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Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:04 PM
@ArrowheadAddict: Dorsey: We feel very fortunate that Alex will be a member of the Chiefs franchise for years to come.

@ArrowheadAddict: Dorsey: Since the beginning of this process, we've always had our eye on Alex.

@ArrowheadAddict: Smith: I'm ready for this.

@ArrowheadAddict: Smith: I can't say how excited I am for it. Thankful for the opportunity.


I Agree with this tweet:

@Lance_THESPOKEN: Dorsey said the reason they signed Alex is because quote "He's shown he can play football at a very high level." WHEN????? #Chiefs




THE BEST ONE OF THEM ALL:

@Lance_THESPOKEN: Yes, Andy Reid just said they're gonna "work on getting Alex Smith in the Hall of Fame." Take it as you will, I didn't make it up. #Chiefs



They're already sold on Smith, way to keep your options open dick suckers:

@APdaveskretta: Andy Reid: "I'm going to tell you every position we try to create competition ... but I'll tell you, Alex is the starting QB" #Chiefs



Let me know when he's gone, I'm done with this shit organization.

@DannyParkins: Talked to #Chiefs GM John Dorsey away from the media and he says it's absolutely fair to say they view Alex Smith as longterm answer at QB.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 04:05 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/chiefslive.html

Dick Bull
03-13-2013, 04:06 PM
Holy freaking cow. Alex Smith has no idea who is on this team.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:06 PM
Alex you poor bastard, so will get the leftover Cassel hate.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:07 PM
Somebody just start asking Chase Daniels questions.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:07 PM
6-10 here we come. YESsssssssssssssssss

scott free
03-13-2013, 04:08 PM
Welcome to the blast furnace, Alex... you've just stepped into a very tough row to hoe.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 04:08 PM
I love how the poll on their site (the grade im giving the Alex Smith trade is..) doesn't give an "F" option

LMAO

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:09 PM
lol. NFL network was like we will go live to the alex smith presser and nothing. lol Joke franchise is a joke.

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:09 PM
Oh after 7 seasons he finally says this lol



@APdaveskretta: Alex Smith: "I made it very clear to the 49rs that I wanted to play. I wasn't ready to sit there and be a backup." #Chiefs

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:10 PM
Oh after 6 seasons he finally says this



@APdaveskretta: Alex Smith: "I made it very clear to the 49rs that I wanted to play. I wasn't ready to sit there and be a backup." #Chiefs

wont this be his 9th?

KCUnited
03-13-2013, 04:10 PM
@ArrowheadAddict: Dorsey: Since the beginning of this process, we've always had our eye on Alex.


**** this life.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

No surprise, but Reid says Smith is the starting QB. No competition with Daniel

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Chase pushed Drew Brees everyday.

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:11 PM
@bobfescoe: Reid: Alex is the starting qb #chiefs



It still hasn't sank in it yet. Fucking sick to my stomach

Douche Baggins
03-13-2013, 04:12 PM
says he WILL sing and dance at the appropriate time

saphojunkie
03-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Why does Andy Reid have so much confidence in Alex Smith? I mean, seriously. Let's not just be pithy and sarcastic. What do you suppose made Andy Reid honestly believe that a guy who had never thrown more than 18 touchdowns in a season will suddenly operate his offense at a "high level?"

I am just so confused why they have confidence in this guy.

Is it his intelligence? Is it ball security? Because Reid was the original "throw it 40 times a game" guy. I am really fascinated now.

theelusiveeightrop
03-13-2013, 04:12 PM
At least 3-13 will be an improvement.

Jerm
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
Dorsey is gonna skullfuck Teicher....

jd1020
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
I love how the poll on their site (the grade im giving the Alex Smith trade is..) doesn't give an "F" option

LMAO

I love how 53% give it an A.

Stad
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
Why are they asking questions about Matt fucking Cassel? i don't want to hear his name anymore until his ass is released.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
Alex brought a start of sourdough for the Chef.

Bugeater
03-13-2013, 04:13 PM
@bobfescoe: Reid: Alex is the starting qb #chiefs



It still hasn't sank in it yet. Fucking sick to my stomach
Of course he is.

xela510
03-13-2013, 04:14 PM
GO ALEX GO

Bugeater
03-13-2013, 04:14 PM
Why does Andy Reid have so much confidence in Alex Smith? I mean, seriously. Let's not just be pithy and sarcastic. What do you suppose made Andy Reid honestly believe that a guy who had never thrown more than 18 touchdowns in a season will suddenly operate his offense at a "high level?"

I am just so confused why they have confidence in this guy.

Is it his intelligence? Is it ball security? Because Reid was the original "throw it 40 times a game" guy. I am really fascinated now.
Because he was available?

saphojunkie
03-13-2013, 04:15 PM
Because he was available?

Man, fuck...I guess.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:15 PM
Shit I feel sorry for him. shit

jd1020
03-13-2013, 04:16 PM
Me thinks Dorsey is a little bit embarrassed about how much they gave up. Got a little touchy when asked about what they gave up for Alex fucking Smith.

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:16 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/a4ama5e6.jpg


Get use to this "Alex Smith" look. He seems to have already thrown an incomplete check down pass.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:16 PM
The fans that post on that kcchiefs chat board make me wanna punch them. lol How they dont fucking learn baffles me.

I guess the "true fan" just loves shit sandwhiches.

Ace Gunner
03-13-2013, 04:16 PM
boss de plane de plane
http://fourhorsementattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/chase.jpghttp://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/herve.jpg

notorious
03-13-2013, 04:17 PM
Wow.


The only news missing: Alex Smith's 5 year contract worth 11tybillion dollars.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:18 PM
turned that shit off when i heard thy are working on getting Smith into the hall of fame. fuck this regime already.

Dick Bull
03-13-2013, 04:18 PM
I just hope he plays well, because I can tell you as a person he sounds like a swarmy prick.

xela510
03-13-2013, 04:19 PM
Alex Smith HALL OF FAMER

notorious
03-13-2013, 04:20 PM
Shit I feel sorry for him. shit

I do, too.


But, he can go from garbage to hero if he wins ONE playoff game. That isn't exactly high standards.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 04:20 PM
@Lance_THESPOKEN: Dorsey said the reason they signed Alex is because quote "He's shown he can play football at a very high level." WHEN????? #Chiefs

The last regime said the exact same thing about Matt Cassel for four years.

Bugeater
03-13-2013, 04:21 PM
Wow.


The only news missing: Alex Smith's 5 year contract worth 11tybillion dollars.
That announcement comes on draft day.

ceebz
03-13-2013, 04:22 PM
I can't wait until they announce Smith's extension. I feel like I'm watching a bad movie where they're reenacting 2009.

WakkaWakka
03-13-2013, 04:24 PM
I feel like I've been through this before...

TribalElder
03-13-2013, 04:26 PM
Alex Smith tickets vs New Big Screen

Ready.... Go

notorious
03-13-2013, 04:26 PM
That announcement comes on draft day.

Might as well. This place will be on Defcon 1 anyway, we might as well meltdown all the way.

Dunerdr
03-13-2013, 04:27 PM
The fans that post on that kcchiefs chat board make me wanna punch them. lol How they dont ****ing learn baffles me.

I guess the "true fan" just loves shit sandwhiches.

We should flood that shit with cp realism and watch them cry.

WhawhaWhat
03-13-2013, 04:27 PM
Holy freaking cow. Alex Smith has no idea who is on this team.

The team was 2-14, and basically terrible for the last 5+ years. They are irrelevant to everyone outside of Kansas City.

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:27 PM
That announcement comes on draft day.

Way to make it worse prick

Fish
03-13-2013, 04:30 PM
Holy freaking cow. Alex Smith has no idea who is on this team.

But...... KC was definitely his choice among franchises he wanted to go to.

Riiiiight...

What a fucking mess..

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:31 PM
We should flood that shit with cp realism and watch them cry.

i did i posted, wrong smith :( and i got alot of Geno smith sux! lol Well, hey so does Alex Smith. lol

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 04:32 PM
i did i posted, wrong smith :( and i got alot of Geno smith sux! lol Well, hey so does Alex Smith. lol

I saw that. I got in there too, but the rest of my messages were screened out.

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 04:32 PM
Dorsey is gonna skull**** Teicher....

He acted like a total Dick. Jesus. :doh!:

Al Bundy
03-13-2013, 04:32 PM
Sorry guys.

Scorp
03-13-2013, 04:34 PM
Christ almighty.............this franchise is dooooooooooomed FOREVER!

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:34 PM
@nflnetwork: The new starting QB for the @kcchiefs will join us in moments.

Ebolapox
03-13-2013, 04:35 PM
I'll say this--they HAVE A LOT TO FUCKING PROVE. they're starting out the new regime about five feet underground--to make headway, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING HOLE, yeah? how do you do that? by BEING RIGHT ABOUT THE QB, GENO SMITH AND EVERY FUCKING QB BUSTING HARD, and WINNING PLAYOFF GAMES (a fucking super bowl would be nice).

I'm done being patient watching the same fucking shit every fucking year. you do things the wrong fucking way EVERY GODDAMNED TIME, you GET NO FUCKING SLACK.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:36 PM
IN case it was missed, Matt Cassel is on vacation.

WakkaWakka
03-13-2013, 04:37 PM
“@DannyParkins: Talked to #Chiefs GM John Dorsey away from the media and he says it's absolutely fair to say they view Alex Smith as longterm answer at QB.”

**** me

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 04:37 PM
Because he was available?

Yep, that's what I was thinking. Didn't like anyone on the current roster. Didn't like any rookies. Thought he was the best available via FA or trades to help win right now.

