stats but come up short (no height joke intended) at the worst times.

As Amnorix pointed out, the Pats have other options for the short game. If (and that's a big "if") they can finally get both Gronk and AHern to stay healthy then that part of the game is still pretty viable. They need more of an outside threat to stretch the field and provide big-play ability and keep the defenses from loading up close to the line.

The Pats won three Super Bowls. None of them with Welker or Randy Moss. They won them with clutch defensive players like Ty Law and Rodney Harrison (pre-Giants facemask bounce). Offense sells tickets, defense wins games. I already had the pleasure (and pain) of watching the 2007 record-setting offense go 18-1. The Broncos will suffer the same fate if they worry too much about putting toys around an aging Peyton and not enough about getting the defense top-notch.


I'm guessing nearly all of it is guaranteed.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 03:08 PM
If it's only a two-year deal it must be a lot of guaranteed money.

Wes isn't that old, but he's got a lot of wear on the tires. I appreciate what he did here, but I think Belichick was tired of watching Welker drop passes when it counted the most. Welker's going to get along great with Manning; they both produce ridonkulous stats but come up short (no height joke intended) at the worst times.

As Amnorix pointed out, the Pats have other options for the short game. If (and that's a big "if") they can finally get both Gronk and AHern to stay healthy then that part of the game is still pretty viable. They need more of an outside threat to stretch the field and provide big-play ability and keep the defenses from loading up close to the line.

The Pats won three Super Bowls. None of them with Welker or Randy Moss. They won them with clutch defensive players like Ty Law and Rodney Harrison (pre-Giants facemask bounce). Offense sells tickets, defense wins games. I already had the pleasure (and pain) of watching the 2007 record-setting offense go 18-1. The Broncos will suffer the same fate if they worry too much about putting toys around an aging Peyton and not enough about getting the defense top-notch.

Unless Jones, Bequette, Hightower, all develop into monsters and NE finds help at CB, you're fucked.

JD10367
03-13-2013, 03:09 PM
2 years at $6M per makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It makes no sense for Welker, and it makes no sense for the Patriots. This is beginning to smell more like a situation where Belichick and Welker had a falling-out and just couldn't work with each other any more. Which wouldn't surprise me, since I believe they've had issues ever since Welker made the feet comments about Rex Ryan and Belichick benched Welker for the first part of the following game IIRC. But if that's the case, the Pats should've tagged his ass and gotten something for him.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:10 PM
Wow.

Who cares about corners?...we better go out and get a handful of pass rushers.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Wow.

Who cares about corners?...we better go out and get a handful of pass rushers.

We're going to need both.

JD10367
03-13-2013, 03:12 PM
Unless Jones, Bequette, Hightower, all develop into monsters and NE finds help at CB, you're ****ed.

I have faith in Jones and Hightower. I have no faith in the cornerback situation. For a guy who's supposed to be a defensive genius, Belichick can't find a defensive back who's half as good as Ty Law was. I still wouldn't have any other head coach but I admit the events of 2007 and 2011 have taken the shine off of him.

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 03:14 PM
how about a fucking d-lineman worth a shit that can push the pocket against these pass happy offenses

there's a fucking novel concept.

okcchief
03-13-2013, 03:14 PM
Help us Bernard Pollard! You're our only hope!

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:20 PM
Unless Jones, Bequette, Hightower, all develop into monsters and NE finds help at CB, you're fucked.

That's debatable.
2 years at $6M per makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It makes no sense for Welker, and it makes no sense for the Patriots. This is beginning to smell more like a situation where Belichick and Welker had a falling-out and just couldn't work with each other any more. Which wouldn't surprise me, since I believe they've had issues ever since Welker made the feet comments about Rex Ryan and Belichick benched Welker for the first part of the following game IIRC. But if that's the case, the Pats should've tagged his ass and gotten something for him.

Early reports were that Welker and the Pats were "miles" apart, which means they probably offered him 3 years at about 11-12 million, with maybe 1/3rd of that guaranteed. They already tried to phase Welker out of the offense at the beginning of last year, and banked on Edelman being his replacement.
Wow.

Who cares about corners?...we better go out and get a handful of pass rushers.

