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mikey23545
05-04-2013, 10:30 AM
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PRINCETON, N.C. (WTVD) -- According to law enforcement officials, punishments are not the same for students and school administrators who commit crimes on school property in Johnston County.

One day after a Johnston County high school senior was expelled for having an unloaded gun on campus, ABC11 learned administrators only suspended an assistant principal at the same school for a similar incident last year.

David "Cole" Withrow is a Princeton High School honors student who was arrested Monday and charged with a felony for having a shotgun in his truck in the school parking lot. Sources told ABC11 the Eagle Scout forgot it was still in the truck after skeet shooting over the weekend.

ABC11 has uncovered that two school officials both brought guns onto school property in recent years, but were never charged with felonies like Cole.

An assistant principal at Cole's school was suspended for three days, but never criminally charged. She still works in the same position at the school.

"I think it's wrong, if an assistant principal can bring a loaded handgun and doesn't get punished? No, unacceptable," parent Nancy Terry said.

A teacher at another high school in the school district was cited and resigned.

The students and parents in the community are outraged that Cole has received such harsh punishment for what he said was an accident.

"I don't have any problems with the assistant principal, but it's still not fair. Students and teachers should get treated the same," one student said.

The Johnston County Sheriff's Office told ABC11 that if a school administrator brings a gun to school, they will be charged with a misdemeanor. For a student, the charge is an automatic felony.

The school district would only say that they are following the law.

Now "Free Cole" has exploded in the small town thanks to all the people rallying behind the student.

"Everyone makes a mistake, he tried to do the right thing by it and it's upsetting," student Tyler Pope said.

For now, Cole's future is uncertain. He was admitted to Campbell University and East Carolina University to attend school in fall. He was also awarded a scholarship, but because he is currently charged with a felony it is unclear what will happen.


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Hussein's Brownshirts are slowly exerting their iron control...

jspchief
05-04-2013, 11:08 AM
Another example of the stupidity of zero tolerance policies.

As for the felony, I have to believe the charges will end up reduced or suspended.

mikey23545
05-04-2013, 11:18 AM
Of course, school administrators as members of a teachers union, are above the law for infractions far more serious (bringing loaded weapons to school)...

Students will find themselves being used as an example to the general populace for minor violations...

Baby Lee
05-04-2013, 02:21 PM
Hitting a little closer to home, my little cousin, once removed [is that how it works for direct cousin's kid?] in 2nd grade was defending a kid with Downs in his class [his aunt on his dad's side had Downs and passed away this winter].

Went to the teacher twice about it, who did nothing. Never resorted to violence/brawling, etc.

Anyway come lunch time, he made the grievous mistake of pulling the ol' thumb forefinger fake pistol maneuver. Now he's in counseling and a week of In School Suspension.

Bowser
05-04-2013, 02:24 PM
What a load of shit.

NewChief
05-04-2013, 02:25 PM
Of course, school administrators as members of a teachers union, are above the law for infractions far more serious (bringing loaded weapons to school)...

Students will find themselves being used as an example to the general populace for minor violations...

ROFL

Do you know what % of teachers are in a union these days?

According to: http://www.teachersunionexposed.com/state.php, it's from 0-20% of the teachers in North Carolina.

Besides that, though, this incident is a crock of shit, and I sincerely hope that the "punishment" gets changed.

NewChief
05-04-2013, 02:31 PM
And just to continue with the North Carolina union examination, because I find mikey's comments so typical of the Union "boogey man" that's been created when it comes to education reform:


North Carolina got a weak overall rating (read the state profile here), with relatively low membership and financing for the N.C. Association of Educators and "the most restrictive bargaining laws in the nation."

"It is one of only five states that prohibit collective bargaining in education," the report says. "No union or professional association may collect agency fees from non-members. The state does not allow teacher strikes."

Read more here: http://obsyourschools.blogspot.com/2012/11/nc-teacher-unions-weak-but.html#storylink=cpy

Saul Good
05-04-2013, 02:58 PM
So it should be okay to bring a shotgun to school? Is that the argument?

Pitt Gorilla
05-04-2013, 03:30 PM
And just to continue with the North Carolina union examination, because I find mikey's comments so typical of the Union "boogey man" that's been created when it comes to education reform:So mikey lied again. Are you surprised?

Bowser
05-04-2013, 03:39 PM
So it should be okay to bring a shotgun to school? Is that the argument?

I'm pretty sure you know that's not the argument.

NewChief
05-04-2013, 03:44 PM
So mikey lied again. Are you surprised?

It's just the typical, "something bad happened at a school. It's the Union's fault!" Fabrication. I don't know if it's a lie if the poster actually, foolishly, believes it.

-King-
05-04-2013, 03:44 PM
So... I'm supposed to be mad that someone got punished for bringing a gun to school?

theelusiveeightrop
05-04-2013, 04:56 PM
Who forgets a loaded shotgun in their car?

Saul Good
05-04-2013, 04:59 PM
Who forgets a loaded shotgun in their car?

Irresponsible gun owners, that's who. It was unloaded, but the point stands.

Saul Good
05-04-2013, 05:06 PM
I'm pretty sure you know that's not the argument.

Care to enlighten me, then?

Everyone arguing the pro-gun side (myself included) says that we don't need new gun laws until we enforce the ones we have. Here, when the existing laws are enforced, these same people are bitching about enforcing existing gun laws.

You don't get to bring a fucking shotgun to school if you're a student. PERIOD

I don't give a fuck what the excuse was...and even if I did, "I forgot I left my gun in my car" isn't exactly a strong defense.

He was rightfully expelled. I don't expect him to serve jail time. This is a non-story.