With the WCO you don't have to have the most physical talent in the world.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 04:37 PM
I'll say this--they HAVE A LOT TO ****ING PROVE. they're starting out the new regime about five feet underground--to make headway, GET OUT OF THE ****ING HOLE, yeah? how do you do that? by BEING RIGHT ABOUT THE QB, GENO SMITH AND EVERY ****ING QB BUSTING HARD, and WINNING PLAYOFF GAMES (a ****ing super bowl would be nice).

I'm done being patient watching the same ****ing shit every ****ing year. you do things the wrong ****ing way EVERY GODDAMNED TIME, you GET NO ****ING SLACK.

Reading this is like listening to radio edited gangster rap

BossChief
03-13-2013, 04:37 PM
Haha.

They are sticking the knife in Piolis side and he is feeling it. Lashed back at Rich eisen saying "that was unneeded" or something after they moved on to the logical point of when to release Cassel.

Pioli almost cried and was basically pleading for the Chiefs to release him.

Scorp
03-13-2013, 04:38 PM
IN case it was missed, Matt Cassel is on vacation.

Well if it makes you feel any better Matt Casshole 2.0 is our starting QB. :banghead:

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:38 PM
I'll say this--they HAVE A LOT TO ****ING PROVE. they're starting out the new regime about five feet underground--to make headway, GET OUT OF THE ****ING HOLE, yeah? how do you do that? by BEING RIGHT ABOUT THE QB, GENO SMITH AND EVERY ****ING QB BUSTING HARD, and WINNING PLAYOFF GAMES (a ****ing super bowl would be nice).

I'm done being patient watching the same ****ing shit every ****ing year. you do things the wrong ****ing way EVERY GODDAMNED TIME, you GET NO ****ING SLACK.

*chest bump*



I know that feel bro

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 04:38 PM
The last regime said the exact same thing about Matt Cassel for four years.

This move could stink. But do you really equate this regime with Pioli's?

Discuss Thrower
03-13-2013, 04:38 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/a4ama5e6.jpg


Get use to this "Alex Smith" look. He seems to have already thrown an incomplete check down pass.

Dorsey looks just like Pioli.. wow.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 04:38 PM
@DannyParkins: Talked to #Chiefs GM John Dorsey away from the media and he says it's absolutely fair to say they view Alex Smith as longterm answer at QB.

**** me

Eh. WTF else is he gonna say?

"Alex Smith? Pfffff, nah. This dude is just a stop gap. Wait till next season guys, we're gonna get a REAL Qb"

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 04:39 PM
**** this life.

And we all wanted this guy (Dorsey) to be GM.

You just don't know who you are getting, cause you really don't know the PERSON. But really, I think this was a Andy Reid pick.

notorious
03-13-2013, 04:39 PM
@DannyParkins: Talked to #Chiefs GM John Dorsey away from the media and he says it's absolutely fair to say they view Alex Smith as longterm answer at QB.

**** me

Oh JFC.


Fuck


Fuck

fuck

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 04:40 PM
This move could stink. But do you really equate this regime with *****'s?

Lol. Can you tell me what they've done DIFFERENTLY?

Please, by all means, explain to us what this regime has done that Pioli didn't do in '09.

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 04:40 PM
The fans that post on that kcchiefs chat board make me wanna punch them. lol How they dont ****ing learn baffles me.

I guess the "true fan" just loves shit sandwhiches.

9 out of 10 of the FB page thinks he is the best thing since Montana also.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:40 PM
This move could stink. But do you really equate this regime with *****'s?

lol, only time will tell, but it can get way fast!!!!!!!!

I this franchise has not got better imo. We have made sideways moves so far.

What did we do to get better? Coaching maybe, cause i dunno lol

Scorp
03-13-2013, 04:40 PM
Eh. WTF else is he gonna say?



"Alex Smith will compete with Geno Smith for the starting Quarterback position!"

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 04:41 PM
This move could stink. But do you really equate this regime with *****'s?

Pioli didn't win a championship with his hand-picked QB, and neither will Reid.

So unless you get a hard-on for mediocrity, with the occasional one-and-done curbstomping in the playoffs, there's no difference.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 04:42 PM
Eh. WTF else is he gonna say?

"Alex Smith? Pfffff, nah. This dude is just a stop gap. Wait till next season guys, we're gonna get a REAL Qb"

Ya. I think Alex is the bride that gets thrown in the volcano. After a year of eating "clean" meal worms.

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 04:43 PM
But...... KC was definitely his choice among franchises he wanted to go to.

Riiiiight...

What a ****ing mess..

Why not? Didn't take a genius to see Cassel wasn't the answer and as QB's go I would think most of them would want to play for him.
The media tagged him here all along I'm sure it wasn't hard for him to say yea, I could see myself there.

oldandslow
03-13-2013, 04:43 PM
"Alex Smith will compete with Geno Smith for the starting Quarterback position!"

Reid obviously doesn't like G. Smith. I don't know why it is so hard for some of you to get that.

As far as A. Smith and the future...If he plays well he gets a new contract, if not he does not.

A. Smith, for this year, was, in Reid's mind the ONLY option.

Live with it or don't. Won't change a thing.

We are gonna end up winning with Reid/Dorsey. How far, I don't know. But it is certainly better than the alternative.

Simplicity
03-13-2013, 04:44 PM
holy ****! Alex Smith hasn't even played a down for the Chiefs and people are jumping of bridges...

Bugeater
03-13-2013, 04:46 PM
@DannyParkins: Talked to #Chiefs GM John Dorsey away from the media and he says it's absolutely fair to say they view Alex Smith as longterm answer at QB.

**** me
$63M contract coming up...

Stad
03-13-2013, 04:47 PM
holy ****! Alex Smith hasn't even played a down for the Chiefs and people are jumping of bridges...

ROFL, i know. Give the guy a chance at least ffs.

oldandslow
03-13-2013, 04:47 PM
holy ****! Alex Smith hasn't even played a down for the Chiefs and people are jumping of bridges...

They should all apply for jobs in the NFL - cause they sure know more than anyone besides the Harbaughs and Brother Bill up in NE.

Guru
03-13-2013, 04:47 PM
JFC :facepalm::banghead:

This guy isn't even close to the long term answer.

guess I just have to hope I am completely wrong about Smith now because we are obviously stuck with him now. they are handling this as if it is Cassel 2.0. Only thing left to do is to set up the 5 year 64 million contract.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:48 PM
holy ****! Alex Smith hasn't even played a down for the Chiefs and people are jumping of bridges...

Because some of us have seen this script a few times.


The Chiefs are trying to get to the Superbowl in a way that has the worst percentages to get there. Trying to win with a retread qb is the hardest way to do it. can it be done sure, but its the exception to the rule!!

Its an easy thing to see if you step back and look. The qb was bench as soon as his old team seen the window cracked and never looked back. It happened like that for a reason!

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:48 PM
@bobfescoe: Dorsey told me he considered 20 qbs both college and pro before picking smith #chiefs



Does he throw check downs? Nope only long balls

Pass

Does he throw check downs? No he likes to throw deep.

Pass

Does he throw check downs? Maybe once or twice a game, usually 10 yards or longer he's a real chain mover

Pass

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:49 PM
They should all apply for jobs in the NFL - cause they sure know more than anyone besides the Harbaughs and Brother Bill up in NE.

Onee of the Harbaughs couldnt bench him fast enough! lol thanks for bringing that up! Proves the point.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 04:50 PM
Lol. Can you tell me what they've done DIFFERENTLY?

Please, by all means, explain to us what this regime has done that ***** didn't do in '09.

Hired a well respected head coach with years of NFL head coaching experience including several playoff appearances. Brought in a starting QB from a team unrelated to anyone in the regime. Resigned some of the better players on the team instead of trading them away. Pursued free agents aggressively.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:52 PM
Hired a well respected head coach with years of NFL head coaching experience including several playoff appearances. Brought in a starting QB from a team unrelated to anyone in the regime. Resigned some of the better players on the team instead of trading them away. Pursued free agents aggressively.

Is this the same head coach who had a team that called itself a "Dynasty" and whn it blew up in his face got fired. This the same guy?

Buckweath
03-13-2013, 04:52 PM
I absolutely hate Alex Smith and I desperately needed hope at the Qb position.Ill wait after the draft to see if the chiefs pull something brilliant or if I can root for another team. Ive had more than enough of this mediocrity.

Messier
03-13-2013, 04:52 PM
$63M contract coming up...

You have every right to grip if they do that. It would make little sense. They absolutely should wait a full year before worrying about Smiths contract.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 04:54 PM
Is this the same head coach who had a team that called itself a "Dynasty" and whn it blew up in his face got fired. This the same guy?

The same HC whose only success came in the years he started a QB - wait for it - he drafted with the 2nd overall pick?

Ebolapox
03-13-2013, 04:54 PM
Reading this is like listening to radio edited gangster rap

make no mistake--I'm pissed like a TON of other chiefs fans. it's not just fun tailgating at this point, I've poured my heart and soul into this team for the majority of my life. I just turned 30 years old--I've seen three playoff wins, one for every decade of my life (and the last one, sadly, was barely after I had turned ten years old). I've watched us try to fit the square peg into the round hole for over 25 years. it's just getting depressing now--they really don't know how dangerously close they are to losing a whole freaking generation to this team---and how many of us that should have DECADES rooting for this team will just give up and slink away (and stop rooting for them). they're at the edge of a precipice, and they freaking gave themselves a nice shove by trading for alex smith--and if they're not right, man... I can't even imagine.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:54 PM
The same HC whose only success came in the years he started a QB - wait for it - he drafted with the 2nd overall pick?

bazinga!!

patteeu
03-13-2013, 04:55 PM
Is this the same head coach who had a team that called itself a "Dynasty" and whn it blew up in his face got fired. This the same guy?

I don't know anything about what they called themselves. He's the guy that's about as unlike Todd Haley as you can get though and detoxing was looking for differences.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 04:55 PM
The same HC whose only success came in the years he started a QB - wait for it - he drafted with the 2nd overall pick?

