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Hoover
03-15-2013, 07:48 AM
It was just a matter of time. Obviously the Chiefs don't need him :rolleyes: but they are helping create a market for a trade.

Apparently Jaws loves the kid.

Direckshun
03-15-2013, 07:49 AM
Jaws said he'd have no problem with trading into the 1st for Geno.

Said he put 40 yard passes right on the money. And that he made a couple throws that made folks gasp.

Douche Baggins
03-15-2013, 07:50 AM
The velocity of his throws in that pro day video were apparent.

:(

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 07:51 AM
We need this prick!

Strongside
03-15-2013, 07:51 AM
DIS IS BULLSHEET.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 07:51 AM
Take him anyways.....just to fuck with Kiper.

Deberg_1990
03-15-2013, 07:55 AM
Makes you wonder if Reid/Dorsey had ever heard of him before they even came to KC? They appeared to have Blinders for A. Smith ever since they set foot in KC.

Mr. Kotter
03-15-2013, 07:55 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=9053355&type=story


Thursday, March 14, 2013
Smith headed for the top 10 overall?

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West Virginia held its pro day Thursday, and despite all the positive buzz surrounding Mountaineers WR Tavon Austin (more on that later), it was QB Geno Smith who was the main attraction.


Smith came into the scripted, 62-pass session put together by former NFL QB Chris Weinke looking to back up a solid showing at the NFL combine, and he did just that.

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What stood out most to me was the velocity and accuracy Smith showed on intermediate throws, which is something you see consistently on tape. He looked perfect on seam routes, throwing with low trajectory and good zip, and putting the ball right on the money.


I also saw more consistent velocity and accuracy on deep outs and vertical throws toward the boundary, but just like on film, Smith was not quite as sharp in that area as elsewhere and missed within the strike zone at times. He said when I spoke with him after the workout that there were some deeper throws he would have liked to put closer to the sideline, throws that caused his receivers to have to gear down or come back to the inside a bit.
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However, Smith does appear to have worked on his posture in the pocket, being more erect with his upper body while still maintaining balance and bend in his knees. That led to a little more consistency and zip on those deeper throws than we see on tape. It's just a small tweak, but in this kind of controlled environment it paid off.


Smith also showed the quick feet and compact delivery I expected to see, showcasing his smooth throwing motion. He gets the ball out in a hurry, is very accurate when throwing over the middle of the field and looked good on shorter throws, as well. He also displayed the ability to throw when moved off-platform and with different arm angles.


There is some work to be done in terms of being more mechanically sound and relaxed with his feet in the pocket, but Smith has the frame (6-foot-2⅜, 217 pounds), size potential, mobility, arm, short-to-intermediate accuracy and drive/work ethic to be a good NFL starter.


Smith has now aced the first two tests of the predraft process, and now his ultimate draft position will be determined by how he performs in private workouts and interview sessions with NFL teams that bring him into their facilities.


The first goal of those sessions is to get him out of his scripted comfort zone when working out, to see how Smith handles throws specific to a team's offense and being asked to react when things are mixed up.

The second is to watch film with him, to have an installation session that requires him to ingest and regurgitate a portion of the playbook, then get him on the whiteboard to see how well he retains and processes the information. Basically, to test his football IQ.


What he shows in those areas will go a long way toward determining his ultimate draft fate. I have a late-first-round grade on Smith, but based on conversations with people around the league it seems more and more likely that he won't make it out of the top 10 overall picks.


Arizona (No. 7) and Buffalo (No. 8) both have a primary need at quarterback. Bills GM Buddy Nix was in attendance Thursday, and Smith already has a workout scheduled with the team on March 22.

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And don't read too much into the fact the Cardinals were not represented Thursday in Morgantown. They might be feigning disinterest, they might be legitimately disinterested, or they might believe (as many teams and scouts, including yours truly, do) that pro days are so scripted and controlled that they're better off waiting for their own private workout.


Plenty of other teams in the top 10 have a secondary need at quarterback, including the Eagles (No. 4), who brought head coach Chip Kelly, owner Jeffrey Lurie and GM Howie Roseman put Smith through a workout on Monday. On Wednesday, Smith met with two undisclosed teams. Throw in Jacksonville (No. 2), Oakland (No. 3) and the Jets (No. 9), and there could be plenty of competition for Smith's services.


Now that he's showcased his physical skills twice and seemingly met the on-field standard for teams, it takes only one to fall in love with his intangibles and handling of the process for Smith to come off the board early in the first.

Strongside
03-15-2013, 07:55 AM
If we keep picking up FA's, we can afford a luxury pick at 1.1. In that case, it HAS to be Geno. Chase Daniel in the building is a JIMP for Mizzou fans, but I say we get three guys in here to compete and let the chips fall where they may.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 07:56 AM
Take him anyways.....just to **** with Kiper.

That, and it is morally wrong to take a OT #1. Just sick and wrong...

Molitoth
03-15-2013, 07:58 AM
If we keep picking up FA's, we can afford a luxury pick at 1.1. In that case, it HAS to be Geno. Chase Daniel in the building is a JIMP for Mizzou fans, but I say we get three guys in here to compete and let the chips fall where they may.

Sure would be nice, but this regime won't want to pressure their beloved Alex Smith like that.
By giving up that kind of compensation, Alex Smith is the face of this franchise for the next 2-3 years at least. This will be Polio/Cassel all over again, lets hope the results are WAY better, and not 8-8 better.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:01 AM
Sure would be nice, but this regime won't want to pressure their beloved Alex Smith like that.

There wouldn't be any pressure because Reid would name Alex his starter for 2013. Geno would get a year to sit.

RunKC
03-15-2013, 08:06 AM
Good. Trade with a desperate team and get a boat load of picks. Win.

Frazod
03-15-2013, 08:06 AM
If we can't trade the pick, draft him and then rape the fuck out of another team desperate for a QB.

Molitoth
03-15-2013, 08:08 AM
If we can't trade the pick, draft him and then rape the **** out of another team desperate for a QB.

The Chiefs are desperate for a QB, may as well just keep him. =P

Bewbies
03-15-2013, 08:09 AM
Or draft him in the hopes he rapes the team you play each week....

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 08:09 AM
For the record, SNR, Pestilence, myself and others said this is exactly what would happen.

As soon as the Chiefs were no longer considered serious suitors for a QB, he'd rocket up the boards.

He'll go 1.1 unless Reid and Dorsey go full retard and decide they must have Luke Joeckel.

nychief
03-15-2013, 08:11 AM
For the record, SNR, Pestilence, myself and others said this is exactly what would happen.

As soon as the Chiefs were no longer considered serious suitors for a QB, he'd rocket up the boards.

He'll go 1.1 unless Reid and Dorsey go full retard and decide they must have Luke Joeckel.



Yes... it is VAST media conspiracy to keep the Chiefs from ever having a franchise QB.

Molitoth
03-15-2013, 08:14 AM
Yes... it is VAST media conspiracy to keep the Chiefs from ever having a franchise QB.

I don't think that's what he was implying at all. Guess again.


Everyone in America KNOWS that the Chiefs go after Retread QB's and do not draft their own.... therefore there wasn't much a of a story to write about Geno going #1 overall to the Chiefs. Now that the Chiefs have their QB's set, there is possibility of Geno working his way up to #1 (via trade?) for a team with greater national presence than the KC Chiefs. This makes a better story, and makes more sense... so you are going to see it in Mocks and media publicity.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:14 AM
This has a 1% chance of happening......but it still makes sense.

1. You have your Veteran QB that will be the starter in 2013.
2. You have a capable backup who has a clause in his contract that states that if he throws for more than 12 TDs or 2000 yards...his contract will void.
3. You draft your QBoTF and he gets to sit a year to get knowledge from the starter, OC, QB coach and HC.

At the end of 2013.....you can realistically cut or trade Alex Smith if Geno is ready. You'd have Chase as his backup. Or if Alex got injured and Chase had to play....it would pretty much void his contract after thisyear. You would ggointo 2014 with Geno Smith and either one of the other two.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:16 AM
The 'pimping of Geno' has finally begun as expected and it will only get bigger these next 6 weeks which only favors the Chiefs. The Chiefs either select him to develop into our QBOTF or select him and trade or trade out with some team that doesn't trust the Jags NOT to take him. Hell, maybe the Jags don't trust those teams behind them NOT to swap out with the Chiefs and will swap with the Chiefs and the Chiefs recoup their 2nd IF they don't want Geno:shrug:

This is good:clap:

Deberg_1990
03-15-2013, 08:16 AM
If the Chiefs draft him and let him sit for a year or so, id be completely cool with that.

Fish
03-15-2013, 08:17 AM
Yes... it is VAST media conspiracy to keep the Chiefs from ever having a franchise QB.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just pointing out the fact that the majority of the media are clueless idiots that piggyback each other's bad opinions.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:18 AM
Sure would be nice, but this regime won't want to pressure their beloved Alex Smith like that.
By giving up that kind of compensation, Alex Smith is the face of this franchise for the next 2-3 years at least. This will be Polio/Cassel all over again, lets hope the results are WAY better, and not 8-8 better.

It's the NFL and Alex is a big boy now. COMPETE or GTFO !!:rolleyes:

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 08:19 AM
I don't think that's what he was implying at all. Guess again.


Everyone in America KNOWS that the Chiefs go after Retread QB's and do not draft their own.... therefore there wasn't much a of a story to write about Geno going #1 overall to the Chiefs. Now that the Chiefs have their QB's set, there is possibility of Geno working his way up to #1 (via trade?) for a team with greater national presence than the KC Chiefs. This makes a better story, and makes more sense... so you are going to see it in Mocks and media publicity.

And the Chiefs are a flyover team that isn't a glamour pick at all.

The media just doesn't give a flying shit about the Chiefs so they weren't viewing this QB class objectively. Granted, if it were Luck sitting there, they'd have still crowed about him but if there was anyone that wasn't a generational guy, he was going to be undersold as 'not worth the pick' because what fun is having a team like the Chiefs take the 'big' pick of the draft?

