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MatriculatingHank
03-14-2013, 02:59 PM
http://sportschatplace.com/football/pete/2013/march/14/nfl-news/

[U][U][U]If you are looking for a team to make a quick turnaround in 2013, look no further than the Kansas City Chiefs.

The disaster that was the Kansas City Chiefs 2012 season brought sweeping changes to the franchise in the form of a new Quarterback, General Manager and Head Coach. In a results oriented business like Professional Football, a team that is incapable of scoring points is not going to stay in tact for very long.

Andy Reid was wise to choose Kansas City as his landing sport after his brand of leadership had run its course in Philadelphia. The regime of former General Manager Scott ***** did not do a bad job in acquiring overall talent, it merely overestimated Matt Cassel’s talent level and took the bullet for that decision. This team is not devoid of outstanding players and the new management team in Kansas City is rapidly checking off the boxes of the tasks that need to be completed before this team can go back to the playoffs.

The first and most important statement that new General Manager John Dorsey made was to go out and find himself a competent Quarterback in Alex Smith. Smith’s detractors will say that his success was due to playing for a team that is stacked with talent and capable of running the ball any time, any where. A further examination of this assertion reveals that it is not as true as you would think.

Certainly, the 49ers were one of the best running teams in the NFL with the best Offensive LIne in the league and one of the toughest players in the league in Frank Gore to tote the rock. The receiving corps however, was never going to make anyone forget about the days of Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Brent Jones.

During his time in San Francisco, Alex Smith had Vernon Davis and not much more. From a physical standpoint, Alex Smith tends to pale in comparison to Colin Kaepernick just as most of the Quarterbacks in the league do not possess that sort of skill set. Much of the criticism of Smth’s ability as a Quarterback comes from the comparison to Kaepernick which is not fair.

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Alex Smith is poised to bring the same level of ability and production to the table in Kansas City. He will have a 1,500 yard rusher in Jamaal Charles to make the play action passing game more effective and he has a go to stud Wide Receiver in Dwayne Bowe who is a matchup nightmare for most Cornerbacks in the league.

On Bowe’s opposite side, the 6’4” 230 lb. Jonathan Baldwin will be a similar nightmare if he can continue to develop and improve from his 20 catch 325 yard performance in 2012. Dexter McCluster provides a nice compliment to those huge receivers in the slot and his 52 catches for 452 yards should improve with a more accurate Quarterback in Smith.

Clearly, there will be some changes in the Offensive Line this off season but the Chiefs locked up their most valuable piece when they applied the Franchise Tag to Left Tackle Branden Albert. The Chiefs also have the first pick in this year’s draft and can use it to shore up the line further with another franchise Left Tackle like Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel who can play the Right Tackle position while the team decides whether or not it wants to sign Albert to a long term deal. Eric Winston was released prior to the Free Agent signing period in a move designed to free up more cap space.

On the Defensive side of the ball, you cannot accuse Scott ***** of failing to address the interior line positions as he added first round picks like Tyson Jackson and Dontari Poe to Glen Dorsey to give the Chiefs a very expensive if underachieving Defensive front. Jackson in particular had a contract with extremely unfriendly cap terms and was convinced to restructure his deal in such a way that his cap number was reduced by about 10 Mil in 2013. Glen Dorsey was released altogether and former New York Jet Mike DeVito was brought in to fill his slot at a better number.

There is some talk that the Chiefs will use the first pick in the draft to add more talent to the Defensive Line in the form of Utah’s Star Lotulelei for Florida’s Sharrif Floyd. Adding one of those two prospects to a lineup of Jackson, Poe and DeVito makes this an extremely formidable unit.

Another area of the Defense that John Dorsey has done an outstanding job of addressing through Free Agency is the Cornerback position which was a problem in 2012. In a division with Peyton Manning and his frightening corps of receivers, talent at the Cornerback position is indispensable. By adding former Falcon Dunta Robinson and Dolphin Sean Smith to Brandon Flowers, the Chiefs now have a considerable investment in 3 very good Corners. They also have one very solid Safety in Eric Berry and will have an opportunity to find another in the draft as the position is an area of strength in 2013.

In the coming draft, the Chiefs do not have any extra choices but they do have the first or second picks in every round. With these picks, Kansas City will be able to find some value at Safety, Wide Receiver and Offensive Line.