A QB he identified as the best option among many, just like he did with Alex Smith apparently.

Messier
03-13-2013, 04:56 PM
The same HC whose only success came in the years he started a QB - wait for it - he drafted with the 2nd overall pick?

Yep. Guess there was no McNabb is this draft.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 04:56 PM
I absolutely hate Alex Smith and I desperately needed hope at the Qb position.Ill wait after the draft to see if the chiefs pull something brilliant or if I can root for another team. Ive had more than enough of this mediocrity.

Take all the others with you, please.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 04:57 PM
I don't know anything about what they called themselves. He's the guy that's about as unlike Todd Haley as you can get though and detoxing was looking for differences.

Well, now you do!!!!

Inmem58
03-13-2013, 04:57 PM
Take all the others with you, please.

And kill all others like you please. You're the reason why we suck every season.

ChiTown
03-13-2013, 04:58 PM
And kill all others like you please. You're the reason why we suck every season.

STFU

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Reid obviously doesn't like G. Smith. I don't know why it is so hard for some of you to get that.

As far as A. Smith and the future...If he plays well he gets a new contract, if not he does not.

A. Smith, for this year, was, in Reid's mind the ONLY option.

Live with it or don't. Won't change a thing.

We are gonna end up winning with Reid/Dorsey. How far, I don't know. But it is certainly better than the alternative.

holy ****! Alex Smith hasn't even played a down for the Chiefs and people are jumping of bridges...


Yeah, maybe we should sit here with our thumbs up our asses and completely ignore the first 7 years of Alex Smith's career. Maybe we shouldn't, you know, think for ourselves and evaluate the situation ourselves. It's much easier to just be told this is gonna work and go with it, amirite?

"But, Detoxing...this is a new coaching staff, a fresh start for Alex Smith! It could work out for the better!"

Uh huh. That's exactly what niner fans had been saying since the kid was drafted. New staff comes, new staff goes, new staff comes, new staff goes. The only constant.....Alex "regime Killer" Smith.

"But, but Detoxing, didn't you see the way he played for the first half of last season before he was BENCHED??"

:rolleyes:

I don't know what to tell you people other than...in the words of Htismaque....."Bhaaaaa"

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Yep. Guess there was no McNabb is this draft.

That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex fucking Smith.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 04:58 PM
Well, now you do!!!!

Very important information. Thanks for sharing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-13-2013, 04:59 PM
This franchise hates its fans; sadly, few know they are despised.

Simplicity
03-13-2013, 05:00 PM
Onee of the Harbaughs couldnt bench him fast enough! lol thanks for bringing that up! Proves the point.

We was leading the league in QBs last year before his injury and led the team to 6-2. The reason he didn't come back is because Kaepernick got a chance and was extremely good. Like unbelieveable.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 05:01 PM
Very important information. Thanks for sharing.

ITs very important, they had all the talent in the world and should have been winning instead, they sucked really bad and he got fired.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 05:01 PM
The whole allure of the Andy Reid signing has been nullified.

We were excited about him being the HC because he had a history of developing quarterbacks and had a lot of success with McNabb and a similar player to McNabb is available at our pick.

He is a bad game day coach
Poor play caller
Poor cap manager
Poor clock manager

His ability to develop a franchise QB in KC is the only thing that made him attractive.

Now, we have Alex Smith.

At this point, **** Andy Reid.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:01 PM
Hired a well respected head coach with years of NFL head coaching experience including several playoff appearances. Brought in a starting QB from a team unrelated to anyone in the regime. Resigned some of the better players on the team instead of trading them away. Pursued free agents aggressively.

Pioli Resigned some of our better players too.

Pioli was aggressive with 2nd/3rd Tier F/A's too.

Pioli Brought in a respected Coach with SB/Playoff experience too.

The similarities far outweigh the differences.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 05:02 PM
Yeah, maybe we should sit here with our thumbs up our asses and completely ignore the first 7 years of Alex Smith's career. Maybe we shouldn't, you know, think for ourselves and evaluate the situation ourselves. It's much easier to just be told this is gonna work and go with it, amirite?

"But, Detoxing...this is a new coaching staff, a fresh start for Alex Smith! It could work out for the better!"

Uh huh. That's exactly what niner fans had been saying since the kid was drafted. New staff comes, new staff goes, new staff comes, new staff goes. The only constant.....Alex "regime Killer" Smith.

"But, but Detoxing, didn't you see the way he played for the first half of last season before he was BENCHED??"

:rolleyes:

I don't know what to tell you people other than...in the words of Htismaque....."Bhaaaaa"

Of course we should ignore his first 7 years in the league.

While we're at it, we should ignore that the Niners tried to replace him with Peyton Manning, when that didn't happen, they drafted his replacement, and within a season and a half, had lost his job to a 2nd year player.

They've been dying to get rid of the guy for years.

Messier
03-13-2013, 05:02 PM
Most here aren't going to give Smith a chance. When he does something well, credit will be given elsewhere, and any mistake will be talked about endlessly. If Smith sucks, he'll suck and we'll know this season. I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll get the Cassel treatment. Smith won't get four, or even three years to prove himself. I think if he's mediocre or worse, Reid and Dorsey will at least start window shopping for QBs after this season.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 05:03 PM
And kill all others like you please. You're the reason why we suck every season.

Yeah, the Chiefs never sucked in their history before 2009.

:facepalm:

What a bunch of fucking crybabies.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:05 PM
That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex ****ing Smith.

Top 15? In a 32 team league? Setting the bar super high aren't you?

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 05:06 PM
We was leading the league in QBs last year before his injury and led the team to 6-2. The reason he didn't come back is because Kaepernick got a chance and was extremely good. Like unbelieveable.

Yeah for a guy who played a whole one game. Lol yeah ok

Anyways I'm out lakers game about to start.

Messier
03-13-2013, 05:07 PM
***** Resigned some of our better players too.

***** was aggressive with 2nd/3rd Tier F/A's too.

***** Brought in a respected Coach with SB/Playoff experience too.

The similarities far outweigh the differences.

The biggest crime of SP was refusing to provide legit competition for Cassel, and drafting horribly. We'll have to wait awhile to call Dorsey SP II.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:08 PM
We was leading the league in QBs last year before his injury and led the team to 6-2. The reason he didn't come back is because Kaepernick got a chance and was extremely good. Like unbelieveable.

Did you follow the 9ers at all last season? Because there was a lot of talk about how their offense wasn't explosive enough....Hence the move to start Kaepernick.

It's not like Kaepernick set the world on fire in his first game.....CLEARLY....Clear as a San Diego Day (it's beautiful out here today) the 9ers were looking to dump the guy.

And at their first opportunity....they did.

But yeah, you're right....i should have a ton of faith in the guy.

Obviously he has EARNED that respect right? I should be able to look at his production and see that he's earned that respect, right?

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 05:08 PM
That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex ****ing Smith.

Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.

Messier
03-13-2013, 05:09 PM
That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex ****ing Smith.

I'll agree if they turn into stud QBs with little time. This trade was a mistake.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 05:09 PM
We was leading the league in QBs last year before his injury and led the team to 6-2. The reason he didn't come back is because Kaepernick got a chance and was extremely good. Like unbelieveable.

Led the team to 6-2?

Holy Christ, how dreadfully incorrect.

In 4 of those 8 games, the defense gave up a COMBINED 12 points.

In the 2 losses, the offense mustered a COMBINED 16 points. Against the 16th and 31st ranked defenses in the league.

Average yards passing in those eight games?

200.4 yards.

Average yards rushing in those eight games?

168.6 yards


Alex Smith didn't "lead" shit.

His running game and defense did.

DTLB58
03-13-2013, 05:09 PM
@DannyParkins: When I asked Alex Smith about a contract extension he said he has an agent for that but "in a way I feel like I need to earn that." #Chiefs

FWIW

Discuss Thrower
03-13-2013, 05:10 PM
Most here aren't going to give Smith a chance. When he does something well, credit will be given elsewhere, and any mistake will be talked about endlessly. If Smith sucks, he'll suck and we'll know this season. I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll get the Cassel treatment. Smith won't get four, or even three years to prove himself. I think if he's mediocre or worse, Reid and Dorsey will at least start window shopping for QBs after this season.

Why, so they can pick up Matt Flynn? Matt Moore?

The decision to trade for Alex Smith has set the franchise back at least 5 years. 7-8 more considering the team will need to replace every player worth a damn already on the roster.

Fruit Ninja
03-13-2013, 05:10 PM
Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.

But it would be fun to at least find out. It would at least be an attempt at trying for something special.

Douche Baggins
03-13-2013, 05:10 PM
Summary of press conference

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patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:12 PM
***** Resigned some of our better players too.

Who?

***** was aggressive with 2nd/3rd Tier F/A's too.

No. Pioli was bargain shopping in 2009. He wasn't aggressive and he wasn't accused of overspending on solid FAs. There's almost no similarity.

***** Brought in a respected Coach with SB/Playoff experience too.

You're conveniently ignoring the "head" part of head coach. The difference in experience between Todd Haley and Andy Reid is greater than the difference in experience between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 05:12 PM
Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.

You know what a rookie franchise QB provides?

Hope.

Sure, he may turn out to be another JaMarcus Russell.

Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:12 PM
The biggest crime of SP was refusing to provide legit competition for Cassel, and drafting horribly. We'll have to wait awhile to call Dorsey SP II.

Nah, im not going to label Dorsey SPII. But that wasn't how this debate came about. I was told that i should at least wait for them to fail before losing my faith.

I'm merely pointing out that they haven't done anything (ok...they signed Bowe, I'll give them that) to give me any faith to begin with.

Alex Smith is suppose to give me hope for next season?

LMAO.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:15 PM
Who?



No. ***** was bargain shopping in 2009. He wasn't aggressive and he wasn't accused of overspending on solid FAs. There's almost no similarity.