Why would we need pass rushers because Welker is there? Welker is a slot guy and in case you didn't watch the Patriots play last year, like I did, the pass rush will do NOTHING to combat Welker. The Patriots played a no-huddle, quick release offense last year to combat the pass rush. It worked incredibly well.

What we need is a #2 corner, a coverage linebacker, and a nickel corner.

We have 2 out of 3 already on this roster. We have one of the best linebackers in football with DJ, and we have a very good nickel corner in Arenas.

We don't have the #2 CB though.

GoChargers
03-13-2013, 03:22 PM
I can't decide what's funnier: Denver wasting cap space on someone they don't need, or Patsies fans' tears.

Urc Burry
03-13-2013, 03:23 PM
Was it Arenas or Flowers on Welker last time we played? I recall is pretty much taking him out of the game

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:23 PM
Sapp Just called Pioli out



Pioli said why couldn't kc Gm get Wes. Sapp said the last GM wasted all the picks on DL

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:23 PM
Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran

Spoke to someone close to Tom Brady. Beyond enraged at contract details that netted Broncos Wes Welker. "Disgrace" "disservice" were used.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:24 PM
Bittersweet.

A big FU to the Pats.

But we are ****ed....

Naa, this will only force us to get better.

okcchief
03-13-2013, 03:24 PM
Donnie Avery gets 11 million over 3 years and Welker gets 2 for 12. I hate the Avery signing.

That's because he still gets to play with a HOF QB and SB contender. Someday over the rainbow maybe we'll get one to get some basement bargain deals. Probably long after we're dead, but someday.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 03:25 PM
I have faith in Jones and Hightower. I have no faith in the cornerback situation. For a guy who's supposed to be a defensive genius, Belichick can't find a defensive back who's half as good as Ty Law was. I still wouldn't have any other head coach but I admit the events of 2007 and 2011 have taken the shine off of him.

At this point (without knowledge as to how BB evaluates/values corners), I'd blame your scouts. Your guys aren't giving corners solid grades or BB is completely ignoring them. With the trade and desire to sign Talib, I think it is the scouts. I don't know any NE scouts or BB so this entirely speculation.

GoChargers
03-13-2013, 03:26 PM
Tom E. Curran ‏@tomecurran

Spoke to someone close to Tom Brady. Beyond enraged at contract details that netted Broncos Wes Welker. "Disgrace" "disservice" were used.

He mad.

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 03:26 PM
Eh, Welker doesn't scare me.

Either Manning is healthy all season - in which case the Broncos were going to wax us anyway, or he isn't, in which case Welker's just another decent player that Tom Brady made wealthy and we'll be able to overtake Denver.

Welker isn't a difference maker for the Broncos at all, IMO.

Messier
03-13-2013, 03:26 PM
Welker gave the Patriots a chance to match that and they didn't? Hmm.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:26 PM
6 mil a year. No fucking way.

Consistent1
03-13-2013, 03:28 PM
With the Ravens coming apart at the seams......Denver is a legitimate contender for AFC Champion.

Denver really had them beat this year.

Messier
03-13-2013, 03:28 PM
Broncos giving themselves two years to win SB. I hope they fail.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 03:29 PM
That's debatable.




I should have clarified, I mean fucked in the post season.

If they can't resign Arrington (who is best utilized in the slot), they are screwed in the post season. As an example, look to the Ravens game in the playoffs when they had to play Arrington outside instead of in the slot on 3W sets.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:29 PM
I have to lol at 2 years 12 mil

he must have really hated the Patriots

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 03:29 PM
donnie avery at 11 mil
wes welker at 12 mil


lols

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:29 PM
I can't decide what's funnier: Denver wasting cap space on someone they don't need, or Patsies fans' tears.

They didn't waste cap space there with Welker, that signing was HUGE for the shape of the West. You now have an offense with three monster receivers, and the ONLY receiver to ever put up 5 years with 100 or more catches. Shit just got real.

Now the emphasis is on us to land our corner.

Was it Arenas or Flowers on Welker last time we played? I recall is pretty much taking him out of the game

If I'm not mistaken, it was a communal effort between DJ, Arenas, and I think perhaps Flowers or Kendrick Lewis. I can't remember if we had Berry then or not.
Sapp Just called ***** out



***** said why couldn't kc Gm get Wes. Sapp said the last GM wasted all the picks on DL

What I just saw on NFL Network, was Pioli calling himself out. I didn't hear Sapp say it.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:30 PM
donnie avery at 11 mil
wes welker at 12 mil


lols

Dumbass do you really think Wes comes to KC for the same deal? Answer is no

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:30 PM
donnie avery at 11 mil
wes welker at 12 mil


lols

welker CLEARLY wanted to play with Manning / stick it to New England

this has nothing to do with anything other than that

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:30 PM
Eh, Welker doesn't scare me.

