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petegz28
05-03-2013, 02:08 PM
"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum. "I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will."

"But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. It’s the right thing to do," Obama added.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/03/obama_blames_us_for_gun_violence_in_mexico_pushes_for_gun_control.html

Donger
05-03-2013, 02:11 PM
I thought Mexico had pretty strict gun laws, much more strict than ours?

If so, gun crime shouldn't be a huge problem there.

alpha_omega
05-03-2013, 02:11 PM
There are so many things to say here, i am not even sure what to post.

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 02:24 PM
Mexicans need to stop buying guns from Eric Holder dammit

alpha_omega
05-03-2013, 02:26 PM
Mexicans need to stop buying guns from Eric Holder dammit

Yep, that was one of them.

BigChiefTablet
05-03-2013, 02:26 PM
I thought he and Holder gave them the guns. So in that sense, he is right. It is US guns.

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 02:32 PM
I thought he and Holder gave them the guns. So in that sense, he is right. It is US guns.

No. They bought them illegally. But it was approved. Just a silly law that didnt need to be enforced.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 02:35 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=148&pictureid=1352

BigChiefTablet
05-03-2013, 02:37 PM
They forced gun dealers to sell the guns illegally for their hair brained sting operation. Had they actually been enforcing the laws on the books, or even just stayed the hell out of things entirely, those guns would not have been sold illegally.

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 02:39 PM
They forced gun dealers to sell the guns illegally for their hair brained sting operation. Had they actually been enforcing the laws on the books, or even just stayed the hell out of things entirely, those guns would not have been sold illegally.

They may not have been sold at all

alpha_omega
05-03-2013, 02:40 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=148&pictureid=1352

Yep...and that was another one. You are too predictable Direck

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 02:42 PM
Mexico has always been a shithole of crime. What would Obama blame that on?

BigChiefTablet
05-03-2013, 02:43 PM
Mexico has always been a shithole of crime. What would Obama blame that on?

Bush?

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 02:45 PM
Bush?

Clearly.

rockymtnchief
05-03-2013, 02:46 PM
Throwing the US under the bus again. Thanks Obama. Those drug cartels shouldn't be blamed. Blame the guns.


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Comrade Crapski
05-03-2013, 02:47 PM
Mexicans need to stop buying guns from Eric Holder dammit

Actually I think he gave them the guns free of charge.

RaiderH8r
05-03-2013, 02:48 PM
Every Obama speech is the same. You have to wait for him to say "but" to hear what he's really about.

Blah blah blah blah love the Constitution blah blah blah will uphold it because blah blah blah BUT I will do what I can to strip away Constitutional rights.

Everything he says before the but is to lull listeners into agreement then he hits them with his brand of stupid when they are at their weakest. He does it every. fucking. time.

Now that you know you can keep others from becoming addicted to Hopium.

Comrade Crapski
05-03-2013, 02:52 PM
Every Obama speech is the same. You have to wait for him to say "but" to hear what he's really about.

Blah blah blah blah love the Constitution blah blah blah will uphold it because blah blah blah BUT I will do what I can to strip away Constitutional rights.

Everything he says before the but is to lull listeners into agreement then he hits them with his brand of stupid when they are at their weakest. He does it every. ****ing. time.

Now that you know you can keep others from becoming addicted to Hopium.

He actually said "if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be president" LMAO

cosmo20002
05-03-2013, 02:56 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=148&pictureid=1352

For some reason it is funnier when you do that circle around the headline.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 03:05 PM
Yep...and that was another one. You are too predictable Direck

Yeah, I'm the predictable one.

notorious
05-03-2013, 03:11 PM
He technically didn't lie.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 03:14 PM
Yeah, I'm the predictable one.

Indeed you are, but at least you addressed the OP. Sort of.

Bwana
05-03-2013, 03:37 PM
Blowhard Barry is the worst President ever.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 03:43 PM
Indeed you are, but at least you addressed the OP. Sort of.