You're conveniently ignoring the "head" part of head coach. The difference in experience between Todd Haley and Andy Reid is greater than the difference in experience between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel.

Who? Uhm....Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson & Tamba Hali?

Yeah, Pioli bargained shopped.....that's what Dorsey is doing now....Picking up 2nd tier F/A. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind the signings that he has made....but make no mistake....these are 2nd/3rd tier Quality guys.

Yeah, i conveniently left out some details....but so did you....so what.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:15 PM
Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.

Watch out. It's OK to compare Mike DeVito to a washed up Kelly Gregg even though they play different positions, but it's not OK to compare Geno Smith to any failed black QB, no matter how many non-racial similarities there are. It's safer to stick with comparisons to Tim Couch, David Carr, and Ryan Leaf.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 05:16 PM
Who?



No. ***** was bargain shopping in 2009. He wasn't aggressive and he wasn't accused of overspending on solid FAs. There's almost no similarity.



You're conveniently ignoring the "head" part of head coach. The difference in experience between Todd Haley and Andy Reid is greater than the difference in experience between Alex Smith and Matt Cassel.


Who?

Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles.

bevischief
03-13-2013, 05:16 PM
That's to be determined.

If Geno Smith or Matt Barkley are top 15 QBs in the next 3 years......this trade was a huge failure. Especially if Alex Smith grades out as......Alex ****ing Smith.

This.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 05:17 PM
Top 15? In a 32 team league? Setting the bar super high aren't you?

Dude....that's above average after 2-3 years in the league.

dirk digler
03-13-2013, 05:17 PM
You know what a rookie franchise QB provides?

Hope.

Sure, he may turn out to be another JaMarcus Russell.

Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.

BINGO

Messier
03-13-2013, 05:18 PM
Why, so they can pick up Matt Flynn? Matt Moore?

The decision to trade for Alex Smith has set the franchise back at least 5 years. 7-8 more considering the team will need to replace every player worth a damn already on the roster.

This is fairly simple. Reid and Dorsey see something in Alex Smith that a lot of people here do not. We'll see who's right this year.

No team is ever set back 5 or more years unless they draft poorly over and over. The NFl is built to never be bad for long unless you almost try to be bad.

-King-
03-13-2013, 05:20 PM
Exactly. What ticks me off is most here act like they know Geno IS the savior when we don't know that. For all we know he could be another JaMarcus Russell.

This. Or he could end up being benched 4 times in his career like Alex Smith for subpar QBs like Trent Dilfer, JT Osullivan, and Sean Hill.

Good thing we traded for Ale...


FUCK!

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:20 PM
Watch out. It's OK to compare Mike DeVito to a washed up Kelly Gregg even though they play different positions, but it's not OK to compare Geno Smith to any failed black QB, no matter how many non-racial similarities there are. It's safer to stick with comparisons to Tim Couch, David Carr, and Ryan Leaf.

wth are you even talking about.

No one here KNOWS Geno Smith, or even acts like they KNOW Geno Smith is going to be a stud. If that's what you think, then the point has completely sailed over your head.

Whooooosh! Look up, because the point is somewhere way up there.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 05:20 PM
@DannyParkins: When I asked Alex Smith about a contract extension he said he has an agent for that but "in a way I feel like I need to earn that." #Chiefs

FWIW

Interesting.

I totally agree.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 05:21 PM
This. Or he could end up being benched 4 times in his career like Alex Smith for subpar QBs like Trent Dilfer, JT Osullivan, and Sean Hill.

Good thing we traded for Ale...


FUCK!

LMAO

TEX
03-13-2013, 05:21 PM
Of course we should ignore his first 7 years in the league.

While we're at it, we should ignore that the Niners tried to replace him with Peyton Manning, when that didn't happen, they drafted his replacement, and within a season and a half, had lost his job to a 2nd year player.

They've been dying to get rid of the guy for years.

The way that everyone was trying to get rid of Rich Gannon? Give the guy a chance

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:21 PM
Who? Uhm....Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson & Tamba Hali?

Nope. Not in 2009.

Yeah, ***** bargained shopped.....that's what Dorsey is doing now....Picking up 2nd tier F/A. Don't get me wrong, i don't mind the signings that he has made....but make no mistake....these are 2nd/3rd tier Quality guys.

There's a difference between big name guys and top tier guys. No matter what tier these guys are coming from, they aren't bargains. You don't find bargains on day 1 of free agency. That's why Pioli didn't aggressively pursue free agents on day 1. He waited until he could pick over the crumbs later in the process. That's the difference I pointed out. A pretty big difference, IMO.

Yeah, i conveniently left out some details....but so did you....so what.

No, I didn't leave out any detail. You asked for differences and I gave them to you. In your effort to refute so you can maintain your self-delusion about how similar the two regimes have been, you disingenuously ignored the actual difference I pointed out.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:21 PM
This is fairly simple. Reid and Dorsey see something in Alex Smith that a lot of people here do not.


Said every Coach who came to SF during Smith's tenure.

Regime Killer. We're replacing one with another.

BossChief
03-13-2013, 05:23 PM
wth are you even talking about.

No one here KNOWS Geno Smith, or even acts like they KNOW Geno Smith is going to be a stud. If that's what you think, then the point has completely sailed over your head.

Whooooosh! Look up, because the point is somewhere way up there.

Exactly.

Geno + Andy Reid = 50% chance at franchise QB for 15 years.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 05:23 PM
Ried proved that he can coach up QBs. This, and Alexs play when coached properly make this move interesting. Simple.

I wanted Geno as the next guy but he's as uncertain at this point as Alex.

We gave up too much for him. That sucks.
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something cooler
03-13-2013, 05:24 PM
The whole allure of the Andy Reid signing has been nullified.

We were excited about him being the HC because he had a history of developing quarterbacks and had a lot of success with McNabb and a similar player to McNabb is available at our pick.

He is a bad game day coach
Poor play caller
Poor cap manager
Poor clock manager

His ability to develop a franchise QB in KC is the only thing that made him attractive.

Now, we have Alex Smith.

At this point, **** Andy Reid.

Fuck you go root for the colts.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:25 PM
wth are you even talking about.

No one here KNOWS Geno Smith, or even acts like they KNOW Geno Smith is going to be a stud. If that's what you think, then the point has completely sailed over your head.

Whooooosh! Look up, because the point is somewhere way up there.

In another thread, people were accusing someone of racism because he compared Geno Smith to Akili Smith. Since DTLB58 used a DaMarcus Russell comparison, I decided to warn him before the racism accusations started up again. Apparently it went over *your* head.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 05:25 PM
Ried proved that he can coach up QBs. This, and Alexs play when coached properly make this move interesting. Simple.

I wanted Geno as the next guy but he's as uncertain at this point as Alex.

We gave up too much for him. That sucks.
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No, Reid showed that he could be successful with the 2nd overall pick.

Do a search of my posts. There's one that shows how piss-poor the QB play has been under Reid when you take McNabb out of the equation.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 05:25 PM
Ried proved that he can coach up QBs. This, and Alexs play when coached properly make this move interesting. Simple.

I wanted Geno as the next guy but he's as uncertain at this point as Alex.

We gave up too much for him. That sucks.
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That's bullshit.

Frosty
03-13-2013, 05:26 PM
They should all apply for jobs in the NFL - cause they sure know more than anyone besides the Harbaughs and Brother Bill up in NE.

Let me guess - you said the exact same thing when people here bashed the trade for Cassel? "You should get a job in the NFL if you think you know more than the Executive of the Year"

Well, we've seen this movie before and know how it ends. Some of us wanted a glimmer of hope at QB but instead we get ASs.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Who?

Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali and Jamaal Charles.

Nope. We're talking about differences between the way this regime is starting out and the way Pioli started out in 2009. None of those guys were re-signed in that first year.

bevischief
03-13-2013, 05:26 PM
I am mad like most of you. But I am watching to see how this right now looking train wreck is going.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:27 PM
Nope. Not in 2009.



There's a difference between big name guys and top tier guys. No matter what tier these guys are coming from, they aren't bargains. You don't find bargains on day 1 of free agency. That's why ***** didn't aggressively pursue free agents on day 1. He waited until he could pick over the crumbs later in the process. That's the difference I pointed out. A pretty big difference, IMO.



No, I didn't leave out any detail. You asked for differences and I gave them to you. In your effort to refute so you can maintain your self-delusion about how similar the two regimes have been, you disingenuously ignored the actual difference I pointed out.

Yeah, you did leave out details. No need to play this game, so save it for someone else.

"Hey, at least it he traded for a QB from ANOTHER team. I mean, he still traded a high 2nd round pick for an unproven Back up QB Castoff....BUT IT'S FROM ANOTHER TEAM! SO DIFFERENT"

And no shit he didn't resign them in 2009. FFS, their contracts weren't up. Very, very weak arguments you have here.

Messier
03-13-2013, 05:27 PM
Said every Coach who came to SF during Smith's tenure.

Regime Killer. We're replacing one with another.

Yeah, it was Smith that made Singletary a bad coach.

How do you get regime killer? The past two years with Smith starting in 2011, and I guess you could say they were set for a big fall last year before Smith went down, but it sure seemed like they were rolling.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:27 PM
Nope. We're talking about differences between the way this regime is starting out and the way ***** started out in 2009. None of those guys were re-signed in that first year.

No.

Fucking.

Shit.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:28 PM
Dude....that's above average after 2-3 years in the league.

I don't think we can say the Chiefs made a mistake by failing to draft an above average QB, unless Alex Smith ends up not being above average, and even then it will be a minor mistake. If Geno Smith turns into a franchise QB, then I think it's a mistake even if Alex Smith rises to the same level just because of the age difference.

crossbow
03-13-2013, 05:28 PM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

No surprise, but Reid says Smith is the starting QB. No competition with Daniel

Wait! Haven't we seen this before?