Barring catastrophic injuries, there is no way that this will be a 2-14 team in 2013. If Smith plays up to his San Francisco numbers, this is a team that will contend for a playoff spot. The running game is solid, the receivers are big and fast, the Offensive Line is bound to improve and the Defense will benefit from some positional upgrades and an Offense that will have fewer 3 and outs. If you’re looking for an early candidate for Coach of the Year, Andy Reid is one of the best bets around.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 02:59 PM
We could win the division! /2012

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 03:00 PM
On Bowe’s opposite side, the 6’4” 230 lb. Jonathan Baldwin will be a similar nightmare if he can continue to develop and improve from his 20 catch 325 yard performance in 2012. Dexter McCluster provides a nice compliment to those huge receivers in the slot and his 52 catches for 452 yards should improve with a more accurate Quarterback in Smith.

LMAO

Amazing how clueless the media is.

Of course this is from "Sportschatplace," which is probably below Bleacher Report on the totem pole.

Hog Farmer
03-14-2013, 03:01 PM
With coaching and a QB alone we would have been 10-6

Now that we've signed Sean Smith we'll probably go 14-2 .

keg in kc
03-14-2013, 03:01 PM
This Smith detractor is a Smith detractor because of the price paid. He'd have been fine as a free agent. I think literally any QB who isn't Matt Cassel could get this team 8-8 (including probably half the rookies in this draft class, and I don't mean just the name or two at the top). And if that's your goal, well, a vet is a fine direction to go. But why in the world throw away 2nd round picks to do it for the kind of guy that you can get for nothing?

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-14-2013, 03:02 PM
So can Chase run the wildbrave/cat?

Easy 6
03-14-2013, 03:04 PM
We could win the division! /2012

Yeah, thats certainly a familiar refrain.

But things are quite different from the top down this time, so theres that.

KC Tattoo
03-14-2013, 03:16 PM
So can Chase run the wildbrave/cat?

I'm not a MU homer but I'd be happy when Chase takes over this season for injured Alex Smith. Maybe they will put in some sub plays for him to run.

Doesn't even look like Stanzi is going compete for the #2 job. They took ur job.

Mr. Laz
03-14-2013, 03:18 PM
we've just been CoMo'ed


:(

Fairplay
03-14-2013, 03:20 PM
9-7 or 16-0 one of the two.

Fish
03-14-2013, 03:21 PM
Yeah... we saw plenty of these last year too....

something cooler
03-14-2013, 03:22 PM
Alex Smith is gonna BEAST this year.

BigRedChief
03-14-2013, 03:25 PM
I predict many a posts about the lamestream media not knowing a damn thing about KC.

AdumbGuy
03-14-2013, 03:36 PM
We could win the division! /2012

This. The ***** bits are especially funny. What's the point that he's trying to make with this line?:

you cannot accuse Scott ***** of failing to address the interior line positions as he added first round picks like Tyson Jackson and Dontari Poe to Glen Dorsey to give the Chiefs a very expensive if underachieving Defensive front.

Expensive and underwhelming isn't usually what I think of when I think of somebody addressing a need.... shit... Alex Smith. carry on.

Dayze
03-14-2013, 03:40 PM
the only way we stand a chance at winning the division is if we see major improvement from Baldwin, and Avery can hit the ground running.

Smith is what he is - a manage/Cassel 2.0. If teams don't respect the pass, we're hosed.

Offense needs to step up IMO. Defense will be solid. not world beaters, but not push-overs either.

DaneMcCloud
03-14-2013, 03:41 PM
Yeah... we saw plenty of these last year too....

And there have been no changes from this time last year to now, so why would anyone expect anything to be different?

listopencil
03-14-2013, 03:44 PM
Meh. I think if Manning stays healthy then the Broncos win the division. I definitely expect KC to do better than last year though. Alex Smith is not a bad QB.

Mavericks Ace
03-14-2013, 03:46 PM
Meh. I think if Manning stays healthy then the Broncos win the division. I definitely expect KC to do better than last year though. Alex Smith is not a bad QB.

The most honest post i have seen here. Bravo.

I too think not only do the broncos win the division, but have to be favorites at this moment to represent the afc in the super bowl.

LOADED.

Easy 6
03-14-2013, 03:47 PM
Meh. I think if Manning stays healthy then the Broncos win the division. I definitely expect KC to do better than last year though. Alex Smith is not a bad QB.

I agree, we'll be the bridesmaid to you guys this year barring something radical happening.

Easy 6
03-14-2013, 03:48 PM
I predict many a posts about the lamestream media not knowing a damn thing about KC.

Please never use that word again.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 03:52 PM
I'm looking at the four teams and thinking the Raiders and the Chargers are going to be fighting it out for last place. OAK is in free fall and the SD line got even weaker, there's a good chance that Rivers is going to look like the worst QB in the division. I've seen Alex Smith play. I wouldn't be completely surprised if KC gets a Wild Card spot.