Either Manning is healthy all season - in which case the Broncos were going to wax us anyway, or he isn't, in which case Welker's just another decent player that Tom Brady made wealthy and we'll be able to overtake Denver.

Welker isn't a difference maker for the Broncos at all, IMO.

Oh wow ... I think he's a total difference matter in the clutch, much better than the safety blanket that Stokley was for Manning. Welker is a legit option and gives them 3 lethal options, not counting Tamme.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:30 PM
They didn't waste cap space there with Welker, that signing was HUGE for the shape of the West. You now have an offense with three monster receivers, and the ONLY receiver to ever put up 5 years with 100 or more catches. Shit just got real.

Now the emphasis is on us to land our corner.



If I'm not mistaken, it was a communal effort between DJ, Arenas, and I think perhaps Flowers or Kendrick Lewis. I can't remember if we had Berry then or not.


What I just saw on NFL Network, was ***** calling himself out. I didn't hear Sapp say it.



He did and it was funny

Sorter
03-13-2013, 03:31 PM
Eh, Welker doesn't scare me.

Either Manning is healthy all season - in which case the Broncos were going to wax us anyway, or he isn't, in which case Welker's just another decent player that Tom Brady made wealthy and we'll be able to overtake Denver.

Welker isn't a difference maker for the Broncos at all, IMO.

Personally, I think he provides a lot more flexibility and options in 3W sets and more as far as personnel on the field.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:31 PM
How does that stupid fuck get to voice his opinion on anything?

displacedinMN
03-13-2013, 03:31 PM
maybe next next year

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 03:31 PM
I don't see Welker eclipsing 100+ catches a season in Denver.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:32 PM
You don't need elite CB's while playing Denver.


Cover 2 and pray Manning shits the bed.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:33 PM
Jamie Dukes ‏@jamiedukes

Let me see if I got this right. Mike Wallace is worth more than Wes Welker and Anquan Bolden combined.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:33 PM
5000 yards and 50 touchdowns.

Probably more.

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 03:33 PM
Oh wow ... I think he's a total difference matter in the clutch, much better than the safety blanket that Stokley was for Manning. Welker is a legit option and gives them 3 lethal options, not counting Tamme.

A "better Stokely" is a difference maker?

Again, with Manning, the Broncos are already a better team than KC and will kick our ass. What they do in the playoffs beyond that is immaterial to me since I, y'know, don't give a wet fart about the Broncos.

Without Manning, the Chiefs can (and will) beat the Broncos, Welker or no Welker.

From a Chiefs standpoint, Welker just doesn't matter.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:34 PM
I don't see Welker eclipsing 100+ catches a season in Denver.

Hope he doesn't... means someone got hurt.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:35 PM
Eh, Welker doesn't scare me.

Either Manning is healthy all season - in which case the Broncos were going to wax us anyway, or he isn't, in which case Welker's just another decent player that Tom Brady made wealthy and we'll be able to overtake Denver.

Welker isn't a difference maker for the Broncos at all, IMO.

Welker is more dangerous, more of a difference maker than any receiver in this league, and the Pats just gave that up on the heels of a Tom Brady restructure so they could keep him.

Now Peyton has the most dangerous slot receiver to ever play the game, in a pass first offense with the most cerebral QB to ever play the game.

If you aren't threatened by that, you're smoking something.

Do you remember what Manning and Stokley did early on? Now Imagine a player 10 times better taking Stokley's role.

Welker gave the Patriots a chance to match that and they didn't? Hmm.

I don't think he did. Supposedly they offered him 2 years 10 million, and he walked.

I should have clarified, I mean fucked in the post season.

If they can't resign Arrington (who is best utilized in the slot), they are screwed in the post season. As an example, look to the Ravens game in the playoffs when they had to play Arrington outside instead of in the slot on 3W sets.


Well, if you put it that way, its less debatable.