I don't think I'm any more or less predictable than you.

So I've got that going for me.

cockeyes
05-03-2013, 03:45 PM
They don't make guns in Mexico, they're too busy making cars for GM.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 04:00 PM
I don't think I'm any more or less predictable than you.

So I've got that going for me.

Who am I following around with links to Drudge instead of addressing the content of their post?

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 04:07 PM
Who am I following around with links to Drudge instead of addressing the content of their post?

Oh, that's what makes me predictable? Riding pete for his Drudge dependency?

Well that's not so bad.

Frazod
05-03-2013, 04:09 PM
Actually I think he gave them the guns free of charge.

I thought it was free mags and 500 rounds with each "personal defense" weapon sold. He wasn't just giving them away. Holder's gotta eat, you know.

blaise
05-03-2013, 04:11 PM
Funny how Direck never minded orange's Huff Post dependency.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 04:13 PM
Oh, that's what makes me predictable? Riding pete for his Drudge dependency?

Well that's not so bad.

I hadn’t noticed his RealClearPolitics dependency but you go girl.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 04:15 PM
Funny how Direck never minded orange's Huff Post dependency.

Or his own for that matter.
But whatever, I knew exactly what he had posted before I even opened the topic. Pretty sure I’m not the only one.

Comrade Crapski
05-03-2013, 04:15 PM
Funny how Direck never minded orange's Huff Post dependency.

Drek wishes Pete would stop posting drudge links. But more than that, he wishes drudge would stop posting the truth about Bath house Barry.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 04:18 PM
I hadn’t noticed his RealClearPolitics dependency but you go girl.

Oh, come now. You know better.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 04:20 PM
But whatever, I knew exactly what he had posted before I even opened the topic. Pretty sure I’m not the only one.

It's a pete thread. You're going to get a Drudge-spotlighted OP, then a bunch of conservatives circle jerking, then a couple liberals piping in, pete swearing a lot, and I run in with a frame shot.

The whole thing's predictable. If you're looking for a lack of predictability, read the news.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 04:23 PM
Oh, come now. You know better.

What I know is that you’re now five posts into a topic and have yet to actually address the topic.

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 04:23 PM
It's a pete thread. You're going to get a Drudge-spotlighted OP, then a bunch of conservatives circle jerking, then a couple liberals piping in, pete swearing a lot, and I run in with a frame shot.

The whole thing's predictable. If you're looking for a lack of predictability, read the news.

You need to get back to porn. And Pete needs to discover it. Then you will share an interest. People need to find common ground.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 04:23 PM
What I know is that you’re now five posts into a topic and have yet to address the content of it.

It's safe to say this thread has pivoted into a Radar Chief/Direckshun squaredance.

Truth be told, it's just as good a use of our time.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 04:24 PM
It's a pete thread. You're going to get a Drudge-spotlighted OP, then a bunch of conservatives circle jerking, then a couple liberals piping in, pete swearing a lot, and I run in with a weakassed deflection.

The whole thing's predictable. If you're looking for a lack of predictability, read the news.

Yup.

HonestChieffan
05-03-2013, 04:24 PM
What I know is that you’re now five posts into a topic and have yet to actually address the topic.

The topic is now porn. Wade in.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 04:27 PM
Yup.

Now here I was, thinking that if anybody knew the value of a longterm thematic ribbing, it'd be you.

Unless a conservative's the victim, I suppose? I don't really know, anymore.

Radar Chief
05-03-2013, 04:39 PM
Now here I was, thinking that if anybody knew the value of a longterm thematic ribbing, it'd be you.

Unless a conservative's the victim, I suppose? I don't really know, anymore.

Is that what you think you were doing?
Looked to me like you didn’t want to discuss the OP but couldn’t resist posting in a pete topic.
Is pete "conservative"?