It wasn't a media conspiracy, it was standard, predictable laziness on the part of ESPN and their talking heads.

bevischief
03-15-2013, 08:20 AM
Jets, Raiders among teams showing interest in Geno Smith
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2013, 7:05 AM EDT
Geno Smith AP

Geno Smith threw well at West Virginia’s Pro Day, and talk is increasing that he’s going to be not just the first quarterback taken but one of the first players off the board at any position. And we can add the Jets and the Raiders to the list of the teams believed to be interested.

The Newark Star-Ledger says the Jets have interest in Smith, while the Contra Costa Times suggests the Raiders are interested in drafting Smith.

Previous reports have suggested that the Jaguars are interested, and the Eagles sent a contingent to West Virginia to get a private workout with Smith.

The Jaguars have the second overall pick, the Raiders have the third, the Eagles have the fourth and the Jets have the ninth. From all indications, Smith won’t be getting out of the Top 10.

And if there’s some other team out there that really loves Smith, that team may need to start thinking about placing a call to the Chiefs.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:20 AM
If Alex is such a bitch that he can't handle this team drafting for the future.....then he can go some place else.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:21 AM
If Alex is such a bitch that he can't handle this team drafting for the future.....then he can go some place else.

My thoughts exactly:clap:

ChiefsCountry
03-15-2013, 08:24 AM
Wait till Barkley throws, then we will have a two man race.
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Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:27 AM
Wait till Barkley throws, then we will have a two man race.
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Also a possibility that Barkley has been their guy the entire time.

suds79
03-15-2013, 08:27 AM
Wait till Barkley throws, then we will have a two man race.
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Think that would actually hurt our value.

You'd get better value if teams all round believe there is just 1 guy to go get.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 08:28 AM
Wait till Barkley throws, then we will have a two man race.
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No

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:29 AM
It's the NFL and Alex is a big boy now. COMPETE or GTFO !!:rolleyes:

He did. He lost.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:34 AM
He did. He lost.

ROFL

BossChief
03-15-2013, 08:35 AM
If we don't take Geno at 1, we won't have a chance to draft a better qb for at least 4 or 5 years.

KC Tattoo
03-15-2013, 08:36 AM
I don't think that's what he was implying at all. Guess again.


Everyone in America KNOWS that the Chiefs go after Retread QB's and do not draft their own.... therefore there wasn't much a of a story to write about Geno going #1 overall to the Chiefs. Now that the Chiefs have their QB's set, there is possibility of Geno working his way up to #1 (via trade?) for a team with greater national presence than the KC Chiefs. This makes a better story, and makes more sense... so you are going to see it in Mocks and media publicity.

Quarterbacks sell tv stock OL don't going to the first pick of the draft. Why is that? Well it's because the quarterback just happens to be the most important player on the team but lets not get one if your the Chiefs.

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Molitoth
03-15-2013, 08:36 AM
If we don't take Geno at 1, we won't have a chance to draft a better qb for at least 4 or 5 years.

It's cool, we can just keep drafting Offense and Defensive Tackles until the next Andrew Luck comes out in the draft.

Think of the Lines we could have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

philfree
03-15-2013, 08:37 AM
Jets, Raiders among teams showing interest in Geno Smith
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2013, 7:05 AM EDT
Geno Smith AP

Geno Smith threw well at West Virginia’s Pro Day, and talk is increasing that he’s going to be not just the first quarterback taken but one of the first players off the board at any position. And we can add the Jets and the Raiders to the list of the teams believed to be interested.

The Newark Star-Ledger says the Jets have interest in Smith, while the Contra Costa Times suggests the Raiders are interested in drafting Smith.

Previous reports have suggested that the Jaguars are interested, and the Eagles sent a contingent to West Virginia to get a private workout with Smith.

The Jaguars have the second overall pick, the Raiders have the third, the Eagles have the fourth and the Jets have the ninth. From all indications, Smith won’t be getting out of the Top 10.

And if there’s some other team out there that really loves Smith, that team may need to start thinking about placing a call to the Chiefs.

Draft Geno! But if we trade out of the Geno Smith Sweepstakes the consolation prize won't be to bad. We'll have two 1st rounders in next years draft plus our 2nd back this year and next.

Chief Henry
03-15-2013, 08:38 AM
With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:39 AM
Draft Geno! But if we trade out of the Geno Smith Sweepstakes the consolation prize won't be to bad. We'll have two 1st rounders in next years draft plus our 2nd back this year and next.

BINGO !!:thumb:

Canofbier
03-15-2013, 08:39 AM
With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

Obviously it depends on the team and what their draft spot is.

Molitoth
03-15-2013, 08:40 AM
With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

Since we already committed to Alex Smith; we would be stupid not to.
I'd rather just keep Geno Smith though.

Chiefshrink
03-15-2013, 08:40 AM
With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

F'N AYYYYYYY !

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:40 AM
If we don't take Geno at 1, we won't have a chance to draft a better qb for at least 4 or 5 years.

I'm glad we are all on the same page finally /Clark

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:41 AM
With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

:bong:

Nice thought tho

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:41 AM
With the first pick of the 2013 draft, the KC Chiefs make a trade with the _____.
In return, the _______ gives the KC Chiefs this years 1st and 2nd round picks along with next years 1st and 3rd round picks.

Would you take this trade ?

I wouldn't take less than 2013 #1, 2013 #2, and 2014 #1 with the possibility of us throwing back a 2013 6th or 7th.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:41 AM
What have we committed to Smith? A 2nd round pick? Who gives a fuck.

mr. tegu
03-15-2013, 08:42 AM
Where area all the media buffoons who said no QB would go in the first round or top ten? Can we gather all of those mocks and stories into one giant section to shame those idiots? Anyone?

KC Tattoo
03-15-2013, 08:43 AM
It's cool, we can just keep drafting Offense and Defensive Tackles until the next Andrew Luck comes out in the draft.

Think of the Lines we could have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The flaw is that those lineman will be on the downside or playing for other teams and therefore we will have to continue the OL DL for the next next best QB of the decade to become available...

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:43 AM
Where area all the media buffoons who said no QB would go in the first round or top ten? Can we gather all of those mocks and stories into one giant section to shame those idiots? Anyone?

Ok Frankie...

jimw51
03-15-2013, 08:43 AM
I would be cool with Barkley

Fat Elvis
03-15-2013, 08:44 AM
Obviously it depends on the team and what their draft spot is.

This. Trading with the Eagles under this scenario is completely different than trading with the 49ers....

chiefzilla1501
03-15-2013, 08:44 AM
I think there's a lot of gamesmanship and that the Chiefs really don't want to keep their #1 pick.

I like Geno, but in terms of an Andy Reid guy, I could see why he favors Barkley. Barkley is tailor made for a West Coast Offense.

You also can't help but wonder... if the Eagles are eyeing Geno, is Reid maybe trying to also make a move for Foles in exchange for a swap and maybe an extra Eagles pick (say... the second rounder they traded away for Alex Smith).

But then... if they were trying to play games with the 1.1, then why wouldn't they show up to the Pro Day to at least fool other teams into thinking they're interested?

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:45 AM
What have we committed to Smith? A 2nd round pick? Who gives a ****.

We've committed to him being the starter at the beginning of the season. He won't be by the end however.

KC Tattoo
03-15-2013, 08:45 AM
What have we committed to Smith? A 2nd round pick? Who gives a ****.

Andy Reid said there is competition at all spots of the team and oh yeah Alex Smith is the starting quarterback.

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Molitoth
03-15-2013, 08:45 AM
The flaw is that those lineman will be on the downside or playing for other teams and therefore we will have to continue the OL DL for the next next best QB of the decade to become available...

Isn't that how superbowl teams are built?

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:45 AM
The Redskins put 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.....and then went out and invested a 4th round pick into his fucking backup. And that was even though Grossman coukd have been a capable backup QB.

We'd be investing a 1st and a 2nd into one of the WORST QB situations in the league.

suds79
03-15-2013, 08:48 AM
Pestilence, don't get me wrong. I love the idea. I'm on board.

But I think you're setting yourself up for one bigtime letdown when this plan doesn't happen.

I mean surely you'd agree that the odds of this actually happening are miniscule at best right?

nychief
03-15-2013, 08:48 AM
I don't think that's what he was implying at all. Guess again.


Everyone in America KNOWS that the Chiefs go after Retread QB's and do not draft their own.... therefore there wasn't much a of a story to write about Geno going #1 overall to the Chiefs. Now that the Chiefs have their QB's set, there is possibility of Geno working his way up to #1 (via trade?) for a team with greater national presence than the KC Chiefs. This makes a better story, and makes more sense... so you are going to see it in Mocks and media publicity.


I think that it has more to do with the fact we are getting closer to the draft and ESPN was covering Geno's pro day live yesterday...

The constant fatalism on this board is fucking stupid.

Chief Henry
03-15-2013, 08:48 AM
I wouldn't take less than 2013 #1, 2013 #2, and 2014 #1 with the possibility of us throwing back a 2013 6th or 7th.

I would take that...I would also take this years 1st and 2nd and next years
2nd.

We will have some great trade deals dropped in our lap.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:48 AM
The Redskins put 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.....and then went out and invested a 4th round pick into his fucking backup. And that was even though Grossman coukd have been a capable backup QB.

We'd be investing a 1st and a 2nd into one of the WORST QB situations in the league.

/K.O.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:49 AM
Isn't that how superbowl teams are built?

Not in Kansas City

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:49 AM
I would also take this years 1st and 2nd and next years
2nd.


No. Minimum of 2-1st's and a 2nd.

philfree
03-15-2013, 08:50 AM
I wouldn't take less than 2013 #1, 2013 #2, and 2014 #1 with the possibility of us throwing back a 2013 6th or 7th.

Seems like there's alot of interest so hopefully this will end up in a bidding war. And if Geno goes #1 the #2 QB won't be far behind so maybe we can trade down twice. Then we'll be in the right spot to draft Tavon Austin and a developemental QB. Manuel or Bray. Bray tutoring behind Alex Smith for a couple years:hmmm:

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 08:50 AM
Pestilence, don't get me wrong. I love the idea. I'm on board.

But I think you're setting yourself up for one bigtime letdown when this plan doesn't happen.

I mean surely you'd agree that the odds of this actually happening are miniscule at best right?

