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Direckshun
03-16-2013, 12:04 PM
We would be given an insane amount of different fronts we could line up in. We could have heavy fronts, small fronts, dimes, nickels, goal lines... and always be lining up exceptional talent everywhere.

Now for our purposes, I assumed we drafted Ezekiel Ansah out of BYU, who the Chiefs clearly love. And I assume they draft Nico Johnson, a big, Belcher-type out of Alabama in the 3rd or fourth round.

Look how awesome this is.

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Ladies and gentleman, this is why it's a good idea to stack your fucking defense.

theelusiveeightrop
03-16-2013, 12:09 PM
Good work. Good points. Thank you.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 12:10 PM
I like the 4-3 base with Powe on the front line. Powe just needs to play.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 12:11 PM
More Powe and less Poe in the 3-4

Direckshun
03-16-2013, 12:11 PM
For completeness's sake, the players I have on the field in every scenario: Flowers, Smith, Berry, Derrick Johnson, Poe, and Houston.

Easy 6
03-16-2013, 12:21 PM
I like it, all we need is some rush help and this D could wow people.

philfree
03-16-2013, 01:13 PM
If we have Ansah then why are you putting Bailey on the field? Country Strong!

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 01:16 PM
More Powe and less Poe in the 3-4

:facepalm:

Direckshun
03-16-2013, 01:16 PM
If we have Ansah then why are you putting Bailey on the field? Country Strong!

They play different positions and have different skillsets.

Dave Lane
03-16-2013, 01:17 PM
I like it, all we need is some rush help and this D could wow people.

We are going to need to with our lack of QB play.

Old Dog
03-16-2013, 01:19 PM
Ladies and gentleman, this is why it's a good idea to stack your fucking defense.

Well, that and the likelihood that our offense won't score many points with Alice Smith at the helm.


*sorry, had to do it

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 01:25 PM
:facepalm:

You can facepalm if you want. They need to rotate at least and keep them fresh in the game. No need or reason to play Poe for three downs every series. Doesn't matter if he did it in college he doesn't get the power to generate pushing in the pocket. Powe can generate that kind of power but they both need to get playing time with a nice rotation.


The college tape on Poe what good was he playing every down? I didn't see that was effective did you ?

philfree
03-16-2013, 01:32 PM
They play different positions and have different skillsets.

And you're taking Hali out of the game. I think Ansah is stong enough to play in the middle in place of Bailey. That's the thing about Ansah is he's a freak who can play inside and outside.

Direckshun
03-16-2013, 01:34 PM
And you're taking Hali out of the game. I think Ansah is stong enough to play in the middle in place of Bailey. That's the thing about Ansah is he's a freak who can play inside and outside.

You don't put Ansah inside.

Taking Hali out of the game isn't the worst thing in the world. He's not a terribly versatile defender.

It'd be one thing if I'm taking him out for Andy Studebaker, but I'm not. I'm taking him out for fucking Ezekial Ansah.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 01:35 PM
You can facepalm if you want. They need to rotate at least and keep them fresh in the game. No need or reason to play Poe for three downs every series. Doesn't matter if he did it in college he doesn't get the power to generate pushing in the pocket. Powe can generate that kind of power but they both need to get playing time with a nice rotation.


The college tape on Poe what good was he playing every down? I didn't see that was effective did you ?

I'm sorry, that is just plain dumb to say that Jerrel Powe, a sixth rounder who's shown nothing to date, should play before Dontari Poe, who showed pressure, athleticism and most of all endurance.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 01:38 PM
It'd be one thing if I'm taking him out for Andy Studebaker, but I'm not. I'm taking him out for fucking Ezekial Ansah.

Who played in a weak conference and played sporadically before his senior season.

This is just not a good selection for the Chiefs defense.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 01:41 PM
I'm sorry, that is just plain dumb to say that Jerrel Powe, a sixth rounder who's shown nothing to date, should play before Dontari Poe, who showed pressure, athleticism and most of all endurance.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

I didn't mean to say more than Dontari Poe, but they don't need Poe in for every down. Rotate Powe in there and get something out of him even if it's in spurts. We need to generate a push up the middle and collapse the pocket Powe has the power to do that. He is inexperienced and a sixth round I get that. Give him some more playing time and relieve Poe from every down.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 01:46 PM
I didn't mean to say more than Dontari Poe, but they don't need Poe in for every down. Rotate Powe in there and get something out of him even if it's in spurts. We need to generate a push up the middle and collapse the pocket Powe has the power to do that. He is inexperienced and a sixth round I get that. Give him some more playing time and relieve Poe from every down.