It all depends on what happens with the Patriots slot situation, do they sign Amendola or Edelman? If they sign edelman, they are far less fucked.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 03:35 PM
Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider

Donnie Avery's three-year Chiefs deal is worth $8.55 million and includes a $1.5 million signing bonus, per a league source.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:36 PM
A "better Stokely" is a difference maker?

Again, with Manning, the Broncos are already a better team than KC and will kick our ass. What they do in the playoffs beyond that is immaterial to me since I, y'know, don't give a wet fart about the Broncos.

Without Manning, the Chiefs can (and will) beat the Broncos, Welker or no Welker.

From a Chiefs standpoint, Welker just doesn't matter.

Hahaha.

Dude, we have Brandon Flowers and they have Thomas, Decker and now Welker.

Unless we find a way to get 2 more starting quality corners, we aren't gonna beat Denver this year or next.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Welker is more dangerous, more of a difference maker than any receiver in this league,
.



Wow, you completely lost me there.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider

Donnie Avery's three-year Chiefs deal is worth $8.55 million and includes a $1.5 million signing bonus, per a league source.

That's a little better, but Avery still sucks.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 03:37 PM
So in 2 WR sets......Decker goes to the bench?

mcaj22
03-13-2013, 03:38 PM
they will sit in 3 WR sets all game

and our precious Mike Devito wont see a snap

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:38 PM
Denver now needs to focus on ... adding needed talent to the Secondary.

It's great to have all these weapons, but they need to be able to stop the talented teams from throwing deep successfully when it matters most.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:38 PM
[/B]


He did and it was funny

Yes it was.

I don't see Welker eclipsing 100+ catches a season in Denver.

I don't either.

Jamie Dukes ‏@jamiedukes

Let me see if I got this right. Mike Wallace is worth more than Wes Welker and Anquan Bolden combined.

Riiiiiiight?

Clyde Frog
03-13-2013, 03:38 PM
Way to get another receiver when your secondary sucks ass.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:39 PM
Wow, you completely lost me there.

Name a receiver with 3 super bowl rings with 5 seasons of 100 or more catches.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:40 PM
Name a receiver with 3 super bowl rings with 5 seasons of 100 or more catches.

Does Welker even have one Super Bowl ring?

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:40 PM
Name a receiver with 3 super bowl rings with 5 seasons of 100 or more catches.


errr...Jerry Rice?

Sure as hell isn't Wes Welker, since he has zero SB rings.

Sucks to lose him though.

GoChargers
03-13-2013, 03:41 PM
Way to get another receiver when your secondary sucks ass.

This. That money would have been better spent on Antoine Winfield.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:41 PM
errr...Jerry Rice?

Sure as hell isn't Wes Welker, since he has zero SB rings.

Sucks to lose him though.

Thanks, I thought Welker came serveral years after their SB championships.

bowener
03-13-2013, 03:42 PM
You don't need elite CB's while playing Denver.


Cover 2 and pray Manning shits the bed.

Or one hell of a pass rush...

WV
03-13-2013, 03:42 PM
At least we won't have to worry about the Donkeys running the ball anymore.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:42 PM
errr...Jerry Rice?

Sure as hell isn't Wes Welker, since he has zero SB rings.

Sucks to lose him though.

Yeah, you're right he doesn't have the rings, I just did a double take on that and thought "that's not right".

I don't think Jerry had 5 seasons of 100 catches though, and Jerry isn't in the NFL currently.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:42 PM
AND one hell of a pass rush...

Fixed

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 03:42 PM
Welker is more dangerous, more of a difference maker than any receiver in this league, and the Pats just gave that up on the heels of a Tom Brady restructure so they could keep him.


Just exactly what the fuck are you talking about?

Wes Welker is an overrated possession receiver. He's Davone Bess with an elite QB.

But hey, you're welcome to take him over Megatron, Green, Jones, Marshall....Bowe; whatever. The guy's decent, but he's not a world-beater.

The development of Demaryius Thomas will have a great impact on that offense than plugging in Wes Welker for Brandon Stokely.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:42 PM
I lol why people give a shit

we already knew we weren't giong to beat Denver

bowener
03-13-2013, 03:43 PM
they will sit in 3 WR sets all game

and our precious Mike Devito wont see a snap

He won't play NT? Poe as DE maybe?? Idfuckingknow

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:43 PM
dude Wes Welker is not overrated

he is always open

he runs amazing routes

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:43 PM
Or one hell of a pass rush...