Ive already stated that there is a 1% chance of this happening.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 08:51 AM
Seems like there's alot of interest so hopefully this will end up in a bidding war. And if Geno goes #1 the #2 QB won't be far behind so maybe we can trade down twice. Then we'll be in the right spot to draft Tavon Austin and a developemental QB. Manuel or Bray. Bray tutoring behind Alex Smith for a couple years:hmmm:

I veto this plan.

Molitoth
03-15-2013, 08:54 AM
Not in Kansas City

Sorry, I was being very sarcastic.

Ace Gunner
03-15-2013, 08:55 AM
What have we committed to Smith? A 2nd round pick? Who gives a ****.

but you don't understand / 8yo

philfree
03-15-2013, 08:56 AM
I veto this plan.

I know you're against EJ. I'm not really hot on the guy either but I could see Reid thinking he could develope him. Of course we'll have the picks next year so we'll have a shot a QB then too.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 08:57 AM
Sorry, I was being very sarcastic.

Just backing you up :)

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:01 AM
I know you're against EJ. I'm not really hot on the guy either but I could see Reid thinking he could develope him. Of course we'll have the picks next year so we'll have a shot a QB then too.

To me, drafting EJ - especially when we don't have a #2 - is a complete waste. Unless we acquire more picks we need to get contributors out of rds 3-6.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:04 AM
The Redskins put 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.....and then went out and invested a 4th round pick into his fucking backup. And that was even though Grossman coukd have been a capable backup QB.

We'd be investing a 1st and a 2nd into one of the WORST QB situations in the league.

However, there's another way to look at it.

If the Bills come calling with a 1 and 2 this year, plus a 1 and 3 next year, look at what you've invested into the position now.

The 2 firsts, 2 2nds and a 3rd.

Now that's not exorbitant...but it's sure as hell a lot.

I'm not arguing that they should take Joekel over Smith, as you well know. I do think, however, that if a bidding war emerges, you have to think really really hard about the opportunity cost and what your true investment in Geno becomes at that point.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 09:08 AM
The 'pimping of Geno' has finally begun as expected and it will only get bigger these next 6 weeks which only favors the Chiefs. The Chiefs either select him to develop into our QBOTF or select him and trade or trade out with some team that doesn't trust the Jags NOT to take him. Hell, maybe the Jags don't trust those teams behind them NOT to swap out with the Chiefs and will swap with the Chiefs and the Chiefs recoup their 2nd IF they don't want Geno:shrug:

This is good:clap:

I agree. I don't care which of those scenarios play out, they're all good. If the Chiefs believe in Geno, they'll take him. If they don't, it's great that other teams do.

HC_Chief
03-15-2013, 09:12 AM
I agree. I don't care which of those scenarios play out, they're all good. If the Chiefs believe in Geno, they'll take him. If they don't, it's great that other teams do.

I would love to see the Jax swap scenario come to fruition!

Dave Lane
03-15-2013, 09:12 AM
I know you're against EJ. I'm not really hot on the guy either but I could see Reid thinking he could develope him. Of course we'll have the picks next year so we'll have a shot a QB then too.

Yeah there's always next year. Idiots.

Dave Lane
03-15-2013, 09:14 AM
However, there's another way to look at it.

If the Bills come calling with a 1 and 2 this year, plus a 1 and 3 next year, look at what you've invested into the position now.

The 2 firsts, 2 2nds and a 3rd.

Now that's not exorbitant...but it's sure as hell a lot.

I'm not arguing that they should take Joekel over Smith, as you well know. I do think, however, that if a bidding war emerges, you have to think really really hard about the opportunity cost and what your true investment in Geno becomes at that point.

Well if they don't really like Geno I could take this haul. Anything else I wouldn't be excited.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 09:14 AM
However, there's another way to look at it.

If the Bills come calling with a 1 and 2 this year, plus a 1 and 3 next year, look at what you've invested into the position now.

The 2 firsts, 2 2nds and a 3rd.

Now that's not exorbitant...but it's sure as hell a lot.


If the Bills offer that up KC would be foolish not to jump on that offer with both feet.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 09:15 AM
Seems like there's alot of interest so hopefully this will end up in a bidding war. And if Geno goes #1 the #2 QB won't be far behind so maybe we can trade down twice. Then we'll be in the right spot to draft Tavon Austin and a developemental QB. Manuel or Bray. Bray tutoring behind Alex Smith for a couple years:hmmm:

I veto this plan.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:23 AM
Honestly, they should just go full Patriot to try to pull off what the 49ers are doing this year.

Trade down to 8. If you don't like the landscape, trade down to 16. If you still don't like it, trade out for all I care.

If you're not taking Geno Smith and you don't believe in someone like Richardson, let the draft come to you.

Unlike Pioli, who seemed to decide what positions he was going to take before the draft started, Reid/Dorsey have given the team the flexibility to look at the draft and just take it as it comes.

They could come out of the draft with Margus Hunt, Tyler Bray, the 3rd day picks and a shitload of 2014 pick and have as much potential talent on the roster as they would have had they gone with Geno or Floyd.

There are serious homerun swings they can take with this draft.

And part of that is because of the much derided Alex Smith trade. I give a ton of credit to Reid and Dorsey; they did a spectacular job of creating flexibility for the draft.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:27 AM
However, there's another way to look at it.

If the Bills come calling with a 1 and 2 this year, plus a 1 and 3 next year, look at what you've invested into the position now.

The 2 firsts, 2 2nds and a 3rd.

Now that's not exorbitant...but it's sure as hell a lot.

I'm not arguing that they should take Joekel over Smith, as you well know. I do think, however, that if a bidding war emerges, you have to think really really hard about the opportunity cost and what your true investment in Geno becomes at that point.

I'd be fine with that. Like I said in the past.....they're going to have to weigh the value of Geno vs. the value of the trade that they're offered. If the Bills offered that.....then trade down....I'm fine with it.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:28 AM
Ok, just enough of all this fucking nonsense of trading down.

No qb worthy of a #1, right? What they going to trade for, an OT? I'm no GM but even I know thats fucking stupid.

Just fucking stop now, please!

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:32 AM
Ok, just enough of all this fucking nonsense of trading down.

No qb worthy of a #1, right? What they going to trade for, an OT? I'm no GM but even I know thats fucking stupid.

Just fucking stop now, please!

Who said there's no QB worthy of a #1? Oh, that's right, extremely foolish people that are now backpeddling in a hurry.

There's going to be a trade down and it's going to be a decent one.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:33 AM
I would put it like this:

80% - Trade down
15% - OT
5% - QB

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 09:35 AM
So how soon do we know who we are trading down with...?

Or will we not find out till draft day?

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 09:36 AM
So how soon do we know who we are trading down with...?

Or will we not find out till draft day?

Correct me if I am wrong; anytime between now and the day of the draft.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 09:36 AM
So how soon do we know who we are trading down with...?

Or will we not find out till draft day?

If it happens, it will happen prior to draft day. That's still over 4 weeks away, though.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:37 AM
FWIW......the Rams traded the #2 pick away on March 12th, 2012.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:39 AM
Look....I'm not going to sit here and believe 100% that it's going to happen. I've already said that it has a 1-5% probability of happening. But I'm getting sick and tired of people that sit here and try feed me this bullshit that it has absolutely zero chance of happening.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 09:40 AM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:40 AM
Who said there's no QB worthy of a #1? Oh, that's right, extremely foolish people that are now backpeddling in a hurry.

There's going to be a trade down and it's going to be a decent one.

So if someone is worth it, why wouldn't we take them again?

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 09:40 AM
If someone wants Geno more than Jax, a trade will happen.

Simple.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:41 AM
So how soon do we know who we are trading down with...?

Or will we not find out till draft day?

If someone offers the RGIII haul, you'll hear about it within hours of the offer being made because I can't imagine we let that person off the phone without having every detail wrapped up and the trade executed.

If not, then you'll have a few teams playing chicken with each other and scheduling workouts with Geno. The Chiefs at that point would be wise to just let the process play out and see which team really falls in love with the guy.

Coaches are involved now and coaches are what really make shit happen. When it's just the scouts, they can look dispassionately at Geno and say "eh, good QB...not great". When Doug Marrone gets in the room, however, he may very well turn to his scouts, tell them to STFU and say "That's the guy I'm building my team around. Get Nix on the phone; we're making this happen".

Now is the time that the human element surfaces and strange things start to happen. That's why the Chiefs will get a good price for Geno if they want it.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:41 AM
If someone wants Geno more than Jax, a trade will happen.

Simple.

I think it's realistically going to come down between the Eagles and the Bills.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:41 AM
Look....I'm not going to sit here and believe 100% that it's going to happen. I've already said that it has a 1-5% probability of happening. But I'm getting sick and tired of people that sit here and try feed me this bullshit that it has absolutely zero chance of happening.

I've lost track, of what happening?

Vietnam58
03-15-2013, 09:42 AM
its time to come to terms.......... we are not trading the number 1 pick or taking geno. .we are drafting a lineman. .either OT or DL . .

It sucks but its the reality. .

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 09:42 AM
QB's always get hyped and pimped as the draft approaches. Barkley is going to look good also and then there will be arguments over who should go first Barkley or Smith.

Tannehill got the treatment last year, Locker/Ponder the year before. It's a QB driven league and it's the sexy position to talk about.

I think it's funny that they wait until his pro day to decide to turn on the media machine. It's not like he was a different QB yesterday than he was at WVU. It's not like he had a weak arm in college.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:43 AM
I've lost track, of what happening?

Of the Chiefs drafting Geno Smith at 1.1.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 09:43 AM
So if someone is worth it, why wouldn't we take them again?

Because this isn't Madden. There isn't one great big draft board in the sky that determines what Geno is 'worth'.

There are 32 teams and 100s of people that are all assigning their own values to each player. Somebody is going to believe Geno is worth that pick and probably multiple somebodies. Moreoever, some guys like Nix or even the Cardinals may not think he's truly 'worth' the 1.1 but that they have no choice but to take him to energize the fanbase.

His worth is set by the market, not some idiot goombah with a slicked back haircut and an overblown reputation for draft prognosticating. And the market will absolutely support the Chiefs getting a couple of high picks for him, even if Andy doesn't think he's worth 1.1.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:47 AM
Of the Chiefs drafting Geno Smith at 1.1.

