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RunKC
03-15-2013, 06:42 AM
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Chiefs staying busy, visiting today with Vikings free-agent OT Geoff Schwartz, whom they are expected to sign.

!!!!!!

Superturtle
03-15-2013, 06:43 AM
Ooh wow. That would be a game changer if he signed.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 06:43 AM
W00t

RunKC
03-15-2013, 06:44 AM
This guy is 6'6" 340 lbs. Damn he's huge.

Superturtle
03-15-2013, 06:45 AM
Wait... is he good?

theelusiveeightrop
03-15-2013, 06:48 AM
Can he play tackle?

Tuckdaddy
03-15-2013, 06:48 AM
The illustrious words of Bill Parcells." Only a few people on the planet weigh 300 pounds and can actually move. When you have a chance to get one, you do it". Let's do this.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 06:49 AM
This is the only thing I can really find on this guy

9. Minnesota Vikings (7)

PB – 13th, RB – 6th, PEN – 8th

Stud: It might not be the coolest thing to say, but there’s no denying that over the past two years the best center in the league has been John Sullivan (+27.3).

Dud: The Vikings made a big mistake in keeping Brandon Fusco (-11.8) in the starting lineup when they had better options on the bench.

Summary: The only criticism of this line is that Geoff Schwartz didn’t get nearly enough playing time. That aside, what more could you want from this line? They kept their quarterback upright, and in Sullivan and Phil Loadholt they have two of the most punishing run blockers in the league at their positions. Trending upwards, with rookie left tackle Matt Kalil being exactly as advertised.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines/3/

Well if it's a criticism that he didn't get enough play time, he must be pretty good. Sounds like he has some talent.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 06:52 AM
At the rate Dorseid are signing these players, the #1 pick is going to be a luxury pick.

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 06:52 AM
This is the only thing I can really find on this guy

9. Minnesota Vikings (7)

PB – 13th, RB – 6th, PEN – 8th

Stud: It might not be the coolest thing to say, but there’s no denying that over the past two years the best center in the league has been John Sullivan (+27.3).

Dud: The Vikings made a big mistake in keeping Brandon Fusco (-11.8) in the starting lineup when they had better options on the bench.

Summary: The only criticism of this line is that Geoff Schwartz didn’t get nearly enough playing time. That aside, what more could you want from this line? They kept their quarterback upright, and in Sullivan and Phil Loadholt they have two of the most punishing run blockers in the league at their positions. Trending upwards, with rookie left tackle Matt Kalil being exactly as advertised.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines/3/

Well if it's a criticism that he didn't get enough play time, he must be pretty good. Sounds like he has some talent.


He was competing at RG in Minny.

RyFo18
03-15-2013, 06:53 AM
At the rate Dorseid are signing these players, the #1 pick is going to be a luxury pick.

Exaxctly...as will every draft pick for years to come. So smart.

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 06:54 AM
This guy also plays RG so don't get too excited.

In fact most of his starts have been there. He hasn't played RT in awhile.

Micjones
03-15-2013, 06:55 AM
The Panthers stumbled onto something in Schwartz’ first full year as a starter- much as they did when the departure of Julius Peppers forced Charles Johnson into the lineup. They fortuitously found a guy who could play right tackle and right guard in impressive fashion, impressive enough in fact, that it earned him serious consideration when we announced our Pro Bowl team.

The link. (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/08/secret-superstar-geoff-schwartz-carolina-panthers)

Micjones
03-15-2013, 06:57 AM
Geoff Schwartz, OT/ OG

When the Carolina Panthers opted against tendering Schwartz, there was a collective gasp from the PFF team. Sure Ron Rivera wasn’t in charge when Schwartz managed to finish 2010 with a PFF grade of +12.3 despite playing two positions, but it wouldn’t have been hard to watch some tapes and see he’s got more talent than anything they can currently put out on the right side of their line. Schwartz offers the kind of versatility and talent that brings to mind a poor man’s Marshal Yanda; good enough to make him the best right tackle available and possibly the best value guard too. He has a very real chance to be this year’s Evan Mathis for a team with a diligent scouting department.

The link. (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/11/free-agency-2012-bargain-hunting)

Urc Burry
03-15-2013, 06:57 AM
Why does he sound familiar? We're we after him last year?

YayMike
03-15-2013, 06:57 AM
Unfortunately, i've resigned myself to the fact that if we are stuck at #1 and can't trade down, we will be taking one of the OT. Hopefully we trade down about 3 times, gather some picks and end up with someone like Austin or Patterson around pick 13.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 06:57 AM
If he's playing G, I would imagine he's replacing Jeff Allen.

Jeff Allen was got raped hard last year.

Superturtle
03-15-2013, 06:57 AM
Asamoah is RG. Have to believe they view him as RT. Let me have this hope damn it.

farmerchief
03-15-2013, 06:58 AM
Could be moved into the left guard spot, right? Or his more natural right tackle? Doesnt matter, it looks as if we are getting some good quality players added to this team, fighting for starting spots or offering much needed depth, which we havent had for quite some time. If this guy can stay healthy, a very good addition.! IMO

farmerchief
03-15-2013, 07:00 AM
Why does he sound familiar? We're we after him last year?

Yes

Micjones
03-15-2013, 07:00 AM
He'd be Kansas City's right tackle.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:01 AM
Would love this signing. Big dude. He's also a great follow on twitter (very funny) and he's one of an extremely small number of Jewish players in the NFL.

The Chosen Lineman!

Fritz88
03-15-2013, 07:03 AM
Reid is calling all the shots. If Dorsey was a true protege of Thompson, he wouldn't be making all these FA moves. GB didn't sign a single player this FA if I am not mistaken. This is unhealthy.
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Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:04 AM
@PFF_Khaled: Geoff Schwartz could prove nice pick up for Chiefs. Vikings averaged 6.7 yards per carry with him at RG, and 4.7 with Fusco.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 07:05 AM
Reid is calling all the shots. If Dorsey was a true protege of Thompson, he wouldn't be making all these FA moves. GB didn't sign a single player this FA if I am not mistaken. This is unhealthy.
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Was Woodson a FA?

RunKC
03-15-2013, 07:05 AM
Geoff Schwartz ‏@GeoffSchwartz76
Haven't but I'm comfortable in my left stance RT @VikingsFanPage: Have you ever played LG or are you most confident at RG? Just curious.

Bootlegged
03-15-2013, 07:06 AM
Watched him play here in Carolina. Solid OL - imagine he would play guard freeing up Allen to move to RT.

Albert - LT
Allen/Stephenson - RT

#1 pick - ???

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:07 AM
Reid is calling all the shots. If Dorsey was a true protege of Thompson, he wouldn't be making all these FA moves. GB didn't sign a single player this FA if I am not mistaken. This is unhealthy.
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GB tried to sign Steven Jackson but lost out to Atlanta.

31PriestWay
03-15-2013, 07:07 AM
Your Schwartz is as big as mine

May the Schwartz be with you

Sorry couldn't resist love Spaceballs

siberian khatru
03-15-2013, 07:07 AM
Would love this signing. Big dude. He's also a great follow on twitter (very funny) and he's one of an extremely small number of Jewish players in the NFL.

The Chosen Lineman!

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ChiliConCarnage
03-15-2013, 07:07 AM
hmm. RT would be great. Might be a backup swing lineman/insurance policy for Allen

YayMike
03-15-2013, 07:08 AM
Geoff Schwartz ‏@GeoffSchwartz76
Haven't but I'm comfortable in my left stance RT @VikingsFanPage: Have you ever played LG or are you most confident at RG? Just curious.

Great news. Plug him at RT, sign Albert long term. Draft the BPA #1 overall.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:08 AM
Geoff Schwartz @GeoffSchwartz76
When am I not? RT @NickHannula: I have a league source that says you're craving a burrito right now

ROFL

I'm telling you - follow this guy on twitter.

RyFo18
03-15-2013, 07:09 AM
Andy loves him some big O-linemen.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 07:09 AM
Geoff Schwartz @GeoffSchwartz76
When am I not? RT @NickHannula: I have a league source that says you're craving a burrito right now

ROFL

I'm telling you - follow this guy on twitter.

Question > Answer

Direckshun
03-15-2013, 07:11 AM
Good lord.

Reid is remaking this team at light speed.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:12 AM
Question > Answer

http://crossfitbwi.com/files/2012/10/alex-trebek.jpeg

siberian khatru
03-15-2013, 07:13 AM
Good lord.

Reid is remaking this team at light speed.

I'm feeling dizzy. Not used to the Chiefs being aggressive in FA.

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:13 AM
It's clear to me they're going with a power blocking scheme, no?

Maybe a couple of guys we have on the roster don't fit.

And that might actually rule out Joeckel, since he isn't a mauler?

Am I stupid?

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:16 AM
It's clear to me they're going with a power blocking scheme, no?

Maybe a couple of guys we have on the roster don't fit.