2bikemike
05-04-2013, 05:26 PM
The Kid was offered a Scholarship at another University.

Whatever happens with Johnston County schools, Withrow's future education appears to be taken care of. Liberty University Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. has offered the teen a full scholarship to the university. He's even offered to let him finish his high school work through their online academy.

Falwell happened to be in town and saw Cole's story on the news, and the student's clothes caught his eye.

"I noticed he was wearing a Liberty University t-shirt," said Falwell.

He called the honor student himself, and offered him the scholarship.

"He was ecstatic," said Falwell.

2bikemike
05-04-2013, 05:29 PM
The Ironic thing is the kid was trying to do the right thing by calling his mother to come get the Shotgun when he realized his mistake. A faculty member overhead the conversation with his mother and set the process in motion. Had the kid kept his mouth shut and just let it go maybe no one would have known.

jspchief
05-04-2013, 05:32 PM
So it should be okay to bring a shotgun to school? Is that the argument?

No. But I think expulsion and a felony charge seems excessive in this instance.

FishingRod
05-06-2013, 02:10 PM
When I was in HS we had enough students that only the Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors went to HS and Freshmen went to Jr High. For the Same reason Sophomores could not get a sticker to park on School Grounds so when I was in 10th Grade I parked across the street. Had I forgotten to take a Shotgun out of my vehicle from hunting the day before, assume no crime would have been committed. Sounds like the Kid should have kept his mouth shut and took it out when he got home .

petegz28
05-06-2013, 04:08 PM
So what did this accomplish besides kicking a kid out of school?

carlos3652
05-06-2013, 05:34 PM
Care to enlighten me, then?

Everyone arguing the pro-gun side (myself included) says that we don't need new gun laws until we enforce the ones we have. Here, when the existing laws are enforced, these same people are bitching about enforcing existing gun laws.

You don't get to bring a ****ing shotgun to school if you're a student. PERIOD

I don't give a **** what the excuse was...and even if I did, "I forgot I left my gun in my car" isn't exactly a strong defense.

He was rightfully expelled. I don't expect him to serve jail time. This is a non-story.

Agreed... also - Liberty giving him a scholarship based on this is stupid... kid makes mistake, gets reward... :shake:

Dayze
05-06-2013, 07:32 PM
good. that shotgun might have hopped out of his truck and went on a killing spree.

Brock
05-07-2013, 10:23 AM
The Kid was offered a Scholarship at another University.

Where they dont teach science.

alpha_omega
05-07-2013, 10:26 AM
Maybe a decent kid, but an irresponsible owner. Should have known better.

Amnorix
05-07-2013, 12:56 PM
Expulsion seems a bit much for an unloaded weapon that was inadvertently left in the vehicle. Suspension, yes, but expulsion? That's basically "oh, sorry, kid, but we're going to ruin your life because you forgot".

All that said, the gun rights lunatics seem to scream whenever anyone proposes any new laws, saying that we have plenty of laws on teh books already, and then scream if anyone actually enforces THOSE laws. Apparently all gun laws are bad, whether on the books or proposed, and none should be enforced I guess. Not sure what other conclusion to draw from their constant complaints.

Garcia Bronco
05-10-2013, 06:52 AM
Expulsion seems a bit much for an unloaded weapon that was inadvertently left in the vehicle. Suspension, yes, but expulsion? That's basically "oh, sorry, kid, but we're going to ruin your life because you forgot".

All that said, the gun rights lunatics seem to scream whenever anyone proposes any new laws, saying that we have plenty of laws on teh books already, and then scream if anyone actually enforces THOSE laws. Apparently all gun laws are bad, whether on the books or proposed, and none should be enforced I guess. Not sure what other conclusion to draw from their constant complaints.

There needs to be a common sense approach to this type of thing. Throwing the kid in the gutter like that, and you say it in your first paragraph, is a bit much.

Dr. Gigglepants
05-10-2013, 07:56 AM
I'm definitely in the anti gun control crowd, but don't have much sympathy for him. Maybe its because I was a sophomore when Columbine happened, and because of that, I have a better understanding than a lot of people what "zero tolerance" means. That word didn't exist in our vocabulary pre-Columbine, post-Columbine we heard it every day it seemed. They hammered it into our heads, No Guns Allowed on School Property, at all, ever, in no circumstance. Gun rack in the back of your teuck? Too bad, you're done at the school.

Maybe they don't preach it like they did at that time, but he still did about the dumbest thing he could have done. Unless it was in plain sight, and they snoop in people's cars every day, he should have just kept his mouth shut. If he thought they might see it laying in his back seat, he should have just stood up from class when he realized it, walked the fuck out to his car and went home for the day. Just say he felt real sick and had to go home and have diarrhea all day, don't fucking tell someone what is going on.

I don't think the punishment fits the crime, but zero tolerance means zero tolerance. He should have been the one to exercise common sense and take care of it another way.
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Saul Good
05-10-2013, 08:13 AM
It doesn't really matter if the punishment fits the crime. The punishment was clearly stated in advance. If you bring a gun to school, you can never come back...period.

If you think that punishment is too harsh, don't fucking bring a gun to school.

Dr. Gigglepants
05-10-2013, 08:26 AM
It doesn't really matter if the punishment fits the crime. The punishment was clearly stated in advance. If you bring a gun to school, you can never come back...period.

If you think that punishment is too harsh, don't fucking bring a gun to school.


Agree, I only meant that coming from a personal moral code type of viewpoint. There's pretty much no excuse for doing what he did.

I wonder how hard that issue is hit upon in schools today. I'm sure it still is, but I bet not as hard as it was a decade ago.
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