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Chocolate Hog
04-22-2013, 10:46 PM
http://nj1015.com/chris-christie-unveils-sweeping-gun-control-plans/


Gov. Chris Christie unveiled gun control and violence prevention measures that are as comprehensive as they are ambitious.


Governor Chris Christie announces a plan to strengthen existing gun laws and background checks, bolster criminal penalties and treat the root causes of mass violence. (Governor’s Office/Tim Larsen)
Christie acknowledges there is no way to prevent all violence in our society, but he says it is the job of government to question, to scrutinize and to demand more in an attempt to address the problem.

The plan calls for expanding New Jersey’s already strict gun control laws, expanding government-funded mental health treatment, making it more difficult for kids buy or rent violent video games, requiring that would-be gun owners show government-issued IDs and bolstering penalties for gun-related crimes.

“It’s hard for me to sit here today and say, ‘If all these things got imposed we’d see an ‘X’ percentage drop in gun violence in this state.’ I don’t know,” said Christie. “Bad people are going to do bad things and so, would greater penalties deter people? You hope they do.”

Expanding New Jersey’s Already Stringent Gun Control Measures:

New Jersey has the second toughest gun laws in the country. The first facet of Christie’s plan seeks to make them even stricter.

This includes banning future purchases of the Barrett .50 Caliber. Christie’s plan would also strengthen the state’s background check requirement by requiring mental health records to be included during the process at the time of a firearm purchase. The plan requires gun buyers to present a valid government photo ID, along with the already-mandatory Firearms Purchaser Identification Card.

Mental Health And Violence:

At the announcement of Christie’s NJ SAFE Taskforce in January in the aftermath of Newtown, he talked about targeting and treating the root causes of violence. Too many times there are instances of unspeakable tragedy and the question is asked how such tragedy could have been prevented. His proposals is this area include;

Making it easier for health professionals and courts to require potentially dangerous people to receive the treatment they need whether it is in the form of inpatient or outpatient care. This will allow the monitoring of their progress and ensure they are receiving the kind of specific care they need.
Creating flexibility in the type of care an individual is receiving, making it easier for someone to move from inpatient to outpatient settings.
Changing the current standard of involuntary outpatient treatment to eliminate the uncertainty expressed by clinicians and courts regarding their authority to order this type of essential assistance.
Limiting Kids’ Access To Violent Video Games:

According to the Governor, too often lost in the debate about controlling gun violence in our society is the almost constant exposure young children and adults have to graphic violence. Part-three of his plan includes;

Requiring that retailers post at the point of sale the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ERSB) ratings. Additionally, requiring retailers to develop, maintain and conspicuously display their policy on selling video games with an M or AO rating.
Requiring Consent of a Legal Guardian. This is not different than the kind of parental supervision expected when a child under the age of 18 goes to see an R rated movie, Christie is requiring that a legal guardian provide consent when a minor purchases or rents a video game that has a rating of “Mature” or “Adult Only.”
Increasing Penalties For Gun-Related Crimes:

In a series of bills Christie seeks to impose or strengthen criminal penalties when it comes to selling firearms to convicted criminals, possessing a firearm with the intent to unlawfully transfer, hiring a “straw purchaser,” unlawfully possessing ammunition and engaging in firearms trafficking, among other areas.

In addition, Governor Christie is seeking to reform bail laws for gun-related crimes by restricting the release on bail for aggravated firearms offenses and increasing bail requirements for aggravated firearms crimes.

Chocolate Hog
04-22-2013, 10:46 PM
ROFL


I can't believe people actually like this dumbass. But but but he yells at members of the media!

notorious
04-22-2013, 10:50 PM
Sigh.

KILLER_CLOWN
04-22-2013, 10:52 PM
ROFL


I can't believe people actually like this dumbass. But but but he yells at members of the media!

I never could stand the asshole, some on the left say why not Chris Christie. Is it not painfully obvious why?

BucEyedPea
04-22-2013, 10:54 PM
LMAO I knew this of course.

I think the R Establishment is going to favor Jeb Bush with Christie as a VP or I want more govt Rubio.

notorious
04-22-2013, 10:57 PM
I had hope for this guy.


Maybe that is why he has a wide profile. He stretches to both extremes.

LiveSteam
04-22-2013, 10:58 PM
The guys a loudmouth. 1 happy meal from the grave to

cosmo20002
04-22-2013, 11:37 PM
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (D) Unveils Sweeping Gun Control Plans



I see what you did there.

RedDread
04-23-2013, 12:02 AM
Welp, kiss your 2016 R presidential bid goodbye.