You must not watch many Patriots games. The pass rush doesn't stop Welker at all.

We're going to need to COVER these guys, not hope we can pass rush against them.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:44 PM
Yeah, you're right he doesn't have the rings, I just did a double take on that and thought "that's not right".

I don't think Jerry had 5 seasons of 100 catches though, and Jerry isn't in the NFL currently.

I am not going to get into a Jerry vs. Welker argument, but Jerry played back when a WR got raped up and down the field.

Rice would have made his numbers even more amazing playing today.

I would be amazed if Welker could even come close to what he does now in that era.

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:44 PM
welker CLEARLY wanted to play with Manning / stick it to New England

this has nothing to do with anything other than that


This might be true. It's the water cooler talk here anyway.

:shrug:

Rudy lost the toss
03-13-2013, 03:44 PM
There is no reason they shouldn't make the Super Bowl next year. Fuck.

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 03:44 PM
Hahaha.

Dude, we have Brandon Flowers and they have Thomas, Decker and now Welker.

Unless we find a way to get 2 more starting quality corners, we aren't gonna beat Denver this year or next.

We can if they have Osweiler under center. Decker wasn't shit before Manning and he won't be much without him. Thomas was developing, but he won't be the monster he was last year without Manning.

With Manning, we were going to get our asses kicked with our without Wes Welker. Without him, the Broncos aren't that worrisome.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
I lol why people give a shit

we already knew we weren't giong to beat Denver

This.


We are just jealous.

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
Thanks, I thought Welker came serveral years after their SB championships.


Yeah. His first year with NE was 2007. Been to 2 SB games and 4 AFCCGs (losses to Jets and Ravens, plus the two that we won. No SB wins though. Unfortunately, he had a couple key drops in some of those games.

WV
03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
You must not watch many Patriots games. The pass rush doesn't stop Welker at all.

We're going to need to COVER these guys, not hope we can pass rush against them.

Wrong...unless it's a great one....pass rush doesn't stop Brady or Manning. Welker has nothing to do with it.

Rudy lost the toss
03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
One more reason to hate the Patriot way. Pioli was playing down Welker's role yesterday

DJ's left nut
03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
Name a receiver with 3 super bowl rings with 5 seasons of 100 or more catches.

Ah...so as it turns out, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I get it.

Carry on.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:45 PM
I guarantee you New England, at the very least, would have matched this

he was offended he gave them years of great production and was given the shaft

so he gave them the shaft right back

MagicHef
03-13-2013, 03:46 PM
Way to get another receiver when your secondary sucks ass.

?

Per PFF, Denver had the #5, #10, and #28 rated CBs last season. 3 starting quality CBs is pretty rare.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:46 PM
We can if they have Osweiler under center. Decker wasn't shit before Manning and he won't be much without him. Thomas was developing, but he won't be the monster he was last year without Manning.

With Manning, we were going to get our asses kicked with our without Wes Welker. Without him, the Broncos aren't that worrisome.

Denver is allowed to hold. Don't ever forget this.

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:47 PM
Yeah, you're right he doesn't have the rings, I just did a double take on that and thought "that's not right".

I don't think Jerry had 5 seasons of 100 catches though, and Jerry isn't in the NFL currently.


Yeah, he had "only" 4, plus another with 98 and another with 92.

But let's get real, we're not comparing Welker to Rice, right, because Rice is clearly and obviously the GOAT, and Welker ain't. He isn't even the greatest of right now (though I'd say he's certainly been top 10 and probably top 5 for some of these years).

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:48 PM
I am not going to get into a Jerry vs. Welker argument, but Jerry played back when a WR got raped up and down the field.

Rice would have made his numbers even more amazing playing today.

I would be amazed if Welker could even come close to what he does now in that era.


You're underrating Welker's smarts, toughness and consistency.

But that doesn't mean he's Rice. He ain't.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:48 PM
Just exactly what the fuck are you talking about?

Wes Welker is an overrated possession receiver. He's Davone Bess with an elite QB.

But hey, you're welcome to take him over Megatron, Green, Jones, Marshall....Bowe; whatever. The guy's decent, but he's not a world-beater.