And that might actually rule out Joeckel, since he isn't a mauler?

Which is why more mocks have been switching to Fisher instead of Joeckel.

We have guys on our roster but many of them (Stephenson, Allen, Hudson, Asamoah) are unproven and have questions.

Am I stupid?

Yes.

Guru
03-15-2013, 07:17 AM
Yes.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:18 AM
Nothing not to like here. He hasn't played many snaps the rest of his career.

http://i.imgur.com/L1vvX6T.jpg

BigRock
03-15-2013, 07:20 AM
I talked to a Panthers nut I know when we were looking at him last year. He played RT in college and started there with Carolina, but during the 2010 season they moved him to RG because the previous RG sucked. Then he missed 2011 with an injury.

So a year ago the only guard experience he had was however many games he had there in 2010 after they moved him. Since we'd signed Winston, it didn't seem likely we wanted him at RT. But his resume at guard was awfully small. But if he played guard for the Vikings then presumably he could do either.

Well, this cleared up nothing.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 07:20 AM
Albert/Schwartz/Hudson/Asamoah/Fisher

That would be an interesting line for sure.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:21 AM
We also lack depth. Severely

Albert
Hudson
Allen
Asamoah
Stephenson
Hochstein
Mattison
Durand
Lilja
Patterson
Ranglin

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-15-2013, 07:23 AM
Listen, we're trying to get a handle on this thing../through the mustache

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:24 AM
Well, if this guy is our starting RT, at least it shows Reid isn't a dumbass who wants to reach for/overpay a RT.

It also might indicate a very good reason why Winston was dumped...simply doesn't fit a power blocking scheme.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 07:25 AM
They were just in Oregon yesterday for the pro day. Gotta wonder if they are giving Dion Jordan a look at #1 since our pass rush sucks ass.

Superturtle
03-15-2013, 07:26 AM
They were just in Oregon yesterday for the pro day. Gotta wonder if they are giving Dion Jordan a look at #1 since our pass rush sucks ass.
Yeah connecting the dots it kind of makes sense

penbook
03-15-2013, 07:28 AM
They were just in Oregon yesterday for the pro day. Gotta wonder if they are giving Dion Jordan a look at #1 since our pass rush sucks ass.

Dion Jordan was injured. They werent looking at him. They were looking at Kyle Long.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 07:29 AM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout
OG Geoff Schwartz is visiting Kansas City today.

JFC this guy just won't come off it. He thinks we're drafting an OT no matter what we do. I hope we draft someone else just to make him look bad.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 07:29 AM
Dion Jordan was injured. They werent looking at him. They were looking at Kyle Long.

& Kiko Alonso

penbook
03-15-2013, 07:30 AM
& Kiko Alonso

Yea in the later rounds for ILB depth.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 07:31 AM
& Kiko Alonso

I would love Kyle Long but I think he'll be long gone by the time we pick in round 3.

Jerm
03-15-2013, 07:31 AM
Dion Jordan was injured. They werent looking at him. They were looking at Kyle Long.

You don't send the HC, GM, and a large contingent of the defensive staff for Kyle Long....sorry.

penbook
03-15-2013, 07:34 AM
You don't send the HC, GM, and a large contingent of the defensive staff for Kyle Long....sorry.

Well Dion Jordan didnt even do anything at his Pro Day. He sat out.

CoMoChief
03-15-2013, 07:34 AM
jeez....Dorsey isn't fididdling around in FA.

chiefzilla1501
03-15-2013, 07:35 AM
You don't send the HC, GM, and a large contingent of the defensive staff for Kyle Long....sorry.

Could be a smoke screen

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 07:35 AM
All this FA activity is great. It's almost like..... They care!

Guru
03-15-2013, 07:37 AM
All this FA activity is great. It's almost like..... They care!

Cautiously optimistic

penbook
03-15-2013, 07:37 AM
jeez....Dorsey isn't fididdling around in FA.

Yep they also had a defensive player in here 2 nights ago and it wasnt Sean Smith.

Jerm
03-15-2013, 07:38 AM
Well Dion Jordan didnt even do anything at his Pro Day. He sat out.

He met with Reid...I'm sure they all spoke with him and went over film, grilled him, etc.

I'd be surprised if it was for any other reason...

chiefzilla1501
03-15-2013, 07:38 AM
Reid is calling all the shots. If Dorsey was a true protege of Thompson, he wouldn't be making all these FA moves. GB didn't sign a single player this FA if I am not mistaken. This is unhealthy.
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I sense Clark hunt is telling him he can build for the future, but he has got to start winning games now. I am ok with that philosophy and don't feel like we've made a lot of deals that are going to destroy our long term cap. These moves really just buy Dorsey time to build through scrappy moves future forward.

penbook
03-15-2013, 07:40 AM
I sense Clark hunt is telling him he can build for the future, but he has got to start winning games now. I am ok with that philosophy and don't feel like we've made a lot of deals that are going to destroy our long term cap. These moves really just buy Dorsey time to build through scrappy moves future forward.

Hes bringing in players of need and picking depth in the draft it looks like. Hell if Geno is bpa than hes the pick.

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:41 AM
If Schwartz is our RT.....

HOW CAN THEY NOT TAKE GENO?

I MEAN FUCK DEFENSIVE LINEMEN

J Diddy
03-15-2013, 07:41 AM
All this FA activity is great. It's almost like..... They care!

or trying to fill out a roster before the draft so they can draft the BPA like they said they would

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 07:41 AM
Hes bringing in players of need and picking depth in the draft it looks like. Hell if Geno is bpa than hes the pick.Just the thought of it.....

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:44 AM
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Brainiac
03-15-2013, 07:48 AM
Reid is calling all the shots. If Dorsey was a true protege of Thompson, he wouldn't be making all these FA moves. GB didn't sign a single player this FA if I am not mistaken. This is unhealthy.
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Yes, we should keep our 2-14 team the same as it was last year. :spock:

Direckshun
03-15-2013, 07:50 AM
If Schwartz is our RT.....

HOW CAN THEY NOT TAKE GENO?

I MEAN **** DEFENSIVE LINEMEN

Alex Smith 8.5m

Chase Daniel 3.5m

That's how.

cookster50
03-15-2013, 07:51 AM
Nothing not to like here. He hasn't played many snaps the rest of his career.


Well crap, if he isn't going to play many snaps the rest of his career, we don't need him!

candyman
03-15-2013, 07:53 AM
Great. Him and Abdullah are going to have it out in training camp

Hoover
03-15-2013, 07:53 AM
I think Reid and Dorsey are being so active in free agency for two reasons. One, this team lacked depth at almost every position, we also had a number of holes to fill after they released some players. Two, Dorsey might be more active in free agency for the reason mentioned above but also because he wants to implement his BAA for the draft. You can't do that when there are holes all over a roster.

It's an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan. We are making moves to be competitive now, while also having an eye to the future as far as the draft is concerned.

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:53 AM
Alex Smith 8.5m

Chase Daniel 3.5m

That's how.

There's just no way any DL in this draft has greater value than Geno.

JUST NO WAY AT ALL.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-15-2013, 07:53 AM
Alex Smith 8.5m

Chase Daniel 3.5m

That's how.

So Geno would get something around 7. That's 19 million invested in the most important position on the field, and less than 10% of the overall cap. Doesn't seem outrageous to me. There are starters who make that scratch.

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 07:54 AM
There's just no way any DL in this draft has greater value than Geno.

JUST NO WAY AT ALL.

So Geno would get something around 7. That's 19 million invested in the most important position on the field, and less than 10% of the overall cap. Doesn't seem outrageous to me. There are starters who make that scratch.These

Chiefs=Good
03-15-2013, 07:55 AM
Wet dream - they sign this guy to play rt. Cannot trade down so they just pick Geno.

YayMike
03-15-2013, 07:55 AM
There's just no way any DL in this draft has greater value than Geno.

JUST NO WAY AT ALL.

Agreed completely. If signed, this could reawaken the hope of the Smith Trinity to KC!

bevischief
03-15-2013, 07:55 AM
Cautiously optimistic

This.

Deberg_1990
03-15-2013, 07:56 AM
I think Reid and Dorsey are being so active in free agency for two reasons. One, this team lacked depth at almost every position, we also had a number of holes to fill after they released some players. Two, Dorsey might be more active in free agency for the reason mentioned above but also because he wants to implement his BAA for the draft. You can't do that when there are holes all over a roster.

It's an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan. We are making moves to be competitive now, while also having an eye to the future as far as the draft is concerned.

They are being so active because they were brought in by Clark to stop the bleeding right now. Not next year, or the season after. I think Clark was tired of seeing whats happened to this franchise over the past decade and loss of $$$$.

I fully expect this team to turn it around and win at least 8 or 9 games.

suds79
03-15-2013, 07:57 AM
I'm sure this has been said already but just looked him up. Gracious 6'6 340. PBJ Finally we get the big, mauling type of O-linemen that Pioli never seemed to like.