Pawnmower
03-14-2013, 03:55 PM
The most honest post i have seen here. Bravo.



oh hey look , Alex Smith Fan's got his lips and mouth on a Donkey's Cock

shocker

listopencil
03-14-2013, 03:59 PM
oh hey look , Alex Smith Fan's got his lips and mouth on a Donkey's Cock

shocker

I know a lot of you guys are pissed because you see KC's acquisition of Smith as eliminating the chance that you guys draft a QB first overall. That's understandable. He's a decent QB though. He's shown flashes of being an impact player, he's been able to make plays here and there. You guys really are distinctly better at the QB position with him instead of Mark Asshole.

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2013, 04:04 PM
I know a lot of you guys are pissed because you see KC's acquisition of Smith as eliminating the chance that you guys draft a QB first overall. That's understandable. He's a decent QB though. He's shown flashes of being an impact player, he's been able to make plays here and there. You guys really are distinctly better at the QB position with him instead of Mark Asshole.

No, we're pissed because anyone that knows anything about football knows you're not going to win a championship with Alex Smith. You don't win with game managers - the guy had an elite running game and elite defense and still didn't get the job done. He's certainly not going to do it here with inferior talent.

Decent isn't good enough in today's NFL, and better than bad does not equal good.

KCChiefsFan88
03-14-2013, 04:05 PM
Here comes 9-7 and True Fans JIMP everywhere!

Fairplay
03-14-2013, 04:06 PM
I wouldn't be completely surprised if KC gets a Wild Card spot.



I don't want to go to the playoffs if we are one and done.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 04:06 PM
You guys really are distinctly better at the QB position with him instead of Mark Asshole.

At his very best he was throwing for less than 190 yards per game.

That doesn't = > Mark Asshole.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 04:10 PM
No, we're pissed because anyone that knows anything about football knows you're not going to win a championship with Alex Smith. You don't win with game managers - the guy had an elite running game and elite defense and still didn't get the job done. He's certainly not going to do it here with inferior talent.

Decent isn't good enough in today's NFL, and better than bad does not equal good.

You're not going to win a championship with a rookie QB, either. I don't know. It's a move that made your team better.

Thig Lyfe
03-14-2013, 04:10 PM
sportschatplace.com

lol

KCChiefsFan88
03-14-2013, 04:12 PM
You're not going to win a championship with a rookie QB, either. I don't know. It's a move that made your team better.

I'd rather go 5-11 with a rookie QB like Geno Smith next season than go 9-7 with Alex Smith.

Geno Smith is a future franchise QB. Alex Smith is a future Steve Bono.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 04:15 PM
At his very best he was throwing for less than 190 yards per game.

That doesn't = > Mark Asshole.

His time with the 9ers was pretty rough on him. He was drafted in '05 while SF was trying to build a team. You stick Casshole in his place, and 9er fans kill him in the parking lot before he can be traded.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 04:18 PM
His time with the 9ers was pretty rough on him. He was drafted in '05 while SF was trying to build a team. You stick Casshole in his place, and 9er fans kill him in the parking lot before he can be traded.

It was so rough that guys like Shaun Hill outplayed him.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 04:18 PM
I'd rather go 5-11 with a rookie QB like Geno Smith next season than go 9-7 with Alex Smith.

Geno Smith is a future franchise QB. Alex Smith is a future Steve Bono.

Maybe, maybe not.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 04:24 PM
It was so rough that guys like Shaun Hill outplayed him.

Meh. Hill had substantially more experience than Smith at that point.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 04:25 PM
Meh. Hill had substantially more experience than Smith at that point.

Alex Smith was a 4-year veteran at that point.

And even when he returned for his fifth year, he wasn't playing at the level Hill did.

theelusiveeightrop
03-14-2013, 04:30 PM
Peter King approves this thread.

PRIMETIME211
03-14-2013, 04:31 PM
I'd rather go 5-11 with a rookie QB like Geno Smith next season than go 9-7 with Alex Smith.

Geno Smith is a future franchise QB. Alex Smith is a future Steve Bono.

Can't wait for geno smith to bust, anyone outside this board knows he is one of the worst QB prospects in the first round in a long time

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2013, 04:35 PM
You're not going to win a championship with a rookie QB, either. I don't know. It's a move that made your team better.

Not likely, but we'd at least be attempting to move in that direction. A rookie QB brings hope and promise for the future.

Trading for AS just means the trip takes even longer.

JASONSAUTO
03-14-2013, 04:48 PM
Yeah I'm not going to believe anything this guy thinks.