Got ya. I think there is a better chance than you are saying. If he nailed it like they say, and andy was impressed with him at the combine as they say, I don't think he would pass him up. If they do, we have the wrong regime. Again.

Messier
03-15-2013, 09:47 AM
This could be good news for the Chiefs no matter what happens. As the NFL experts always say, you only need one team to fall in love with a player. And if this causes Smith to jump up the Chiefs board to one, all the better. I think Reid and Dorsey will take a QB with any of their picks if they see him as the best available at that spot.

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 09:50 AM
Got ya. I think there is a better chance than you are saying. If he nailed it like they say, and andy was impressed with him at the combine as they say, I don't think he would pass him up. If they do, we have the wrong regime. Again.

Wasn't Andy in Oregon?

I don't think they can get up and definitively say Alex Smith is the starter and then take a QB 1.1.

Dayze
03-15-2013, 09:50 AM
take him anyway even if they don't want him, then see if anyone later in the draft wants to trade for him?

is that possible, or is that moranic?

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:50 AM
This would be hilarious.

The Chiefs trade with the Eagles for their #4 pick. The Anti-Geno people scream from the rooftops that they knew what they were talking about. The Chiefs would never draft a QB in the 1st round.

Then the Chiefs take Matt Barkley at #4.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:51 AM
Because this isn't Madden. There isn't one great big draft board in the sky that determines what Geno is 'worth'.

There are 32 teams and 100s of people that are all assigning their own values to each player. Somebody is going to believe Geno is worth that pick and probably multiple somebodies. Moreoever, some guys like Nix or even the Cardinals may not think he's truly 'worth' the 1.1 but that they have no choice but to take him to energize the fanbase.

His worth is set by the market, not some idiot goombah with a slicked back haircut and an overblown reputation for draft prognosticating. And the market will absolutely support the Chiefs getting a couple of high picks for him, even if Andy doesn't think he's worth 1.1.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, but I hope you are wrong.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:54 AM
Wasn't Andy in Oregon?

I don't think they can get up and definitively say Alex Smith is the starter and then take a QB 1.1.

Sure they can. They can say he needs to develop, yada yada.

A. Smith won't be the starter come week 17 anyway.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 09:56 AM
This would be hilarious.

The Chiefs trade with the Eagles for their #4 pick. The Anti-Geno people scream from the rooftops that they knew what they were talking about. The Chiefs would never draft a QB in the 1st round.

Then the Chiefs take Matt Barkley at #4.

now that would be a nightmare

bevischief
03-15-2013, 09:56 AM
:popcorn:LMAO

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:59 AM
Tell me again why this doesn't work?

Veteran QB that can win now and doesn't have a lengthy contract? Check.
Youngish backup QB on basically a 1 year deal? Check.
First overall pick to take your QBoTF? Check.

Overall cap cost for all 3 QBs? Joe Flacco.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 09:59 AM
Wasn't Andy in Oregon?

I don't think they can get up and definitively say Alex Smith is the starter and then take a QB 1.1.

Someone posted that Andy Reid named Doug Pederson as his starter when he took over the Eagles, only to draft Donovan McNabb later that offseason with the 1.2.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 09:59 AM
Oh...and if Alex Smith gets an extension....then this is Matt Cassel v2.0.

Alex Smith doesn't deserve an extension.

Mr_Tomahawk
03-15-2013, 10:00 AM
AZ needs a QB now...

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 10:00 AM
Tell me again why this doesn't work?

Veteran QB that can win now and doesn't have a lengthy contract? Check.
Youngish backup QB on basically a 1 year deal? Check.
First overall pick to take your QBoTF? Check.

Overall cap cost for all 3 QBs? Joe Flacco.

Just don't listen to them Pest, I'm almost done myself...

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:01 AM
AZ needs a QB now...

But..but...

Stanton - $3 million a year
Hoyer - 2nd round tender

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 10:02 AM
just knew Geno would make a late rise and end up being considered a top 8 pick

KC native
03-15-2013, 10:02 AM
MAKE IT FUCKING STOP. GODFUCKINGDAMNIT GENO SMITH SHOULD BE A FUCKING CHIEF.

*Cue the retarded 9ers fans to tell us Alex Cassell is better than Geno.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:04 AM
just knew Geno would make a late rise and end up being considered a top 8 pick

You and everyone else that was smart.

InChiefsHell
03-15-2013, 10:07 AM
Tell me again why this doesn't work?

Veteran QB that can win now and doesn't have a lengthy contract? Check.
Youngish backup QB on basically a 1 year deal? Check.
First overall pick to take your QBoTF? Check.

Overall cap cost for all 3 QBs? Joe Flacco.
Here here. I've been saying this since the Alex Smith trade. Hell, Aaron Rogers sat for what, 4 years behind Favre before he came in and became the discount double check from hell...

The danger is, Alex smith WILL win some games, but he won't take you to the promised land. TAKE GENO...groom him, and stop worrying about a fucking QB for the next 3 years, maybe longer depending on how he works out. The first pick doesn't cost what it used to.

WHAT IS THE RISK?

siberian khatru
03-15-2013, 10:08 AM
I give a ton of credit to Reid and Dorsey; they did a spectacular job of creating flexibility for the draft.

I think that is THE story of the offseason so far.

Marcellus
03-15-2013, 10:10 AM
No way Reid and Dorsey use the 34th overall on A.Smith and the #1 on G.Smith and then create a QB controversy before the first game is played.

I would love to see it but it would turn into epic disaster because people would want to see Geno regardless of what Alex does.

ChiTown
03-15-2013, 10:10 AM
I haven't been very vocal about this on the boards, but the Chiefs should absolutely take Geno Smith. There is nothing stopping them at this point. Yes, they have other needs to address, but no one in this draft has the upside that Geno brings. No one.

:thumb:Do it!

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:12 AM
No way Reid and Dorsey use the 34th overall on A.Smith and the #1 on G.Smith and then create a QB controversy before the first game is played.

I would love to see it but it would turn into epic disaster because people would want to see Geno regardless of what Alex does.

That's fucking bullshit. There wouldn't be a QB controversy if Andy Reid comes out day 1 and says that Alex Smith is his QB in 2013.

You know what spending the 1st overall on Geno Smith and #34 on Alex Smith does? It covers your ass on both ends.

Fruit Ninja
03-15-2013, 10:17 AM
That's ****ing bullshit. There wouldn't be a QB controversy if Andy Reid comes out day 1 and says that Alex Smith is his QB in 2013.

You know what spending the 1st overall on Geno Smith and #34 on Alex Smith does? It covers your ass on both ends.

Yup. This would as a fan lets know they are serious about becoming an elite franchise. It would be trying and giving fans hope. Even true fans deep down know that Alex isn't the right guy.

siberian khatru
03-15-2013, 10:22 AM
I am completely on board with taking Geno No. 1 and, as was said, completely covering your ass in the QB department.


However, I've always thought since the Alex trade that the Chiefs were intent on recouping that second-round pick by trading out of 1.1.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:24 AM
Alex Smith - $8.5 million
Chase Daniel - $1.75 million
Geno Smith - $4 million

$14.25 million total.

Joe Flacco = $20 million.

theelusiveeightrop
03-15-2013, 10:25 AM
Two dickheads talking about Geno? Great entertainment.

BigChiefTablet
03-15-2013, 10:33 AM
So you're saying there's a chance?

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 10:34 AM
So you're saying there's a chance?

No. Andy was in Oregon.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 10:36 AM
That's ****ing bullshit. There wouldn't be a QB controversy if Andy Reid comes out day 1 and says that Alex Smith is his QB in 2013.

You know what spending the 1st overall on Geno Smith and #34 on Alex Smith does? It covers your ass on both ends.

And there is precedence for this with Andy Reid.

Please see the case of Doug Pederson (our current QB coach) and Donavan McNabb.

Granted, Pederson was a FA and not a trade IIRC but still...

ChiTown
03-15-2013, 10:36 AM
I am completely on board with taking Geno No. 1 and, as was said, completely covering your ass in the QB department.


However, I've always thought since the Alex trade that the Chiefs were intent on recouping that second-round pick by trading out of 1.1.

Oh, I'm in complete agreement there. You don't make the moves you've made at QB, and keep 1.1, imo. I think they covet some additional pieces in the first 3 rounds that they can get by trading out.

That said, I'd have a Battleship-Sized Boner if they drafted Geno 1.1 and threw caution to the wind. It's time, imo.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:41 AM
And there is precedence for this with Andy Reid.

Please see the case of Doug Pederson (our current QB coach) and Donavan McNabb.

Granted, Pederson was a FA and not a trade IIRC but still...

Pederson was also 31 years old. Only 2 years older than Alex Smith.

siberian khatru
03-15-2013, 10:44 AM
Oh, I'm in complete agreement there. You don't make the moves you've made at QB, and keep 1.1, imo. I think they covet some additional pieces in the first 3 rounds that they can get by trading out.

That said, I'd have a Battleship-Sized Boner if they drafted Geno 1.1 and threw caution to the wind. It's time, imo.

I will break open my best scotch that Thursday night and be on Cloud 9 the rest of the weekend. Not only because I like Geno, but even more because of what it would say about the franchise: YOU GATDAM RIGHT WE VALUE THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 10:45 AM
Alex Smith - $8.5 million
Chase Daniel - $1.75 million
Geno Smith - $4 million

$14.25 million total.

Joe Flacco = $20 million.
yea, but it's not the money.

we just paid a high,high 2nd round pick plus another draft pick in trade for Smith. Alex Smith just went through getting replaced by a draftee.

I just don't see it.

If they were going to draft Geno then they should of picked up a guy like David Gerrard or Hasselbeck. They could grab Kolb. You don't trade 2 draft picks for a guy and then draft another QB with the 1st pick.

Fat Elvis
03-15-2013, 10:47 AM
yea, but it's not the money.

we just paid a high,high 2nd round pick plus another draft pick in trade for Smith. Alex Smith just went through getting replaced by a draftee.

I just don't see it.

If they were going to draft Geno then they should of picked up a guy like David Gerrard or Hasselbeck. They could grab Kolb. You don't trade 2 draft picks for a guy and then draft another QB with the 1st pick.