Count Alex's Losses
03-15-2013, 07:59 AM
You need to be able to convert third and 1 and goal line situations with the run when Alex Smith is your QB. :D

Brainiac
03-15-2013, 08:01 AM
If Schwartz is our RT.....

HOW CAN THEY NOT TAKE GENO?

I MEAN **** DEFENSIVE LINEMEN

I'd be more optimistic about that if either Reid or Dorsey had gone to Geno's pro day. Since neither one bothered to go, I have to assume they've already made their decision about him.

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 08:01 AM
I'd be more optimistic about that if either Reid or Dorsey had gone to Geno's pro day. Since neither one bothered to go, I have to assume they've already made their decision about him.I thought they did?

Mr. Flopnuts
03-15-2013, 08:02 AM
I thought they did?

29 teams showed up. The Chiefs were one of them. I don't know if Reid or Dorsey went, but the Chiefs were there.

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 08:03 AM
29 teams showed up. The Chiefs were one of them. I don't know if Reid or Dorsey went, but the Chiefs were there.Well it's a start....

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:06 AM
Alex Smith 8.5m

Chase Daniel 3.5m

That's how.

So:
Alex Smith 8.5m
Chase Daniel 3.5m
Geno Smith 4.5m (Andrew Luck was 4.02 last year)

Total = 16.5m

Quarterback 2013 cap hits:
Eli Manning 20.85m
Peyton Manning 20m
Drew Brees 17.4m
Phillip Rivers 17.11m
Tony Romo 16.818m
Carson Palmer 15.335m
Tom Brady 13.8m
Ben Roethlisberger 13.6m

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:11 AM
I'd be more optimistic about that if either Reid or Dorsey had gone to Geno's pro day. Since neither one bothered to go, I have to assume they've already made their decision about him.

Meh. They'll have a private workout with him. They're not going to learn much from his pro day.

penbook
03-15-2013, 08:12 AM
So:
Alex Smith 8.5m
Chase Daniel 3.5m
Geno Smith 4.5m (Andrew Luck was 4.02 last year)

Total = 16.5m

Quarterback 2013 cap hits:
Eli Manning 20.85m
Peyton Manning 20m
Drew Brees 17.4m
Phillip Rivers 17.11m
Tony Romo 16.818m
Carson Palmer 15.335m
Tom Brady 13.8m
Ben Roethlisberger 13.6m

Actually Daniel only costs 750k against the cap this year

Direckshun
03-15-2013, 08:12 AM
So:
Alex Smith 8.5m
Chase Daniel 3.5m
Geno Smith 4.5m (Andrew Luck was 4.02 last year)

Total = 16.5m

Quarterback 2013 cap hits:
Eli Manning 20.85m
Peyton Manning 20m
Drew Brees 17.4m
Phillip Rivers 17.11m
Tony Romo 16.818m
Carson Palmer 15.335m
Tom Brady 13.8m
Ben Roethlisberger 13.6m

The problem is, you trot one QB on the field. The other guys hold the clipboard.

You're suggesting we drain 8m against the cap for a pair of clipboard holders, one of which won't even be activated?

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 08:13 AM
The problem is, you trot one QB on the field. The other guys hold the clipboard.

You're suggesting we drain 8m against the cap for a pair of clipboard holders, one of which won't even be activated?Indubitably

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 08:14 AM
I blocked matt douchebag miller. I cant stand that fucking idiot

chiefzilla1501
03-15-2013, 08:15 AM
Meh. They'll have a private workout with him. They're not going to learn much from his pro day.

This. In many cases, your scouts and tape and combine and combine interviews give you everything you need to know about your top guys. I doubt Genos stock changed much after his pro day. Teams know enough about him by now that the only way his stock can drop is if he does something really stupid.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:17 AM
The problem is, you trot one QB on the field. The other guys hold the clipboard.

You're suggesting we drain 8m against the cap for a pair of clipboard holders, one of which won't even be activated?

I don't see that as a problem. It's about cap allocation. Even with Geno drawing a 4.5m salary we'd be well below several teams total QB cap hit for 2013.

Also, I'd have to look - does Andy Reid typically keep only 2 QBs active? I never understood the Chiefs stupidity of keeping only 2 QBs active each week.

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 08:21 AM
I like Dion Jordan, freakish athlete pass rusher at 6'6"

Hog Farmer
03-15-2013, 08:22 AM
With Cassels ability to scramble Minnesota has decided the OL isn't that important.

AussieChiefsFan
03-15-2013, 08:22 AM
Well, I'm off. Hopefully this is done by the morning.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 08:27 AM
I was hoping we'd sign this guy last year and then Pioli let him go to the Vikings.

This move is fucking awesome.

And FTR.....I would have no problem with $19 million tied up in 3 QBs.

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 08:28 AM
Ya it would give the whole draft world a big fuck you

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:32 AM
@PFF_Khaled: Geoff Schwartz could prove nice pick up for Chiefs. Vikings averaged 6.7 yards per carry with him at RG, and 4.7 with Fusco.

Yep ! :thumb:

Jamaal's average will just get that much better:clap: Hell, just imagine if Reid were a run first coach. Jamaal could actually make a run at Dickerson's single season record:thumb:

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 08:34 AM
Albert LG, C, Schwartz, RT

Wonder who the LG, C, RT will be

Dave Lane
03-15-2013, 08:35 AM
Brandon Albert 8.5m

Swartz 3.5m

That's how.

Fixed your thoughts

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 08:35 AM
Bad Guy did say they that view Allen as the RT. ....so Schwartz could be moving to LG.

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 08:37 AM
Ok Albert Schwartz Hudson Asomoah Allen?

ILChief
03-15-2013, 08:41 AM
Our line this year:

Joeckel Allen Hudson Asamoah Schwartz

Stephenson swing tackle

Albert traded for a 2nd rounder

The Poz
03-15-2013, 08:43 AM
Reading up on Schwartz there was this:

"DraftInsider.Net's Tony Pauline "(continues) to hear" the Jets will target OG Geoff Schwartz in free agency.
Schwartz is capable of playing both guard and tackle, but couldn't beat out RG Brandon Fusco for a starting job in Minnesota last season. Schwartz missed all of 2011 with a hip injury, but did start all 16 games for the Panthers at right tackle in 2010. He'd provide cheap, versatile depth for a Jets line that got a bad rap in 2012, but has insisted he has no intention of being a backup. Perhaps he could replace free agent LG Matt Slauson."

I'm sure there were other teams in play and KC offered him a legit opportunity to start, not to be a rotational backup. Love this move!

Fairplay
03-15-2013, 08:45 AM
Has Go to Hell (GoChiefs) made an appearance in this thread to lament about the Alex Smith trade yet?

That's what he does best these days.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:46 AM
Albert traded for a 2nd rounder

Albert is a good LT but he is not an elite LT which your 2nd rounder is a fair assessment. IF this year's draft had no real talent at LT then I would say we could get a 1st rd pick for Albert.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:53 AM
Our line this year:

Joeckel Allen Hudson Asamoah Schwartz

Stephenson swing tackle

Albert traded for a 2nd rounder

Albert is a good LT but he is not an elite LT which your 2nd rounder is a fair assessment. IF this year's draft had no real talent at LT then I would say we could get a 1st rd pick for Albert.

LMAO

DA_T_84
03-15-2013, 09:00 AM
Yeah bish.

So, cross RT off the list.

Now we need a LG and a Pass Rusher.

Sully
03-15-2013, 09:08 AM
Your Schwartz is as big as mine

May the Schwartz be with you

Sorry couldn't resist love Spaceballs

Funny... He doesn't look Druish...

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-15-2013, 09:10 AM
Nice depth move

ChiefMojo
03-15-2013, 09:12 AM
I would bet good money they are bringing him in to be a OG and not a RT. It is quite apparent the Chiefs view Allen as not a starter this point in his career. Much like Stephenson as the swing tackle, it might not hurt having a quality swing guard in Allen to back-up Schwartz and Asamoah. I know having that many quality OL is a new concept to us but Reid is big on his lineman.

I have to say this constant talk of Geno is still mind boggling... HE ISN'T GOING TO BE DRAFTED BY KC!!! Blast away but it makes no sense in bringing him in now when the organization seems totally committed to Alex Smith. We wouldn't pay the money we did for a back-up like Daniel if we were to still bring in Geno.

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 09:13 AM
The way teams overpay for tackles I want a first

Carlota69
03-15-2013, 09:18 AM
At the rate Dorseid are signing these players, the #1 pick is going to be a luxury pick.

That's the beautiful part. It coud be anybody. Too bad it seems they don't like Smith or Barkley. But hey, maybe they do. Maybe they're being very quiet about their fave player in the draft?

MTG#10
03-15-2013, 09:18 AM
I have to say this constant talk of Geno is still mind boggling... HE ISN'T GOING TO BE DRAFTED BY KC!!! Blast away but it makes no sense in bringing him in now when the organization seems totally committed to Alex Smith. We wouldn't pay the money we did for a back-up like Daniel if we were to still bring in Geno.