Go into the season with a close-minded attitude. Shoe horn "your guy" into the starting position because the ego demands it. Who the hell negociated that Smith deal?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCOqv7ACFquwexyc8vDtW95x-COpg2wSK03QaPDpbrG34xq7ktFw

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:29 PM
Yeah, it was Smith that made Singletary a bad coach.

How do you get regime killer? The past two years with Smith starting in 2011, and I guess you could say they were set for a big fall last year before Smith went down, but it sure seemed like they were rolling.

How do i get Regime Killer?

How many coaches and GM's were fired during his tenure?

This is simple shit. Bad QB's get Coaches fired. Good QB's get coaches paid.

How many OC's did Matt Cassel burn through? How about Alex Smith?

Deberg_1990
03-13-2013, 05:29 PM
So does A. Smith go into the Hall as a Chief or Niner?
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Guru
03-13-2013, 05:29 PM
Led the team to 6-2?

Holy Christ, how dreadfully incorrect.

In 4 of those 8 games, the defense gave up a COMBINED 12 points.

In the 2 losses, the offense mustered a COMBINED 16 points. Against the 16th and 31st ranked defenses in the league.

Average yards passing in those eight games?

200.4 yards.

Average yards rushing in those eight games?

168.6 yards


Alex Smith didn't "lead" ****.

His running game and defense did.

afuckingmen

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 05:29 PM
Nope. We're talking about differences between the way this regime is starting out and the way ***** started out in 2009. None of those guys were re-signed in that first year.

We didn't have shit for FAs that first year. Your argument is stupid.

The Rick
03-13-2013, 05:29 PM
Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.

I wonder if 49er fans said the same thing about Steve Young when the 49ers traded a second rounder to Tampa Bay for him after a couple of unimpressive seasons...

beer bacon
03-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Most here aren't going to give Smith a chance. When he does something well, credit will be given elsewhere, and any mistake will be talked about endlessly. If Smith sucks, he'll suck and we'll know this season. I could be wrong, but I don't think we'll get the Cassel treatment. Smith won't get four, or even three years to prove himself. I think if he's mediocre or worse, Reid and Dorsey will at least start window shopping for QBs after this season.

I'm not giving him a chance because thinking we will do shit with him at QB is ignorant of history. You win Super Bowls by drafting your own guy and developing him into a franchise QB that can win post season games for you with his arm. That's the only blue print for winning Super Bowls. For the last 30 years the Chiefs have refused to draft and develop their own QBs. All the Chiefs do is trade for QBs other teams are willing to give up, and no team is willing to give up a franchise QB. At best a QB like Alex Smith gets you to the playoffs, where he loses to a team with one of the few elite QBs in the NFL.

We're going no where until we start drafting our own QBs and making them our starters. We have to keep doing this until we find the next Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Just keep doing it. It may take us a decade to find our guy, but when we do, we're set for a while. The longer we put it off, the farther away we are from winning another Super Bowl.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Said every Coach who came to SF during Smith's tenure.

Regime Killer. We're replacing one with another.

LMAO

What a fucking bunch of horseshit.

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Hmm.....sound familar.

In 2009: Don Banks of Sports Illustrated called the Chiefs the "big winners" of the first weekend of NFL free agency.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Let me guess - you said the exact same thing when people here bashed the trade for Cassel? "You should get a job in the NFL if you think you know more than the Executive of the Year"

Well, we've seen this movie before and know how it ends. Some of us wanted a glimmer of hope at QB but instead we get ASs.

In the next theater over, the movie where a team drafts a 1st round QB who busts is playing over and over.

Hope is available to you if you want to embrace it.

saphojunkie
03-13-2013, 05:30 PM
Ried proved that he can coach up QBs. This, and Alexs play when coached properly make this move interesting. Simple.

I wanted Geno as the next guy but he's as uncertain at this point as Alex.

We gave up too much for him. That sucks.
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Geno Smith is 100x MORE uncertain than Alex Smith. And that's exactly why we all wanted him.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Pestilence
03-13-2013, 05:31 PM
I wonder if 49er fans said the same thing about Steve Young when the 49ers traded a second rounder to Tampa Bay for him after a couple of unimpressive seasons...

Because 2 = 8.....correct?

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:32 PM
I don't think we can say the Chiefs made a mistake by failing to draft an above average QB, unless Alex Smith ends up not being above average, and even then it will be a minor mistake. If Geno Smith turns into a franchise QB, then I think it's a mistake even if Alex Smith rises to the same level just because of the age difference.

Alex Smith has been above average for exactly half a season.

See, this is why people telling me to have "hope" is comical.

People want us "crybabies" to ignore 7 years of Alex Smith's career in favor of half a season.....half a season in which he was very mediocre and eventually got benched.

That's insane.

Messier
03-13-2013, 05:32 PM
Wait! Haven't we seen this before?

Go into the season with a close-minded attitude. Shoe horn "your guy" into the starting position because the ego demands it. Who the hell negociated that Smith deal?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCOqv7ACFquwexyc8vDtW95x-COpg2wSK03QaPDpbrG34xq7ktFw

You want him to say the QB is up for grabs? SP use to always say every spot is an open competition. Guess that was a lie. I would absolutely hope the QB they possibility are giving up two twos for is the unquestioned starter right now.

Detoxing
03-13-2013, 05:33 PM
LMAO

What a ****ing bunch of horseshit.

Yeah, i guess the coaching staffs in SF had a lot of success with Alex. Must be the reason they're still there, right.

Guru
03-13-2013, 05:33 PM
The way that everyone was trying to get rid of Rich Gannon? Give the guy a chanceWTF? Who here wanted to get rid of Rich Gannon. You have your history all fucked up man.

Tuckdaddy
03-13-2013, 05:35 PM
Some of you are really just plain idiotic. They have done nothing.but make this team better but you guys are still crying about the trade and Geno. We have an all world coaching staff that will win a lot more than they lose.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:35 PM
We didn't have shit for FAs that first year. Your argument is stupid.

Pioli cut Pollard which wasn't a huge deal, but he was clearly a starter-quality player for whom we got nothing. A bigger example of the difference between now and then was his Tony Gonzalez trade. Pioli was shedding our better players while Reid/Dorsey are retaining them.

It's a different approach because the beginning of the Reid/Dorsey regime isn't really that similar to the beginning of the Pioli regime.

LTL
03-13-2013, 05:36 PM
I wonder if 49er fans said the same thing about Steve Young when the 49ers traded a second rounder to Tampa Bay for him after a couple of unimpressive seasons...

Not really a good example. Young started 19 games , barely over a season before Tampa bay gave up on him. Smith has started 75. young was still somewhat unknown, Smith isn't.

PGM
03-13-2013, 05:36 PM
Wow. They are really high on him.

dirk digler
03-13-2013, 05:37 PM
I wonder if 49er fans said the same thing about Steve Young when the 49ers traded a second rounder to Tampa Bay for him after a couple of unimpressive seasons...

Actually Smith's last 2 seasons have been his best and he still sucks and got benched

beer bacon
03-13-2013, 05:37 PM
Some of you are really just plain idiotic. They have done nothing.but make this team better but you guys are still crying about the trade and Geno. We have an all world coaching staff that will win a lot more than they lose.

We won two games. I don't care about getting better. I care about winning a Super Bowl. We aren't going to win a Super Bowl with Alex Smith as our QB.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:38 PM
Yeah, you did leave out details. No need to play this game, so save it for someone else.

"Hey, at least it he traded for a QB from ANOTHER team. I mean, he still traded a high 2nd round pick for an unproven Back up QB Castoff....BUT IT'S FROM ANOTHER TEAM! SO DIFFERENT"

And no shit he didn't resign them in 2009. FFS, their contracts weren't up. Very, very weak arguments you have here.

Good lord. I didn't leave out details because I was pointing out differences. That's all that was relevant to my argument. You said they were the same. That was obviously wrong even though there are always going to be some similarities.

You're the one who specified 2009, not me.

philfree
03-13-2013, 05:39 PM
Wow. They are really high on him.

Watching the press conference just now it looked to me like there were three guys sitting there knowing this was an unpopular decision.

Frosty
03-13-2013, 05:39 PM
Actually Smith's last 2 seasons have been his best and he still sucks and got benched

Yup. ASs isn't good enough for a coach that is actively trying to win a SB but he's good enough for us!

B14ckmon
03-13-2013, 05:39 PM
I'm really happy for you guys.

patteeu
03-13-2013, 05:40 PM
No.

****ing.

Shit.

Yeah, I know. It was a mistake for you to bring them up since it had nothing to do with the argument.

RunKC
03-13-2013, 05:41 PM
I hope Alex Smith throws 25 TD's and gets us a playoff victory this year so people will just STFU for two fucking seconds.

PGM
03-13-2013, 05:42 PM
I'm really happy for you guys.

Trollololololololo

rabblerouser
03-13-2013, 05:42 PM
You know what a rookie franchise QB provides?

Hope.

Sure, he may turn out to be another JaMarcus Russell.

Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.

Whoa, Alex Smith is NOT the same as Scatterarm J-Marc; in fact, if anything...he's the opposite.

PGM
03-13-2013, 05:42 PM
I hope Alex Smith throws 25 TD's and gets us a playoff victory this year so people will just STFU for two fucking seconds.

27-7

KC Tattoo
03-13-2013, 05:43 PM
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Discuss Thrower
03-13-2013, 05:43 PM
I hope Alex Smith throws 25 TD's and gets us a playoff victory this year so people will just STFU for two ****ing seconds.

Even in this ideal scenario that season will inevitably be followed up with a postseasonless 7-9 and 5-11, so what's the point?

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 05:43 PM
Yeah, i guess the coaching staffs in SF had a lot of success with Alex. Must be the reason they're still there, right.

You're just talking out of your ass.

Mike Nolan was a bad head coach, regardless of the QB. Mike Singletary had NO business as a head coach.