You do if you still plan on winning after one of your QBs go down with an injury.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:47 AM
yea, but it's not the money.

we just paid a high,high 2nd round pick plus another draft pick in trade for Smith. Alex Smith just went through getting replaced by a draftee.

I just don't see it.

If they were going to draft Geno then they should of picked up a guy like David Gerrard or Hasselbeck. They could grab Kolb. You don't trade 2 draft picks for a guy and then draft another QB with the 1st pick.

They're just fucking draft picks.

And it's not horrible value....considering that we had one of the top 3 worst QB situations last year. Drafting Geno Smith would realistically fix that shit in one fucking offseason. You know what you can do when you have your QB situation fixed completely? You can build a Super Bowl winning roster....complete with quality depth.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 10:47 AM
Here here. I've been saying this since the Alex Smith trade. Hell, Aaron Rogers sat for what, 4 years behind Favre before he came in and became the discount double check from hell...

The danger is, Alex smith WILL win some games, but he won't take you to the promised land. TAKE GENO...groom him, and stop worrying about a ****ing QB for the next 3 years, maybe longer depending on how he works out. The first pick doesn't cost what it used to.

WHAT IS THE RISK?

The Packers had a future Hall of Fame QB running the show and Aaron Rodgers sat through an epic fall on draft day so it was pretty easy to sell the Green Bay fanbase (and probably Rodgers himself) on the idea that Rodgers should sit as an understudy for a few years. From a PR and QB controversy perspective, this would be a completely different situation, fwiw.

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 10:47 AM
That's ****ing bullshit. There wouldn't be a QB controversy if Andy Reid comes out day 1 and says that Alex Smith is his QB in 2013.

.

Of course there would be a huge controversy. You don't want Geno to be drafted 1.1 and then sit on the bench the next 4 years while Smith continues his mediocre career.

Fat Elvis
03-15-2013, 10:48 AM
They're just ****ing draft picks.

And it's not horrible value....considering that we had one of the top 3 worst QB situations last year. Drafting Geno Smith would realistically fix that shit in one ****ing offseason. You know what you can do when you have your QB situation fixed completely? You can build a Super Bowl winning roster....complete with quality depth.

THIS. ALL OF THIS.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:49 AM
Of course there would be a huge controversy. You don't want Geno to be drafted 1.1 and then sit on the bench the next 4 years while Smith continues his mediocre career.

Where are you getting 4 years?

1. He's only under contract for 2.
2. If he's average and not getting KC over the hump....he'll be gone.

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 10:49 AM
Chase Daniel is their "draft pick" on the bench.

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 10:49 AM
You do if you still plan on winning after one of your QBs go down with an injury.
keep the dream alive!!!!!!

LMAO

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:49 AM
Chase Daniel is their "draft pick" on the bench.

Chase Daniel is a career backup QB.

HemiEd
03-15-2013, 10:50 AM
If we don't take Geno at 1, we won't have a chance to draft a better qb for at least 45 years.

fixed it

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 10:50 AM
yea, but it's not the money.

we just paid a high,high 2nd round pick plus another draft pick in trade for Smith. Alex Smith just went through getting replaced by a draftee.

I just don't see it.

If they were going to draft Geno then they should of picked up a guy like David Gerrard or Hasselbeck. They could grab Kolb. You don't trade 2 draft picks for a guy and then draft another QB with the 1st pick.

As others have noted:

The Skins spent 3 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick on 2 QBs last year.


Geno + Alex would be 1 1st round pick, 1 2nd round pick, and a potential third undisclosed pick.

Fat Elvis
03-15-2013, 10:51 AM
keep the dream alive!!!!!!

LMAO

Screw it then. Why have a starting QB in the first place if you don't plan on winning from the get go?:rolleyes:

ndws
03-15-2013, 10:52 AM
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Daniel contract voidable after the 1st year?

With a vet QB on roster named as starter now, it sounds like they could be setting the stage for a QB in the draft. Let the rookie duke it out in year #1 for the backup job, and allow him to eventually compete for the starting gig as he's ready for it.

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 10:52 AM
Chase Daniel is a career backup QB.And he went undrafted.

Still doesn't change the fact that I think he's their contingency plan when ASmith goes down.

I can't believe people are still trying to keep hope alive on this one. It's like you're asking the team to kick you in the nuts.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 10:52 AM
The Packers had a future Hall of Fame QB running the show and Aaron Rodgers sat through an epic fall on draft day so it was pretty easy to sell the Green Bay fanbase (and probably Rodgers himself) on the idea that Rodgers should sit as an understudy for a few years. From a PR and QB controversy perspective, this would be a completely different situation, fwiw.

Not the same exact scenario but see the Titans in 2011 drafting a QB at #8 overall, signing a vet. QB and starting the vet for a year.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 10:55 AM
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Daniel contract voidable after the 1st year?

With a vet QB on roster named as starter now, it sounds like they could be setting the stage for a QB in the draft. Let the rookie duke it out in year #1 for the backup job, and allow him to eventually compete for the starting gig as he's ready for it.

Every NFL contract is 'voidable'; they're not guaranteed.

What you're reading when you see 'voidable' is that Chase Daniel can opt out of it if he throws 12 TDs and 2K yards.

Sure, they can cut Daniel after 2013 and accelerate the remaining $2 million onto the cap, plus his $1 million in guaranteed salary...but it would be stupid. His cap figure for 2014 is going to be right at $3.85 million. If you cut him, his dead money is $3 million. You can't get a veteran backup, even a shitty one, for the $850k cap savings you'd take by releasing him.

Daniel will probably be gone in 2015 when his base salary is $3.75 million and none of it's guaranteed, but he's here for the next 2 years without question.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 10:55 AM
Every NFL contract is 'voidable'; they're not guaranteed.

What you're reading when you see 'voidable' is that Chase Daniel can opt out of it if he throws 12 TDs and 2K yards.

Sure, they can cut Daniel after 2013 and accelerate the remaining $2 million onto the cap, plus his $1 million in guaranteed salary...but it would be stupid. His cap figure for 2014 is going to be right at $3.85 million in 2014. If you cut him, his dead money is $3 million. You can't get a veteran backup, even a shitty one, for the $850k cap savings you'd take by releasing him.

Daniel will probably be gone in 2015 when his base salary is $3.75 million and none of it's guaranteed, but he's here for the next 2 years without question.

Alex Smith on the other hand is not guaranteed to be here after this year.

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 10:56 AM
Maybe Jessica Alba won't get a restraining order against me this time. She'll fall in love with me. s/ Typical Chiefs fan.

DJ's left nut
03-15-2013, 10:57 AM
Alex Smith on the other hand is not guaranteed to be here after this year.

Truth.

His salary is guaranteed for 2014, but you could trade him and the guaranteed salary goes with him.

But I expect him to be in the top half of QBs in the NFL next season, so I don't see us trading him.

Dave Lane
03-15-2013, 10:58 AM
This would be hilarious.

The Chiefs trade with the Eagles for their #4 pick. The Anti-Geno people scream from the rooftops that they knew what they were talking about. The Chiefs would never draft a QB in the 1st round.

Then the Chiefs take Matt Barkley at #4.

Change that to Buffalo and I'd be in

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 10:59 AM
Screw it then. Why have a starting QB in the first place if you don't plan on winning from the get go?:rolleyes:
why are you getting mad at me?

I didn't want Alex Smith ... i didn't trade for Alex Smith ... i didn't sign Chase Daniels.

I've said several times that the Chiefs situation was to take a shot and draft Geno Smith. That Geno Smith had the potential and would be considered a top 8 draft pick by the time the draft rolled around. No player was really worth at top 5 pick this year so that if you are going to reach then you reach for a QB.


I'm just going by what the Chiefs APPEAR to be doing.


LOL at people getting mad because they aren't hearing what they want to hear.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 10:59 AM
But I expect him to be in the top half of QBs in the NFL next season, so I don't see us trading him.

Not on IR he ain't

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 11:01 AM
The thing is....no one has any clue what the Chiefs are doing right now.

No one realistically before FA thought the Chiefs were going to be THIS active. They've effectively filled 70-80% of the holes on this team before the draft.

They realistically, with the way this team is built, could draft a QB at 1.1 if they want to. That's the thing....no one has a fucking clue what they want.

ndws
03-15-2013, 11:01 AM
Every NFL contract is 'voidable'; they're not guaranteed.

What you're reading when you see 'voidable' is that Chase Daniel can opt out of it if he throws 12 TDs and 2K yards.

Sure, they can cut Daniel after 2013 and accelerate the remaining $2 million onto the cap, plus his $1 million in guaranteed salary...but it would be stupid. His cap figure for 2014 is going to be right at $3.85 million. If you cut him, his dead money is $3 million. You can't get a veteran backup, even a shitty one, for the $850k cap savings you'd take by releasing him.

Daniel will probably be gone in 2015 when his base salary is $3.75 million and none of it's guaranteed, but he's here for the next 2 years without question.

I hadn't really looked into his contract all that much to begin with, just thought I had heard that anything guaranteed was only in the first year. What you say makes sense.

I still think they are setting the table though. I was against drafting Geno without a vet on roster, but with the changes that have been made, especially at so many places of need, I would almost be surprised if we didn't take Geno first overall now and advance him at his own pace.

Frazod
03-15-2013, 11:02 AM
Chase Daniel is a career backup QB.

Yep. He must really suck, having played every game of his pro career behind that Brees guy. I mean, if you can't unseat a Super Bowl winning future Hall of Famer who never missed a start, you must really suck, right?

Terrible.

:shake:

bevischief
03-15-2013, 11:05 AM
:popcorn:

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:06 AM
Not the same exact scenario but see the Titans in 2011 drafting a QB at #8 overall, signing a vet. QB and starting the vet for a year.

That's definitely a better comparison.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-15-2013, 11:06 AM
It is not hard to believe that Reid thinks he can trade Alex Smith and get most his investment in picks back. He's traded "backups" before with good success.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:08 AM
The thing is....no one has any clue what the Chiefs are doing right now.

No one realistically before FA thought the Chiefs were going to be THIS active. They've effectively filled 70-80% of the holes on this team before the draft.