Unless we draft him to trade him. If nobody offers fair compensation to move up to 1 that's absolutely what we should do. I bet teams would be willing then if they knew they weren't going to be able to get him at all.

Carlota69
03-15-2013, 09:23 AM
Unless we draft him to trade him. If nobody offers fair compensation to move up to 1 that's absolutely what we should do. I bet teams would be willing then if they knew they weren't going to be able to get him at all.

Or we draft him to sit for a couple of years. Dorsey did it with Rodgers. It's not unheard of to sit a 1st round pick. In fact, maybe they think it's the smarter thing to do?

Just wishing....:thumb:

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:23 AM
This would be a pretty nice get. I'd imagine he'll be a reasonable add.

Though I'm with others - I don't think this is a RT pickup, I think he'll play RG (I could see Asomoah moving back to LG at that point). It's only a move to address tackle to the extent that it frees Allen up to possibly make the switch back to RT.

ArmyChief
03-15-2013, 09:26 AM
Nice, get all the pieces they need to compete this year and win games then every draft pic will be for depth and for players to take over as the team ages. The head shed is doing a great job and Old Clark has opened up the piggy bank for Dorsey to do great things.

MTG#10
03-15-2013, 09:26 AM
Or we draft him to sit for a couple of years. Dorsey did it with Rodgers. It's not unheard of to sit a 1st round pick. In fact, maybe they think it's the smarter thing to do?

Just wishing....:thumb:Well yeah, that would be my preference as well...but my gut says that isnt going to happen. :(

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:26 AM
I would bet good money they are bringing him in to be a OG and not a RT. It is quite apparent the Chiefs view Allen as not a starter this point in his career. Much like Stephenson as the swing tackle, it might not hurt having a quality swing guard in Allen to back-up Schwartz and Asamoah. I know having that many quality OL is a new concept to us but Reid is big on his lineman.

I have to say this constant talk of Geno is still mind boggling... HE ISN'T GOING TO BE DRAFTED BY KC!!! Blast away but it makes no sense in bringing him in now when the organization seems totally committed to Alex Smith. We wouldn't pay the money we did for a back-up like Daniel if we were to still bring in Geno.

Not saying we're drafting Geno, but why would a backup QB on what's essentially a 1-year deal prevent them from drafting a QB #1 overall?

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 09:29 AM
Not saying we're drafting Geno, but why would a backup QB on what's essentially a 1-year deal prevent them from drafting a QB #1 overall?

This.

suds79
03-15-2013, 09:29 AM
Not saying we're drafting Geno, but why would a backup QB on what's essentially a 1-year deal prevent them from drafting a QB #1 overall?

I think they'll end up signing Alex to an extension (sound familiar?).

I know, I know. Nails on the chalkboard but I just don't see why you would give up everything you did at QB to then take a guy #1 overall who should start from day 1.

1.1s don't do that.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 09:31 AM
The way teams overpay for tackles I want a first

It may happen my friend.

I would much rather have Vollmer at LT than Albert at this point. Vollmer is better and far more durable.

You definitely could get a 1st from DaKCManAP.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 09:31 AM
Is there an unwritten rule why QBs have to start from day 1? That shit only started happening because a team invested $70 million in a guy. You dont have to now.....especially when you have a capable veteran who can start instead.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:32 AM
I think they'll end up signing Alex to an extension (sound familiar?).

I know, I know. Nails on the chalkboard but I just don't see why you would give up everything you did at QB to then take a guy #1 overall who should start from day 1.

1.1s don't do that.

It's not that different from the Skins taking RG3 @ #2 and then Cousins in rd 4.

Smith @ 1.1 and Smith in rd 2, the difference of course being ASmith starting while Cousins was a b/u.

The Redskins also had Rex Grossman (9yr vet at the time) on the roster, probably one of the better backups in the league.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 09:34 AM
I bet Dorsey and Albert are waiting to see what Jake Long gets. If Long gets less than or equal to what Brown got.....I bet Albert signs before the draft.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:34 AM
Is there an unwritten rule why QBs have to start from day 1? That shit only started happening because a team invested $70 million in a guy. You dont have to now.....especially when you have a capable veteran who can start instead.

A little bit.

It does seem to be a rule now that a starting QB in this league can expect $15 million/yr in his second contract if he's worth a shit. Well if you're looking to maximize your return, you want to get as much value out of that rookie contract as possible before you start paying for past performance in the 2nd deal.

I agree, it's easier to sit a QB than it's ever been, but it's still not terribly cost effective.

If you're Reid and you like Alex Smith, you'd be smarter to hold this pick for ransom than to take Geno Smith. At this point, while you may not get an RGIII haul, you'll probably be able to get close to it (probably one lest first rounder than the Rams got).

That has the potential to be far FAR more valuable to this franchise than Geno Smith. But you'd better be right about both Smith's at that point.

It becomes a scouting question.

suds79
03-15-2013, 09:34 AM
It's not that different from the Skins taking RG3 @ #2 and then Cousins in rd 4.

Smith @ 1.1 and Smith in rd 2, the difference of course being ASmith starting while Cousins was a b/u.

The Redskins also had Rex Grossman (9yr vet at the time) on the roster, probably one of the better backups in the league.

I hear ya. And I hope you're right.

I just think we're grasping at straws a little here. I'd put the chances of them taking Geno and him being apart of their plans to be the QB at about 5%.

:(

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:35 AM
I bet Dorsey and Albert are waiting to see what Jake Long gets. If Long gets less than or equal to what Brown got.....I bet Albert signs before the draft.

PBJ

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:36 AM
I hear ya. And I hope you're right.

I just think we're grasping at straws a little here. I'd put the chances of them taking Geno and him being apart of their plans to be the QB at about 5%.

:(

I don't disagree that it's unlikely. I just disagree with those saying it can't happen, doesn't make sense, or that it's unprecedented.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 09:37 AM
Is there an unwritten rule why QBs have to start from day 1? That shit only started happening because a team invested $70 million in a guy. You dont have to now.....especially when you have a capable veteran who can start instead.

See the Tennesee Titans.

Draft Jake Locker in first round, accquire Matt Hasselback to start, let rookie ride pine for a year.

While the jury is still out on Locker (multiple reasons for that) the situation that Pestilence calls out is a viable one.

suds79
03-15-2013, 09:38 AM
See the Tennesee Titans.

Draft Jake Locker in first round, accquire Matt Hasselback to start, let rookie ride pine for a year.

While the jury is still out on Locker (multiple reasons for that) the situation that Pestilence calls out is a viable one.

Right but we're talking about the number 1 overall pick here in relation to us.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:38 AM
That has the potential to be far FAR more valuable to this franchise than Geno Smith. But you'd better be right about both Smith's at that point.

It becomes a scouting question.

Yes. However, to me the value is equal to drafting OT @ #1. We have Albert at LT. We have a guy who can potentially play RT (Stephenson/Allen). You can also sign a RT in FA or draft one outside of rd 1.

If you're looking at immediate value the pick, IMO, has to be DL. Like it or not.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 09:40 AM
Right but we're talking about the number 1 overall pick here in relation to us.

So....

He's not needed to be the immediate savior of this team. Draft him and sit him for a year.

suds79
03-15-2013, 09:41 AM
So....

He's not needed to be the immediate savior of this team. Draft him and sit him for a year.

I'd be dancing for joy. Believe me. I just don't think it's realistic compared to how we've seen NFL teams operate with #1 overall picks.

MotherfuckerJones
03-15-2013, 09:41 AM
We could trade back and still get Barkely if they like him over Geno

ChiefGator
03-15-2013, 09:41 AM
The Redskins also had Rex Grossman (9yr vet at the time) on the roster, probably one of the better backups in the league.


Definitely one of the better backup to the backup QB's in the league.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 09:43 AM
I'd be dancing for joy. Believe me. I just don't think it's realistic compared to how we've seen NFL teams operate with #1 overall picks.

Did any of us really think that Dorsey and Reid were going to fill this many holes in FA?

jimw51
03-15-2013, 09:46 AM
No

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:49 AM
Yes. However, to me the value is equal to drafting OT @ #1. We have Albert at LT. We have a guy who can potentially play RT (Stephenson/Allen). You can also sign a RT in FA or draft one outside of rd 1.

If you're looking at immediate value the pick, IMO, has to be DL. Like it or not.

You're preaching to the choir there.

If they trade back, they have to take Floyd, Richardson or Mingo, IMO. I know some folks like Ansah as well.

There's little question in my mind that D-Line is where we should go with the pick and where there's the greatest potential impact on the team. They're a great D-Lineman away from being a truly dangerous defense.

DA_T_84
03-15-2013, 09:50 AM
Yes. However, to me the value is equal to drafting OT @ #1. We have Albert at LT. We have a guy who can potentially play RT (Stephenson/Allen). You can also sign a RT in FA or draft one outside of rd 1.