RaiderH8r
05-03-2013, 06:54 PM
So the article is untrue? Is that Direck's beef or just that it was hotlinked on Drudge? Because if it is the latter that is fucking retarded. Argue the merits of the piece and stop making this about Drudge. Drudge becomes an issue if what this article says is demonstrably false. So far, nobody, not even Barry's best apologist, has refuted the premise of the piece.

RedNeckRaider
05-03-2013, 06:59 PM
Now here I was, thinking that if anybody knew the value of a longterm thematic ribbing, it'd be you.

Unless a conservative's the victim, I suppose? I don't really know, anymore.

You know very little~

Fairplay
05-03-2013, 07:17 PM
Mexico has always been a shithole of crime. What would Obama blame that on?



The dumbass apologizes for guns in the U.S.

LMAO

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 10:31 PM
Is that what you think you were doing?
Looked to me like you didn’t want to discuss the OP but couldn’t resist posting in a pete topic.
Is pete "conservative"?

Pete's a talk radio Drudge drone. That's what passes for conservative these days, sadly.

I'd love to hear your ideological terminology for it.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 10:34 PM
Is that Direck's beef or just that it was hotlinked on Drudge?

My beef is more with the nature of pete's existence than it is any one thread.

Because if it is the latter that is ****ing retarded.

Not entirely sure that's true. I'm sure if I was flooding the board with shit from Ed Schultz's bullshit every goddamn day, I'd (justifiably) face ridicule at your hands that I have to have Schultz chew my food for me.

So don't piss your pants when the ridicule is pointed at somebody who happens to share your ideology.

RaiderH8r
05-03-2013, 10:44 PM
My beef is more with the nature of pete's existence than it is any one thread.



Not entirely sure that's true. I'm sure if I was flooding the board with shit from Ed Schultz's bullshit every goddamn day, I'd (justifiably) face ridicule at your hands that I have to have Schultz chew my food for me.

So don't piss your pants when the ridicule is pointed at somebody who happens to share your ideology.

So the fact that the RCP piece is video of the President's speech and quotes accurately and fairly from the speech is of zero concern to you? You would rather focus on the link than anything substantively related to the content, policy or implications? Is your rule that nothing may ever be featured on Drudge be also discussed here because you don't like that Drudge compiles news?

Just change your name to Deflection and get it over with.

RaiderH8r
05-03-2013, 10:49 PM
It is morbidly hilarious that the best evidence to substantiate Obama's statement is the fact that Obama himself authorized the illegal sale of firearms to Mexican drug cartels. Not amusing at all is that one of those guns killed American border patrol agent Brian Terry. Obama lied and Brian Terry died. But he can't let that get in the way of his ****wittery.

Direckshun
05-03-2013, 10:52 PM
You would rather focus on the link than anything substantively related to the content, policy or implications?

I would rather focus on Pete's total dependency on Drudge than on any OP produced by Pete, yes.

Is your rule that nothing may ever be featured on Drudge be also discussed here because you don't like that Drudge compiles news?

That is not my rule, no.

Just change your name to Deflection and get it over with.

Grow some thicker skin, bro. Pete's Drudge-addiction is not worth jumping in front of a bullet for.

cosmo20002
05-03-2013, 11:00 PM
It is morbidly hilarious that the best evidence to substantiate Obama's statement is the fact that Obama himself authorized the illegal sale of firearms to Mexican drug cartels. Not amusing at all is that one of those guns killed American border patrol agent Brian Terry. Obama lied and Brian Terry died. But he can't let that get in the way of his ****wittery.

Link?

RaiderH8r
05-03-2013, 11:04 PM
Obama illegally sells American guns to Mexican drug cartels and then has the temerity to go down there and assert that American guns are causing violence in Mexico like it isn't his fault. Well no shit, he should know. He sold the guns to the Mexican cartels. Beyond the guns Obama put into Mexico does he have any evidence to substantiate his claim? I mean aside from the American guns the American President had sold to Mexican cartels that ultimately claimed the life of an American border patrol agent.