Rotate Powe? GTFO

Powe is good for less than a handful of snaps just to give Poe a breather. Otherwise, ride that bench Powe.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Rotate Powe? GTFO

Powe is good for less than a handful of snaps just to give Poe a breather. Otherwise, ride that bench Powe.

Oh bull shit Powe is better than you guys are giving him credit for he just needs to get and make the best of his opportunities. I think he can serve well if this coaching change pushes the right buttons with him.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 01:49 PM
Oh bull shit Powe is better than you guys are giving him credit for he just needs to get and make the best of his opportunities. I think he can serve well if this coaching change pushes the right buttons with him.

Poe > Powe.

No one ****ing cares about your man love for Powe.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 01:52 PM
Oh bull shit Powe is better than you guys are giving him credit for he just needs to get and make the best of his opportunities. I think he can serve well if this coaching change pushes the right buttons with him.

Once again, this time with feeling:

:facepalm:

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 01:54 PM
Poe > Powe.

No one ****ing cares about your man love for Powe.

I didn't say Powe was better than Poe. I said I want to see Powe play more and see less of Poe. I know Poe is and should be the starting NT. It's not dumb at all to give a guy an opportunity with playing time.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 01:56 PM
I didn't say Powe was better than Poe. I said I want to see Powe play more and see less of Poe. I know Poe is and should be the starting NT. It's not dumb at all to give a guy an opportunity with playing time.

No, no, no, no.

We should be seeing as much of Poe as possible, not less. He's a freak and has an amazing amount of endurance and stamina for a man his size.

Wear him the fuck out.

milkman
03-16-2013, 01:56 PM
To me, the reason Powe rarely saw the field under Romeo was that he lacked the discipline to maintain his assignment in Romeo's defense.

The rare times he did see the field, he was consistently trying to shoot gaps, rather than eating space.

He did show a quick burst with his first step, and got some penetratin on a handful of plays.

I think he will turn out to be a nice rotational player in this defense.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 01:58 PM
I didn't say Powe was better than Poe. I said I want to see Powe play more and see less of Poe. I know Poe is and should be the starting NT. It's not dumb at all to give a guy an opportunity with playing time.

I think it's time the Patriots start to think about rotating in Mallett to get him some playing time.

milkman
03-16-2013, 02:00 PM
I think it's time the Patriots start to think about rotating in Mallett to get him some playing time.

That is just a stupid fucking post.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 02:00 PM
To me, the reason Powe rarely saw the field under Romeo was that he lacked the discipline to maintain his assignment in Romeo's defense.

The rare times he did see the field, he was consistently trying to shoot gaps, rather than eating space.

He did show a quick burst with his first step, and got some penetratin on a handful of plays.

I think he will turn out to be a nice rotational player in this defense.

He may and he may not. But you don't pull a beast like Poe just to put Powe on the field for no apparent reason.

NJChiefsFan
03-16-2013, 02:01 PM
Are we talking about Ansah at 1.1? If we take a guy at 1.1 I would like him to play in a majority of the defense snaps, which isn't happening in the scenario you are putting together here.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 02:04 PM
That is just a stupid ****ing post.

So is replacing Poe with Powe just to get Powe playing time.

milkman
03-16-2013, 02:04 PM
He may and he may not. But you don't pull a beast like Poe just to put Powe on the field for no apparent reason.

Every NFL team tries to rotate D-Lineman to keep the starters fresh.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:04 PM
Once again, this time with feeling:

:facepalm:

:shake:

We will see what Powe can do during preseason and then see if my idea would work. If Powe fails fine like you said he is a sixth round big deal. I just think he is better than you guys giving him credit for. YOU can facepalm all you want.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:08 PM
He may and he may not. But you don't pull a beast like Poe just to put Powe on the field for no apparent reason.

Words never used..


Holy shit balls


:facepalm:

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:14 PM
To me, the reason Powe rarely saw the field under Romeo was that he lacked the discipline to maintain his assignment in Romeo's defense.

The rare times he did see the field, he was consistently trying to shoot gaps, rather than eating space.

He did show a quick burst with his first step, and got some penetratin on a handful of plays.

I think he will turn out to be a nice rotational player in this defense.

My gut feeling on it is that Poe was Pioli prize first round pick and Powe was just a 6th rounder so Pioli told Crennel to play Poe all he could. You could and probably right about the discipline part so I'm hoping that the new coaching staff can work well with Powe. I do just want to see him get and take the opportunity when given to him to push hard so he can be successful. If anything push Poe to be worried about his job.

I do think Pioli expected Poe to play every down last year like he did at Memphis.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 02:16 PM
My gut feeling on it is that Poe was ***** prize first round pick and Powe was just a 6th rounder so ***** told Crennel to play Poe all he could. You could and probably right about the discipline part so I'm hoping that the new coaching staff can work well with Powe. I do just want to see him get and take the opportunity when given to him to push hard so he can be successful. If anything push Poe to be worried about his job.