If you're looking at immediate value the pick, IMO, has to be DL. Like it or not.

...a position that usually takes 3 years for the player to develop.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 09:52 AM
I don't see that as a problem. It's about cap allocation. Even with Geno drawing a 4.5m salary we'd be well below several teams total QB cap hit for 2013.

Also, I'd have to look - does Andy Reid typically keep only 2 QBs active? I never understood the Chiefs stupidity of keeping only 2 QBs active each week.

Unless the rules have changed in the past year or two, keeping only 2 QBs active effectively gives you an extra active roster spot because the 3rd QB can still be an emergency QB (once he goes in the game the first 2 QBs can't return though, iirc).

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 09:52 AM
...a position that usually takes 3 years for the player to develop.

And KC has a history of picking busts and bums with DL 1st round picks.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:53 AM
...a position that usually takes 3 years for the player to develop.

Not sure I agree. There are guys at every position who come in and make an impact immediately and there are guys at every position who require time to develop.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:54 AM
Unless the rules have changed in the past year or two, keeping only 2 QBs active effectively gives you an extra active roster spot because the 3rd QB can still be an emergency QB (once he goes in the game the first 2 QBs can't return though, iirc).

Right - it just seems risky to me when there are so many QB injuries every week. Even moreso when you consider our stable of QBs (Cassel, Quinn) were especially frail. Alex Smith isn't an ironman, either.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 09:56 AM
I can't believe people think we are going to draft a QB still. So basically we're gonna draft a QB 1st overall to be the 3rd string QB this year? ROFL

patteeu
03-15-2013, 09:58 AM
I think it's a long shot that they'd take Geno Smith, but I don't really see the contracts of ASmith and CDaniel as significant obstacles. The biggest obstacle (besides the possibility that they just don't believe in GS) is that it would instantly create a QB controversy. Maybe Andy Reid can manage that, but it would be a challenge.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:03 AM
And KC has a history of picking busts and bums with DL 1st round picks.

This version of KC (Reid/Dorsey) doesn't really have a history, at least not together.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 10:05 AM
I think it's a long shot that they'd take Geno Smith, but I don't really see the contracts of ASmith and CDaniel as significant obstacles. The biggest obstacle (besides the possibility that they just don't believe in GS) is that it would instantly create a QB controversy. Maybe Andy Reid can manage that, but it would be a challenge.

I agree, except that it'd only be a controversy if 1) Reid & co. allow it and 2) if Smith plays like trash. If Reid & co. name Smith the starter from day 1 then there's no controversy until #2 happens.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 10:06 AM
This version of KC (Reid/Dorsey) doesn't really have a history, at least not together.

Understood, but the 1st round DL busts and bums spans more than the last regime.

You have to go back to Neil Smith to find a DL that KC drafted in the 1st that was worth a crap.

Hog Farmer
03-15-2013, 10:11 AM
With these moves I think it paves the way for Shariff Floyd or Jarvis Jones to be our pick.

TEX
03-15-2013, 10:18 AM
Geoff Schwartz can also play guard if need be. He is a very good player. Problem was his hip that is fixed via surgery now. When healthy, he is Pro Bowl - caliber - by talent - not popular vote. Seriously, he is a good player. This guy could be the best value FA the Chiefs sign. I hope they get this guy.

ChiefGator
03-15-2013, 10:22 AM
With these moves I think it paves the way for Shariff Floyd or Jarvis Jones to be our pick.

I think these moves show they really do believe in BPA. They are trying to plug every gaping hole in the team before the draft, so they can stay true to their BPA philoshophy.

We are so used to holes in the team that last for years that none of us really believed in the BPA I think.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 10:29 AM
I can't believe people think we are going to draft a QB still. So basically we're gonna draft a QB 1st overall to be the 3rd string QB this year? ROFL

At this point....whomever we draft at #1 is going to be a backup player. And I totally don't see Reid and Dorsey drafting a RT at 1.1.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:34 AM
I agree, except that it'd only be a controversy if 1) Reid & co. allow it and 2) if Smith plays like trash. If Reid & co. name Smith the starter from day 1 then there's no controversy until #2 happens.

With the Geno-mania that I've witness around here along with the aura that a 1.1 QB naturally carries, I don't think we can count on a proclamation from Andy Reid quieting the calls for Geno from the start. But even if we can, Alex Smith would have to be outstanding right out of the gate to keep the controversy from raging. It's not enough for him to not play like trash, IMO. With a team bringing in a ton of new players and the first year of a new system, I think that's expecting a lot.

That said, if Andy Reid believes that Geno Smith can be this teams franchise QB in a year or two, he should definitely take him. I just don't think it's going to happen.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 10:36 AM
With the Geno-mania that I've witness around here along with the aura that a 1.1 QB naturally carries, I don't think we can count on a proclamation from Andy Reid quieting the calls for Geno from the start. But even if we can, Alex Smith would have to be outstanding right out of the gate to keep the controversy from raging. It's not enough for him to not play like trash, IMO. With a team bringing in a ton of new players and the first year of a new system, I think that's expecting a lot.

That said, if Andy Reid believes that Geno Smith can be this teams franchise QB in a year or two, he should definitely take him. I just don't think it's going to happen.

You don't think that's going to happen if we don't draft a QB and you have Chase Daniel sitting back there.

If Alex Smith plays average to below average in the first 8 games and we're sitting at 3-5 or 2-6.....you're going to hear people start calling for Chase to start.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:37 AM
Understood, but the 1st round DL busts and bums spans more than the last regime.

You have to go back to Neil Smith to find a DL that KC drafted in the 1st that was worth a crap.

Yeah, but none of that matters. The people who evaluated all those drafts are long gone. We don't have to go back nearly that far to find quality DL taken in the first round by Green Bay and Philadelphia. In general, DL seems to have a big bust factor, but doing without a DL isn't really an option either.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 10:38 AM
Yeah, but none of that matters. The people who evaluated all those drafts are long gone. We don't have to go back nearly that far to find quality DL taken in the first round by Green Bay and Philadelphia. In general, DL seems to have a big bust factor, but doing without a DL isn't really an option either.

And if we go DL at 1.1......he won't even start right away.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 10:38 AM
Yeah, but none of that matters. The people who evaluated all those drafts are long gone. We don't have to go back nearly that far to find quality DL taken in the first round by Green Bay and Philadelphia. In general, DL seems to have a big bust factor, but doing without a DL isn't really an option either.

Every position has a big bust factor.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:38 AM
You don't think that's going to happen if we don't draft a QB and you have Chase Daniel sitting back there.

If Alex Smith plays average to below average in the first 8 games and we're sitting at 3-5 or 2-6.....you're going to hear people start calling for Chase to start.

I don't think that will have nearly the impact that it would if the backup was also drafted 1.1. Chase Daniel is a local favorite because of his Mizzou ties, but otherwise, he's really just the typical "most popular guy in town" backup that every team has.

TEX
03-15-2013, 10:40 AM
I can't believe people think we are going to draft a QB still. So basically we're gonna draft a QB 1st overall to be the 3rd string QB this year? ROFL

Anythng is possible. What did Rogers do his first year in GB?

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:41 AM
Every position has a big bust factor.

True enough. But to the argument that KC has a particularly bad track record with DL, the answer is that the guys picking for KC this year aren't the same guys who made all those other picks.

Dayze
03-15-2013, 10:41 AM
I think they're banking on someone wanting to leapfrog Jax.
to trade down, and try to pick up a 2nd. Then take one of the 'other' QBs.


WAG on my part though.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 10:41 AM
And if we go DL at 1.1......he won't even start right away.

And that's my point, and I think yours as well Pestilence, regarding 1.1 and KC taking QB there.

It's ok to let a DL taken @ 1.1 to sit and learn, rotate in now and again to learn the position in the NFL.

But a QB taken @ 1.1 sitting and learning, getting into a few games late to learn the position in the NFL?!?! The Hell you say!!!

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 10:42 AM
The numbers have been posted by DaKCManAP in either this thread or another thread.....but if we drafted Geno.....all 3 of our QBs would have the cap hit of Joe Flacco.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:44 AM
And that's my point, and I think yours as well Pestilence, regarding 1.1 and KC taking QB there.

It's ok to let a DL taken @ 1.1 to sit and learn, rotate in now and again to learn the position in the NFL.

But a QB taken @ 1.1 sitting and learning, getting into a few games late to learn the position in the NFL?!?! The Hell you say!!!

A DL taken at 1.1 may or may not start, but he's almost certainly going to get plenty of snaps over the course of the season as a part of the rotation. We're talking about a QB at 1.1 who never sees the field. That doesn't happen in the modern NFL. (I'm not saying it can't happen, but it doesnt. And it's not the same as the DL scenario at all).

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 10:45 AM
True enough. But to the argument that KC has a particularly bad track record with DL, the answer is that the guys picking for KC this year aren't the same guys who made all those other picks.