That's some brassy Machiavellian shit there.

Dylan
05-03-2013, 11:04 PM
WikiLeaks: The Global Intelligence Service Files - Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Service Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered "Global Intelligence" company. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency.

The part of this Mexican political narrative pertaining to guns has been adopted by some politicians and government officials in the United States in recent years. It has now become quite common to hear U.S. officials confidently note that 90 percent of the illegal guns in Mexico come from the U.S. However, a close examination of the dynamics of the cartel wars in Mexico -- and of how the oft-echoed 90 percent number was reached -- clearly demonstrate the number is more political rhetoric than fact.

Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Service Files Email

In recent years the cartels, especially their enforcer groups such as Los Zetas, Gente Nueva and La Linea, have been increasingly using military weaponry instead of sporting arms. A close examination of the arms seized from the enforcer groups and their training camps clearly demonstrates this trend toward military ordnance, including many weapons not readily available in the United States. Some of these seizures have included M60 machine guns and hundreds of 40 mm grenades obtained from the military arsenals of countries like Guatemala.

But Guatemala is not the only source of such weapons. Latin America is awash in weapons that were shipped there over the past several decades to supply the various insurgencies and counterinsurgencies in the region. When these military-grade weapons are combined with the rampant corruption in the region, they quickly find their way into the black arms market. The Mexican cartels have supply-chain contacts that help move narcotics to Mexico from South America, and they are able to use this same network to obtain guns from the black market in South and Central America and then smuggle them into Mexico.

There has clearly been a long and well-documented history of arms smuggling across the U.S.-Mexico border, but it is important to recognize that, while the United States is a significant source of certain classes of weapons and ammunition, it is by no means the source of 90 percent of the weapons used by the Mexican cartels, as is commonly asserted.

Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Service Files Email

In addition to the fact that many of the weapons either do not bear serial numbers or have had their serial numbers altered or obliterated, it is
important to understand that the Mexican authorities simply don't bother to submit some classes of weapons to the ATF for tracing. Such weapons include firearms they identify as coming from their own military or police forces or that they can trace back themselves as being sold through the Mexican Defense Department's Arms and Ammunition Marketing Division (UCAM). Likewise, they do not ask ATF to trace military ordnance from third countries like China and South Korean fragmentation grenades commonly used in cartel attacks.

Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Files Emails
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1704294_s-weekly-for-comment-mexico-and-the-90-percent-myth-.html


Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges
http://www.gao.gov/assets/300/291223.pdf


The New York Times: Inside the Global Intelligence Files Attack
Last December, a group of hackers quietly orchestrated an attack on Stratfor Global Intelligence Service, a company based in Austin, Tex., that analyzes geopolitical risk and publishes a newsletter for various clients, among them the Departments of Homeland Security and Defense.

Read here: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/inside-the-stratfor-attack/

Note: the information above is a small sample of Global Intelligence Files emails.

Dylan
05-03-2013, 11:39 PM
Speaking of Mexico, amid the many facts – Obama should be more concerned about smuggled Islamic extremists across U.S.-Mexico border. News stories from the Middle East, Southeast Asia and allowed insurgent groups in Africa is not readily discussed in the U.S. - In addition, the growing Islamic extremists in Mexico.


SOUTHWEST BORDER
A MAJORITY REPORT BY THE UNITED STATES HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT, INVESTIGATIONS, AND MANAGEMENT
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL T. McCAUL, CHAIRMAN
ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
NOVEMBER 2012
WASHINGTON, D.C.


The indictment further substantiates the established relationship between Hezbollah, a proxy for Iran, and Mexican drug cartels, which control secured smuggling routes into the United States. From there the Somalis would make their way to Belize and then Mexico in order to cross illegally into the United States.