Pitt Gorilla
04-23-2013, 12:43 AM
I thought Rs loved this guy when he yelled at a teacher, or something like that.

Pitt Gorilla
04-23-2013, 12:43 AM
Welp, kiss your 2016 R presidential bid goodbye.Republicans aren't that petty/single-minded, are they?

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 06:58 AM
I thought Rs loved this guy when he yelled at a teacher, or something like that.

It was because he was making spending cuts and didn't listen to a tax feeding parasite.

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 06:58 AM
Republicans aren't that petty/single-minded, are they?

I think you need to join another party. The Progressive party.

blaise
04-23-2013, 08:02 AM
I thought Rs loved this guy when he yelled at a teacher, or something like that.

So, obviously you love everything Obama's said or done then, or something like that.

Comrade Crapski
04-23-2013, 08:07 AM
Another fat fuck that can't die soon enough.

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 08:08 AM
Listen to Republican Morning Joe saying the careers of those who didn't support Obama's gun control bill should be destroyed. He must be Pitt Gorilla's mentor.

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Comrade Crapski
04-23-2013, 08:09 AM
Fuck him and fuck NJ.

KILLER_CLOWN
04-23-2013, 08:14 AM
Listen to Republican Morning Joe saying the careers of those who didn't support Obama's gun control bill should be destroyed. He must be Pitt Gorilla's mentor.

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90% Where the FUCK do they get these bullshit numbers?

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 08:14 AM
Here's what I think the game plan is for gun control Republicans like Christie, or any gun controller:

Using polls as a popularity barometer, they figure they can get elected...then trounce the Constitution which is supposed to protect the minority from the majority when it comes to a fundamental right. Here, the people will go along with it...out of fear.

Pitt Gorilla
04-23-2013, 08:16 AM
Listen to Republican Morning Joe saying the careers of those who didn't support Obama's gun control bill should be destroyed. He must be Pitt Gorilla's mentor.

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BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 08:17 AM
90% Where the **** do they get these bullshit numbers?

Someone on another board, cited numerous ones and linked them. However, another polls showed people didn't think gun control was a priority but the economy was. Furthermore, the more Obama and his radicals push for more gun control, the more people see what they're really about.

Anyhow, my beef with polls is that the big guns of the media hog the airways and frame the debate or message...then they follow it up with a poll to see if their propaganda is working. They influence the polls results. The longer the debate continues though with alternative views other things can be seen wrong. Then there's the alternative media...which the MSM and officials hate because the gateway keepers are less important.

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 08:18 AM
where have I said anything like that? I assume you can provide a quote vis-a-vis gun control.

It's your general progressive, non-Republican stands. Kinda like Joe.

WhawhaWhat
04-23-2013, 12:36 PM
Here's what I think the game plan is for Politicians in general:

Using polls as a popularity barometer, they figure they can get elected...then trounce the Constitution which is supposed to protect the minority from the majority when it comes to a fundamental right. Here, the people will go along with it...out of fear.

FYP

2bikemike
04-23-2013, 02:48 PM
What would be the point of banning the Barrett .50 Cal? Its not really a weapon of choice for criminals. I would bet they are used in 0% of crimes. They are extremely expensive to purchase and shoot. You sure as hell aren't hiding one under your trench coat.

Proposals like these are what makes the proponets of gun control seem so disingenuous. It will not make the streets any safer.

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 03:21 PM
FYP

I don't see that happening with politicians in general on this issue but mainly the ones on the left.
I can see that with the right, such as listening to Fox on certain issues like war though.

Pitt Gorilla
04-23-2013, 04:34 PM
It's your general progressive, non-Republican stands. Kinda like Joe.I see. By that logic, you must be Glenn Beck or, at the very least, his biggest fan.

BucEyedPea
04-23-2013, 04:35 PM
I see. By that logic, you must be Glenn Beck or, at the very least, his biggest fan.

I don't watch Beck at all. But it's obvious you're a tard.

chiefzilla1501
04-23-2013, 05:10 PM
Wow, you guys are impossible. I don't like the idea of banning any kind of guns, but there are some things this initiative gets right.

He's talking about stricter punishment of existing gun laws including illegal firearm sales. Limiting the amount of violence in video games. And actually trying to test some things out in figuring out the mental health part of the equation. These are all positions the gun control nazis are avoiding, but Christie gets it right, and I believe these are all things the NRA agrees with as well.

I understand that if you ban one gun, that sets up a slippery slope. But people are acting like all that's proposed when in fact this is one of the few proposals I've seen that actually claims that mental health and poor enforcement of existing laws are the root cause, not an average Joe who carries responsibly.