Yep. And the guys picking for KC last year aren't the same guys who made the previous round of bust picks.

To me all that stuff is stupid. Past bust results aren't indicative of future busts. Just like the whole "USC QB = Bust" mantra. BS. If a prospect's a stud I don't care what school he played for or how that school's previous QBs turned out in the NFL.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 10:48 AM
A DL taken at 1.1 may or may not start, but he's almost certainly going to get plenty of snaps over the course of the season as a part of the rotation. We're talking about a QB at 1.1 who never sees the field. That doesn't happen in the modern NFL. (I'm not saying it can't happen, but it doesnt. And it's not the same as the DL scenario at all).

So tell me this then....

Say the Texans for some reason end up at 1.1 this year. Would it be ok for them to take Geno Smith and sit him for a year? They already have an established veteran QB with a decent salary who could realistically play for another 2-3 years. Would they need to take a DE/DT who would rotate in his 1st year? How about a RT?

RunKC
03-15-2013, 10:48 AM
The biggest need on this team is the pass rush. I would love Dion Jordan here. He's going to be a beast.

crazycoffey
03-15-2013, 10:49 AM
The numbers have been posted by DaKCManAP in either this thread or another thread.....but if we drafted Geno.....all 3 of our QBs would have the cap hit of Joe Flacco.

Pretty cool tidbit. I say draft your QB. Said all along I don't want all our eggs in one basket. Get a starter. A vet back up and draft your guy. I want options.

Bowser
03-15-2013, 10:54 AM
I'll ask again - Is there some law that a team, particularly the Chiefs, can't be stacked at the QB position?

If they sign this guy, and I really hope they do, then Dorsey and Reid have done nearly the impossible by making the first overall pick in the draft for a team that won 2 games the year before a near luxury draft pick. Why WOULDN'T they pick a talented quarterback that would benefit by watching the NFL game from the bench for a season?

Easy 6
03-15-2013, 11:00 AM
Wow, these guys arent jacking around, what a nice get, it really gives them leeway in the draft.

And no one has found a single thing to bitch about with this guy, that may be the most amazing thing about it.

Dudes freakin huge
When he plays his teams run game spikes upward
Is considered pro bowl caliber
Versatile, plays two spots at a high level
Veteran, no learning curve
He's Samson re-incarnate, bain of philistines everywhere

KEEP DOUBTING THE WALRUS

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 11:00 AM
I think he has some weight control issues.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:00 AM
The biggest need on this team is the pass rush. I would love Dion Jordan here. He's going to be a beast.

Barring the removal of Hali from our roster, Jordan would be at most a situational player for KC in 2013.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:01 AM
Yep. And the guys picking for KC last year aren't the same guys who made the previous round of bust picks.

To me all that stuff is stupid. Past bust results aren't indicative of future busts. Just like the whole "USC QB = Bust" mantra. BS. If a prospect's a stud I don't care what school he played for or how that school's previous QBs turned out in the NFL.

:thumb:

Shag
03-15-2013, 11:03 AM
Unless the rules have changed in the past year or two, keeping only 2 QBs active effectively gives you an extra active roster spot because the 3rd QB can still be an emergency QB (once he goes in the game the first 2 QBs can't return though, iirc).

Pretty sure they expanded the active roster by 1 player, and eliminated the emergency QB concept a couple years ago...

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:04 AM
DaKCMan AP's glue-sniffing scenario:

Draft Geno @ 1.1 and sit him for a year.
Start Alex Smith who has a Pro Bowl (either #3 QB or alternate) season.
In 2014 offseason trade Alex Smith for multiple picks (including 2nd rounder) a la AJ Feely & Kevin Kolb.

Profit.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:05 AM
So tell me this then....

Say the Texans for some reason end up at 1.1 this year. Would it be ok for them to take Geno Smith and sit him for a year? They already have an established veteran QB with a decent salary who could realistically play for another 2-3 years. Would they need to take a DE/DT who would rotate in his 1st year? How about a RT?

It would be OK with me. I think that if they took QB with 1.1, they'd be in for a QB controversy, but if they're willing to deal with that, it's no skin off of my back.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:06 AM
Pretty sure they expanded the active roster by 1 player, and eliminated the emergency QB concept a couple years ago...

Thanks. I had a vague feeling that the rule had changed, but I wasn't sure. In that case, DaKCMan's concern about the wisdom of only suiting up 2 QBs is a lot more valid.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:06 AM
Fuck this QB controversy bullshit.

If we draft Geno Smith at 1.1 and Alex Smith is playing horrible by Week 10 or 11....why shouldn't he be replaced?

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:14 AM
The biggest need on this team is the pass rush. I would love Dion Jordan here. He's going to be a beast.

Wrong type of pass rush.

I'm less concerned with beefing up our 3rd down/sub package pass rush. I want a 1st and 2nd down pass rush. What makes teams like the 49ers so filthy is that you can't just pass in running downs against them and expect to get time in the pocket; Justin Smith will absolutely !@#$ you up if you try that.

Jordan's a sub package player for 2 years. His impact will be felt in nickel formations when teams go 3-wide against us and on 3rd downs.

I'd rather have someone like Floyd, Richardson or Mingo; guys that are on the field all 3 downs and can make a difference on first down both in terms of production and game-planning from offenses.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:14 AM
Alex Smith is 3 and 16 in games he throws the ball as much as Reid wants to.

It would be grossly irresponsible to go into the season with Alex Smith, Daniels and Stanzi when we can draft Geno.

Mark this down...if they pass on Geno at 1, that decision will ultimately get these guys fired.

jimw51
03-15-2013, 11:17 AM
On the dl the someone that can get some push up the middle. Don't care who it is.

MrGiggity
03-15-2013, 11:18 AM
Alex Smith is 3 and 16 in games he throws the ball as much as Reid wants to.

It would be grossly irresponsible to go into the season with Reid, Daniels and Stanzi when we can draft Geno.

Mark this down...if they pass on Geno at 1, that decision will ultimately get these guys fired.

I wouldn't mind Reid at QB if he can throw. Defenders sure as shit wouldn't be able to tackle him

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:20 AM
I wouldn't mind Reid at QB if he can throw. Defenders sure as shit wouldn't be able to tackle him

I see what you did there.

Chiefaholic
03-15-2013, 11:20 AM
Alex Smith 8.5m

Chase Daniel 3.5m

That's how.

Both of their combined salaries along with the projected #1 overall would still be less than most starting franchise QB's.
http://www.overthecap.com/rookiepool.php?Team=Chiefs

Messier
03-15-2013, 11:21 AM
Alex Smith is 3 and 16 in games he throws the ball as much as Reid wants to.

It would be grossly irresponsible to go into the season with Reid, Daniels and Stanzi when we can draft Geno.

Mark this down...if they pass on Geno at 1, that decision will ultimately get these guys fired.


What are his numbers with say two fewer passes than Reid will want him to throw? Maybe he can get there and stop, and have more wins :rolleyes:

MrGiggity
03-15-2013, 11:22 AM
I see what you did there.

:p Just busting your caaaack

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:23 AM
Both of their combined salaries along with the projected #1 overall would still be less than most starting franchise QB's.
http://www.overthecap.com/rookiepool.php?Team=Chiefs

Alex Smith - $8.5 million
Chase Daniel - $3.5 million
Geno Smith - $4 million

$16 million total.

Joe Flacco = $20 million.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:25 AM
Alex Smith - $8.5 million
Chase Daniel - $3.5 million
Geno Smith - $4 million

$16 million total.

Joe Flacco = $20 million.

I don't believe that's an accurate # for Daniel's cap hit.

His base in 2013 is 750K and his signing bonus is $3 million. That only adds up to a $1.75 million cap hit there year from where I sit.

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:27 AM
Alex Smith - $8.5 million
Chase Daniel - $3.5 million
Geno Smith - $4 million

$16 million total.

Joe Flacco = $20 million.

The best part is this argument that the Chiefs are the ONLY team who has to factor in three QB salaries. What about the other teams' backups? You have to account for those as well.

I don't believe that's an accurate # for Daniel's cap hit.

His base in 2013 is 750K and his signing bonus is $3 million. That only adds up to a $1.75 million cap hit there year from where I sit.

Ding ding ding!

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:27 AM
Maybe Reid wants to take Geno at one, but also wants to win right away with the talent we have....a smart personnel man drafts Geno at 1.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:28 AM
I don't believe that's an accurate # for Daniel's cap hit.

His base in 2013 is 750K and his signing bonus is $3 million. That only adds up to a $1.75 million cap hit there year from where I sit.

I thought I read somewhere that his signing bonus was all in year 1....but that was more than likely wrong.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:29 AM
Alex Smith - $8.5 million
Chase Daniel - $1.75 million
Geno Smith - $4 million

$14.25 million total.

Joe Flacco = $20 million.

Fixed.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:31 AM
I thought I read somewhere that his signing bonus was all in year 1....but that was more than likely wrong.