When asked by investigators if he had ever helped members of al-Shabaab illegally enter the United States, Tracy answered that members of al-Shabaab had indeed asked for his assistance but that he declined to help them. In spite of this denial, investigators discovered an ominous email message from Tracy where he wrote: “…i helped a lot of Somalis and most are good but there are some who are bad and i leave them to ALLAH…”21

In May of 2012, the Los Angeles Times reported that intelligence gleaned from the 2011 raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound indicated the world’s most wanted terrorist sought to use operatives with valid Mexican passports who could illegally cross into the United States to conduct terror operations.

Somali who smuggled Islamic extremists across U.S.-Mexico border gets 10 years in San Antonio, Texas. Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane, a 25-year-old Somali national, received 10 years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to making false statements in his asylum application.

What’s most troubling about this case is how much potential damage this one fellow has done to American national security, compared to the scant attention he’s gotten in the press (at least outside San Antonio).

http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/11-15-12-Line-in-the-Sand.pdf

There is so much information in the U.S. Government Report that it will make your head spin.

cosmo20002
05-04-2013, 12:48 AM
Obama illegally sells American guns to Mexican drug cartels and then has the temerity to go down there and assert that American guns are causing violence in Mexico like it isn't his fault. Well no shit, he should know. He sold the guns to the Mexican cartels. Beyond the guns Obama put into Mexico does he have any evidence to substantiate his claim? I mean aside from the American guns the American President had sold to Mexican cartels that ultimately claimed the life of an American border patrol agent.

That's some brassy Machiavellian shit there.

Do you have any to support yours?

HMc
05-04-2013, 01:19 AM
The title is just wrong. The article claims that he said that "Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States".

That's so far from "blaming" the violence on US guns that it isn't funny.

Dylan
05-04-2013, 01:31 AM
Daily Mail UK

Obama blames American guns for Mexican deaths: ‘Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States’

By David Martosko

The president omitted mention of Operation Fast and Furious, his Department of Justice’s program that ‘walked’ thousands of guns across the border.

President Obama used a speech at Mexico’s Museo Nacional de Antropología – the National Anthropology Museum – to claim that ‘most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States.’

‘I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms,’ Obama said. ‘And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will.’

‘But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people.’

‘That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States,’ Obama added. ‘It’s the right thing to do.’

The president did not say if he was specifically referring to the illegal trafficking of firearms across the U.S.-Mexico border, but Senate testimony in 2011 from a top Department of Justice official indicates that he may be correct.

Lanny Breuer, then the Assistant Attorney General, referred a Senate Judiciary subcommittee to statistics showing that 94,000 weapons had been recovered from Mexican drug cartels in the previous five years, including 64,000 – a 70 per cent ratio – that could be traced back to the United States.

But there are no statistics widely available to show what percentage of Mexico’s violent crime is tied to the illegal drug trade.

While Mexican citizens have their own constitutional right to bear arms, Mexico City has only a single licensed gun shop and the nation’s military controls it, according to a 2009 National Public Radio broadcast.

In part because they lack legal avenues to purchase the weapons they are entitled to own, Mexicans have turned to a black market – including guns purchased in the U.S. and smuggled to the south.

Changes in the Mexican army, including a slow-down in Central American armed conflicts, have brought record numbers of military desertions, dumping countless guns into the private market. According to some news reports, at least 150,000 desertions were recorded between 2003 and 2009.

Obama also did not mention the more than 2,000 firearms that his Department of Justice ‘walked’ across the Mexican border as part of Operation Fast and Furious, a federal law enforcement project that aimed to track weapons to drug traffickers.

Those guns have been connected to the deaths of at least 300 Mexican citizens. And U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died in December 2010 when a so-called ‘Fast and Furious gun’ was recovered at the scene of his murder during a routine patrol in Arizona.

An ensuing Congressional investigation led to the first-ever citation of a sitting cabinet member – Attorney General Eric Holder – for contempt of Congress. Holder declined to provide most of the more than 140,000 documents subpoenaed by a House committee, although the Department of Justice did selectively turn over thousands of others.

