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05-01-2013, 03:09 PM
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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/04/gunfire_and_moments_of_fear_as.html

HALFWAY -- Two masked men wearing hoodies and wielding handguns burst into the Pine Eagle Charter School in this tiny rural community on Friday. Students were at home for an in-service day, so the gunmen headed into a meeting room full of teachers and opened fire.

Someone figured out in a few seconds that the bullets were not drawing blood because they were blanks and the exercise was a drill, designed to test Pine Eagle's preparation for an assault by "active shooters" who were, in reality, members of the school staff. But those few seconds left everybody plenty scared.

Principal Cammie DeCastro said it became clear very quickly just how many of the school's 15 teachers would have survived. The answer: "Not many," she said.

Elementary teacher Morgan Gover, 31, said only two teachers would have lived to tell the tale. She admitted being scared, and also acknowledged she would have been among the casualties, having taken several fake direct hits from the shooters.

"I'll tell you, the whole situation was horrible," she said. "I got a couple in the front and a couple in the back."

The surprised staff had received training from the Union County Sheriff's Office on active shooter scenarios. They had been told they had some options, such as not rushing out of their classrooms when gunfire erupted, and locking and barricading their doors.

They weren't expecting a drill like this, and they were caught by surprise when the two men entered and began firing.

"There was some commotion," DeCastro said.

The goal of the drill was to learn how people would react, so better emergency plans could be made, she said.

It was a wake-up for many of the teachers.

"It was shocking," said elementary teacher Dollie Beck, 54.

Surprisingly, the drill made Beck aware that she would not have recognized the sounds of gunfire. "I would have blown it off as kids' sounds in the hall," she said.

The drill has since prompted her to keep her classroom door locked and to think of windows as escape routes, she said. But the biggest insight for her was the reminder that she is in charge of the youngsters in her classroom, and would have to remain calm in an emergency.

"Emotion begets emotion," she said.

Gover said before the drill, she was comfortable she had a plan to deal with such a situation. What she learned was, her plan wasn't much good. "It heightened my awareness about what's around me," she said.

Halfway, population 288, is the eastern Oregon ranching town that became world-famous 13 years ago as the globe's first "Internet city." The city council changed Halfway's name to Half.com in return for $73,000 from a Philadelphia-based Internet bazaar of the same name that sold books, CDs, movies and the like on-line at half price.

The town got its old name back a year later when the on-line bazaar was sold to eBay. Now Halfway is back in the real world, where people sometimes enter schools and open fire.

DeCastro has heard some criticisms of the drill from townsfolk, but is convinced it was valuable. "For us not to know how we were going to respond is leaving us open," she said.

Beck and Gover agree.

"I'm in charge of a pile of kids," said Gover. "It made me analyze as a teacher what my role is for these babies."

The district's Safety Committee and the School Board now will critically evaluate policies and procedures and decide what to do next, said DeCastro.

Armed teachers is one possible outcome, she said. Or the district may get armed and trained volunteers from the community to watch over the school in shifts, she said. Tougher doors and better locks are other options.

Gover said the teachers tend to favor having one or two armed teachers in the building at all times.

"We are so remote," Gover said, "we are going to have to take care of ourselves."

But thinking about active shooter scenarios is hard, she said.

"We are tender-hearted people who give hugs all day. We don't think like that."

Johnny Vegas
05-01-2013, 03:35 PM
:facepalm: JFC.

Frazod
05-01-2013, 03:49 PM
Just imagine if one gym teacher or janitor or whoever wasn't in on it and actually had a gun. Good way to get yourself shot.

Radar Chief
05-01-2013, 03:59 PM
I guess I don’t get what they thought they would learn from sneaking into the school, bursting into a full meeting room and opening fire.

Brock
05-01-2013, 04:02 PM
Good thing nobody had a heart attack, I guess.

HonestChieffan
05-01-2013, 04:13 PM
Would have been a better training exercise if they had been real bad guys with real bullets? No one should practice or role play as a training exercise. God knows what can be learned.

ChiefaRoo
05-01-2013, 04:15 PM
That's crazy!!/Every gun totin' Texan

Bump
05-01-2013, 05:13 PM
Would have been a better training exercise if they had been real bad guys with real bullets? No one should practice or role play as a training exercise. God knows what can be learned.

ya this is a good start. Now they should try it at walmart. ROFL

Garcia Bronco
05-01-2013, 06:06 PM
I understand why people would consider this a bad idea, however I think it's a good idea. Its certainly not for everybody, though.

HonestChieffan
05-01-2013, 06:31 PM
ya this is a good start. Now they should try it at walmart. ROFL

OK..Walmart. Thats relevant.

Hog Farmer
05-01-2013, 06:58 PM
Blanks should be banned !

Sorter
05-01-2013, 07:19 PM
What in the fuck?

LMAO

KChiefer
05-01-2013, 07:24 PM
Blanks should be banned !

/Brandon Lee

cosmo20002
05-01-2013, 07:30 PM
/Brandon Lee

Too soon.

notorious
05-01-2013, 07:33 PM
Blanks should be banned !

/Brandon Lee

Too soon.

Add another 1000K to my Helldometer, because I laughed my ass off at this.