The development of Demaryius Thomas will have a great impact on that offense than plugging in Wes Welker for Brandon Stokely.

Those guys you listed, aren't slot receivers. Those guys you listed, haven't caught 100 or more passes in a single season, 5 different times.

Welker has amazing hands compared to Davone Bess, and runs absolutely amazing routes, something Bess will never do.

I am not going to get into a Jerry vs. Welker argument, but Jerry played back when a WR got raped up and down the field.

Rice would have made his numbers even more amazing playing today.

I would be amazed if Welker could have made it during that era.

Except Rice didn't go across the middle nearly as much as Welker does.

The point is, Welker did it, Rice didn't. They played two different roles, and you're trying to underplay Welker's ability to MAKE a play.

In this NFL today, there is no other receiver in this league as dangerous as he has been with the Patriots.

Now he's with the Broncos, where Welker will NEVER see double coverage because there aren't enough defenders on the field to cover Decker and Thomas as is, now you add in the most dangerous slot receiver talent to play the game.

Yeah, its a big fucking deal.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:48 PM
You're underrating Welker's smarts, toughness and consistency.

But that doesn't mean he's Rice. He ain't.

Agree, to an extent.

Rudy lost the toss
03-13-2013, 03:51 PM
I lol why people give a shit

we already knew we weren't giong to beat Denver

Sorry I don't want to see the Broncos win a third SB in the time the chiefs haven't even won a playoff game

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:52 PM
Sorry I don't want to see the Broncos win a third SB in the time the chiefs haven't even won a playoff game

ok?

they are still way better than us and everyone wants to play with Peyton

what can we do?

cry?

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:52 PM
We can if they have Osweiler under center. Decker wasn't shit before Manning and he won't be much without him. Thomas was developing, but he won't be the monster he was last year without Manning.

With Manning, we were going to get our asses kicked with our without Wes Welker. Without him, the Broncos aren't that worrisome.then we should sign Pollard and set him loose after Peyton?

I guarantee you New England, at the very least, would have matched this

he was offended he gave them years of great production and was given the shaft

so he gave them the shaft right back
Wes brought the offer back to NE and they didn't match it.

They offered 2 years 10 million and wouldn't budge.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
I find that hard to believe.

Rudy lost the toss
03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
Pioli says NE has a plan. All is well patriot fans

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
ok?

they are still way better than us and everyone wants to play with Peyton

what can we do?

cry?




This, again.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
***** says NE has a plan. All is well patriot fans

LMAO

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
Wrong...unless it's a great one....pass rush doesn't stop Brady or Manning. Welker has nothing to do with it.

You don't get it.

Welker is the best receiver in the league when it comes to immediately getting open in a quick release, 3 step drop kind of offense. The same offense you play against a solid pass rush.

The same offense the Patriots used against every team since Welker joined them.

Remember the two games last year where Houston played the Patriots? Remember how embarassing the first game was? Houston tried to blitzkrieg Tom Brady. Welker's statline was like 73 catches for a thousand yards in that game.

Ah...so as it turns out, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I get it.

Carry on.

I made a mistake, it happens. Doesn't stop Welker from being the most dangerous receiver IN THIS LEAGUE TODAY, nor the only receiver to post 5 seasons with 100 catches or more, and still be in this league today, with the 2nd greatest QB to ever play.

I guarantee you New England, at the very least, would have matched this

he was offended he gave them years of great production and was given the shaft

so he gave them the shaft right back

That's not how it played out at all.

Yeah, he had "only" 4, plus another with 98 and another with 92.

But let's get real, we're not comparing Welker to Rice, right, because Rice is clearly and obviously the GOAT, and Welker ain't. He isn't even the greatest of right now (though I'd say he's certainly been top 10 and probably top 5 for some of these years).

No, Welker is not the GOAT, because Welker is a SLOT receiver.

He is the GOAT Slot Receiver, and that is undoubtedly true.

But what happens when you give the GOAT Slot Receiver a contract to play with the 2nd best QB of all time, in an offense where they already have TWO solid, top 10-15 receivers?

You just eliminated the pass rush against every team you face, before ever taking a snap.

That's what just happened.

Tamba who? Justin Houston who?

We're not getting sacks on Peyton this year.