They realistically, with the way this team is built, could draft a QB at 1.1 if they want to. That's the thing....no one has a ****ing clue what they want.

I agree with this. I think that's what makes this off-season and the Chiefs position at 1.1 in the draft so interesting/exciting.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 11:10 AM
I agree with this. I think that's what makes this off-season and the Chiefs position at 1.1 in the draft so interesting/exciting.

Therein lies the problem.

The Anti-QB at 1.1 people have been shouting forever that the Chiefs will NEVER take a QB at 1.1. They can't admit that it's a legitimate fucking possibility.

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 11:12 AM
Yep. He must really suck, having played every game of his pro career behind that Brees guy. I mean, if you can't unseat a Super Bowl winning future Hall of Famer who never missed a start, you must really suck, right?

Terrible.

:shake:
:LOL::LOL:

mizzou butthurt always makes me laugh


ROFL

silver5liter
03-15-2013, 11:13 AM
Yep. He must really suck, having played every game of his pro career behind that Brees guy. I mean, if you can't unseat a Super Bowl winning future Hall of Famer who never missed a start, you must really suck, right?

Terrible.

:shake:

Matt Cassel couldnt beat out Brady. Lets have him in for a look

Kiimosabi
03-15-2013, 11:14 AM
Yep. He must really suck, having played every game of his pro career behind that Brees guy. I mean, if you can't unseat a Super Bowl winning future Hall of Famer who never missed a start, you must really suck, right?

Terrible.

:shake:


No he sucks because he sucks. His arm sucks. His accuracy sucks. His size sucks. His leadership sucks. Chase Daniel sucks and it has nothing to do with Drew Brees.

Carlota69
03-15-2013, 11:16 AM
I agree with this. I think that's what makes this off-season and the Chiefs position at 1.1 in the draft so interesting/exciting.

Exactly. No one knows what were going to do, and with all the moves they've made so far, theres no real glaring need. The Chiefs could draft whoever they love the most (it would be nice if they loved a QB the most tho). Its very interesting.

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 11:16 AM
Maybe Dorsey is the 1%

Maybe Dorsey is completely separating the Draft from everything else.

Maybe trades,signings,cuts,salary,player history have absolutely nothing to do with what they are going to do in the draft.

Then again, maybe people are just trying really hard to believe what they want to believe. Most teams give indicators of what they are going to try to do in the draft by who they cut/sign etc during the offseason.

ptlyon
03-15-2013, 11:17 AM
No he sucks because he sucks. His arm sucks. His size sucks. His mobility sucks. His leadership sucks. Chase Daniel sucks and it has nothing to do with Drew Brees.

I nominate you to start the"Chase Daniels Does, Always Has, and Always Will Suck" thread

BossChief
03-15-2013, 11:18 AM
If we came out and said we were seriously interested in taking Geno at 1, nobody would call to trade up.

I think there is a real chance we draft Geno IF nobody offers a good trade down haul.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:27 AM
Therein lies the problem.

The Anti-QB at 1.1 people have been shouting forever that the Chiefs will NEVER take a QB at 1.1. They can't admit that it's a legitimate ****ing possibility.

I don't think there are very many anti-QB at 1.1 people. Maybe a few, but it seems like the pro-Geno people tend to imagine that anyone who isn't all-in on Geno is anti-QB at 1.1. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know I've been accused of being anti-QB several times and that's not true at all.

Frazod
03-15-2013, 11:27 AM
:LOL::LOL:

mizzou butthurt always makes me laugh


ROFL

Window licking retards make me laugh.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 11:28 AM
No he sucks because he sucks. His arm sucks. His accuracy sucks. His size sucks. His leadership sucks. Chase Daniel sucks and it has nothing to do with Drew Brees.

Be honest... you don't have a clue who this Chase Daniel guy is, do you?

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 11:29 AM
Window licking retards make me laugh.
window licking?

:spock:


must be a MU trailer park thing :p

MagicHef
03-15-2013, 11:33 AM
I know you guys love my graphs, so here's one about positional value relating to first round picks...

This one has:

X-axis: pick # (goes up to 32)
Y-axis: the difference in winning percentage between the teams that drafted that position and all teams that drafted at that pick #. Positive is good (your team improved more than expected for your draft position), negative is bad (your team got worse than expected).

First one is offense, second is defense.

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notorious
03-15-2013, 11:38 AM
I heard it all this morning. They are all in with Geno, now.

Demonpenz
03-15-2013, 11:43 AM
Draft Joekel and get the season started.

Mr. Laz
03-15-2013, 11:44 AM
Draft Joekel and get the season started.http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1492/fishingcartoon.gif

KCrockaholic
03-15-2013, 11:44 AM
So just to make sure I'm reading that graph right... A team shouldn't take a WR early? And if you take a DE late you're bound to suck? And QB is good as long as you take him top 3 or in the 20's?

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 11:45 AM
Therein lies the problem.

The Anti-QB at 1.1 people have been shouting forever that the Chiefs will NEVER take a QB at 1.1. They can't admit that it's a legitimate ****ing possibility.I'm not anti-QB at 1.1 in any way, shape or form. There are all kinds of logical, well-thought out reasons why it would make sense to do it. I would do it, had I the power. But it isn't going to happen. Because it isn't a legitimate possibility. Not for this franchise. Allowing any glimmer of hope into your mind is just opening the door for crushing disappointment in a month.

MagicHef
03-15-2013, 11:47 AM
So just to make sure I'm reading that graph right... A team shouldn't take a WR early? And if you take a DE late you're bound to suck? And QB is good as long as you take him top 3 or in the 20's?

It's just past data. You decide how much you trust it to predict the future.

That being said, there's only one position that typically has improved the teams that have picked it very early, and has actually been picked at #1 overall before.

okcchief
03-15-2013, 11:47 AM
Maybe there is a chance. We are filling holes. It's possible they want to win now and have a QBOTF. Let Alex have a year to prove himself then move on to Geno. Alex would be very tradable after a year with his contract, and they are filling lots of holes. I'm saying we are trading down most likely, but if we keep it I won't be shocked to hear Geno's name called.

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 11:58 AM
That's definitely a better comparison.

The Titans gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Hasselbeck?

Chiefnj2
03-15-2013, 11:59 AM
I'm not anti-QB at 1.1 in any way, shape or form. There are all kinds of logical, well-thought out reasons why it would make sense to do it. I would do it, had I the power. But it isn't going to happen. Because it isn't a legitimate possibility. Not for this franchise. Allowing any glimmer of hope into your mind is just opening the door for crushing disappointment in a month.

Same thing happened with Cassel/Sanchez. A group of people held out hope the Chiefs would still take Sanchez even after giving up a 2nd for Cassel and speaking highly of him.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 12:00 PM
Same thing happened with Cassel/Sanchez. A group of people held out hope the Chiefs would still take Sanchez even after giving up a 2nd for Cassel and speaking highly of him.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

We wouldn't be paying Geno Smith a $50-$60 million contract.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 12:01 PM
Same thing happened with Cassel/Sanchez. A group of people held out hope the Chiefs would still take Sanchez even after giving up a 2nd for Cassel and speaking highly of him.

Cassel wasn't a 29 year old QB that had a long history of being nothing more than a game manager. He still had upside.

Alex Smith is a known quantity...

An injury prone game manager that is a good game manager/stopgap.

Also, Geno will be cheap, where Sanchez would have cost 60m

Frazod
03-15-2013, 12:03 PM
Be honest... you don't have a clue who this Chase Daniel guy is, do you?

The Daniel haters seem to be in two camps - Geno ballwashers who'd hate anybody the the Chiefs signed not named Geno, and angry beakers still butthurt about getting their shit pushed in back in 2007. I don't really give a crap about either group.

I have no idea whether Daniel will rise to the challenge if presented the opportunity - if he doesn't, I'll want him gone just as much as the next guy. But anybody who seriously thinks Chase sucks because he's been a "career backup" is too dumb to fucking live.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 12:04 PM
Andy Reids qbs in 2009

McNabb - second overall pick
Kolb - 36th pick
Vick - free agent signing

Look familiar to what we would have if we draft Geno?

Geno at 1
We traded the 34th pick for Alex
Signed Chase Daniels in FA

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 12:09 PM
Cassel wasn't a 29 year old QB that had a long history of being nothing more than a game manager. He still had upsideWait, what?

Cassel had upside?!?! Whaaaa??? LMAO

Cassel was a 28-year old career clipboard-holder who'd never played in college, and had one unremarkable season calling plays for one of the most loaded offenses in the league. Upside? Who in the world outside of Scott Pioli's office ever thought for a second he'd be anything? You can at least make the (completely vacuous) argument that Alex Smith is on an upward career trajectory. Cassel was a complete non-entity.

Good grief, dude.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 12:10 PM
Andy Reids qbs in 2009

McNabb - second overall pick
Kolb - 36th pick
Vick - free agent signing

Look familiar to what we would have if we draft Geno?

Geno at 1
We traded the 34th pick for Alex
Signed Chase Daniels in FA

Mind....Blown....:thumb:

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 12:12 PM
I have no idea whether Daniel will rise to the challenge if presented the opportunityI'm sure he'll do a fine job of keeping the headphones propped on his noggin, making sure he has an excellent supply of working pens and fetching water and towels as the situation requires.

:evil:

patteeu
03-15-2013, 12:13 PM
The Titans gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for Hasselbeck?

Would they have to to make it a better comparison than Favre/Rodgers?

BossChief
03-15-2013, 12:14 PM
Wait, what?

Cassel had upside?!?! Whaaaa??? LMAO

Cassel was a 28-year old career clipboard-holder who'd never played in college, and had one unremarkable season calling plays for one of the most loaded offenses in the league. Upside? Who in the world outside of Scott *****'s office ever thought for a second he'd be anything? You can at least make the (completely vacuous) argument that Alex Smith is on an upward career trajectory. Cassel was a complete non-entity.

Good grief, dude.
You posted this using hindsight.

The NFL absolutely thought the guy had upside.

patteeu
03-15-2013, 12:14 PM
Andy Reids qbs in 2009

McNabb - second overall pick
Kolb - 36th pick
Vick - free agent signing

Look familiar to what we would have if we draft Geno?