JFC.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 05:44 PM
No, Reid showed that he could be successful with the 2nd overall pick.

Do a search of my posts. There's one that shows how piss-poor the QB play has been under Reid when you take McNabb out of the equation.

Alex played and won games and was short of SB. Even though his play was conservative or "game manager" he made the big play when needed. He didn't shit the bed like Cassel when managing games. What makes you so sure that he's going to suck so bad?

He sucks? Sure, we'll draft one. We know we have a coach who will do it. He overpaid for Alex and this makes me think he'll give up what it takes to draft one. He did it when he believed McCNab was the answer. He went after Namdi when he wanted a CB and gave Vick a chance even though no one wanted him.


I'll give Alex a year. Because he played good enough to earn it.

Drafting a 3rd or 4th round QB will be an icing in the cake.
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The Rick
03-13-2013, 05:45 PM
Not really a good example. Young started 19 games , barely over a season before Tampa bay gave up on him. Smith has started 75. young was still somewhat unknown, Smith isn't.
Not really trying to prove a point, just making an observation/asking the question.

I'm not as convinced that we know for a fact that we've seen the best out of Alex Smith. Some of you are...more power to you, especially if you end up being right.

I'd rather wait and see where Alex Smith, Geno, and Barkley measure up after the next 2-3 years before I decide what the right call was. That's just me though. But I am guessing there were some 49er fans that had to end up eating crow regarding Steve Young.

crossbow
03-13-2013, 05:50 PM
You want him to say the QB is up for grabs? SP use to always say every spot is an open competition. Guess that was a lie. I would absolutely hope the QB they possibility are giving up two twos for is the unquestioned starter right now.

That approach didn't work when MR. Shit-for-brains-Pioli considered the QB postion was set after trading for Matt Cassel. It resulted in him ignoring the postion in the draft and passing on genuine talent. It also, got him fired. I prefer there be real competition between our mediocre and crappy QBs. At least that way, the team gets to field the best guy for the job. This totaly stinks of a major contract extention before Smith does a damn thing. Hey if you are going to ruin your team then go all out and screw it up for the long haul.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 05:51 PM
@ArrowheadAddict: Dorsey: We feel very fortunate that Alex will be a member of the Chiefs franchise for years to come.

@ArrowheadAddict: Dorsey: Since the beginning of this process, we've always had our eye on Alex.

@ArrowheadAddict: Smith: I'm ready for this.

@ArrowheadAddict: Smith: I can't say how excited I am for it. Thankful for the opportunity.


I Agree with this tweet:

@Lance_THESPOKEN: Dorsey said the reason they signed Alex is because quote "He's shown he can play football at a very high level." WHEN????? #Chiefs




THE BEST ONE OF THEM ALL:

@Lance_THESPOKEN: Yes, Andy Reid just said they're gonna "work on getting Alex Smith in the Hall of Fame." Take it as you will, I didn't make it up. #Chiefs



They're already sold on Smith, way to keep your options open dick suckers:

@APdaveskretta: Andy Reid: "I'm going to tell you every position we try to create competition ... but I'll tell you, Alex is the starting QB" #Chiefs



Let me know when he's gone, I'm done with this shit organization.

@DannyParkins: Talked to #Chiefs GM John Dorsey away from the media and he says it's absolutely fair to say they view Alex Smith as longterm answer at QB.


This is hilarious.
You expected the general manager of an organization to flame his newest employee?!!

Ried benched and traded Donavan, he benched Vick, he traded Kolb, He will throw Alex under the bus if he needs to.

CP when things do not go according to their wishes.

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Discuss Thrower
03-13-2013, 05:52 PM
Some of you are really just plain idiotic. They have done nothing.but make this team better but you guys are still crying about the trade and Geno. We have an all world coaching staff that will win a lot more than they lose.

A D is always better than F but all are the same really.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 05:54 PM
We arguably got the best coach in the market (A proven one).

We arguably got the best GM candidate in the market.

If they make a move that CP does't like, they'll be nullified and those who support them will be labeled mediocre wiener buffers.

I hated the Alex trade at first, but after thinking about it, I would say it was a safe gamble. We have all the history to prove that the people managing the team will draft a first round QB if they have to.

B14ckmon
03-13-2013, 05:55 PM
Trollololololololo

How am I trolling? I like Alex Smith.

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03-13-2013, 06:01 PM
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Iowanian
03-13-2013, 06:06 PM
If coach would have put me in, I'd have been in the Hall of Fame

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Iowanian
03-13-2013, 06:08 PM
"Alex Smith Can throw a football over those mountains, It is Science"

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*Andy Reid after 6 months on the 810 endorsed cookie diet.

NJChiefsFan
03-13-2013, 06:21 PM
My first reaction hearing the comments about Smith and the future is to throw up. Reality is, no matter what their actual opinion is, they obviously weren't going to bash the guy. Supporting a guy you just gave up great(sigh) picks for is expected. My issue is that I don't see them getting a guy to push Alex, especially with the Daniel signing.

If there is one part of the Pioli regime I can not relive, it's the fact that there was never any hope or alternative in the cupboard. It's only been a few months, but I do worry about this, whether it's fair to the regime or not.

Mavericks Ace
03-13-2013, 06:24 PM
My first reaction hearing the comments about Smith and the future is to throw up. Reality is, no matter what their actual opinion is, they obviously weren't going to bash the guy. Supporting a guy you just gave up great(sigh) picks for is expected. My issue is that I don't see them getting a guy to push Alex, especially with the Daniel signing.

If there is one part of the ***** regime I can not relive, it's the fact that there was never any hope or alternative in the cupboard. It's only been a few months, but I do worry about this, whether it's fair to the regime or not.

I believe, that if they thought there was a qb in this draft that they were sold on, they wouldnt of signed Chase Daniels.

They clearly werent sold on geno, or barkley, and instead are going to take a one year flyer on alex smith, and re-evaluate.

rabblerouser
03-13-2013, 06:26 PM
Yeah, i guess the coaching staffs in SF had a lot of success with Alex. Must be the reason they're still there, right.

to be fair, Harbaugh took Singletary's 6-10 team to the NFC Championship the next year, so it would be pretty unfair to put that on Alex Smith.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 06:34 PM
My first reaction hearing the comments about Smith and the future is to throw up. Reality is, no matter what their actual opinion is, they obviously weren't going to bash the guy. Supporting a guy you just gave up great(sigh) picks for is expected. My issue is that I don't see them getting a guy to push Alex, especially with the Daniel signing.

If there is one part of the ***** regime I can not relive, it's the fact that there was never any hope or alternative in the cupboard. It's only been a few months, but I do worry about this, whether it's fair to the regime or not.

Draft is not over yet.

It's very likely they'll draft one.

AZORChiefFan
03-13-2013, 06:38 PM
I love how some people say Dorsey/Chiefs got the best QB available, why are people complaining? It's like going to a used car lot and the only car on the lot is a 1983 Yugo. Well I got the best car available.

Fritz88
03-13-2013, 06:38 PM
I love how some people say Dorsey/Chiefs got the best QB available, why are people complaining? It's like going to a used car lot and the only car on the lot is a 1983 Yugo. Well I got the best car available.

No shit?

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OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-13-2013, 06:44 PM
My daughter keeps bringing home these boyfriends that seem nice. In a few weeks she has bruises and blackeyes. Then I run them off.

She just brought home another nice guy. This one has a real hate of the Raiders. I'm going out of town for 4 months or so and hope for the best.

Mavericks Ace
03-13-2013, 06:44 PM
to be fair, Harbaugh took Singletary's 6-10 team to the NFC Championship the next year, so it would be pretty unfair to put that on Alex Smith.

off a LOCKOUT.......

Sorter
03-13-2013, 06:47 PM
My daughter keeps bringing home these boyfriends that seem nice. In a few weeks she has bruises and blackeyes. Then I run them off.

She just brought home another nice guy. This one has a real hate of the Raiders. I'm going out of town for 4 months or so and hope for the best.

What the fuck?

Get your shit together Dicky Ward

ChiefsCountry
03-13-2013, 06:56 PM
I'm proud to say I'm one of the 100 or so who voted D on kcchiefs.com

Ebolapox
03-13-2013, 06:57 PM
Ried proved that he can coach up QBs. This, and Alexs play when coached properly make this move interesting. Simple.

I wanted Geno as the next guy but he's as uncertain at this point as Alex.

We gave up too much for him. That sucks.
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yeah. because JIM FUCKING HARBAUGH isn't the best coach in the league (other than maybe sean payton or mike mccarthy) at getting the most from their QBs.

Andy Reid, sans donovan mcnabb, is VERY pedestrian with QBs

scott free
03-13-2013, 06:57 PM
You know what a rookie franchise QB provides?

Hope.

Sure, he may turn out to be another JaMarcus Russell.

Sadly, we already know that Alex Smith is.

Yeah wow i dont even...

I basically didnt post here for a week after the Axl signing, i had to try and make sense of it, get over it first... to put it lightly i was not and am not JIMPING.

But that comparison is THE biggest exaggeration i've seen in a long time, even worse than saying wes welker is the playmakingest playmaker currently playing.

Mavericks Ace
03-13-2013, 06:59 PM
I'm proud to say I'm one of the 100 or so who voted D on kcchiefs.com

Good for you. Enjoy being miserable this season.

i can see that.

You cant spell douche,

Without D!!!!

DaFace
03-13-2013, 07:00 PM
Yeah wow i dont even...

I basically didnt post here for a week after the Axl signing, i had to try and make sense of it, get over it first... to put it lightly i was not and am not JIMPING.

But that comparison is THE biggest exaggeration i've seen in a long time, even worse than saying wes welker is the playmakingest playmaker currently playing.