Pioli did NOT bring in Glenn Dorsey. We did NOT release Dorsey.
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O.city
03-14-2013, 04:50 PM
I'd hope we can have a huge turnaround. We should be able to atleast double our win total

DaneMcCloud
03-14-2013, 04:52 PM
It was so rough that guys like Shaun Hill outplayed him.

And where has Shaun Hill been since those glorious years?

DaneMcCloud
03-14-2013, 04:53 PM
I'd hope we can have a huge turnaround. We should be able to atleast double our win total

If the Chiefs fail to win at least 8 games in 2013, they will have been a major disappointment.

Mile High Mania
03-14-2013, 04:53 PM
This really isn't going out on a limb... the team totally underachieved thanks to a horrible QB and other issues. Give 'em a last place schedule, a few new players - several being quite nice actually - a weak division considering SD and OAK... and voila - you could see .500 at the very least. It's not crazy talk really.

KILLER_CLOWN
03-14-2013, 04:55 PM
All we have to have happen is Alex Smith turn into Tom Brady and we have a shot!

O.city
03-14-2013, 04:56 PM
With last years team, we probably should have won about 6 games. So sure we should probably win ATLEAST 8. I think we'll win more honestly.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 04:56 PM
And where has Shaun Hill been since those glorious years?

Shaun Hill sucks. And yet he was able to out-perform Alex Smith with the exact same players.

What does that say about Alex Smith?

O.city
03-14-2013, 04:57 PM
Alex Smith improved and Shaun Hill didn't?

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 04:59 PM
Alex Smith improved and Shaun Hill didn't?

I would say the team around Alex Smith improved more than he improved.

I mean shit, he threw 18 TD/12 INT two years before Harbaugh.

DaneMcCloud
03-14-2013, 05:00 PM
Shaun Hill sucks. And yet he was able to out-perform Alex Smith with the exact same players.

What does that say about Alex Smith?

It says that Shaun Hill was able to grasp Mike Martz offense better than Alex Smith, who at the time, was on his fourth offense in four years.

Mile High Mania
03-14-2013, 05:00 PM
Figure you can go 2-2 vs OAK/SD at the worst and you're getting rolled by DEN ... so that's 2-4 worst case or 3-3 best case in the division.

Home vs BAL / CIN / IND / ATL / CAR
Away vs CLE / PIT / BUF / NOS / TB

That's 7, possibly 8 wins... CIN, IND and CAR will present issues.

Chocolate Hog
03-14-2013, 05:02 PM
Shaun Hill sucks. And yet he was able to out-perform Alex Smith with the exact same players.

What does that say about Alex Smith?

Around the same time this was going on you were saying how Smith would be a nice addition in KC.


You're full of shit. Go directly to jail don't pass go.

Discuss Thrower
03-14-2013, 05:03 PM
Figure you can go 2-2 vs OAK/SD at the worst and you're getting rolled by DEN ... so that's 2-4 worst case or 3-3 best case in the division.

Home vs BAL / CIN / IND / ATL / CAR
Away vs CLE / PIT / BUF / NOS / TB

That's 7, possibly 8 wins... CIN, IND and CAR will present issues.

Wrong schedule.

O.city
03-14-2013, 05:03 PM
We're gonna kick the shit out of the Broncos this year in KC.

bevischief
03-14-2013, 05:05 PM
It says that Shaun Hill was able to grasp Mike Martz offense better than Alex Smith, who at the time, was on his fourth offense in four years.

Sounds like Cassel...:banghead:

Mile High Mania
03-14-2013, 05:07 PM
Wrong schedule.

Crap ... cannot trust the Google result sometimes.

Home - Houston, Indianapolis, Dallas, N.Y. Giants,
Cleveland

Away - Jacksonville, Tennessee, Philadelphia,
Washington, Buffalo

Enh, possibly the same result, but much better chance of getting to 9.

Mile High Mania
03-14-2013, 05:07 PM
We're gonna kick the shit out of the Broncos this year in KC.

:LOL:ROFL

Molitoth
03-14-2013, 05:07 PM
We're gonna kick the shit out of the Broncos this year in KC.

lol dumbass.

Mavericks Ace
03-14-2013, 05:07 PM
oh hey look , Alex Smith Fan's got his lips and mouth on a Donkey's Cock

shocker

Yeah, i just cant bring myself to love a chess turd.

Mavericks Ace
03-14-2013, 05:08 PM
No, we're pissed because anyone that knows anything about football knows you're not going to win a championship with Alex Smith. You don't win with game managers - the guy had an elite running game and elite defense and still didn't get the job done. He's certainly not going to do it here with inferior talent.

Decent isn't good enough in today's NFL, and better than bad does not equal good.

Gee fuck stick, the 49ers didnt get it done with a much better qb either.....