Thought I read that too, but here it lists his 2013 cap hit as 1.8m.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/chase-daniel/

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:33 AM
I thought I read somewhere that his signing bonus was all in year 1....but that was more than likely wrong.

I hadn't read that, but I had no idea that could even be done.

My understanding was that a signing bonus is spread over the life of the deal - period but that an annual workout bonus accrues when earned.

But I'm often full of shit, this may be no different.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:33 AM
If we trade out and don't take Geno, we better get a first next year and still have a pick in the top 10 this year.

Minimum.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:33 AM
Thought I read that too, but here it lists his 2013 cap hit as 1.8m.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/chase-daniel/

Yeah - $50k workout bonus I forgot to factor in.

The $1.8 makes more sense to me, with my standard "I'm often full of shit" caveat applied.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:33 AM
So then it's even easier to handle his contract.

Because the cap hit for all three QBs go from $14.25 in 2013 to $17.4 in 2014. Trade or release Alex Smith and you're paying $8.4 million to both Daniel and Geno.

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:34 AM
Fixed.

That's about where it should be for one franchise QB and two backups. And I would argue that it's BETTER than the high salary cap figures for a single QB. This is much more manageable, in that you can get out from any of these contracts when one guy ascends.

To me, this is just hedging our bets.

Bewbies
03-15-2013, 11:35 AM
Alex Smith is 3 and 16 in games he throws the ball as much as Reid wants to.

It would be grossly irresponsible to go into the season with Alex Smith, Daniels and Stanzi when we can draft Geno.

Mark this down...if they pass on Geno at 1, that decision will ultimately get these guys fired.

Yup, just like the offices that drafted Mario Williams and Jake Long...

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:36 AM
So:
Alex Smith 8.5m
Chase Daniel 1.8m
Geno Smith 4m (Andrew Luck was 4.02 last year)

Team Total = 14.3m

Individual Quarterback 2013 cap hits:
Eli Manning 20.85m
Peyton Manning 20m
Drew Brees 17.4m
Phillip Rivers 17.11m
Tony Romo 16.818m
Carson Palmer 15.335m
Tom Brady 13.8m
Ben Roethlisberger 13.6m

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:36 AM
I hadn't read that, but I had no idea that could even be done.

My understanding was that a signing bonus is spread over the life of the deal - period but that an annual workout bonus accrues when earned.

But I'm often full of shit, this may be no different.

You can amortize the signing bonus over the life of the contract, but you don't have to. You could call it a "roster bonus" which isn't amortized, IIRC.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:36 AM
So then it's even easier to handle his contract.

Because the cap hit for all three QBs go from $14.25 in 2013 to $17.4 in 2014. Trade or release Alex Smith and you're paying $8.4 million to both Daniel and Geno.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the finances will keep us from taking Geno, so I'm not sure why we're banging this drum so hard.

You're right, there's room in the budget for Geno Smith. The question is exclusively one of asset allocation.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:36 AM
So then it's even easier to handle his contract.

Because the cap hit for all three QBs go from $14.25 in 2013 to $16.9. Trade or release Alex Smith and you're paying $8.4 million to both Daniel and Geno.

And if Alex Smith plays well, it's not like teams wouldn't want Geno Smith in a trade in the next couple years.

With serious questions with both Alex and Geno, having both on board would be brilliant.

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:37 AM
So:
Alex Smith 8.5m
Chase Daniel 1.8m
Geno Smith 4m (Andrew Luck was 4.02 last year)

Team Total = 14.3m

Individual Quarterback 2013 cap hits:
Eli Manning 20.85m
Peyton Manning 20m
Drew Brees 17.4m
Phillip Rivers 17.11m
Tony Romo 16.818m
Carson Palmer 15.335m
Tom Brady 13.8m
Ben Roethlisberger 13.6m

Get ready to add Aaron Rodgers 80 bajillion to that list...

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:37 AM
You can amortize the signing bonus over the life of the contract, but you don't have to. You could call it a "roster bonus" which isn't amortized, IIRC.

That's what I thought (I said workout bonus; roster bonus is the same).

A standard signing bonus, as I understand it, is amortized. However, if you want the same impact accelerated onto this year's cap, you'd call it a roster bonus or a workout bonus.

I've seen nothing to suggest that this is how the Chiefs structured it. Frankly, it'd be a little crazy to do so given the flat cap.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:38 AM
Get ready to add Aaron Rodgers 80 bajillion to that list...

Not necessarily. Flacco is only a 6.8m cap hit for 2013. In 2014 it escalates to 14.8m. But in 2016 & beyond it's an insane 28m+. Can you say re-structure?

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:39 AM
I don't think anyone is arguing that the finances will keep us from taking Geno, so I'm not sure why we're banging this drum so hard.

You're right, there's room in the budget for Geno Smith. The question is exclusively one of asset allocation.

And that's where it comes back to the ultimate bottom line. They have to decide which they value more.....Geno Smith or the trade offer they receive.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:40 AM
They are talking about this on NFL am right now.

Jamie dukes said "this is a smart and strategic move for Andy Reid to hedge his bets" "you have to love the way Alex Smith handled the situation last year"

I turned the channel in mid conversation...but Dukes was obviously talking about the Chiefs not being done at QB.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:41 AM
That Flacco deal is just hideous.

I would honestly rather be in the position where we are with Alex Smith and no 2nd round pick than where the Ravens are with Joe Flacco and a looming death sentence.

Well, in a vacuum. Obviously I'd rather be coming off a SB win and have to deal with Joe Flacco in 2016 than where the Chiefs are right now, but going forward, I just cannot fathom how the Ravens will do anything but suck.

ArrowheadMagic
03-15-2013, 11:42 AM
So then it's even easier to handle his contract.

Because the cap hit for all three QBs go from $14.25 in 2013 to $17.4 in 2014. Trade or release Alex Smith and you're paying $8.4 million to both Daniel and Geno.

Nothing they have done so far prohibits us from drafting a QB at 1.1. Chiefs will take 5 QB's to camp, I would imagine. So they still need another. Where they get it from is the unknown. The holes they are filling thru FA are positions you typically see 2nd rd picks used on. But its all just guessing and wishing

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:42 AM
They are talking about this on NFL am right now.

Jamie dukes said "this is a smart and strategic move for Andy Reid to hedge his bets" "you have to love the way Alex Smith handled the situation last year"

I turned the channel in mid conversation...but Dukes was obviously talking about the Chiefs not being done at QB.

If they don't get a huge trade down offer.....it'd be the ultimate "cover your ass" move. Alex Smith sucks? You've got Geno. Alex Smith is good? You can let Geno sit for another year or you can trade Alex Smith and get a pick?

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:43 AM
"That's a huge reason HE'S THERE and NOT SOMEONE ELSE."

I really hope they replay the segment.

It was on the "say what?" Segment.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:43 AM
And that's where it comes back to the ultimate bottom line. They have to decide which they value more.....Geno Smith or the trade offer they receive.

Exactly.

So, having seen now what Reid and Dorsey have been up to, are you more willing to grant them some deference on their decision at this point?

Where I am is simple - if they stay at 1.1 and take Luke Joeckel, I'm going to set the !@#$ing building on fire. If they take Geno or execute a solid trade down, I'll defer to their experience and trust that they'll have made a good decision.

I think that's pretty fair.

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:44 AM
And that's where it comes back to the ultimate bottom line. They have to decide which they value more.....Geno Smith or the trade offer they receive.

If they get a sick trade offer including a first next year, then I am sadly going to be okay with taking it.

:(

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:44 AM
Exactly.

So, having seen now what Reid and Dorsey have been up to, are you more willing to grant them some deference on their decision at this point?

Where I am is simple - if they stay at 1.1 and take Luke Joeckel, I'm going to set the !@#$ing building on fire. If they take Geno or execute a solid trade down, I'll defer to their experience and trust that they'll have made a good decision.

I think that's pretty fair.

Oh I'm fine with either a trade down or Geno Smith. I have been since the Alex Smith trade.

What I don't want to see is them drafting a DE/DT or an OT at 1.1. That's horrible fucking value.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:45 AM
That Flacco deal is just hideous.

I would honestly rather be in the position where we are with Alex Smith and no 2nd round pick than where the Ravens are with Joe Flacco and a looming death sentence.

Well, in a vacuum. Obviously I'd rather be coming off a SB win and have to deal with Joe Flacco in 2016 than where the Chiefs are right now, but going forward, I just cannot fathom how the Ravens will do anything but suck.

Going forward immediately, IMO.

2012 roster departures:
Ed Reed (likely)
Ray Lewis
Dannell Ellerbe
Paul Kruger
Anquan Boldin
Bryant McKinney (likely)
Bernard Pollard
Cary Williams
Bobbie Williams

2013 additons:
Chris Canty

I mean, Ozzie Newson is a geat GM.. but JFC.