The term gun ‘walking’ referred to the administration-approved practice of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) of instructing legal gun dealers to sell firearms to so-called ‘straw buyers’ who intended to pass them on to others.

Once sold, the guns would be ‘walked’ across the U.S.-Mexico border with the permission of federal authorities. While their intention was to follow more than 2,000 guns to their destinations inside the illicit Mexican drug trade, only a handful – principally the weapons used in murders and then discarded at the scene, as is common in Mexico – were ever recovered.

Some gun rights groups have argued that Operation Fast and Furious was intentionally devised as a way to promote gun control, citing emails between senior ATF officials that discussed whether the Fast and Furious guns in one region ‘were all purchased from the same [dealer] and at one time.’
‘We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales,’ one email read.

In another, one ATF leader wrote to another that Fast and Furious ‘could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case.’


ATF’s intention, ultimately scrapped under political pressure, was to increase reporting requirements on licensed gun dealers when they sell more than one weapon in a single transaction.

A White House spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment about whether President Obama was referring to Fast and Furious weapons in his speech.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319205/In-gun-control-argument-Obama-blames-Americans-Mexican-deaths--Most-guns-used-commit-violence-Mexico-come-United-States.html#ixzz2SHG4IL8m


LMAO Hysterics ensues in major international news agencies. LMAO

mikey23545
05-04-2013, 01:43 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=148&pictureid=1352

So is your user name Direckshun or Defleckshun?

CrazyPhuD
05-04-2013, 02:14 AM
So here's a question....if drugs were legal in the US would they be killing people in Mexico.......:hmmm:

What's really the root cause here? Clearly history has shown that prohibition doesn't cause crime.....

Radar Chief
05-04-2013, 01:19 PM
I would rather focus on Pete's total dependency on Drudge than on any OP produced by Pete, yes.



That is not my rule, no.



Grow some thicker skin, bro. Pete's Drudge-addiction is not worth jumping in front of a bullet for.

RaiderH8r isn't the one being called out for posting a weakassed deflection so I'm not sure how the thickness of his skin matters any. But since you come right out and admit you're only purpose here is to bitch and whine about pete maybe you should try some of that medicine yourself.

Direckshun
05-04-2013, 01:23 PM
RaiderH8r isn't the one being called out for posting a weakassed deflection so I'm not sure how the thickness of his skin matters any. But since you come right out and admit you're only purpose here is to bitch and whine about pete maybe you should try some of that medicine yourself.

Hey, if pete needs his food chewed for him by Drudge, we might as well make that information public.

Radar Chief
05-04-2013, 01:24 PM
Hey, if pete needs his food chewed for him by Drudge, we might as well make that information public.

Then grow thicker skin because you will continue being called out for such weakassed deflections.

KC native
05-04-2013, 01:28 PM
WikiLeaks: The Global Intelligence Service Files - Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth



Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Service Files Email



Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Service Files Email



Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Files Emails
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1704294_s-weekly-for-comment-mexico-and-the-90-percent-myth-.html


Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges
http://www.gao.gov/assets/300/291223.pdf


The New York Times: Inside the Global Intelligence Files Attack
Last December, a group of hackers quietly orchestrated an attack on Stratfor Global Intelligence Service, a company based in Austin, Tex., that analyzes geopolitical risk and publishes a newsletter for various clients, among them the Departments of Homeland Security and Defense.

Read here: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/inside-the-stratfor-attack/

Note: the information above is a small sample of Global Intelligence Files emails.

Stratfor is not very good. Had a coworker in the past that relied on them for global int for investment ideas. Their level of analysis and insight is laughable for the most part. Not everything they do is terrible but they are not even close to being an authoritative source. It's hilarious how many people pay them for their shoddy, subpar work.

KC native
05-04-2013, 01:30 PM
But to ignore the flood of US guns into Mexico is fucking stupid. If I went and bought a couple ARs, I would have no problem selling them to a cartel affiliate for way above market value.