Mavericks Ace
03-14-2013, 05:09 PM
Alex Smith was a 4-year veteran at that point.

And even when he returned for his fifth year, he wasn't playing at the level Hill did.

Who did shaun hill ultimately lose his job to??

ALEX SMITH :LOL:

O.city
03-14-2013, 05:10 PM
It's pretty pointless to start tallying wins or losses in March.

Pawnmower
03-14-2013, 05:10 PM
We're gonna kick the shit out of the Broncos this year in KC.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/mgrubb727/steves_birthday/DSCN0236.jpg

Mile High Mania
03-14-2013, 05:11 PM
It's pretty pointless to start tallying wins or losses in March.

True, but it's pointless to talk about many of the things that are discussed or debated to death over the Internet...

Pawnmower
03-14-2013, 05:12 PM
Figure you can go 2-2 vs OAK/SD at the worst and you're getting rolled by DEN ... so that's 2-4 worst case or 3-3 best case in the division.

Home vs BAL / CIN / IND / ATL / CAR
Away vs CLE / PIT / BUF / NOS / TB

That's 7, possibly 8 wins... CIN, IND and CAR will present issues.

oh and BAL, ATL won't?

O.city
03-14-2013, 05:13 PM
True, but it's pointless to talk about many of the things that are discussed or debated to death over the Internet...

Yeah for sure.


But I do think people will be surprised at how bad the coaching and management was in KC last year. There's no way our talent level was 2-14, outside of the QB.

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-14-2013, 05:14 PM
Well, that was a nice, fluffy, piece of shit. Baldwin a "nightmare"? Lol
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Mavericks Ace
03-14-2013, 05:14 PM
oh and BAL, ATL won't?

3-13 slutski

Mavericks Ace
03-14-2013, 05:15 PM
Yeah for sure.


But I do think people will be surprised at how bad the coaching and management was in KC last year. There's no way our talent level was 2-14, outside of the QB.

amazing what a winning culture being brought in, with reid, and dorsey, can do for the morale of the team.

i said 10 wins, nothing so far that has been done has made me even flinch at that.

Discuss Thrower
03-14-2013, 05:16 PM
Yeah for sure.


But I do think people will be surprised at how bad the coaching and management was in KC last year. There's no way our talent level was 2-14, outside of the QB.

Baltimore and Pittsburgh could've been wins with a real QB.. Add an AFC West win and 5-11 was the team's potential.

O.city
03-14-2013, 05:18 PM
Baltimore and Pittsburgh could've been wins with a real QB.. Add an AFC West win and 5-11 was the team's potential.

Thats with Cassel and Quinn at QB and the worse coaching staff in the NFL by a long shot, on both sides of the ball.


People don't fully understand how bad things were at Arrowhead last year behind th scenes.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 05:19 PM
Around the same time this was going on you were saying how Smith would be a nice addition in KC.


You're full of shit. Go directly to jail don't pass go.

As a backup/developmental QB.

New World Order
03-14-2013, 05:26 PM
Who did shaun hill ultimately lose his job to??

ALEX SMITH :LOL:



So our new franchise qb was able to beat out Shuan Hill (in a struggle might I add) to be the man in SF. That is what I have always dreamed of!

King_Chief_Fan
03-14-2013, 05:32 PM
As a backup/developmental QB.

did you get caught flip flopping again?

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 05:35 PM
did you get caught flip flopping again?

No.

I'd still take Alex Smith as a backup now that he's developed into a fine one.

BigRedChief
03-14-2013, 05:56 PM
We're gonna kick the shit out of the Broncos this year in KC.
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Tombstone RJ
03-14-2013, 06:09 PM
http://sportschatplace.com/football/pete/2013/march/14/nfl-news/


In the coming draft, the Chiefs do not have any extra choices but they do have the first or second picks in every round. With these picks, Kansas City will be able to find some value at Safety, Wide Receiver and Offensive Line.

lol, this right here tells you all you need to know... :rolleyes:

Mile High Mania
03-14-2013, 06:14 PM
oh and BAL, ATL won't?

Well, the bolded teams were what I was listing as possible wins... so the non-bolded teams I was projecting as a loss, so ummm...

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-14-2013, 06:19 PM
I'm not a MU homer but I'd be happy when Chase takes over this season for injured Alex Smith. Maybe they will put in some sub plays for him to run.

Doesn't even look like Stanzi is going compete for the #2 job. They took ur job.

Colquitt is too important now to be Succup's holder. He can wing it from there too.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 06:34 PM
Alex Smith was a 4-year veteran at that point.

And even when he returned for his fifth year, he wasn't playing at the level Hill did.