I do think ***** expected Poe to play every down last year like he did at Memphis.

***** probably told Crennel to bench Cassel as well.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 02:18 PM
Every NFL team tries to rotate D-Lineman to keep the starters fresh.

Of course. But "More Powe and less Poe"?

No way, Jose.

DaneMcCloud
03-16-2013, 02:20 PM
Words never used..


Holy shit balls


:facepalm:

So, Dontari Poe isn't a fucking animal? His measurables aren't off the charts?

:shake:

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:22 PM
So, Dontari Poe isn't a ****ing animal? His measurables aren't off the charts?

:shake:

Did he beast last year? Show me something him beasting.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:24 PM
Of course. But "More Powe and less Poe"?

No way, Jose.

You took that as more than Poe and that isn't what I meant. I want to see Powe get more playing time to relieve Poe in a rotation but Poe would still be the starting NT.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 02:28 PM
Is there any 1 area in Powe's game that is better than Poe's that would justify swapping them based on the situation? Nope.

I don't want to see Powe on the field unless Poe is tired or we are loading the line to stop a 3rd and short or goal line run.

KCUnited
03-16-2013, 02:30 PM
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6158/dontaripoe.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/dontaripoe.jpg/)

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:34 PM
Is there any 1 area in Powe's game that is better than Poe's that would justify swapping them based on the situation? Nope.

I don't want to see Powe on the field unless Poe is tired or we are loading the line to stop a 3rd and short or goal line run.

I'm not saying Powe is better than Poe, but they need to use him so that they both can be effective when they are in the game. So that Poe isn't worn out in the late 3rd and fourth quarter.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 02:36 PM
I'm not saying Powe is better than Poe, but they need to use him so that they both can be effective when they are in the game. So that Poe isn't worn out in the late 3rd and fourth quarter.

They need to worry about the offense keeping the ball for longer than 3 snaps before giving 2 shits about Powe.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:44 PM
They need to worry about the offense keeping the ball for longer than 3 snaps before giving 2 shits about Powe.

So now you change it up to the offense? We had the best offense in the league during the Vermeil era but we couldn't stop no one so I would hope they do practice some defense at least.

jd1020
03-16-2013, 02:45 PM
So now you change it up to the offense? We had the best offense in the league during the Vermeil era but we couldn't stop no one so I would hope they do practice some defense at least.

You are talking about giving Poe a breather so he's effective later in the game, you moron. Wtf do you think happens when the offense has the ball?

I'm sure that Vermeil's defense would have been better had he thought of replacing starters with inferior players just because the backups "need" playing time.

KC Tattoo
03-16-2013, 02:55 PM
You are talking about giving Poe a breather so he's effective later in the game, you moron. Wtf do you think happens when the offense has the ball?

I'm sure that Vermeil's defense would have been better had he thought of replacing starters with inferior players just because the backups "need" playing time.

I just fealt you switch subject to offense when we were talking defense. Sure the offense needs to step it up, but what if we have (LOL at me for saying this with Alex Smith at QB) one of those high octain offenses that score quick and the defense is back on the field right away?

The defense is the ones that need get off the field so if Poe is effective doing his job and they force three and outs I wouldn't worry about them rotationg Powe in for him. When they start forcing three and outs then that would be a good thing.

Easy 6
03-16-2013, 03:21 PM
I'm rooting for Powe, he's flashed a few skills... seems like the perfect candidate to backup Poe or take the nose if they decide to get creative and put Poe at end in certain situations.

Not to mention the benefits of having two half men/half mountains in there for goal line and short yardage.

Hopefully he has a place here.

HIChief
03-16-2013, 03:37 PM
Thanks for the schemes. It does look formidable! Forgive my ignorance, but who is our new Defensive Coordinator? What's his MO, what's his history?

Fat Elvis
03-16-2013, 07:10 PM
I would never take Ansah off the field. Don't really need Nico Johnson except as backup.

Ansah is a unique player with unlimited upside; you find a new defense that keeps Ansah, Poe, Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry, Flowers, Smith, and perhaps Robinson on the field for every single play.

RunKC
03-16-2013, 07:19 PM
I like it, but I would rather have Ansah in the game instead of Bailey, like the Nickel formation you have.

Fritz88
03-16-2013, 07:21 PM
I am not big on Ansah, but here's a low five for the effort.

http://i.imgur.com/EbFx247.jpg

Der Flöprer
03-16-2013, 07:23 PM
I'm po.

Bewbies
03-16-2013, 08:24 PM
With Poe, Ansah and Berry you'd have an absolute freak of nature at each level.