KCrockaholic
03-15-2013, 11:45 AM
Let's go. Let's get the Geno train rolling again.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:45 AM
And I've also stated that if they take Geno Smith at 1.1.....they have the liberty to do whatever the fuck they want to do with the rest of those draft picks.

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:46 AM
Please god let the plan be for Geno to be KC's answer to Aaron Rodgers. I don't care if he sits for two freaking years. Play him when he's ready. And it will be so glorious.

saphojunkie
03-15-2013, 11:47 AM
And I've also stated that if they take Geno Smith at 1.1.....they have the liberty to do whatever the **** they want to do with the rest of the decade.

My version.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:48 AM
"If the team comes out and struggles early, and they could because they only won 2 games last year, Alex is the kind of guy that can handle being moved (talking about him being benched)"

"You can't play mini ball (Alex GamemanagerSmith) and be effective. That's why Harbaugh moved to Kaepernick"

There's a lot of backup guys that catch lightening in a bottle...that's what quality backups are...even Matt Cassel did that. The team he was on had 15 first round draft choices on it. When he was a free agent, NOBODY was chomping at the bit for him and the league knows what they have with him. They recognized he is at his ceiling"

After rewinding the DVD as far back as when I changed to nfln, that's all the quotes I got.

aturnis
03-15-2013, 11:50 AM
A year or two ago, some of us wanted Schwartz hard, glad to see we're getting a second chance here.

nychief
03-15-2013, 11:50 AM
Wow...we're really talking ourselves back in to believing that we are drafting Geno?

This is masochist behavior.

Chase Daniel just got 9 mil... they aint drafting Geno, and if they do, they are trading him.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:51 AM
Wow...we're really talking ourselves back in to believing that we are drafting Geno?

This is masochist behavior.

Chase Daniel just got 9 mil... they aint drafting Geno, and if they do, they are trading him.

All 3 QBs would equal less than what Flacco is getting paid. Money is not a fucking issue.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 11:51 AM
Going forward immediately, IMO.

2012 roster departures:
Ed Reed (likely)
Ray Lewis
Dannell Ellerbe
Paul Kruger
Anquan Boldin
Bryant McKinney (likely)
Bernard Pollard
Cary Williams
Bobbie Williams

2013 additons:
Chris Canty

I mean, Ozzie Newson is a geat GM.. but JFC.

If you're going to pull the band-aid off, might as well do it quickly.

Credit to Newsome, though - he's doing a great job of doing what has to be done. The worst thing he could do is chase guys that are getting that SB bump in FA. That would prolong the inevitable decline that comes on the heels of long winning eras.

Right now he has the glow of a SB on him and his fans. They'll be elated for 2 years. Get your house in order by not overpaying for guys, let the roster atrophy a little and then rebuild in a few seasons. Hell, by then Flacco won't have the luster he has now and you can re-structure his deal to reasonable terms.

I'm not saying they had much of a choice, but yeah, they're going to be bad soon and they'll need to go through an extensive rebuild. At least for them, their rebuild came after a championship and didn't waste the primes of half the team's best players.

Fuck you, Scooter.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:52 AM
If you're going to pull the band-aid off, might as well do it quickly.

Credit to Newsome, though - he's doing a great job of doing what has to be done. The worst thing he could do is chase guys that are getting that SB bump in FA. That would prolong the inevitable decline that comes on the heels of long winning eras.

Right now he has the glow of a SB on him and his fans. They'll be elated for 2 years. Get your house in order by not overpaying for guys, let the roster atrophy a little and then rebuild in a few seasons. Hell, by then Flacco won't have the luster he has now and you can re-structure his deal to reasonable terms.

I'm not saying they had much of a choice, but yeah, they're going to be bad soon and they'll need to go through an extensive rebuild. At least for them, their rebuild came after a championship and didn't waste the primes of half the team's best players.

Fuck you, Scooter.

Exactly why they can do it. A SB win will placate the fans for 1-2 seasons.

nychief
03-15-2013, 11:52 AM
All 3 QBs would equal less than what Flacco is getting paid. Money is not a ****ing issue.


They didn't bring Chase in to be a 3rd. This is wishful thinking, fellas. I know it hurts, but let Geno go...

Fat Elvis
03-15-2013, 11:53 AM
If you're going to pull the band-aid off, might as well do it quickly.

Credit to Newsome, though - he's doing a great job of doing what has to be done. The worst thing he could do is chase guys that are getting that SB bump in FA. That would prolong the inevitable decline that comes on the heels of long winning eras.

Right now he has the glow of a SB on him and his fans. They'll be elated for 2 years. Get your house in order by not overpaying for guys, let the roster atrophy a little and then rebuild in a few seasons. Hell, by then Flacco won't have the luster he has now and you can re-structure his deal to reasonable terms.

I'm not saying they had much of a choice, but yeah, they're going to be bad soon and they'll need to go through an extensive rebuild. At least for them, their rebuild came after a championship and didn't waste the primes of half the team's best players.

**** you, Scooter.

It is what they did after their last SB victory. Apparently it is a recipe for success....

booger
03-15-2013, 11:53 AM
Asamoah has played LG too. Could plug this dude in at RG and flip Asamoah back to LG

suds79
03-15-2013, 11:54 AM
Asamoah has played LG too. Could plug this dude in at RG and flip Asamoah back to LG

Anything to get Allen off the field.

That guy was awful from what I saw.

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 11:54 AM
They didn't bring Chase in to be a 3rd. This is wishful thinking, fellas. I know it hurts, but let Geno go...

You do know that Chase's contract voids after 1 year if throws for more than 2000 yards or 12 TDs....correct?

And Alex Smith has only ever played a full season....twice in his career....correct?

booger
03-15-2013, 11:56 AM
Anything to get Allen off the field.

That guy was awful from what I saw.

Hopefully he looks better at OT

booger
03-15-2013, 11:57 AM
Hell, they could put Asamoah at C and Hudson back at LG depending on how the new staff views things

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 11:58 AM
It is what they did after their last SB victory. Apparently it is a recipe for success....

If you're happy with 1 success every 13 years in which two cornerstones of both successes are two 1st ballot HOFers and neither is a QB.

I realize the Chiefs haven't had that success in 40+ years, but I'd rather build my team differently where they can rip off 2 or 3 SBs or SB appearances in a 4-5 year span (see: NE, NYG, Indy, Pit).

patteeu
03-15-2013, 12:02 PM
Wow...we're really talking ourselves back in to believing that we are drafting Geno?

This is masochist behavior.

Chase Daniel just got 9 mil... they aint drafting Geno, and if they do, they are trading him.

Good heavens, can you imagine this place if they draft Geno and then turn around and trade him. That would be such an awesome rollercoaster ride on ChiefsPlanet that it's almost my favorite possibility just based on the people watching factor.

tyton75
03-15-2013, 12:03 PM
Have we OFFICIALLY signed this dude yet?

silver5liter
03-15-2013, 12:07 PM
Wow...we're really talking ourselves back in to believing that we are drafting Geno?

This is masochist behavior.

Chase Daniel just got 9 mil... they aint drafting Geno, and if they do, they are trading him.

Daniel's deal is worked to where it can basically be a one year deal if we wanted to cut him

silver5liter
03-15-2013, 12:07 PM
Have we OFFICIALLY signed this dude yet?

No clue, but its a good sign that Schartz himself retweeted that tweet from schefter saying hes expected to sign lol

Dicky McElephant
03-15-2013, 12:07 PM
Daniel's deal is worked to where it can basically be a one year deal if we wanted to cut him

No...it's not. It's a 1 year deal if Chase wants to void it.

Chief_For_Life58
03-15-2013, 12:11 PM
If you're happy with 1 success every 13 years in which two cornerstones of both successes are two 1st ballot HOFers and neither is a QB.

I realize the Chiefs haven't had that success in 40+ years, but I'd rather build my team differently where they can rip off 2 or 3 SBs or SB appearances in a 4-5 year span (see: ur mom).

.

Bowser
03-15-2013, 12:14 PM
They didn't bring Chase in to be a 3rd. This is wishful thinking, fellas. I know it hurts, but let Geno go...

Let him win the spot. He doesn't have to be given any damn thing.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-15-2013, 12:18 PM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

#Chiefs have signed OT/OG Geoff Schwartz.

ChiefsandO'sfan
03-15-2013, 12:19 PM
NFL: AroundTheLeague ‏@NFL_ATL

Solid pickup RT @GeoffSchwartz76: Excited to officially be a new member of the @kcchiefs!

The Poz
03-15-2013, 12:20 PM
Geoff Schwartz ‏@GeoffSchwartz76
Excited to officially be a new member of the @kcchiefs!

tyton75
03-15-2013, 12:20 PM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

#Chiefs have signed OT/OG Geoff Schwartz.

thats what I was waiting for! now I'm not afraid to get excited.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 12:20 PM
God Bless us, everyone!

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

#Chiefs have signed OT/OG Geoff Schwartz.

:clap: PBJ :clap: PBJ :clap: PBJ :clap: PBJ