Which point are you talking about? Hill was an undrafted Free Agent in 2002, he signed with the Vikings. He didn't get any real playing time but went through Training Camp and practices for three years as the #3 guy. He did go play for Amsterdam for a year to get some playing time in while he was there. He was on the 9ers from 2006-2009.

Meanwhile Smith was drafted in '05 by the 9ers and went on and off the field as a rookie competing with Hill. In 2006 he was named the starter. In 2007 he was again the starter, but injured his shoulder. The HC at the time basically called him a pussy for not playing though it even though it was a pretty serious injury. He missed some games, tried to come back, couldn't play well with it. Eventually he had surgery for it. In 2008 he was trying to get the starting job back after the surgery. He couldn't play well enough to do it, losing the job to O'Sullivan. That's right. O'Sullivan. Later that year the 9ers found out that Smith's injury didn't heal properly, even after the surgery (gee, I guess he really was hurt badly?) and they put Smith on IR. Hill did later take the starting job again...from O'Sullivan as Smith was on IR at the time.

So..yeah. It's really not as simple as you make it out to be. Smith is a decent QB.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 06:37 PM
Which point are you talking about? Hill was an undrafted Free Agent in 2002, he signed with the Vikings. He didn't get any real playing time but went through Training Camp and practices for three years as the #3 guy. He did go play for Amsterdam for a year to get some playing time in while he was there. He was on the 9ers from 2006-2009.

Meanwhile Smith was drafted in '05 by the 9ers and went on and off the field as a rookie competing with Hill. In 2006 he was named the starter. In 2007 he was again the starter, but injured his shoulder. The HC at the time basically called him a pussy for not playing though it even though it was a pretty serious injury. He missed some games, tried to come back, couldn't play well with it. Eventually he had surgery for it. In 2008 he was trying to get the starting job back after the surgery. He couldn't play well enough to do it, losing the job to O'Sullivan. That's right. O'Sullivan. Later that year the 9ers found out that Smith's injury didn't heal properly, even after the surgery (gee, I guess he really was hurt badly?) and they put Smith on IR. Hill did later take the starting job again...from O'Sullivan as Smith was on IR at the time.

So..yeah. It's really not as simple as you make it out to be. Smith is a decent QB.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Alex Smith sucked most of his career.

During 2008 he was outplayed by a turd named Shaun Hill. At that point he was a veteran. And even next season, when he was a year older, he wasn't as good as Hill had been.

But yeah, Smith is "decent." Almost as "decent" as Matt Cassel was in New England. Yay!

Easy 6
03-14-2013, 06:42 PM
Which point are you talking about? Hill was an undrafted Free Agent in 2002, he signed with the Vikings. He didn't get any real playing time but went through Training Camp and practices for three years as the #3 guy. He did go play for Amsterdam for a year to get some playing time in while he was there. He was on the 9ers from 2006-2009.

Meanwhile Smith was drafted in '05 by the 9ers and went on and off the field as a rookie competing with Hill. In 2006 he was named the starter. In 2007 he was again the starter, but injured his shoulder. The HC at the time basically called him a pussy for not playing though it even though it was a pretty serious injury. He missed some games, tried to come back, couldn't play well with it. Eventually he had surgery for it. In 2008 he was trying to get the starting job back after the surgery. He couldn't play well enough to do it, losing the job to O'Sullivan. That's right. O'Sullivan. Later that year the 9ers found out that Smith's injury didn't heal properly, even after the surgery (gee, I guess he really was hurt badly?) and they put Smith on IR. Hill did later take the starting job again...from O'Sullivan as Smith was on IR at the time.

So..yeah. It's really not as simple as you make it out to be. Smith is a decent QB.

ROFL so this is what its come to, its gotten so bad we now have a Bronco fan trying to justify a Chiefs player to a Chiefs fan... now i've seen it all ROFL

You the man, Listo.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 06:48 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Alex Smith sucked most of his career.

During 2008 he was outplayed by a turd named Shaun Hill. At that point he was a veteran. And even next season, when he was a year older, he wasn't as good as Hill had been.

But yeah, Smith is "decent." Almost as "decent" as Matt Cassel was in New England. Yay!

You mean in 2008 when O'Sullivan was the starter, Smith was #2 and Hill was #3? And then Smith was put on IR because his shoulder was still messed up even after surgery, and then Hill beat out O'Sullivan for the stating job after Smith was put on IR? Oh, by the way, the highly unstable 9ers fired HC Mike Nolan and gave the job to Mike Singletary during this time.