Have the cartels gotten their hands on military grade weapons? Yes. Are they still buying the majority of their guns through US based networks? Yes.

Direckshun
05-04-2013, 01:31 PM
Then grow thicker skin because you will continue being called out for such weakassed deflections.

I have no doubt people will continue to pout that pete's total Drudge-dependency will be exposed.

Not a shit is given, I'm afraid.

Radar Chief
05-04-2013, 01:32 PM
I have no doubt people will continue to pout that pete's total Drudge-dependency will be exposed.

Not a shit is given, I'm afraid.

Regardless how much you need it to be calling you out for bitching and whining about pete isn't "pouting".

Direckshun
05-04-2013, 01:41 PM
Regardless how much you need it to be calling you out for bitching and whining about pete isn't "pouting".

Yeah? What is it, a principled defense of the Drudge Report?

Color me unimpressed.

Bowser
05-04-2013, 01:52 PM
Did any of you twits listen to the vid in the link? Obama was addressing illegal gun trafficking going into Mexico, not how America was responsible for all the gun deaths there. Take a deep breath and unbunch your panties.

petegz28
05-04-2013, 01:52 PM
Yeah? What is it, a principled defense of the Drudge Report?

Color me unimpressed.

Meh, your problem is when I post something from Drudge you ignore the OP and proceed to attack me. People can't help but notice that you make an effort to ignore the actual content of the OP and call you out on it.

In other words, grow up a little.

Direckshun
05-04-2013, 02:47 PM
Meh, your problem is when I post something from Drudge you ignore the OP and proceed to attack me.

Do you admit that close to 100% of your threads are derived from headlines you spotted on Drudge?

petegz28
05-04-2013, 04:25 PM
Do you admit that close to 100% of your threads are derived from headlines you spotted on Drudge?

I admit that most if not all of the major news stories of the day end up on Drudge. Dumbass.

Direckshun
05-04-2013, 06:05 PM
I admit that most if not all of the major news stories of the day end up on Drudge. Dumbass.

We're getting close to the promised land.

...Do you agree that the political stories Drudge ends up linking to are almost entirely pro-GOP and anti-Obama stories?

RaiderH8r
05-04-2013, 06:30 PM
We're getting close to the promised land.

...Do you agree that the political stories Drudge ends up linking to are almost entirely pro-GOP and anti-Obama stories?

Do you agree that you continually use drudge as a tool to derail discussion on topics that expose Obama as a failure as CiC?

mikey23545
05-04-2013, 06:53 PM
Do you agree that you continually use drudge as a tool to derail discussion on topics that expose Obama as a failure as CiC?

Winnah! Winnah!

Chicken Dinnah!

Direckshun
05-04-2013, 06:57 PM
Do you agree that you continually use drudge as a tool to derail discussion on topics that expose Obama as a failure as CiC?

I would disagree.

I beat pete with the Drudge bludgeon ("Drudgeon"?) whenever he copies-and-pastes from there, since his threads almost exclusively do.

Psyko Tek
05-04-2013, 07:11 PM
They forced gun dealers to sell the guns illegally for their hair brained sting operation. Had they actually been enforcing the laws on the books, or even just stayed the hell out of things entirely, those guns would not have been sold illegally.

if they had GPS 'd the maybe it would have been a decent idea

petegz28
05-05-2013, 11:00 AM
I would disagree.

I beat pete with the Drudge bludgeon ("Drudgeon"?) whenever he copies-and-pastes from there, since his threads almost exclusively do.

If only you had half a clue of how many times I link stores I get from say CNBC or other places that happen to also be on Drudge you will would see yourself for at least half the douchebag you really are.

Direckshun
05-05-2013, 01:41 PM
If only you had half a clue of how many times I link stores I get from say CNBC or other places that happen to also be on Drudge you will would see yourself for at least half the douchebag you really are.

I'm sure.