Pitt Gorilla
04-23-2013, 05:18 PM
I don't watch Beck at all. But it's obvious you're a tard.LMAO I love that employing your line of reasoning makes me a "tard".

Fish
04-23-2013, 06:17 PM
Wow, you guys are impossible. I don't like the idea of banning any kind of guns, but there are some things this initiative gets right.

He's talking about stricter punishment of existing gun laws including illegal firearm sales. Limiting the amount of violence in video games. And actually trying to test some things out in figuring out the mental health part of the equation. These are all positions the gun control nazis are avoiding, but Christie gets it right, and I believe these are all things the NRA agrees with as well.

I understand that if you ban one gun, that sets up a slippery slope. But people are acting like all that's proposed when in fact this is one of the few proposals I've seen that actually claims that mental health and poor enforcement of existing laws are the root cause, not an average Joe who carries responsibly.

Not really wild about any politician's social experiment with taxpayer money that involves taking away what's currently legal. Especially when the proposer readily admits he has no clue if it will work or not.

chiefzilla1501
04-23-2013, 08:37 PM
Not really wild about any politician's social experiment with taxpayer money that involves taking away what's currently legal. Especially when the proposer readily admits he has no clue if it will work or not.

The majority of what Christie is proposing is right out of talking points from the NRA.

I don't understand the vantage point that because something hasn't been tried, we shouldn't experiment, especially on the state level. This gets a lot of things right. Again, I don't at all like the part where we take guns away from good gun owners.

notorious
04-23-2013, 08:41 PM
He has some good ideas, and maybe he is throwing in the .50 cal part to please the dumbass anti-gun nuts that don't know anything about guns.


The "Gun Purchaser ID" part makes me want to kick puppies, though.

Cannibal
04-23-2013, 08:44 PM
I see what you did there.

He learned it from Faux News.

ChiefaRoo
04-24-2013, 08:25 PM
Forget being President tubby. Fat, Liberal and stupid is no way to go through life.

chiefzilla1501
04-25-2013, 06:38 AM
He has some good ideas, and maybe he is throwing in the .50 cal part to please the dumbass anti-gun nuts that don't know anything about guns.


The "Gun Purchaser ID" part makes me want to kick puppies, though.

It sounds like that's already part of the law. The only additional requirement is to present a government ID, which is a drivers license.

chiefzilla1501
04-25-2013, 06:45 AM
Forget being President tubby. Fat, Liberal and stupid is no way to go through life.

I don't think most of the people read the article.

The only burden to gun owners is that one gun is banned and they have to show their ID (e.g. Drivers license).

If you're not mentally ill, a kid whose parent doesn't let them but a certain game, or a person who irresponsibly breaks gun laws or enables illegal firearm sales, then you have nothing to worry about.

So what exactly is it that's bothering people about this? Again, Christie is largely following the NRAs lead here.

FishingRod
04-25-2013, 07:59 AM
Everyone is interested in the mental health aspect but I am curious with current hippaa laws how a data base of any real value could be built. If one could figure that out wouldn’t one also want to take a look at people that are supposedly healthy from a mental standpoint but are on prescription drugs which could affect their ability to think rationally.

notorious
04-25-2013, 08:11 AM
I don't think most of the people read the article.

The only burden to gun owners is that one gun is banned and they have to show their ID (e.g. Drivers license).

If you're not mentally ill, a kid whose parent doesn't let them but a certain game, or a person who irresponsibly breaks gun laws or enables illegal firearm sales, then you have nothing to worry about.

So what exactly is it that's bothering people about this? Again, Christie is largely following the NRAs lead here.


You already have to do that.

The "Gun Purchaser ID" makes me want to facepalm so hard that I cave in my forehead.

chiefzilla1501
04-25-2013, 09:25 AM
You already have to do that.

The "Gun Purchaser ID" makes me want to facepalm so hard that I cave in my forehead.

I agree, but again, that is already new jersey law. It isn't part of this new proposal.

Frazod
04-25-2013, 09:52 AM
Gotta love the way this clown is going after Barrett rifles.

Because I'm sure $5,000 sniper rifles are the preferred weapon of Jersey lowlifes when robbing liquor stores. LMAO

Fairplay
04-25-2013, 10:20 AM
I still blame Christie for tipping the election to obama, sucking up to him just days before the election because of hurricane Sandy

ChiefaRoo
04-25-2013, 12:40 PM
I still blame Christie for tipping the election to obama, sucking up to him just days before the election because of hurricane Sandy



Not a shocker I guess but I'm done with him for that as well.