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:54 PM
I haven't looked...the Pats really wouldn't match this? Link.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:54 PM
I find that hard to believe.

That's what is being reported.

Rudy lost the toss
03-13-2013, 03:54 PM
ok?

they are still way better than us and everyone wants to play with Peyton

what can we do?

cry?

We can hate the patriots! Except Tom Brady

Welcome to sports. People care. You can use that stupid rhetoric with anything

unnecessary drama
03-13-2013, 03:54 PM
We can hate the patriots! Except Tom Brady

Welcome to sports. People care. You can use that stupid rhetoric with anything

cry

Easy 6
03-13-2013, 03:55 PM
Welker is more dangerous, more of a difference maker than any receiver in this league...

No, he's not... if he was such a gamebreaker, the pats offense wouldnt have put up a measly 13 points against baltimore, even without gronk.

He's an excellent slot guy who's quick out of his breaks and has great hands... but without other players helping keep the heat off of him, he's easily accounted for and contained.

He's a great complementary player, but not a true difference maker who can line up anywhere and consistently win that battle.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:55 PM
Here's my thought on the Welker signing...

It doesn't fix their problems from 2012 and what ultimately cost them the playoff game vs BAL. Denver's defense has improved a lot over the last 2 seasons, but there's still work to be done - holes to be filled.

However, a big part of what makes Manning successful is having lots of weapons and working the slot receiver. Welker is an amazing addition as a slot receiver and while it wasn't a top priority, how do you pass on the opportunity at that price? It was a no-brainer signing to me and yes, Welker has a lot of wear and tear, but he's far from being old and washed up.

This signing makes their offense more lethal... which they'll need if when they get caught up in shoot outs, which they will in 2013 if they don't make a major upgrade in the secondary.

All in all ... not a lot to point at and laugh at with this signing.

Exoter175
03-13-2013, 03:56 PM
No, he's not... if he was such a gamebreaker, the pats offense wouldnt have put up a measly 13 points against baltimore, even without gronk.

He's an excellent slot guy who's quick out of his breaks and has great hands... but without other players helping keep the heat off of him, he's easily accounted for and contained.

He's a great complementary player, but not a true difference maker who can line up anywhere and consistently win that battle.


You're going to compare this guys' career, against a single game against Baltimore?

Get out.

Clyde Frog
03-13-2013, 03:57 PM
?

Per PFF, Denver had the #5, #10, and #28 rated CBs last season. 3 starting quality CBs is pretty rare.

PFF also says they looked amazing against the Ravens. Really stepped it up that game...

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:57 PM
Wrong...unless it's a great one....pass rush doesn't stop Brady or Manning. Welker has nothing to do with it.


Well, actually he does. He gets open so quick, is great at hot reads and is in such good sync with his QB, he goes a long way towards reducing the effectiveness of a blitz or very good pass rush.

notorious
03-13-2013, 03:57 PM
The best WR in the NFL doesn't settle for 12 million over 2 years.

Mile High Mania
03-13-2013, 03:58 PM
No, he's not... if he was such a gamebreaker, the pats offense wouldnt have put up a measly 13 points against baltimore, even without gronk.

He's an excellent slot guy who's quick out of his breaks and has great hands... but without other players helping keep the heat off of him, he's easily accounted for and contained.

He's a great complementary player, but not a true difference maker who can line up anywhere and consistently win that battle.

I think that's why he's a great difference maker. Recently, in NE with the injuries at TE - Welker was 'the man' in the passing game. He's not built to be "the man", he's built to be an amazing "other weapon" and that's exactly what he's set up to be in Denver with Thomas, Decker and Tamme. That is a nice 4-some in the passing game, one of the best going into 2013.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find 3 other teams with a better "4" in their passing attacks.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 03:58 PM
If I'm John Dorsey, I would have made some calls and tried to get Wes Welker.

Fuck Donnie Avery.

I would have no problem giving Wes a 2 year 14-15 million dollar deal.

Rudy lost the toss
03-13-2013, 03:58 PM
cry

Why do you cry when people say Brady is better than Manning? What can you do about it? They are both HOFers and better than what the chiefs have

Amnorix
03-13-2013, 03:58 PM
Wes brought the offer back to NE and they didn't match it.

They offered 2 years 10 million and wouldn't budge.


That seems amazing, and stupid, to me.