Hold on for the ride then. That's the opinion of 90% of people around here it seems (though I'm not one of them).

milkman
03-13-2013, 07:01 PM
Being a Chief fan is like being a fan of the movie 'Ishtar', and returning to watch. It again again at the theatre.

philfree
03-13-2013, 07:03 PM
I'm proud to say I'm one of the 100 or so who voted D on kcchiefs.com

I voted D. Frickin 85% of the fans there think its an A or B :huh:

keg in kc
03-13-2013, 07:05 PM
Think I'm glad I completely ignored the circle jerk pc.

DaFace
03-13-2013, 07:06 PM
Think I'm glad I completely ignored the circle jerk pc.

But you're just in time for the ongoing circle jerk around here. :p

scott free
03-13-2013, 07:08 PM
Hold on for the ride then. That's the opinion of 90% of people around here it seems (though I'm not one of them).

I hate this saying but its true - it is what it is - instead of a bad game manager, we now have a good one.

He's proven that under the right tutelage, on a team with solid talent on both sides, he can get you to the doorstep of the big game... i mean hey, thats a start.

Its too late to change teams, and i love football too much to stop caring... so all i can do is hope for the best.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:11 PM
People want us "crybabies" to ignore 7 years of Alex Smith's career in favor of half a season.....half a season in which he was very mediocre and eventually got benched.

That's insane.

I'd just like for you "crybabies" to stop acting as if your taints were ripped to shreds because the Chiefs traded for the best available option in 2013.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:14 PM
Think I'm glad I completely ignored the circle jerk pc.

I'd recommend watching it.

There are three disparate personalities on display, IMO.

1. Andy Reid, who's ridiculously confident.
2. Alex Smith, who seems to be uneasy and slightly uncomfortable, yet tries to pretend he has some sort of comfort level with Kansas City.
3. John Dorsey, who IMO, comes off as a hybrid between Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli.

It's interesting, to say the least.

BigRedChief
03-13-2013, 07:14 PM
Watching the press conference just now it looked to me like there were three guys sitting there knowing this was an unpopular decision.Only with some of the fan base. The vast majority of this site are against the trade but other Chiefs boards, the majority seem to be okay or fine with the deal.

But those other sites and fans will turn on him pretty quick if he stinks up the joint. If he comes in here and throws a good ball, doesn't turn it over and they win....... even this site will rejoice in being wrong.

Alex2125
03-13-2013, 07:15 PM
Alex Smith will win over 60% of the fan base by mid-season with his play. Then lose 90% of those fans in next years draft. Unless a Super Bowl is imminent, you'll always look for something better than Alex Smith.

philfree
03-13-2013, 07:17 PM
Only with some of the fan base. The vast majority of this site are against the trade but other Chiefs boards, the majority seem to be okay or fine with the deal.

But those other sites and fans will turn on him pretty quick if he stinks up the joint. If he comes in here and throws a good ball, doesn't turn it over and they win....... even this site will rejoice in being wrong.

Yeah I just voted D on KCChiefs.com on the fan poll their. 85% of the fans their thought it was an A or B.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:17 PM
Watching the press conference just now it looked to me like there were three guys sitting there knowing this was an unpopular decision.

I think you read their body language completely wrong.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of the fan base LOVES these moves, especially the move for Smith.

It's only 12-15 or so outspoken members of Chiefsplanet, that continually spam each and every thread with Jeno's Pizza and bring up Alex Smith's numbers prior to having an actual coaching staff in place, that are unhappy.

Venture anywhere else and you'll find plenty of happy campers.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 07:18 PM
I'd recommend watching it.

There are three disparate personalities on display, IMO.

1. Andy Reid, who's ridiculously confident.
2. Alex Smith, who seems to be uneasy and slightly uncomfortable, yet tries to pretend he has some sort of comfort level with Kansas City.
3. John Dorsey, who IMO, comes off as a hybrid between Carl Peterson and Scott *****.

It's interesting, to say the least.

I've only seen 1 press conference w/ Dorsey but he seems genuinely awkward when being interviewed/asked questions on the podium.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 07:18 PM
I think you read their body language completely wrong.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of the fan base LOVES these moves, especially the move for Smith.

It's only 12-15 or so outspoken members of Chiefsplanet, that continually spam each and every thread with Jeno's Pizza and bring up Alex Smith's numbers prior to having an actual coaching staff in place, that are unhappy.

Venture anywhere else and you'll find plenty of happy campers.

I had pizza for like the first time in 2 months last weekend.

It was most excellent.

DaFace
03-13-2013, 07:19 PM
I've only seen 1 press conference w/ Dorsey but he seems genuinely awkward when being interviewed/asked questions on the podium.

He's never had to do any sort of PC prior to this, so the awkwardness is understandable. As long as he knows how to evaluate talent, he can take a shit on the table at ever PC and I won't care.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:19 PM
If he comes in here and throws a good ball, doesn't turn it over and they win....... even this site will rejoice in being wrong.

And this is the truth of the matter: As much as people didn't love the Trent Green trade on Chiefsplanet (me included), once the team began to win and the offense soar, everyone forgot that the Chiefs could have drafted Drew Brees instead of trading for Trent Green.

It was only the failure of the front office to find average to above average defensive players that the fans turned on Carl and Dick.

BigRedChief
03-13-2013, 07:21 PM
Yeah I just voted D on KCChiefs.com on the fan poll their. 85% of the fans their thought it was an A or B.I wanted Geno too. I think we overpaid for Smith. But, I'm willing to wait till mid season before going full throat WTF on the Reid/Dorsey era.

Priest31kc
03-13-2013, 07:22 PM
I'm proud to say I'm one of the 100 or so who voted D on kcchiefs.com

Me too...

There are over 1,000 Chiefs fans out there that gave this trade an A...My god.

Cannibal
03-13-2013, 07:23 PM
I'd just like for you "crybabies" to stop acting as if your taints were ripped to shreds because the Chiefs traded for the best available option in 2013.

I'm with you this. Alex Smith could turn out to be the wrong move, but on the other hand, he might really excel under Andy Reid. I'm excited for the season and the new regime.

Everyone is acting little cunts and IS so annoying.

DaFace
03-13-2013, 07:23 PM
I wanted Geno too. I think we overpaid for Smith. But, I'm willing to wait till mid season before going full throat WTF on the Reid/Dorsey era.

What I find obnoxious is that that opinion is now being lumped in with people who supported Cassel last year as "true fans." Giving the new guys a chance to prove they know what they're doing <> assuming they will always know what's right forever.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:23 PM
I wanted Geno too. I think we overpaid for Smith. But, I'm willing to wait till mid season before going full throat WTF on the Reid/Dorsey era.

If the Chiefs win a single playoff game, the price of a 2nd round pick will have been worth it to this franchise and their fan base, especially if you consider there have been only three such wins in 42 years.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 07:23 PM
He's never had to do any sort of PC prior to this, so the awkwardness is understandable. As long as he knows how to evaluate talent, he can take a shit on the table at ever PC and I won't care.

Totally. I don't give a flying fuck as to how he interviews or comes off at press conferences if he does his job well.


Like you said, it just seems like clearly a guy with limited experience with the media, etc.

I know it would take me a few times before I'd be good at it. However, my press conferences would resemble Dana White's in all likelihood. "Fuck you Teicher, ask me a real fucking question not some fucking bullshit you stole from another website"

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 07:25 PM
I hate this saying but its true - it is what it is - instead of a bad game manager, we now have a good one.

He's proven that under the right tutelage, on a team with solid talent on both sides, he can get you to the doorstep of the big game... i mean hey, thats a start.

Its too late to change teams, and i love football too much to stop caring... so all i can do is hope for the best.

Q: What's the difference between a bad game manager and a good one?

A: A few wins, none of them in the playoffs.


A game manager is a game manager. Not good enough to put a team on his back and win a championship if necessary.

Alex Smith was surrounded by a Super Bowl roster, and had a miserable 3rd down conversion rate (sacked three times), costing his team a chance at a championship in 2011.

In 2012, surrounded by talent, he racked up a whopping 200 yards per game before losing his job to a 2nd year player who had no experience.

So, to recap...

He couldn't take the most (arguably) talented team in the league to the SB in 2011, and lost his job to a virtual rookie in 2012, but he's going to come to a 2-14 team and be a franchise QB?

I swear, the arguments for Alex Smith are damn near identical to the arguments made for Matt Cassel in 2009. And Cassel accomplished more in 2008 than Smith has in ANY of his 7 seasons.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:25 PM
Me too...

There are over 1,000 Chiefs fans out there that gave this trade an A...My god.

Yeah, you've proven your brilliance time after time on this site.

I'm sure you're right and everyone else is wrong.

BigRedChief
03-13-2013, 07:25 PM
Me too...

There are over 1,000 Chiefs fans out there that gave this trade an A...My god.This is all over the fan base. It's only this site that is already hostile to the new regime. Either the Planet lacks the vision to see Reed/Dorsey's game plan for victory or we are the only ones seeing the looming disaster and wasted years.

Cannibal
03-13-2013, 07:28 PM
Reid has the ability to the get most he can out of the QB position and he'll be calling the plays. I'm optimistic about how he'll use Smith's assets and minimize his weaknesses. The offense should be vastly improved which will also help the defense.

AlexSmithDynasty
03-13-2013, 07:29 PM
Q: What's the difference between a bad game manager and a good one?

A: A few wins, none of them in the playoffs.


A game manager is a game manager. Not good enough to put a team on his back and win a championship if necessary.

Alex Smith was surrounded by a Super Bowl roster, and had a miserable 3rd down conversion rate (sacked three times), costing his team a chance at a championship in 2011.

In 2012, surrounded by talent, he racked up a whopping 200 yards per game before losing his job to a 2nd year player who had no experience.

So, to recap...

He couldn't take the most (arguably) talented team in the league to the SB in 2011, and lost his job to a virtual rookie in 2012, but he's going to come to a 2-14 team and be a franchise QB?