Count Zarth
03-14-2013, 06:50 PM
You mean in 2008 when O'Sullivan was the starter, Smith was #2 and Hill was #3? And then Smith was put on IR because his shoulder was still messed up even after surgery, and then Hill beat out O'Sullivan for the stating job after Smith was put on IR? Oh, by the way, the highly unstable 9ers fired HC Mike Nolan and gave the job to Mike Singletary during this time.

I'm trying to say that he played with the same talent as Hill in 2007 and 2009, and yet Hill was a better QB in 2008. Does that make sense?

Shaun Hill had all the disadvantages that Alex Smith had, yet was able to play better.

listopencil
03-14-2013, 06:52 PM
I'm trying to say that he played with the same talent as Hill in 2007 and 2009, and yet Hill was a better QB in 2008. Does that make sense?

Shaun Hill had all the disadvantages that Alex Smith had, yet was able to play better.

But he wasn't. Hill couldn't beat out Smith with a busted shoulder, and Smith took the job away from him earlier with less NFL team experience and playing time.

rtmike
03-14-2013, 07:05 PM
I always considered Hill one of the better back up QB's. He was half way getting the job done in Detroit as well.

I can't help but think where the team would be right now if ***** was still in charge.
-maybe half the free agents that are signed currently
-overpaying for all of them
-2nd Rd. given up for Mallet. :spock:


Yuck, upset stomach thinking about it.

KC_Lee
03-14-2013, 07:29 PM
Repeat after me;

We have a last place schedule next year. It will be impossible for KC not to be a better team next year. And it won't mean JACK!

Easy 6
03-14-2013, 07:55 PM
Repeat after me;

We have a last place schedule next year. It will be impossible for KC not to be a better team next year. And it won't mean JACK!

True enough, another somewhat surprising 10-6 season on a weak schedule should be considered something of a mirage, we've seen this before... its 2014 that will tell the whole thruth.

KC_Lee
03-14-2013, 07:58 PM
True enough, another somewhat surprising 10-6 season on a weak schedule should be considered something of a mirage, we've seen this before... its 2014 that will tell the whole thruth.

And if we follow the pattern of every other 49er QB we will suck in 2014.

Baby Lee
03-14-2013, 08:44 PM
I honestly don't get the Smith=Cassel shit, short of CP PTSD.

If Aaron Rodgers and the Mannings are Central Park West, Smith is Harlem and Cassel is the outer reaches of Long Island.

Smith may not be more game manager than load shoulderer, but Cassel couldn't muster even game manager unless it was against the worst teams in the league. He made brain farts that seemed previously unfathomable. He made simple passes in that flat that were so off target that they stopped the receiver in his tracks and got him run over like Letterman's stalker on the train tracks, the pants pooping under pressure fertilized a small farm one county over, his audibles were so obvious the defense could make the stop with a cigarette draped from their lips.

If we get a minimal return Smith and he's merely competent and cautious, it'll still be a huge upgrade.

TEX
03-14-2013, 09:31 PM
Ya think???

TEX
03-14-2013, 09:36 PM
Repeat after me;

We have a last place schedule next year. It will be impossible for KC not to be a better team next year. And it won't mean JACK!

Impossible? We had a last place schedule last season too and we managed the "impossible."

Baby Lee
03-14-2013, 09:38 PM
Ya think???

At whom was that directed?

TEX
03-14-2013, 09:42 PM
At whom was that directed?

The topic itself in general.

Fat Elvis
03-14-2013, 09:52 PM
Repeat after me;

We have a last place schedule next year. It will be impossible for KC not to be a better team next year. And it won't mean JACK!

Repeat after me:

Last place schedules don't mean diddly anymore. With the exception of two games, we play the exact same schedule as the first place team in our division. Since they play us twice and we are the #1 pick, their schedule is actually easier than ours based on last year's record.

Throw out all the games in common.

KC plays:
Denver 13-3
Denver 13-3
Buff 6-10
Cleve 5-11

Totals: 37-27

Denver plays:
KC 2-14
KC 2-14
Balt 10-6
NE 12-4

Totals: 26-38

Math. Learn it.

Alex Smith 4Ever
03-14-2013, 09:57 PM
I believe!

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-14-2013, 10:06 PM
I believe!

That your choice in QB's is rivaled only by your junior high skills in choosing a username? Yeah, me too.
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noa
03-14-2013, 10:14 PM
I honestly don't get the Smith=Cassel shit, short of CP PTSD.

If Aaron Rodgers and the Mannings are Central Park West, Smith is Harlem and Cassel is the outer reaches of Long Island.