Geno at 1
We traded the 34th pick for Alex
Signed Chase Daniels in FA

Not really. Not really very similar at all. Almost the mirror opposite.

silver5liter
03-15-2013, 12:17 PM
Not really. Not really very similar at all. Almost the mirror opposite.

Do explain

BigChiefFan
03-15-2013, 12:20 PM
Still in the draft Geno camp. Let him sit for a year, trade Alex and we have our QB of the future.

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Andy Reids qbs in 2009

McNabb - second overall pick
Kolb - 36th pick
Vick - free agent signing

Look familiar to what we would have if we draft Geno?

Geno at 1
We traded the 34th pick for Alex
Signed Chase Daniels in FAYou realize you're trying to equate moves made over 10 years with one offseason, right? Not to mention comparing a 33 year old who'd been drafted at 2 ten years prior with a rookie #1, a 23-year old who'd been drafted at 36 two years prior with a 29-year old trade acquisition, and a 29-year old former #1 pick with years of starts with a 26-year old undrafted player who's attempted 9 passes in his career. I think I might call that reaching a bit.

jd1020
03-15-2013, 12:21 PM
Andy Reids qbs in 2009

McNabb - second overall pick
Kolb - 36th pick
Vick - free agent signing

Look familiar to what we would have if we draft Geno?

Geno at 1
We traded the 34th pick for Alex
Signed Chase Daniels in FA

1 problem. Reid didn't grab McNabb, Kolb, and Vick all in 1 offseason.

keg in kc
03-15-2013, 12:22 PM
You posted this using hindsight.No, I'm not. I said the same thing in 2009. And so did lots of other people.

DaKCMan AP
03-15-2013, 01:06 PM
You posted this using hindsight.

The NFL absolutely thought the guy had upside.

Foresight:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4977829&postcount=7
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5245245&postcount=9
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5451635&postcount=134

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-15-2013, 01:27 PM
Yes... it is VAST media conspiracy to keep the Chiefs from ever having a franchise QB.

At this point, I can see no other excuse.
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Sweet Daddy Hate
03-15-2013, 01:29 PM
If Alex is such a bitch that he can't handle this team drafting for the future.....then he can go some place else.

AMEN.
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patteeu
03-15-2013, 01:34 PM
Do explain

In one case, the top of the draft QB is an over-the-hill shell of his former self and in the other, he's an unproven future-rookie. (McNabb vs GenoS)

In one case, the free agent signing is a seasoned vet with such tantalizing physical attributes he was selected 1.1 when he came out of college and in the other, he's a negligible-experience, career backup whose physical attributes kept him from getting drafted at all. (Vick vs Daniel)

In one case, the guy acquired with a 2nd round pick is a green, rookie and in the other he's a multi-year starter. (Kolb vs AlexS)

Edit: I see keg has already covered this.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 01:38 PM
You posted this using hindsight.

The NFL absolutely thought the guy had upside.


http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5461984&postcount=298
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5435378&postcount=132
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5605029&postcount=160
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5549044&postcount=6
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5655839&postcount=453
http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5617073&postcount=12

Marcellus
03-15-2013, 01:40 PM
You posted this using hindsight.

The NFL absolutely thought the guy had upside.

And the NFL thinks Alex Smith is a huge upgrade right this minute. So you are saying..................

BossChief
03-15-2013, 01:40 PM
No, I'm not. I said the same thing in 2009. And so did lots of other people.

Foresight:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4977829&postcount=7
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5245245&postcount=9
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5451635&postcount=134

I have a lot of posts from back then hating on Cassel, too...but we aren't NFL PEOPLE and that's clearly what I said.

To act as if teams didnt think Cassel had upside in 2009, is beyond silly.

Marcellus
03-15-2013, 01:42 PM
I have a lot of posts from back then hating on Cassel, too...but we aren't NFL PEOPLE and that's clearly what I said.

To act as if teams didnt think Cassel had upside in 2009, is beyond silly.

And the NFL thinks Alex Smith is a huge upgrade right this minute. So you are saying..................
?

BossChief
03-15-2013, 01:46 PM
In one case, the top of the draft QB is an over-the-hill shell of his former self and in the other, he's an unproven future-rookie. (McNabb vs GenoS)

In one case, the free agent signing is a seasoned vet with such tantalizing physical attributes he was selected 1.1 when he came out of college and in the other, he's a negligible-experience, career backup whose physical attributes kept him from getting drafted at all. (Vick vs Daniel)

In one case, the guy acquired with a 2nd round pick is a green, rookie and in the other he's a multi-year starter. (Kolb vs AlexS)

Edit: I see keg has already covered this.

In 2008, McNabb had a damn good year. Almost 4000 yards 23:11...in 2009, he had over 3500 yards and 22:10

He wasnt an over the hill, sell of his former self till he got out side of shouting distance from Reid.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 01:47 PM
?

I'm against the Alex move...what exactly are you asking me?

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 01:49 PM
I have a lot of posts from back then hating on Cassel, too...but we aren't NFL PEOPLE and that's clearly what I said.

To act as if teams didnt think Cassel had upside in 2009, is beyond silly.

Which NFL people? I'm not talking about media types like Peter King and so forth. Which NFL GM's and head coaches (besides those in NE that were hyping him for a draft choice) thought he was worth a $63 million dollar contract? And whoever they may have been, I hope they've since been fired.

FWIW, I just went back nine pages on Google and the only people that praised this trade were, you guessed it, Boston and New England media.

cdcox
03-15-2013, 01:50 PM
CP > draft experts & GMs that were bitching about Geno for the last 3 months

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 01:51 PM
Which NFL people? I'm not talking about media types like Peter King and so forth. Which NFL GM's and head coaches (besides those in NE that were hyping him for a draft choice) thought he was worth a $63 million dollar contract? And whoever they may have been, I hope they've since been fired.

FWIW, I just went back nine pages on Google and the only people that praised this trade were, you guessed it, Boston and New England media.

The Vikings were interested.

And it's not so much about the contract.....it was about the trade.

KC_Lee
03-15-2013, 01:52 PM
The Vikings were interested.

And it's not so much about the contract.....it was about the trade.

Wasn't Denver a player in the Cassel, and I use this term lightly, sweepstakes? McDanniels ticked Cutler off so bad he was traded to Chicago.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 01:52 PM
The Vikings were interested.

And it's not so much about the contract.....it was about the trade.

I kind of remember Zygi Wolf stating some interest but they never followed up.

BTW, he's a moron.

http://www.vikingsgab.com/2009/02/16/wilf-says-vikings-not-interested-in-favre/

BossChief
03-15-2013, 01:54 PM
Which NFL people? I'm not talking about media types like Peter King and so forth. Which NFL GM's and head coaches (besides those in NE that were hyping him for a draft choice) thought he was worth a $63 million dollar contract? And whoever they may have been, I hope they've since been fired.

FWIW, I just went back nine pages on Google and the only people that praised this trade were, you guessed it, Boston and New England media.

I didn't say a word about the contract.

All I said was that the NFL saw upside in Cassel...it's true. TB, Minny, Denver and KC all wanted him.

Pawnmower
03-15-2013, 01:54 PM
?

The NFL thought Cassel had an upside too, and sold that shit


The people that are stoked and say that 17 td and 5 int or 13 td and 5 int is somehow something that we should be jumping for joy over is amazing...

How is 175 yards per game and 1 td going to take this team anywhere?

how is that different from cassel, in all seriousness?

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 01:55 PM
TB, Minny, Denver and KC all wanted him.

Bullshit.

McDaniels and Pioli were the only true suitors of Cassel and can you guess why?

Sweet Daddy Hate
03-15-2013, 01:56 PM
CP > draft experts & GMs that were bitching about Geno for the last 3 months

This X Eleventy to the Billionth Power. And why I trust the CP process over ANY slapdick GM or media hack. Doubters; go fuck yourselves none too gently.
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BossChief
03-15-2013, 01:58 PM
ACCORDING TO DANE MCCLOUD there were only two people in the NFL that thought Cassel had upside.

ROFL

I can post lots and lots of reports than Minnesota and Tampa wanted Cassel...but I don't have to because anyone with a brain can use google.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 01:59 PM
ACCORDING TO DANE MCCLOUD there were only two people in the NFL that thought Cassel had upside.

ROFL

I can post lots and lots of reports than Minnesota and Tampa wanted Cassel...but I don't have to because anyone with a brain can use google.

Then post ONE of each.

SNR
03-15-2013, 02:01 PM
Yep. He must really suck, having played every game of his pro career behind that Brees guy. I mean, if you can't unseat a Super Bowl winning future Hall of Famer who never missed a start, you must really suck, right?

Terrible.

:shake:

Oh shut the fuck up.

He's Graham Harrell right now. Nobody fucking knows what he is. He's a fucking mystery box. That's what we were bidding on. A goddamn mystery box.

If we win the lottery, he's another Drew Brees. If we're moderately lucky, he'll be Matt Flynn. But more than likely, Chase Daniel type QBs wind up being career backups, where they hope and pray that they never get exposed as the Curtis Painter/Tyler Palko types that they really are.

I'm hoping and praying we're lucky this time, because with Alex's injury history, Daniel is probably going to see some playing time this year.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 02:04 PM
Then post ONE of each.

No.

You have PROVEN over the last month or so that you are no longer capable of having regular discussions like we used to.

I could post a hundred reports and all you would say is "that reporter is junk" or "I know bob Sacamano and he said this never happened"

What's the point?

You have your thoughts cemented and it doesn't matter what anyone else presents as evidence.

I'm not gonna waste my time.

Fat Elvis
03-15-2013, 02:06 PM
CP > draft experts & GMs that were bitching about Geno for the last 3 months

Crowdsourcing is the new Moneyball.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 02:07 PM
No.

You have PROVEN over the last month or so that you are no longer capable of having regular discussions like we used to.

I could post a hundred reports and all you would say is "that reporter is junk" or "I know bob Sacamano and he said this never happened"

What's the point?

You have your thoughts cemented and it doesn't matter what anyone else presents as evidence.

I'm not gonna waste my time.

Nice.

So, you throw a bunch of shit out there, and guys like me, Keg and Mr. Awesome refute it with links.

Then you throw even MORE shit out there, say you can back it up, but can't.

LMAO

Just stop.