I swear, the arguments for Alex Smith are damn near identical to the arguments made for Matt Cassel in 2009. And Cassel accomplished more in 2008 than Smith has in ANY of his 7 seasons.

I love how everyone throws around that the 49ers were the most talented team when they had nearly the exact same roster in 2009 and 2010, no one was calling them the most talented back then. They get a real coach and all of a sudden they're the most talented team in the league.

philfree
03-13-2013, 07:29 PM
Q: What's the difference between a bad game manager and a good one?

A: A few wins, none of them in the playoffs.


A game manager is a game manager. Not good enough to put a team on his back and win a championship if necessary.

Alex Smith was surrounded by a Super Bowl roster, and had a miserable 3rd down conversion rate (sacked three times), costing his team a chance at a championship in 2011.

In 2012, surrounded by talent, he racked up a whopping 200 yards per game before losing his job to a 2nd year player who had no experience.

So, to recap...

He couldn't take the most (arguably) talented team in the league to the SB in 2011, and lost his job to a virtual rookie in 2012, but he's going to come to a 2-14 team and be a franchise QB?

I swear, the arguments for Alex Smith are damn near identical to the arguments made for Matt Cassel in 2009. And Cassel accomplished more in 2008 than Smith has in ANY of his 7 seasons.

Uh Uh. Matt Cassel has never won a playoff game.:D

JASONSAUTO
03-13-2013, 07:31 PM
I think you read their body language completely wrong.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of the fan base LOVES these moves, especially the move for Smith.

It's only 12-15 or so outspoken members of Chiefsplanet, that continually spam each and every thread with Jeno's Pizza and bring up Alex Smith's numbers prior to having an actual coaching staff in place, that are unhappy.

Venture anywhere else and you'll find plenty of happy campers. guys numbers weren't that great WITH actual coaches
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KC Tattoo
03-13-2013, 07:31 PM
This is why I was hoping for the end of the world Dec 21 2012 but NO the fucking Mayans got it wrong douchebags. It was probably a joke on all of us 500 years ago Mayan trololoes. Fuckers.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 07:32 PM
This is all over the fan base. It's only this site that is already hostile to the new regime. Either the Planet lacks the vision to see Reed/Dorsey's game plan for victory or we are the only ones seeing the looming disaster and wasted years.

It's that 99% of this fanbase doesn't view perpetual mediocrity as "disaster" or "wasted years."

The 1% have seen this movie before, and know how it ends. It's like watching Titanic 29 times and on the 30th viewing, thinking the ship is going to be fine.

Or as Scott Wright put it, it's like stopping at $8,000 on Who Wants to be a Millionaire - sure, it's nice money, but it's not life-changing.

This fanbase is content with mediocrity.

philfree
03-13-2013, 07:33 PM
Reid has the ability to the get most he can out of the QB position and he'll be calling the plays. I'm optimistic about how he'll use Smith's assets and minimize his weaknesses. The offense should be vastly improved which will also help the defense.

That's what I'm counting on. Reid needs to get this offense to be able to throw TDs in the redzone.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:33 PM
I swear, the arguments for Alex Smith are damn near identical to the arguments made for Matt Cassel in 2009. And Cassel accomplished more in 2008 than Smith has in ANY of his 7 seasons.

The arguments may be identical but the two men are not.

Look, I understand and support your decision to cancel your season tickets. I would never in a million years tell someone how to spend their money and quite frankly, I'd give this regime at least a full year (if not two) before I plunked down any money, let alone, season tickets.

But Reid and Dorsey aren't Haley and Pioli. Reid has a proven track record of success. While he made the mistake of trying to take on personnel decisions and coach a football team, there's no denying the fact that when he was just a football coach, he was among the best in the game.

I don't believe that John Dorsey has been "Peter Principled" like Scott Pioli. It was obvious early on that Pioli was in over his head, from his free agency decisions to the draft to allowing his head coach to hire Clancy Pendergast, to allowing his head coach to fire Chan Gailey a week before the season and so on.

I don't know if John Dorsey will be a stellar GM or an average GM. But so far, he's re-signed his best players and franchised his LT. He's done a nice job of acquiring solid veterans in free agency and he identified the best available QB and traded for him. He's hasn't put on a show, hasn't made a spectacle of himself and has generally stayed out of the limelight.

I've seen Alex Smith over the years on many, many occasions. Sometimes he's been great, other times, not. But I watched him go into Denver on the last game of the season and knock the Broncos clear out of the playoffs. I've watched him "will" his team and up and down the field and I watched him quite a bit in 2011 and 2012.

What I've seen is NOTHING like Matt Cassel. The guy doesn't roll into a ball or take phantom sacks. If anything, he's need to throw the ball away (which he has improved upon). And it wasn't until 2011 that he finally had a decent offensive line in which to protect him, but he's never had DICK for wide receivers.

The bottom line is that the comparison between Cassel and Smith, regardless of the "stats", are absolutely invalid and inconsequential.

BigRedChief
03-13-2013, 07:34 PM
If the Chiefs win a single playoff game, the price of a 2nd round pick will have been worth it to this franchise and their fan base, especially if you consider there have been only three such wins in 42 years.IMHO, a playoff win would be worth more than a lousy 2nd rounder. 19 fucking years of waiting........ damn right thats worth a 2nd rounder.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:35 PM
It's that 99% of this fanbase doesn't view perpetual mediocrity as "disaster" or "wasted years."

The 1% have seen this movie before, and know how it ends. It's like watching Titanic 29 times and on the 30th viewing, thinking the ship is going to be fine.

Or as Scott Wright put it, it's like stopping at $8,000 on Who Wants to be a Millionaire - sure, it's nice money, but it's not life-changing.

This fanbase is content with mediocrity.

No, this fan base isn't content with mediocrity. Hell, this fan base hasn't SEEN mediocrity, well, EVER.

4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9, 2-14 is NOT mediocrity.

This team has either been very good or outright shit. For the past six seasons, this team has been outright shit. For the Chiefs to move forward and not lose their entire fan base, they've needed to make moves to at least reach mediocrity.

There's still free agency and the draft ahead. There will likely be cut downs in August as well. I expect this team to improve and if they "only" go 8-8 this season, I'll be stoked.

It sure beats the fucking hell out of 2-14.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2013, 07:35 PM
guys numbers weren't that get WITH actual coaches
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Exactly.

WITH Harbaugh and a SB-caliber surrounding cast, he averaged 200 yards per game. Thank God for the Buffalo game, or his numbers would be even more dismal.

25% of his starts last year resulted in under 150 yards passing.

Only one game over 240 yards.

Brutal.

Sorter
03-13-2013, 07:36 PM
The arguments may be identical but the two men are not.

Look, I understand and support your decision to cancel your season tickets. I would never in a million years tell someone how to spend their money

I mean, if he was spending his money on ugly hookers or really cheap alcohol, I'd probably tell him how to spend his money.


It would be for his own benefit though. :)

Douche Baggins
03-13-2013, 07:37 PM
But I watched him go into Denver on the last game of the season and knock the Broncos clear out of the playoffs. .

That's the myth of Alex Smith.

The 49ers ran for 200 yards in that game.

And even with the 49ers good line in 2011, he was sacked 44 times. He has a lot of Cassel-like characteristics.

O.city
03-13-2013, 07:38 PM
In his defense, the 9ers aren't a pass first pass happy team. Even with Kaep, they are a physical grind it out type offense, that with kaep got a really dynamic guy.

Pretty much the 90's Chiefs with better athletes on offense.

Douche Baggins
03-13-2013, 07:39 PM
he's never had DICK for wide receivers.

Michael Crabtree was almost twice as productive with Colin Kaepernick.

He's a huge hindrance to WRs.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:39 PM
That's the myth of Alex Smith.

The 49ers ran for 200 yards in that game.

And even with the 49ers good line in 2011, he was sacked 44 times. He has a lot of Cassel-like characteristics.

Not everyone can be Steve Young or Joe Montana.

That doesn't mean that he can't be an average or above average QB, which is something the Chiefs haven't had really since 2005.

JASONSAUTO
03-13-2013, 07:39 PM
Exactly.

WITH Harbaugh and a SB-caliber surrounding cast, he averaged 200 yards per game. Thank God for the Buffalo game, or his numbers would be even more dismal.

25% of his starts last year resulted in under 150 yards passing.

Only one game over 240 yards.

Brutal.
Cassel-like.

We are fucked.
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Fat Elvis
03-13-2013, 07:40 PM
If the Chiefs win a single playoff game, the price of a 2nd round pick will have been worth it to this franchise and their fan base, especially if you consider there have been only three such wins in 42 years.

Damn you and your logic/sense.

DaneMcCloud
03-13-2013, 07:41 PM
Michael Crabtree was almost twice as productive with Colin Kaepernick.

He's a huge hindrance to WRs.

And Crabtree was a lazy suckass for the 3.5 years prior.

It's clearly obvious that you didn't watch any of their games. Stats do not tell the whole story.

Regardless, anyone on the planet that argued that Alex Smith is more talented than Colin Kaepernick would be a fool.

Kaepernick is, right now, a very special player.

AlexSmithDynasty
03-13-2013, 07:41 PM
Exactly.

WITH Harbaugh and a SB-caliber surrounding cast, he averaged 200 yards per game. Thank God for the Buffalo game, or his numbers would be even more dismal.

25% of his starts last year resulted in under 150 yards passing.

Only one game over 240 yards.

Brutal.

He was on pace for 3500 yards 26 td and 10 int, if you wouldn't take that stat line on your team because its not enough yards you're a moron.

Douche Baggins
03-13-2013, 07:43 PM
N
That doesn't mean that he can't be an average or above average QB

That's exactly what he is.

That's why a lot of people here already hate his guts.

We gave up two 2nd-round picks for a guy who can't even throw the ball down the field.

Exciting!