Smith may not be more game manager than load shoulderer, but Cassel couldn't muster even game manager unless it was against the worst teams in the league. He made brain farts that seemed previously unfathomable. He made simple passes in that flat that were so off target that they stopped the receiver in his tracks and got him run over like Letterman's stalker on the train tracks, the pants pooping under pressure fertilized a small farm one county over, his audibles were so obvious the defense could make the stop with a cigarette draped from their lips.

If we get a minimal return Smith and he's merely competent and cautious, it'll still be a huge upgrade.

Smith is certainly an upgrade from Castile, I agree. I think that people see the parallels in circumstances (2nd round picks traded for backup qbs, cornering us into an unexciting 1st round draft pick) and assume parallel results. And aside from that, Smith probably won't lead us to the holy land, so to that very arbitrary degree, he is the same as Khastel.

Chiefspants
03-14-2013, 10:22 PM
Expectations should be higher than what they’ve been in the past. I mean, it’s only right, We’ve done a lot of work to retain very good players in the Derrick Johnsons, the Tamba Halis, the Jamaal Charles and some other players, but we’ve also added some other good players. I feel we have a really good coaching staff intact, so expectations should be high.

jimw51
03-14-2013, 10:26 PM
All these experts on this board all the ex coaches and gms telling is what the team to do

DaneMcCloud
03-14-2013, 10:38 PM
All these experts on this board all the ex coaches and gms telling is what the team to do

That's some serious shit you're smokin'

noa
03-14-2013, 10:43 PM
All these experts on this board all the ex coaches and gms telling is what the team to do

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h74mpHR81rwcc6bo1_250.gif

Shaid
03-14-2013, 11:42 PM
Stopped reading after they mentioned Baldwin "continuing" to improve, pure homer all over this one.

Dave Lane
03-15-2013, 01:03 AM
It says that Shaun Hill was able to grasp Mike Martz offense better than Matt Cassel, who at the time, was on his fourth offense in four years.

FYP

Alex Smith 4Ever
03-15-2013, 02:14 AM
That your choice in QB's is rivaled only by your junior high skills in choosing a username? Yeah, me too.
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I would bet my life savings that Alex Smith's quarterback rating last season is higher than the highest rookie QBR this season.

listopencil
03-15-2013, 02:20 AM
FYP

Actually:

2005 - Rookie. Moved in and out of the lineup by HC Nolan
2006 - Started all 16 games
2007 - Started season. Shoulder injury knocked him out. Tried to return after 3 games and couldn't, was placed on IR, Dilfer finished season
2008 - Couldn't take #1 spot from O'Sullivan, doctors found out that shoulder was badly messed up, shoulder worse from botched surgery, back to IR, Nolan fired
2009 - New HC makes Hill the starter, Smith takes the starting job away from him in week 7
2010 - Started season, injured again and replaced by Troy Smith, takes job back from Troy Smith later in the year, HC fired again
2011 - Started and played entire year, team went 13-3 but lost to the Giants in the NFC Champ game.
2012 - Started season, concussion in week 10 (record of 8-2), Kap replaces him and starts all the way to the Super Bowl



So...you guys could draft Geno. Alex Smith will play well, get injured half way through the 2014 season, Geno will replace him and be your new franchise QB.

listopencil
03-15-2013, 02:30 AM
Wow. I just took a look at the 2005 draft: Alex Smith, Aaron Rogers, Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel.

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 02:31 AM
Wow. I just took a look at the 2005 draft: Alex Smith, Aaron Rogers, Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel.We could get every single one except for the future HOFer.

listopencil
03-15-2013, 02:36 AM
We could get every single one except for the future HOFer.

I don't feel sorry for you. Our drafts from the Shannahan and McDaniels era can be summed up in two moves: We picked Ashlie Lelie over Ed Reed, and we traded away a 1st round pick to draft Alphonso Smith in the second round.

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 02:41 AM
I don't feel sorry for you. Our drafts from the Shannahan and McDaniels era can be summed up in two moves: We picked Ashlie Lelie over Ed Reed, and we traded away a 1st round pick to draft Alphonso Smith in the second round.Peyton Manning

DTLB58
03-15-2013, 02:50 AM
Meh. I think if Manning stays healthy then the Broncos win the division. I definitely expect KC to do better than last year though. Alex Smith is not a bad QB.

Donkies will def be favoried to win the division. Can the Chiefs pull out a wild card? Maybe, I'd say probably not this season, but the AFC isn't real strong right now. In the East you really only have the Pats as contenders. The North, I think the Bengals are gonna win that. The Ravens have been raped, The Steelers are still rebuilding and the Browns are like us but maybe even worse. In the South, Texans and Colts are the main players. And the West I don't think the Raiders or Chargers will challenge. That doesn't leave many teams IMO.