CoMoChief
05-01-2013, 07:41 PM
Just imagine if one gym teacher or janitor or whoever wasn't in on it and actually had a gun. Good way to get yourself shot.

:shake: no shit man.... jfc

Dayze
05-01-2013, 07:44 PM
Yeah....lets make an entire school of kids scared shitless about guns so they'll grow up to hate guns.

Awesome

notorious
05-01-2013, 07:56 PM
The kids weren't there, but there will be some teachers that need a Shrink and a new pair of underwear.

Dayze
05-01-2013, 07:57 PM
The kids weren't there, but there will be some teachers that need a Shrink and a new pair of underwear.

Ah. Ok.

rockymtnchief
05-01-2013, 08:20 PM
Someone figured out in a few seconds that the bullets were not drawing blood because they were blanks...

So, am I to assume they had firearms pointed at them?

There has to be a better exercise than this. Fire rounds in the halls and storm the room, but don't aim directly at anyone. Blanks can cause hearing damage and burns. You don't actually start a fire to have a fire drill. So I don't think you need to aim a gun at someone to have a gun drill.

That said, I'm not against some sort of armed intruder drill in schools.

Garcia Bronco
05-01-2013, 10:14 PM
So, am I to assume they had firearms pointed at them?

There has to be a better exercise than this. Fire rounds in the halls and storm the room, but don't aim directly at anyone. Blanks can cause hearing damage and burns. You don't actually start a fire to have a fire drill. So I don't think you need to aim a gun at someone to have a gun drill.

That said, I'm not against some sort of armed intruder drill in schools.

I was thinking the same kind of thing.

DaveNull
05-01-2013, 11:04 PM
The district's Safety Committee and the School Board now will critically evaluate policies and procedures and decide what to do next, said DeCastro.


Calling the school district lawyer to let them know that they could get sued for assault might be on the agenda.

That said, in a school this small they might avoid such a thing. Probably shouldn't be high on the list of things to do anywhere else though.

Chiefspants
05-02-2013, 12:57 AM
Who knew that actual people could possess this type of stupidity.

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ForeverChiefs58
05-02-2013, 06:43 AM
Would in be informative if one of those teachers as payback tried to sneak up on the Sheriff, toss some firecrackers his way and say he wanted to see how the sheriff responded? Just a test sheriff geeze!

Tests are fun until someone who doesn't know it's a test kills you.

Radar Chief
05-02-2013, 07:03 AM
Would have been a better training exercise if they had been real bad guys with real bullets? No one should practice or role play as a training exercise. God knows what can be learned.

It could’ve been SEAL Team 6 gathered unarmed in a meeting room and “not many would have survived”.
What was proven with this exorcise?

rockymtnchief
05-02-2013, 07:34 AM
It could’ve been SEAL Team 6 gathered unarmed in a meeting room and “not many would have survived”.
What was proven with this exorcise?

To familiarize them with the sound of gunshots?:shrug:

Like I said, I'm not against some sort of intruder drill, but this seems it wasn't very well thought out.

Fairplay
05-02-2013, 07:35 AM
That said, I'm not against some sort of armed intruder drill in schools.



If its a planned drill yes, unplanned peoples lives could be in serious danger.

Radar Chief
05-02-2013, 07:46 AM
To familiarize them with the sound of gunshots?:shrug:

Like I said, I'm not against some sort of intruder drill, but this seems it wasn't very well thought out.

That’s basically all I could come up with, to demonstrate to the teachers just how chaotic and deadly a shooting scene is. Other than that an ambush scenario like this only teaches you to not get ambushed.

Amnorix
05-02-2013, 08:15 AM
It could’ve been SEAL Team 6 gathered unarmed in a meeting room and “not many would have survived”.
What was proven with this exorcise?

Oh, I dunno, think I coulda learned a few things:

1. don't go to school meetings.

2. if you must attend, attend by telephone. Have your caller ID blocked.

3. if you must attend in person, keep a window wide open. Even in February. Even in northern Maine or Minnesota. Stand near it.

4. Wear a jacket to school meetings that you must attend in person in the winter.

....yeah ok, I got nothin'

mnchiefsguy
05-02-2013, 09:09 AM
So, am I to assume they had firearms pointed at them?

There has to be a better exercise than this. Fire rounds in the halls and storm the room, but don't aim directly at anyone. Blanks can cause hearing damage and burns. You don't actually start a fire to have a fire drill. So I don't think you need to aim a gun at someone to have a gun drill.

That said, I'm not against some sort of armed intruder drill in schools.

So it appears that the incident was a decent idea, but poorly executed. Sounds like a lot of government programs.

HonestChieffan
05-02-2013, 09:11 AM
Tornado drills should be banned. Fire drills too.

Brock
05-02-2013, 09:52 PM
Tornado drills should be banned. Fire drills too.

Those are planned, idiot.

Johnny Vegas
05-03-2013, 02:10 AM
so if its fine to storm a school with a gun full of blanks as a drill for reactions is it also fine to do the same thing on an airplane following the same tactics as the 9/11 hijackers did? you know take it down to 1000 feet at 700 mph and threaten passengers with box cutters to see how the people on the plane react.

AussieChiefsFan
05-03-2013, 02:12 AM
I understand why people would consider this a bad idea, however I think it's a good idea. Its certainly not for everybody, though.Please, explain.