SNR
03-15-2013, 02:07 PM
I'm not anti-QB at 1.1 in any way, shape or form. There are all kinds of logical, well-thought out reasons why it would make sense to do it. I would do it, had I the power. But it isn't going to happen. Because it isn't a legitimate possibility. Not for this franchise. Allowing any glimmer of hope into your mind is just opening the door for crushing disappointment in a month.

There it is. For a team like the Jets or Eagles or Redskins if they were in our position, QB at #1 would absolutely have to still be considered.

But the Kansas City Chiefs don't work that way. It's not in their DNA for some reason. Don't know if that's a Hunt thing or that they just unluckily happen to hire guys all the time who don't believe in investing at the QB position.

Pawnmower
03-15-2013, 02:08 PM
CP > draft experts & GMs that were bitching about Geno for the last 3 months

CP > draft experts & GMs that now agree with CP, that geno is top 5+

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2013, 02:08 PM
There were five teams as rumored suitors for Cassel in the 2009 offseason.

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 02:09 PM
There it is. For a team like the Jets or Eagles or Redskins if they were in our position, QB at #1 would absolutely have to still be considered.

But the Kansas City Chiefs don't work that way. It's not in their DNA for some reason. Don't know if that's a Hunt thing or that they just unluckily happen to hire guys all the time who don't believe in investing at the QB position.

I brought it up already....but what if the Texans were in our spot? Who would they take? I bet everyone would mock them Geno because Matt Schaub is average and they would be looking for the future. Nope...not the Chiefs though.

Pawnmower
03-15-2013, 02:10 PM
There were five teams as rumored suitors for Cassel in the 2009 offseason.

not only that but after the chiefs announced their deal, there were articles on major publications implying the deal was way too good for the Chiefs , almost like ***** had some sort of scheme or inside advantage

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 02:11 PM
There were five teams as rumored suitors for Cassel in the 2009 offseason.

Right. One of them was by a NE blogger that claimed TB would give up their first in 2010 and a second in 2009. Denver was obviously in, as was KC. Minnesota was talked about but never really showed any interest.

I don't recall the fifth team but other than Denver and KC, there was no real, true interest.

If Tampa Bay offered a first and second rounder, Belichick would have taken that in a heartbeat.

Pawnmower
03-15-2013, 02:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130

How could the Patriots obtain only a second-round draft choice for a solid, young quarterback and a 12-year veteran leader, linebacker Mike Vrabel?

That mystery persisted Saturday after the Patriots announced the trade for the 34th pick in this year's draft, which the Chiefs earned with a franchise-worst 2-14 record.

Cassel, who hadn't started the previous seven seasons with Southern California and the Patriots, led New England to an 11-5 record, but no playoff berth, after Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury in the opener -- on a hit by Kansas City's Bernard Pollard, who said it was an "accident."

Cassel's steady improvement sent his stock soaring as he entered free agency.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 02:12 PM
not only that but after the chiefs announced their deal, there were articles on major publications implying the deal was way too good for the Chiefs , almost like ***** had some sort of scheme or inside advantage

Yeah, that was ESPN.

They often provide brilliant analysis.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 02:12 PM
There were five teams as rumored suitors for Cassel in the 2009 offseason.

No no no no.

There were only two guys that thought Assel had upside.

Josh McDaniels and Scott Pioli.

I read that in this very thread.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 02:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130

Associated Press story, not even an ESPN writer.

For all we know, it was fucking Adam Teicher that wrote that brilliant piece but it was probably Dennis Dillon.

DaneMcCloud
03-15-2013, 02:14 PM
No no no no.

There were only two guys that thought Assel had upside.

Josh McDaniels and Scott *****.

I read that in this very thread.

You do understand what the word "Rumor" means, right?

BossChief
03-15-2013, 02:14 PM
not only that but after the chiefs announced their deal, there were articles on major publications implying the deal was way too good for the Chiefs , almost like ***** had some sort of scheme or inside advantage

That's because only two people thought Cassel has upside in 2009.

Duh

Pawnmower
03-15-2013, 02:15 PM
Yeah, that was ESPN.

They often provide brilliant analysis.

It was AP actually....but youre right.....everyone But Pioli thought cassel was crap and everyone knew it would fail but the Chiefs

BossChief
03-15-2013, 02:16 PM
No.

You have PROVEN over the last month or so that you are no longer capable of having regular discussions like we used to.

I could post a hundred reports and all you would say is "that reporter is junk" or "I know bob Sacamano and he said this never happened"

What's the point?

You have your thoughts cemented and it doesn't matter what anyone else presents as evidence.

I'm not gonna waste my time.
Like I said...

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2013, 02:20 PM
Detroit was team five.

Pawnmower
03-15-2013, 02:20 PM
Dane, seriously what is so different about Alex Smith that you are doing a complete 180 degree flip flop?

You are practically the guy that changed my mind about how important the QB position is.....I mean all I ever did was NOT rush to badmouth cassel...i never said anything good about him, and I got labeled a ball washer etc.....and got lectured about game managing QB....

flash forward to 2013, here is a guy i KNOW from watching 1st hand is exactly a game manager and has a majority of the traits YOU hated about cassel......

Please help me understand what you see in Alex smith that is so different than Cassel....That allows you to on one hand totally hate cassel yet on the other hand actually support Alex Smith...

Please

BossChief
03-15-2013, 02:21 PM
The associated press and ESPN report that "Cassels stock was soaring going into free agency."


But bob sacamano said that never happened.

notorious
03-15-2013, 02:22 PM
NOW are you guys happy we have the #1 during a "horrible" draft year?


LMAO


We would be in a horrible position if they didn't have the rookie pay system, but as it is the #1 will be valuable no matter how shitty the crop is.

BossChief
03-15-2013, 02:25 PM
I have been saying for months that 4-5 qbs would go in the first round and that 2-3 would go in the top ten.

I stand by that.

Geno
Barkley
Glennon
Wilson
Manuel

Maybe even Nassib.

Frazod
03-15-2013, 02:28 PM
Oh shut the fuck up.

He's Graham Harrell right now. Nobody fucking knows what he is. He's a fucking mystery box. That's what we were bidding on. A goddamn mystery box.

If we win the lottery, he's another Drew Brees. If we're moderately lucky, he'll be Matt Flynn. But more than likely, Chase Daniel type QBs wind up being career backups, where they hope and pray that they never get exposed as the Curtis Painter/Tyler Palko types that they really are.

I'm hoping and praying we're lucky this time, because with Alex's injury history, Daniel is probably going to see some playing time this year.

Seems more likely that you're hoping he does suck so you can keep gushing estrogen all over the fucking board about it.

MahiMike
03-15-2013, 02:36 PM
You realize you're trying to equate moves made over 10 years with one offseason, right? Not to mention comparing a 33 year old who'd been drafted at 2 ten years prior with a rookie #1, a 23-year old who'd been drafted at 36 two years prior with a 29-year old trade acquisition, and a 29-year old former #1 pick with years of starts with a 26-year old undrafted player who's attempted 9 passes in his career. I think I might call that reaching a bit.

I was under the impression there'd be no math in this thread...:huh:

SNR
03-15-2013, 02:38 PM
Seems more likely that you're hoping he does suck so you can keep gushing estrogen all over the fucking board about it.

I hope he's Drew Brees and the Chiefs win the goddamn Super Bowl.

I also hope the Chiefs still draft Geno.

And I also hope the chronic pain in my lower back goes away.

Life has a way of crushing our fantasies.

Kiimosabi
03-15-2013, 02:46 PM
We'd all be behind him if Chase Daniel is great and leads us to the Superbowl. But full disclosure I'm a KU fan actively rooting for him to fail.

I'm not rooting for him to fail necessarily because he played for MU. I'd kill my own grandmother to have Aldon Smith on this team.

No what I'm worried about is half the fanbase getting behind him even though he isn't good enough to start in the NFL and saying "He's a GAMER give him a CHANCE!" when all you normally sharp-eyed MU fans would accurately bury him if he went to Grambling State but instead being all fanboy with him because he went to MU so you're blinded.

Because going 8-8 and missing the playoffs led by Chase Daniel being mediocre at best with half the fanbase behind him because he played at MU is possibly the biggest nightmare scenario I can possibly dream up.

Frazod
03-15-2013, 02:57 PM
We'd all be behind him if Chase Daniel is great and leads us to the Superbowl. But full disclosure I'm a KU fan actively rooting for him to fail.

I'm not rooting for him to fail necessarily because he played for MU. I'd kill my own grandmother to have Aldon Smith on this team.

No what I'm worried about is half the fanbase getting behind him even though he isn't good enough to start in the NFL and saying "He's a GAMER give him a CHANCE!" when all you normally sharp-eyed MU fans would accurately bury him if he went to Grambling State but instead being all fanboy with him because he went to MU so you're blinded.

Because going 8-8 and missing the playoffs led by Chase Daniel being mediocre at best with half the fanbase behind him because he played at MU is possibly the biggest nightmare scenario I can possibly dream up.

Fair enough. I understand your hatred. And frankly I really enjoy it. :evil:

But no, if he sucks, I'll want him gone. It would make me sad, but that's life. I can separate Chase the former MU stud from Chase the current Chiefs backup.

I just get sick of people who automatically write the kid off before he's even played a single down.

Chief_For_Life58
03-15-2013, 03:02 PM
Fair enough. I understand your hatred. And frankly I really enjoy it. :evil:

But no, if he sucks, I'll want him gone. It would make me sad, but that's life. I can separate Chase the former MU stud from Chase the current Chiefs backup.

I just get sick of people who automatically write the kid off before he's even played a single down.

hes a damn good nose picker we know that for sure

Pestilence
03-15-2013, 03:04 PM
Fair enough. I understand your hatred. And frankly I really enjoy it. :evil:

But no, if he sucks, I'll want him gone. It would make me sad, but that's life. I can separate Chase the former MU stud from Chase the current Chiefs backup.

I just get sick of people who automatically write the kid off before he's even played a single down.

Dude...I was the same way when we signed Brady Quinn. Just prepare yourself. :D

BossChief
03-15-2013, 03:06 PM
Dude...I was the same way when we signed Brady Quinn. Just prepare yourself. :D

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